Speaker 1: Hey, that folks. It is Friday, June twenty seventh, and
Speaker 1: closing arguments are done in the Diddy trial. Both sides
Speaker 1: have said all they can say, and they've made their
Speaker 1: cases to the jury and it is now up to
Speaker 1: them to decide the fate of Sean Diddy Combs. And
Speaker 1: with that, welcome to this second did He update of
Speaker 1: the day here on Amy and TJ and Romes. It's
Speaker 1: been a long, long day in court usually throughout the
Speaker 1: case they've been going usually till three o'clock. Yeah, they
Speaker 1: went well passed a couple hours past till five plus,
Speaker 1: and they've been listening to a lot of lawyer's talk.
Speaker 2: Yes and telling them completely opposite things. Disregard this, think
Speaker 2: about that. They've seen a lot of show voting, gesticulating,
Speaker 2: and some very interesting common sense arguments, and then a
Speaker 2: lot of stuff. I think many of the jurors might
Speaker 2: have been internally rolling their eyes out, But we can
Speaker 2: get into all of that.
Speaker 1: But Mark Agnifhilo, the lead attorney for did He, started
Speaker 1: the day off this morning and he went for about
Speaker 1: four hours. They were saying, robes, I guess that's where
Speaker 1: I guess lawyers are like Baptist preachers when they say
Speaker 1: this ain't gonna take long, you just assume it's going
Speaker 1: to take longer. Number of times have been in church
Speaker 1: and they say, hey, I'm wrapping up. That's when we
Speaker 1: know to get settled in. So they said three hours,
Speaker 1: and they did not stick to that time limit.
Speaker 2: Yes, over four hours, but that actually pales in comparison
Speaker 2: to the prosecution's closing arguments yesterday, when they went over
Speaker 2: five hours or almost five hours, i should say. And
Speaker 2: after the jurors sat through Mark Agniphilo's four hour plus
Speaker 2: closing arguments, then Marine Komi came back for the prosecution
Speaker 2: and spent about ninety minutes for a rebuttal. So this
Speaker 2: was an exceptionally long day for the jury. So the
Speaker 2: judge before they even went back after the break, let
Speaker 2: everyone know that he was saving his instructions for the
Speaker 2: jury to Monday. So the jury officially will not begin
Speaker 2: their deliberations until Monday, so they have the whole weekend.
Speaker 3: To process what they heard.
Speaker 2: I don't know if that's a good thing or a
Speaker 2: bad thing. They're not supposed to talk to anybody about
Speaker 2: what they've seen, heard witness, what they're thinking, what they're
Speaker 2: feeling they.
Speaker 1: Could use the break, just the rest. It's good to reset.
Speaker 1: It has been a long week for them, a very
Speaker 1: trying week. I mean, it's telling me seven weeks for
Speaker 1: them eight weeks.
Speaker 2: Wait goodness, and it could be an even longer week
Speaker 2: next week. But I'm sure they're all getting ready for
Speaker 2: that fourth of July holiday a week from today, so
Speaker 2: they have motivation to come back with some sort of verdict,
Speaker 2: some sort of answer by the end of next week.
Speaker 1: They and kind of we don't know how long the
Speaker 1: jury instructions are going to take. So on Monday it
Speaker 1: could take half the day. It could take one hour,
Speaker 1: two three, so they might not get going into a
Speaker 1: lunch or after, so you've maybe got a half day now,
Speaker 1: he said, it's going to be up to them. I've
Speaker 1: seen jury sometimes say we want more time and go
Speaker 1: into the nights, or are they going to end every
Speaker 1: day at three, four, five? And you talk about as well,
Speaker 1: some of them have personal lives and some things they
Speaker 1: might want to get out for, and there are the
Speaker 1: things they need to do they're going to be able
Speaker 1: to determine. So we don't know how many hours they're
Speaker 1: going to get each day. But we know they got
Speaker 1: four days next week.
Speaker 2: Maybe three and a half, like you're pointing out, because
Speaker 2: of the juror, the judges instructions to the juror for deliberations,
Speaker 2: so they may only have three and a half days.
