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Speaker 1: Jeanie Schanzano and Rick Davis are with us. The Biden

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Speaker 1: this is Bloomberg. Did you know it was exactly two

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Speaker 1: they're not going to find anything else. And since then

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Speaker 1: she's authored additional opinions. They've all been solid, and I

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Speaker 1: the past. Do you think the President should make a

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Speaker 1: I believe he will talk about this nomination. As to

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Speaker 1: that works or who decides that. Yeah, I just worry

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Speaker 1: potential for politicizing a Scotus pick like this on what's

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Speaker 1: the you know, the super Bowl of politics. The State

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Speaker 1: I think it's completely appropriate for him to talk about

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Speaker 1: don't think it's politicization. I think it's just part of

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Speaker 1: his official duty. Congressman, why is representation important in this case?

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Speaker 1: President Biden spoke about diversity in background, but also diversity

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Speaker 1: in ideas and experience. What does that mean to you? So,

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Speaker 1: Jerich Brown Jackson will be the only Supreme Court justice

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Speaker 1: if she is affirm who has both circuit court experience

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Speaker 1: and child core experience as a federal district judge. In addition,

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Speaker 1: of insights to Supreme Court opinions and she will be

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Speaker 1: a great addition to the Supreme Court Congress. From Ted lu,

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Speaker 1: we thank you for being with us today on Bloomberg.

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Speaker 1: Thank you. We bring in now Bloomberg Law host June Grosso,

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Speaker 1: who is with us from Bloomberg World headquarters. June, it's

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Speaker 1: great to have you. Last time we talked was just

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Speaker 1: the day or day after Stephen Bryer announced his retirement,

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Speaker 1: and we were already talking about this name. Gatangi. Brown

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Speaker 1: Jackson has been at the top of a very short

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Speaker 1: not surprised. What's going to happen with her in confirmation? Well,

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Speaker 1: I think that she will be Obviously, she will be confirmed.

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Speaker 1: The question is whether or not she'll get some Republican votes.

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Speaker 1: And though she did get three Republican votes when she

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Speaker 1: was up for DC Circuit Court judge, it's a Supreme

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Speaker 1: Court nominations are a totally different thing. And that's why,

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Speaker 1: you know, you see Lindsay Graham's tweets. He voted for her,

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Speaker 1: but now he's has things to say against her or

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Speaker 1: against the idea of having You know, if if Joe

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Speaker 1: been open to criticism that he was bowing to politics

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Speaker 1: which would be, you know, consider all the factors and

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Speaker 1: pick the best candidate. This uh, this judge is a

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Speaker 1: phenomenal candidate. She's a star in every way, and I

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Speaker 1: don't think he could go wrong with this selection. It's

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Speaker 1: not lost on this president either, that she actually clerked

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Speaker 1: for Brier. And here's what Judge Jackson's that about that today.

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Speaker 1: Justice Brier in particular, not only gave me the greatest

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Speaker 1: but he also exemplified every day in every way that

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Speaker 1: and generosity of spirit. Justice Brier, the members of the

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Speaker 1: Senate will decide if I fill your seat, but please

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Speaker 1: know that I could never fill your shoes. It's a

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Speaker 1: pretty good line, I have to admit. When you consider

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Speaker 1: that experience, June, what does it tell you about her

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Speaker 1: as a potential Supreme Court justice. Well, Justice Brier actually

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Speaker 1: I just I've heard that she really clicked with President

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Speaker 1: Biden when he interviewed her, and I think couldn't see

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Speaker 1: some of the other statements that she made. She was

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Speaker 1: it was very inspiring when she talked about Judge Constance

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Speaker 1: Baker Motley, whose civil rights icon and how she wanted

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Speaker 1: to inspire generations to come the way she'd been inspired

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Speaker 1: As we look at her experience June, the time that

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Speaker 1: she spent as a public defender the U S Sentencing Commission,

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Speaker 1: That would be a first, is a first for any

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Speaker 1: SCOTUS justice, assuming that that she is confirmed. When you

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Speaker 1: add that to this very broad resume, private law, appeals

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Speaker 1: court clerkships, the public defender, how do you connect the

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Speaker 1: with this experience to get a sense of what kind

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Speaker 1: of a nominee and what kind of a possible justice

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Speaker 1: she would be. Well, we've seen what kind of a

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Speaker 1: nominee she was when she was basically sailed through her

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Speaker 1: confirmation hearings. I mean, the Republicans had didn't really have

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Speaker 1: a narrative, a coherent narrative against her. They had some

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Speaker 1: wonky questions about sentencing. Uh. They also quizzed her on

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Speaker 1: her representation of a terrorism detainee at Guantanamo, and she

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Speaker 1: was a public defender. So I think she has it all.

