1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,800 --> 00:00:09,119 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:12,079 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A 4 00:00:12,240 --> 00:00:25,479 Speaker 1: production of I Heart Brady. Hello, welcome back to the show. 5 00:00:25,560 --> 00:00:28,280 Speaker 1: My name is Matt, my name is Noel. They called 6 00:00:28,320 --> 00:00:31,240 Speaker 1: me Ben. We're joined as always with our super producer 7 00:00:31,320 --> 00:00:35,600 Speaker 1: Alexis code named Doc Holiday Jackson. Most importantly, you are you. 8 00:00:35,600 --> 00:00:38,680 Speaker 1: You are here, and that makes this the stuff they 9 00:00:38,800 --> 00:00:42,360 Speaker 1: don't want you to know. At the very top of 10 00:00:42,400 --> 00:00:46,599 Speaker 1: this week, we would like to extend our thoughts and 11 00:00:46,880 --> 00:00:50,760 Speaker 1: well wishes to the people of the Middle East who 12 00:00:50,840 --> 00:00:57,639 Speaker 1: have survived a catastrophic earthquake, one that Turkey's own government 13 00:00:57,720 --> 00:01:01,760 Speaker 1: recently said is something no one could prepare for. So 14 00:01:01,800 --> 00:01:06,000 Speaker 1: we're keeping you in our thoughts, all fellow conspiracy realists 15 00:01:06,280 --> 00:01:10,440 Speaker 1: who live in the area or have family there. Today, 16 00:01:10,560 --> 00:01:13,240 Speaker 1: we're going to do what we love to do on 17 00:01:13,280 --> 00:01:18,080 Speaker 1: our weekly Strange News segment. We're going to explore stories 18 00:01:18,200 --> 00:01:22,640 Speaker 1: that don't quite get the attention we wish they did. 19 00:01:22,720 --> 00:01:25,280 Speaker 1: Some of this is breaking news, some of this is 20 00:01:25,360 --> 00:01:29,479 Speaker 1: news that uh a lot of other media outlets mentioned 21 00:01:29,800 --> 00:01:34,800 Speaker 1: and then ignored. We're going to Yes, uh, talk about 22 00:01:35,200 --> 00:01:39,960 Speaker 1: the balloon tobacle a bit. We're going to also talk 23 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:43,960 Speaker 1: about what happens when an FBI agent becomes a turn coat, 24 00:01:44,480 --> 00:01:47,360 Speaker 1: and of course we're going to find some secret satellites 25 00:01:47,360 --> 00:01:49,880 Speaker 1: on the way. But before we do all of that, 26 00:01:50,440 --> 00:01:56,040 Speaker 1: there is a pretty funny story coming out of Singapore 27 00:01:56,960 --> 00:01:59,680 Speaker 1: that also leads us to some very i would say, 28 00:01:59,720 --> 00:02:05,040 Speaker 1: searious and disturbing conversations. Yeah, yeah, it's uh, it's all 29 00:02:05,040 --> 00:02:07,800 Speaker 1: about the secret satellites we met along the way. I'm 30 00:02:07,840 --> 00:02:09,560 Speaker 1: sorry it's been a minute, but I had to add 31 00:02:09,600 --> 00:02:13,919 Speaker 1: that in Uh, in this case with this fella, definitely 32 00:02:13,960 --> 00:02:17,280 Speaker 1: not about the friends he made along the way, because 33 00:02:17,520 --> 00:02:20,280 Speaker 1: this guy's kind of feels like a no friends kind 34 00:02:20,320 --> 00:02:23,560 Speaker 1: of fellow. Um, you guys are familiar with the term 35 00:02:23,600 --> 00:02:29,799 Speaker 1: being put in the friend zone. Yes, I've done it, 36 00:02:30,760 --> 00:02:33,440 Speaker 1: but the fair fair enough. But typically it's you know, 37 00:02:33,560 --> 00:02:37,960 Speaker 1: it's men being friend zoned by by women. Um, Matt, 38 00:02:38,080 --> 00:02:40,560 Speaker 1: he's spoken like someone who has truly been on that 39 00:02:40,639 --> 00:02:44,119 Speaker 1: side of it as have I. Uh, it's a thing, 40 00:02:44,480 --> 00:02:46,960 Speaker 1: it's definitely a thing, and it doesn't feel great. But 41 00:02:47,040 --> 00:02:50,600 Speaker 1: you know what, we're all adults here and we know 42 00:02:50,639 --> 00:02:54,240 Speaker 1: how to manage our feelings and our emotions and not 43 00:02:54,320 --> 00:02:58,079 Speaker 1: act like big man babies, right right, sure, I mean 44 00:02:58,280 --> 00:03:01,680 Speaker 1: I don't really have feelings, but like, yeah, I'm with you, Okay, 45 00:03:01,720 --> 00:03:06,600 Speaker 1: So present company accepted. I think, yeah, accepted. Uh. There 46 00:03:06,600 --> 00:03:10,080 Speaker 1: are some who maybe don't know how to just take 47 00:03:10,120 --> 00:03:12,919 Speaker 1: one on the chin and kind of move on. UM. 48 00:03:12,960 --> 00:03:16,280 Speaker 1: I've been friend zoned and then maintained friendships with with 49 00:03:16,360 --> 00:03:19,800 Speaker 1: said person who who placed me in said zone. But 50 00:03:19,840 --> 00:03:22,799 Speaker 1: today's stories about someone that not only could not do that, 51 00:03:23,480 --> 00:03:28,320 Speaker 1: uh instead decided to double uh, nay, triple down um 52 00:03:28,639 --> 00:03:31,760 Speaker 1: and essentially make a federal case or at the very 53 00:03:31,880 --> 00:03:38,600 Speaker 1: lesa magistrate case in Singapore about essentially being entitled to 54 00:03:38,800 --> 00:03:42,440 Speaker 1: the affections of a woman, which we know is it's 55 00:03:42,440 --> 00:03:45,840 Speaker 1: something that you typically litigate about. Uh. He is seeking 56 00:03:45,880 --> 00:03:51,760 Speaker 1: this man by the name of k. Kawashigan Um is 57 00:03:51,760 --> 00:03:57,720 Speaker 1: seeking more than three million Singapore UH dollars currency units. 58 00:03:57,760 --> 00:03:59,600 Speaker 1: I'm not sure what the name of the unit is 59 00:03:59,720 --> 00:04:02,160 Speaker 1: right off the top of my head here, which amounts 60 00:04:02,200 --> 00:04:06,560 Speaker 1: to around two million US dollars roughly one point eight 61 00:04:06,640 --> 00:04:12,160 Speaker 1: seven British pounds. And he is accusing this unnamed woman 62 00:04:12,720 --> 00:04:19,120 Speaker 1: of causing him trauma and damages to his quote stellar reputation, 63 00:04:19,520 --> 00:04:24,400 Speaker 1: but essentially parading himself in front of everyone, essentially become 64 00:04:24,440 --> 00:04:26,920 Speaker 1: a national news story as kind of being the like, 65 00:04:27,360 --> 00:04:29,920 Speaker 1: you know, king of the in cells. I mean, this 66 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:34,040 Speaker 1: is really someone who was essentially rejected and other than 67 00:04:34,120 --> 00:04:38,400 Speaker 1: just accepting that fact, has decided to sue this individual 68 00:04:38,520 --> 00:04:43,800 Speaker 1: through not one but two court cases UM in magistrate's 69 00:04:43,880 --> 00:04:48,200 Speaker 1: court there in Singapore. He claimed that this woman quote 70 00:04:48,600 --> 00:04:54,640 Speaker 1: breached an agreement to improve their relationship, UM, which that 71 00:04:54,680 --> 00:04:59,440 Speaker 1: one was dismissed as being manifestly groundless and without foundation. 72 00:05:00,240 --> 00:05:03,200 Speaker 1: This result was published in January and it found that 73 00:05:03,279 --> 00:05:08,880 Speaker 1: his claims um was in fact an absolute flouting of 74 00:05:08,880 --> 00:05:11,280 Speaker 1: of the law or you know, an abuse of of 75 00:05:11,320 --> 00:05:14,320 Speaker 1: what you know, these types of proceedings are meant to actually, 76 00:05:14,480 --> 00:05:17,200 Speaker 1: you know, remedy. This guy was wasting the court's time 77 00:05:17,520 --> 00:05:24,000 Speaker 1: and essentially further abusing or causing harm to this woman. Uh. 78 00:05:24,160 --> 00:05:27,040 Speaker 1: The judge in the case claimed that this individual had 79 00:05:27,120 --> 00:05:33,080 Speaker 1: quote an ulterior motive of vexing or oppressing the defendants. Um. 80 00:05:33,279 --> 00:05:35,680 Speaker 1: So let's just a little bit of backstory. These these 81 00:05:35,720 --> 00:05:40,040 Speaker 1: two mad apparently in twenty sixteen according to court filings, 82 00:05:40,279 --> 00:05:44,120 Speaker 1: but it wasn't until twenty that I guess there was 83 00:05:44,200 --> 00:05:47,040 Speaker 1: some misunderstanding or not. I guess there are definitely some 84 00:05:47,120 --> 00:05:50,640 Speaker 1: misunderstandings as to the nature of the relationship. The defendant 85 00:05:51,279 --> 00:05:54,880 Speaker 1: UH claimed that the woman claimed that she saw Mr 86 00:05:55,360 --> 00:05:59,600 Speaker 1: uh Kawashigun as just a friend, although he claimed this 87 00:05:59,680 --> 00:06:05,040 Speaker 1: is weirder that she was his closest friend. Okay, so 88 00:06:05,120 --> 00:06:07,919 Speaker 1: that's still odd. He's saying, Wait, no, I thought you 89 00:06:07,960 --> 00:06:10,640 Speaker 1: were my best best, best best friend or just a friend. 