Speaker 2: For sure, Court is out of session on the fourth
Speaker 2: of July. If they need that day, that day will
Speaker 2: be I guess spent with family enough to come back
Speaker 2: the following week. We'll have to see. That's all TBD,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 1: And there is so much for them to consider. Rose
Speaker 1: the back and forth we we said it. I mean,
Speaker 1: every time we hear one side, we go, wow, that's
Speaker 1: a slam dunk, and then we hear the other side
Speaker 1: and go wow, they just shot down everything that the
Speaker 1: back and forth. We kind of saw these volleys go
Speaker 1: back and forth and they kind of went tit for tat.
Speaker 1: But we'll finish out. We gave you the in our
Speaker 1: part one of the day. We told you what Mark Agnaphilo,
Speaker 1: the lead attorney for Diddy, said in his first half
Speaker 1: of his closing arguments. But he picked up and he
Speaker 1: spent a lot of time robes going after or at
Speaker 1: least trying to discredit I should say, Cassie been to
Speaker 1: a fine.
Speaker 2: He certainly did, and in that he was also talking
Speaker 2: about just this is a little bit of a tough point,
Speaker 2: just because obviously the jurors saw Cassie, they listened to her,
Speaker 2: they watched her demeanor. She was eight and a half
Speaker 2: months pregnant. And so his big point was that that
Speaker 2: surveillance video that was shown at nauseum during the trial,
Speaker 2: he claims that was not a situation where she was
Speaker 2: trying to get away from Ditty from a freak off.
Speaker 2: She didn't want to be in a freak off and
Speaker 2: he coerced her to come back.
Speaker 3: No, he said, this was an argu or a quarrel.
Speaker 3: I believe he put it that way over a cell phone.
Speaker 2: And so he was offering an alternate explanation that didn't
Speaker 2: involve coercion to actually perform during freak OSTs, but instead
Speaker 2: it was just a lover's quarrel over a cell phone.
Speaker 1: This is important because that's part of the reason of
Speaker 1: part of the ways they can make a sex traffic count.
Speaker 1: This particular incident they played the defense played a part
Speaker 1: of that surveillance video. However, it's not a part that
Speaker 1: you have seen in all likelihood it's not a part
Speaker 1: of any of the violence going on. It's a different
Speaker 1: angle in which they're just walking. You see her walking
Speaker 1: down the hallway with a cell phone. Do you fast
Speaker 1: forward to when he actually assaulted her, But then he
Speaker 1: left her and he snatches something from her that was
Speaker 1: the cell phone, and they claim that's the evidence. That's evidence.
Speaker 1: She went back into the room, they say, for another
Speaker 1: almost four minutes, and said, Hey, that is not a
Speaker 1: scary place, right, So if it's not a scary place,
Speaker 1: where is the fear that she has to perform a
Speaker 1: sex act or she's going to be harmed? Yeah, is
Speaker 1: the argument? Did the jury by that one? Because the
Speaker 1: rebuttal came that we're going to get into later that
Speaker 1: went after that very theory.
Speaker 3: Yes, exactly.
Speaker 2: So he said, the point is that room that Diddy
Speaker 2: was in that she was seemingly running from.
Speaker 3: Of course she was running from.
Speaker 2: She went right back to it after what we all
Speaker 2: saw in that surveillance video.
Speaker 3: And why would she do that if she was scared
Speaker 3: of him.
Speaker 1: I've never heard that point or anything about a different
Speaker 1: angle or that argument. I haven't heard it before.
Speaker 3: That's the first I've heard of that as well.
Speaker 2: And then he also went to talk about Jane and
Speaker 2: talked about that point where the prosecution said she got
Speaker 2: into a.
Speaker 3: Fight with him. Then she went into another.
Speaker 2: Room and the sex worker, the male escort, heard slapping
Speaker 2: and hitting and then he was telling her you have
Speaker 2: to go back and you have to perform well. They
Speaker 2: point out that Fence pointed out in their closing arguments
Speaker 2: that Jane started the fight, that she slammed Ditty's head
Speaker 2: onto that countertop first, and said that that was not
Speaker 2: the way the prosecution. It was very different than the
Speaker 2: way the prosecution presented it and the way Jane testified
Speaker 2: to look.
Speaker 1: It was a violent fight. It was at her house,
Speaker 1: as the one she went and hit outside of her
Speaker 1: home for two hours. It was that night with a
Speaker 1: terribly violent fight, and they they held onto this theory
Speaker 1: this was supposed to be another sex trafficking night because
Speaker 1: after she was beating up, they called a male escort
Speaker 1: over and she was told to perform.
