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Speaker 2: So, as you guys know, the left wing of the

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Speaker 2: Democratic Party notch a few more victories, big ones in

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Speaker 2: Colorado this week, including with Malat Kiros, political newcomer. She

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Speaker 2: was inspired to run after she got fired from her

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Speaker 2: job as a lawyer for speaking out with regards to Palestine.

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Speaker 2: She unseated a thirty year incumbent in Diana to get

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Speaker 2: truly astonishing someone who's been in Congress longer than malat

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Speaker 2: Kiros has been alive. Let's take a look at a

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Speaker 2: little bit of her victory speech.

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Speaker 3: We are winning from post to post, from every level

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Speaker 3: of office. We are taking back our party in our country.

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Speaker 2: So who are the people behind these victories? Who are

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Speaker 2: the voters that are making these big wins for the

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Speaker 2: left hap and joining us now is Michael Lang. He

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Speaker 2: is the author of the Narrative War's sub stack, and

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Speaker 2: he digs deep into these coalitions, especially in New York

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Speaker 2: City where the character of the coalitions has really been

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Speaker 2: disputed and become a sort of a narrative War is

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Speaker 2: a perfect title for what is going on with regard

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Speaker 2: to is actually voting for these candidates.

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Speaker 4: Michael, great to see you.

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Speaker 5: Oh it's such a pleasure to be here.

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Speaker 4: Thanks, Yeah, of course, of course.

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Speaker 2: So I feel that the critique of the DSA has

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Speaker 2: become a bit confused. Some feel that it is too

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Speaker 2: white in college just college educated white gentrifiers. Some like

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Speaker 2: Stephen Miller Jesse Waters feel that it is too many

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Speaker 2: third worldist, as they put it, too many black and

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Speaker 2: brown people, and we let into many immigrants, and that's

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Speaker 2: what's going on here. You actually dug into the numbers

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Speaker 2: so that we can deal with facts in realities. Put

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Speaker 2: C three up on the screen. This was your headline

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Speaker 2: when narratives meet facts about specifically the victories of Claire

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Speaker 2: Valdez and Daria Liza.

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Speaker 4: Chevalier in New York City.

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Speaker 2: What did you find about these particular winning coalitions for

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Speaker 2: two DSA candidates.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, I think there's plenty of variables that

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Speaker 6: go into one support for socialism or progressive values, things

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Speaker 6: like that. But when you kind of strip everything away,

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Speaker 6: it's not necessarily race, it's not even college education, it's

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Speaker 6: not even sometimes renters versus homeowners. It's just a kind

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Speaker 6: of a proxy war for age. And this was kind

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Speaker 6: of the story of the Mamdani coalition in New York

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Speaker 6: City last year. You know, there was a lot that

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Speaker 6: was made of his kind of lack of support voters

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Speaker 6: in the Democratic primary last year, but that was just

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Speaker 6: a function of kind of the age of that electorate.

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Speaker 6: He did very well with white, Hispanic and South Asian voters,

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Speaker 6: but those Democrats were much younger. And you see even

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Speaker 6: winning white voters or white voters under fifty, they're winning

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Speaker 6: win an election in claireval Does's case by twenty points,

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Speaker 6: you know, in that North Brooklyn Western Queens Commy corridor

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Speaker 6: an other district in America, you can't really build the

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Speaker 6: winning coalitions as they did if you're just again relying

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Speaker 6: on like a very thin slice of you know, college educated,

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Speaker 7: So yeah, part of your analysis was super interesting is

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Speaker 7: all that even with Estelote, it was pretty close with

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean that was another kind of shocking piece

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Speaker 6: in those communities he did did do quite well. You know,

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Speaker 6: I think that's where he really struggled, because you know,

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Speaker 5: That was a place where dar Eliza was able to

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Speaker 6: But then again, you know Washington Heights, in the Bronx

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Speaker 6: points to this age polarization that we've discussed so much.

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Speaker 2: You have a quote in your Pecca Claire Valdez won

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Speaker 2: every age bracket and racial group. She won the young

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Speaker 2: under fifty by landslide, and the old fifty plus by

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Speaker 2: comfortable margin. So even as you find that the most

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Speaker 2: dramatic divides are around age, and sure enough, if you

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Speaker 2: But it seems that they're even making inroads with older voters,

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Speaker 2: with voters that in previous cycles would have been very

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Speaker 5: Candidate, of course.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, I think that's kind of a testament

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Speaker 6: York City, you know. And again, you know, this is

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Speaker 6: ideology I think matters a lot. But also the voters

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Speaker 6: kind of relationships to the candidates, the institutions they represent,

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Speaker 6: and just kind of DSA and Mamdani now becoming these

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Speaker 6: widely viewed in the New York so sit he widely

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Speaker 5: That does create a greater familiarity with older voters.

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Speaker 6: And again also this, you know, when you're the Claire

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Speaker 6: they've been there for longer, they're the ones more rooted

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Speaker 6: again this is but you know, three hundred thousand doors

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Speaker 6: But it was kind of the culmination that I would say,

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Speaker 7: Yeah, that makes sense. Well, let's go into the racial

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Speaker 7: dynamics because they're getting a lot of attention from places

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Speaker 7: like Fox News. So we'll roll here C two. Here's

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Speaker 7: a rabbi complaining about the whiteness of the crowd at

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Speaker 7: the Melakkiros victory celebration. This is a vo, folks, we

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Speaker 7: can play C two so you can see what Rabbi

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Speaker 7: Pupko is responding to. And then let's actually go ahead

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Speaker 7: and flip to see one. This is a sot. This

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Speaker 7: is Malakios talking about the victory after winning, so you

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Speaker 7: can compare videos.

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Speaker 3: We are winning from coast to coast, from every level

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Speaker 3: of office. We are taking back our party in our contry.

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Speaker 7: Lots of enthusiasm in that video, so tell us. I mean,

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Speaker 7: here's also Jesse Waters. Let's roll Jesse Waters here. See four.

