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Speaker 1: Tyros Dress. Hey Lou, it's me Roz. I'm doing good

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Speaker 1: today and sending out some emails getting us some new

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Speaker 1: Andrea Parrin and so good news for you, there's more

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Speaker 1: where that came from. So today will be the part

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Speaker 1: two of this conversation, and as always, go to patreon

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Speaker 1: dot com slash Roz dres Fales for little extra some

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Speaker 1: bonus clips. And this week we'll be talking about the

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Speaker 1: paranormal activity that happened on the set of the movie

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Speaker 1: The Conjuring, and so I'll talk about what I know

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Speaker 1: much just said nothing happened to her, but that was

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Speaker 1: her experience. But other people said other things happened. So

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Speaker 1: Andrea's experiences when the movie was being made in a

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Speaker 2: And what I saw. What I saw happen not only

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Speaker 2: solidified my faith in God as I prayed for my

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Speaker 2: mother's life, but it also taught me that there is pure,

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Speaker 2: unadulterated evil in the world. And it is with that

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Speaker 2: knowledge that I deliberately choose to live in the light.

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Speaker 2: M hmm, evil doesn't it doesn't, dare my mother? My

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Speaker 2: conjured the spirits and invited everything in to an already

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Speaker 2: supremely haunted house. So to determine who the actual culprit

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Speaker 2: not exist on this planet and likely never did. My

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Speaker 2: mother was screaming and writhing in pain. Her body wadded

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Speaker 2: And she threw her head back and howled like a banshee,

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Speaker 2: and then her chair levitated, and in a fraction of

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Speaker 1: Oh my god.

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Speaker 2: So you want to talk about fucking childhood trauma? There

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Speaker 2: it is there, It is right there.

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Speaker 2: Sorry, I don't mean to swear on your air, but uh.

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Speaker 1: Oh, you can say whatever the fuck you want.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, good, thank you. It's really it's an excellent word.

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Speaker 2: They had photographers taking still photographs of this. Everything. The

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Speaker 2: So you understand what I'm saying, Ross when I say

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Speaker 2: And she said to my mother the first night, she said, well,

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, when you think of the word conjuring,

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Speaker 2: More. Yeah, it's when I told them about when I

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Speaker 2: told the screenwriters and they read my books, and but

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Speaker 2: does not necessarily reflect well on them. Decisions. Big mistakes

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Speaker 2: But when they're pioneers in the field, for.

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Speaker 1: Sure, exactly, But when you're figuring this stuff out, it

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Speaker 1: What was happening? Where do we start? Right?

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Speaker 2: God, so much happened that Eden Lorraine Warren don't even

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Speaker 2: it requests that the reader suspend the notion of linear time.

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Speaker 1: So, you know, what kind of toll is this taking

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Speaker 2: Well, we all dealt with it differently, Roz, every one

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Speaker 2: She was living on coffee and cigarettes. She was constantly agitated,

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Speaker 2: I already knew what I wanted to do with my life,

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Speaker 1: And your family was there until eighty one, Is that right?

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Speaker 2: No? We left in June of nineteen eighty.

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Speaker 1: Eighty and so so you move out and you go on.

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Speaker 1: I mean, did you at what point were you more

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Speaker 2: This twenty oh eight. Really, I never mentioned anything about

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Speaker 2: that there was a reason he left the lights on

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Speaker 2: They raised a son there, and I feel certain that

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, So when did the movie? You know, the

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Speaker 1: you write the books. Did they approach you because of

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Speaker 2: About the war. Warrens wanted permission to tell our story.

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Speaker 2: And I had already started writing the books, but the

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00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:44,920
Speaker 2: first one wasn't even published yet. So, you know, I

433
00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:50,880
Speaker 2: have a lot of budding, hopeful screenwriters that contact me

434
00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:52,600
Speaker 2: all the time. Can you put me in touch with

435
00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:55,440
Speaker 2: a movie company. I'm like, you know, I'm sorry, but

436
00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:59,400
Speaker 2: Warner Brothers came to me. It wasn't the other way around.

437
00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:03,120
Speaker 2: I didn't go seeking any attention for this. I was

438
00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:07,600
Speaker 2: just starting the books when I got a call from

439
00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:13,120
Speaker 2: a movie producer that had actually called the woman who

440
00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:18,800
Speaker 2: owned the house at the time, and she called me

441
00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:22,040
Speaker 2: and said, there's a movie producer that wants to talk

442
00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:27,360
Speaker 2: to you about, you know, telling your story, and can

443
00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:31,400
Speaker 2: I give him your number. She has since lied through

444
00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:35,480
Speaker 2: her teeth about that, but that's exactly what happened, and

445
00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:38,880
Speaker 2: so I said yeah, and I spoke to him, and

446
00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:41,920
Speaker 2: it turned out to be one of the executive producers

447
00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:46,320
Speaker 2: of the Conjuring And that was in twenty oh seven.

448
00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:52,680
Speaker 2: That was in September or October of twenty oh seven,

449
00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:57,080
Speaker 2: and I started writing the books in August of that year.

