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Speaker 1: it's just basic, like economics, What would it really change

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Speaker 1: because it's easy to say, make a full time employe. Okay,

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Speaker 1: so what are they doing Monday through Friday? That's that

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Speaker 1: much different than what they're doing now. The top ten

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Speaker 1: quarterbacks by passer rating this week was just funny. Quarterbacks

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Speaker 1: today get more reps in training from an early from

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Speaker 1: early as middle school, and with the transfer portal, guys

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Speaker 1: are staying in college longer. Do you think that the

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Speaker 1: performances of backup quarterbacks lower draft quarterbacks lower drafted quarterbacks

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Speaker 1: will help fix the quarterback inflation in the league, or

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Speaker 1: just on the side, even inflate the importance of investing

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Speaker 1: in a well compensated backup. Here were some of the

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Speaker 1: names of quarterback ratings last week. Jake Browning, Brock Purdy,

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Speaker 1: Zach Wilson, Bailey Zappy, Tommy DeVito, Stafford, dak Lamar Flacco,

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Speaker 1: Drew Locke. It's hard because ideally, if I knew, I'd

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Speaker 1: get my starter in the fifth round, like if I

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Speaker 1: knew Sam Howe was gonna be brock perty. Sam Howe

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Speaker 1: is one like a no brainer pick, right, because you

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Speaker 1: get him on this cheap deal. But what if he's

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Speaker 1: just kind of good but not quite good enough. It's

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Speaker 1: why the quarterback inflation is always going to be a

448
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Speaker 1: real thing. Right. Sometimes you can go into an area

449
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Speaker 1: in a city, in a community, in a state and

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Speaker 1: find a gem real estate wise, Right, like you can

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Speaker 1: find something for five hundred grand, which, for whatever reason,

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Speaker 1: different circumstances, maybe a company moves there in five years

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Speaker 1: is worth one point five million dollars. But for the

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Speaker 1: most part, the reason everyone pays the most for beachfront property,

455
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Speaker 1: the best properties in certain states that don't have high taxes, right,

456
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Speaker 1: certain areas in every city that are just more desirable

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Speaker 1: for a reason. It's no different than quarterback. Right, if

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Speaker 1: you try to get cute and there's a huge element

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Speaker 1: of luck involved, you always got to invest high if

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Speaker 1: you think the guy can play, because it's just that

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Speaker 1: important of a position and so much of it's out

462
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Speaker 1: of your control. So if you liked the guy, surely

463
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Speaker 1: many other people like the guy. Just just draped the guy. John,

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Speaker 1: your podcast is the best sports podcast I've ever come across. Jacob,

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Speaker 1: you are a good man. My friends and I are

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Speaker 1: in agreement that this is a lot of just giving

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Speaker 1: me a reach around. So we'll just jump to the

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Speaker 1: question who is your favorite NFL player of all time

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Speaker 1: and why? What makes them stand out in your mind.

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Speaker 1: I was thinking about this the other day because I

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Speaker 1: was watching the Barry Sanders documentary, and I've always had

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Speaker 1: this kind of thing that it's much easier to get

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Speaker 1: famous now because of the Internet. Like when I was

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Speaker 1: growing up in the nineties, pre internet, whenever the Internet

475
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Speaker 1: really took off, I would say early two thousands. But

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Speaker 1: like in the nineties, if you were really famous, it

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Speaker 1: meant you were really fucking famous because it meant you

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Speaker 1: had access to TV, the magazines, the newspapers. You had

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Speaker 1: to be on those places to be big. Now, like

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Speaker 1: I could just be a guy that has an enormous

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Speaker 1: you know, YouTube channel, slash, Instagram, slash TikTok and be

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Speaker 1: a guy that millions of people know about. But if

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Speaker 1: you were Barry Sanders, because I was watching the Barry

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Speaker 1: Sanders documentary and I'm like, Barry Sanders was fucking famous

