1 00:00:01,120 --> 00:00:03,560 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff You Should Know, a production of five 2 00:00:03,600 --> 00:00:12,640 Speaker 1: Heart Radios How Stuff Works. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. 3 00:00:12,680 --> 00:00:15,600 Speaker 1: I'm Josh Clark, and there's Charles W. Chuck Bryan over there, 4 00:00:15,640 --> 00:00:20,480 Speaker 1: and this is Stuff you Should Know about porcupines, which 5 00:00:21,040 --> 00:00:25,119 Speaker 1: this is a great idea, Chuck, good job. You know 6 00:00:26,360 --> 00:00:31,040 Speaker 1: the porcupine. When you take away all those quills, it's 7 00:00:31,080 --> 00:00:35,560 Speaker 1: just a cute little guinea pig basically a giant one. Yeah, 8 00:00:35,640 --> 00:00:40,880 Speaker 1: a cute big guinea pig. Speaking of cute porcupines, Dude, 9 00:00:41,159 --> 00:00:44,280 Speaker 1: do you remember Teddy Bear the porcupine kind of went 10 00:00:44,320 --> 00:00:48,559 Speaker 1: a little viral a few years ago. You have to 11 00:00:48,600 --> 00:00:53,680 Speaker 1: watch Teddy Bear the porcupine, specifically Teddy Teddy Bear the 12 00:00:53,680 --> 00:00:57,680 Speaker 1: porcupine doesn't like to share on YouTube. And it is 13 00:00:57,720 --> 00:01:01,000 Speaker 1: this porcupine eating corn on the cop and making all 14 00:01:01,040 --> 00:01:03,920 Speaker 1: these sounds like cousin it and it is one of 15 00:01:04,000 --> 00:01:08,240 Speaker 1: the cutest things I've ever seen in my entire life. Yeah, 16 00:01:08,280 --> 00:01:13,399 Speaker 1: we want to shout out Live Science, Smithsonian, Mental Floss, 17 00:01:13,520 --> 00:01:16,920 Speaker 1: the San Diego Zoo, and a couple of other websites 18 00:01:16,959 --> 00:01:20,280 Speaker 1: that I coupled together this wonderful bit on one of 19 00:01:20,280 --> 00:01:23,880 Speaker 1: our wonderful animal friends in the world. We'd love to 20 00:01:23,880 --> 00:01:27,360 Speaker 1: do these shows. Uh. It just made me think, have 21 00:01:27,440 --> 00:01:31,440 Speaker 1: you seen the octopus documentary thing yet? No? I haven't. 22 00:01:31,480 --> 00:01:34,360 Speaker 1: I'ven't been like kind of popping up in my in 23 00:01:34,440 --> 00:01:37,360 Speaker 1: my periphery. I don't really know what it is. Is 24 00:01:37,400 --> 00:01:40,840 Speaker 1: it just about OCTOPI well, it's it's called My Octopus Teacher. 25 00:01:40,840 --> 00:01:42,840 Speaker 1: I haven't seen it yet, but I just know the 26 00:01:42,840 --> 00:01:45,840 Speaker 1: the deal is this guy kind of gets to know 27 00:01:46,120 --> 00:01:49,680 Speaker 1: one octopus and that's, you know, a nice story in 28 00:01:49,760 --> 00:01:52,160 Speaker 1: suos is all. I know? That's neat. We'll have to 29 00:01:52,200 --> 00:01:55,320 Speaker 1: watch that. Yeah, I can't. I can't wait. But um, 30 00:01:55,360 --> 00:01:57,000 Speaker 1: and I mentioned that because you know, we've a long 31 00:01:57,040 --> 00:02:00,320 Speaker 1: said that the octopus is our favorite animal, but feel 32 00:02:00,320 --> 00:02:02,920 Speaker 1: like almost every time we've done one on an animal, 33 00:02:03,320 --> 00:02:05,760 Speaker 1: it's on something that we love. And boy do I 34 00:02:05,840 --> 00:02:10,040 Speaker 1: love the quill pig. I do too. Yeah, apparently that's 35 00:02:10,080 --> 00:02:15,480 Speaker 1: what the their Latin name means, quill pig. That is 36 00:02:15,520 --> 00:02:18,600 Speaker 1: fantastic um. And it turns out a chuck that there 37 00:02:18,600 --> 00:02:23,119 Speaker 1: are basically two groups that porcupines get lumped into. There's 38 00:02:23,120 --> 00:02:26,320 Speaker 1: a bunch of different gene genei yeah that's right, and 39 00:02:26,400 --> 00:02:30,919 Speaker 1: species um. But there they basically fall under two categories. 40 00:02:30,919 --> 00:02:34,560 Speaker 1: It's Old World, which is Europe, Africa, Asia, and the 41 00:02:34,639 --> 00:02:38,600 Speaker 1: New World, which is North, South and Central America. Um. 42 00:02:39,040 --> 00:02:43,000 Speaker 1: And if you saw a you know, porcupine in South 43 00:02:43,040 --> 00:02:47,280 Speaker 1: America and you saw one in you know, the Himalayas, 44 00:02:48,040 --> 00:02:51,360 Speaker 1: you probably would be like, that's porcupine. That's porcupine too. 45 00:02:51,480 --> 00:02:54,399 Speaker 1: They're not radically different like some Old World and New 46 00:02:54,440 --> 00:02:58,880 Speaker 1: worlds um um animals are. Yeah. But something I saw 47 00:02:58,919 --> 00:03:02,919 Speaker 1: that was interesting was that they evolved separately what one 48 00:03:02,960 --> 00:03:08,000 Speaker 1: of those what is it called co evolutions or whatever. No, 49 00:03:08,400 --> 00:03:11,600 Speaker 1: I didn't see that. That's that is crazy. I saw that, 50 00:03:11,639 --> 00:03:14,840 Speaker 1: and I only saw it in one place, So I 51 00:03:14,880 --> 00:03:17,720 Speaker 1: think that might have been a personal hypothesis as somebody 52 00:03:17,720 --> 00:03:21,200 Speaker 1: who got them maybe website. I saw it somewhere though. Uh. 53 00:03:21,240 --> 00:03:24,919 Speaker 1: And then the two actually, um, the Old World in 54 00:03:24,919 --> 00:03:28,480 Speaker 1: the New World have less in common than they do 55 00:03:28,639 --> 00:03:32,960 Speaker 1: individually with like some other rodents in their area. Yeah, 56 00:03:33,080 --> 00:03:35,920 Speaker 1: so I'm actually not surprised to hear that. But the 57 00:03:35,960 --> 00:03:39,320 Speaker 1: one thing that they do have in common across the 58 00:03:39,320 --> 00:03:41,960 Speaker 1: board is that they have quills, and that they use 59 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:45,440 Speaker 1: their quills defensively. Now what their quills look like, um, 60 00:03:45,480 --> 00:03:48,440 Speaker 1: how they use their quills. Um. There's a lot of 61 00:03:48,440 --> 00:03:51,880 Speaker 1: other distinctions and differences between Old World and New World, 62 00:03:52,240 --> 00:03:55,200 Speaker 1: but they all have quilts. They're all porcupines. That seems 63 00:03:55,240 --> 00:03:57,600 Speaker 1: to be the thing that that binds them. It's the 64 00:03:57,600 --> 00:04:01,080 Speaker 1: tie that binds that family. Yeah, and it's just it's 65 00:04:01,120 --> 00:04:03,480 Speaker 1: easy to take the porcupine for granted, I think, and 66 00:04:03,560 --> 00:04:06,720 Speaker 1: just say, yeah, that the little animal with all those quills. 67 00:04:06,840 --> 00:04:09,760 Speaker 1: But when you take a step back and look at 68 00:04:09,760 --> 00:04:15,320 Speaker 1: it and think about the evolution of the porcupine, that uh, 69 00:04:15,440 --> 00:04:18,480 Speaker 1: like I said, it's sort of would be a very large, 70 00:04:18,600 --> 00:04:21,800 Speaker 1: sort of cute, little fluffy guinea pig, but it probably 71 00:04:21,839 --> 00:04:25,880 Speaker 1: got eaten a lot um and then you know, they 72 00:04:25,880 --> 00:04:28,600 Speaker 1: said nuts to this nature steps in. It's like, all right, 73 00:04:28,600 --> 00:04:33,200 Speaker 1: how about this. What if we were just animal pincushions 74 00:04:34,160 --> 00:04:37,120 Speaker 1: such that if he came anywhere near us, you would 75 00:04:37,160 --> 00:04:41,000 Speaker 1: be stabbed repeatedly if you tried to eat us. Like, 76 00:04:41,080 --> 00:04:45,680 Speaker 1: It's one of the most amazing evolutionary adaptations I've ever seen. Yeah, 77 00:04:45,720 --> 00:04:48,719 Speaker 1: and I mean they they can really use those things too. Um. 78 00:04:48,800 --> 00:04:52,360 Speaker 1: There's a longstanding myth that they can shoot them, which 79 00:04:52,480 --> 00:04:55,240 Speaker 1: is not true. But apparently even Aristotle fell for that one. 80 00:04:55,279 --> 00:04:58,919 Speaker 1: And what a dummy. But they can use them in 81 00:04:58,960 --> 00:05:01,800 Speaker 1: some pretty interesting way. And you hit the nail on 82 00:05:01,839 --> 00:05:04,920 Speaker 1: the head when you said, you know, step back if 83 00:05:04,920 --> 00:05:07,599 Speaker 1: you see a porcupine, that is good advice. You should 84 00:05:07,600 --> 00:05:11,400 Speaker 1: probably step back because depending on these the species, or 85 00:05:11,440 --> 00:05:13,960 Speaker 1: whether it's Old World or New World, those quills can 86 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:17,719 Speaker 1: mess you up pretty good. Yeah. But also you know, 87 00:05:18,800 --> 00:05:20,599 Speaker 1: get nearby and take a look, like they're not going 88 00:05:20,680 --> 00:05:23,479 Speaker 1: to come after you. That porcupine is a very kind 89 00:05:23,520 --> 00:05:28,680 Speaker 1: hearted animal and those are for defense. A porcupine is 90 00:05:28,760 --> 00:05:32,000 Speaker 1: never going to charge you and you know, leap at 91 00:05:32,040 --> 00:05:36,680 Speaker 1: your belly to to put quills all in your stomach. Um, 92 00:05:36,760 --> 00:05:39,839 Speaker 1: So take a little look, admire it for what it is. UM. 93 00:05:39,880 --> 00:05:42,200 Speaker 1: I think you know, to talk about porcupine is a 94 00:05:42,200 --> 00:05:45,440 Speaker 1: lot of this is talking about the Old World versus 95 00:05:45,520 --> 00:05:52,839 Speaker 1: the Rush version. Yeah, so the big differences that I saw, UM, 96 00:05:52,880 --> 00:05:55,719 Speaker 1: And there's lots of differences between different species within each 97 00:05:55,760 --> 00:05:58,400 Speaker 1: of these groups, but the Old World versus New World 98 00:05:58,480 --> 00:06:01,919 Speaker 1: has some big differences between a UM, and one of 99 00:06:01,920 --> 00:06:05,720 Speaker 1: them is that Old World are typically terrestrial porcupines. They 100 00:06:05,720 --> 00:06:08,720 Speaker 1: spend most of their lives on the ground. UM. They 101 00:06:08,880 --> 00:06:12,279 Speaker 1: live in burrows or caves, or rock dens and New 102 00:06:12,320 --> 00:06:15,120 Speaker 1: World porcupines they live on the ground too. They live 103 00:06:15,160 --> 00:06:19,599 Speaker 1: in burrows, but they're also very capable of climbing trees. UM, 104 00:06:19,680 --> 00:06:22,840 Speaker 1: and they'll they'll spend a significant amount of time and 105 00:06:22,880 --> 00:06:25,640 Speaker 1: sometimes nest in trees. And there are some species that 106 00:06:25,680 --> 00:06:30,279 Speaker 1: spend virtually their whole lives and trees, almost like sloths. Yeah. UM. 107 00:06:30,520 --> 00:06:34,560 Speaker 1: Quill wise, uh, the New World porcupines quills are going 108 00:06:34,600 --> 00:06:37,560 Speaker 1: to be shorter and smaller in general. I think they're 109 00:06:37,560 --> 00:06:41,800 Speaker 1: about four to ten four inches ten centimeters UM. The 110 00:06:41,880 --> 00:06:46,280 Speaker 1: Old World dudes and ladies they can get very long. 111 00:06:46,320 --> 00:06:49,279 Speaker 1: They can have quills up to twenty inches long. UM. 112 00:06:49,279 --> 00:06:52,520 Speaker 1: They can be marked with UM black and white bands. 