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Speaker 7: Jesse Waters is complaining. These two things are existing at

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Speaker 7: the same time and they don't totally make sense. So

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Speaker 7: jesse Water is complaining about the racial.

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Speaker 8: Composition crazy communists to right wing tough guys.

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Speaker 4: Is that how America is.

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Speaker 8: Supposed to be? Because that's the way it looks. These

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Speaker 8: people don't believe in borders, capitalism, our founding fathers. They're

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Speaker 8: here to steal, punish us, and then throw around welfare.

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Speaker 8: This is a Third World takeover. This is what happens

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Speaker 8: when you import the Third World. Did you know that

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Speaker 8: New York City is seventy percent non white, forty percent

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Speaker 7: They don't even speak English, not even their first language.

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Speaker 8: These three women who Mandani endorsed weren't even born in

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Speaker 8: New York City, weren't raised in New York City. They're

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Speaker 8: carpet baggers, carpet baggers, Jessica.

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Speaker 4: And everyone's talking about like.

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Speaker 8: Oh Mandami, Oh you got all this juice? Like he's

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Speaker 8: this like harmless novice politician on a hot streak.

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Speaker 4: This guy is trouble.

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Speaker 8: This guy is a trojan horse, and communism is going

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Speaker 8: to take over the Democratic Party and then we're going

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Speaker 8: to have to beat it because you can't can't do

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Speaker 7: So, Michael, what we see there is the right not

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Speaker 7: knowing whether they should say DSA voters are too white

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Speaker 7: actual composition of the DSA coalition looks like from you know,

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, I think you've seen in kind of

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Speaker 5: It's very millennial heavy.

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Speaker 6: But it's also you know again heavily indexed towards renters.

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Speaker 6: And again you're seeing also, as you know, kind of

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Speaker 6: As those are fraying, you see organizations like dsa kind

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Speaker 2: I think it's very unique that Zoron was able to

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Speaker 2: Michael, thank you so much for breaking down your analysis.

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Speaker 2: Everybody should go subscribe to the substack. It is called

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Speaker 2: Narrative Wars, and the level of detailed analysis that you

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Speaker 4: Really blog is really invaluable. Yeah, I agree to see

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Speaker 2: It's really helped my understanding of what the dynamics there

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Speaker 5: That means a lot. Thank you, Thank you for having me.

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Speaker 7: Yesterday, both Marjorie Taylor Green and Tucker Carlson floated the

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Speaker 9: But is there a chance that Tucker maybe was supported

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Speaker 9: of people like you, Well, could you see him making

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Speaker 10: You know, I haven't had that direct conversation with Tucker.

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Speaker 10: There is a group of us that have literally fought

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Speaker 10: So the reality is this isn't something that gets off

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Speaker 2: I mean, if you play this out and think about, Okay,

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Speaker 2: it doesn't really work out because you're assuming all of

437
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Speaker 2: those voters would show up and would vote for the

438
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Speaker 2: Democrats if they didn't work vote for the Greens.

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Speaker 4: I don't think that really, you.

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Speaker 2: Know, I don't think that math totally mass. I also

441
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Speaker 2: don't think that blaming voters for deciding that they prefer

442
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Speaker 2: this other alternative is really the way to go either.

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Speaker 2: But in any case, you could see the Green Party

444
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Speaker 2: has had very limited impact on American politics trying to

445
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Speaker 2: pursue the third party path and DSA and before the

446
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Speaker 2: Working Families Party, and you know, even if you look

447
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Speaker 2: on the Republican side, the Tea Party or Trump taking

448
00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:40,840
Speaker 2: over the Republican Party, you can look further back at

449
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Speaker 2: the DLC taking over the Democratic Party in the nineties,

450
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Speaker 2: which not a direction I would wanted them to go in,

451
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Speaker 2: would want them to go in, But in any case,

452
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Speaker 2: it was a successful sort of take over the party.

453
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Speaker 2: That is the much more likely path of success if

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Speaker 2: you want to change the political system. So without these

455
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Speaker 2: more fundamentals, which I support, by the way, we should

456
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Speaker 2: have ranked choice voting. We should make it so that

457
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Speaker 2: there could be a broader array of political parties and

458
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Speaker 2: views represented in our politics versus just Democrat and Republican.

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Speaker 2: You have to start there. If you're starting just with

460
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Speaker 2: the we're going to have the third party, it's going

461
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Speaker 2: to work out.

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Speaker 4: It's not. And I think to your point about why.

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Speaker 2: That is, somebody's part of it, But I think it's

464
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Speaker 2: more there's just such hardened partisan loyalties that if you

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Speaker 2: if you put an R by your name or you

466
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Speaker 2: put a D by your name, you're like guaranteed the

467
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Speaker 2: certain chunk and then you're just you're building from there,

468
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Speaker 2: Whereas if you come up, if you create something new,

469
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Speaker 2: you really are starting from vote number one, and you're

470
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Speaker 2: at a tremendous, tremendous disadvantage.

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Speaker 4: So I think it's.

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Speaker 2: Better to look at these established parties as the hollow

473
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Speaker 2: husks that they really are, and especially on the Democratic

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Speaker 2: Party side, I mean truly just a hollow husk. In fact,

475
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Speaker 2: if you get endorsed by the establishment figures in the

476
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Speaker 2: Democratic Party, it's a bit of a box.

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Speaker 4: On you in a drag in an election.

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Speaker 2: They have no real organizing capability, you know, they've just

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Speaker 2: been completely Yeah, they just that's a great example. They

480
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Speaker 2: even completely hollow down. So just look at them as

481
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Speaker 2: like hollow shells that can be taken over and molded to,

482
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Speaker 2: you know, a new conception and taken in a different direction.