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Speaker 1: when I was a kid. I mean, he was on

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Speaker 1: a joke franchise team. Yet every kid they played pick

487
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Speaker 1: up football, they played high school football, they played pee

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Speaker 1: wee football. Thought at one point in time, until you

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Speaker 1: realize you're too slow, like I want to do moves

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Speaker 1: like Barry Sanders. And I would say there was a

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Speaker 1: crew of guys in the nineties that I kind of

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Speaker 1: grew up on. It would be Brett Faarr, Steve Young,

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Speaker 1: Emmett Smith, Barry Sanders, Deon Sanders, right, Reggie White, kind

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Speaker 1: of that crew. I think Barry Sanders and Brett Farv

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Speaker 1: were two of my favorite players growing up. I mean

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Speaker 1: I grew up a nine er fan, but a lot

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Speaker 1: like baseball. You know, you'd like love cal Ripken, or

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Speaker 1: you love King Griffy Junior, or in basketball like I

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Speaker 1: love Gary Payton. You know, it's just these guys were

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Speaker 1: national stars and Charles Barkley whoever. And I would say

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Speaker 1: Barry Sanders and Brett Fahr were just and then I

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Speaker 1: love Ray Lewis probably into high school for sure, just

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Speaker 1: how good he was a football. So yeah, that'd probably

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Speaker 1: be my answer. How do I order one of those

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Speaker 1: three and out hats? You just go to the volume

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Speaker 1: dot com and you search three and out merch and

507
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Speaker 1: you get one of these flexra's hats. Really easy to do.

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Speaker 1: I think the NFL has evolved too much to have

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Speaker 1: a motivator as your head coach. If your offensive coordinator

510
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Speaker 1: is talented and gets a head coaching job, you are screwed.

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Speaker 1: I know the Eagles could never have done it, but

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Speaker 1: I believe they would have been better with Shane Steichen

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Speaker 1: at the helm. Sirianni Tomlin and others are replaceable, but

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Speaker 1: amazing play caller Isn't could not agree more. I think

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Speaker 1: in this modern day time es actually the way guys

516
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Speaker 1: are wired. You know, in the eighties and the nineties,

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Speaker 1: nutrition no one talked about like gut health. You know,

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Speaker 1: no one talked about the off season workout plan for

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Speaker 1: nine straight months. You know, Historically, like in the seventies

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Speaker 1: and eighties, guys would show up in training game after

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Speaker 1: drinking beer and smoking cigarettes all year so most guys now.

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Speaker 1: I bet if you went around the NFL and all

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Speaker 1: the good teams their top fifteen players and just found out,

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Speaker 1: like how seriously they took nutrition, how seriously they take sleep,

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Speaker 1: how seriously they take working out, how seriously they take training,

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Speaker 1: It's probably pretty high. It's definitely higher than it's ever been,

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Speaker 1: just because the information we have from cold tubs, tosaanas

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Speaker 1: to like everything to a science sleep chambers, so to

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Speaker 1: have some motivator. Most of these guys are pretty self motivated.

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Speaker 1: They really are. Now. Part of life is sometimes you

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Speaker 1: know you need to be coached up or you need

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Speaker 1: to be pushed. But I believe in pro sports now

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Speaker 1: more than ever in the history of the game, there

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Speaker 1: are more guys now. There have always been guys who

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Speaker 1: are intrinsically motivated, intrinsically focused, just driven at the highest

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Speaker 1: humanly possible levels, but I think on the aggregate there

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Speaker 1: are way more of those on good teams now than

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Speaker 1: ever before. So I'm with you. It's like, why does

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Speaker 1: Andy Reid have a lot of success because it's an

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Speaker 1: intellectual game, Like I'm scheming virtu I'm not worried on

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Speaker 1: a daily basis about pushing every guy to the limit.