90 00:06:11,360 --> 00:06:15,640 Speaker 1: Bismarck Key would be proud or perhaps ashamed UM at 91 00:06:15,680 --> 00:06:20,520 Speaker 1: this point, probably because this guy was kind of freaking 92 00:06:20,560 --> 00:06:23,600 Speaker 1: out a little bit. UM. The woman asked that their 93 00:06:23,640 --> 00:06:27,480 Speaker 1: interactions be reduced, keep this guy at arm's length, and 94 00:06:27,520 --> 00:06:32,320 Speaker 1: this was not taken very well by UM by the 95 00:06:32,839 --> 00:06:38,000 Speaker 1: claimant Mr Kawashika, who felt that this was essentially quote 96 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:39,719 Speaker 1: this is again according to the court file, he's taking 97 00:06:39,760 --> 00:06:45,279 Speaker 1: a step back in their relationship, UM, and he was 98 00:06:45,360 --> 00:06:49,800 Speaker 1: not accepting of these boundaries that the defendant was attempting 99 00:06:49,839 --> 00:06:55,039 Speaker 1: to impose. UH. So, essentially this led to a period 100 00:06:55,360 --> 00:07:00,400 Speaker 1: where the woman actually consented to participating in a in 101 00:07:00,440 --> 00:07:06,400 Speaker 1: a in a counseling regimen for eighteen months. UM after 102 00:07:07,240 --> 00:07:10,920 Speaker 1: a threat of legal action on this matter from Kawashika, 103 00:07:11,640 --> 00:07:14,280 Speaker 1: after which she decided, you know what, I'm putting my 104 00:07:14,320 --> 00:07:16,760 Speaker 1: foot down. I'm drawing a lie on the sand. I'm 105 00:07:16,800 --> 00:07:18,680 Speaker 1: not going to be her asked by this person anymore 106 00:07:19,440 --> 00:07:22,160 Speaker 1: because he did not let up after the counseling had concluded, 107 00:07:22,280 --> 00:07:24,440 Speaker 1: which I mean, can you imagine being bullied into going 108 00:07:24,480 --> 00:07:28,120 Speaker 1: to counseling with someone that is like, not your partner, 109 00:07:28,640 --> 00:07:31,000 Speaker 1: but it seems to be just deluded to the point 110 00:07:31,040 --> 00:07:34,760 Speaker 1: of like you are my my significant other, but you 111 00:07:34,840 --> 00:07:38,600 Speaker 1: had no idea just to pipe in here. Briefly, I 112 00:07:38,640 --> 00:07:41,600 Speaker 1: think it's it clearly seems to be a form of 113 00:07:42,520 --> 00:07:46,800 Speaker 1: another theater of abuse. Honestly, I wanted to shout out 114 00:07:46,840 --> 00:07:50,440 Speaker 1: a great sub credit called two X Chromosomes where I 115 00:07:50,560 --> 00:07:54,600 Speaker 1: learned about this UH and then also learned a lot 116 00:07:54,720 --> 00:07:58,680 Speaker 1: about the ways in which uh, the ways in which 117 00:07:58,720 --> 00:08:04,040 Speaker 1: people can abuse folks using the legal system, and it's 118 00:08:04,080 --> 00:08:07,280 Speaker 1: something that unfortunately, I think a lot of people, honestly, dudes, 119 00:08:07,320 --> 00:08:10,920 Speaker 1: including myself, don't think about, Yeah, did you come across 120 00:08:10,960 --> 00:08:15,640 Speaker 1: in that in that thread the concept of DARVO. I 121 00:08:15,680 --> 00:08:17,440 Speaker 1: don't know if it was in that threat, but but 122 00:08:17,520 --> 00:08:21,960 Speaker 1: I've heard it. It's an acronym correct deny attack, reverse victim, 123 00:08:22,080 --> 00:08:26,080 Speaker 1: and a fender, which is a common tactic that abusers 124 00:08:26,240 --> 00:08:29,360 Speaker 1: use to essentially do what you're talking about, Ben, to 125 00:08:29,560 --> 00:08:33,199 Speaker 1: kind of portray themselves as the party that has been 126 00:08:33,240 --> 00:08:37,760 Speaker 1: injured and to potentially escalate that and a legal proceeding. 127 00:08:38,200 --> 00:08:39,880 Speaker 1: And and this is exactly what he tried to do 128 00:08:39,960 --> 00:08:42,480 Speaker 1: with the second court case, for which he was seeking 129 00:08:42,720 --> 00:08:47,760 Speaker 1: damages upwards of three million UH dollars. This Guardian article UM, 130 00:08:47,800 --> 00:08:51,760 Speaker 1: by the way, which was written by Rebecca Ratliffe, who's 131 00:08:51,760 --> 00:08:54,400 Speaker 1: a Southeast Asian corre spot for The Guardian, jumps around 132 00:08:54,400 --> 00:08:58,720 Speaker 1: between pounds and dollars and then sometimes it's a Singapore dollars, 133 00:08:58,960 --> 00:09:02,600 Speaker 1: So forgive me if I'm getting the conversions exactly right. 134 00:09:02,600 --> 00:09:05,640 Speaker 1: But in the second court case, UM, he was seeking 135 00:09:05,679 --> 00:09:08,960 Speaker 1: damages upwards of three million dollars and I believe that 136 00:09:09,040 --> 00:09:14,520 Speaker 1: is Singapore dollars UM for things like lost investments UM 137 00:09:14,559 --> 00:09:18,040 Speaker 1: amounting like over a million dollars and as I mentioned 138 00:09:18,080 --> 00:09:23,000 Speaker 1: at the top, damage to stellar reputation, trauma, depression and impacts. 139 00:09:23,040 --> 00:09:26,800 Speaker 1: But in the court filing or in the in the 140 00:09:26,800 --> 00:09:31,040 Speaker 1: the judge's decision rather UM he kind of told on himself. 141 00:09:31,280 --> 00:09:36,319 Speaker 1: The court paper adds that such remarks he averred suggested 142 00:09:36,720 --> 00:09:40,400 Speaker 1: that he had harassed and spied on her and this 143 00:09:40,600 --> 00:09:44,080 Speaker 1: caused him to suffer damn. So he's essentially, you know, 144 00:09:44,200 --> 00:09:46,560 Speaker 1: kind of telling on himself and then he's really just 145 00:09:46,640 --> 00:09:50,040 Speaker 1: putting himself on blasts. The lack of self awareness here 146 00:09:50,400 --> 00:09:54,920 Speaker 1: is pretty stunning. UM and Aware, which is a gender 147 00:09:54,960 --> 00:09:58,760 Speaker 1: equality advocacy group, really came to this woman's aid in 148 00:09:58,840 --> 00:10:02,280 Speaker 1: this situation and kind of raised the profile of the story. 149 00:10:02,600 --> 00:10:04,760 Speaker 1: They had this to say in a statement, women do 150 00:10:04,840 --> 00:10:08,199 Speaker 1: not owe men their time or attention, much less their friendship, love, 151 00:10:08,320 --> 00:10:14,040 Speaker 1: sexual activity, or emotional labor um. And a lot of 152 00:10:14,120 --> 00:10:18,080 Speaker 1: details that have been released UM they describe as painting 153 00:10:18,120 --> 00:10:23,120 Speaker 1: an alarming picture of male sexual and romantic entitlement. UM 154 00:10:23,200 --> 00:10:26,840 Speaker 1: and that then they referred to this this this concept 155 00:10:26,880 --> 00:10:32,400 Speaker 1: of darvo denied attack, reverse victim and offender UM. Not 156 00:10:32,480 --> 00:10:35,360 Speaker 1: to mention that you know, in Singapore this it is 157 00:10:35,400 --> 00:10:40,000 Speaker 1: a pretty patriarchal society. I mean, not that America isn't, 158 00:10:40,480 --> 00:10:43,160 Speaker 1: But I don't know, Ben, You've you've traveled abroad in 159 00:10:43,200 --> 00:10:45,560 Speaker 1: that part of the world much more than I have. 160 00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:48,959 Speaker 1: UM would you say that's accurate, that maybe there might 161 00:10:49,000 --> 00:10:50,640 Speaker 1: even be a leg up for I mean, no, I 162 00:10:50,679 --> 00:10:52,920 Speaker 1: don't think anyone in America would ever be so bold 163 00:10:52,920 --> 00:10:55,600 Speaker 1: as to file cases like this, but maybe you know, 164 00:10:55,640 --> 00:10:58,480 Speaker 1: the climates different in Singapore that he thought he had 165 00:10:58,520 --> 00:11:01,959 Speaker 1: a chance. Yeah, of course, we're um, we're not going 166 00:11:02,040 --> 00:11:06,960 Speaker 1: to be experientially aware as as well as anybody who 167 00:11:07,320 --> 00:11:10,720 Speaker 1: who is a woman or identifies as a woman and 168 00:11:10,920 --> 00:11:16,720 Speaker 1: has to experience these horrible things constantly. But gender equality 169 00:11:17,040 --> 00:11:22,680 Speaker 1: in Singapore is still it's an ongoing struggle from from 170 00:11:22,800 --> 00:11:26,839 Speaker 1: what I understand, like so many other countries. Of course, 171 00:11:26,960 --> 00:11:30,240 Speaker 1: the letter of the law is all about equality, but 172 00:11:30,320 --> 00:11:33,080 Speaker 1: there's still a patriarchy in practice. Of course. You know, 173 00:11:33,160 --> 00:11:37,280 Speaker 1: there's a lot of social pressure to uh for women 174 00:11:37,320 --> 00:11:41,360 Speaker 1: to have to get married, to have to be primarily 175 00:11:41,400 --> 00:11:45,280 Speaker 1: in charge of everything that happens in the household, and unfortunately, 176 00:11:45,280 --> 00:11:48,360 Speaker 1: again that's something a lot of our fellow conspiracy realist 177 00:11:48,400 --> 00:11:51,400 Speaker 1: in the audience can personally identify with. Yeah, man, I 178 00:11:51,400 --> 00:11:54,440 Speaker 1: can see the gears turning. They're been a little quiet 179 00:11:54,480 --> 00:11:57,200 Speaker 1: on this one. But other than you know, again you 180 00:11:57,280 --> 00:11:59,800 Speaker 1: and I both copying to having been through this, are 181 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:02,040 Speaker 1: else and it's certainly not something that you it's not 182 00:12:02,120 --> 00:12:04,720 Speaker 1: a hill that you want to die on for obvious reasons. 183 00:12:04,760 --> 00:12:07,640 Speaker 1: It's just not the right thing. You know, relationships go 184 00:12:07,720 --> 00:12:10,000 Speaker 1: two ways. But what are your thoughts on maybe the 185 00:12:10,040 --> 00:12:13,480 Speaker 1: cultural implications of this? And you know, how could someone 186 00:12:13,640 --> 00:12:18,680 Speaker 1: be so oblivious to one's own actions and behavior. This guy, also, 187 00:12:18,679 --> 00:12:20,680 Speaker 1: by the way, is a high level dude. He's like 188 00:12:20,679 --> 00:12:25,080 Speaker 1: a CEO of a aerial like a drone company, so 189 00:12:25,120 --> 00:12:27,000 Speaker 1: he's like this. You know, maybe that even adds to 190 00:12:27,040 --> 00:12:28,840 Speaker 1: the entitlement, But I don't know, what what what do 191 00:12:28,840 --> 00:12:31,760 Speaker 1: you think about this this situation in this court case. 192 00:12:32,440 --> 00:12:38,439 Speaker 1: It's weird, man, because relationships and uh love, it's all 193 00:12:38,640 --> 00:12:42,840 Speaker 1: difficult stuff, right, and most of that kind of personal 194 00:12:42,880 --> 00:12:45,640 Speaker 1: relationship happens behind closed doors, so you don't you never 195 00:12:45,679 --> 00:12:48,600 Speaker 1: really know what exactly is going on if you're an observer. 