Speaker 3: Yeah, put some ice on those bruises, and that was night.
Speaker 1: Put on what was the line? It was something so
Speaker 1: good off, like put on something nice or put on lingerie.
Speaker 3: I thought it wanted her to put on laingerie.
Speaker 2: While she was icing her injuries that he gave her
Speaker 2: and said, and now you're going to perform.
Speaker 1: So that night, as awful as it was, the way
Speaker 1: they are framing it now with the defense is she
Speaker 1: started the fight. She's not being trafficked. She's not being
Speaker 1: told you have to do this because or I'm threatening
Speaker 1: you with violence. No, she pounded his head onto a marble.
Speaker 2: Countertop because she was jealous over some young thing that
Speaker 2: Diddy was seeing on the side.
Speaker 1: And say they even went further on this night, saying
Speaker 1: this came out of nowhere, and even made the suggestion
Speaker 1: that this whole night was a setup, waiting for this
Speaker 1: because at this point he was allegations were out there,
Speaker 1: Cassie's lawsuit was out there.
Speaker 2: The other thing that was kind of shocking to me,
Speaker 2: and I think to you as weal tj because we
Speaker 2: talked about this, we heard Mark say to the jury,
Speaker 2: you guys know who her baby father is talking about
Speaker 2: Jane and kept alluding to personal information about Jane that
Speaker 2: has been kept confidential at trial for all of us, but.
Speaker 3: It's known to the juris.
Speaker 2: But it's almost like we were saying, he was suggesting
Speaker 2: that they go home this weekend and google it. And
Speaker 2: that point is obviously this person who is her baby daddy,
Speaker 2: who we won't say.
Speaker 3: Because obviously that would identify perhaps who she is.
Speaker 2: But he said, look, bottom line, Jane was there with
Speaker 2: him in Vegas and she was comfortable being in that
Speaker 2: sort of stratosphere or strata. So this is where she
Speaker 2: attended another freak off like sex party, and so she
Speaker 2: went there willingly with her baby daddy, who's also a
Speaker 2: well known person, and so this is herm Basically, that's
Speaker 2: what they were trying to imply. But it was a
Speaker 2: little shocking that he was being so specific in potentially
Speaker 2: identifying Jane in his closing arguments.
Speaker 1: I mean, nobody objected, nobody grout and hollered. I guess
Speaker 1: it was allowed, but it sounded very tabloid ish. It
Speaker 1: sounded very social media chatter like that he just kind
Speaker 1: of slid that in there. And to your point, it
Speaker 1: does sound like they are aware, right, the the jury
Speaker 1: is aware.
Speaker 2: I mean they see her, so, I mean, she's not
Speaker 2: obviously testifying under her actual name, but her face isn't
Speaker 2: obscure in any way.
Speaker 1: But what was the assignment it did? It seemed like
Speaker 1: an assignment. He planted something in their heads for some
Speaker 1: reason with that, why now we need a legal experts?
Speaker 2: Lots of doubt being cast the other thing. To me,
Speaker 2: there was something that Mark was trying to do or
Speaker 2: at least provide another explanation for freakoffs to the jury
Speaker 2: that didn't really pass.
Speaker 3: Pass the test for me.
Speaker 2: He really tried to tell the jurors, or bring this
Speaker 2: home to the jurors, that these freak offs weren't just
Speaker 2: about sex, that this was about hanging out, about eating food,
Speaker 2: listening to music. He brought up usher, He talked about
Speaker 2: Cassie eating watermelon, that this was just a good old
Speaker 2: time where sometimes sex happened.
Speaker 3: How'd you feel about that?
Speaker 1: I feel that you. I'm sorry, I love you, but
Speaker 1: I think you did a disservice. You should read that
Speaker 1: his oka read it line for line, and he puts
Speaker 1: together a beautiful It sounds like a party you'd like
Speaker 1: to go to, A.
Speaker 3: Beautifully tonight, a beautiful evening. He called it.
Speaker 1: Okay, you see the next the music's nice, the mood
Speaker 1: seems friendly and easy going, and everyone is smiling, they're laughing.