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Speaker 1: Half these guys already pushing themselves to the limit. So

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Speaker 1: it's much more about like how do I put you

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Speaker 1: in the position to succeed. I don't think there's a question.

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Speaker 1: Now they couldn't have fired him, and I'm not saying

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Speaker 1: he should have been fired, But if you just pulled

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Speaker 1: the thirty two GMS right now, Shane Steichen or Nick Sirianni.

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Speaker 1: And this is gonna sound like I'm shitting on Nick Sirianni,

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Speaker 1: but it's just I think it would be I don't

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Speaker 1: know if be thirty two of thirty two, but it

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Speaker 1: would be fucking high Shane Stikeing over Syrianni because I

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Speaker 1: know for a fact what Shane Stikeing does. What does

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Speaker 1: Nick do? Prince out t shirts give some rocky speeches, Okay,

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Speaker 1: but like does the son Reddick? Does aj Brown need

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Speaker 1: a Rara speech? Or does they need to need to

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Speaker 1: be told like where to go? You know what play

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Speaker 1: we should run against this defense? That's what That's why

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Speaker 1: Urban Meyer and listen, I'm not those guys we've talked about, Sirianni, Harbaugh,

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Speaker 1: Tomlin like they have nothing in common with Urban. Urban

560
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Speaker 1: couldn't last a season. But the only pitch Urban had

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Speaker 1: was like this motivation stuff. Now he couldn't his motivation

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Speaker 1: stuff to pros. They're like, fuck you, bro, I make

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Speaker 1: fifteen million dollars a year. I make more than you.

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Speaker 1: But he's not a scheme guy. There's no schematic advantage

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Speaker 1: for him. The NFL is all about upstairs. It's all

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Speaker 1: about outthinking your opponent Monday, Tuesday, and then implementing with

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Speaker 1: your players Wednesday, Thursday and Friday so we can travel

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Speaker 1: or get ready for Saturday and then obviously Sunday. Right,

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Speaker 1: That's what the NFL is. It's not like it's why

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Speaker 1: when you watch the Lions, Like I mean, Dan Campbell

571
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Speaker 1: is a good leader, but that only goes so far.

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Speaker 1: So I love that, love that DM because I totally agree.

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Speaker 1: Hey John, this is from Emmett. What do you think

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Speaker 1: is the best plan moving forward for the Vikings quarterback situation?

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00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:25,760
Speaker 1: Dobbs clearly isn't franchise level quarterback. True Cousins is coming

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Speaker 1: off in Achilles and during it these contracts over, should

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Speaker 1: they consider drafting a quarterback? Resign Kirk, Thanks love the put,

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Speaker 1: very very tough question. I think you can only resign

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Speaker 1: cousins as if it's a small number, you just can't

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Speaker 1: risk at his age, he's not a great athlete. It's

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Speaker 1: just being over because even if you resigned him to

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Speaker 1: one year, thirty million dollars, which if he's playing like

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Speaker 1: he was just playing, would be a great number. But

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Speaker 1: what if he's a shell of himself, then you're screwed.

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Speaker 1: If you could resign him on like a fifteen million

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Speaker 1: dollar contract, but if he plays like you did that

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Speaker 1: then kicks into like thirty five forty million dollars. I

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Speaker 1: would do something like that, very incentive based touchdowns, games played.

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Speaker 1: And maybe he's rich enough, lights enough that he would

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Speaker 1: do that, but I could not sign him to a

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Speaker 1: lot of guaranteed money. And it's just the injury. It's

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Speaker 1: just basic math. He's over the hill of thirty five.

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Speaker 1: He's gonna be thirty six next year. There's a major injury.

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Speaker 1: He's not a great athlete. Uh So I would say

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Speaker 1: try to do something very outside the box is probably

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Speaker 1: the wrong way to put it, but incentive laced and

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Speaker 1: then try to draft a guy. But your your team,

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Speaker 1: you might make the playoffs. So I think it's gonna

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Speaker 1: be very, very difficult I'm a regular watcher of the show.