450
00:31:57,520 --> 00:31:59,680
Speaker 1: Now, did those people that moved in after you guys,

451
00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:01,920
Speaker 1: did they have stories like this as well?

452
00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:05,360
Speaker 2: Not that they're willing to speak of publicly.

453
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:12,000
Speaker 1: M interesting, Yeah, but now, what was it about that

454
00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:14,280
Speaker 1: time of you writing the book that you're like, Okay,

455
00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:14,760
Speaker 1: it's time.

456
00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:18,880
Speaker 2: I don't know, I really don't. I mean, I had

457
00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:21,760
Speaker 2: a you know, I had a pretty good gig going.

458
00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:27,960
Speaker 2: I was a clinical I worked in a clinical capacity

459
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:33,800
Speaker 2: as a counselor at a private school. I was a

460
00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:36,360
Speaker 2: member of the theater company of Rhode Island. You know,

461
00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:38,680
Speaker 2: I did stage plays at night, worked all day and

462
00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:40,840
Speaker 2: went up to the theater and rehearsed all night.

463
00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:43,120
Speaker 1: Oh my god, she's a theater queen.

464
00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:47,120
Speaker 2: I am a theater total theater geek. I am. It's ridiculous, same,

465
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:51,400
Speaker 2: you know, I mean, really, honestly, Oh God, could we talk?

466
00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:55,160
Speaker 1: Why did they put you in the movie? Now, I'm mad?

467
00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:59,040
Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, no. I didn't want any no.

468
00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:02,080
Speaker 2: I I guess I knew that it wouldn't be an

469
00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:07,880
Speaker 2: accurate reflection of my family or our story. And I

470
00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:11,720
Speaker 2: just know I was a consultant on the film.

471
00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:14,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, how much were you involved?

472
00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:17,760
Speaker 2: I told them a whole bunch of stuff. They used

473
00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:24,320
Speaker 2: what they wanted, and I went out to the set

474
00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:27,960
Speaker 2: once with my family, minus my mother, who backed out

475
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:31,200
Speaker 2: on the trip at the very last minute. And interestingly,

476
00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:35,320
Speaker 2: you know, everybody that was involved with that film was

477
00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:39,800
Speaker 2: out on the set except my mother and Lily Taylor,

478
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:43,240
Speaker 2: the two matriarchs. Lily did not come out to the

479
00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:45,640
Speaker 2: set that day. She did not want to meet my

480
00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:48,160
Speaker 2: family before the film was over.

481
00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:52,360
Speaker 1: Well, it's so interesting because, like it is based on

482
00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:55,720
Speaker 1: a true story, which anytime I see based on true story,

483
00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:57,800
Speaker 1: I always say, well, so my wigs are based on

484
00:33:57,840 --> 00:33:58,440
Speaker 1: a true story.

485
00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:02,480
Speaker 2: Okay, right, you know, is it a grain of salt

486
00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:03,840
Speaker 2: or is it a pound of salt?

487
00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:08,160
Speaker 1: You know, I don't know exactly. So, I mean you

488
00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:13,120
Speaker 1: you were and you before the movie came out, you

489
00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:16,839
Speaker 1: were ready, you know, did you guys have conversations with

490
00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:18,799
Speaker 1: each other and go, you know, this is it's not

491
00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:21,680
Speaker 1: going to be exactly you know, it's it's it's we're

492
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:24,600
Speaker 1: very we're inspiring this because its also weird because they

493
00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:26,240
Speaker 1: use your real names and stuff.

494
00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:30,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, they had permission to do that. And basically, you know,

495
00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:35,320
Speaker 2: we were told by one of their attorneys, we're making

496
00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:38,839
Speaker 2: this movie. Whether or not your names are attached. We'll

497
00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:41,400
Speaker 2: just tell the story and change the names if you don't,

498
00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:45,120
Speaker 2: you know, want any part of this. So you know,

499
00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:47,759
Speaker 2: I already had two of the three books out. You know,

500
00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:50,680
Speaker 2: what the hell was I supposed to do? You know,

501
00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:53,040
Speaker 2: I just I told them, Yeah, I said, but I

502
00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:57,359
Speaker 2: want I want input, you know, I want input. And

503
00:34:57,440 --> 00:35:04,000
Speaker 2: so I co ordinated with producers and executive producers, and

504
00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:07,040
Speaker 2: you know, they listened to me and then they did

505
00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:11,600
Speaker 2: precisely what they wanted to do. And but you know,

506
00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:14,400
Speaker 2: and like I said before, I don't mean to criticize,

507
00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:19,279
Speaker 2: because they they did something that was impossible, you know,

508
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:23,680
Speaker 2: to compress a story that big into one hour and

509
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:30,040
Speaker 2: fifty two minutes is you know, of an impossible feat

510
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:36,320
Speaker 2: And frankly, I wouldn't be one of the very best authors,

511
00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:42,480
Speaker 2: you know, best sellers in paranormal had it not been

512
00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:45,040
Speaker 2: for the conjuring. You know, nobody would know our story.