Speaker 1: Forget the sex part. There's a real genuine intimacy and
Speaker 1: just nice quality to these evenings.
Speaker 3: That's tough.
Speaker 2: That's tough after you heard both of these women tearfully
Speaker 2: talk about having to painfully continue to perform for hours
Speaker 2: on end, fueled with drugs, with ut eyes and.
Speaker 3: Yeast infections, no condoms.
Speaker 2: And then this is just a completely completely different explanation
Speaker 2: for what the videos were that we saw nice. He
Speaker 2: even said this, this is you're right, I did it.
Speaker 2: Mytilation was nowhere near as entertaining as his exact words.
Speaker 2: So these were his exact words from Mark Agniphillo. Looking
Speaker 2: at the videos you heard from Jane, there is a rapport.
Speaker 3: Everyone is smiling. It is a sex party.
Speaker 2: They are eating food, Cassie is eating watermelon. They are
Speaker 2: listening to music. The two escorts called to testify said
Speaker 2: there was a lot of talking and hanging out.
Speaker 1: Ohaps, it sounds like what that sounds like a beautiful evening.
Speaker 2: It sounds kind of laughable though, once you've all, I mean,
Speaker 2: these jurors have heard testify to something completely So that
Speaker 2: act like a lot of what he did, a lot
Speaker 2: of what he said actually was very effective. As we
Speaker 2: talked about in part one of what happened, earlier this morning.
Speaker 2: This he completely lost me as someone who is trying
Speaker 2: to keep my mind open, and I just it was
Speaker 2: kind of laughable.
Speaker 1: Okay, you agree, I okay, to your point, he didn't
Speaker 1: go too far too often. This was one that might
Speaker 1: have felt like a stretch. Now, even if everyone in
Speaker 1: that video was a completely willing participant, you still couldn't
Speaker 1: describe it as the beautiful thing that he described pasably.
Speaker 2: Yes, and look, the other thing the defense was arguing
Speaker 2: throughout the trial and tried to bring home again today
Speaker 2: in closing arguments was that these male escorts were invited
Speaker 2: to hotel nights or freak golfs, however you want to
Speaker 2: call them. They were paid for their time and their experience,
Speaker 2: not sex.
Speaker 1: Yeah, come on, escort that's what it means, right, escort.
Speaker 1: You escort me here, you escort me there, you keep
Speaker 1: me company.
Speaker 2: And yet the escorts described having sex with his girls
Speaker 2: while he masturbated. Yes, so I don't think it was
Speaker 2: about as we heard from the rebuttal scintillating conversation.
Speaker 1: It was an open contract. They didn't know what they were. Yes,
Speaker 1: that is a point that the defense attorney made several
Speaker 1: times today that no they were not paid for sex.
Speaker 1: He point. He made a point of one uh one
Speaker 1: evening they had somebody come by. He was rejected by Jane.
Speaker 1: I think it was she didn't like that guy, and
Speaker 1: they still paid him.
Speaker 3: An he lefts one time. One time sex didn't happen.
Speaker 3: So you can't hang your hat.
Speaker 2: On the one anomaly where they didn't have sex.
Speaker 1: Hey, I'm not the lawyer here. I'm just telling you
Speaker 1: what he said.
Speaker 3: But he lost me on that one, and the attorney.
Speaker 1: Did kind of this is laughable. She called it laughable
Speaker 1: to think they weren't there for sex.
Speaker 2: Yes, I do think that this was This was an
Speaker 2: interesting comment that that Mark Agnifilo said. He said, I
Speaker 2: don't think this is the only man in America making
Speaker 2: homemade porn.
Speaker 1: It's kind of not that's not simplifying, but also being
Speaker 1: dismissive of what did he is doing. He's being dismissive
Speaker 1: because so many other people do this. Why is on
Speaker 1: trial for it?
Speaker 3: Correct?
Speaker 1: Does that land? I don't know, but that was a
Speaker 1: way of kind of leveling the field. This is what
Speaker 1: a lot of men do.
Speaker 2: That was one of his better lines in this second half.
Speaker 2: But he again had so many other ones for me
Speaker 2: that I was like, Ooh, I think you've I think
Speaker 2: you've over overreached at this point.
Speaker 3: Just again my non legal opinion.