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Speaker 1: If you can, I need you to make this a

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Speaker 1: mailbag question where I need this own show because it's important.

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Speaker 1: I'm a Raiders fan that is from Oakland, California. I

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Speaker 1: understand Outsider's view that the city is a mess, but

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Speaker 1: the exact reason there is no home field advantage is

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Speaker 1: because the fan base was and still is in Oakland.

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Speaker 1: My question to you is, even if the organization puts

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Speaker 1: a winner on the field, will things change. I personally

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Speaker 1: don't think there will be will because of how much

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Speaker 1: of a destination Vegas is. But the price you pay

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Speaker 1: when you leave loyal fans behind, well, here's the problem,

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Speaker 1: and this is where they were stuck. I don't think economically,

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Speaker 1: you guys could have survived in Oakland. One Mark didn't

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Speaker 1: have the money to build his own stadium. He needed help,

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Speaker 1: and in Vegas they run a lot more like the mob.

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Speaker 1: They passed the tax to build the stadium in a

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Speaker 1: room of twelve people. There was no like city vote.

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Speaker 1: It just got a bunch of yays and then it passed.

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Speaker 1: Why because the Atolsens who just bought in the Mavericks.

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Speaker 1: That's the way shit works in Vegas that he was

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Speaker 1: never gonna get private funding in the Bay Area. It

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Speaker 1: was never gonna happen, right. The reason and Joe lacub

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Speaker 1: has the Chase Center is he funded in himself. They

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Speaker 1: got it done. It doesn't mean you couldn't have got

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Speaker 1: some subsidies. But what Jed Yorke did was something that

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Speaker 1: was never gonna happen again. And I think they didn't

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Speaker 1: have the money at the time either, But they deal

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Speaker 1: with the city a lot and it's a pain in

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Speaker 1: the ass. So I hear you that the fans are

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Speaker 1: never gonna go at one. Partly, it's just a destination place.

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Speaker 1: Like you said, it's very cool for every other team

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Speaker 1: come in their fan base, but it wasn't plausible and

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Speaker 1: feasible economically for you guys to stay in Oakland. And

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Speaker 1: like I've said before, I was pounding the table partly

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Speaker 1: because the radio station I worked for at the time

635
00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:41,960
Speaker 1: had the Raiders. I didn't want him to leave. But

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Speaker 1: it's the right move. Now. It's not a great move

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Speaker 1: for your stadium in terms of the home field, but

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00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:50,360
Speaker 1: in terms of the money, it gets you the value

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00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:53,360
Speaker 1: of the franchise. Whenever the Davis family sells it's the

640
00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:56,560
Speaker 1: right move for the leak, and I he could. They

641
00:34:56,600 --> 00:34:59,600
Speaker 1: just couldn't have sustained. No one could sustain in Oakland.

642
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:02,280
Speaker 1: That's why the do you know the reason Joe Lacob

643
00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:04,520
Speaker 1: wanted to buy the Warriors to get them the fuck

644
00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:07,960
Speaker 1: out of Oakland to San Francisco. The A's are disaster

645
00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:09,879
Speaker 1: and you'd be like, well, they don't spend any money,

646
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:13,000
Speaker 1: they don't have any fans. I've seen their radio ratings.

647
00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:15,239
Speaker 1: We had the A's as well as the Raiders. When

648
00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:17,600
Speaker 1: they were winning ninety five, one hundred games, no one listened,

649
00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:20,120
Speaker 1: no one cared. When the Giants were winning ninety five games,

650
00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:24,399
Speaker 1: their radio station does like twenty shares. It's like it'd

651
00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:26,560
Speaker 1: be like, it's not the Yankees and the Mets, It's

652
00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:30,000
Speaker 1: like the Yankees and the Pirates or something. I mean,

653
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:33,200
Speaker 1: it's just the forty nine ers suck so much oxygen

654
00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:38,759
Speaker 1: economically in their face. It just it wasn't It was

655
00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:41,319
Speaker 1: he was in a tough spot and he had to

656
00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:45,120
Speaker 1: go and he knew it. He couldn't sustain there. He couldn't.