196 00:12:48,840 --> 00:12:54,000 Speaker 1: So in this situation, who knows what their relationship was 197 00:12:54,080 --> 00:12:56,839 Speaker 1: like when they were just together. It seems like this 198 00:12:56,920 --> 00:13:00,640 Speaker 1: person and this guy was unhappy with that. Uh, it's 199 00:13:00,679 --> 00:13:05,160 Speaker 1: insane that he thinks he can sue sue to change 200 00:13:05,360 --> 00:13:09,280 Speaker 1: that situation, because like, what is I don't understand does 201 00:13:09,360 --> 00:13:11,640 Speaker 1: he what does he think is going to happen. Yeah, 202 00:13:12,040 --> 00:13:14,400 Speaker 1: what comes out of it? I mean it seems more 203 00:13:14,440 --> 00:13:18,520 Speaker 1: like retribution exactly. You know, the case is going to 204 00:13:18,600 --> 00:13:21,640 Speaker 1: get thrown out even if you're not a lawyer. Well, 205 00:13:21,720 --> 00:13:23,439 Speaker 1: even if it doesn't get thrown out, let's say it 206 00:13:23,480 --> 00:13:25,640 Speaker 1: goes all the way through and he wins money. Now 207 00:13:25,679 --> 00:13:29,520 Speaker 1: he's like supremely hurt the person that he supposedly cares 208 00:13:29,559 --> 00:13:34,960 Speaker 1: so much about. I mean, in that world where he wins. Um, 209 00:13:35,000 --> 00:13:37,800 Speaker 1: it's just it's just seems mean spirited all around. So 210 00:13:37,880 --> 00:13:41,560 Speaker 1: that's awful. Big in Cell Energy agreed. Yeah, but that's 211 00:13:41,559 --> 00:13:44,960 Speaker 1: the thing right. Like again, maybe I'm just I can't 212 00:13:45,440 --> 00:13:48,079 Speaker 1: speak to the cultural climate of how something like this 213 00:13:48,080 --> 00:13:51,040 Speaker 1: would be interpreted, Like is this something that like his 214 00:13:51,200 --> 00:13:53,760 Speaker 1: bros Are gonna look at be like, yeah, you go, 215 00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:56,079 Speaker 1: you stick it to her, you know. But to me, 216 00:13:56,160 --> 00:13:59,640 Speaker 1: it's just more like, oh, yikes, I don't want to 217 00:13:59,640 --> 00:14:02,240 Speaker 1: hang out with that guy anymore, let alone do business. 218 00:14:02,760 --> 00:14:05,320 Speaker 1: It just you know, strikes me as someone because I mean, 219 00:14:05,600 --> 00:14:09,000 Speaker 1: you know, that's presumably a guy who's you know, wealthy 220 00:14:09,120 --> 00:14:13,080 Speaker 1: and and shouldn't have trouble getting dates, but is just 221 00:14:13,200 --> 00:14:16,880 Speaker 1: so nasty and mean spirit and an unentitled that Like, 222 00:14:16,920 --> 00:14:19,800 Speaker 1: I just it's just such a bad look, like even 223 00:14:19,840 --> 00:14:24,520 Speaker 1: for business, for any kind of interpersonal interaction, you know. Uh, 224 00:14:24,640 --> 00:14:29,320 Speaker 1: I think cultural implications aside. I just can't imagine you would. 225 00:14:29,320 --> 00:14:32,000 Speaker 1: I would just like, Okay, let's just move on from this. No, 226 00:14:32,600 --> 00:14:36,720 Speaker 1: everyone must know that she wronged me, but there's no 227 00:14:36,800 --> 00:14:40,400 Speaker 1: evidence of that whatsoever. You know. So this is just 228 00:14:40,440 --> 00:14:43,400 Speaker 1: this guy kind of like putting himself, you know, running 229 00:14:43,480 --> 00:14:46,280 Speaker 1: himself up a flagpole for all to see. What I 230 00:14:46,400 --> 00:14:49,800 Speaker 1: kind of weenye he is? Yeah, one thing I have learned, 231 00:14:49,960 --> 00:14:52,840 Speaker 1: I have I haven't learned a lot in this life, 232 00:14:52,880 --> 00:14:55,720 Speaker 1: but I have learned that desperation is perhaps the least 233 00:14:55,760 --> 00:15:02,160 Speaker 1: attractive thing that you can in deed. Yeah, indeed, and this, 234 00:15:02,280 --> 00:15:05,600 Speaker 1: this is this whole thing reeks of desperation. Let me 235 00:15:05,640 --> 00:15:08,200 Speaker 1: make sure I've got it right. The second case I 236 00:15:08,280 --> 00:15:12,280 Speaker 1: think is still pending. Um. But the first one was 237 00:15:12,320 --> 00:15:15,200 Speaker 1: thrown out and the second one likely will be as 238 00:15:15,240 --> 00:15:18,760 Speaker 1: well because just absolutely no evidence of any of the 239 00:15:18,800 --> 00:15:21,680 Speaker 1: things that this that this person is talking about. So 240 00:15:21,920 --> 00:15:25,080 Speaker 1: we'll see ka kawah again. I bet he wasn't thinking 241 00:15:25,120 --> 00:15:28,760 Speaker 1: that he was going to be a national mockery. Um. 242 00:15:28,800 --> 00:15:31,920 Speaker 1: But here we are here, we are and uh and 243 00:15:31,960 --> 00:15:34,160 Speaker 1: here we go to take a quick break to hear 244 00:15:34,200 --> 00:15:36,720 Speaker 1: a word from our sponsor, and then we will return 245 00:15:36,880 --> 00:15:53,360 Speaker 1: with another piece of strange news. Do not adjust your headphones, 246 00:15:53,800 --> 00:15:59,000 Speaker 1: ladies and gentlemen. This is your feed from space. I 247 00:15:59,040 --> 00:16:01,880 Speaker 1: know that's a weird old open for this part of 248 00:16:01,920 --> 00:16:05,840 Speaker 1: our strange news segment, but will tell you exactly what 249 00:16:05,880 --> 00:16:10,560 Speaker 1: that was in just a moment right now, Matt Noel, Uh, 250 00:16:10,680 --> 00:16:13,360 Speaker 1: there was a little hint I gave it was from space. 251 00:16:14,600 --> 00:16:16,360 Speaker 1: What what do you guys think it is if you 252 00:16:16,400 --> 00:16:20,960 Speaker 1: had to guess as audio experts. Oh man, uh, going 253 00:16:21,040 --> 00:16:23,760 Speaker 1: on nothing, Yeah, I don't know. It just kind of 254 00:16:23,800 --> 00:16:29,320 Speaker 1: sounded like some sort of electromagnetic interference filtered through like 255 00:16:29,400 --> 00:16:32,520 Speaker 1: some kind of white noise. I could tell you it 256 00:16:32,560 --> 00:16:34,640 Speaker 1: really does sound like maybe it's that kind of sounded 257 00:16:34,680 --> 00:16:36,840 Speaker 1: like a modem tone a little bit too, like an 258 00:16:36,880 --> 00:16:41,880 Speaker 1: old classic modem tone. Maybe it was a weather balloons. 259 00:16:44,720 --> 00:16:48,720 Speaker 1: So these are great guesses, and you're really close. This 260 00:16:48,840 --> 00:16:51,400 Speaker 1: is actually and I don't know if anybody could hear 261 00:16:51,920 --> 00:16:55,000 Speaker 1: actually hear this from just the very few seconds we played. 262 00:16:55,600 --> 00:17:00,720 Speaker 1: But folks, you just heard was a little bit of 263 00:17:01,120 --> 00:17:06,760 Speaker 1: morse code through a bunch of weird filters. This story 264 00:17:06,800 --> 00:17:10,439 Speaker 1: has been on my mind because it recently broke this 265 00:17:10,600 --> 00:17:14,680 Speaker 1: month and I learned about it or relearned about it 266 00:17:15,160 --> 00:17:21,359 Speaker 1: during this whole balloon debacle. You guys remember, uh, just recently, 267 00:17:21,880 --> 00:17:25,360 Speaker 1: there was a big to do as the United States 268 00:17:26,640 --> 00:17:31,679 Speaker 1: ultimately shot down a balloom from China. Right there was 269 00:17:31,720 --> 00:17:36,080 Speaker 1: about two feet talls hauling about three school buses worth 270 00:17:36,200 --> 00:17:39,040 Speaker 1: of stuff. It was about the you know, the stuff 271 00:17:39,119 --> 00:17:43,400 Speaker 1: under the balloon was about three school buses long. Because 272 00:17:43,440 --> 00:17:48,080 Speaker 1: we're Americans will do anything to not use the metric system, right, 273 00:17:48,320 --> 00:17:51,160 Speaker 1: we don't know how many meters, but definitely three school buses. 274 00:17:51,280 --> 00:17:56,000 Speaker 1: We have our reasons. We have our reasons. Uh. And 275 00:17:56,280 --> 00:18:01,360 Speaker 1: the balloon thing is probably it's own episode in the 276 00:18:01,400 --> 00:18:05,520 Speaker 1: future for anybody doesn't know. By the way, all sorts 277 00:18:05,560 --> 00:18:10,879 Speaker 1: of countries launched balloons on a like globally connected and 278 00:18:10,960 --> 00:18:15,320 Speaker 1: coordinated schedule, and several of these balloons have been over 279 00:18:15,400 --> 00:18:18,159 Speaker 1: the United States in the past. This one got a 280 00:18:18,160 --> 00:18:22,480 Speaker 1: lot of press, but there are other things people aren't 281 00:18:22,520 --> 00:18:26,040 Speaker 1: talking about. This got got us thinking, or me thinking 282 00:18:26,080 --> 00:18:29,720 Speaker 1: at least about all the other spy stuff in the 283 00:18:29,800 --> 00:18:35,000 Speaker 1: sky right now, as we're recording. Uncle Sam has retrieved 284 00:18:35,040 --> 00:18:38,240 Speaker 1: the debris of that Chinese balloon and they're taken it 285 00:18:38,320 --> 00:18:42,640 Speaker 1: apart to see what mechanisms may have been up there, 286 00:18:42,680 --> 00:18:44,840 Speaker 1: you know, like what kind of components they had, what 287 00:18:44,840 --> 00:18:48,119 Speaker 1: what sort of stuff they were trying to gather. But 288 00:18:48,640 --> 00:18:53,320 Speaker 1: there's another thing in the sky that is also falling down. 289 00:18:53,520 --> 00:18:56,240 Speaker 1: Not to be too chicken little about it, it is 290 00:18:56,400 --> 00:19:03,880 Speaker 1: a Russian satellite called Cosmos four nine nine. This thing 291 00:19:04,520 --> 00:19:07,480 Speaker 1: is super weird and for anyone playing along at home, 292 00:19:07,560 --> 00:19:13,120 Speaker 1: that's Cosmos with a K to make it even cooler. Uh, 293 00:19:13,600 --> 00:19:18,000 Speaker 1: this thing. We talked about spy satellites at length in 294 00:19:18,119 --> 00:19:22,119 Speaker 1: previous episodes. Over the years, Um, we know about things 295 00:19:22,160 --> 00:19:27,320 Speaker 1: like the Corona satellite, the Key program. Basically every country 296 00:19:27,359 --> 00:19:31,200 Speaker 1: that could spy from orbit has been trying to do 297 00:19:31,280 --> 00:19:34,240 Speaker 1: so from the day they knew it was a thing. 