Speaker 1: All right, and stay with us here, folks, because when
Speaker 1: we come back, quick break here. When we come back,
Speaker 1: we're going to tell you what the Diddy's defense attorney,
Speaker 1: his lead attorney, Agnifillo, what he thought should be his
Speaker 1: final words to the jury. Also will tell you how
Speaker 1: the prosecution wrapped things up, and a big update to
Speaker 1: the schedule for the jury. All right, folks, welcome back.
Speaker 1: As Mark Agnifilo closed, wrapped up his arguments, Robes, I
Speaker 1: thought the line was important when we talked about sex truck,
Speaker 1: was every single incident, every freak off considered sex trafficking?
Speaker 1: He asked the jury the question. The government said, they're
Speaker 1: not saying that every single hotel night was sex trafficking. Well, then,
Speaker 1: which ones were? And how is Sean Combe supposed to
Speaker 1: know the difference? If you just write that down and
Speaker 1: take that into the jury room with you, that's kind
Speaker 1: of powerful. Which ones were, which ones weren't, which ones were?
Speaker 1: Was she coursed enough here? She was scared enough on
Speaker 1: this one?
Speaker 2: With that? Now, I was shocked when we heard the
Speaker 2: prosecutor the government acknowledged that, because on one hand, I
Speaker 2: get it, they're trying to say, hey, we're not saying
Speaker 2: every single night was sex trafficking, but there and they
Speaker 2: laid out the three, I believe, specific instances where they
Speaker 2: said it was. But that does open the door for
Speaker 2: what we just heard from Agnafillo that how I said this,
Speaker 2: how is did he supposed to know that this time
Speaker 2: they don't want to do it or this time it's
Speaker 2: not okay to do it.
Speaker 3: That that seems.
Speaker 2: A little gray and a little shaky in terms of
Speaker 2: what Ditty was supposed to know. If they're acknowledging, if
Speaker 2: the prosecution is acknowledging there were parties, freak offs, hotel
Speaker 2: nights where it wasn't sex trafficking, that is confusing to me.
Speaker 2: So it's fair to at least assume that it might
Speaker 2: be confusing to Ditty.
Speaker 3: So I get that, I do get that.
Speaker 1: I had a legal question I was about to ask.
Speaker 1: Then I said, you know what, We're going to go
Speaker 1: down a rabbit hole and need one of us as
Speaker 1: the actual answer. Yes, But the club Again, it's always important,
Speaker 1: always trying to find a powerful moment but these were
Speaker 1: the words Agnifilo chose to be the final ones.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think they were powerful.
Speaker 2: Here is what Mark Agnavillo in his final attempt to
Speaker 2: sway the jury to find Ditty innocent. He said this,
Speaker 2: you should feel bold, You should feel the courage that
Speaker 2: you will need to call this as you see it.
Speaker 2: And I am asking you to summon that courage and
Speaker 2: to do what needs to be done and to do
Speaker 2: the right thing. He sits there, innocent. Return him to
Speaker 2: his family who have been waiting for him.
Speaker 1: Wow. That line almost trying to embolden them. It seems
Speaker 1: like you have the power to Again, there seems to
Speaker 1: be a lot of calling on people's common sense. Yes,
Speaker 1: call it as you see it. Don't be afraid to
Speaker 1: call it as you see it. That's I don't know.
Speaker 1: He's a good con communicator. Whoever this guy.
Speaker 3: Is, he was excellent.
Speaker 2: And Yes, that was a very powerful final statement to
Speaker 2: the jury. And then Maureen Comy came up for the
Speaker 2: prosecution to conduct the rebuttal and it was interesting because
Speaker 2: there was a big difference from what we have heard
Speaker 2: or at least read from the courtroom reporters. Mariene Comy
Speaker 2: came off a little bit more boisterous, maybe even a
Speaker 2: little sarcastic.
Speaker 3: She was had a tone that didn't.
Speaker 2: Match necessarily agnifilo, but at least a little bit of
Speaker 2: what he was doing the show, voting the theatrics in
Speaker 2: the courtroom, and she went after his inexcusable behavior. She said,
Speaker 2: but she said again, it repeated this, and we heard
Speaker 2: this throughout the trial with Diddy. No was never an option.