657
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:49,360
Speaker 1: And I will give him this is he was honest.

658
00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:52,120
Speaker 1: You know. The A's pretended rude in Oakland. You didn't

659
00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:54,520
Speaker 1: give a shit. You didn't. You guys were never gonna stay,

660
00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:57,560
Speaker 1: which again, I don't care about fake slogans and stuff,

661
00:35:57,600 --> 00:36:00,319
Speaker 1: but I'll give Mark Davis this. He was very honest

662
00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:03,919
Speaker 1: for the most part. What's your take on DK being

663
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:07,200
Speaker 1: so easily aggravated and not being able to control his emotions.

664
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Speaker 1: I just think it's maturity. Most of us men at

665
00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:12,920
Speaker 1: certain points in the time of our life, have to

666
00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:16,520
Speaker 1: grow up. I could be a hothead still can I

667
00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:18,680
Speaker 1: had to freak out earlier today because something happened with

668
00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:23,880
Speaker 1: the internet, so I can relate and understand it. The

669
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Speaker 1: older you get, the more you have to work on

670
00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:29,719
Speaker 1: controlling your emotions right, especially as you work your way

671
00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:33,760
Speaker 1: up professionally, as you have a family. In DK spot

672
00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:37,719
Speaker 1: like he's he's depended upon on his team. You gotta

673
00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:39,880
Speaker 1: find a way. It's not like other guys throughout the

674
00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:42,200
Speaker 1: league don't get emotionally worked up. You've got to be

675
00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:45,680
Speaker 1: able to. Part of discipline isn't just like getting up early,

676
00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:48,880
Speaker 1: working out, training, eating the right food. It's being able

677
00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:51,680
Speaker 1: to control yourself internally. And I'd argue not even if

678
00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:53,560
Speaker 1: you play in the NFL, whatever the fuck you do.

679
00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:56,000
Speaker 1: Got to be able to control those emotions, something I

680
00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:59,719
Speaker 1: battle with my entire life, Still battling with it. Think

681
00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:02,880
Speaker 1: about it on a daily basis. Take a d breath,

682
00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:05,879
Speaker 1: control yourself. Don't freak out because the moment you lose

683
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:09,319
Speaker 1: your emotions, it's a bad look. I don't care what

684
00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:12,960
Speaker 1: you're doing, whether it's to a coworker an employee.

685
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:13,520
Speaker 2: Uh.

686
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Speaker 1: It doesn't mean that you're right or wrong like you're

687
00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:19,520
Speaker 1: you know, you're not always wrong about why you're worked up,

688
00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:22,480
Speaker 1: but you got to try to control your emotions. Isn't

689
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:24,960
Speaker 1: as a player. If you can't control your emotions, you're

690
00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:26,799
Speaker 1: useless to your team because you're gona keep getting tossed

691
00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:29,440
Speaker 1: out of games. I mean, let's face it, DK Metcal

692
00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:32,120
Speaker 1: is kind of a disaster right now. Here's part of

693
00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:35,560
Speaker 1: the problem. Pete allows it. Jamal Adams making fun of

694
00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:38,719
Speaker 1: some dude's wife because he said yikes on a tweet

695
00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:42,000
Speaker 1: when he got smoked. Like Jamal, I say this about

696
00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:45,200
Speaker 1: DK at least DK's like one of the all time

697
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:48,719
Speaker 1: great talents. I means, like Terrell Owens, Jamal, you can't

698
00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:51,240
Speaker 1: cover a soul and you're making fun of this guy's wife,

699
00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:54,360
Speaker 1: who really wasn't even that bad, looking like, you're just

700
00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:57,200
Speaker 1: kind of a loser. I don't think DK is necessarily

701
00:37:57,239 --> 00:37:59,360
Speaker 1: a loser at all. I just think he can't control himself.