113 00:06:52,720 --> 00:06:55,440 Speaker 1: And what they can do is these Old World guys 114 00:06:55,480 --> 00:06:58,159 Speaker 1: can puff them up UM, so they stand up and 115 00:06:58,160 --> 00:07:01,840 Speaker 1: are more intimidating and look Also. I mean it's weird 116 00:07:01,880 --> 00:07:04,320 Speaker 1: because it's it's like multi fuld like four or five 117 00:07:04,360 --> 00:07:07,400 Speaker 1: different things they do. By doing this, they look larger, 118 00:07:08,320 --> 00:07:11,680 Speaker 1: So that's always something that UM vulnerable animals try to 119 00:07:11,720 --> 00:07:15,040 Speaker 1: do in the wild. They look like a skunk a 120 00:07:15,080 --> 00:07:17,160 Speaker 1: little bit because of the black and white marking down 121 00:07:17,160 --> 00:07:21,160 Speaker 1: their back. They actually have a defensive musk kind of 122 00:07:21,200 --> 00:07:24,160 Speaker 1: like a a skunk, but just not nearly as bad. Yeah, 123 00:07:24,160 --> 00:07:27,240 Speaker 1: So they try to imitate a skunk a little bit. Um, 124 00:07:27,280 --> 00:07:30,840 Speaker 1: they look bigger, they they rattle. They can shake those 125 00:07:30,880 --> 00:07:34,240 Speaker 1: things and rattle them, which is another great adaptation to say, 126 00:07:34,240 --> 00:07:35,880 Speaker 1: like get away from me and don't try and eat me. 127 00:07:36,440 --> 00:07:39,800 Speaker 1: And supposedly that works pretty well too. Yeah, totally. And 128 00:07:39,840 --> 00:07:44,680 Speaker 1: then if all else fails, they're stabby. They are stabby. 129 00:07:44,760 --> 00:07:48,840 Speaker 1: So um. Sometimes the old world ones will actually charge 130 00:07:48,920 --> 00:07:52,080 Speaker 1: backwards toward a predator if they're feeling like they want 131 00:07:52,080 --> 00:07:54,880 Speaker 1: to stand their ground. Um. And that's usually when they're 132 00:07:54,920 --> 00:07:57,239 Speaker 1: caught out in the open. If they have a place 133 00:07:57,320 --> 00:08:00,280 Speaker 1: to hide, they'll stick their head in that used to 134 00:08:00,360 --> 00:08:03,320 Speaker 1: hide and then puff out their quills and make themselves 135 00:08:03,320 --> 00:08:06,320 Speaker 1: hard to get at. Um. But if they're on the open, 136 00:08:06,360 --> 00:08:08,280 Speaker 1: they may decide that they're going to fight off this 137 00:08:08,360 --> 00:08:12,040 Speaker 1: predator and they'll charge backward. And one other adaptation I 138 00:08:12,080 --> 00:08:15,040 Speaker 1: saw which I thought was was awesome. They'll have the 139 00:08:15,080 --> 00:08:17,880 Speaker 1: predator chase it and then they'll stop all of a sudden, 140 00:08:17,880 --> 00:08:19,960 Speaker 1: and the predator will run into them in their quills 141 00:08:20,480 --> 00:08:24,440 Speaker 1: for real, and then you hear the sound effect. Yeah, 142 00:08:24,560 --> 00:08:28,200 Speaker 1: exactly and then it's too late. Yeah. I mean it's 143 00:08:28,200 --> 00:08:30,760 Speaker 1: interesting because those quills, even though they puff them out, 144 00:08:30,760 --> 00:08:35,640 Speaker 1: they are pointed generally in the reverse direction, which you know, 145 00:08:35,840 --> 00:08:37,600 Speaker 1: which is why they have to back up into something 146 00:08:37,640 --> 00:08:41,120 Speaker 1: to to quill them or like you said, bury them. 147 00:08:41,240 --> 00:08:45,240 Speaker 1: Just throw on that that parking break real quick, and 148 00:08:45,280 --> 00:08:47,120 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, that fox has got a faceful 149 00:08:47,120 --> 00:08:51,600 Speaker 1: of quill. Right. So that Old world UM contains a 150 00:08:51,640 --> 00:08:55,080 Speaker 1: couple of species that are called crested porcupines, and they 151 00:08:55,120 --> 00:08:59,120 Speaker 1: basically look like if the quills were like an umbrella 152 00:08:59,559 --> 00:09:03,640 Speaker 1: open at the back of their head and just kind 153 00:09:03,640 --> 00:09:05,000 Speaker 1: of sticks out like that, and like you said, it 154 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:08,559 Speaker 1: makes them look a lot bigger. They're a lot more dangerous. Um. 155 00:09:08,800 --> 00:09:11,640 Speaker 1: The big difference with quills between the Old World and 156 00:09:11,640 --> 00:09:14,959 Speaker 1: the New World, in addition to being shorter, is um 157 00:09:15,120 --> 00:09:18,839 Speaker 1: Old world porcupines are covered in quills. That's all they have. 158 00:09:19,640 --> 00:09:21,320 Speaker 1: Like they have Like I don't know if we said 159 00:09:21,400 --> 00:09:25,040 Speaker 1: or not, but quills are just modified hair. Um, They're 160 00:09:25,080 --> 00:09:26,959 Speaker 1: made of caratin. They're they're just like hair. They're just 161 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:32,520 Speaker 1: ways stabbier than hair that you and I have, meats, fingernails. Basically, Yeah, 162 00:09:32,559 --> 00:09:34,520 Speaker 1: that's a great way to put it. And Old World 163 00:09:34,559 --> 00:09:38,120 Speaker 1: porcupines that's all they have our quills UM. New World 164 00:09:38,120 --> 00:09:41,680 Speaker 1: porcupines have quills that are also mixed in with um 165 00:09:41,880 --> 00:09:46,560 Speaker 1: fur like an undercoat, longer hairs UM, and their quills 166 00:09:46,679 --> 00:09:49,439 Speaker 1: kind of stand up and are are used for defense. 167 00:09:49,520 --> 00:09:52,720 Speaker 1: That's not just it's not all that they have UM. 168 00:09:52,760 --> 00:09:54,560 Speaker 1: And the other thing about their quills is that they 169 00:09:54,600 --> 00:09:59,600 Speaker 1: have little barbs, and New World um porcupines barbs make 170 00:09:59,760 --> 00:10:04,840 Speaker 1: the New World quails way more dangerous than Old World quils. Yeah. 171 00:10:04,840 --> 00:10:07,600 Speaker 1: It's like a little fishhook basically, and it'll instead of 172 00:10:07,640 --> 00:10:09,840 Speaker 1: just poking right into you, it'll actually snag in your 173 00:10:09,880 --> 00:10:13,679 Speaker 1: flesh and makes it, like you said, way way tougher 174 00:10:13,720 --> 00:10:16,720 Speaker 1: to get out. UM. Much harder time removing a New 175 00:10:16,720 --> 00:10:20,560 Speaker 1: World quill than an Old World quill. But those New 176 00:10:20,559 --> 00:10:26,400 Speaker 1: World guys are uh because their quills start further back. 177 00:10:26,960 --> 00:10:29,360 Speaker 1: You get the feeling if you just and I wouldn't 178 00:10:29,360 --> 00:10:33,000 Speaker 1: recommend this, but if you just go very gently and 179 00:10:33,120 --> 00:10:35,960 Speaker 1: just say, hey, little guy, you never do that. I 180 00:10:36,040 --> 00:10:37,800 Speaker 1: just I just want to give you a scritch under 181 00:10:37,840 --> 00:10:40,600 Speaker 1: the under the chin, and I think you might enjoy it. 182 00:10:40,960 --> 00:10:45,079 Speaker 1: And I'm gonna move very slowly, just don't turn around, 183 00:10:45,760 --> 00:10:49,040 Speaker 1: and you'll you'll have a really good time. I'd like 184 00:10:49,080 --> 00:10:52,240 Speaker 1: to include a disclaimer here, don't do it. You guys 185 00:10:52,240 --> 00:10:54,360 Speaker 1: should not listen to Chuck right now. He's doling out 186 00:10:54,400 --> 00:10:57,880 Speaker 1: some really terrible advice. Yeah, it's just because those quills 187 00:10:57,880 --> 00:10:59,959 Speaker 1: start further back. They got that cute little head and face, 188 00:11:00,320 --> 00:11:04,320 Speaker 1: and it just makes you want to give him a scratch. Yeah, no, totally. 