Speaker 1: My grandma and your grandma was sitting back the fire.
Speaker 1: My grandma to your grandma, I'm gonna say fight. It's
Speaker 1: talking about Hinda. I go on date Jagomo Jago ding
Speaker 1: dong la. Teresa's calling. Wow, we're back and yet another hiatus,
Speaker 1: Yet another hiatus. Um as is as is par for
Speaker 1: the course. Now we we have. We've had a very
Speaker 1: long hiightus this time, this is our long We apologize.
Speaker 1: This was a tough one. We both did stressful things.
Speaker 1: I moved and had count them, three apartments fall through
Speaker 1: over the last month and a half. Baby, but we
Speaker 1: have figured it out. We are currently living in a
Speaker 1: space that is our own, and it feels good. It
Speaker 1: feels good. Matt's had a rougher month than I have
Speaker 1: for sure, just you know, yeah, I just put up
Speaker 1: like such a stupid, frivolous thing. But guys, so it
Speaker 1: was not frivolous. It was very good. It was called Findings. Yes,
Speaker 1: Matt was had a star turn as the villain. Um
Speaker 1: that was a spoiler right there again. Well, guys, this
Speaker 1: is our first episode back. Since the world has fundamentally changed,
Speaker 1: since democracy has had its last nail in its coffin
Speaker 1: so I mean, here we are. We're just gonna keep
Speaker 1: talking about culture. Um, bringing it to you every ball,
Speaker 1: bring it to every ball. Have you found a way
Speaker 1: to see any light in the days? Um? Yeah? This
Speaker 1: podcast called Making Oprah. It's only three episodes long, it's
Speaker 1: already technically finished, but it's it's it's about it's the
Speaker 1: Wbezy Chicago. It's about how Oprah was like has evolved
Speaker 1: through the years. It's excellent. I highly recommend it to
Speaker 1: everybody that's been my only light? What about you? Well,
Speaker 1: you know what I realized would be the light, but
Speaker 1: it's been missing and you know what ended just right
Speaker 1: in the wrong time because we need it most right now?
Speaker 1: Is really can you imagine at least we would have
Speaker 1: that every week? Absolutely? What poor planning. But guys, we
Speaker 1: have to ights with us lights and the lights in
Speaker 1: the darkness. Um they are um, oh my gosh, they're
Speaker 1: just such fantastic people. Um. There are the founders and
Speaker 1: editors of the women's satirical news magazine Reductress. Yes, Reductress
Speaker 1: is amazing. You may have listened to their podcast Mouth
Speaker 1: Time with Nicole Silverberg and yes yes, And also you
Speaker 1: may know about the show ha ho Wow, hosted by
Speaker 1: Nicole Silverberg, are a good friend. Former guests also under
Speaker 1: the Reductress in Brella and also you may you read, oh,
Speaker 1: you may have read the book. You may have picked
Speaker 1: it up at your Barnes and Noble, you may have
Speaker 1: shot for it online. It's called how do We Win
Speaker 1: That Feminism? Guys? Get it today. It's such a fantastic book. Guys,
Speaker 1: please welcome Sarah paper Lardadle. The best intro I've ever heard.
Speaker 1: We got it's a little Nicole Silverberg heavy, too much,
Speaker 1: too much? You guys. You two have been like legit
Speaker 1: podcasts with this, like with this like publicity tour for
Speaker 1: the book and for the for the show in the
Speaker 1: pod mostly the book. No, right, but like this is
Speaker 1: thank you so much for gracing us with your presence
Speaker 1: on this like very lowly but soon to be seminal podcast.
Speaker 1: I mean, like just let's just know that, like the
Speaker 1: phrase legit podcast means nothing to our mother's. Nothing to
Speaker 1: our mother's The treatment you have given us so far
Speaker 1: has been above and beyond. Can we stay here forever?
Speaker 1: Most of our press tour, yes, I mean there's water
Speaker 1: in front of them. How was the press tour. It's
Speaker 1: it's good. It's so busy. It's good. No, like the
Speaker 1: busy part has has subsided. But we were just bouncing
Speaker 1: around a couple of cities and like, you know, talking
Speaker 1: to some youths. Yeah, we processing our emotions around the election.
Speaker 1: And we're processing them like at the youth, processing at
Speaker 1: the youth and youth's and proselytizing the youth, eat them,
Speaker 1: indoctrinating them. Yeah, giving our our liberal agenda exactly. But
Speaker 1: then it's so confusing to because then you're there at
Speaker 1: these events and you're you're talking and that you're kind
Speaker 1: of up there with them mic and they listened to you,
Speaker 1: and you're supposed to say like the thing that's supposed
Speaker 1: to feel good, and we're all still processing it. No
Speaker 1: one knows what to say or how to feel right now.
Speaker 1: So that's gotta be very weird. I felt like such
Speaker 1: a freaking old woman. So we flew to l A
Speaker 1: the day after the election, and it was just so
Speaker 1: we were like it was like as if someone broke
Speaker 1: up with you and then you were like in your
Speaker 1: pajamas and had to go to the airport to like
Speaker 1: see your family or something, and you're just like I
Speaker 1: met sorry at the airport and we were just like yeah,
Speaker 1: so like all right, we're gonna we're gonna figure this out.
Speaker 1: And the next day we like go to a college
Speaker 1: and talk to some like adorable feminist group that have
Speaker 1: just gotten back from a protest, and we had like
Speaker 1: a PowerPoint presentation. We just didn't do it, and we're
Speaker 1: like what, I don't know. I was just like, well,
Speaker 1: what do we do during the Bush administration? Like we
Speaker 1: were good at this, Like we know how to do this,
Speaker 1: and we just have to do it again. And these
Speaker 1: kids have no idea how to do it yet. But
Speaker 1: they're in a freaking ride. I mean, to strap yourselves
Speaker 1: in the world. But like I think that the act
Speaker 1: of you being there and just like being sort of
Speaker 1: on display for these people is just a very good
Speaker 1: thing in and of itself. I don't know, showing up
Speaker 1: is like better. Hopefully if we didn't show up, like
Speaker 1: you know, chaos wouldn't sue. But like really though, like
Speaker 1: I mean all of us, Yeah, you go on the
Speaker 1: website and you're like thank fucking God, like I was
Speaker 1: on it today and you guys are all the Leon
Speaker 1: Dudham stuff, Like wait, wait, no, we have to do
Speaker 1: And I'm like, yeah, anying, She's so great and truly
Speaker 1: like that is insane. But yet again, and actually I
Speaker 1: meant to talk to you guys about this one because
Speaker 1: like I worked with her on like this little digital short,
Speaker 1: and she actually reminds me so much of like that
Speaker 1: friend you have that like sometimes says that thing and
Speaker 1: you roll your riz and you're like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: Like she knows better than that. I'm sorry you apologize
Speaker 1: for her. But yet she's the most quoted person ever
Speaker 1: and she still just keeps going. So it's like she
Speaker 1: must know that. Do you think she knows? I don't
Speaker 1: think she knows. I don't think she's aware. We were
Speaker 1: talking about in the oppos Todaana think like there's a
Speaker 1: level of like there's something a little bit off, Like
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's narcissism or whatever, but it's
Speaker 1: like it's almost like the type of attitude someone needs
Speaker 1: to have to break through to her level of success
Speaker 1: as the woman she is, and so it's like it's
Speaker 1: what fuels her, but it's also what makes you constantly
Speaker 1: be like what are you doing? Yeah, like, oh my god.
Speaker 1: Not to bring nicol in back into this. But Nicole,
Speaker 1: I think on her episode when she was on this pod,
Speaker 1: we talked, well, we talked about that and we talked
Speaker 1: about yeah, that was after the Amy Schumer and we
Speaker 1: were like the people like, no, but this is unrelated
Speaker 1: this ism. We were talking about Lindsay Lehan and Britney
Speaker 1: Spears being good SNL hosts and how that is not
Speaker 1: unrelated to how troubled they are, Like when you exist
Speaker 1: in that gume of your own ability and intelligence and talents, like,
Speaker 1: of course I can host Essa no with no live
Speaker 1: performance experience. Of course you want to hear me say
Speaker 1: this thing when I when I asked this question, it's
Speaker 1: gonna be thought provoking. She literally broke onto the scene
Speaker 1: as the voice of her generation. Ironic as that was.
Speaker 1: You know it's not you know she think does think
Speaker 1: that about herself and aspire for that. So well. Anyway,
Speaker 1: great Lena stuff, great Lena content. Did you see the
Speaker 1: head of the one today? It was it's my choice
Speaker 1: to wait, what is it? No, it was she used
Speaker 1: her connections and UM to get Bola, because like used
Speaker 1: her connections UM to contract the It was it's just
Speaker 1: she's talking about abortions, like it's like a fucking sum Yeah.
Speaker 1: Study abroad. I thought that was really good. You just
Speaker 1: don't talk about abortion like it was study abroad, Like
Speaker 1: I wish I had gone to Florence. Yeah, it's weird.