513
00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:48,520
Speaker 2: My books would be languaging and obscurity like so many

514
00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:52,200
Speaker 2: other millions of books do because you know, no feature

515
00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:55,799
Speaker 2: film was ever made from the premise, you know, so

516
00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:59,200
Speaker 2: I'm very grateful to the conjuring. But there were a

517
00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:03,400
Speaker 2: cosmic kiss there, you know, the the universe told me

518
00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:08,319
Speaker 2: this is okay. And for a number of reasons, rus

519
00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:11,279
Speaker 2: there were several things. So the first time I saw

520
00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:15,320
Speaker 2: that film, and you know, the New Line Cinema, Warner

521
00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:20,800
Speaker 2: Brothers crew brought me out to California three months before

522
00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:24,520
Speaker 2: it premiered, and I brought my sister Cindy with me,

523
00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:27,239
Speaker 2: and Lorraine Warren was there with her son in law.

524
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:30,200
Speaker 2: So the four of us are sitting in the big

525
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:34,600
Speaker 2: VACUUMUS theater on the Warner Brothers lot watching this film

526
00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:39,200
Speaker 2: for the first time. And there's a scene where the

527
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:47,440
Speaker 2: camera pans around into what was my bedroom and there's

528
00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:51,640
Speaker 2: a folk art drawing of a white cat that's propped

529
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:55,600
Speaker 2: up on the mantleboard, and I'm staring at that picture

530
00:36:55,719 --> 00:37:00,680
Speaker 2: right now. They had no idea. I don't know if

531
00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:03,240
Speaker 2: it's paint by number or if it was just something

532
00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:07,000
Speaker 2: popular in the seventies that they found, you know, in

533
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:11,359
Speaker 2: their props department. But why, out of everything that they

534
00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:16,560
Speaker 2: could have chosen. Did they choose this picture that's hanging

535
00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:19,440
Speaker 2: here in my office that was given to me when

536
00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:22,000
Speaker 2: I was thirteen years old and we lived at the farm,

537
00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:24,759
Speaker 2: and I've had it all these years. I've had it

538
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:30,319
Speaker 2: for forty nine years. Wow, And there it is with

539
00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:32,960
Speaker 2: a wooden peace sign hanging next to it that I

540
00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:37,960
Speaker 2: also had. Now, you know, I didn't know the set designer.

541
00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:42,960
Speaker 2: I didn't know. You know, I never told anybody. They

542
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:48,520
Speaker 2: never saw any interior shots to my knowledge of the farmhouse.

543
00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:52,479
Speaker 2: And yet they chose, out of more than twenty five

544
00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:57,360
Speaker 2: thousand wallpaper patterns, they chose the exact one that we

545
00:37:57,440 --> 00:37:58,280
Speaker 2: had in the farm.

546
00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:00,400
Speaker 1: That's bad easy.

547
00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:06,240
Speaker 2: You know that Cindy goes, you know, little Mackenzie goes

548
00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:10,040
Speaker 2: running through the house holding a pair a set of

549
00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:13,560
Speaker 2: wind shines that were identical to the ones that we

550
00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:16,480
Speaker 2: had hanging on our front porch. You know, what the

551
00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:17,120
Speaker 2: hell is that?

552
00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:21,719
Speaker 1: How you really didn't see any pictures? Because when I

553
00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:24,440
Speaker 1: was watching you guys on Kindred Spirits going back to

554
00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:27,759
Speaker 1: that house, I mean again, I've seen them. I love

555
00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:30,759
Speaker 1: the Condrag movies. I've seen that when at least five

556
00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:33,080
Speaker 1: times in my life, and so I kind of have

557
00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:35,360
Speaker 1: an idea of what it looks like in the movie,

558
00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:39,160
Speaker 1: and I feel like it kind of like looks like

559
00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:42,759
Speaker 1: the real one, right, I mean, I'm sure for you

560
00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:44,920
Speaker 1: living in it, you can figure out all the time

561
00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:45,840
Speaker 1: it doesn't look.

562
00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:48,399
Speaker 2: Like it at all, not even because we were in

563
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:52,120
Speaker 2: that house and it bears no resemblance to it whatsoever.

564
00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:54,680
Speaker 1: Well, I saw pictures it used to be white, right

565
00:38:54,719 --> 00:38:56,000
Speaker 1: when you look, it used.

566
00:38:55,880 --> 00:39:00,600
Speaker 2: To be white, mm hmm. And yeah, no, the house

567
00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:03,160
Speaker 2: that they used in they had to go up into

568
00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:05,920
Speaker 2: the trees and pull out all the Spanish moss because

569
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:10,480
Speaker 2: of course Rhode Island doesn't have Spanish moss, and it

570
00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:16,840
Speaker 2: had a river running behind it, and we had a

571
00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:20,640
Speaker 2: river running behind our house, so you know, they shot

572
00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:24,799
Speaker 2: for some element of authenticity. It's had the same kind

573
00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:29,200
Speaker 2: of spooky feelings as our house did, but it really

574
00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:31,399
Speaker 2: didn't in any way look like it.