189 00:11:04,360 --> 00:11:07,960 Speaker 1: Like if you watch Teddy Teddy Bear videos, um, Teddy 190 00:11:07,960 --> 00:11:10,480 Speaker 1: Bear the porcupine, you will want to go get one 191 00:11:10,520 --> 00:11:13,160 Speaker 1: as a pet. There's another one I saw called Diva, 192 00:11:13,360 --> 00:11:16,920 Speaker 1: and she's a baby porcupine. She's adorable. Um, yeah, you 193 00:11:17,000 --> 00:11:18,640 Speaker 1: totally want to do that. And I'm sure there are 194 00:11:18,679 --> 00:11:21,160 Speaker 1: ways to handle them. But I also saw, you know, 195 00:11:21,240 --> 00:11:23,880 Speaker 1: one of those zoo guys on a late night talk 196 00:11:23,920 --> 00:11:27,679 Speaker 1: show and he had I think an African crested porcupine 197 00:11:27,679 --> 00:11:29,959 Speaker 1: on his lap and that thing was not at all 198 00:11:30,320 --> 00:11:33,480 Speaker 1: worried or scared or um in any sort of defense mode. 199 00:11:33,720 --> 00:11:35,880 Speaker 1: And that dude was in pain just letting this thing 200 00:11:35,920 --> 00:11:38,679 Speaker 1: sit on his lap because I don't know. You said, 201 00:11:38,880 --> 00:11:40,680 Speaker 1: you know, they look like guinea pigs, and I said, 202 00:11:40,679 --> 00:11:43,600 Speaker 1: overgrown guinea pigs. Some of these things can get really big. 203 00:11:43,880 --> 00:11:46,760 Speaker 1: There's a cape porcupine. I think it's the biggest one. 204 00:11:47,160 --> 00:11:50,839 Speaker 1: They get up to like sixty five pounds. Sixty pounds 205 00:11:50,960 --> 00:11:55,520 Speaker 1: is like a large dog and with quills though, with 206 00:11:55,559 --> 00:11:59,640 Speaker 1: the quills puffed up. No, like there's sixty five pounds, 207 00:11:59,640 --> 00:12:03,120 Speaker 1: you're sound. And then but imagine a sixty five pound 208 00:12:03,160 --> 00:12:06,480 Speaker 1: dog with those quills. That's that's dangerous. Yeah, what I meant. 209 00:12:06,520 --> 00:12:08,480 Speaker 1: I know they don't actually weigh more when they puff up, 210 00:12:08,520 --> 00:12:11,840 Speaker 1: but they can when they put those quills out, they 211 00:12:11,840 --> 00:12:14,440 Speaker 1: can look two to three times their size. So yeah, 212 00:12:14,800 --> 00:12:18,200 Speaker 1: imagine that thing looks enormous. And actually I don't do 213 00:12:18,240 --> 00:12:20,400 Speaker 1: this much, but I'm watching that that thing eat that 214 00:12:20,480 --> 00:12:23,400 Speaker 1: corn on the cob right now. Isn't that adorable? Yeah, 215 00:12:23,520 --> 00:12:24,960 Speaker 1: I have to have the sound down, so I'm gonna 216 00:12:25,000 --> 00:12:27,040 Speaker 1: go back and watch it. You have to hear the sound, 217 00:12:27,120 --> 00:12:29,079 Speaker 1: like the sound does it. But even without the sound, 218 00:12:29,320 --> 00:12:32,199 Speaker 1: he's just awfully cute. Yeah, it kind of They kind 219 00:12:32,200 --> 00:12:34,520 Speaker 1: of look like beavers a little bit too, and they 220 00:12:34,559 --> 00:12:38,719 Speaker 1: are related as fellow rodents. Um here, I think we 221 00:12:38,720 --> 00:12:41,360 Speaker 1: should take a break. So I'm getting kind of worked 222 00:12:41,440 --> 00:12:44,959 Speaker 1: up here, and we'll come back and talk more about 223 00:12:44,960 --> 00:13:05,720 Speaker 1: these cute little stabby suckers right after this. Okay, Charles, 224 00:13:05,800 --> 00:13:11,040 Speaker 1: we're back, and um, we've been talking mostly about quills. Yeah, 225 00:13:11,240 --> 00:13:13,679 Speaker 1: so one more thing about quills, and there's going to 226 00:13:13,720 --> 00:13:15,679 Speaker 1: be more than one more thing about quils, let's be honest. 227 00:13:16,360 --> 00:13:18,520 Speaker 1: But we said they couldn't shoot them. What they can do? 228 00:13:18,600 --> 00:13:21,600 Speaker 1: These things do fall out just like hair, and they 229 00:13:21,679 --> 00:13:25,800 Speaker 1: grow just like fingernails and will eventually fall so when 230 00:13:25,800 --> 00:13:28,480 Speaker 1: they shake, they if they have loose quills, they can 231 00:13:28,559 --> 00:13:33,320 Speaker 1: fly off. But they're still not like shooting, like Aristotle said, 232 00:13:33,360 --> 00:13:38,080 Speaker 1: like deadly needle darts. No, but they can be problematic, 233 00:13:38,240 --> 00:13:41,560 Speaker 1: like these things can puncture the sidewalls of tires. I 234 00:13:41,640 --> 00:13:45,320 Speaker 1: was reading them the blog of some tire company K 235 00:13:45,520 --> 00:13:48,920 Speaker 1: A L. Tires I think up in the Yukon, and 236 00:13:48,960 --> 00:13:52,640 Speaker 1: they said that it's actually it can be a problem 237 00:13:51,440 --> 00:13:54,839 Speaker 1: like on some roads. Yeah that if you're out in 238 00:13:54,840 --> 00:13:56,920 Speaker 1: the middle of nowhere and you run over a porcupine quill, 239 00:13:56,960 --> 00:13:59,480 Speaker 1: you're you're you're probably going to get a flat. That's 240 00:13:59,480 --> 00:14:02,840 Speaker 1: how I thinks. Tough those things are. Well, that's sad. 241 00:14:04,520 --> 00:14:08,360 Speaker 1: What for your tire, no for the for your afternoon? Well, No, 242 00:14:08,600 --> 00:14:11,520 Speaker 1: you're not running over Are you still watching Teddy Bear videos? No? 243 00:14:11,679 --> 00:14:13,479 Speaker 1: I thought you said if you run over a porcupine, 244 00:14:13,480 --> 00:14:16,599 Speaker 1: it can fine quill. Oh, well, being what is it? 245 00:14:16,880 --> 00:14:19,520 Speaker 1: Just a loose quill on the road. Yeah, exactly, that's 246 00:14:19,520 --> 00:14:21,320 Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Like just a loose quill laying on 247 00:14:21,360 --> 00:14:23,240 Speaker 1: the road. If you run over it goes into your sidewall, 248 00:14:23,280 --> 00:14:25,280 Speaker 1: You're probably going to get a flat tire. That's how 249 00:14:25,280 --> 00:14:27,000 Speaker 1: tough those things are. Okay, I thought you meant if 250 00:14:27,040 --> 00:14:29,120 Speaker 1: you actually run over a porcupine and you have like 251 00:14:29,200 --> 00:14:32,280 Speaker 1: a bunch of quills, I that would probably do it too, 252 00:14:32,360 --> 00:14:34,800 Speaker 1: especially if the porcupine was in a defensive procedure. But 253 00:14:34,840 --> 00:14:37,280 Speaker 1: the porcupine doesn't have to die in this case for 254 00:14:37,360 --> 00:14:41,920 Speaker 1: you to go flat tire. So regardless of that sadness 255 00:14:42,480 --> 00:14:46,160 Speaker 1: they there is sadness and that despite this great adaptation 256 00:14:46,600 --> 00:14:50,200 Speaker 1: and this great defense mechanism, they still can be hunted. 257 00:14:50,720 --> 00:14:54,280 Speaker 1: Um lions can still hunt them human people. There's the 258 00:14:54,320 --> 00:14:57,080 Speaker 1: bush meat trade for the old world porcupines that is 259 00:14:57,360 --> 00:15:00,440 Speaker 1: you know, just you know what that means. Uh, And 260 00:15:00,480 --> 00:15:05,120 Speaker 1: they're you know, they're owls, wolverines, pythons. Uh. There's something 261 00:15:05,160 --> 00:15:09,480 Speaker 1: called a fisher that looks sort of like a a weasel, bear, 262 00:15:09,640 --> 00:15:12,880 Speaker 1: fox or something. Did you pack that thing up? Yeah, 263 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:16,920 Speaker 1: I think it's related to otters and weasels. Okay, but 264 00:15:16,960 --> 00:15:18,960 Speaker 1: it had a sort of a bear face. It was interesting. 265 00:15:19,480 --> 00:15:22,480 Speaker 1: But apparently stink too. Well. They stink in more ways 266 00:15:22,480 --> 00:15:25,840 Speaker 1: than one because they learned to flip these porcupines over 267 00:15:26,320 --> 00:15:29,440 Speaker 1: where they have that soft belly meat and no quills 268 00:15:29,960 --> 00:15:33,600 Speaker 1: as a way to attack them, which really makes me mad. Yeah, 269 00:15:33,680 --> 00:15:35,720 Speaker 1: I don't. I don't like fishers for that reason either. 270 00:15:36,120 --> 00:15:38,600 Speaker 1: I've never heard of them until recently, until we started 271 00:15:38,600 --> 00:15:41,560 Speaker 1: researching this, and I had neither. I don't like them. 272 00:15:41,960 --> 00:15:44,760 Speaker 1: I just don't like them. Eat something else, Yeah, leave 273 00:15:44,760 --> 00:15:48,880 Speaker 1: the porcupines alone, because they're actually pretty nice. Yeah, and 274 00:15:48,880 --> 00:15:50,960 Speaker 1: they don't eat what do they eat? They eat vegetables 275 00:15:50,960 --> 00:15:55,160 Speaker 1: and fruits and berries and nuts and tubers and roots. Yeah, 276 00:15:55,360 --> 00:15:59,640 Speaker 1: so um, they eat all those things. They'll also eat 277 00:15:59,680 --> 00:16:03,440 Speaker 1: crow ops, which is um. Porcupines are considered a nuisance, 278 00:16:03,520 --> 00:16:06,720 Speaker 1: especially if you're a farmer or even a gardener in 279 00:16:06,760 --> 00:16:10,640 Speaker 1: the suburbs, because they will eat your root vegetables. They 280 00:16:10,680 --> 00:16:15,200 Speaker 1: will eat corn um love corn apparently um. But they'll 281 00:16:15,240 --> 00:16:19,360 Speaker 1: also They have another thing too, where they need sodium 282 00:16:19,360 --> 00:16:22,760 Speaker 1: in their diet. They actually need they need a pretty 283 00:16:22,880 --> 00:16:26,000 Speaker 1: um even ratio of one to one of potassium to 284 00:16:26,080 --> 00:16:30,440 Speaker 1: sodium for their electrical conductivity in their body to work. 285 00:16:30,960 --> 00:16:33,640 Speaker 1: But they don't get much sodium in their diet. Um 286 00:16:33,680 --> 00:16:37,160 Speaker 1: Plants have lots of potassium, not much sodium, so they 287 00:16:37,160 --> 00:16:39,320 Speaker 1: have to go find it elsewhere. And it turns out 288 00:16:39,360 --> 00:16:42,800 Speaker 1: we humans have a lot of stuff that has sodium 289 00:16:42,840 --> 00:16:46,160 Speaker 1: in it. Apparently plywood glue contains a lot of sodium, 290 00:16:46,320 --> 00:16:49,440 Speaker 1: so they love eating wood structures we build out of plywood. 