Speaker 1: I was thinking, it's so weird because I've seen her
Speaker 1: write essays about like women being abused and what they're
Speaker 1: rights are within their marriages and like rape and have
Speaker 1: like you know, bearing a rapist child and how in
Speaker 1: certain states you are legally obligated to like allow visitation
Speaker 1: rights for your rapists to your child or whatever. And
Speaker 1: so she sounds so intelligent and certain aspects, and then
Speaker 1: she said stuff like this, and you're like, wait, have
Speaker 1: you read anything about abortion, like because it's not I
Speaker 1: mean hot take. I think so. I think there are
Speaker 1: probably a lot of white celebrity men, probably a lot
Speaker 1: of what men's celebrities period, that are just as idiotic
Speaker 1: as her, you know what. They don't get asked these
Speaker 1: questions as much. To be fair though, this was her podcast. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, but that's what kind of drives me crazy
Speaker 1: that the amy she were interviews. I'm like, you guys
Speaker 1: had all the power to edit this and rethink it
Speaker 1: and put it out there and make present the most
Speaker 1: sparkling versions of yourselves. And you still were like, this
Speaker 1: is what we're doing going There is so much power
Speaker 1: in those people that celebrities surround, that celebrities surround themselves
Speaker 1: with to just tell them they're doing the right thing.
Speaker 1: Like I recently, I was doing research on John Travolta
Speaker 1: and Kelly Preston. I'm doing a show later and I'm
Speaker 1: talking about Kelly Preston Brooklyn so like, um so, I'm
Speaker 1: just like assessing it sounded like a so I was.
Speaker 1: You know, with Kelly, it's alternative. We're talking about celebrities
Speaker 1: that are on the b C dealist all sorts, so
Speaker 1: um no. Anyway, but I was reading about Battlefield Earth.
Speaker 1: Remember this movie with John Travolta, which is like a
Speaker 1: sci fi epic, and it was widely called one of
Speaker 1: the worst movies in the world. And they asked John
Speaker 1: Travolta about it in the aftermath and he was like,
Speaker 1: you know, I actually don't read reviews. There's a team
Speaker 1: of people around me that's hired to not tell me
Speaker 1: this stuff. So it's like you have it right there.
Speaker 1: I mean you said it like you're not gonna get
Speaker 1: any perspective other than your own, and you're like, no,
Speaker 1: they're what, probably wasn't anyone there to tell them this
Speaker 1: shouldn't go into prisson. Yeah. I also think like a
Speaker 1: lot of celebrities are just like nerdy teens who now
Speaker 1: have power. So like when you get Amy Schumer and
Speaker 1: Lena Dunham in a room together, they're both like, I'm
Speaker 1: in a room with Amy Schumer, I'm in a room
Speaker 1: with Lena Dunham, and so they're validating each other and
Speaker 1: they're like, I'm cool, you know what I mean. So
Speaker 1: they're like anything that she's laughing at must be great. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but imagine like nobody telling you know, even when you're
Speaker 1: like college aged, like you make tiny furniture and people
Speaker 1: are like uh huh yes, and then you're like, funk,
Speaker 1: I'm amazing, like you don't doubt your ability, and then
Speaker 1: you just say it and it's like, well, she also
Speaker 1: exists in that weird space between like authority young person.
Speaker 1: It was like more of a writer and comedian. So
Speaker 1: I do think sometimes she thinks she's being funny in
Speaker 1: the midst of this like intelligent point or we're listening
Speaker 1: to hear one thing, and then we hear like what
Speaker 1: she perceives as a joke coming out of her mouth,
Speaker 1: and that gets that's true, Like she was even like
Speaker 1: in the minor dealings with her I had I was,
Speaker 1: I was picking up. I like, oh, yeah, you're a
Speaker 1: normal person who says these things, but like, unfortunately you're
Speaker 1: going to be quoted in print saying them and like
Speaker 1: you can't. That's my biggest complaint about her is that
Speaker 1: people treat her as though she's a comedian, and she
Speaker 1: seems to also believe it, and she has no comedic experience,
Speaker 1: therefore the jokes don't hold up under scrutiny. But she
Speaker 1: like acts as though like, oh, that was just a joke,
Speaker 1: and you're like, no, it's not a joke, Like that's
Speaker 1: not how a joke works. Even with the show, Even
Speaker 1: with Girls the show, I always have thought, like I
Speaker 1: think when that show is at its best, it's being
Speaker 1: its most real, and when it tried to be this
Speaker 1: kind of broader comedy, I was like, I don't buy this.
Speaker 1: I don't think you guys are very good. Yeah, there's
Speaker 1: a lot of shows like that. I would say the
Speaker 1: same thing about certain episodes of Orange is the New
Speaker 1: black word? I'm like, are you a drama or you
Speaker 1: a comedy? And you seem to think you're good at both,
Speaker 1: but you're just start of treading water, Like what what's
Speaker 1: your goal here? Yeah, I think that show exists best
Speaker 1: in that in that kind of area where it's like
Speaker 1: you're you're seeing the realities and like we're laughing because
Speaker 1: of the realities, but also like it's very hard to
Speaker 1: do that with that kind of show because at a
Speaker 1: certain point you've got to talk about, you know, the
Speaker 1: racial elements of all that you've got, and that's there's
Speaker 1: nothing funny about it. Like, apparently this last season was
Speaker 1: incredibly dark. I didn't watch it, but I thought the
Speaker 1: last season was a little better because it felt like
Speaker 1: it got real. That's the thing that drives me crazy
Speaker 1: about the show is like the tone like swings back
Speaker 1: and forth so drastically that you don't really know what
Speaker 1: to expect. And then when when you're watching a show
Speaker 1: about a women's prison and it goes super light and fluffy,
Speaker 1: you're kind of like, what are yeah, Like, are you
Speaker 1: we trying to say that it's fun to be in
Speaker 1: a women's prison because it's not. But this season did
Speaker 1: get a little darker, and I thought that was like
Speaker 1: a good thing for the show, and I will definitely
Speaker 1: watch it. I honestly heard what it was about, and
Speaker 1: I got so anxious. I just like I get very
Speaker 1: anxious watching any television, Like my boyfriend had to watch
Speaker 1: Westworld before me so that I could, so that we
Speaker 1: could sit together and he could tell me when something
Speaker 1: violent was going to happen, because I, yeah, he's sort
Speaker 1: of like your John Travelta team is. And honestly, I
Speaker 1: watched that show mostly from the next room, like peering
Speaker 1: over a Famously, Matt Will We've mentioned this before, Matt
Speaker 1: has not seen past the first ten minutes of Stranger
Speaker 1: Things because he was too scared. No, I can't do it.
Speaker 1: And I watched so bad because Winona, I want you
Speaker 1: so bad because I don't think it's that it's scary.
Speaker 1: All that needs to be is like the anicipation. I
Speaker 1: just want to give you a super kind of winnowa writer,
Speaker 1: and I think that's all you need because I heard
Speaker 1: that she does some amazing like borderline over acting, and
Speaker 1: that's what she's the perfect caricature of, like the crazy
Speaker 1: mother from the eighties that's sufferings and now all of us.
Speaker 1: All the accolades are coming in right now too. She
Speaker 1: got the Screen Actors Guild nomination on the Golden Globe stuff.
Speaker 1: Do you guys follow that all that not too too much? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think it's a very gay thing. Well, sometimes I'm
Speaker 1: more invested than others. Right now, it's like the Trump stuff,
Speaker 1: kind of Trump set. I guess we're just not into
Speaker 1: like celebrating the achievements of film over the last year.
Speaker 1: And when it's like yeah this, I will say, there's
Speaker 1: some really really good stuff out there that is very
Speaker 1: thought provoking. Right now. Have you guys seen Arrival? It's
Speaker 1: really good. It's because it's really a movie about communication,
Speaker 1: and like that's very interesting. Now you saw it, right,
Speaker 1: do we see it together? I myself, like I think
Speaker 1: two days after the election and and it was it
Speaker 1: was It's very right. It feels very depression. Yeah. The
Speaker 1: trailer is good. Yeah. Well, the trailer makes it seem
Speaker 1: very sci fi, like you like you think it's going
Speaker 1: to get to that point where like she's on the
Speaker 1: ship fighting an alien, but it never gets there. It's
Speaker 1: actually a really like intimate, like like hetty kind of
Speaker 1: like drama with those elements in and I thought it
Speaker 1: was fantastic and she's my favorite's great. Um, guys, let's
Speaker 1: just let's talk about and Sarah about culture that shaped you.
Speaker 1: When did you know culture you could you grow up with?
Speaker 1: So we're talking about like television, we're talking about books,
Speaker 1: movies like what really like pushed you into being who
Speaker 1: you are and like your interests? Oh my god? Okay,
Speaker 1: So I was pretty anti anticulture until I was thirteen.
Speaker 1: Hated culture. Why that? Why was that? I don't know.
Speaker 1: I think I grew up in New Hampshire in a
Speaker 1: very just like a house with white walls and parents
Speaker 1: who are very practical. Um, and then I discovered television,
Speaker 1: which was my first so oh you know what, I
Speaker 1: should back up? Sorry, My mother tried to introduce me
Speaker 1: to culture by putting me in a jazz choir when
Speaker 1: I was five, and I famously I was in the
Speaker 1: Sunshine Generation and I cried our our director was Penny Marshall,
Speaker 1: which is still pie? Was Penny Marshall actually Penny Marshall not.
Speaker 1: I don't know why her name was Penny Marty like
Speaker 1: she renamed herself. Sorry, this is insane. I tell you
Speaker 1: that my grandmother's name is Betty White. That's her birth name.
Speaker 1: It's not she she married and then changed her last name,
Speaker 1: but her she was born as Betty White. That's fine, Marshall.