575
00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:34,680
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I just felt like kind the essence or

576
00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:36,680
Speaker 1: like maybe the basement or I don't know. I just

577
00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:38,040
Speaker 1: kind of got a vibe where I was like, this

578
00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:40,280
Speaker 1: kind of seems like it, but yeah, it.

579
00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:43,960
Speaker 2: Does, it really does. But no, they never they asked

580
00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:48,799
Speaker 2: me for two photographs. They asked for a photograph of

581
00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:54,840
Speaker 2: our entire family together, and we didn't have one because

582
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:58,160
Speaker 2: we were the ones taking the pictures. So the Easter

583
00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:04,920
Speaker 2: before we moved to the farm in nineteen seventy, we

584
00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:09,840
Speaker 2: had picture of the five of us, my sisters that

585
00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:12,920
Speaker 2: either my mother and my father took, and then I

586
00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:15,880
Speaker 2: took a picture of my mother and my father and

587
00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:19,600
Speaker 2: they kind of spliced it together and made the Paring family.

588
00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:23,360
Speaker 2: So because they wanted to have, you know, an original

589
00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:27,040
Speaker 2: picture of our family is close to when we moved

590
00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:30,759
Speaker 2: to the farm as possible, and that's you know, the

591
00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:34,040
Speaker 2: photographs that I sent them, the original photographs, and then

592
00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:35,960
Speaker 2: when they were done with them, they sent them back

593
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:39,120
Speaker 2: to me. So that was a leap of faith sending

594
00:40:39,160 --> 00:40:43,319
Speaker 2: the only copies of those photographs out to California, and

595
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:46,000
Speaker 2: I was very grateful to get them back in exactly

596
00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:48,239
Speaker 2: the same shape that they left's.

597
00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:52,400
Speaker 1: So, what is it like when you go back there.

598
00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:56,759
Speaker 2: To the farm? Yeah, oh, I love it. It's the

599
00:40:56,800 --> 00:40:59,160
Speaker 2: only place that has ever felt like home to me

600
00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:03,719
Speaker 2: my whole life life. Every place else feels temporary. It's

601
00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:06,799
Speaker 2: the only sense of permanence that I've ever had on

602
00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:07,640
Speaker 2: this planet.

603
00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:10,120
Speaker 1: And how often do you go back.

604
00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:14,359
Speaker 2: As often as I can. But there was a real

605
00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:17,800
Speaker 2: breakdown between the previous owner and myself when the film

606
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:24,520
Speaker 2: came out, and you know, she basically denied, you know,

607
00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:28,640
Speaker 2: after years and years and years of dragging one paranormal

608
00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:33,040
Speaker 2: investigative team after another through that farmhouse, when the movie

609
00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:36,520
Speaker 2: came out, she went on national TV and said, go away,

610
00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:39,319
Speaker 2: no ghosts here. The parent family made it all up,

611
00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:42,400
Speaker 2: which was, you know, a bold faced lie and she

612
00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:47,319
Speaker 2: knew it. And she just wanted people to stop trespassing

613
00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:50,000
Speaker 2: on her property. And I get that, but you don't

614
00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:52,719
Speaker 2: need to make you know, my family the scapegoat. I mean,

615
00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:56,920
Speaker 2: you know, she was on ghost Hunters okay back in

616
00:41:57,000 --> 00:42:00,960
Speaker 2: the like, you know, decades before when that show first premiered.

617
00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:03,800
Speaker 2: I didn't call them and send them to her. She did,

618
00:42:04,560 --> 00:42:07,560
Speaker 2: you know, So I mean I could. I could go

619
00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:10,920
Speaker 2: on for an hour about that, and it's negative and

620
00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:13,600
Speaker 2: I don't want to. You know, she doesn't live there anymore.

621
00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:17,080
Speaker 2: The new owners have been very gracious to me, have

622
00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:20,520
Speaker 2: given me complete total access to the house. I've been

623
00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:23,399
Speaker 2: there probably five or six times since they bought it.

624
00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:29,040
Speaker 1: Well, they certainly you know, support you, you and your

625
00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:33,440
Speaker 1: family's claims. I mean, I happen to know that their

626
00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:37,239
Speaker 1: daughter is really big on TikTok for the kids, and

627
00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:39,279
Speaker 1: she talks a lot about how haunted the house is

628
00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:40,760
Speaker 1: and they open it up to people.

629
00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:43,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's awesome.

630
00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:46,840
Speaker 1: Both of the kids are because they are paranormal investigators,

631
00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:49,719
Speaker 1: so they get it, and and it's cool that they

632
00:42:49,719 --> 00:42:51,680
Speaker 1: give people an opportunity to stay there.

633
00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:55,360
Speaker 2: And yeah, yeah, they've really opened it up to the world.