483
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Speaker 2: So well, but I think for Tucker and Marjorie Taylor Green,

484
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Speaker 2: there's a lot of wish casting about what the Republican

485
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Speaker 2: base wants would be and wants. But when you actually

486
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Speaker 2: look at the polling of do they like Tucker Carlson

487
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Speaker 2: or do they like Trump, like, it's not even close.

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Speaker 4: So I maybe that changes.

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Speaker 2: But I think if Tucker were to run, or some

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Speaker 2: Tucker ish figure Thomas Mazi or whoever, were to run

491
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Speaker 2: in a Republican Party primary, I think they would get destroyed.

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Speaker 7: It's interesting because right now polls are finding historic levels

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Speaker 7: of people identifying as independents, as opposed to Democrats or Republicans.

494
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Speaker 7: But to your point about that hardened core, what that

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Speaker 7: does in our primary system is, or I should say,

496
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Speaker 7: what that does in the general election system is make

497
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Speaker 7: it so that there is this huge baked in benefit,

498
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Speaker 7: because that's really hard to overcome when you have roughly

499
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Speaker 7: thirty percent thirty percent of the country in either of

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Speaker 7: those directions, and so you're fighting over the scraps of

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Speaker 7: remaining independence. But that's also about voter turnout, so like

502
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Speaker 7: if you're in a mid term election cycle, the independence

503
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Speaker 7: aren't turning out as much as the partisans, So it's

504
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Speaker 7: it's really really hard to overcome that for the reasons

505
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Speaker 7: that actually get into how we conduct elections here. So

506
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Speaker 7: I think the theme of today's show is how elites

507
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Speaker 7: are pushing to the brink, and I'm very curious we

508
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Speaker 7: talked about this in the last block, the comparisons when

509
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Speaker 7: the dust is settled between the DSA and the Tea

510
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Speaker 7: Party movement, because the trajectory of the Tea Party movement

511
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Speaker 7: is utterly depressing, obviously because Trump comes along co ops it,

512
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Speaker 7: a lot of the establishment Republicans co opted it, and

513
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Speaker 7: now the DSA is talking about term limits. I mean right,

514
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Speaker 7: like that's the Tea Party movement changed the Republican Party

515
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Speaker 7: in some ways, Like I'm glad that we have a

516
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Speaker 7: more protectionist Republican Party right now, slightly more protectionists. Not really,

517
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Speaker 7: it's now. That's another part we didn't even get to

518
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Speaker 7: in the first block about Trump corruption, is how the

519
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Speaker 7: tariffs have been applied in such a grifty way. So

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Speaker 7: I'm glad that the Overton window has been shifted on

521
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Speaker 7: some of these issues. But I wonder if the DSA

522
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Speaker 7: can learn lessons from the Tea Party and actually change

523
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Speaker 7: the Democratic Party in ways the Tea Party was not

524
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Speaker 7: able to change the Republican Party, And I wonder if

525
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Speaker 7: actually that's what MTG and Tucker Carlson are really thinking about,

526
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Speaker 7: is shaping the Republican Party in a different direction and

527
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Speaker 7: building on maybe some of the scraps that are remaining

528
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Speaker 7: from the Tea Party era. That might be the better

529
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Speaker 7: shot than actually assuming you could have a successful third

530
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Speaker 7: party Republican or a third party independent right of center

531
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Speaker 7: person rise in a presidential election and become the commander

532
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Speaker 7: in chief. If that's what they're getting at, it's much

533
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Speaker 7: more possible, But there are a lot of ways I mean,

534
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Speaker 7: the Tea Party was a very powerful political movement and

535
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Speaker 7: it didn't end up. I mean I ended up with

536
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Speaker 7: Trump basically, yeah.

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Speaker 2: And I think there's there's a lot to get in

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Speaker 2: dig into there. I mean, I think partly. And I

539
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Speaker 2: ran during the Tea Party, like peak of Tea Party

540
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Speaker 2: twenty ten, and went to Tea Party meetings and like

541
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Speaker 2: took their questions and did the whole thing.

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Speaker 4: So I'm very familiar with.

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Speaker 7: Were you for term liaments when you ran?

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Speaker 4: No interesting And I think I'm still.

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Speaker 7: Not a defensible position. It's a defensable position.

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Speaker 2: I mean my thing is just I, if anything, think

547
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Speaker 2: there should be more democracy, more choice.

548
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Speaker 4: I'm more in the direction we should force.

549
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Speaker 2: Things like debates so that there is more of a

550
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Speaker 2: democratic choice. People know what they're getting, they're able to evaluate, okay,

551
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Speaker 2: as my you know, future member of Congress, able to

552
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Speaker 2: string three sentences together or not.

553
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Speaker 4: That's more the.

554
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Speaker 2: Direction I would rather go in, even versus you know,

555
00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:48,840
Speaker 2: becoming more inclined towards age limits. But even you know,

556
00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:51,360
Speaker 2: and I sort of oppose it anyway. So that's a

557
00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:53,960
Speaker 2: different subject for a different day. But the Tea Party

558
00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:56,120
Speaker 2: was always very in co eight. What they actually wanted.

559
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Speaker 2: They're just mad, right, And there was not a lot

560
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Speaker 2: of ideological cohesion. So the closest thing you could come

561
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Speaker 2: to is like, we want to cut the deficit, you know,

562
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Speaker 2: we want to spend less money. But even that, you know,

563
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Speaker 2: ultimately Trump takes it over. Trump spends more money than anybody.

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Speaker 11: Yep.

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Speaker 4: So it's even that.

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Speaker 2: I remember there was always this famous sign that was

567
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Speaker 2: like get your government hands off my Medicare, and it

568
00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:20,240
Speaker 2: was like, yeah, you know, that was kind of the

569
00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:23,520
Speaker 2: vibe was just like we feel like the country is

570
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Speaker 2: changing and we're mad about it.

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Speaker 7: And the bailouts were big.

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Speaker 2: The bailiance may I mean, I don't know were they

573
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Speaker 2: because I don't know that that was really core to

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Speaker 2: the Tea Party concerns. I think it was much more.