Speaker 1: I think it was just the generation she was. Penny
Speaker 1: Marshall is probably Penny Marshall's age now, like yeah, so
Speaker 1: it was probably just some weird freaking god but I
Speaker 1: I hated it. I think my mom had a really
Speaker 1: like cursory understanding of musical theater and wanted like the
Speaker 1: idea of me doing it was cool to her, and
Speaker 1: I was like no. Um. And then when I got
Speaker 1: into high school, I was like, wait, I wish I
Speaker 1: was doing this, but so like I just watched a
Speaker 1: lot of comedy on TV and I became like a
Speaker 1: dumb comedy nerd and was like obsessed with strangers with
Speaker 1: Candy and UCB and all that stuff. Um. And then
Speaker 1: I kind of like took the back door in the
Speaker 1: theater and I did like an intercity theater group, um,
Speaker 1: instead of doing like the theater program at my school
Speaker 1: because then people would like know, so I'd like run
Speaker 1: out of field hockey practice and be like, sorry, guys,
Speaker 1: I've got something to do. That would have been a
Speaker 1: good way around it. I too, was like too scared
Speaker 1: to do theater in high school because of what it
Speaker 1: would mean. Yeah, I didn't find any outlet for it.
Speaker 1: But that's cool. But Sarah sneaking out after field hockey
Speaker 1: practice to go to to this to rehearsals or what
Speaker 1: have you. It feels like a very like teen drama. Ask,
Speaker 1: I mean totally. And then like all the romans and
Speaker 1: soon and it was just like it's a complete cliche,
Speaker 1: completely real romance. Yeah, it was great. It was great.
Speaker 1: All the things happened and it was like, it was great.
Speaker 1: The minute I got a car, I took him an
Speaker 1: improv class. Nation shuttled off to Chicago when I was
Speaker 1: from college, and then I was just like culture, so
Speaker 1: you you, you guys are Chicago. I moved to Chicago eventually,
Speaker 1: I was. I grew up in New Hampshire slash like
Speaker 1: Boston area, yes, but I grew up in Massachusetts, so
Speaker 1: we were like but we weren't like far away from
Speaker 1: each other physically, right, but we didn't know each other.
Speaker 1: So then okay, did lots of improvm college. Yeah, because
Speaker 1: you guys met at the magnet your adultments culture culture
Speaker 1: through into culture. So I guess like my my access
Speaker 1: point at least comedy wife. I was always like a
Speaker 1: visual art kind of nerd. But it was like very
Speaker 1: into like monae, which sounds really dumb now looking back
Speaker 1: in it. But when my when I was little, my
Speaker 1: dad would tape the SNL episodes and then play them
Speaker 1: for us. So like at a very young age, I
Speaker 1: was like very into sil and I don't know, like
Speaker 1: age twelve or whatever, I got instant messenger on a
Speaker 1: o L. My aim screen name was SNL Viewer Snagged
Speaker 1: the original anyway, that was me. And then high school
Speaker 1: I was very into like watching you know, Comedy Central
Speaker 1: and all that. But I also was very very into
Speaker 1: BBC America, which we had for some reason. Um, I
Speaker 1: watch a lot of like British comedies and like the
Speaker 1: show called Coupling that was like it was like a
Speaker 1: British friend A right, yeah, it was like a British Friends,
Speaker 1: but like more I think like sexually open in the
Speaker 1: way the British people are, Um, yeah, stuff like that.
Speaker 1: That's something with British television. I've always noticed like they
Speaker 1: had like queer as folk before we did, and I
Speaker 1: was always like what is this? And I was super
Speaker 1: young when that came out, so I was always like,
Speaker 1: but that was kind of I then realized as an
Speaker 1: adult was kind of just like a sex show, right,
Speaker 1: But they Yeah, the British stuff always seemed like more
Speaker 1: advanced and smarter. Have you seen Fleabag on Amazon. It's like,
Speaker 1: so there's a storyline. I know this kind of spoilers,
Speaker 1: but there's storyline where his character is like a straight guy,
Speaker 1: but he has a friendship with a gay guy and
Speaker 1: then he's sort of is like jealous of the gay
Speaker 1: guy's boyfriend and like it is like messing with him,
Speaker 1: and then it slowly comes out that he's like he
Speaker 1: actually is like into this guy and he's like bisexual
Speaker 1: or whatever you wanna call it. But it's just like
Speaker 1: so much smarter than our television like to just like
Speaker 1: have that happen. It's like American television would never let
Speaker 1: a straight guy turn unless they saw it happen like
Speaker 1: several times overseas as maybe can we do it? Yeah,
Speaker 1: Like I guess they wouldn't. Especially they wouldn't let him
Speaker 1: be like bisexual, you know what I mean, Like they
Speaker 1: would maybe be like, oh, he was gay all along,
Speaker 1: but like it's it's like it's so smart to like
Speaker 1: actually portray bisexual bright well American television, I think, especially
Speaker 1: in the stuff that they borrow from or they just
Speaker 1: kind of recreate here that's done it over the season,
Speaker 1: Like in England, it's they've never nailed the authenticity. Like
Speaker 1: I guess that a lot of people like Shameless and
Speaker 1: I guess that feels authentic, it feels real, But that
Speaker 1: was originally British show. Yeah. Um, but um, you know
Speaker 1: a lot of things I've seen that tried to like
Speaker 1: get remade over here like just flop, like for example,
Speaker 1: like Kath and Kim, Kath and Kim. Yeah, I haven't
Speaker 1: heard that. It's just an old enough reference. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: haven't seen. I saw that. I saw the pilot Molly
Speaker 1: I got blessed, Molley Shan and Selma Blair. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: my god, that was there. I was wondering. I was thinking,
Speaker 1: yeah with them, Um, I was thinking like the X
Speaker 1: Factor when America tried to do The X Factor and
Speaker 1: it was like so blown up and it was like
Speaker 1: Simon Cowell's big break from American is he was like
Speaker 1: it felt so fake and I was like, this is horrible.
Speaker 1: But I was like a fan of the British X
Speaker 1: Factor because it felt like they were kind of real artists.
Speaker 1: It felt like it felt like more fun and more
Speaker 1: authentic in a real way. And I also heard that
Speaker 1: like seventy percent of British television households watched the show
Speaker 1: like it was like a national thing. It's like the
Speaker 1: Great British Breaking Show, Like it's a national treasure. It's
Speaker 1: like a national final. Were they hotter or less hot
Speaker 1: the US? The contestants of the judges, I don't know,
Speaker 1: because you know, it's all about the judges on the
Speaker 1: X Factor, like that mixed careers over there. Nicole Sherzinger
Speaker 1: will never come back to America because she's a superstar
Speaker 1: and professional British talent show judge. Yeah yeah, so she's
Speaker 1: never coming back. But do you know what the contestants
Speaker 1: on the American version were like stereotypically hotter and like
Speaker 1: so much more cast, whereas like the British version like
Speaker 1: launched the careers of like uh one direction and like
Speaker 1: sher Lloyd who was a thing for a little while,
Speaker 1: and Leona Lewis well, like I don't know what happened.
Speaker 1: I think they just see like some like you know,
Speaker 1: some like teen sevens and they're like, yeah them, put
Speaker 1: them in a group, we'll figure it out. One of
Speaker 1: them will pop. You know what I liked about American
Speaker 1: I know they were like early seasons, was like they
Speaker 1: the contestants just looked like the little normies, like normal people.
Speaker 1: Kelly Clarkson, Kelly Clarkson, like I mean, like Kimberly Locke.
Speaker 1: For God's sake, it's like British baking show. If they
Speaker 1: did that in America. They were doing in America they
Speaker 1: couldn't find, but like the host they would They would
Speaker 1: have recast the hosts immediately. They would have brought them
Speaker 1: in for auditions to give the material about how the
Speaker 1: show should run. And then they would have been like,
Speaker 1: fuck you guys, we're recasting you as like a hot
Speaker 1: little twenty one year old um, you know, and like
Speaker 1: have her parent there takes on baking. You know that's horrible.
Speaker 1: I mean, aren't they doing that? Isn't there a great
Speaker 1: American baking show? Now? I don't know that. I've actually
Speaker 1: had a blind spot here for the British breaker for
Speaker 1: me to start. Maybe I watch it over Christmas loves it.
Speaker 1: I hate most competitive reality like it, but it makes
Speaker 1: me too hungry. Yeah, that's that's the trouble with food shows,
Speaker 1: is that to get hungry? What a world? Trump's America.
Speaker 1: I just started saying the trouble with food, which she
Speaker 1: never is. Far from my break. It's going to have
Speaker 1: like a spirit animal person. It's her And that got
Speaker 1: me in a lot of trouble when I was like
Speaker 1: in sixth grade and I was acting like her and
Speaker 1: trying to also be like little straight boy like I
Speaker 1: would say the things that she said in school you
Speaker 1: can't do. I mean like I was saying like ducka
Speaker 1: ducka ducka like. She was semi famous for saying like
Speaker 1: awkward things. She was like the girl next door from Texas,
Speaker 1: and I would literally she inspired me to be like her.
Speaker 1: She was truly my American idol. This is what I
Speaker 1: did in school. Um and I my god, this is
Speaker 1: a shameful admission. The Trump episode of SNL in two
Speaker 1: thousand four or five. I brought the tape. I taped it.