702
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:02,560
Speaker 1: But Pete like loves that crap, and it works when

703
00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:04,160
Speaker 1: you have a bunch of good players. But if you don't,

704
00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:07,000
Speaker 1: you got problems, and right now they clearly got some problems.

705
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:10,799
Speaker 1: Sad Panthers fan here, would you rather have Bryce Young

706
00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:16,120
Speaker 1: or Zach Wilson? Oh my god, I'll say this. I watched,

707
00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:18,440
Speaker 1: I mean, bits and pieces of the Saints game. He

708
00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:22,560
Speaker 1: looks terrible. He looks really really bad, and he's gonna

709
00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:26,520
Speaker 1: get a full, full on free pass. The organization, the coaches,

710
00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:30,359
Speaker 1: the crazy owner, and rightfully so, you deserve to get

711
00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:33,279
Speaker 1: a pass when you're in that much turmoil. But you

712
00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:37,800
Speaker 1: cannot dispute. If you watch the Panthers play, he looks

713
00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:42,880
Speaker 1: fucking terrible in completions, flying over guy's head, no rhythm,

714
00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:49,799
Speaker 1: no feel. He looks like an awful player, and that

715
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:53,399
Speaker 1: would scare me. Now that's happened before guys turn around.

716
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:56,120
Speaker 1: I mean, Trevor Lawrence looked awful. Though Trevor was much,

717
00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:59,600
Speaker 1: Alex Smith was terrible forever so it's not by any

718
00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:02,920
Speaker 1: means like over, it's not. The book hasn't been written.

719
00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:05,480
Speaker 1: But I do think it's fair to be very, very concerned.

720
00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:10,000
Speaker 1: And Zach Wilson is more physically gifted. He's bigger, he's faster,

721
00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:13,600
Speaker 1: and he's definitely got a stronger arm. But I can't

722
00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:15,880
Speaker 1: trust Zack Wilson. I mean, he has one good half

723
00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:19,880
Speaker 1: that to me is very as a tease. Now, if

724
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:23,040
Speaker 1: he does it again against the Dolphins, okay, we'll start talking.

725
00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:25,360
Speaker 1: Maybe there is something there, maybe he's kind of figured

726
00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:28,959
Speaker 1: it out. But I wouldn't. I would take Bryce because

727
00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:32,360
Speaker 1: there's much more unknown. Like I would say the Jets

728
00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:34,879
Speaker 1: would be better if Bryce was there, Like he would

729
00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:38,640
Speaker 1: look better, would be my assumption could be wrong listening

730
00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:41,680
Speaker 1: to Collins instant reaction. Everything you say is right about

731
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:45,760
Speaker 1: everything in football. God, I mean, I got some smart listeners.

732
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:48,759
Speaker 1: It's time people start respecting Purdy as one of the

733
00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:52,760
Speaker 1: great quarterbacks. Also, big golfer and love live in PGA takes.

734
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Speaker 1: I did a video last week on Ron leaving the

735
00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:01,760
Speaker 1: PGA tour going to live though, texting with some people

736
00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:04,040
Speaker 1: in the know, it does feel inevitable that both these

737
00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:07,080
Speaker 1: two things are gonna come together, so maybe it'll be

738
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Speaker 1: short lived. But what a shit show. And it's funny.

739
00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:14,960
Speaker 1: I had a lot of people after Rom left. They

740
00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:18,160
Speaker 1: started dming me, tweeting at me. Do you think that

741
00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:21,840
Speaker 1: this could ever happen in the NFL? The reason the

742
00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:26,080
Speaker 1: Professional PGA Tour was susceptible to this. They were not

743
00:40:26,120 --> 00:40:30,200
Speaker 1: a well run business. Their leadership was bad, they were

744
00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:32,880
Speaker 1: not making as much money as they potentially could of.