291 00:16:50,000 --> 00:16:53,760 Speaker 1: Um the salt that we put on the roads gets 292 00:16:53,800 --> 00:16:55,680 Speaker 1: kicked up on the underside of our car, So you 293 00:16:55,760 --> 00:17:00,680 Speaker 1: might find a porcupine chewing on the tie ears or 294 00:17:00,720 --> 00:17:04,720 Speaker 1: the hoses or belts or wires under your car. Yeah, 295 00:17:04,760 --> 00:17:08,480 Speaker 1: well that they would even because the humans sweat so 296 00:17:08,560 --> 00:17:11,800 Speaker 1: much salt when they're working that they'll go Like if 297 00:17:11,840 --> 00:17:16,400 Speaker 1: you have some some wooden pruners in your shed, they'll 298 00:17:16,400 --> 00:17:18,199 Speaker 1: go in there and they'll start eating the handle of 299 00:17:18,200 --> 00:17:21,080 Speaker 1: your pruners because it just has a residual human salt 300 00:17:21,160 --> 00:17:23,560 Speaker 1: left over on it. Right, you just walk in, You're like, 301 00:17:23,600 --> 00:17:26,800 Speaker 1: are you nuts? What is wrong with you, you porcupine 302 00:17:27,800 --> 00:17:31,040 Speaker 1: for those fellas, Yeah, well they'll find anywhere they can 303 00:17:31,040 --> 00:17:33,440 Speaker 1: find a natural salt, like they'll definitely eat that too. 304 00:17:33,480 --> 00:17:36,040 Speaker 1: But yes, anything that has human sweat on, even trace 305 00:17:36,119 --> 00:17:39,120 Speaker 1: amounts of human sweat, they'll go bonkers, like they eat 306 00:17:39,119 --> 00:17:43,560 Speaker 1: oars um, paddles, that kind of stuff. So but yes, 307 00:17:43,680 --> 00:17:49,119 Speaker 1: typically they eat um leaves, stems, they eat shoots and 308 00:17:49,240 --> 00:17:53,440 Speaker 1: leaves um. They also, though, and this is another reason 309 00:17:53,440 --> 00:17:56,080 Speaker 1: why they're considered a nuisance, they eat the bark off 310 00:17:56,160 --> 00:17:59,080 Speaker 1: the tree, so they're considered generalists. They'll eat just about 311 00:17:59,119 --> 00:18:02,160 Speaker 1: any kind of veget tatian um, which is actually they're 312 00:18:02,200 --> 00:18:05,760 Speaker 1: also super adaptable, which is why you'll find porcupines almost 313 00:18:05,760 --> 00:18:10,320 Speaker 1: anywhere there's vegetation um. But they they'll that's what they eat, 314 00:18:10,640 --> 00:18:13,800 Speaker 1: you know, spring, summer, fall, and then in winter. They 315 00:18:13,800 --> 00:18:17,680 Speaker 1: don't hibernate, which actually makes them kind of unusual as well. 316 00:18:18,200 --> 00:18:22,240 Speaker 1: But they they go from being um generalists to what's 317 00:18:22,280 --> 00:18:27,640 Speaker 1: known as um faculative specialists, meaning their diet becomes very 318 00:18:27,680 --> 00:18:30,919 Speaker 1: limited to just one or two types of trees, and 319 00:18:31,000 --> 00:18:33,359 Speaker 1: not just one or two types of trees. During the winter, 320 00:18:33,600 --> 00:18:37,000 Speaker 1: they may just feed on the inner bark of one tree, 321 00:18:37,560 --> 00:18:40,199 Speaker 1: and that can be problematic because the inner bark is 322 00:18:40,200 --> 00:18:43,159 Speaker 1: where nutrients and water moves from the roots to the 323 00:18:43,160 --> 00:18:45,959 Speaker 1: rest of the tree. And if that porcupine eats all 324 00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:49,000 Speaker 1: the way around it, what's called girdling a tree, it 325 00:18:49,080 --> 00:18:53,520 Speaker 1: can kill or seriously damage that tree. Yeah. So if 326 00:18:53,560 --> 00:18:55,200 Speaker 1: I mean, if you have a problem if you live 327 00:18:55,280 --> 00:18:57,960 Speaker 1: in the woods and stuff, and you see a tree, 328 00:18:58,000 --> 00:18:59,760 Speaker 1: it could be a beaver. But either way, you kind 329 00:18:59,760 --> 00:19:02,320 Speaker 1: of hand all the same. You can wrap like chicken 330 00:19:02,320 --> 00:19:05,400 Speaker 1: wire around it around the bottom, or some sort of 331 00:19:05,840 --> 00:19:09,960 Speaker 1: um aluminum or something cheating to keep the the beaver 332 00:19:10,080 --> 00:19:12,960 Speaker 1: and or porcupine from non on that thing. Yeah, and 333 00:19:12,960 --> 00:19:15,080 Speaker 1: I would guess you'd want to wear work gloves because 334 00:19:15,119 --> 00:19:18,720 Speaker 1: the salt from your hands is just gonna attract into 335 00:19:18,720 --> 00:19:23,120 Speaker 1: that chicken wire. Uh. Yeah, they eat. They're nocturnal, so 336 00:19:23,320 --> 00:19:26,560 Speaker 1: they're mainly doing this stuff at night. They're patrolling around, 337 00:19:27,400 --> 00:19:30,680 Speaker 1: they're defending their areas that they feed. I saw both. 338 00:19:30,720 --> 00:19:33,080 Speaker 1: I saw that their territorial I saw that they're also 339 00:19:33,200 --> 00:19:37,080 Speaker 1: not territorial. Yeah, it probably depends with you know, so 340 00:19:37,119 --> 00:19:40,680 Speaker 1: many different species because they will travel outside their home 341 00:19:40,800 --> 00:19:43,760 Speaker 1: range if they want to get a mate um or 342 00:19:43,800 --> 00:19:47,840 Speaker 1: if they need that salt. They're usually uh, they're fairly 343 00:19:48,240 --> 00:19:52,239 Speaker 1: solo flyers, although um, sometimes you'll see a couple of them. 344 00:19:52,680 --> 00:19:55,479 Speaker 1: Uh they may be made it, they may be siblings. Um. 345 00:19:55,520 --> 00:19:58,600 Speaker 1: I don't think we mentioned that. The Old World. Uh, 346 00:19:58,680 --> 00:20:02,360 Speaker 1: porcupines are actually a good swimmers, both of them are 347 00:20:02,520 --> 00:20:06,640 Speaker 1: for from what I understand. Oh really, m m okay. Yeah, 348 00:20:06,720 --> 00:20:09,960 Speaker 1: and New World will actually go swim out to gather 349 00:20:10,040 --> 00:20:13,120 Speaker 1: aquatic plants. They swim more than the Old World does. 350 00:20:13,520 --> 00:20:15,440 Speaker 1: But they just swim to collect plants and then they 351 00:20:15,440 --> 00:20:18,199 Speaker 1: bring it back to the shore to eat. Yeah. And 352 00:20:18,240 --> 00:20:21,560 Speaker 1: they're they're living in they don't they'll like sleep in 353 00:20:21,600 --> 00:20:24,679 Speaker 1: trees sometimes the climbers will. But uh, it seems like 354 00:20:24,680 --> 00:20:28,040 Speaker 1: they make use of other animals dens when they're not 355 00:20:28,119 --> 00:20:31,160 Speaker 1: around and they have left, Like they'll go to an 356 00:20:31,240 --> 00:20:34,160 Speaker 1: art vark den that has been abandoned or a hole 357 00:20:34,320 --> 00:20:38,439 Speaker 1: and they will change it around, maybe knocked down some walls, 358 00:20:38,520 --> 00:20:42,400 Speaker 1: open up that floor plan. So island in the kitchen, Yeah, 359 00:20:42,400 --> 00:20:46,520 Speaker 1: of course, gotta have the big island and then you know, 360 00:20:46,720 --> 00:20:50,360 Speaker 1: they they'll just adapt it to their needs because obviously 361 00:20:50,359 --> 00:20:53,199 Speaker 1: they're a little puffier than the ard vark. Yeah. And 362 00:20:53,200 --> 00:20:55,920 Speaker 1: in doing so, Chuck, A question that I kept running 363 00:20:55,960 --> 00:20:59,480 Speaker 1: up against was what role did porcupines play in the ecosystem? 364 00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:01,760 Speaker 1: And they think that one of the big roles they 365 00:21:01,800 --> 00:21:06,160 Speaker 1: played by basically disturbing stuff. They disturbed the soil when 366 00:21:06,160 --> 00:21:09,360 Speaker 1: they're when they're digging and burrowing and everything. Interesting. They 367 00:21:09,560 --> 00:21:13,640 Speaker 1: they found that they the through that they propagate way 368 00:21:13,680 --> 00:21:17,000 Speaker 1: more seeds than than would otherwise be propagated if they 369 00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:21,000 Speaker 1: weren't around. So forests are much more diverse with them 370 00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:23,760 Speaker 1: in it than without them because of all of their 371 00:21:23,880 --> 00:21:27,040 Speaker 1: scratching and moving and all that stuff. Yeah, and it 372 00:21:27,080 --> 00:21:31,640 Speaker 1: seems like for rodents they live a long time. They 373 00:21:31,680 --> 00:21:34,200 Speaker 1: can live and they I mean I sort of saw 374 00:21:34,320 --> 00:21:38,320 Speaker 1: a wild range anywhere from three to five years in 375 00:21:38,359 --> 00:21:41,600 Speaker 1: the wild to like ten years in the wild. I 376 00:21:41,640 --> 00:21:43,680 Speaker 1: saw one that lived to be eighteen. I saw the 377 00:21:43,760 --> 00:21:47,320 Speaker 1: record was five, which I think was second only two 378 00:21:48,200 --> 00:21:51,320 Speaker 1: a beaver as far as the rodent record. I think 379 00:21:51,320 --> 00:21:53,720 Speaker 1: there was a twenty eight year old beaver once I 380 00:21:53,760 --> 00:21:57,000 Speaker 1: saw one in Brazil was can live up to twenty 381 00:21:57,040 --> 00:22:01,800 Speaker 1: seven years in captivity. Yeah, so that's I mean, that's 382 00:22:01,840 --> 00:22:04,200 Speaker 1: long lived. But yeah, I saw three to five years too. 383 00:22:04,800 --> 00:22:08,000 Speaker 1: I guess it just depends on the species, you know. Yeah, 384 00:22:08,080 --> 00:22:11,400 Speaker 1: And the other thing about their feeding habits is they 385 00:22:11,400 --> 00:22:16,320 Speaker 1: eat seasonally, right, they're little hipsters. They eat seasonally and locally, 386 00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:20,800 Speaker 1: So depending on what's there, they will I think in 387 00:22:20,840 --> 00:22:24,000 Speaker 1: the winter they'll eat more evergreen needles and the like, 388 00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:25,800 Speaker 1: sort of the inner bark of the trees and stuff 389 00:22:25,840 --> 00:22:29,040 Speaker 1: like that. And then you know, when those sweet berries 390 00:22:29,720 --> 00:22:31,840 Speaker 1: come around or when that corn crop is coming in, 391 00:22:32,040 --> 00:22:37,840 Speaker 1: just look out. Then they turned back into generalists. That's right. So, um, 392 00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:41,720 Speaker 1: I feel like we cannot go any further, can't dance 393 00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:49,000 Speaker 1: around the fact that porcupines copulate um, and when they 394 00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:54,000 Speaker 1: do copulate, they produce offspring, and we should talk about that. Yeah, 395 00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:56,280 Speaker 1: should we break or should we do this and then break? 