Speaker 1: I brought into school to show my science teacher who
Speaker 1: was a huge apprentice, and we were everyone was watching
Speaker 1: the Apprentice and Donald Trump. No no, no no, no, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: but not true. No. I loved Oma Rosa, who was
Speaker 1: now in Trump's transition team and is a despicable human being. Um,
Speaker 1: but Maya Rudolph did an update like like sort of
Speaker 1: walk on character as Oma Rosa and like ship falls
Speaker 1: on her head and it's so funny. I showed it
Speaker 1: to I showed it to my science teacher and I
Speaker 1: was like, man, the Apprentice is the best show, isn't it?
Speaker 1: And then she and I are both like yeah, and
Speaker 1: that's just a dark And do you feel like as
Speaker 1: a nerdy kid, I'm I'm sort of like projecting, but like,
Speaker 1: do you feel like you had those moments where you
Speaker 1: would bring something into school or like go above and beyond?
Speaker 1: And then later you'd be like, why was I trying
Speaker 1: so hard just just to the regular? What was that?
Speaker 1: There there one that stands out for you? I'm trying
Speaker 1: to think, I know. I definitely gave one of my
Speaker 1: teachers in high school like a magazine I was reading
Speaker 1: because it was like I was like, oh, you'll like
Speaker 1: this article, you know, like just like step where you're
Speaker 1: like and it was like it was like my lesbian
Speaker 1: ap history teacher, and I was like, you're gonna like this.
Speaker 1: It was like about um. It was about like how
Speaker 1: they marketed cigarettes to kids or something, and she loved it.
Speaker 1: But then you look back and you're like, what was
Speaker 1: I doing? Why? Yeah, because we kids and we want
Speaker 1: to impress adults. I love. Do you have one of those? God? Yeah?
Speaker 1: So do you guys? Remember the two poets Relaine and Rimbo.
Speaker 1: They had like a weird love affair and one of
Speaker 1: them tried to shoot the other because it was a
Speaker 1: really Yeah. So my friend, my friend Dustin and I
Speaker 1: like wrote this whole song about the like romantic age
Speaker 1: of poetry, and we made like a whole music video
Speaker 1: of these like two game and like having a like
Speaker 1: tumultuous relationship and eventually killing each other. And I was like,
Speaker 1: really quirky. We made a whole video back before there
Speaker 1: was like I movie. And then we're like, here, class,
Speaker 1: here it is, and they're like, does not. I mean, honestly,
Speaker 1: I'm proud of it. I mean I just think it's
Speaker 1: an adult you Like you can envision the other kids
Speaker 1: in that classroom and you're like, oh, they hated me.
Speaker 1: Like ready, I wrote my social study during seventh grade.
Speaker 1: We were studying um American history, and we were talking
Speaker 1: about the Revolution and we were talking about the Boston
Speaker 1: massacre and the trial that followed so famously it was
Speaker 1: won by the defense, so um uh. And I was
Speaker 1: John Adams and I was the defense attorney, and we
Speaker 1: basically had to just recreate the trial. It was just
Speaker 1: like like a recreation of the trial that followed the
Speaker 1: Boston massacretcy, who was that wrong? Historically? My character one?
Speaker 1: But I came with a nine page closing argument that
Speaker 1: I did for the class, and I personally attacked people
Speaker 1: in the class for the way they had acted during
Speaker 1: the trial. I was like, Paul Revere came up here
Speaker 1: and couldn't even get through his testimony and I but
Speaker 1: it was like half historical grounds and I historically we won, Yeah,
Speaker 1: but you were like subtweeting everyone in the room. But seriously,
Speaker 1: and they and it was so long, and I lost,
Speaker 1: and they voted against me because I was was too good.
Speaker 1: And my slof Studies teacher came up to me because
Speaker 1: he could tell I was really upset, and he was like,
Speaker 1: I just want to let you know that was a
Speaker 1: really good piece of writing and I'd love a copy
Speaker 1: of it. And I like love Paul this day because
Speaker 1: he liked that. He took that to the teacher's lounge
Speaker 1: and they giggled over him. Oh my god, that's that's
Speaker 1: pretty special. Do you have one? Well, I mean it
Speaker 1: was that everything. Um, I think it was. I got.
Speaker 1: Really it was that. But then like as far as
Speaker 1: an academic thing goes, like in our drama class or no,
Speaker 1: it was just an English class, but we got the
Speaker 1: fuck into sonnets. I got the poetry was a whole thing.
Speaker 1: So I brought in like comical sonnets about like taking
Speaker 1: a ship and like like like farting in in a
Speaker 1: piano lesson, like stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid. I still remember
Speaker 1: a line I wrote in my one of my poems
Speaker 1: that in a writing in eighth grade, ninth grade, and
Speaker 1: it was the poem was called Venom, and the line was,
Speaker 1: I hope that you choke on one of your lies
Speaker 1: and you know what it's like to suffocate. And I
Speaker 1: wrote that down and set it out out through my class,
Speaker 1: and then my teacher missed Amiko was like, wow, there's
Speaker 1: nothing else to say. That's very passionate that we're looking for.
Speaker 1: But I felt and that was like at the time
Speaker 1: when I was listening to like a lot of like
Speaker 1: Aril Avril Levine and like Kelly Clarkson, and so there
Speaker 1: by therefore by proxy like checking out Atlantis Morris set
Speaker 1: because that was there. Yeah, very good. I have a
Speaker 1: theory about this because I also got very into poetry
Speaker 1: when that was like what was offered in seventh grade.
Speaker 1: And I think it's just so little of our curriculum
Speaker 1: was like creativity base, and there were so few outlets
Speaker 1: to like actually do anything creative in school. So when
Speaker 1: that came up and they were like, now you guys
Speaker 1: get to write something, we were all the little like
Speaker 1: nerdy sensitive kids were like, Okay, I want to know
Speaker 1: what I think. I have feelings over here a lot.
Speaker 1: But also they weren't your real feeling performative things that
Speaker 1: like you could maybe kind of hearing the pop songs. Yeah,
Speaker 1: oh my god, can we talk about Okay, because I
Speaker 1: wanted to ask you this question because this is a
Speaker 1: unique position that you're in listening now. Yeah, first of all,
Speaker 1: let's let's say there is stars Bran and maybn Beth
Speaker 1: and Peter mcnerny's kids. You must follow them on Instagram
Speaker 1: because they're unbelievable. I think Brent is actually a comedic
Speaker 1: already a star, and now I feel like you are
Speaker 1: in an amazing position because we ask our guests usually
Speaker 1: what culture shaped you? But now you get to kind
Speaker 1: of steer these kids into what kind of culture they're
Speaker 1: getting up there? They're seeing and I know some some stuff,
Speaker 1: but what is what are Britain may even like, what
Speaker 1: are they watching? What are they what are they discussing? Well,
Speaker 1: it changes week two weeks. I think he probably saw
Speaker 1: on Instagram this week it was Secret Life of Home Alone.
Speaker 1: Secret Life of Pets was like musically a very big
Speaker 1: hit for them because it has like big pop song um,
Speaker 1: and they both were just shaken around to it. Um.
Speaker 1: Shaking around Home Alone is actually like not really grabbing brand.
Speaker 1: Like he enjoyed that scene because we kind of like
Speaker 1: put in front of him. But the show, the movie
Speaker 1: as a whold is not like have enough like music
Speaker 1: or cartoons for him to be drawn in. I guess
Speaker 1: he probably just knows the screenplay logistically is a huge mess.
Speaker 1: I'm saying, I don't know. I don't think so, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know. He's um. Lately, he's been pretty into
Speaker 1: the movie inside out, which is teaching him about feeling,
Speaker 1: which I think it's good for him because he's like
Speaker 1: mimicking the emotion. Oh yeah, we've seen that. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: he's like he was like a couple of weeks ago,
Speaker 1: he was like crying about something and I was like,
Speaker 1: what's going on. He's like, I sad, Like he had
Speaker 1: a name to put to it, so that was good.
Speaker 1: Um what else? He was rullly into cars for a
Speaker 1: while that I was going to say, yeah, I haven't
Speaker 1: seen it. Well, I guess is this part of Matt's question,
Speaker 1: like is there stuff that you and Peter want to
Speaker 1: eventually introduce to Brita Like yeah, I mean we definitely
Speaker 1: like started a little bit, but some stuff is too
Speaker 1: old for him. Like Peter pushed like Dumbo pretty hard,
Speaker 1: which I'm not. It's just one of those things like
Speaker 1: whatever movie you watched eight million times as a child,
Speaker 1: you kind of wanted to see how your child reacts
Speaker 1: to it, So that was his thing. He also likes
Speaker 1: The Wizard of Oz, but that's like too old for
Speaker 1: a Brandon and I pushed Mary Poppins because that's like
Speaker 1: my childhood thing growing up. That was like, why you're
Speaker 1: so dark. Yeah, I am so hard. We had in
Speaker 1: my household, we owned two videos for most of my childhood,
Speaker 1: and it was The Wizard of Oz and Mary Poppins.
Speaker 1: And the Wizard of Oz was terrifying to me, so
Speaker 1: we watched Mary Poppins over and over again. But so
Speaker 1: he was like pretty into that. Um and that's where
Speaker 1: he I don't know if you've seen his instagrams where
Speaker 1: he tells jokes, but that is from a Mary Poppins
Speaker 1: scene where they sing I love to laugh and they talked.