575
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Speaker 2: I think there was certainly a racial element to it

576
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Speaker 2: with Barack Obama there, that was definitely part of it,

577
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Speaker 2: But I think it was more this sense of the

578
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Speaker 2: country is changing ways that we are uncomfortable with and

579
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Speaker 2: we just want to hit the brakes. So in any case,

580
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Speaker 2: there wasn't a cohesive ideological strain that was consistent from

581
00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:57,680
Speaker 2: the Tea Party to Trump other than just rage and

582
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Speaker 2: then Trump becomes this truly, I mean, you have to

583
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Speaker 2: culture personality, it genuinely is, and so that it just

584
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Speaker 2: becomes about Trump and whatever Trump wants.

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Speaker 4: So I think one of the learnings for.

586
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Speaker 2: The DSA has to be that there has to be

587
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Speaker 2: some more consistent ideological content, which the DSA is more

588
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Speaker 2: equipped for because they're certainly ideological.

589
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Speaker 4: You have to give them that.

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Speaker 2: They do a lot of thinking about what the ideological

591
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Speaker 2: content is and what sort of programs they would like

592
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Speaker 2: to see. So I think that's one of the things

593
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Speaker 2: the pitfalls to avoid, is it not just collapsing down

594
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Speaker 2: into this like cult of personality of a person who

595
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Speaker 2: can then you know, and then you can justify whatever

596
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Speaker 2: it is you want to do, whether it's complete, you know,

597
00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:41,680
Speaker 2: graph for your your family, or you know, whether it's

598
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Speaker 2: a giant tax cut and deregulation for the tech oligarchs,

599
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Speaker 2: or whether it's doing tariffs in a way that is

600
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Speaker 2: so insane that it just completely discredits the entire program

601
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Speaker 2: of tariff's right.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, And in this media environment, I think it actually

603
00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:56,920
Speaker 7: is hard for political movements not to get subliminated to personality.

604
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Speaker 7: Just that's the way that we've mediated our powers exported

605
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Speaker 7: them onto algorithmic platforms. It's really really hard to avoid

606
00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:06,640
Speaker 7: that happening. I don't know what that would look like

607
00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:08,840
Speaker 7: from the DSA, but well, Zauren is.

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Speaker 2: Kind of an interesting example because it certainly his personal

609
00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:17,320
Speaker 2: charisma is like off the charts and extremely extremely, extremely talented,

610
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Speaker 2: but also has immediately used that personal political capital to

611
00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:27,560
Speaker 2: build out his movement. He is a DSA guy. Like

612
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Speaker 2: that was when he was getting one percent in the polls,

613
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Speaker 2: he was a DSA guy, and the idea was, We're

614
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Speaker 2: going to do this totally long shot, insane thing just

615
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Speaker 2: to push forward the movement and the ideas and the ideology.

616
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Speaker 2: And so he immediately turns around and takes some big

617
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Speaker 2: political risks that right now are paying off for him,

618
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Speaker 2: that are in the direction of it can't just be me.

619
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Speaker 2: There has to be this broader movement. And you know,

620
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Speaker 2: it actually dovetails with the conversation that we're having with

621
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Speaker 2: Michael lang about how he was able to transfer his

622
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Speaker 2: coalition to other candidates in a way that Barack Obama

623
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Speaker 2: isn't able to do, in a way that Trump is not.

624
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Speaker 7: Able to exactly. That's a good point.

625
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Speaker 2: So that makes it you know, you can tell that

626
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Speaker 2: it's different because of the nature of that where people say, okay, well,

627
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Speaker 2: these people are on board with Zoron's program, and so

628
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Speaker 2: he has made it, even though he is very important

629
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Speaker 2: as a leader, he has also made it much more

630
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Speaker 2: about how do we build this movement in New York

631
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Speaker 2: City to start with, but across the country.

632
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Speaker 7: He really proves the AOC the infamous or famous really

633
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Speaker 7: AOC quote where she said, in a European system, Nancy

634
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Speaker 7: Pelosi and I would not be in the same political

635
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:40,920
Speaker 7: party and totally true. And actually we're seeing that in

636
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Speaker 7: the UK right now, the rise of the Greens, the

637
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Speaker 7: rise of Reform, totally undermining the institutional power of the

638
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Speaker 7: two major parties there, and they have a totally different

639
00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:52,120
Speaker 7: system of course as well. But what's interesting about that

640
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Speaker 7: is it's about the coalition too. So Zora mom Donnie

641
00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:58,040
Speaker 7: brings in a coalition that is not just the Democratic

642
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Speaker 7: Party coalition. Trump does thing similar. He brought in a

643
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Speaker 7: lot of Obama voters in the Rust Belt, and that

644
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Speaker 7: doesn't translate to any other Republican so far. So the

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Speaker 7: Zoron experiment then is to go to places like Colorado,

646
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Speaker 7: California and take that same coalition and build it up

647
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Speaker 7: around him a lot Kiros or someone else. And if

648
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Speaker 7: that's successful, that is a total transformation and a takeover

649
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Speaker 7: of the Democratic Party in a way that if Trump

650
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Speaker 7: has gone, we still don't know what happens to the

651
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Speaker 7: Republican coalition. The proof so far is that it doesn't

652
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Speaker 7: remain the Trump coalition. Where in the Rio Grande Valley

653
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Speaker 7: you're having Hispanic men vote in big numbers for Donald Trump,

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Speaker 7: that doesn't seem to be translating to literally anybody else.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, my last question for you is Tucker in the

656
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Speaker 2: same in the same moment when he said that thing

657
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Speaker 2: about like I'm out, I'm done with the Republican Party.

658
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Speaker 2: He then was like, yeah, but I like jd Vance.

659
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Speaker 2: You know, we remained and I think they talk. I

660
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Speaker 2: think they're friendly. He remained open to supporting JD.

661
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Speaker 4: Vance.