298 00:19:34,800 --> 00:19:38,880 Speaker 1: The CIA and some of the Alphabet boys were putting 299 00:19:39,040 --> 00:19:43,640 Speaker 1: satellites up in the air for surveillance purposes before they 300 00:19:43,680 --> 00:19:47,959 Speaker 1: could even digitally send images. It was. It was actually 301 00:19:47,960 --> 00:19:51,840 Speaker 1: really impressive logistically the US was had I think there 302 00:19:51,880 --> 00:19:55,959 Speaker 1: were Corona satellites, yeah, in the Corona program, as satellites 303 00:19:56,000 --> 00:19:59,360 Speaker 1: over orbit and those things would take pictures and then 304 00:19:59,440 --> 00:20:04,960 Speaker 1: physically drop rolls of film and some hapless intern probably 305 00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:07,760 Speaker 1: had to go try to find it. It's like somewhere 306 00:20:07,800 --> 00:20:10,800 Speaker 1: in Utah or something. Uh So other countries of course 307 00:20:10,840 --> 00:20:15,040 Speaker 1: did this to Cosmos. Two four nine nine was a 308 00:20:15,160 --> 00:20:19,520 Speaker 1: Russian was a Russian satellite orbiting Earth that was launched 309 00:20:19,520 --> 00:20:26,280 Speaker 1: in two Nobody was sure what it was doing. They 310 00:20:26,359 --> 00:20:30,719 Speaker 1: did know that it was It was maneuverable, right, so 311 00:20:30,760 --> 00:20:34,960 Speaker 1: it could move around. Uh. It was one of several 312 00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:39,320 Speaker 1: satellites Russia launched into space. To this day, no one 313 00:20:39,400 --> 00:20:42,240 Speaker 1: knows what it was doing up there except there was 314 00:20:42,359 --> 00:20:46,560 Speaker 1: launched with other communication satellites. It was not on any 315 00:20:46,680 --> 00:20:53,800 Speaker 1: launch manifest. It was very off the books. And January fourth, 316 00:20:54,400 --> 00:20:57,600 Speaker 1: this thing started breaking up. So it's kind of like 317 00:20:57,640 --> 00:21:03,280 Speaker 1: if X thirty seven B just sort of started I 318 00:21:03,320 --> 00:21:05,359 Speaker 1: don't know the right English word for it, but started 319 00:21:05,440 --> 00:21:11,960 Speaker 1: kind of in space. Uh So we know that these 320 00:21:11,960 --> 00:21:15,320 Speaker 1: things can be dangerous, just regular satellites, right when the 321 00:21:15,359 --> 00:21:18,880 Speaker 1: debris starts going into the atmosphere, if it doesn't burn up. 322 00:21:19,440 --> 00:21:21,840 Speaker 1: But it's such a black box. It's a mystery, guys, 323 00:21:21,920 --> 00:21:24,520 Speaker 1: because no one knows what it was up to. Up there. 324 00:21:24,840 --> 00:21:28,040 Speaker 1: No one knows why it broke up, if it was planned, 325 00:21:28,560 --> 00:21:32,159 Speaker 1: if it was just you know, shoddy design. Since we 326 00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:34,639 Speaker 1: don't know why it was there, we don't know what 327 00:21:34,760 --> 00:21:38,439 Speaker 1: to make of what happened. What the clip we played 328 00:21:38,800 --> 00:21:41,199 Speaker 1: at the very beginning. You guys are so great at 329 00:21:41,240 --> 00:21:44,760 Speaker 1: this stuff, your spot on in these things. It basically 330 00:21:44,880 --> 00:21:49,000 Speaker 1: was kind of like a modem song because on November 331 00:21:51,320 --> 00:21:56,160 Speaker 1: it broadcasts morse code. That's what we heard. And we 332 00:21:56,280 --> 00:21:59,879 Speaker 1: owe a lot of this to a journalist named Anna 333 00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:03,359 Speaker 1: Totally Zach who has been tracing the movements of this 334 00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:08,080 Speaker 1: thing for quite some time on his website Russian Space Web. Also, 335 00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:11,399 Speaker 1: while we're shouting people out, shout out to Matthew Galt 336 00:22:11,400 --> 00:22:14,600 Speaker 1: over at Motherboard on Vice and shout out to the 337 00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:18,480 Speaker 1: Guardian for some excellent reporting there. But that's that's the headline. 338 00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:20,840 Speaker 1: Weird thing in the sky been there for a while, 339 00:22:21,119 --> 00:22:25,760 Speaker 1: started breaking up. No one knows why. My understanding of 340 00:22:25,760 --> 00:22:29,480 Speaker 1: it breaking up is that it just turned from one 341 00:22:29,480 --> 00:22:35,440 Speaker 1: satellite into like ninety pieces or something like that, like disintegration. 342 00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:37,679 Speaker 1: And that's not the right word. Um, I don't know. 343 00:22:37,720 --> 00:22:39,119 Speaker 1: You were searching for the word earlier. Bit and I 344 00:22:39,119 --> 00:22:40,960 Speaker 1: can't come up with it where it just becomes its 345 00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:44,560 Speaker 1: component parts. It's the legos all become single legos. Now, 346 00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:48,080 Speaker 1: when that happens and this thing is in the type 347 00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:50,919 Speaker 1: of orbit that it's in, doesn't it just become space 348 00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:54,359 Speaker 1: junk and more of the field of crap that's just 349 00:22:55,320 --> 00:22:58,080 Speaker 1: orbiting around Earth. Yeah? It could. I mean, that's a 350 00:22:58,119 --> 00:23:01,800 Speaker 1: good question, man, because it could returned towards Earth and 351 00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:04,680 Speaker 1: then just disintegrate in the atmosphere, right, which is very 352 00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:07,960 Speaker 1: tough to get through. Um, it could just be part 353 00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:12,080 Speaker 1: of that big redneck style front yard that low Earth 354 00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:16,320 Speaker 1: orbit has become, you know, uh right, now, we know 355 00:23:16,560 --> 00:23:21,159 Speaker 1: that Space Force, which is the real thing, is tracking 356 00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:25,880 Speaker 1: all these chunks of debris and they're pretty confident that 357 00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:27,639 Speaker 1: a lot of it is going to be in the 358 00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:31,560 Speaker 1: atmosphere for years and years. You can find some updates 359 00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:40,440 Speaker 1: on this from the Space Defense Squadron on Twitter STS. Yeah, yeah, 360 00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:44,560 Speaker 1: everyone's on Twitter now, right. Uh So, the few things 361 00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:46,960 Speaker 1: we do know about it is that the head of 362 00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:51,440 Speaker 1: the Russian Space Agency Rule Schools most said that Cosmos 363 00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:55,720 Speaker 1: two four nine nine was not a quote killer satellite 364 00:23:56,280 --> 00:23:59,800 Speaker 1: and that it was designed for research. I hope you 365 00:23:59,800 --> 00:24:02,680 Speaker 1: can hear the air quotes their folks because they didn't 366 00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:06,000 Speaker 1: say what kind of research it was yet, just like 367 00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:11,320 Speaker 1: heavn B and the blue Yeah, it's also been called 368 00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:16,560 Speaker 1: objecteen to eight e. I think cosmos is a way 369 00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:21,880 Speaker 1: a cooler name, right totally And yeah, yeah, just so, 370 00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:26,000 Speaker 1: and right before it had started to how about this 371 00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:34,000 Speaker 1: work disassemble? Maybe that's just self assemble or like what 372 00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:38,520 Speaker 1: happened to it right right before then? Uh, the current 373 00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:41,960 Speaker 1: The big guesses from the experts were that it was 374 00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:47,719 Speaker 1: perhaps an anti satellite weapon, a satellite maintenance vehicle, or 375 00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:53,320 Speaker 1: a collector of space debris, all of which would be impressive, right, 376 00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:58,200 Speaker 1: and all of which are arguably technologies that governments want 377 00:24:58,280 --> 00:25:01,920 Speaker 1: to have. But all people new for sure was that 378 00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:05,359 Speaker 1: it seemed to be experimental. It seemed to be an 379 00:25:05,359 --> 00:25:09,119 Speaker 1: improvement on what was already currently out there. And this 380 00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:14,560 Speaker 1: got me thinking how many secret satellites are above us 381 00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:18,080 Speaker 1: right now because you can't really hide them, you know, 382 00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:21,160 Speaker 1: well you know there's the flip side of that too, 383 00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:25,200 Speaker 1: is um all of a space debris? Right? I mean 384 00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:28,520 Speaker 1: is there any discussion or even interest or would it 385 00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:31,480 Speaker 1: be just logistically too much cleaning some of that up? 386 00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:34,960 Speaker 1: Or is it just logistically impossible given what it takes 387 00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:38,879 Speaker 1: to tote things around in space. It's tough. Uh So, 388 00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:43,880 Speaker 1: as far as we know, only one person has actually 389 00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:47,720 Speaker 1: been hit by space debris, by man made space debris, 390 00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:52,280 Speaker 1: and that dubious prize goes to Wattie Williams, not an astronaut, 391 00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:55,760 Speaker 1: a resident of Tulsa, Oklahoma, who was hit in the 392 00:25:55,840 --> 00:26:01,160 Speaker 1: shoulder by a piece in and sustained no injuries. It's 393 00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:03,560 Speaker 1: a very weird lottery to win. But I think we're 394 00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:06,760 Speaker 1: talking more about like trying to clean the front yard 395 00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:09,359 Speaker 1: of Earth, right, big picture, right, I mean, if we 396 00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:11,080 Speaker 1: if we if we don't start now, is in the 397 00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:14,639 Speaker 1: stuff is gonna collect and you know, before we know 398 00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:18,280 Speaker 1: it's obviously space is vast, but uh you don't, you know, 399 00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:20,320 Speaker 1: get to get ahead of the curve there. You could 400 00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:23,920 Speaker 1: be looking at pretty junkie space. Come you know, Oh yeah, 401 00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:26,639 Speaker 1: too terribly far in the future. Oh yeah, the future 402 00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:30,080 Speaker 1: is now. This is We're talking about stuff that could 403 00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:33,720 Speaker 1: be as small as a couple of little grains or 404 00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:38,960 Speaker 1: flakes of paint, or something as big as a midsize car, 405 00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:42,679 Speaker 1: a sedan. And the the huge danger about this stuff 406 00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:47,840 Speaker 1: is that it moves so quickly it becomes a projectile. 