Speaker 1: So we love the awareness of how funny he knows
Speaker 1: he is. Yeah, he says regularly, I'm so funny. So
Speaker 1: you know he's now aware of his power. I think
Speaker 1: I clocked this early on because one of the first
Speaker 1: brand videos that I clocked this Peter I called Instagram
Speaker 1: instagrams Peter posted. I think it was like the second
Speaker 1: ever brand video of Brand just I think he must
Speaker 1: have not even been a year old, maybe it was
Speaker 1: like a year and a half, two years old, sitting
Speaker 1: at on his high chair and Peter just from camera
Speaker 1: off screen is doing a little a little bit of
Speaker 1: the sound and then Brian mimics it. Yeah, and then
Speaker 1: Peter laughs and then as the response, Brent starts laughing
Speaker 1: and it was one of the most for the most heartwork.
Speaker 1: We're also blown away, I think because we don't have
Speaker 1: any children to watch, were like literally watching and be like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, this is how it works. No, I
Speaker 1: think it's fun for us as like creative people to
Speaker 1: have kids that have like creative impulses and like over
Speaker 1: probably overly nurtured them. Um, because our our parents were
Speaker 1: like not always like super into our creativity. So it's
Speaker 1: like we're probably like like nurturing it too much. But
Speaker 1: it's fun to watch. I think it's great we're creating
Speaker 1: beautiful monsters. Like Brian is like a natural performer and
Speaker 1: he loves attention, so like anytime you are into him
Speaker 1: repeating something, he's like, Okay, here you go. I said,
Speaker 1: the most surprising, consistent and prolific performer in this community.
Speaker 1: And he doesn't even know it now. Yeah, he hasn't
Speaker 1: awareness of the camera that I don't even have at
Speaker 1: this where I'm like, oh, I need to like blink less.
Speaker 1: And there was there was this weird moment a few
Speaker 1: months ago where I was filming him on the phone
Speaker 1: and he knew I was filming him, so he was
Speaker 1: kind of performing for the phone. And then at a
Speaker 1: certain point it's like I was like, you know, filling
Speaker 1: up my phone too much, so I turned off the
Speaker 1: record and he was like he could tell that I
Speaker 1: wasn't recording and that I was just going through the motions,
Speaker 1: and he kind of like called me out on it.
Speaker 1: He was like, was like no, like like it's just
Speaker 1: like so funny, Like he could sense, like he was like,
Speaker 1: this needs to be a command. I mean, that's ye,
Speaker 1: that's the X factor. That's the other side of the
Speaker 1: coin to like that baby trying to flip, entrepreneur trying
Speaker 1: to zoom into a book, you know, and this is
Speaker 1: like the other side of that, where it's like this
Speaker 1: is this is a good thing that technology is giving
Speaker 1: to well. I have to say, if there's one that
Speaker 1: I want everyone to watch, and this, to me is
Speaker 1: the iconic one. It's Bryn gets on the phone and
Speaker 1: has a conversation in gibberish, fullerish, nothing, but the inflections
Speaker 1: are so that you will follow the conversation every step
Speaker 1: of the way, and it's there's a perfect pauses and
Speaker 1: he really is listening, and then he's just like, no, no,
Speaker 1: this is done. But it's just like yes and those
Speaker 1: in affirmatives and it's mind blowing, my god. And then
Speaker 1: Peter goes are they saying bye? And he goes bye bye,
Speaker 1: and then he hangs it up iconic. Yeah, guys, everyone watching,
Speaker 1: it's not Peter's handles. I think that's a Peter. That's
Speaker 1: a Peter one, I think. But this is a great
Speaker 1: channel strategy, two separate accounts to synchronize, because then one
Speaker 1: day Britain will want to have an Instagram and then
Speaker 1: and you'll have a mass the followings of both of you,
Speaker 1: and it's gonna be a very popular team, very popular team.
Speaker 1: Speaking of content, I had this, like genuine question now
Speaker 1: now that we're like post election, is there, have you
Speaker 1: guys had these any meetings so far to talk about
Speaker 1: any I don't know, like tactical or like onsensus stupid
Speaker 1: like strategy shifts like post election, just like in terms
Speaker 1: of like the way you write things or the way
Speaker 1: you cover things or whatever. I mean, we've had like
Speaker 1: informal conversations about it, Like there's definitely like baseline, We're
Speaker 1: never gonna waste their time covering like Trump's small hands
Speaker 1: or like we're like that just like any kind of
Speaker 1: like normalization like you would a normal president, Like that's
Speaker 1: not but yeah, we've agreed like the Trump residencies a
Speaker 1: women's issue, so like that at his fair game on Reductress.
Speaker 1: But it's yeah, we've like I don't know, I guess
Speaker 1: we've had a lot of these conversations like in our
Speaker 1: own heads. But that's that's kind of like a thing
Speaker 1: we had about Trump already was like we're not going
Speaker 1: to do like the small hand stuff and we're not
Speaker 1: gonna like take the easy jokes because it's like why,
Speaker 1: I guess when everyone else is doing that, Like I
Speaker 1: don't know. I also have like ever since, ever since
Speaker 1: he was like hitting like mass media coverage early in
Speaker 1: the election and people were like, stop covering him, he's
Speaker 1: getting all his attention, but then everyone just kept covering him.
Speaker 1: My feeling is sort of like it's sort of he's
Speaker 1: sort of like an abuser. Like we keep having these
Speaker 1: sex scant like sex assault sexual assault scandals in our community,
Speaker 1: and I'm sort of like every time it happens, I'm like,
Speaker 1: it's not about that guy, It's about us all trying
Speaker 1: to protect ourselves from these types of guys. It's not
Speaker 1: this one guy. So like when I talk about it,
Speaker 1: I don't like to be like so and so did
Speaker 1: this blah blah blah, I hate and so I want
Speaker 1: to talk about like why do these people behave this way?
Speaker 1: And how are we not looking out for women and
Speaker 1: blah blah blah. So when it comes to Trump, I
Speaker 1: still am just like I don't want to do a
Speaker 1: lot of Trump coverage. I don't want to like I mean,
Speaker 1: we do cover him, for sure, but like when it's justified, yeah,
Speaker 1: like how can we talk about this and how can
Speaker 1: we talk about the forces that play without just being
Speaker 1: like Trump is a bad man? Well, what's so great
Speaker 1: about reductress? I think just as someone that enjoys the
Speaker 1: comedy of is how specific it always is, So like
Speaker 1: you don't want to do just like this. You expect
Speaker 1: like to hear something about you know, um Trump, and
Speaker 1: maybe that's it's just like it's something specific that pertains
Speaker 1: to It is in the voice of your magazine, and
Speaker 1: so like that has to be right. And my question
Speaker 1: might have been like a little simplistic then just to
Speaker 1: be like, well, since the president, since the presidency is
Speaker 1: now a women's is like a very gendered thing now
Speaker 1: has to have things changed. But maybe that's not even
Speaker 1: that that might be a lazy or something ahead. It's
Speaker 1: a good question. I do think like there there was
Speaker 1: definitely some questioning ourselves after the election of like are
Speaker 1: we being too smug? You know? And I think everyone's
Speaker 1: asking themselves like have we been a little bit smug?
Speaker 1: Is liberals like assuming we were going to win this
Speaker 1: thing and just being like, oh, they're dumb, you know,
Speaker 1: And now we're sort of like, how do you like
Speaker 1: actually reach out to people? And like, I don't know,
Speaker 1: but I think it's what we were just saying, is
Speaker 1: that there's power and sort of not pointing or mentioning
Speaker 1: the thing. I don't know. It's like, well, I would
Speaker 1: imagine that the way because you guys get pitches from
Speaker 1: all the writers, so it's like, you guys look at
Speaker 1: all the pictures you get and is maybe this is
Speaker 1: a question, I guess is it more Wow, let's sit
Speaker 1: down and talk about what we want to do and
Speaker 1: then let's look at everything, or you just kind of
Speaker 1: look at what you have and like look at the
Speaker 1: kind of thoughts that you guys are getting and then
Speaker 1: say this feels right, or like for topical stuff, we
Speaker 1: do a lot of that chat in house because it's
Speaker 1: a lot of like, Okay, we know this broad thing
Speaker 1: is a problem, but like let's break it down to
Speaker 1: the like micro is shoes, and a lot of it's
Speaker 1: just like throwing that micro issue out and seeing what
Speaker 1: people have on it, and a lot of that stuff
Speaker 1: is done the house. I mean, every once in a
Speaker 1: while we get like freaking home runs out of people
Speaker 1: from outside. But topical, I think like a group effort
Speaker 1: makes all the difference in terms of really being specific
Speaker 1: and not just being like the Trump stucks. Yeah. I also,
Speaker 1: like one of my comedy philosophies, I like, if you're
Speaker 1: doing a topical joke about the thing that everyone's talking about,
Speaker 1: you kind of do want to hit the nail on
Speaker 1: the head in terms of what the thing is. Like
Speaker 1: you want to have an original take on that topic,
Speaker 1: but you don't want to like skirt the issue at hand.
Speaker 1: So it's like, obviously we're not as mainstream as like SNL,
Speaker 1: but we do want to like speak to people about
Speaker 1: like what's actually on their mind, So we don't need
Speaker 1: like the most creative like philosophical side issue part of
Speaker 1: this joke. I don't know. Um there was a headline
Speaker 1: in the wake of that whole sexual assault um stuff
Speaker 1: at U c B what that one? It would one
Speaker 1: just like really like blew me away. It was I
Speaker 1: made up my sexual assault for all the attention, So
Speaker 1: I anonymously reported my rape for the anonymous attention. Brilliant,
Speaker 1: Like I just thought it's so good, unbelievable that I
Speaker 1: was like that says it right there. I mean, like
Speaker 1: how you you read this and like what are you
Speaker 1: going to say? Like the whole thing was such nonsense.