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Speaker 1: She has the Ivy League credentials, she has the professional background.

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Speaker 1: She's going to give a voice on that court to

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Speaker 1: people who haven't been heard from before, and that is

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Speaker 1: the indigent defendants that she represented. The less Supreme Court

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Speaker 1: legendary civil rights lawyer Justice Thurgood Marshal, So she brings

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Speaker 1: that to the court. She brings another dimension, she brings

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Speaker 1: a voice as a black woman. I think that all

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Speaker 1: that's going to come out when we listened to her

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Speaker 1: confirmation hearing is because you know, we didn't. Most people

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Speaker 1: didn't hear what she said in the original hearings, and

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Speaker 1: you're really rev up for the confirmation hearings with the

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Speaker 1: Supreme Court. So it'll be interesting to see whether the

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Speaker 1: Republicans have anything to sort of lay a glove on her. Well,

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Speaker 1: so let's just finish it there. I want to get

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Speaker 1: your reaction June to this statement from Lindsey Graham. He

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Speaker 1: the President's to Day. He wrote, it means the radical

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Speaker 1: left has one President Biden over yet again. But he

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Speaker 1: also said the Harvard Yale train of the Supreme Court

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Speaker 1: continues to run unabated. That would suggest that Katangi Brown

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Speaker 1: Jackson is some sort of elitist from Cambridge, but you

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Speaker 1: know she's not. She's not. And everybody who goes to Harvard.

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Speaker 1: I went to Harvard. Everybody who goes to Harvard Law

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Speaker 1: is not an elitist. Yes, I'm part of the problem,

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Speaker 1: but you know, there has been some movement to steer

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Speaker 1: here away from just Ivy League credentials and justice. Amy

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Speaker 1: Coney Barrett went to Notre Dame law schools. These are

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Speaker 1: wonderful law schools, but it just seems that, you know,

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Speaker 1: Ivy League credentials. But also she's gotten attention in her

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Speaker 1: life for the many things she's done. She's been a

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Speaker 1: really a stellar judge. I think as a district court judgment,

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Speaker 1: great opinions, and I think that they're going to have

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Speaker 1: a hard time. Even with the Don McGann opinion, which

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Speaker 1: But even that opinion, which said that McGann had to

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Speaker 1: It left options as to he has to come and

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Speaker 1: certain circumstances. So he could raise certain issue is there

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Speaker 1: so even that was limited. So I think they're gonna

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Speaker 1: have a hard time attacking her on her opinions. And

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Speaker 1: you know, her background is is stellar. Now, of course,

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Speaker 1: something can always come out of the woodwork. I mean,

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Speaker 1: look what happened with I don't think I don't anticipate this.

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Speaker 1: I don't even want to say it, but you know,

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Speaker 1: things do come out of the woodwork the last minute,

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Speaker 1: but it seems unlikely that it will in this instance.

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Speaker 1: And I think she's going to have some really what

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Speaker 1: we'll see us boring confirmation hearings because there won't be

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Speaker 1: that much controversy. So you and I will be saying

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Speaker 1: that wasn't so exciting today. We'll bring it on. We

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Speaker 1: could use some boring in Washington right about now. June,

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Speaker 1: you should know if you listen to this broadcast that

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Speaker 1: we have one of the smartest legal analysts on the

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Speaker 1: radio anywhere with June Grosso. You can listen to Bloomberg

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Speaker 1: Law Nightly at ten pm Eastern time. June great always,

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Speaker 1: thank you so much. Thanks for the analysis headline on

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Speaker 1: the terminal Democrats plotting quick path to Jackson's conference, Nation

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Speaker 1: to court, but will it be quick? Let's bring him

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Speaker 1: in the panel. Bloomberg Politics contributors Genie Chanzano and Rick Davis,

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Speaker 1: what's your take on this? Genie? Is this already done

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Speaker 1: because Democrats can feasibly do this on their own, assuming

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Speaker 1: Joe Mansions in a good mood? Or is this gonna

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Speaker 1: be a bruiser in which the White House needs to

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Speaker 1: peel off a couple of Republicans here to make it work.