Speaker 2: But I appreciated when she said about escorts not being
Speaker 2: paid for sex, but instead being paid for what their time.
Speaker 3: Yes, and their experience companionship. She said, this is companionship.
Speaker 2: This was probably one of my favorite lines I heard
Speaker 2: from prosecutors in the last two days. She said that
Speaker 2: notion that theory doesn't even pass the laugh test. Common
Speaker 2: sense tells you that he did not pay them for
Speaker 2: their scintillating conversation that landed.
Speaker 1: Common sense was more of a theme for the rebuttal
Speaker 1: than it was for the main closing. There was a
Speaker 1: lot of going through legal this and statutes and matching
Speaker 1: up with this count in that count. That was a
Speaker 1: lot of this ring comming, was a lot of come home, man, Yeah,
Speaker 1: give me a break, man, are you kidding? Me, man,
Speaker 1: that was a lot of that in her Uh, but.
Speaker 2: Agne Phillo was doing that as well, started off to prosecution, right,
Speaker 2: so she kind of took on that same tone and
Speaker 2: she got a little This.
Speaker 3: Is where she kind of got sarcastic.
Speaker 2: You were not sure this one landed as well when
Speaker 2: they were trying to make the argument that Diddy was
Speaker 2: not bringing a gun to go confront kid Cutty Cuddy,
Speaker 2: that Diddy was more of a handsome, fist guy. He
Speaker 2: would never bring a weapon to an argument.
Speaker 3: That's not how he rolled. And she took that and
Speaker 3: turned it around a bit.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I she says, Agnefhillo said, Sean Combs was
Speaker 1: a hand and fist guy. Sure with his girlfriends. It
Speaker 1: almost sounds like it's supposed to be a but ump
Speaker 1: bump at the end, like it was just kind of
Speaker 1: a taking a shot at him. And I don't know
Speaker 1: how effective some of that stuff is. It just to
Speaker 1: looks like it was trying.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And so it was interesting because obviously the defense
Speaker 2: in its final arguments, was really trying to bring home
Speaker 2: the fact that yes on Dittycomb's domestically abused his girlfriends
Speaker 2: and they weren't shy about admitting that and then pointing
Speaker 2: out very specifically that he's not been charged with that,
Speaker 2: so that's not the issue. But then Marine Commey tried
Speaker 2: to take that and she told jurors being a domestic
Speaker 2: abuser is not a defense to sex trafficking.
Speaker 3: What did you think about that statement?
Speaker 1: Well, it's the one that might be at the heart
Speaker 1: of the case because the defense is saying the exact
Speaker 1: opposite that just because you are an abuser, it doesn't
Speaker 1: mean you're a sex trafficker, right, And just because the
Speaker 1: person you're view abusing is also involved in your sex fantasies,
Speaker 1: it doesn't mean you are a sex trafficker. So, yeah,
Speaker 1: that statement is at the heart of what these two
Speaker 1: are going after and what this jury is going to
Speaker 1: have to start starting on Monday.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and Marine Comy really wanted to bring this home
Speaker 2: to the jurors as well. She said the defense the
Speaker 2: entire trial and specifically definitely during these closing arguments, tried
Speaker 2: to blame Ditty's alleged victims and the government with his
Speaker 2: own choices, and so she was like, stop blaming the
Speaker 2: prosecution for going after Ditty or blaming Cassie or.
Speaker 3: Jane for going after Diddy.
Speaker 2: He has to be responsible for his choices, and she
Speaker 2: really wanted to bring that home. She said that Cassie
Speaker 2: and Jane weren't women out for vengeance. They weren't women
Speaker 2: who were out for money. Yes, Cassie was paid, Yes
Speaker 2: Jane has been staying in an apartment paid for by Ditty,
Speaker 2: but she said they had no other reason to be
Speaker 2: at this trial except for standing up for what is right.
Speaker 2: And so with that, the testimony, the closing arguments, it's
Speaker 2: all done, and so we have to wait until Monday
Speaker 2: to see what happens next. But thank you for listening
Speaker 2: to us throughout this entire trial, talking about the testimony
Speaker 2: and listening to our thoughts on what was going on
Speaker 2: in that Lower Manhattan court room.
Speaker 3: Will continue to follow all of the proceedings. We hope
Speaker 3: you have a wonderful weekend.
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