Speaker 1: I mean, but I mean and and this gets back
Speaker 1: to topicality and hitting the issue on the head. Um. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that whole page that that one day was just one
Speaker 1: of I mean it was just the circumstances were horrible
Speaker 1: surrounding it, but just like a very satisfying thing, just
Speaker 1: or not satisfying, but at least like I don't know
Speaker 1: it's comforting is not the right word either, but you
Speaker 1: know what I mean like that, like it was it
Speaker 1: was cathartic for us in the office whatever like attention
Speaker 1: it did. It didn't get like we felt better at
Speaker 1: the end of the day, just being like the is
Speaker 1: how we feel. Sometimes you just want someone to say
Speaker 1: what you're feeling, just like yeah, because we were, oh god,
Speaker 1: we felt so shitty in the office that week, like
Speaker 1: nobody was getting anything done. Like if we weren't going
Speaker 1: to attack with the thing that was wearing us down, like,
Speaker 1: we would have just been shitty all week. So it
Speaker 1: was it was good to just approach that. It sucks
Speaker 1: that it's now an issue again, and now we realize
Speaker 1: like the way the new cycle goes, it's like, oh,
Speaker 1: we're going to be constantly like dealing with abortion stuff,
Speaker 1: We're constantly going to be dealing with rape culture, and
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's insane. Like in addition to us
Speaker 1: just having elected uh basically someone who's committed sexual assault
Speaker 1: to like the highest office in our country, is like
Speaker 1: we like we haven't had I personally feel like I
Speaker 1: haven't had like a vacation or like a break this
Speaker 1: year that hasn't been heavily dominated by like rape allegations,
Speaker 1: like because it keeps coming up. And I mean I
Speaker 1: know that's like sort of like um, like a very
Speaker 1: like privilege problem to have that I'm like, oh, my
Speaker 1: vacation is dominated by like discussing someone else's like sexual thought,
Speaker 1: Like obviously it's not as bad as like living it,
Speaker 1: to be sure, but it's just like it's constantly there,
Speaker 1: you know, like it's just our whole lives. This year
Speaker 1: has been it's just been one after another, but it's
Speaker 1: always been happening. We're just now aware of it. And
Speaker 1: it's just like every other freaking problem in the world,
Speaker 1: like we know so much now and now we have
Speaker 1: to do something about it, Like having to explain to
Speaker 1: my relatives who legitimately think that all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: these Black Lives Matter people are being out of control.
Speaker 1: It's like, no, they're just now giving given the opportunity
Speaker 1: to speak out about this because they're able to record
Speaker 1: it on their phones. Like the media is so I mean,
Speaker 1: and just technology now is so sensitive. We can we
Speaker 1: can get these things on camera. For years, we haven't
Speaker 1: been able to get them on camera. And you know
Speaker 1: what's amazing about that too, is like when did camera
Speaker 1: phones become like ubiquitous two thousand eight? And I will
Speaker 1: tell you, ask any concern whatever whatever in your family
Speaker 1: and they're like, huh, kind of weird that Ever since
Speaker 1: Obama was elected, Black lives matter was the thing, and
Speaker 1: it's like, oh, I wonder why. Yeah, right, it's shocking.
Speaker 1: It's they really, these Trump people, they really, they really
Speaker 1: go to bad and it doesn't matter what's logical, and
Speaker 1: even Moore doesn't matter what's sensical. And you know, on
Speaker 1: the flip side, it's like, sometimes I think about myself,
Speaker 1: you know, what was I willing to do that for
Speaker 1: my Candida? And I think it is partially true. And
Speaker 1: I asked that. I'm like, if Kanye West ran on
Speaker 1: the Democratic ticket, would I vote for him over my sins?
Speaker 1: Marcar Rubio? Yeah, I mean, I don't know, I don't
Speaker 1: think about it. I would think about it real hard.
Speaker 1: But if he was running on the Democratic ticket, he
Speaker 1: wouldn't appoint a bunch of white supremacists to his cabinet, right,
Speaker 1: But yeah, there's that, there's that. But yeah, I do
Speaker 1: constantly ask myself, like, um, are Democrats actually better in
Speaker 1: practice or just in theory? Because I do think like
Speaker 1: I do think we're better on average, but when you
Speaker 1: look at like media and so many things were like
Speaker 1: in terms of representation, where we're just like shutting people
Speaker 1: of color out of every you know, high position and
Speaker 1: or like every TV show. You know, it's like, Okay,
Speaker 1: we're not doing so great, like we're not doing so reep.
Speaker 1: But look, this is what the Making Open podcast is
Speaker 1: sort of about, is that she realized that intention was
Speaker 1: like the big thing, like for for the Open Shuter
Speaker 1: transition from like just like trashy like tabloid TV to
Speaker 1: like almost spiritual things. She like Oprah, had to shift
Speaker 1: her thinking in terms of what she wanted to how
Speaker 1: she wanted to impact people. I feel like, as long
Speaker 1: as liberals are I mean when I say this as
Speaker 1: a person of color and a game in a gay
Speaker 1: man and all this stuff um as, I feel like,
Speaker 1: as long as liberals honestly mean well, hopefully the rest
Speaker 1: of everything else falls into place. That sounds like a
Speaker 1: very You know, sometimes I think there is the absolute
Speaker 1: um not like self belief that you would do mean well,
Speaker 1: but there is that that black hole or that kind
Speaker 1: of like what's it like a like a blind spot
Speaker 1: where it's like, you know, you took to your computer
Speaker 1: in the morning to speak about social issues. Meanwhile, like
Speaker 1: the person that voted for Trump like has like a
Speaker 1: foot of snow at their door and they can't afford
Speaker 1: to shovel so they were doing dealing with that and
Speaker 1: didn't have time to think about the social issue and
Speaker 1: don't know what the social issue is. And because they
Speaker 1: don't know what it is, they can't have an opinion
Speaker 1: on it, and so they're just trying to like, oh,
Speaker 1: they know is it's bad, and I have to I
Speaker 1: have to vote. So it's like I'm really trying to
Speaker 1: get to the I'm trying to think, how can we
Speaker 1: get to the point where we can all really even
Speaker 1: begin to be on the same time of a middle class,
Speaker 1: have a strong middle class. I think people in media
Speaker 1: I have to like be a little more comfortable. I
Speaker 1: think like not having such like uh like intellectual hot
Speaker 1: take and just like being informative on a really basic level.
Speaker 1: Because I think that's the thing that conservatives and like
Speaker 1: Trump especially has done, is like they have these slogans
Speaker 1: that are like, make America great again, and to like
Speaker 1: the average person that has to get their kids to
Speaker 1: school and pay their rent and whatever, they're like, Okay,
Speaker 1: sounds good, Like I don't have time for a lot
Speaker 1: more than that. So if you could just make it digestible.
Speaker 1: The Democratic message was an anti message. It was in
Speaker 1: response to that. It wasn't like a statement of itself there,
Speaker 1: It's like, what are you talking about yet? For you,
Speaker 1: I just saw a picture of Hillary Clinton and Barack
Speaker 1: Obama clinking wine glasses in the sky. It's like that,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like, I don't know, it's
Speaker 1: it's something to think about, and I really don't. I
Speaker 1: don't want to feel scared saying it's something to think
Speaker 1: about because now you get online and it's like you
Speaker 1: can't say the right thing, but you know, end it
Speaker 1: becomes scary, which is I think what like kind of
Speaker 1: what you were saying before, it's like, not only is
Speaker 1: there not a break from it in the news cycle,
Speaker 1: there's not a break from it in the Facebook feed.
Speaker 1: Like it's not this place where you just go to
Speaker 1: to do stupid bits anymore. Like what I loved about
Speaker 1: it was like, you know, when we would do dumb
Speaker 1: Instagram bits. I want it back. But I know, I think,
Speaker 1: like what you were saying about intention is I think
Speaker 1: like beyond intention, I think liberals has to be okay
Speaker 1: with things being actually a little bit of work, and
Speaker 1: I think like we want that, we want to be
Speaker 1: like I'm on the right side of this. I just
Speaker 1: signed a petition, Boom done, and like it's like, if
Speaker 1: you want to have more diverse representation in whatever field
Speaker 1: you work in, it's harder than that. You have to
Speaker 1: actually reach out to people you don't know and like
Speaker 1: go out of your way to do that, and the
Speaker 1: first diverse person you ask is going to be unavailable
Speaker 1: and you have to be like, I know, diverse person
Speaker 1: is like a weird thing to say whatever, but you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, like you, it's like it's actual workings,
Speaker 1: and like to undo the legacy of slaver. Really slavery
Speaker 1: is not like boom, we fixed it. Like we have
Speaker 1: to like actually do something about that. I have a
Speaker 1: question for you guys. Did you guys watch Westworld? Yeah, so,
Speaker 1: did you guys have a hard time with it in
Speaker 1: the beginning because of like the the kind of violence
Speaker 1: against women because it kind of got like a like
Speaker 1: a weird rap in the beginning because it was a
Speaker 1: very hbosh kind of show where it was like, treat
Speaker 1: women horribly. Yeah, I mean, but I understand why I
Speaker 1: was there. I'm not like triggered by that stuff. Like
Speaker 1: because like, of course, if there was like a robot world,
Speaker 1: men would fucking ripe. Yeah, it made sense to me.