407 00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:51,520 Speaker 1: Even though satellites might look slow when you see them 408 00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:57,520 Speaker 1: from Earth, they're moving at UH twenty eight thousand kilometers 409 00:26:58,040 --> 00:27:02,600 Speaker 1: an hour, which is about seven teen thousand cocktail math 410 00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:08,000 Speaker 1: seventeen four miles an hour. It's pretty crazy even like 411 00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:12,119 Speaker 1: forget dropping a penny off the Empire State building. Anything 412 00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:15,560 Speaker 1: can be deadly at that speed. And we know will 413 00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:19,800 Speaker 1: be a problem when or if humanity starts exploring space 414 00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:23,639 Speaker 1: at scale, because you know, the United States has a 415 00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:26,439 Speaker 1: lot of stuff up there, but so does Russia, so 416 00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:30,080 Speaker 1: does China, so does India. Private companies are going to 417 00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:33,879 Speaker 1: be a big thing, just like uh, I mean, this 418 00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:36,320 Speaker 1: might be an episode for a different day, but we're 419 00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:39,399 Speaker 1: sort of looking at I would argue the formation of 420 00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:43,320 Speaker 1: a new East India company when it comes to lunar 421 00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:48,800 Speaker 1: lunar exploration and Martian exploration. And I don't know, like 422 00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:54,200 Speaker 1: right now, I I don't have much that I can 423 00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:59,600 Speaker 1: confirm about this thing, because no one outside of rules 424 00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:03,879 Speaker 1: coal most has anything they can confirm about it. It 425 00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:09,639 Speaker 1: was launched under shady circumstances. Absolutely no one knows what's 426 00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:13,560 Speaker 1: up with it. But we do have one interesting thing 427 00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:16,879 Speaker 1: that we could add here. Russia does have missiles to 428 00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:22,080 Speaker 1: shoot down satellites. They did it in the US did 429 00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:25,639 Speaker 1: it earlier, and of course China followed suit. So the 430 00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:30,680 Speaker 1: big the big three global powers in space are able 431 00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:33,919 Speaker 1: to shoot this stuff down. But wouldn't we have heard 432 00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:37,679 Speaker 1: about that. Wouldn't someone have said they could confirm the 433 00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:41,320 Speaker 1: satellite had been shot down? It loeems like it just 434 00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:48,600 Speaker 1: maybe broke down. Yeah, when did X s B last return? Oh? No, 435 00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:53,320 Speaker 1: I'm wrong, it was November. Okay, never mind if those 436 00:28:53,320 --> 00:29:00,880 Speaker 1: two things oh uh confirmed, I'm just um uh Hey, 437 00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:03,160 Speaker 1: would it be crazy to put in X thirty seven 438 00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:08,000 Speaker 1: B like vehicle up in in orbit like that? Make 439 00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:11,000 Speaker 1: sure it has a robust propulsion system so we can 440 00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:14,800 Speaker 1: move a bit when it's up there. Uh, have some 441 00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:20,240 Speaker 1: serious like vacuum arms, right hurt or grabber arms, and 442 00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:22,920 Speaker 1: it could put all that stuff into its payload the 443 00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:26,280 Speaker 1: size of a Tacoma truck bed, and then like package 444 00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:29,320 Speaker 1: it up in oh I don't know, huge balloons and 445 00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:34,200 Speaker 1: then drop it down to Earth to be plasma gasified. 446 00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:39,000 Speaker 1: Remember that whole process. It's a nice thought. It's a lovely, 447 00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:40,880 Speaker 1: lovely thought, man, And that's what I was, you know, 448 00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:43,720 Speaker 1: hoping there would be a solution. Of My understanding too, 449 00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:46,560 Speaker 1: is that you know, the biggest cost of space travel 450 00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:50,920 Speaker 1: is the payload, and typically we have higher priority things 451 00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:54,880 Speaker 1: to put on ships to and from space than then 452 00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:59,880 Speaker 1: space trash. I'm saying you like, somehow package up you 453 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:03,000 Speaker 1: in a in a space balloon like thing and then 454 00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:09,560 Speaker 1: room right, right, room, So get out of roomba, because 455 00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:12,360 Speaker 1: right now there are more than there are an estimate, 456 00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:17,240 Speaker 1: more than one thirty million objects in space man made 457 00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:20,600 Speaker 1: there at least one millimeter across in Earth orbit. So 458 00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:23,200 Speaker 1: it's going to be dangerous to walk through the front 459 00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:29,280 Speaker 1: yard pretty soon, even if you have amazing mathematical abilities, 460 00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:33,480 Speaker 1: right which all the space agencies do this stuff, this 461 00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:38,560 Speaker 1: mystery spy satellite, whatever Cosmos two four nine nine is 462 00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:43,880 Speaker 1: or was, it's going to take at least a century 463 00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:47,880 Speaker 1: for all those bits and pieces to make it down 464 00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:54,000 Speaker 1: to the atmosphere of Earth. And in the meantime, while 465 00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:57,720 Speaker 1: that stuff is slowly coming down and burning up, we 466 00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:00,880 Speaker 1: have to ask ourselves how many more satellites are going 467 00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:03,840 Speaker 1: to be launched and what will they be doing up there? 468 00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:07,480 Speaker 1: With that chilling thought, we're gonna pause for a word 469 00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:10,640 Speaker 1: from our sponsors, and we'll be back with more strange news. 470 00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:21,720 Speaker 1: And we're back, guys, we're gonna talk about spies and 471 00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:27,400 Speaker 1: intelligence agencies. You're ready, yes, okay, Let's introduce the primary 472 00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:32,840 Speaker 1: character within this story, Mr Charles F McGonagall. This person, 473 00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:35,320 Speaker 1: if you google his name right now, will be described 474 00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:39,960 Speaker 1: most commonly as quote a former high level FBI official. 