396 00:22:57,640 --> 00:22:59,240 Speaker 1: I feel like we're gonna need to take a break 397 00:22:59,280 --> 00:23:04,919 Speaker 1: after this. Okay. So porcupines have stabby quills. That's that 398 00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:10,000 Speaker 1: point backwards, that's right. And if you know how a 399 00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:13,399 Speaker 1: rodent in a mammal like this would have sex, it 400 00:23:13,560 --> 00:23:19,520 Speaker 1: is from something a male approaching the female from the rear. Yeah, 401 00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:22,560 Speaker 1: right where those things are pointing. And so you think, 402 00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:25,880 Speaker 1: how do they do this? What happens is the males 403 00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:28,879 Speaker 1: are gonna Um, they're gonna vie for the female. Like 404 00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:31,480 Speaker 1: so many animals, they have these sort of noisy battles 405 00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:34,720 Speaker 1: and they they whine and they stomp when they win 406 00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:37,560 Speaker 1: and stomp their tail and try to impress the lady, 407 00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:41,760 Speaker 1: puff their quills out. And if the lady says, all right, 408 00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:44,480 Speaker 1: I think you might be a good match for me, 409 00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:49,280 Speaker 1: what does he do? He sprays urine all over her. 410 00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:55,680 Speaker 1: That's right, and she goes, She goes, that was wonderful. Um, 411 00:23:56,560 --> 00:23:58,760 Speaker 1: let's go a big boy. Yeah, I'm gonna put down 412 00:23:58,760 --> 00:24:01,879 Speaker 1: I'm gonna lay down my quills. Yeah, and move the 413 00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:05,160 Speaker 1: tail to the side. It's a business time, right, Yeah, 414 00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:06,960 Speaker 1: because the tail is barbed. I don't think we said 415 00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:11,679 Speaker 1: that either. No, but like all the quills are barbed, right, Well, no, 416 00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:15,639 Speaker 1: I think the actual tail is barbed. Oh good lord 417 00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:18,960 Speaker 1: as well, which you can help with the climbing and stuff. Right. 418 00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:21,560 Speaker 1: So I think it would take being sprayed with your 419 00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:24,000 Speaker 1: into two. You would want to reach that level of 420 00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:26,199 Speaker 1: commitment to make sure that you could trust that that 421 00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:28,320 Speaker 1: barbed tail is going to be kept to the side. 422 00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:33,160 Speaker 1: Are we in? Right? And then yes that that definitely 423 00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:37,800 Speaker 1: says yes you're in. Um, you're in get it. I 424 00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:40,040 Speaker 1: told you we would need to break. Let's take one show, 425 00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:42,680 Speaker 1: all right, and we'll talk you about We'll talk about 426 00:24:42,760 --> 00:25:03,560 Speaker 1: porky pets right after this. Yeah, so, Chuck, the porcupines 427 00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:08,960 Speaker 1: have copulated. They were successful, um, and the female has 428 00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:11,840 Speaker 1: now just stated for two d and five to two 429 00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:14,720 Speaker 1: hundred seventeen days. And what did you say? We're just 430 00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:20,600 Speaker 1: born porcupets like Q T T E s. Yeah, not 431 00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:24,280 Speaker 1: pets is in something you keep. But yeah, little porcupets 432 00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:27,919 Speaker 1: like like the the fifties singing group Girl version of 433 00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:35,119 Speaker 1: the Porcupines, Randy Porcupine and the Porcupets right exactly. Yeah. 434 00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:37,320 Speaker 1: And here's where I got a little confusing, because I 435 00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:40,480 Speaker 1: saw different stuff depending on where I looked. And again 436 00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:43,760 Speaker 1: it may be according to species. UM. I saw that 437 00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:47,600 Speaker 1: they rarely have more than one at a time. I 438 00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:51,399 Speaker 1: also saw that sometimes they have up to four, but 439 00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:54,560 Speaker 1: let's just say between one and four per litter U. 440 00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:58,320 Speaker 1: And they stay with their their mommy's for a little 441 00:25:58,359 --> 00:26:01,360 Speaker 1: longer than U than why I found it says, and 442 00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:03,679 Speaker 1: I think from the San Diego Zoo just a few months. 443 00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:07,280 Speaker 1: But I also saw anywhere from twelve to twenty four months, 444 00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:11,359 Speaker 1: and they at least um, I need that mother's milk 445 00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:14,359 Speaker 1: for like six months. And I think it really depends 446 00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:18,440 Speaker 1: on the species. Like I saw, um, those the largest ones, 447 00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:21,879 Speaker 1: the cape porcupine, they actually stay in family units of 448 00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:23,920 Speaker 1: a mom and a dad and one to two kids, 449 00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:27,760 Speaker 1: and the dad's usually out of there with the porcupines, right. 450 00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:31,119 Speaker 1: So Yeah, especially with North American porcupines, I feel like 451 00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:33,199 Speaker 1: a lot because we're in America. A lot of the 452 00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:36,879 Speaker 1: info we got was for North American porcupines, and people 453 00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:40,439 Speaker 1: just called it porcupines, which required a lot more digging. 454 00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:45,680 Speaker 1: But I feel like, um, with North American porcupines, it's like, hey, 455 00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:48,040 Speaker 1: good luck with the kids. And then the mom has 456 00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:50,720 Speaker 1: the kid and it's like, hey, I'm weaning you. Good 457 00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:52,440 Speaker 1: luck with the rest of your life. And then they 458 00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:56,399 Speaker 1: live this kind of solitary, happy existence, digging around and 459 00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:59,240 Speaker 1: eating tree bark. Yeah. And uh, if you think the 460 00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:02,600 Speaker 1: porcupet is as soft and cute as you would imagine, 461 00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:07,240 Speaker 1: you were correct. Those needle like quills start to um 462 00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:10,719 Speaker 1: stiffen up very quickly, but it takes that. It kind 463 00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:13,479 Speaker 1: of starts three or four days later, and then I 464 00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:15,840 Speaker 1: imagine takes a little while to reach full you know, 465 00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:18,520 Speaker 1: kind of hard quill version. Yeah. And I saw a 466 00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:22,399 Speaker 1: conflicting information to um. I saw that they were born precocious, 467 00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:24,240 Speaker 1: where they had a full set of teeth, their eyes 468 00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:26,479 Speaker 1: were open, and then it just took a few hours 469 00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:31,560 Speaker 1: for their quills to harden into like adult um quillage. 