634
00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:58,120
Speaker 2: And you know, that's kind of a double edged sword

635
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:01,759
Speaker 2: because you know, they've copped a lot of criticism for

636
00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:08,960
Speaker 2: doing it, especially from the previous owner. But to me,

637
00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:15,640
Speaker 2: if it's done responsibly and if it's done respectfully, then

638
00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:19,560
Speaker 2: I think it's fine because it gives people an opportunity

639
00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:24,319
Speaker 2: to feel the energy of that place, to experience that

640
00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:28,359
Speaker 2: place in a way that they couldn't, you know, in

641
00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:33,200
Speaker 2: any other capacity. And also, you know, not for nothing,

642
00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:38,239
Speaker 2: but every time somebody catches one more piece of undeniable evidence,

643
00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:43,719
Speaker 2: it just serves to validate and vindicate our story. Not

644
00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:46,880
Speaker 2: that I care, because I know what we experienced. I

645
00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:51,120
Speaker 2: know there's something beyond our mortal existence.

646
00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:01,080
Speaker 1: I just look at that time, and you've been so

647
00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:07,120
Speaker 1: generous I feel like we should probably wrap it up, but.

648
00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:08,520
Speaker 2: I would just like to wrap you in my arms

649
00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:09,839
Speaker 2: and give you a squeeze.

650
00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:12,839
Speaker 1: I hope you and I become friends, and I hope

651
00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:13,439
Speaker 1: that when you.

652
00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:15,320
Speaker 2: I thought that already happened.

653
00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:19,280
Speaker 1: Of course, of course, no, yeah, don't.

654
00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:22,200
Speaker 2: Pass tense me. Yeah, future tense me. You know.

655
00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:25,200
Speaker 1: Well, when you're out here, I would love to take

656
00:44:25,239 --> 00:44:27,240
Speaker 1: you to lunch or something if you have the time.

657
00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:29,960
Speaker 2: But wonderful, you know.

658
00:44:30,040 --> 00:44:35,680
Speaker 1: I want to say that a big part of doing

659
00:44:35,719 --> 00:44:40,120
Speaker 1: this podcast and having fun with it and talking to

660
00:44:40,200 --> 00:44:43,680
Speaker 1: people of all walks of life that have had these experiences.

661
00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:48,840
Speaker 1: I really like to advocate for people that have that

662
00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:52,080
Speaker 1: have had these experiences and the trauma that comes with them,

663
00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:55,800
Speaker 1: and especially you know, people telling them that they're liars

664
00:44:57,080 --> 00:44:59,719
Speaker 1: or you know, just anything that they're crazy, that they're

665
00:44:59,719 --> 00:45:04,080
Speaker 1: making it up, whatever like that really is they can

666
00:45:04,120 --> 00:45:06,080
Speaker 1: really do a number of people, and of course also

667
00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:09,279
Speaker 1: the activity that people can experience, and so I think

668
00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:14,120
Speaker 1: it's so powerful to have people speak up about it.

669
00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:17,120
Speaker 1: You know, it's, of course, it's up to people whatever

670
00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:19,360
Speaker 1: they want to do with their stories. But I really

671
00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:22,560
Speaker 1: appreciate the fact that you are so vocal and so

672
00:45:22,719 --> 00:45:25,000
Speaker 1: open to sharing about this stuff.

673
00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:29,960
Speaker 2: I couldn't written the books if I cared anymore what

674
00:45:30,080 --> 00:45:34,640
Speaker 2: people thought, because I knew that I would be opening

675
00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:38,719
Speaker 2: myself and my family up to all kinds of you know,

676
00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:42,359
Speaker 2: criticism and scrutiny. I don't care. You know, I'm not

677
00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:46,759
Speaker 2: here to convince anyone of anything. I'm not. It was

678
00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:49,879
Speaker 2: time to tell this story. It was time to put

679
00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:52,400
Speaker 2: it out into the world. There are millions and millions

680
00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:55,120
Speaker 2: of people that have been touched by spirit in this world.

681
00:45:55,680 --> 00:46:00,359
Speaker 2: And you know, the three most powerful words in this

682
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:03,360
Speaker 2: language or any other, are I love you. But the

683
00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:10,040
Speaker 2: second most powerful are I believe you. And writing this story,

684
00:46:10,200 --> 00:46:16,239
Speaker 2: writing this trilogy of books. And you know, my endless

685
00:46:16,360 --> 00:46:19,760
Speaker 2: readers that find me, that seek me out at different

686
00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:24,400
Speaker 2: events around the country, they they weep in my arms.

687
00:46:25,080 --> 00:46:27,399
Speaker 2: I mean, they'll literally come and give me a hug

688
00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:32,000
Speaker 2: and start crying and thank me for having the courage

689
00:46:32,120 --> 00:46:35,520
Speaker 2: to tell our story because it has liberated them to

690
00:46:35,640 --> 00:46:40,600
Speaker 2: tell their own, you know, And that's powerful stuff. And

691
00:46:40,719 --> 00:46:44,239
Speaker 2: I don't care who says what. I don't read, you know,

692
00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:47,560
Speaker 2: I don't read the comments on YouTube. I don't read

693
00:46:47,640 --> 00:46:51,000
Speaker 2: you know, I don't I don't care. You know, ninety

694
00:46:51,120 --> 00:46:54,440
Speaker 2: nine percent of these people I've never met, I don't know.