745
00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:37,239
Speaker 1: Or because the way they're run as a five oh

746
00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:40,520
Speaker 1: one c which is a charitable organization that isn't tax

747
00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:43,120
Speaker 1: they can't put their players on salary. It's a very

748
00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:47,359
Speaker 1: complicated formula that was ripe to be surrounded and taken over.

749
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Speaker 1: Hostile takeover, especially when it came to the sadis the

750
00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:55,359
Speaker 1: NFL is one of America's great businesses. They're America's number

751
00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:59,640
Speaker 1: one television show. Everyone in the NFL, coaches, general managers,

752
00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:03,840
Speaker 1: players is getting rich. They hand out live contracts. And

753
00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:06,239
Speaker 1: then I started thinking, you know the sport that is

754
00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:10,600
Speaker 1: right for a lift takeover is the NBA. Their ratings

755
00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:13,080
Speaker 1: are in the tank. He's lost half his viewers. Adam

756
00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:15,920
Speaker 1: Silver since he's taken over, they have a new media

757
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:18,399
Speaker 1: right steal that is up here in a year or two,

758
00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:22,560
Speaker 1: and ESPNTNT some of his partners are bleeding money. They're

759
00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:27,960
Speaker 1: cutting costs. If he wants to do deal with the streamers, well,

760
00:41:28,080 --> 00:41:31,680
Speaker 1: everything's based on views, so it's like, why would we

761
00:41:31,719 --> 00:41:34,239
Speaker 1: give you more money than you got last time when

762
00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:38,000
Speaker 1: your audience has disappeared. That's not the way business works

763
00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:41,520
Speaker 1: to me. The Saudis could throw enough money around, they

764
00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:44,200
Speaker 1: can get involved fast, and the NBA might become very,

765
00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:48,400
Speaker 1: very desperate. Because I've been saying this forever. The NFL's

766
00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:51,960
Speaker 1: media rights deal keeps going up. Why they add more

767
00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:57,200
Speaker 1: people watching? You can't double your media rights deal when

768
00:41:57,200 --> 00:42:00,360
Speaker 1: half your audience disappear. It makes no sense. Do you know?

769
00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:02,920
Speaker 1: One of the worst business deals currently is the one

770
00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:06,600
Speaker 1: ESPN and TNT have with the league. They have paid

771
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:10,040
Speaker 1: an astronomical amount of money for certain numbers that have

772
00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:13,480
Speaker 1: not been delivered. And when I think about the Saudi

773
00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:15,600
Speaker 1: is now part of the reason they got into golf.

774
00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:19,240
Speaker 1: The guy Yasser, who is the Prince's right hand man,

775
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:22,920
Speaker 1: loves the sport. So maybe he doesn't like basketball, but

776
00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:26,200
Speaker 1: if he did and wants to become involved, I would

777
00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:29,560
Speaker 1: be circling them like great white sharks, because it could

778
00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:32,040
Speaker 1: get very ugly, very fast. For Adam Silver, who I

779
00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:33,799
Speaker 1: don't think will be the commissioner in a couple of years,

780
00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:36,799
Speaker 1: a lot like Jay Monahan, who's surely out. And I

781
00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:38,799
Speaker 1: think they would be ripe if you can throw some

782
00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:41,800
Speaker 1: billion dollars around to get involved, and get involved fast

783
00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:44,520
Speaker 1: and kind of bail them out of a situation that

784
00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:47,400
Speaker 1: could get really, really ugly. Said for a while, I

785
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:49,920
Speaker 1: don't think Mark Cuban just sold because he was going

786
00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:54,160
Speaker 1: to run for president. When Mark Cuban made all of

787
00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:57,880
Speaker 1: his money was right before the dot com bubble burst

788
00:42:58,600 --> 00:43:02,160
Speaker 1: in the early two thousands. He timed it perfectly, became

789
00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:06,680
Speaker 1: a billionaire dot com crash. He fucking got out of

790
00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:09,279
Speaker 1: the fire, right. Are we sure he's not doing that now?