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Speaker 2: So I also wonder how serious he is about like

663
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Speaker 2: on with the Republican Party, or you know, whether ultimately

664
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Speaker 2: is like does this calculation is like yeah, but I

665
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Speaker 2: really hate the Democrats, so I got to stick with

666
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Speaker 2: the Republicans.

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Speaker 7: I have to say I'm not often surprised by Tucker.

668
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Speaker 7: I was surprised to see.

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Speaker 4: Him talking about party third party.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, because he's pessimistic, and I think reasonably pessimistic, and

671
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Speaker 7: that you know, the third party talk is naive generally,

672
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Speaker 7: and you heard Marjorie Taylor Green try to frame it as,

673
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Speaker 7: you know, consciously kind of naive, right, Like, we're aware

674
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Speaker 7: this is really difficult, and that's what lends me to

675
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Speaker 7: the position, or brings me to the position that they're

676
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Speaker 7: trying to really just influence the Republican Party. It's true

677
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Speaker 7: there are a lot of independent, dependent voters up for grabs,

678
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Speaker 7: and yes, that's on the table right now. That was

679
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Speaker 7: true during the Tea Party era as well. But I

680
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Speaker 7: just think it's I don't know. I was surprised to

681
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Speaker 7: see that. I don't think he has any interest in

682
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Speaker 7: running for anything. I think there are a lot of

683
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Speaker 7: people who are chirping in his ear about running for things.

684
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Speaker 7: I don't think he's interested in that at all. I

685
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Speaker 7: think he's like less interested in politics, and so the

686
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Speaker 7: idea that he would be working on a third party

687
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Speaker 7: was genuinely surprising to me. I don't know what's going

688
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Speaker 7: to happen with this. I'm sure Margery Taillergreen is in

689
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Speaker 7: talks with people that might be something we should ask

690
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Speaker 7: Row to see if she's brought it up to him,

691
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Speaker 7: or if Massie's brought it up to him, because Massie's

692
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Speaker 7: going to be out of a job in a few months.

693
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Speaker 7: So we'll see what they're actually working on. But I

694
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Speaker 7: think our audience is as skeptical as we are that

695
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Speaker 7: something significant would come of this.

696
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Speaker 4: We will see.

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Speaker 2: All right, let's talk about our declining empire here and

698
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Speaker 2: the health struggles of several of our representatives.

699
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Speaker 7: New reporting about the state of Mitch McConnell's health. Lest

700
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Speaker 7: do you think mister McConnell, Oh, he's no longer Senate

701
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Speaker 7: Majority leader, he's no longer important. He actually is. He's

702
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Speaker 7: appointed himself to be on ahead of big committees. But

703
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Speaker 7: new reporting he was we can put this up on

704
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Speaker 7: the screen found quote unconscious and may have suffered a

705
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Speaker 7: heart attack at his DC residents before being rushed to

706
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Speaker 7: a local hospital last month, according to a district Fire

707
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Speaker 7: and EMS dispatch call made public Wednesday. Post reports the

708
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Speaker 7: June fourteenth called reference medical personnel in an ALS or

709
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Speaker 7: advanced life support ambulance being sent to the home shortly

710
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Speaker 7: before nine am, and mentioned there was quote CPR in

711
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Speaker 7: progress for a cardiac arrest. Now, to be clear, right

712
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Speaker 7: now we don't have a comment from Mitch McConnell, who

713
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Speaker 7: is the sitting US Senator for the state of Kentucky.

714
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Speaker 7: He does helm important congressional committees. He's put himself in

715
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Speaker 7: that position very intentionally, and we basically have no idea

716
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Speaker 7: what is going on with his health. It actually reminded

717
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Speaker 7: us of this report we did here exclusively at breaking

718
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Speaker 7: Points not long ago. But this next element up on

719
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Speaker 7: the screen. Ryan and I reported back in December that

720
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Speaker 7: we got a picture from Reagan Airport, Reagan National Airport

721
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Speaker 7: not long after the election, and Mitch McConnell was being

722
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Speaker 7: pushed around in a wheelchair by his staffer. Basically, this

723
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Speaker 7: was not getting reported on by anybody in the press.

724
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Speaker 7: People and the press had seen this happening and had

725
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Speaker 7: not reported on it was our understanding at the time. Again,

726
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Speaker 7: not a huge bombshell exactly. It's obvious that Mitch McConnell

727
00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:13,440
Speaker 7: is enfeebled, to say the very least. He struggled to

728
00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:17,520
Speaker 7: even make it through multiple press conferences. He stumbled physically

729
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Speaker 7: literally in public. But just come on, the people of

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Speaker 7: Kentucky deserve better. No question about it. He is clinging

731
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Speaker 7: to his power to wield it against the ascendant Trump movement,

732
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Speaker 7: but particularly against anti interventionalist strains in the Republican Party.

733
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Speaker 7: He's deeply concerned about them, and you can bet he's

734
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Speaker 7: staying in the Senate to tamp them down. That's basically

735
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Speaker 7: everybody's understanding on Capitol Hill. He's come out and said

736
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Speaker 7: as much multiple times. Now it gets weirder because Republican

737
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Speaker 7: Tom Kean announced, do you all remember the mystery that

738
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Speaker 7: was happening with Tom Keen, this congressman, Republican congressman who

739
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Speaker 7: was just nowhere. He just disappeared, and his office was

740
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Speaker 7: giving totally cryptic responses about where he was. They were

741
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Speaker 7: saying things like, well, there are no cameras where Tom is. Again. Insane,

742
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Speaker 7: completely insane. Well, he announced in a floor speech yesterday

743
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Speaker 7: that he was gone for months because of depression treatment.

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Speaker 7: Let's roll the clip.