695
00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:57,440
Speaker 2: They don't know my family. You know, everybody's got an opinion.

696
00:46:58,600 --> 00:47:01,160
Speaker 2: I don't care. If I did, I wouldn't have been

697
00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:04,840
Speaker 2: able to do what I did around this, you know.

698
00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:07,880
Speaker 2: And and those that say, oh, you did it for

699
00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:10,520
Speaker 2: fame and fortune, Yeah, it took me a decade to

700
00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:14,879
Speaker 2: become an overnight sensation. First and foremost, No, I'm not rich,

701
00:47:14,920 --> 00:47:20,840
Speaker 2: you jerk. And you know, on top of that, I

702
00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:25,880
Speaker 2: don't see why if I did this work, I shouldn't

703
00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:28,560
Speaker 2: be compensated for it and be allowed to sell my

704
00:47:28,719 --> 00:47:31,920
Speaker 2: books in the world. You know, what's what's wrong with that?

705
00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:34,520
Speaker 2: Why does that make me different than any other author?

706
00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:39,440
Speaker 2: You know, it's just wilful ignorance on the part of

707
00:47:39,480 --> 00:47:41,720
Speaker 2: some people. They got too much time on their hands.

708
00:47:41,880 --> 00:47:44,040
Speaker 2: And I don't. I don't give a damn. I you know,

709
00:47:44,160 --> 00:47:48,800
Speaker 2: I'm like Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn.

710
00:47:50,160 --> 00:47:52,520
Speaker 2: But you know I will tell you this. You know.

711
00:47:52,600 --> 00:47:55,799
Speaker 2: The upside to this is that I have met so

712
00:47:55,920 --> 00:48:00,440
Speaker 2: many extraordinary people, raz yourself included, that I never ever

713
00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:04,239
Speaker 2: would have known had I not been brave enough to

714
00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:08,359
Speaker 2: sit down and tell our story. And for those who

715
00:48:08,440 --> 00:48:12,239
Speaker 2: say that my family is lying, let me tell you,

716
00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:17,160
Speaker 2: this is probably the most well documented haunting, not only

717
00:48:17,200 --> 00:48:21,640
Speaker 2: in American history, but probably in world history. There are

718
00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:25,360
Speaker 2: mentions of this story going back more than forty years

719
00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:29,120
Speaker 2: in books that have been written starting in the nineteen

720
00:48:29,280 --> 00:48:33,759
Speaker 2: eighties that we didn't even know about. You know, Rosemary

721
00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:37,000
Speaker 2: Ellen Guiy wrote about our story in the Encyclopedia of

722
00:48:37,040 --> 00:48:39,440
Speaker 2: Ghosts and Spirits, and I didn't even know about that

723
00:48:39,560 --> 00:48:43,479
Speaker 2: until twenty ten. You know, this is an extremely well

724
00:48:43,520 --> 00:48:48,200
Speaker 2: documented story, and I found that where it had been

725
00:48:48,239 --> 00:48:52,080
Speaker 2: documented there were inaccuracies, and I thought that it deserved

726
00:48:52,200 --> 00:48:56,840
Speaker 2: to be told truthfully, authentically, honestly and organically, and so

727
00:48:56,960 --> 00:48:59,480
Speaker 2: that's what I did. And for anybody that thinks that

728
00:48:59,560 --> 00:49:03,120
Speaker 2: I tend myself to a computer for seven years of

729
00:49:03,120 --> 00:49:06,160
Speaker 2: my life to the exclusion of all else in the

730
00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:10,239
Speaker 2: prime of my life to concoct one big, fat, elaborate

731
00:49:10,360 --> 00:49:17,000
Speaker 2: lie is delusional. So I give no credence to their commentary.

732
00:49:19,080 --> 00:49:24,680
Speaker 1: Well, I'm inspired. Can you tell people you know where

733
00:49:24,719 --> 00:49:27,160
Speaker 1: to find you? Because I know you have a show

734
00:49:27,200 --> 00:49:29,680
Speaker 1: as well. Yeah, I'm going to be on it at

735
00:49:29,719 --> 00:49:30,479
Speaker 1: some point soon.

736
00:49:30,600 --> 00:49:32,400
Speaker 2: Oh, you are going to be on it. I already

737
00:49:32,440 --> 00:49:36,640
Speaker 2: booked you. Yes, It's called The World Awakening and it's

738
00:49:36,640 --> 00:49:40,720
Speaker 2: on my Andrea Perrin YouTube channel. I started it again.