470 00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:36,880 Speaker 1: That was even take to chuck. Yes, adult quillage. Thank 471 00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:40,080 Speaker 1: you for that. Yeah, whether eyes were closed for a 472 00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:44,000 Speaker 1: long time, yeah, yeah, So I don't know. It's possible 473 00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:47,240 Speaker 1: it's different species. It's also possible as San Diego Zoo 474 00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:51,360 Speaker 1: just got a bunch of stuff wrong. Well, that's always possible. 475 00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:53,800 Speaker 1: Great Zoo, I've been there. Uh. I know, we did 476 00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:55,960 Speaker 1: an episode on zoos and whether or not they were ethical, 477 00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:57,800 Speaker 1: So you can go make up your own mind about that. 478 00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:00,199 Speaker 1: But and there where Jack Hannah hailed from, and he 479 00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:04,000 Speaker 1: is San Diego Zoo. Guy, I feel like that's probably true. Well, 480 00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:06,919 Speaker 1: let's just say it is. I got something else on 481 00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:10,680 Speaker 1: these quills. They have an I thought we I thought 482 00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:13,159 Speaker 1: we were done with quills. I don't never done with quills. 483 00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:19,040 Speaker 1: They have an antiseptic quality. Apparently in case of self stabbage. 484 00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:22,200 Speaker 1: That's awesome. I hadn't seen that actually, And I think 485 00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:25,040 Speaker 1: we should say to um, just one more thing about quills. 486 00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:28,760 Speaker 1: I'm breaking my own rules here because they're like modified hair. 487 00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:33,159 Speaker 1: They grow back when they're shed. They're constantly shedding and 488 00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:36,679 Speaker 1: growing quills. Yeah. And like I said, you should not 489 00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:40,800 Speaker 1: approach one in the wild. But um, they make airy rabies. 490 00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:43,200 Speaker 1: But other than that, they don't really carry any other 491 00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:48,160 Speaker 1: diseases which I need. Yeah. Like if you wanted to 492 00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:51,920 Speaker 1: love porcupines anymore, there you go, Like you could snuggle 493 00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:55,480 Speaker 1: one and you don't have to worry about any diseases. Yes, 494 00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:57,400 Speaker 1: but don't eat them like they do in some parts 495 00:28:57,400 --> 00:29:00,320 Speaker 1: of the world. Um, they are in pretty good ape 496 00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:04,960 Speaker 1: but they have been exterminated in certain parts of Africa. 497 00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:07,760 Speaker 1: Um because they do eat root crops, so they're a 498 00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:11,320 Speaker 1: nuisance pest, so they get rid of them. People can 499 00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:15,800 Speaker 1: quillect quillect you like that. They can collect the quills 500 00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:19,560 Speaker 1: for ornamentation. Um. And I think there's a couple of 501 00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:23,280 Speaker 1: them that are listed as vulnerable. Uh and very sadly 502 00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:26,600 Speaker 1: of course, because their habitat is being lost. Yes, But 503 00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:32,120 Speaker 1: globally porcupines are under UM. They're considered of least concern um, 504 00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:35,920 Speaker 1: which itself is concerning because they're considered pests in a 505 00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:39,280 Speaker 1: lot of places, so they're eradicated. UM. I think it 506 00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:43,360 Speaker 1: was the Maryland d n R, the Do Not Resuscitate 507 00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:48,920 Speaker 1: Agency UM said that on their site that porcupines um 508 00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:51,520 Speaker 1: used to be in the southeastern United States but they 509 00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:56,200 Speaker 1: were eradicated. I didn't know that, and I've never heard that. 510 00:29:56,280 --> 00:29:57,960 Speaker 1: I couldn't find it anywhere else. But I don't know 511 00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:00,440 Speaker 1: why the d NR would make that up. I'm trying 512 00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:03,080 Speaker 1: to think if I've ever seen one in the world. 513 00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:07,240 Speaker 1: They do not live in the southeast. But the Maryland 514 00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:10,720 Speaker 1: d NR is saying, like I've traveled all over the world. 515 00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:14,480 Speaker 1: I'm not saying in my backyard. Oh, I got to well, 516 00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:17,080 Speaker 1: we were talking about the southeast. You can imagine why 517 00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:18,680 Speaker 1: I fell for that one. Now, I'm just trying to 518 00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:22,240 Speaker 1: think of a seen one like camping out west or anything. 519 00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:23,560 Speaker 1: I don't I don't know if I've ever seen one. 520 00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:27,040 Speaker 1: I never have. I would think you would definitely remember 521 00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:32,959 Speaker 1: seeing a porcupine in real life. Probably armadillos everywhere everywhere, 522 00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:35,240 Speaker 1: and you know they carry hands this disease, so don't 523 00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:39,160 Speaker 1: get close to them. Porcupines don't carry any communicable diseases 524 00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:43,280 Speaker 1: that humans are concerned about except Travis. Yeah, they can 525 00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:45,600 Speaker 1: be rabid, but all mammals can be rabbid, you know, 526 00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:49,600 Speaker 1: So should we talk about what happens? You know, if 527 00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:54,040 Speaker 1: you just google porcupine and dog, you're gonna get a 528 00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:58,640 Speaker 1: lot of very sad pictures of curious dogs who stuck 529 00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:02,720 Speaker 1: their snout where they shouldn't and are barbed all over 530 00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:08,240 Speaker 1: the nose and snout. Not good, no, um. And there's 531 00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:10,480 Speaker 1: a lot of things that you want to do and 532 00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:13,280 Speaker 1: don't want to do if that happens to your dog, 533 00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:17,400 Speaker 1: because it's actually really bad if that happens. So if 534 00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:19,720 Speaker 1: your dog, if you ever see a porcupine on a 535 00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:22,960 Speaker 1: hike with your dog, get your dog away from that porcupine, 536 00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:25,560 Speaker 1: not just for the porcupine sake. Like if a porcupine 537 00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:28,880 Speaker 1: goes into a defensive posture, it's scared to death. It's not. 538 00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:31,920 Speaker 1: It might seem all tough and