Speaker 1: I don't know, I just yeah, I'm like, oh, that's
Speaker 1: the world as I see it. Yeah, that's That's the
Speaker 1: thing I have trouble with is like certain people criticizing
Speaker 1: the show for violence against women, or criticizing any show
Speaker 1: for like nudity or whatever, and I'm just like, but
Speaker 1: rape does hopen that the world, So are we never
Speaker 1: allowed to depict it? And then what's the scenario where
Speaker 1: in if we just never depict the reality we live in?
Speaker 1: And even when it's going to take a stance, even
Speaker 1: even the fact that that show is about the fact
Speaker 1: that like this is like where it's gotten to in
Speaker 1: this world where entertainment is rape and violence and all
Speaker 1: these things. Like, but people are like, well it still
Speaker 1: did like use it for viewers, And it's like, so, wait,
Speaker 1: are we in this weird kind of like paradox where
Speaker 1: we can never talk about it? And like, how how
Speaker 1: do you expect the visual medium to address this thing? Exactly? No?
Speaker 1: I think I mean, like we have to accept because
Speaker 1: it's so much more insidious when we don't talk about
Speaker 1: it directly. And I feel this way about this KKK
Speaker 1: show on any two, Like granted I haven't seen it,
Speaker 1: so who knows. It could be It could be extremely
Speaker 1: poorly executed. But to actually like see that on screen,
Speaker 1: I don't A reasonable person, right, a person who could
Speaker 1: be on the fence of X and Y should not
Speaker 1: be like, that's a good idea. But when we just
Speaker 1: don't talk about it and we just have our like
Speaker 1: weird racist uncles who say like things under their breath,
Speaker 1: even I don't know, I think that's much more dangerous,
Speaker 1: don't because those people vote and they don't talk about it.
Speaker 1: But you know, like kkk, we can point that and
Speaker 1: be like that's alive and well, I don't know. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Shaan King like wrote about that just the show, having
Speaker 1: seen the pilot. He was like, I think this is
Speaker 1: actually I think it's good that we're exposing these people.
Speaker 1: But at the same time, and you have to you
Speaker 1: have to do you have to weigh the risks something. Well,
Speaker 1: it's like, what's intention here? Is it to entertain and
Speaker 1: to sensationalized or is it to inform an exposure sense?
Speaker 1: The thing, I'm worried that because of the Duck dynasty situation, like, oh,
Speaker 1: this isn't going to be done well if it were
Speaker 1: an actual documentary that has a point. Supposedly people are
Speaker 1: involved are saying that it's done in the right tone.
Speaker 1: But I think it is one of those things where
Speaker 1: it's more of a big picture discussion than just that show,
Speaker 1: because that show on its own is not necessarily bad.
Speaker 1: But it's like, hey, Annie, like, are you represent people
Speaker 1: of color on any of your shows, Because if you're
Speaker 1: gonna do a show about racists, like maybe also have
Speaker 1: some other shows about like other groups of people. Have
Speaker 1: you guys watched um the leam Remini show it? But
Speaker 1: but it's um it's good, like the first three episodes
Speaker 1: and it's not good and that like yes, juicy, it's good,
Speaker 1: and like these people are really sharing these tough stories
Speaker 1: and it I would, I would say, impossible to watch
Speaker 1: it and not say, yeah, this can't. This has to go.
Speaker 1: I think that something's going to happen. Like the way
Speaker 1: that the show is moving along, it's just making such
Speaker 1: a clear case every episode really from every standpoint on
Speaker 1: why this cannot stand. Like and the next episode, I'm
Speaker 1: so excited because the next episode is going to be
Speaker 1: all about this David Miscavenge character who's like the Pope
Speaker 1: of scientology and this is going to like expose him
Speaker 1: and really go after him. And I think this guy
Speaker 1: is he is a really evil person that's living in
Speaker 1: this world. And I really I recommend watching the show
Speaker 1: just to get informed about it. I actually have a
Speaker 1: family friend that lost someone to scientology, and I can
Speaker 1: tell you, this isn't this thing that like and I
Speaker 1: feel bad even making jokes about it sometimes, like but
Speaker 1: because I know for a fact, this isn't this thing
Speaker 1: that exists out there. Um that like happens to people
Speaker 1: in California or Tampa. It happens to people everywhere. Like
Speaker 1: this is a real cult and it takes people away
Speaker 1: from their families, and I hope something goes down with it.
Speaker 1: Um yeah, But meanwhile Matt has been balancing that with
Speaker 1: Mariah's world and then you have its own way world.
Speaker 1: If you have to put one thing at the top
Speaker 1: of the list, it's Maria's and that's a light. That's
Speaker 1: a light in the world. Only because of all the
Speaker 1: side characters like talk about yes men, like the show
Speaker 1: was executive produced by Maria, who's horizontal the whole show.
Speaker 1: Just like always, I can't believe face beat to the gods,
Speaker 1: like she's just so it's so skewed. And the show
Speaker 1: was about how everyone around her was stressful in a
Speaker 1: problem except her. She's the one who keeps it all
Speaker 1: together beautiful. Did you ever see? It was like an
Speaker 1: MTV cribs that they went to her house and she
Speaker 1: like she put on like a teddy and like high
Speaker 1: heels and then went to her workout room and she
Speaker 1: was like, I don't know how to use any of this.
Speaker 1: She gets I like workout machine in her high heels
Speaker 1: and she's just like, how do you do that? It's
Speaker 1: so funny. She's insane. I mean, she was my first concert.
Speaker 1: She was like part of my childhood, Like I was
Speaker 1: a Mariah Stan Like I knew all the worst all
Speaker 1: the songs, Like she was my life. So now to
Speaker 1: see like what she is, which is like a true Frankenstein.
Speaker 1: You know what's really funny. Really, the funny thing is
Speaker 1: like when you were a kid, my mother was being
Speaker 1: like I remember Mariah when she was sweet, like nineties
Speaker 1: Mariah like she has just like devolved every decade. My
Speaker 1: My first CD was Mariah Carry and My Cool Aunt.
Speaker 1: Which album was it Dream Fantasy They Dream They Dream? Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was would like always be my baby, and that
Speaker 1: was that was her like kind of like she started
Speaker 1: to get more like upbeing than like a little bit
Speaker 1: of R and B was coming in. We had music
Speaker 1: box in the house and that had Hero on it
Speaker 1: and that was like her huge when she was like
Speaker 1: a torch song goddess. And then the album that like
Speaker 1: changed my life that's seven years old, Butterfly Butterfly, which
Speaker 1: was her first album outside of being married to her manager,
Speaker 1: who was like a true monster. I mean, marine's seen
Speaker 1: some shut Yeah, she's you can deny this, Okay, she's
Speaker 1: one of them. Like she's like a Britney Spears Michael
Speaker 1: Jackson level, like fucked up. I'm nervous for her. The
Speaker 1: show is nuts, show us nuts. I hope, I hope
Speaker 1: and I pray that she you know, she'll she'll make it.
Speaker 1: Apparently she has a sense of humors a good sign, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's that's like the kind of person like from your
Speaker 1: high school whenever you go over their house and the
Speaker 1: whole time you're just like wide eyed, like bugged out,
Speaker 1: like what is happening here? Like like they just have
Speaker 1: like the crazy mom that's like there's a dog behind
Speaker 1: a door. That's screaming carpet. What do you guys want
Speaker 1: to eat? Dogs? And then she has opened the fridge
Speaker 1: and it's empty. It's like made of red flags. Okay,
Speaker 1: so this is, um, what all of our listeners have
Speaker 1: been waiting for. This is the cornerstone of the episode
Speaker 1: is We'll take us to fame someday. It's I don't
Speaker 1: think so, honey. We take one minute to rail against
Speaker 1: something in culture and that is even just not that
Speaker 1: is even too specific. Talk about anything you want that
Speaker 1: to pissing you off, anything anyone, all the ticks and taxs,
Speaker 1: you just have to say, I don't think so, honey, guys,
Speaker 1: just just just a little thing. Um. Matt has are
Speaker 1: already coined so many indelible little phrases on this podcast.
Speaker 1: His newest one he's trying out is ticks and tax
Speaker 1: Just be on the lookout for that, so just you know,
Speaker 1: maybe try using it in in a sentence to Yeah, great, Matt,
Speaker 1: you have something. I don't have anything prepared. I have
Speaker 1: a little something. Okay, girl, Okay, can you put me
Speaker 1: on the clo I'll cut you in the cloths, so
Speaker 1: Matt and I'll do it first and then we'll hit
Speaker 1: it potentially in mind it will be a little bit
Speaker 1: of a spoiler, but I'm gonna try to keep it
Speaker 1: as clean as possible. But this is a culture podcast,
Speaker 1: and so I'd be remissed to not say my feelings
Speaker 1: about this particular thing. Here we go, um, Matt Rogers,
Speaker 1: I don't think, so honey, time starts now. I don't
Speaker 1: think so honey. Star Wars Rogue one and your animation
Speaker 1: on characters from the old movies, I don't think so honey.
Speaker 1: Grand mop Tarkness in this movie looking like super Mario.
Speaker 1: I don't think, so honey. Cast another actor. We know
Speaker 1: him well, Peter Cushing was his name, he played the character.
Speaker 1: I don't think, so honey. He comes in looking like
Speaker 1: someone from Halo video game. I don't think, so honey.