739
00:49:40,840 --> 00:49:43,759
Speaker 2: I used to do it several years ago with George Lopez,

740
00:49:43,800 --> 00:49:47,160
Speaker 2: the sit down comedian, and it was just a blog

741
00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:50,960
Speaker 2: talk audio, but now it's video. I'm on streamyard. My

742
00:49:51,040 --> 00:49:53,960
Speaker 2: producer is Tony Rathman, and I bring on a very

743
00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:57,520
Speaker 2: wide variety of people in the field, a real eclectic

744
00:49:57,680 --> 00:50:01,800
Speaker 2: mix of people. It's just it's delightful, it's de lovely,

745
00:50:01,880 --> 00:50:06,799
Speaker 2: it's delirious. And they can find me just all they

746
00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:08,920
Speaker 2: have to do is google my name. Just google me.

747
00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:11,520
Speaker 2: I know that sounds dirty, but it's really not. And

748
00:50:11,719 --> 00:50:16,880
Speaker 2: I'm everywhere omnipresent like spirits. I have five Facebook pages.

749
00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:20,479
Speaker 2: You can find me at Andrea parn Facebook. My fan

750
00:50:20,560 --> 00:50:23,439
Speaker 2: page is called the Buttercup Brigade, where the good deed

751
00:50:23,520 --> 00:50:27,400
Speaker 2: doers that wear rose colored glasses. It's a really cushy, nice, soft,

752
00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:31,520
Speaker 2: fluffy space to land in cyberspace. And I have a

753
00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:35,799
Speaker 2: website which is really stale and old, and I'll tell

754
00:50:35,840 --> 00:50:38,320
Speaker 2: you when I update it, but it's House of Darkness,

755
00:50:38,320 --> 00:50:42,960
Speaker 2: House offlight dot Com and I have book pages for

756
00:50:43,200 --> 00:50:45,520
Speaker 2: my books In a Flicker that I wrote with George,

757
00:50:45,520 --> 00:50:48,560
Speaker 2: which is very dark and if you're into Jack the Ripper,

758
00:50:48,600 --> 00:50:51,920
Speaker 2: it'll blow your mind. It's his story. I just you know,

759
00:50:51,960 --> 00:50:54,120
Speaker 2: put it in print for him. But he I could

760
00:50:54,200 --> 00:50:57,360
Speaker 2: never have come up with it, Roz, it's so brilliant.

761
00:50:57,400 --> 00:51:01,239
Speaker 2: Oh my god, he's so brilliant. But it's called In

762
00:51:01,280 --> 00:51:03,360
Speaker 2: a Flicker and it's about time travel and Jack the

763
00:51:03,440 --> 00:51:07,480
Speaker 2: Ripper and it's really fabulous. And so I have an

764
00:51:07,520 --> 00:51:11,080
Speaker 2: Inflicker page. I have a House of Darkness, House of

765
00:51:11,160 --> 00:51:14,640
Speaker 2: Light book page, book and author page on Facebook, and

766
00:51:14,840 --> 00:51:18,040
Speaker 2: I have a page for my new book which I'm

767
00:51:18,080 --> 00:51:21,359
Speaker 2: re releasing, called A Wonder to Behold, and you can

768
00:51:21,400 --> 00:51:25,839
Speaker 2: only buy it privately from me for the first edition,

769
00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:29,640
Speaker 2: but I'm coming out with the extended edition with extra

770
00:51:29,719 --> 00:51:36,080
Speaker 2: photographs and extra material and hardbound this year. And it's

771
00:51:36,120 --> 00:51:39,040
Speaker 2: all about extraterrestrials. And so the next time I'm on

772
00:51:39,080 --> 00:51:42,200
Speaker 2: your show, we'll talk about what my mother refers to

773
00:51:42,239 --> 00:51:43,360
Speaker 2: as my little friends.

774
00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:48,480
Speaker 1: Oh my god, yes, because we haven't even gotten to

775
00:51:49,120 --> 00:51:53,000
Speaker 1: We didn't even touch it. It was so much because yeah,

776
00:51:53,080 --> 00:51:58,520
Speaker 1: like in Amy Brunie's book, she talks about you conjuring

777
00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:03,480
Speaker 1: UFOs in front of her. I mean, there's just so

778
00:52:03,560 --> 00:52:05,880
Speaker 1: much and I would so appreciate if you ever wanted

779
00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:07,600
Speaker 1: to come back. I would love to talk to you.

780
00:52:07,680 --> 00:52:10,880
Speaker 1: I mean, you certainly keep busy, and you also do

781
00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:13,080
Speaker 1: all the conventions and stuff.

782
00:52:13,400 --> 00:52:17,239
Speaker 2: Oh I do, yeah, you know, until COVID. But you know,

783
00:52:17,760 --> 00:52:20,440
Speaker 2: I'm heading back out on the road. I'm fully vaccinated.