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Speaker 1: You know, I think she gets through. You know, I

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Speaker 1: would just say she is an exceptional Canada As June

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Speaker 1: and you were just talking about. I listened to her

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Speaker 1: introduction by President Biden and her remarks, and I have

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Speaker 1: to say it made me a bit emotional. She's not

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Speaker 1: just the first black woman. This will be the first

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Speaker 1: time we have four women on the U. S. Supreme

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Speaker 1: Court in history. And she is an exceptional candidate, and

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Speaker 1: she brings so much diversity, not just race, in so

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Speaker 1: many ways. I am not sure how or why the

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Speaker 1: Republicans would try to stall this. I don't see Joe

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Speaker 1: Mansion putting up any resistance at this point, and I

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Speaker 1: do think she brings, you know, at least a couple

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Speaker 1: of you know, Republicans along, whether it's Murkowski or Collins

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Speaker 1: or otherwise. And the bottom line is politically, she will

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Speaker 1: not change the makeup of the court. But again, an

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Speaker 1: extraordinary judge and an extraordinary candidate for this position. I mean,

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Speaker 1: you couldn't find anybody with more stellar credentials. It would

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Speaker 1: certainly be historic. Rick. Will it be bipartisan? You know

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Speaker 1: it is historic and uh and I think it has

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Speaker 1: know for instance, that three three Republicans supported her for

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Speaker 1: the d C Circuit. We we know one Lindsay Graham's

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Speaker 1: already out there sort of campaigning against it. But look,

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Speaker 1: I think it's irrelevant. Um, We're gonna get past this moment.

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Speaker 1: She's going to get confirmed. Uh and and and and

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Speaker 1: and we will have our very first um uh Supreme

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Speaker 1: Court uh justice who's a woman of color. And I

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Speaker 1: think a woman a black woman, And that is something

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Speaker 1: that everybody should feel some send of progress and pride

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Speaker 1: in our country's efforts to try and create more of

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Speaker 1: a color blind society. Is Lindsey Graham just having fun

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Speaker 1: on Twitter here? Or is the upset that it wasn't.

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Speaker 1: Michelle Child, how do you change your tu him like that.

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Speaker 1: You know, look, I mean he wanted Michelle Child's. He

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Speaker 1: made that perfectly clear to everybody. But uh, you know,

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Speaker 1: Supreme Court justices are always a political punching bag, and

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Speaker 1: I think it's certainly at home good politics for him

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Speaker 1: to say, hey, look, it wasn't my pick, it wasn't

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Speaker 1: our home stater, and so I'm going to take a shot.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure people in South Carolina are disappointed. Uh, some

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Speaker 1: Republicans and Democrats, right, And so I think he's just

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Speaker 1: playing in at the moment, and that moment has already passed.

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Speaker 1: The fact that we're even giving him this much attention

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Speaker 1: is probably not worth the effort. Mitch McConnell spoke about

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Speaker 1: it today. Jeannie said that Contagi Brown Jackson is quote

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Speaker 1: the favored choice of far left dark money groups unquote.

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Speaker 1: What the heck does that mean? I think it means

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Speaker 1: the Senate after the election in the fall, and he

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Speaker 1: is trying to do everything he can to get there.

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Speaker 1: You know, But I I have to say that Michelle Child,

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Speaker 1: she is an impressive woman as well. She will have

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Speaker 1: her shot at being nominated the Supreme Court and nomination

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Speaker 1: from the district court is extremely unusual. Even in this case.

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Speaker 1: Catanji Brown Jackson is just fifty one. She'll be the

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Speaker 1: second youngest on the court. If she served as long

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Speaker 1: as Brier, she could be there for three decades. So

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Speaker 1: we are talking about an enormous impact she could have

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Speaker 1: in the court. And again Michelle Child's Lindsay Grant, Lindsay

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Speaker 1: Graham's favorite pick there, she could have her shot as well.

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Speaker 1: To turn on what happens does does the senator from

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Speaker 1: New Mexico need to be back Gene to make this happen.

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Speaker 1: We understand that uh Senator Luhan will be back in time.

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Speaker 1: You know, it would be very good if he was

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Speaker 1: back in time. I have to say, God forbid. When

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Speaker 1: you're at fifty fifty, you know, one person being ill,

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Speaker 1: being out with COVID, it can really disrupt this thing.

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Speaker 1: So you know, and obviously we want him to be

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Speaker 1: back and healthy in Washington as well. Rick, you spent

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Speaker 1: enough time in the Senate to know how these things go,

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Speaker 1: the introductions that will follow when they go into the

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Speaker 1: lawmakers off as they sit down with the senator knowing

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Speaker 1: that this senator does not like them, does it change anything?