475 00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:45,560 Speaker 1: His official title before retiring was Special Agent in charge 476 00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:50,840 Speaker 1: of the New York FBI Counter Intelligence Division. Now that's 477 00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:54,520 Speaker 1: a special agent that's in charge. Guys, do we know 478 00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:58,240 Speaker 1: much about what that means? If you're a special agent 479 00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:00,720 Speaker 1: in charge, that means you're probably pretty high up in 480 00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:04,240 Speaker 1: the UH in the pecking order at the FBI. Right, Yeah, 481 00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:07,240 Speaker 1: you're special, Yeah, I would assume so. I I guess 482 00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:10,240 Speaker 1: you get like you get better seeding in the cafeteria 483 00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:13,520 Speaker 1: than the regular agents. It would be funny if it 484 00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:18,360 Speaker 1: was a regular agent in charge. Nobody says regular anymore. 485 00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:21,120 Speaker 1: It's always like classic or signature. You know, at least 486 00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:25,080 Speaker 1: some restaurants on a signature agent. That's funny you mentioned that, 487 00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:27,000 Speaker 1: But I started to derail really quickly. It's went to 488 00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:31,120 Speaker 1: the cracker barrel on the weekend and he they serve 489 00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:34,000 Speaker 1: alcohol there now, which is weird. Change the vibe a 490 00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:37,840 Speaker 1: little bit, and be so many signature things on that menu, 491 00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:40,640 Speaker 1: and I'm like, what does this even mean? Who's signature? 492 00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:44,360 Speaker 1: Who I want to name associated with a signature dish 493 00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:47,520 Speaker 1: or drink. There's one that was just a signature hot cocoa. 494 00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:51,040 Speaker 1: It just was hot cocoa, you know. Anyway I digress. 495 00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:54,479 Speaker 1: It's like when people say, uh, when people put hand 496 00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:58,320 Speaker 1: in the description of a food, like hand hand spun, 497 00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:01,840 Speaker 1: hand cut, hand spot anyway. Yeah, Like, okay, so if 498 00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:04,840 Speaker 1: I met checked me on this and may be incorrect, Um, 499 00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:11,880 Speaker 1: I believe special agent in charges definitely supervisory position, but 500 00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:15,160 Speaker 1: not so much admin. They're just kind of they're almost 501 00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:20,840 Speaker 1: like the executive producer of whatever the thing being investigated is. 502 00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:26,240 Speaker 1: Does that comparisson work, Yeah, sure, but definitely a gatekeeper 503 00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:30,600 Speaker 1: of a lot of classified information. Okay, And they're in 504 00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:33,560 Speaker 1: charge and they're in New York and they're dealing with 505 00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:37,800 Speaker 1: counter intelligence. That that's what this position means. And this, 506 00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:40,240 Speaker 1: by the way, this one was we were talking about 507 00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:43,360 Speaker 1: this off air before we started recording. I think I 508 00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:46,680 Speaker 1: may have heard maybe a headline about this, but otherwise 509 00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:49,520 Speaker 1: this is completely new to me. I totally missed this one. 510 00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:52,040 Speaker 1: So I'm right there with you, fellow listeners. Awesome, Well, 511 00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:54,800 Speaker 1: we're gonna learn a lot, not everything right now, maybe 512 00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:56,320 Speaker 1: a little bit down the line, but we're gonna talk 513 00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:58,760 Speaker 1: about it. So you may have heard about this guy 514 00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:04,120 Speaker 1: since about Nuary of this year. He uh, he's been 515 00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:06,800 Speaker 1: getting in some trouble, a lot of trouble right now. 516 00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:09,920 Speaker 1: He worked for the FBI for a total of twenty 517 00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:16,200 Speaker 1: two years and then he retired in and uh this 518 00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:21,000 Speaker 1: past January, on the twenty second, he was arrested while 519 00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:25,000 Speaker 1: at JFK Airport in New York City, and he was 520 00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:30,480 Speaker 1: charged with a bunch of things cigarettes, yes, mostly loose cigarettes, 521 00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:34,960 Speaker 1: but also also violated with the lucy every time, yeah 522 00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:39,279 Speaker 1: every time, also violating U S sanctions on loose cigarettes sales. 523 00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:45,360 Speaker 1: He was allegedly working in one with this Russian oligarch. 524 00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:47,839 Speaker 1: I don't know if you've ever mentioned this particular one, 525 00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:50,480 Speaker 1: guys who mentioned several, but this is a Russian oligarch 526 00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:56,080 Speaker 1: who was sanctioned for allegedly interfering in the sixteen presidential election. 527 00:34:56,800 --> 00:35:00,400 Speaker 1: This guy's name is Oleg Dura Pasca d r I 528 00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:03,400 Speaker 1: p A s k A. So he's allegedly working with 529 00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:06,239 Speaker 1: this dude. Uh. And that's what the violating U. S. 530 00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:09,439 Speaker 1: Sanctions was about, because that guy was sanctioned. UM. He's 531 00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:13,840 Speaker 1: also charged with conspiracy and with money laundering and basically 532 00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:16,680 Speaker 1: receiving a bunch of money from this oligarch and people 533 00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:21,440 Speaker 1: who worked with him. UM. He's also charged with concealing 534 00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:26,759 Speaker 1: connections he had with some person who worked earlier for 535 00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:32,080 Speaker 1: an Albanian intelligence agency. So like concealing the connections that 536 00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:36,680 Speaker 1: he had with other people with foreign nationals. He also 537 00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:41,400 Speaker 1: was concealing a bunch of overseas travel. So that's a 538 00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:44,600 Speaker 1: big no no. When you're, you know, in the FBI 539 00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:46,839 Speaker 1: or an intelligence agency, you've got to let people know 540 00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:49,040 Speaker 1: when you're going overseas and who you're going to be 541 00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:52,480 Speaker 1: meeting with. That disclosure of that information is very important 542 00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:56,759 Speaker 1: to the people above special agent in charge UH as 543 00:35:56,760 --> 00:36:00,279 Speaker 1: well as supposed to be really important special agents in charge. UH. 544 00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:03,680 Speaker 1: But yeah, he he wasn't talking about any of that stuff. 