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Speaker 12: Several months ago, due to health concerns, I entered the

746
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Speaker 12: hospital for some testing. I did not believe that this

747
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Speaker 12: would result in a long term stay. I was given

748
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Speaker 12: the diagnosis of depression. Now, when people hear the word depression,

749
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Speaker 12: many people think simply means feeling sad. But depression is

750
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Speaker 12: so much more than that. It is physical, it is emotional.

751
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Speaker 12: Until you experience it yourself, is difficult to fully understand

752
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Speaker 12: how powerful this illness can be. The doctors recommended that

753
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Speaker 12: I remain in the hospital to address my illness. They

754
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Speaker 12: explained to me that this would be the fastest way

755
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Speaker 12: to recovery, and, to be honest, hesitant, I didn't think

756
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Speaker 12: that I had time for it. I had responsibility to

757
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Speaker 12: my family, I had responsibilities to my constituents, I had

758
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Speaker 12: responsibilities to this institution, and like many people, I believed

759
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Speaker 12: that I could simply push through. But I agreed to

760
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Speaker 12: follow my doctor's recommendations, again not believing that would result

761
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Speaker 12: in a long term stay.

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Speaker 7: This guy was going for one hundred and sixteen days

763
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Speaker 7: and again with no transparency, with his staff giving ridiculous excuses,

764
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Speaker 7: cryptic excuses, and Chrystal, you pointed out this lever News article.

765
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Speaker 7: We can pop it up on the screen. It's headline

766
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Speaker 7: sick leave for me, not for the and criticize as

767
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Speaker 7: Keen for quote taking a taxpayer funded four month absence

768
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Speaker 7: from Congress to treat clinical depression, despite repeatedly voting against

769
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Speaker 7: paid sacredly for workers while serving as a state senator

770
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Speaker 7: in New Jersey. So again, he's in Congress now. But

771
00:39:57,040 --> 00:39:59,359
Speaker 7: this is when in twenty eighteen, a New Jersey law

772
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Speaker 7: requiring employer to provide up to forty hours of paid

773
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Speaker 7: time off for workers dealing with an illness or medical

774
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Speaker 7: condition came up and he was opposed to it. So

775
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Speaker 7: just a wonderful insight into our our mighty dignified elected

776
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Speaker 7: officials here in Washington, DC, who insist on clinging to

777
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:19,440
Speaker 7: their power even though they clearly I mean, listen, I

778
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Speaker 7: think he is totally correct about the severity of depression,

779
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Speaker 7: physical consequences of something that looks like a purely psychological condition.

780
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Speaker 7: But he's totally right about that it's real. Then get

781
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Speaker 7: the hell out of Congress. Yeah, the hell out of Congress.

782
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Speaker 2: He won his primary while he was apparently being hospitalized

783
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Speaker 2: for depression, and by the way, to your point about

784
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Speaker 2: his candor, he's still not being candid because the story

785
00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:43,840
Speaker 2: doesn't make any sense. You don't show up for TESS

786
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Speaker 2: and then they admit you four months for depression. Typically

787
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Speaker 2: you're admitted for you are hospitalized for depression if you

788
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Speaker 2: are danger to yourself for others. So it seems to me,

789
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Speaker 2: you know, he was either suicidal, there was something else

790
00:40:55,680 --> 00:40:58,360
Speaker 2: going on here that he's still not being candid about.

791
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Speaker 2: And so look, it's it's a sign of you know,

792
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Speaker 2: the declining empire. With him, it's not an age thing,

793
00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:08,400
Speaker 2: but with McConnell certainly is. It's also a sign of

794
00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:12,320
Speaker 2: democracy failure, like how is this guy getting re elected

795
00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:15,520
Speaker 2: at a time when we don't even know when he's

796
00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:18,680
Speaker 2: like just vanished and we don't know where he is

797
00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:20,800
Speaker 2: or what he's doing or why he's gone or anything.

798
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Speaker 2: And he still gets the nod for the Republican Party

799
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Speaker 2: to go on and continue in Congress. It also shows

800
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Speaker 2: you how little most of these people do.

801
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Speaker 4: I mean, you know, did his constituents.

802
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Speaker 2: Or the nation suffer because he wasn't there doing his

803
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:38,839
Speaker 2: job for four months? No no one noticed other than

804
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:41,040
Speaker 2: you know, to be like, well, that's weird that he's

805
00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:44,600
Speaker 2: gone and isn't taking any of these votes. So, you know,

806
00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:47,560
Speaker 2: some members are more consequential than others. The ones who

807
00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:50,279
Speaker 2: just sort of check the boxes and do whatever the

808
00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:52,319
Speaker 2: party leader tells him to do on the votes, they

809
00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:54,320
Speaker 2: basically don't matter at all.

810
00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:55,520
Speaker 4: It's their staff they're.

811
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Speaker 2: Running the offices and doing anything that's like useful or

812
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:02,920
Speaker 2: consequential whatsoever. One person who was really not impressed with

813
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Speaker 2: what Tom King had to say is Lauren Bobert, who

814
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Speaker 2: really pulled no punches in her response. You know, a

815
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Speaker 2: fellow Republican in her response to his announcement that he

816
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Speaker 2: was out for four months with depression.

817
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Speaker 4: Let's take a listen.

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Speaker 11: I don't even think he used the word severe. He

819
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Speaker 11: just said he was diagnosed with depression. I for one,

820
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Speaker 11: have been marked safe from depression today.

821
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Speaker 7: And what do you mean by that?

822
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Speaker 13: What does that mean? I'm here, you haven't seen those memes?

823
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Speaker 13: Come on now? Younger than me? I guess it's a

824
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Speaker 13: Facebook thing. Huh faical?

825
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Speaker 14: Okay, So what's your take on it?

826
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Speaker 13: I think it's embarrassing still even more so.

827
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Speaker 11: I mean, sure, like take care of yourself, get healthy,

828
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Speaker 11: But who gets to take four months off of work

829
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Speaker 11: because they're sad?

830
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Speaker 7: Like that?

831
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Speaker 14: That's not might not be sad. I mean it's it's impressed.