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Speaker 1: Does the interview process change any minds? Uh? The interview

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Speaker 1: process sometimes does have an impact because there are senators

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Speaker 1: who are open minded and kind of want to test

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Speaker 1: the waters. This isn't a process that's just rigged from

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Speaker 1: the start. And I think that she will have an opportunity,

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Speaker 1: what like what she did with the President, to show

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Speaker 1: her medal and and connect with some of these folks,

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Speaker 1: and that is likely where she might pile up a

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Speaker 1: couple of three or four potential Republican votes. Uh. I

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Speaker 1: do think all this stuff about Harvard, though, is a

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Speaker 1: little overbaked because uh, I used to use it all

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Speaker 1: the time in campaigns in the nineties, seventies and eighties.

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Speaker 1: I mean Ted Kennedy and Harvard liberals, but like you know,

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Speaker 1: meant Romney, Ted Cruz, creep O, Tom Cotton. They were

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Speaker 1: all Harvard law graduates. What are they going to say

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Speaker 1: about this? I guess it never gonna be on the court?

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Speaker 1: Uh Rick and Genie with us the Friday edition of

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Speaker 1: Sound On. Uh We've got two rings already in the circus.

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Speaker 1: We had the third today. It has been busy with

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Speaker 1: some really big and important stories and that's why we

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Speaker 1: have this program here. The third is from the c

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Speaker 1: d C loosening guidelines from mask wearing, as O Macron recedes,

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Speaker 1: they're dialing back is the language we're using on the

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Speaker 1: Bloomberg dialing back the threshold for COVID masking recommendations. We

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Speaker 1: heard about it today from the c d C s

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Speaker 1: for Schelle Wilenski. None of us now what what the

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Speaker 1: future may hold for us and for this virus, and

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Speaker 1: we need to be prepared and we need to be

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Speaker 1: ready for whatever comes next. We want to give people

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Speaker 1: a break from things like mask wearing when our levels

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Speaker 1: are low, and then have the ability to reach for

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Speaker 1: them again should things get worse than the future. Okay,

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Speaker 1: so the federal government's catching up with the states, Genie,

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Speaker 1: but still reserving the right to bring back the mask.

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Speaker 1: Man boy, how do you put it back the bottle?

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Speaker 1: Very difficult to do. I don't want to put him

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Speaker 1: back on again. And I think this is really welcome

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Speaker 1: timing for the Biden and administration. As Joe Biden goes

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Speaker 1: into a State of the Union on Tuesday, all poles

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Speaker 1: showing that the American public is sick and tired of this.

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Speaker 1: He wants to be able to say we are on

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Speaker 1: the down turn on this. You could take off your

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Speaker 1: masks indoors and we could start to live normal lives again,

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Speaker 1: or semi normal lives again. What do you think about

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Speaker 1: this particular presentation, Rick, don't you want to just be

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Speaker 1: able to tell everybody that it's done? Yes? Uh? And

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Speaker 1: in fact most of the country has already decided that. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And I just hope, like maybe present Biden will use

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Speaker 1: this as an opportunity to like um fit in a

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Speaker 1: little bit. I mean, no question he's shown leadership, but

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Speaker 1: like if he walks into that that House chamber for

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Speaker 1: the State of the Union wearing the mask, I'll be disappointed.

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Speaker 1: You know, I can't remember who I asked about that.

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Speaker 1: Do you think he's going to do that? Genie? Does

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Speaker 1: he have the mask on all the way to the

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Speaker 1: rostrum or does he show up smile and Joe and

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Speaker 1: give everybody a big hug with no mask. I want

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Speaker 1: him to show up as smile and Joe. I do

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Speaker 1: remember you asking that. And I have to say today

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Speaker 1: when they made the announcement about the Supreme Court, they

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Speaker 1: were all wearing masks. So it's a bit depressing and

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Speaker 1: hopefully they can go in safely without mask, with this

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Speaker 1: big smile on his face and shake everybody's hand like

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Speaker 1: we used to. Well, of course the DC mandate again

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Speaker 1: will be down by then, so he would have a

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Speaker 1: reason to show up without a mask. Would be kind

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Speaker 1: of funny if they made everybody in the chamber wear

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Speaker 1: a mask so the President didn't have to just have

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Speaker 1: all all have to wear a mask. All right, By

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Speaker 1: the way, join me, Rick and Genie Tuesday night, eight

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Speaker 1: thirty Bloomberg TV and Radio special coverage of the Super

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Speaker 1: Bowl of Politics, the State of the Union. Thanks for

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Speaker 1: spending another sound on with us, the fastest hour in politics.

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Speaker 1: I'll meet you back here Monday on Balance of Power,

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Speaker 1: and we'll do this again too. I'm Joe, Matthew and Washington.

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