angry. It's scared. That's 539 00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:35,800 Speaker 1: why it's doing that. But also it could really mess 540 00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:38,000 Speaker 1: your dog up. So for at least your dogs, say, 541 00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:41,360 Speaker 1: get your dog away from the porcupine. And if if 542 00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:43,920 Speaker 1: you fail to do that quickly enough and your dog 543 00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:48,720 Speaker 1: does take some quills in its face and its neck wherever. Um, 544 00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:52,240 Speaker 1: those things can because especially on in the New World 545 00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:56,160 Speaker 1: porcupine uh, that their quills have um barbs, they can 546 00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:59,520 Speaker 1: migrate further and further inward. Um, they're not gonna work 547 00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:02,080 Speaker 1: themselves out, They're gonna actually work themselves in. So you 548 00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:04,720 Speaker 1: want to take your dog to a vet, like you 549 00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:06,520 Speaker 1: your dog gets quilled, You get in the car, you 550 00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:09,080 Speaker 1: go to the vet. That's the order of how everything happens. 551 00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:12,000 Speaker 1: You don't stop and get a double cheeseburger. You don't 552 00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:14,239 Speaker 1: like go home and like read the paper first, Like, 553 00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:16,480 Speaker 1: you go straight to the vet because your dog's gonna 554 00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:19,880 Speaker 1: need to go under general anesthesia, um to to have 555 00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:23,000 Speaker 1: those things removed. That's how bad of a jam it is. Yeah, 556 00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:27,360 Speaker 1: I'm actually gonna amend that with your permission, um, because 557 00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:30,960 Speaker 1: what the first thing you should do, and hopefully you're 558 00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:32,920 Speaker 1: with someone else if you've got it. Really it would 559 00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:34,440 Speaker 1: be great if you have two people in on this, 560 00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:38,040 Speaker 1: one one to drive and one to keep your dog 561 00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:41,120 Speaker 1: from messing with their face. Yeah, that's a big one, 562 00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:45,320 Speaker 1: because they're gonna if there's quills poking in a dog's face, 563 00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:47,640 Speaker 1: they're gonna paw at it. They're gonna try and rub 564 00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:51,000 Speaker 1: their nose on the ground, and that is bad, bad, bad, 565 00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:53,120 Speaker 1: bad bad, because those quills are just going to go 566 00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:56,920 Speaker 1: further and further in. So you really really need to 567 00:32:57,040 --> 00:32:59,960 Speaker 1: do your best to hold onto your dog, hold their 568 00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:04,040 Speaker 1: head up, and keep their paws away from their face. Uh. 569 00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:06,040 Speaker 1: And like you said, go straight to that vet. Because 570 00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:08,720 Speaker 1: you don't try and remove them yourself, you're not. You're 571 00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:12,160 Speaker 1: only gonna make it worse. And that's like guaranteed. There's 572 00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:16,800 Speaker 1: also supposedly a myth that if you clip the porcupine 573 00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:20,240 Speaker 1: quill it deflates it and makes it easier to to 574 00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:24,240 Speaker 1: to to come out. They don't. They're not inflated with air, 575 00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:29,160 Speaker 1: so clipping it's not going to deflate anything. Yeah, and 576 00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:32,880 Speaker 1: it actually can make the quill shatter because imagine like, um, 577 00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:35,520 Speaker 1: like a really hard claw or something like that being 578 00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:38,760 Speaker 1: clipped with some scissors. It's going to shatter some um 579 00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:42,920 Speaker 1: and if if enough of the piece shutters far enough down, um, 580 00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:45,520 Speaker 1: it can reach the skin level. And then if it 581 00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:47,440 Speaker 1: works its way in, all of a sudden, you just 582 00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:49,880 Speaker 1: made it that much harder to get out because you 583 00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:52,960 Speaker 1: just added a new barb, which is that shattered, jagged 584 00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:55,120 Speaker 1: edge that used to be intact before you cut it 585 00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:58,280 Speaker 1: like a knucklehead. Yeah, I mean I could see the 586 00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:01,120 Speaker 1: instinct if you don't know what's going on on to 587 00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:03,200 Speaker 1: be to clip them because if they're really long and 588 00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:05,640 Speaker 1: sticking out of their face it looks terrible, or to 589 00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:08,160 Speaker 1: try and just put yank them out, but do not 590 00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:11,759 Speaker 1: don't do either one of those things. Um. Another big 591 00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:15,640 Speaker 1: reason why is the risk of infection is really really big. Um. 592 00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:20,520 Speaker 1: I mean, they have multiple, multiple stab wounds essentially, and they, 593 00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:24,799 Speaker 1: like you said, the only solution is general anesthesia. I 594 00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:29,080 Speaker 1: mean it's it's not surgery, but it's not not surgery now, 595 00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:31,480 Speaker 1: and they they you know, some of these may not 596 00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:33,840 Speaker 1: ever be able to come out, and your pets is 597 00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:36,000 Speaker 1: going to have a lifetime of being monitored to make 598 00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:39,480 Speaker 1: sure they don't migrate toward a joint or an organ 599 00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:42,719 Speaker 1: or their the back of their eye, who knows, or 600 00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:45,720 Speaker 1: depending on where they got stabbed with a quill. So UM. 601 00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:47,719 Speaker 1: I think it was the A s p c. A 602 00:34:48,200 --> 00:34:51,520 Speaker 1: that said the best way to to um to deal 603 00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:53,600 Speaker 1: with this is to prevent it from ever happening. Just 604 00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:56,120 Speaker 1: don't let your dog anywhere near a porcupine. It's just 605 00:34:56,880 --> 00:34:59,520 Speaker 1: not worth the risk. And don't you're're gonna scare the 606 00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:02,120 Speaker 1: porcupine too. Yeah, And if you live in porcupine country, 607 00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:04,640 Speaker 1: don't ever let your dog out of the house. No, 608 00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:07,000 Speaker 1: as a matter of fact, just keep it wrapped in 609 00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:12,239 Speaker 1: bubble wrapping all time. Train them. Yeah, or just change 610 00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:14,799 Speaker 1: the bubble wrapple and pee in the ball rap. Just 611 00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:17,520 Speaker 1: have to get tons and tons of bubble wrap and 612 00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:21,879 Speaker 1: then and don't throw it away, don't recycle it. Put 613 00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:23,719 Speaker 1: it in a huge pile at the end of each 614 