832
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Speaker 13: He's depressed.

833
00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:53,800
Speaker 11: He's sad, and I okay, whatever the reasons may be,

834
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Speaker 11: it's embarrassing.

835
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Speaker 13: I don't care what party you're a part of. It's

836
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Speaker 13: not okay.

837
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Speaker 11: I mean I think there's a dose of depression and

838
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Speaker 11: that comes with these pins that were given. And so

839
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Speaker 11: I mean if you can't build up a tolerance to it,

840
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Speaker 11: then maybe don't be here.

841
00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:11,040
Speaker 14: Yeah, but it's if his doctor saying, hey, it's safe,

842
00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:13,600
Speaker 14: it's not safe for you to go to work. I

843
00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:16,520
Speaker 14: mean doesn't that come before this job?

844
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Speaker 13: Did his doctor say that? I heard his doctor say

845
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Speaker 13: that it is safe for him to return to work.

846
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Speaker 14: Yeah, I mean I assumed if he was there for

847
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Speaker 14: that long, he was there under doctor's orders.

848
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Speaker 11: Maybe he should have been institutionalized, like if it was

849
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Speaker 11: if it were that bad, I mean, I don't know,

850
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Speaker 11: Like I it's embarrassing. Do you think he should not

851
00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:37,560
Speaker 11: just sit here and just dunk on Tom Keen or Kane?

852
00:43:37,560 --> 00:43:39,239
Speaker 13: I think the speaker pronounced it Kane.

853
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Speaker 7: I don't know.

854
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:41,319
Speaker 13: I'm not going to sit here and just dunk on

855
00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:43,000
Speaker 13: him and his in his issue.

856
00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:47,200
Speaker 11: I do think it is an absolute disrespect to his

857
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Speaker 11: voters that he has not shown up and had a

858
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Speaker 11: reason like that. If you're depressed, okay, come in the

859
00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:56,480
Speaker 11: back door, put your card in, vote and leave. Like

860
00:43:56,520 --> 00:43:58,520
Speaker 11: you don't have to talk to anybody. You can keep

861
00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:01,640
Speaker 11: your head down low and vote and go home.

862
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Speaker 2: I like that m part too, where she's basically like,

863
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Speaker 2: we don't really do that much like you could just

864
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Speaker 2: come and vote and leave. It will take you ten seconds,

865
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Speaker 2: just dip the card and just dip the card in,

866
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Speaker 2: do your thing and go and your staff will handle

867
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Speaker 2: everything else, because they probably do that all the time anyway.

868
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Speaker 7: By the way, this is why these ideas about remote

869
00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:19,680
Speaker 7: voting for Congress are so stupid, because you could have

870
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Speaker 7: somebody literally lying about where they are or not saying

871
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Speaker 7: where they are. They're in clinical depression treatment, maybe because

872
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Speaker 7: they are suicidal, and they're voting because their staff members

873
00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:32,480
Speaker 7: are just keeping up the act for them and like

874
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Speaker 7: finding ways to just vote whether they're there or not.

875
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Speaker 7: So I think this is a good lesson as Congress

876
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Speaker 7: moves closer and closer to that, there's a big push

877
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Speaker 7: for that right now. By the way, worth noting also,

878
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Speaker 7: just as I was saying, Mitch McConnell is trying to

879
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Speaker 7: retain his power. He is at the top of the

880
00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:52,640
Speaker 7: Rules Committee. Wow, he is in charge of the Senate

881
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Speaker 7: Appropriation Committee Subcommittee for Defense, the sub Committee for Defense.

882
00:44:57,120 --> 00:44:59,080
Speaker 7: Right now. He said it himself in an interview with

883
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Speaker 7: the Financial Times that's where the real money is, and

884
00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:05,840
Speaker 7: he's really referencing Ukraine, but also probably Israel as well.

885
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Speaker 7: So here he is clinging to power despite and not

886
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Speaker 7: being transparent about it. Again, that's another part of this.

887
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Speaker 7: His office hasn't said if any of this happened. This

888
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Speaker 7: is the New York Post gleaning it from and I

889
00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:20,280
Speaker 7: think Punchable got it from medical report from EMS records

890
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Speaker 7: released in Washington, DC because people suspected something was going on.

891
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Speaker 2: I mean, he's fallen on camera multiple times, broke his

892
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Speaker 2: ribs right, had a concussion because of a fall, froze

893
00:45:30,719 --> 00:45:33,520
Speaker 2: on camera multiple times, and now at this time, that's

894
00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:36,399
Speaker 2: years ago that that happened, and this man is still

895
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Speaker 2: serving as a United States Senator and then on the

896
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Speaker 2: top keen point. I think Lauren Bobert when she's like,

897
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Speaker 2: who gets to take four months off from their job?

898
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Speaker 2: I think that's exactly the question that many Americans are

899
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Speaker 2: going to be asking themselves, especially since he's.

900
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Speaker 4: A hypocrite on the issue.

901
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Speaker 2: It'd be one thing if he's a champion of universal

902
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Speaker 2: healthcare and mental health wellness and paid time up, but

903
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Speaker 2: he is none of those things.

904
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Speaker 9: He is the.

905
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Speaker 2: Opposite of that, and so it's it is hard for

906
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Speaker 2: me to think of any other job where you could

907
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Speaker 2: just casually disappear.

908
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Speaker 7: Well, Sager does it.

909
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Speaker 4: For four months outside of soccer.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I guess if you're yeah, if you own

911
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Speaker 2: the business, I guess you get to do.

912
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Speaker 4: What you want. But we don't know where Soger is.

913
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Speaker 7: He could be better.

914
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Speaker 4: Many there are no cameras where Saga is.

915
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Speaker 7: Emily, That's actually probably true. We do know where Saga

916
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Speaker 7: is to an extent. I could probably guess.

917
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Speaker 2: I love your consistent like desire to dunk on Sager

918
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Speaker 2: when he's not here. I mean, it's the only one

919
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Speaker 2: of the best things about you.