545 00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:07,680 Speaker 1: He was meeting with Albanian intelligence folks, and he was 546 00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:11,880 Speaker 1: receiving a ton of money, allegedly two and twenty five 547 00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:17,120 Speaker 1: thousand dollars in payments. One of the payments he was 548 00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:20,040 Speaker 1: sitting in a car in New York City and received 549 00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:24,480 Speaker 1: eighty thousand dollars in payment for something which was apparently 550 00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:34,120 Speaker 1: observed by the FBI investigation. Doesn't like he would just think, 551 00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:38,920 Speaker 1: I mean, wouldn't you think that if you're if you 552 00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:44,960 Speaker 1: were that versed encounter intelligence, you would be able to 553 00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:52,000 Speaker 1: reverse engineer at least some collection procedures that would not 554 00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:55,120 Speaker 1: get you caught, Like, Oh, I'm in the core, I'm 555 00:36:55,120 --> 00:37:00,560 Speaker 1: in the envelope. It just doesn't seem very clever. There's 556 00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:03,520 Speaker 1: a lot going on here that kind of just blows 557 00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:06,640 Speaker 1: my mind. You can read a ton about this in CNN, 558 00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:10,080 Speaker 1: if you want to go there, you can read let's see, 559 00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:12,759 Speaker 1: it's the January article I was reading, the title of 560 00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:17,160 Speaker 1: which is former high level FBI official pleads not guilty 561 00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:21,560 Speaker 1: and alleged schemes to help sanctioned Russian oligark. They've got 562 00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:24,280 Speaker 1: a bunch of other writing on it that's more recent. 563 00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:27,640 Speaker 1: The other one you can find is titled he was 564 00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:31,080 Speaker 1: one of these rock stars. Former FBI agents shocked at 565 00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:34,759 Speaker 1: the indictment of one of their own. Uh yeah. It's 566 00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:37,319 Speaker 1: also in the times. It's also an insider. I would 567 00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:39,120 Speaker 1: just say, if you're going to look into it right now, 568 00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:43,760 Speaker 1: go to insider like business insider dot com. They've got 569 00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:49,880 Speaker 1: two huge articles, ones titled exclusive the FBI's McGonagall Labyrinth 570 00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:53,480 Speaker 1: and the other one is inside the extramarital affair and 571 00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:57,520 Speaker 1: cash fuel double life of Charles McGonagall. Very fascinating stuff. 572 00:37:57,760 --> 00:38:01,400 Speaker 1: So question or a couple of questions. So we know 573 00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:06,479 Speaker 1: he was not actively a member of the FBI right 574 00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:10,960 Speaker 1: when he was when he's okay, So here here's the 575 00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:14,520 Speaker 1: revolving door kind of thing. We talked a lot on 576 00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:19,839 Speaker 1: this show. So McGonagall retires in ten then he goes 577 00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:22,959 Speaker 1: on to work for a law firm in New York. 578 00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:25,279 Speaker 1: He's working there as a consultant. This guy knows a 579 00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:28,000 Speaker 1: lot about this kind of stuff and he's working on 580 00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:32,000 Speaker 1: the sanctions of this guy Jara Posca, and the court 581 00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:36,600 Speaker 1: filings state that he at some point traveled to London 582 00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:40,520 Speaker 1: in two thousand nineteen, also went to Vienna and he 583 00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:44,400 Speaker 1: met he like met directly with this guy with this oligarch. 584 00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:47,440 Speaker 1: He met with others who were connected to the oligarch, 585 00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:52,520 Speaker 1: and the discussions were around getting him delisted from the 586 00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:56,239 Speaker 1: list of those sanctioned by the United States. So he 587 00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:58,960 Speaker 1: was working directly for this guy to help him out, 588 00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:03,480 Speaker 1: which is maybe fine. I don't know, is that fine? 589 00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:09,279 Speaker 1: Is that wrong? He's not right, But he still has 590 00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:14,239 Speaker 1: the FBI connections, you know, even after a retirement or 591 00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:17,880 Speaker 1: debrief or something. And there are some gangs you don't 592 00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:20,160 Speaker 1: ever get out of, you know what I mean. So 593 00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:22,600 Speaker 1: it would be kind of naive to pretend that he 594 00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:27,120 Speaker 1: couldn't call someone. I love the New York Times article 595 00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:31,400 Speaker 1: that you hooked us up with here, Matt, because there 596 00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:35,799 Speaker 1: there's accounts of him, like the FBI trying to make 597 00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:39,080 Speaker 1: this guy a potential informant, feeling them out for that, 598 00:39:39,239 --> 00:39:43,280 Speaker 1: and then later the oligarch comes back and says, hey, 599 00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:46,719 Speaker 1: will you help get my daughter and internship? You know, 600 00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:49,680 Speaker 1: these are things that these are things that people who 601 00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:55,160 Speaker 1: are oligarchs and and counter spies do on a daily basis, right, 602 00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:58,480 Speaker 1: help get my kid into college and so on. But okay, 603 00:39:58,560 --> 00:40:00,560 Speaker 1: So my other question is like, but Ben, you you 604 00:40:00,680 --> 00:40:02,120 Speaker 1: hit on the right thing first before you get to 605 00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:05,880 Speaker 1: that question, Because while he was employed by the FBI 606 00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:11,120 Speaker 1: in that position, he was in charge of investigating these oligarchs, 607 00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:14,080 Speaker 1: keeping tabs on them, making sure they're not able to 608 00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:16,600 Speaker 1: move their money and they're not making any weird moves. 609 00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:20,360 Speaker 1: Basically spying on these oligarchs. Then when he retires, he 610 00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:23,040 Speaker 1: ends up going and working for a law firm that 611 00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:27,160 Speaker 1: then helps out this oligarch. Then in according to the 612 00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:32,520 Speaker 1: court documents, McGonagall and another person started working directly for 613 00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:36,560 Speaker 1: the oligarch. So they took they cut the middleman that 614 00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:38,560 Speaker 1: was the law firm out and he was just working 615 00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:41,240 Speaker 1: for this oligarch. Now, okay, So I guess the next 616 00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:44,840 Speaker 1: question is, and I don't know if there's an answer. 617 00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:46,560 Speaker 1: I think you're right, this has to be an episode. 618 00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:53,440 Speaker 1: Is there Do we have any visibility or understanding on 619 00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:58,520 Speaker 1: on mcgonagle's motivation, Like you know, a lot of times 620 00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:01,680 Speaker 1: people get turned because they have gambling debts or there's 621 00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:07,560 Speaker 1: blackmail on them or something. I don't know. Oh, there's 622 00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:13,000 Speaker 1: definitely something there. He liked money. No, I'm just joking. Sorry, 623 00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:17,759 Speaker 1: I just rewatched The Deocracy all our morning shout out 624 00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:21,920 Speaker 1: that that Shepherd that was so great his podcast. President 625 00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:26,520 Speaker 1: Camacho was that guy with the machine guns that stuff. Man, 626 00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:30,640 Speaker 1: Some people appreciate bit of cinema that was. I really 627 00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:34,480 Speaker 1: enjoyed it, you know. Well, But to seriously answer that question, 628 00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:37,040 Speaker 1: I do not know exactly. There's there's a ton of 629 00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:39,959 Speaker 1: writing in Business Insider that I haven't even gotten to yet, 630 00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:42,799 Speaker 1: so because I've just