784
00:52:20,480 --> 00:52:22,960
Speaker 2: I'm ready to go. You know, our cases are dropping

785
00:52:23,080 --> 00:52:29,200
Speaker 2: nationwide and it's been a very introspective, reflective year for

786
00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:32,200
Speaker 2: me to spend at home doing a lot of writing

787
00:52:32,360 --> 00:52:35,719
Speaker 2: and you know, getting on the internet and going all

788
00:52:35,760 --> 00:52:39,160
Speaker 2: over the world on Zoom, you know. I mean, we've

789
00:52:39,840 --> 00:52:43,360
Speaker 2: humans find a way and thank god we had the

790
00:52:43,400 --> 00:52:46,320
Speaker 2: internet and it didn't crash, you know, when the whole

791
00:52:46,320 --> 00:52:51,200
Speaker 2: world shut down because of this virus. But yeah, it's

792
00:52:51,200 --> 00:52:56,360
Speaker 2: been it's actually been good for me in that respect

793
00:52:56,600 --> 00:53:00,360
Speaker 2: because I am very much a homebody and you know,

794
00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:03,239
Speaker 2: but when I get back out in the world, I

795
00:53:03,320 --> 00:53:07,120
Speaker 2: take people out by the hundreds and thousands out into

796
00:53:07,760 --> 00:53:12,040
Speaker 2: you know, areas that are open where the sky is

797
00:53:12,080 --> 00:53:16,880
Speaker 2: completely open, and I sing that's you know, I just

798
00:53:16,960 --> 00:53:20,239
Speaker 2: sing to them, and they come in numbers that you

799
00:53:20,360 --> 00:53:24,319
Speaker 2: could not even wrap your mind around. And I'm not

800
00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:27,040
Speaker 2: just the old ghost lady. I'm the ET lady too.

801
00:53:28,000 --> 00:53:31,719
Speaker 1: What's your favorite song to sing for the UFOs.

802
00:53:33,160 --> 00:53:34,200
Speaker 2: The nearness of you?

803
00:53:36,840 --> 00:53:38,799
Speaker 1: Well, you should hear the theme song to this show.

804
00:53:38,920 --> 00:53:42,000
Speaker 1: They might like it. It's me. I recorded it myself.

805
00:53:43,400 --> 00:53:47,640
Speaker 2: Oh, excellent, excellent. I'll put it in my ET playlist.

806
00:53:49,160 --> 00:53:51,759
Speaker 1: And I hope that I would. It would be so

807
00:53:51,880 --> 00:53:54,200
Speaker 1: great to see you doing some theater.

808
00:53:55,520 --> 00:53:58,919
Speaker 2: Yeah. No, no, no, you're done that. No, I'm all done,

809
00:53:58,960 --> 00:54:01,480
Speaker 2: not unless my asses in the audience. Oh my god,

810
00:54:01,840 --> 00:54:04,920
Speaker 2: you know no. I did it for twenty almost twenty

811
00:54:04,920 --> 00:54:08,799
Speaker 2: five years that I was a stage actor and you know,

812
00:54:09,000 --> 00:54:13,600
Speaker 2: really into musicals, although I love doing straight plays as well. No,

813
00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:17,440
Speaker 2: I'm done playing other people now. I'm just me.

814
00:54:18,520 --> 00:54:26,440
Speaker 1: I love that. Oh. I love Andrea Baron. So happy

815
00:54:26,480 --> 00:54:31,600
Speaker 1: we met and hopefully she'll be back because there's so

816
00:54:31,719 --> 00:54:34,520
Speaker 1: much more to talk about. And again, thank you to

817
00:54:34,560 --> 00:54:38,759
Speaker 1: Patrick Keller for connecting us. And go to patroon dot

818
00:54:38,800 --> 00:54:43,720
Speaker 1: com slash ros dresfales for a little bit more and

819
00:54:43,800 --> 00:54:48,640
Speaker 1: for you know, all months and months of content videos,

820
00:54:48,680 --> 00:54:51,720
Speaker 1: bonus clips, all that stuff. It helps me out a lot.

821
00:54:52,719 --> 00:54:58,080
Speaker 1: And yeah, please read the show five stars on Apple Podcasts.

822
00:54:58,640 --> 00:55:01,239
Speaker 1: And you have a ghost story, you could leave it

823
00:55:01,239 --> 00:55:03,799
Speaker 1: there in a five star review. Maybe I'll read it

824
00:55:03,840 --> 00:55:07,440
Speaker 1: on the show. You could also send me a ghost

825
00:55:07,480 --> 00:55:10,920
Speaker 1: story on the Facebook group. Ghosted by Roz dres Fales.

826
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Speaker 1: I want your listener stories for Listener Episode extravaganzas, So

827
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Speaker 1: email those two ghosted by Roz at gmail dot com

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Speaker 1: with the subject line listener episode and please spread the

829
00:55:24,480 --> 00:55:28,640
Speaker 1: word about the show. Tell your friends, tell your family,

830
00:55:29,280 --> 00:55:33,520
Speaker 1: Tell that that weird person you know that is in

831
00:55:33,560 --> 00:55:37,760
Speaker 1: your life that would appreciate the weirdness that happens here.

832
00:55:39,880 --> 00:55:43,200
Speaker 1: I love you all, both living and dead. But if

833
00:55:43,200 --> 00:55:46,000
Speaker 1: I didn't ask you to haunt me, don't haunt me.

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Speaker 1: Came back

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Speaker 2: A podcast a podcast network