Speaker 1: I want to see human faces. You want to reboot
Speaker 1: this franchise. You want to give me strong female lets,
Speaker 1: I'm all about it, but also give me humanity, give
Speaker 1: me something I can latch onto. Don't give me um
Speaker 1: a human actor talking to a screen. And also at
Speaker 1: the end spoiler alert, Princess Leiah is in it looking
Speaker 1: like her face was about to slide off. She's in it.
Speaker 1: And also they used Carrie Fisher's old dialogue and I
Speaker 1: don't think so, honey. I want to hear Carrie Fisher
Speaker 1: right now. Attack this reality head on. She's a horsewoman,
Speaker 1: She's seen it. Her voice is she's she's been through it,
Speaker 1: she's been to Helen back, and I want to see
Speaker 1: the real Carrie Fisher on screen. There's not enough Carrie
Speaker 1: Fisher in film. That's one minute. Oh my god, my horsewomen,
Speaker 1: you mean you mean h r. Her voice now is
Speaker 1: just beautiful, but oh my god, but it's seen the years.
Speaker 1: And also the revelation that she and Harrison Ford were
Speaker 1: fucking all those dynamite love it you hear about this.
Speaker 1: She's come out and confessed that during the whole Star Wars,
Speaker 1: not only was she totally zoned out on coke, but
Speaker 1: she was also fucking Harrison Ford and the whole time.
Speaker 1: I mean, those movies are long, and apparently they were
Speaker 1: just on so such hard drugs filming those scenes like
Speaker 1: in it was just like god, apparently they were just
Speaker 1: do lines of coking then go on this and then
Speaker 1: like act and say this like insane dialogue. That's well,
Speaker 1: he's so proud anyway, I like the movie Rogue One.
Speaker 1: I just didn't agree with the way that they chose
Speaker 1: to recreate the old action the movie. It's a video game. Nonsense.
Speaker 1: You just spoil that for me just at the end
Speaker 1: of the movie, if you were curious about what happens
Speaker 1: um with the plans for the Death Star. A lot
Speaker 1: of Star Wars fans listen to this podcast. I think,
Speaker 1: so we're all out there. I think they'd be surprised.
Speaker 1: I think Star Wars is like pretty gay. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: a queer narrative for sure, I think so. Yeah, Luke, Luke, okay,
Speaker 1: choke up a system, chosen family. Yeah, okay, I don't
Speaker 1: have anything of our here. We can know, you know what?
Speaker 1: I got something. Maybe it would be nice to ask
Speaker 1: one of our gasts if they want to go. Did
Speaker 1: you guys want to go first? You go ready? I
Speaker 1: don't think so Honey starts Oh my god, wait, hold on, no,
Speaker 1: we don't have a lot of time. Okay, alright, fine, fine, fine, fine, fine,
Speaker 1: um you know what you goin starts now. I don't
Speaker 1: think so Honey's incompetent baristas. I know this is a
Speaker 1: well trod subject. I know, like every barista is like
Speaker 1: a bumbling fool. But I met one today that really
Speaker 1: just just really got to me and got under my skin.
Speaker 1: I asked, I went, this is at the Starbucks on
Speaker 1: Spring Street, and I want to say sixth Avenue, right
Speaker 1: across from Trump. Soho, I don't think it's a coincidence.
Speaker 1: So um uh. The their crafts of milk and dairy
Speaker 1: were out, so I just needed any type of dairy.
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey, this barista. I went up
Speaker 1: to this gentleman, I asked him for some half and
Speaker 1: happy he had some from behind the counter. He said, sure,
Speaker 1: but wait one minute, and he was meanwhile just trying
Speaker 1: to fucking chump up to some rich asshole who was
Speaker 1: just like hanging out the counter hovering. I don't think, so, honey,
Speaker 1: this barista. He took a solid ten minutes to get
Speaker 1: me any type of dairy, mama, And I just wanted
Speaker 1: to make my Americano less harsh, so it didn't run
Speaker 1: right through me. I don't think, so, honey, burist does
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey. Starbucks barristas who are not
Speaker 1: more training. That's one minute. That's one minute. I don't think.
Speaker 1: I just want to say I've had a lot of
Speaker 1: really positive experience with the stars, always undercut me always,
Speaker 1: I've had a really good time with them all this
Speaker 1: Christmas is that I'm in particular enjoying the peppermint mocha frappuccino.
Speaker 1: That's all good for you because I'm bravely still drinking frappuccinos,
Speaker 1: which they're cold. That's brave throughout this winter weather. Okay, great,
Speaker 1: I'm proud, Sarah, you're up. Wow. I'm going to process
Speaker 1: this in real time for what we just experienced outside,
Speaker 1: because I don't think so, honey. Starts now, I don't
Speaker 1: think so, honey. The old man yelling at his wife
Speaker 1: around the street, right outside on Runway, it's like, excuse me.
Speaker 1: He's like, I don't I can never do enough for you.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, oh, I know the backstory to this, honey.
Speaker 1: I know what you did, and I know this wife
Speaker 1: is just like he has no fucking idea what he does,
Speaker 1: but she's gonna say it, and he's just gonna be like,
Speaker 1: what do I do? It's Christmas? I'm so sad. When
Speaker 1: do I do? I don't think so, honey. Maybe just
Speaker 1: like listen to what she's saying and then maybe try
Speaker 1: to fix it. I don't know, or maybe just like
Speaker 1: don't yell on the street because let me tell you.
Speaker 1: We were walking down the street and we've walked an
Speaker 1: extra block. We walked an extra block. We were ten
Speaker 1: minutes late here because of this guy making a scene
Speaker 1: on the street. And I'm like, oh, I get it.
Speaker 1: It's all about you, honey. Oh my god, you've got
Speaker 1: listen to your wife. You're probably getting into divorce. Wow.
Speaker 1: A swift one at fifty seconds got the point I
Speaker 1: was just feeling in real time. We know exactly as
Speaker 1: now we have an explanation as to the lateness, but
Speaker 1: it was all worth it. Bath, can you corroborate this? Yeah,
Speaker 1: oh yeah it was me, Me who's spaced out. I
Speaker 1: was like, it was like a laser beam for me.
Speaker 1: I couldn't look away. Uh yeah, my god. But that
Speaker 1: is honestly, like, like you honestly have we have to
Speaker 1: figure out, as um, you know, a society how to
Speaker 1: respond to those things. I remember a friend of the show,
Speaker 1: previous guest dress in and a dressin has told me
Speaker 1: multiple times, unfamiliar friend of the show, front of the
Speaker 1: She's like talked about like just witnessing these horrible interactions
Speaker 1: between men and they're like significant others, and what do
Speaker 1: you do? Like? Do do you like? I don't know.
Speaker 1: It's you know what? Right for conversation? Okayast episode se Alright, Beth,
Speaker 1: here we go. Are you ready? Yeah? I picked out
Speaker 1: all right? Good? Great, here we go go. I don't
Speaker 1: think so, honey. People who think reverse sexism is a thing,
Speaker 1: take a look at power dynamics, take a look at history,
Speaker 1: take a look at right now and what's going on
Speaker 1: in this country. Women do not have more power than you.
Speaker 1: So just sit out and relax. Okay, us calling you
Speaker 1: out on your bullshit and your power and what you're
Speaker 1: doing to us is not the same as you walking
Speaker 1: all over us. Okay, I don't think so, honey. I
Speaker 1: know your little feelings are hurt because you've never experienced
Speaker 1: actual oppression, But I don't think so, honey, little white men,
Speaker 1: that is not oppression. Okay. I'm sorry you had to
Speaker 1: read a thing that made you reconcile what you are
Speaker 1: doing two people around you. I don't think so, honey.
Speaker 1: It's not happening. You are hurting people. You are the
Speaker 1: one that is hurting us. Okay, I don't think so, honey.
Speaker 1: Reverse sexism is not a thing. We got it. You
Speaker 1: know what we got. I think we got all the culture, social, political,
Speaker 1: We went cinematic. Yes, we got on the ground in
Speaker 1: New York City. And let's just pour it out for
Speaker 1: the men out there who are quick to defend accused
Speaker 1: sexual honestly, lighters up for the straight white men who
Speaker 1: get more upset when the Yankees lose than when a
Speaker 1: racist brings their whole crew to Washington. I see you
Speaker 1: screaming at the television. So I grew up with you
Speaker 1: all around me, and I have a lighter up for you.
Speaker 1: And Jimmy Buffett is playing guys, what an episode? I
Speaker 1: mean you guys. First of all, you must pick up
Speaker 1: the book How to Win the Feminism. Must It's so funny,
Speaker 1: it's so great. You must listen to the podcast mount
Speaker 1: of Time Now Time with um uh, the incredible, smart,
Speaker 1: brilliant Nicole Silverberg and the garbage Rachel truly a garbage bag.
Speaker 1: Future guests, maybe we'll see how we feel. If you're
Speaker 1: in l A, come see us at the Comedy Store
Speaker 1: in January six and on the seventeenth in San Francisco.
Speaker 1: At sketch first and how right Yeah, how you CB theater? Yeah,
Speaker 1: January twelve. I believe a great January stack, January terrible
Speaker 1: January event just as it surrounds the terrible January event.
Speaker 1: But what will happen We'll find out, we'll talk about it. Okay, girl,
Speaker 1: this has been Bow and this is Matt Rogers and
Speaker 1: this is the last culture racist podcast. Thank you so much,
Speaker 1: Forever Dog. I look you in the eye as I
Speaker 1: say that, baby, all right bye. This has been a
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