started digging into this guy's But 631 00:41:43,719 --> 00:41:46,600 Speaker 1: he did have a girlfriend that lived with him, I 632 00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:50,040 Speaker 1: think in Park Slope or like, they lived together in 633 00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:52,840 Speaker 1: a one bedroom in Park Slope. He was married and 634 00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:56,920 Speaker 1: they they were ending, Like he kept telling his girlfriend 635 00:41:56,920 --> 00:41:59,759 Speaker 1: they're ending the marriage soon and all this stuff. He 636 00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:03,200 Speaker 1: was using two phones because the FBI put out a 637 00:42:03,239 --> 00:42:06,440 Speaker 1: memo that they had to stop using What's App, and 638 00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:09,759 Speaker 1: he was like, oh crap, all my contacts remember what's app. 639 00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:11,799 Speaker 1: So then he had two iPhones that he would carry 640 00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:14,960 Speaker 1: around at all times. One was for I guess his 641 00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:21,320 Speaker 1: Russian contacts in Albanian contacts. Uh, it's a really fascinating 642 00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:24,120 Speaker 1: I get that. One is in Business Insider if you 643 00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:27,360 Speaker 1: want to read all about that. Hmm. I'm seeing another 644 00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:30,160 Speaker 1: tippet here on one of the articles you linked, this 645 00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:35,480 Speaker 1: one by uh Matthias Schwartz, where it talks about the 646 00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:40,360 Speaker 1: previous presidential administration using the mcgonagal case as a way 647 00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:44,240 Speaker 1: to discredit the FBI, uh, for the moral lago stuff. 648 00:42:44,239 --> 00:42:47,200 Speaker 1: I mean, like the thing is regardless of whether or 649 00:42:47,239 --> 00:42:49,640 Speaker 1: not you live in the US, regardless of where you 650 00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:53,600 Speaker 1: find yourself on the political spectrum. We have to realize 651 00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:56,520 Speaker 1: that one of the reasons this is so important to 652 00:42:56,560 --> 00:43:00,360 Speaker 1: the FBI, it's not always uh the clear reason you 653 00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:04,040 Speaker 1: would think. It's not just a matter of national security. 654 00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:07,239 Speaker 1: It's a matter of agency credibility as well. Right, Like 655 00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:13,120 Speaker 1: if you if one person does something this bad and 656 00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:17,200 Speaker 1: gets away for this long, then it makes everything else 657 00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:22,200 Speaker 1: the organization does suspect. So this is this is a 658 00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:25,560 Speaker 1: real kick in the pants for the FBI, even though 659 00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:28,319 Speaker 1: they caught the guy, right am I writing it? Oh yeah, 660 00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:31,320 Speaker 1: that's a pants kick. It's another reason that we should 661 00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:35,920 Speaker 1: probably be paying you know, government officials more money, at 662 00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:38,279 Speaker 1: least the ones that are supposed to be spying or 663 00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:41,879 Speaker 1: protecting or you know that kind of thing. You might 664 00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:44,840 Speaker 1: reduce some corruption if you could pay them quite a 665 00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:48,120 Speaker 1: bit more, But I don't know, maybe not. Also, I 666 00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:54,160 Speaker 1: mean seriously, like the level of scrutiny that someone at 667 00:43:54,640 --> 00:43:59,399 Speaker 1: that position is in is pretty nuts. I mean, you're 668 00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:04,160 Speaker 1: like other foreign agencies are looking at you the way 669 00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:06,880 Speaker 1: Twitter looks at a celebrity, right, they want to know 670 00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:11,239 Speaker 1: all about your stuff. And and if you're in um, 671 00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:15,520 Speaker 1: if you are committing adultery, aren't you kind of in 672 00:44:15,560 --> 00:44:20,560 Speaker 1: some ways signaling two foreign powers that you're down with deception. 673 00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:26,640 Speaker 1: It's some really good points. Uh yeah, man, that's that's 674 00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:28,680 Speaker 1: a little bit of a wink wink, nudge nudge kind 675 00:44:28,719 --> 00:44:31,880 Speaker 1: of situation. Um, at least, at the very least, it 676 00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:36,440 Speaker 1: shows that you are not averse to it for better 677 00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:39,880 Speaker 1: or worse. Oh yeah, Like if you're already cheating on 678 00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:42,759 Speaker 1: your spouse, then what's to stop you from cheating on 679 00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:47,600 Speaker 1: your country? Maybe? I don't know. Oh, this is Matt, 680 00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:51,600 Speaker 1: This like this has to be an episode. This is nuts. 681 00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:53,919 Speaker 1: How did I think? So? It's a deep rabbit hole. 682 00:44:54,520 --> 00:44:57,399 Speaker 1: I'll leave you here with a quote from that same 683 00:44:57,440 --> 00:45:00,480 Speaker 1: Business Insider article that you're talking to out there been 684 00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:04,320 Speaker 1: quote the access you get in that job, speaking of 685 00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:07,880 Speaker 1: the one that McGonagall was in, is extraordinary. One senior 686 00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:12,279 Speaker 1: law enforcement insider said, quote, it's almost bottomless. If you're 687 00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:15,799 Speaker 1: running FBI counter intelligence in New York, you can get 688 00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:20,040 Speaker 1: your hands on almost anything you want. You don't always 689 00:45:20,080 --> 00:45:22,759 Speaker 1: have to make excuses for why you're asking for it. 690 00:45:23,360 --> 00:45:27,560 Speaker 1: What this is like the time years back when we're 691 00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:31,680 Speaker 1: asking our bosses like, hey, do we somehow maybe get 692 00:45:31,719 --> 00:45:35,680 Speaker 1: an astronaut suit? So this guy could just make these 693 00:45:35,680 --> 00:45:39,200 Speaker 1: wild requests. You could just be like, I need four 694 00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:47,200 Speaker 1: hundred left foot air. Jordan's bottomless access sounds pretty good 695 00:45:47,239 --> 00:45:53,440 Speaker 1: to me. Wink, Sorry, sounds like another sounds like a 696 00:45:53,520 --> 00:45:56,759 Speaker 1: signature dish, a cracker barrel. Right, I'll have the bottomless 697 00:45:56,880 --> 00:46:02,960 Speaker 1: access Sualdsberry crazy for this one day. There we go, 698 00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:05,680 Speaker 1: all right, So more to come from that, hopefully in 699 00:46:05,719 --> 00:46:09,360 Speaker 1: the near future. And speaking of the near future, tune 700 00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:12,120 Speaker 1: in later this week when we do one of our 701 00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:17,120 Speaker 1: favorite parts of the show, Correspondence from you and your 702 00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:22,520 Speaker 1: fellow listeners. We're going to have a wild ride ahead. 703 00:46:23,040 --> 00:46:25,279 Speaker 1: I hope so, because we're about to record it. So 704 00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:28,800 Speaker 1: I don't want to overpromise, but if you want to 705 00:46:28,840 --> 00:46:32,120 Speaker 1: be part of this show, we'd love to have you 706 00:46:32,160 --> 00:46:35,000 Speaker 1: on board. All you have to do is find us 707 00:46:35,040 --> 00:46:39,160 Speaker 1: somehow on the Internet or other ways where Yeah, you 708 00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:42,120 Speaker 1: can find us all over the place. Man on Twitter 709 00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:46,640 Speaker 1: and Facebook, we're conspiracy stuff. Also on YouTube, conspiracy stuff 710 00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:51,600 Speaker 1: on TikTok and Instagram Conspiracy Stuff Show. Those are the 711 00:46:51,600 --> 00:46:54,160 Speaker 1: places you can find us on social But there's other 712 00:46:54,200 --> 00:46:57,200 Speaker 1: stuff you can do. Yeah, there's a there's another thing. Well, 713 00:46:57,239 --> 00:46:58,880 Speaker 1: there's two other things that we'll get to the first 714 00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:01,560 Speaker 1: one first. Like you, it's telephone number. 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