00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:27,719 Speaker 1: season in your front yard and melt it with a blowtorch. Yeah, 615 00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:32,680 Speaker 1: that's great. Maybe mix it with acid tone first. Um, 616 00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:36,160 Speaker 1: I've got two more porcupine facts if you will indulge me. 617 00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:38,560 Speaker 1: Let's hear it. Do you got anything else? I got 618 00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:42,719 Speaker 1: nothing else. In the seventies, the seventies in the UK 619 00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:47,160 Speaker 1: was a swing in time for porcupines, apparently because there 620 00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:52,920 Speaker 1: was a population of Himalayan porcupines crested, I believe in 621 00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:56,480 Speaker 1: South Devon in the wild because they'd escaped from the 622 00:35:56,560 --> 00:35:59,840 Speaker 1: zoo sometime in the seventies and lived on the lamb 623 00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:04,040 Speaker 1: for a decade. And the same thing happened in Staffordshire 624 00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:08,040 Speaker 1: with a kind of crested porcupine where they had a 625 00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:11,000 Speaker 1: wild population because they escaped from the zoo too. Is 626 00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:14,279 Speaker 1: that near Stoke on Trent? No, no, we'll have to 627 00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:16,640 Speaker 1: ask Tom. All right, if that's near Stoke on Trent. 628 00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:21,520 Speaker 1: Are you got anything else again? I got nothing else? Okay, 629 00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:24,760 Speaker 1: well let's say from porcupines. Everybody go watch Teddy Bear videos. 630 00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:27,520 Speaker 1: You're gonna love them. Uh. And since I said Teddy Bears, 631 00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:31,759 Speaker 1: time for a listener, mail man. I can't wait to 632 00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:34,560 Speaker 1: turn up the volume on this. You're good. It's gonna 633 00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:38,400 Speaker 1: knock your socks right at all I do this. Teddy 634 00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:41,239 Speaker 1: Bear is probably on Instagram, I would imagine, but I 635 00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:46,520 Speaker 1: do follow that groundhog on Instagram. Oh, Chunk, I think 636 00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:49,279 Speaker 1: I knew. I think I know who you're talking about. Yeah, Chunk, 637 00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:54,520 Speaker 1: the groundhog gets good stuff. Yeah, alright, so here we go. 638 00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:58,280 Speaker 1: This is from Oh, this is from Don the Black Cowboy. 639 00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:01,200 Speaker 1: Did you see this one? Oh? Yeah, this is It's fantastic. 640 00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:05,200 Speaker 1: We did a short stuff on black cowboys in history 641 00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:07,920 Speaker 1: and how they have long been overlooked. So, for some 642 00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:11,640 Speaker 1: weird reason, you don't listen to short stuffs you should Yeah, 643 00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:13,960 Speaker 1: we never kind of promote that, but it's just like 644 00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:17,160 Speaker 1: stuff you should know, but it's shorter. Yeah, what's your problem? Listen? 645 00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:19,720 Speaker 1: Hey guys, my name is Don and I'm my twenty 646 00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:22,839 Speaker 1: five year old black cowboy from Texas. I, along with 647 00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:28,239 Speaker 1: my brother, am also a second generation amateur ferrier as well. 648 00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:31,399 Speaker 1: My father taught us after learning the trade growing up 649 00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:34,480 Speaker 1: on our family farm, then later going into horse shoeing 650 00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:37,400 Speaker 1: as a side career. When I saw your episode about blacksmithing, 651 00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:40,000 Speaker 1: I was eager to hear if you mentioned ferriers in it, 652 00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:42,960 Speaker 1: and I thought I might finally right in. Uh. Then 653 00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:45,759 Speaker 1: when you came out with a black cowboy episode, all 654 00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:48,880 Speaker 1: of my friends shared the episode with me, so I 655 00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:51,400 Speaker 1: knew I had to write. As a kid, our family 656 00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:54,520 Speaker 1: did trail rides, rodeos, and horse races nearly every weekend. 657 00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:58,080 Speaker 1: Since leaving my hometown for college and beyond, I've often 658 00:37:58,120 --> 00:38:02,440 Speaker 1: been uh, the first introduction to black cowboys slash farmers. 659 00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:05,360 Speaker 1: For most people. There's a large community of black cowboys 660 00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:09,399 Speaker 1: and farmers still surviving regardless of the systemic issues we face. 661 00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:13,320 Speaker 1: Whenever it's safe again, I'd like to invite anyone hearing 662 00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:17,200 Speaker 1: this out to our annual trail ride Easter weekend to 663 00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:20,960 Speaker 1: get a chance to experience the lifestyle. Am that cool? Dude? 664 00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:23,319 Speaker 1: I so want to do this. So he sent a 665 00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:26,239 Speaker 1: flyer too, and it looks super interesting, it does. It 666 00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:29,280 Speaker 1: looks awesome. Yeah, And so they hold it over Easter 667 00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:32,879 Speaker 1: weekend and you just basically go live the cowboy life 668 00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:34,919 Speaker 1: for a weekend. I love it. And it's like ten 669 00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:37,560 Speaker 1: bucks or something like that too. Yeah, it's not like 670 00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:41,040 Speaker 1: some city slicker scam. No, Don doesn't stick it to you. 671 00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:44,759 Speaker 1: Don'll give it to you straight back, straight shooter, he says. 672 00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:47,080 Speaker 1: Love the podcast really helped keep me company these last 673 00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:50,880 Speaker 1: few years in the Peace Corps. So Don is my 674 00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:52,920 Speaker 1: new most interesting man in the world. I think he 675 00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:55,399 Speaker 1: is one of the more well rounded stuff you should 676 00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:57,400 Speaker 1: know listeners we've heard from in a while. Yeah, and 677 00:38:57,440 --> 00:38:59,920 Speaker 1: he says, ps, Yes, I did ride my horse to school. 678 00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:03,480 Speaker 1: That's amazing. Yeah. Well, thanks a lot, Don, Hats off 679 00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:06,480 Speaker 1: to you, Tan Gallon hat even literally. Um, thank you 680 00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:08,319 Speaker 1: for the invite. We may see you one of these 681 00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:11,839 Speaker 1: Easter weekends and your trail ride. Um. And if you 682 00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:14,759 Speaker 1: want to get in touch with us, you can send 683 00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:18,840 Speaker 1: us an email to the Stuff podcast at iHeart radio 684 00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:24,160 Speaker 1: dot com. Stuff you Should Know is a production of 685 00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:26,960 Speaker 1: iHeart Radio's How Stuff Works. For more podcasts for my 686 00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:29,800 Speaker 1: heart Radio, visit the iHeart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or 687 00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:31,440 Speaker 1: wherever you listen to your favorite shows.