920
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Speaker 7: I've known Sager for long enough that I get I

921
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Speaker 7: get a pass. Oh yeah, I've known him since he

922
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Speaker 7: was a different Saga, A younger, more naive Saga.

923
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Speaker 2: Okay vice versa less jaded, hardened by the world. In

924
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Speaker 2: any case, I think most people be looking in this

925
00:46:53,600 --> 00:46:55,120
Speaker 2: and be like, if I took four months off, I

926
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Speaker 2: would be fired.

927
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Speaker 4: That's the way that would work.

928
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Speaker 2: And then I'd be more depressed, you know, I would

929
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Speaker 2: be more to brass than Mike Johns.

930
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Speaker 4: This isn't the job for you. There are other jobs

931
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Speaker 4: go do.

932
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Speaker 2: Like you're longing, miserable and you are not doing the job,

933
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Speaker 2: so go do something else. It's I don't know. The

934
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Speaker 2: whole thing is just too wild.

935
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Speaker 7: Mike Johnson has like tepidly criticized him.

936
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Speaker 4: Oh diddy, ye oh yeah.

937
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Speaker 7: He was like, well, I would have been more transparent

938
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Speaker 7: about it, and it's like all right, so we can

939
00:47:22,560 --> 00:47:25,120
Speaker 7: all come together and tepidly criticize it, and it just

940
00:47:25,160 --> 00:47:28,880
Speaker 7: keeps happening. This, the former set up majority leader is

941
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Speaker 7: doing it right now, and is anybody, yeah, trying to

942
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Speaker 7: push him.

943
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Speaker 2: Out, but and I do, really I want to come

944
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Speaker 2: back to the point about it says something about our

945
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Speaker 2: system that this can happen and there's no political electoral consequences.

946
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Speaker 7: Kane might lose his seat, is it a close Yeah,

947
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Speaker 7: This Republicans are partially I bet it's partially why Johnson

948
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Speaker 7: feels comfortable criticizing him because I think it was one

949
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Speaker 7: of those things where people didn't know if he was

950
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Speaker 7: going to come back in time for the primary to

951
00:47:53,120 --> 00:47:55,520
Speaker 7: be okay, So it was hard to like feeld a

952
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Speaker 7: replacement because people didn't know if he was going to

953
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Speaker 7: step back in or whatever, and uh, this time around

954
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Speaker 7: it's a swing district, so he might actually lose the

955
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Speaker 7: seat for Republicans obviously, when they're clinging to every single

956
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Speaker 7: seat they possibly can.

957
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Speaker 2: Yeah, but I'm just thinking of like Diane Feinstein, you know,

958
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Speaker 2: where there was a progressive challenge to her and it

959
00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:16,880
Speaker 2: was beat back by Obama and Nancy Pelosi. And you know,

960
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Speaker 2: they don't have to do town halls. They don't have

961
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Speaker 2: they like, it's much easier now than ever, I think,

962
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Speaker 2: even as cameras are everywhere for them to hide their

963
00:48:26,640 --> 00:48:30,520
Speaker 2: true condition from the public, and so it you know,

964
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Speaker 2: falls to people like Ken Clippenstein to be like a

965
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Speaker 2: total asshole and be like, why is there's a college

966
00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:37,680
Speaker 2: shaking like that? You know, because people deserve to know

967
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Speaker 2: because so much has.

968
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Speaker 4: Been hidden in the past.

969
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Speaker 7: So yeah, you know, I think that shout.

970
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Speaker 2: Out to Ken for being the asshole for the people,

971
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Speaker 2: an asshole for the people.

972
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Speaker 7: If Ken runs, that's his slogan.

973
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Speaker 4: For the people.

974
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Speaker 2: I mean that was kind of the central problems of Trump, right, Yes, yes,

975
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Speaker 2: that's being an asshole for his own sake.

976
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Speaker 7: But Chris, like you have just brought the sh so

977
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Speaker 7: full circle in such a beautiful, poetic way. I was

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Speaker 7: very well done.

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Speaker 4: Glad you enjoyed that.

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Speaker 7: Oh that's perfect. It's been such a pleasure to be

981
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Speaker 7: here this week. And we have a Friday show. Some

982
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Speaker 7: people might be taking the Friday before the two fiftieth

983
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Speaker 7: off us.

984
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Speaker 4: Not us.

985
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Speaker 2: We have to cover all of all of the news

986
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Speaker 2: for the patriots that people need to know. We will

987
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Speaker 2: be there and Emily doing every single show this week.

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Speaker 4: So thank you, my friend.

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Speaker 7: I'm going to steal the iheartradiotrophy and it's it's off

990
00:49:28,239 --> 00:49:30,040
Speaker 7: camera right now. I'm gonna steal it. I'm you know,

991
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Speaker 7: put it behind me.

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Speaker 2: You deserve it. And only are you doing that, you're

993
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Speaker 2: doing your own show too. Like hardest working women in

994
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Speaker 2: show business here.

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Speaker 7: You gotta do what you gotta do. You know, you

996
00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:40,520
Speaker 7: can't be caning, you can't be doing, you can't be

997
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Speaker 7: pulling to Tom Kane.

998
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Speaker 4: There are all looking. There are always cameras where Emily is.

999
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Speaker 7: Honestly, it's true about all of us shout up to flock.

1000
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Speaker 7: We're always all on camera. I bet they've got some

1001
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Speaker 7: footage of Tom game that.

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Speaker 2: We shout out to Palenteer. There are always cameras where

1003
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Speaker 2: all of us are.

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Speaker 7: Oh goodness.

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Speaker 4: Anyway, thank you guys for watching.

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Speaker 2: Sign up for the new letter, breakingboards dot com, Driving

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Speaker 2: trouble support at supercast dot com, and we'll see you tomorrow.

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Speaker 15: It should be a good one.

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Speaker 7: H