791
00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:11,319
Speaker 1: Are we sure he's not doing that? Does he not

792
00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:14,080
Speaker 1: see what's on the horizon? That would be my guess.

793
00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:16,320
Speaker 1: And I'm not some like, well you just an NFL

794
00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:18,400
Speaker 1: boot licker. Well, if they were having the same problems

795
00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:21,040
Speaker 1: as the NBA, I'll promise you this, I would not

796
00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:23,799
Speaker 1: be acting like things are going well. And that I

797
00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:26,799
Speaker 1: also think is a huge problem for the difference in

798
00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:29,960
Speaker 1: the two sports. In the NFL, when things are going well,

799
00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:33,960
Speaker 1: the media treats it like politics. It's just very critical

800
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:37,120
Speaker 1: twenty four to seven, like it's hard to hide. In

801
00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:40,200
Speaker 1: the NBA, it's always just like a fluffest. Even when

802
00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:41,840
Speaker 1: things aren't going well, it's like, guys, we got some

803
00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:45,719
Speaker 1: issues and I don't know, it's kind of crazy. There

804
00:43:45,719 --> 00:43:48,359
Speaker 1: are a lot of different different variables and dynamics. For

805
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:52,040
Speaker 1: that reason, don't quite understand it at all, don't really care.

806
00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:55,320
Speaker 1: But bottom line is the two sports are not covered

807
00:43:55,320 --> 00:43:57,120
Speaker 1: the same, and one sports print and cash and the

808
00:43:57,200 --> 00:44:00,440
Speaker 1: other one's got some issues on the horizon, So keep

809
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:04,200
Speaker 1: an eye on the side. He's getting involved there. Okay,

810
00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:06,960
Speaker 1: before we get out of here, it's time for the

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Speaker 1: Uber eats player. I do coach as well. I thought

812
00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:17,120
Speaker 1: might give almost almost anything to redo their game. Brought

813
00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:19,399
Speaker 1: to you by my friends Uber Eats, and I think

814
00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:22,560
Speaker 1: it has to be Mike McDaniel. Someone sent me last night.

815
00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:27,000
Speaker 1: I'm recording this on Tuesday. The win probability they were

816
00:44:27,080 --> 00:44:30,759
Speaker 1: up twenty seven to thirteen with three minutes left. Their

817
00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:33,680
Speaker 1: win probability was almost like ninety eight ninety nine percent,

818
00:44:33,719 --> 00:44:36,840
Speaker 1: which we can argue win probability, but I would agree

819
00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:40,120
Speaker 1: when it's twenty three, when you're up multiple scores and

820
00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:42,680
Speaker 1: you're playing that team, it felt like one hundred percent.

821
00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:45,000
Speaker 1: At one point in time in the fourth quarter, I

822
00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:47,880
Speaker 1: thought Dolphins were gonna end up winning, like forty to thirteen.

823
00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:51,120
Speaker 1: And I'm watching the end of the veto, I'm taking

824
00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:52,879
Speaker 1: some notes getting ready for the show, and I kind

825
00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:54,960
Speaker 1: of look up and they just scored, and they made

826
00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:57,719
Speaker 1: it twenty seven to twenty one. Obviously they go three

827
00:44:57,719 --> 00:45:00,719
Speaker 1: and out give it back score again. They hit Hopkins

828
00:45:00,719 --> 00:45:03,920
Speaker 1: over the middle. The Dolphins are not going on the

829
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:07,279
Speaker 1: road in winning playoff games having the number one overall seed.

830
00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:09,400
Speaker 1: I've said over and over I was gonna take them seriously,

831
00:45:09,719 --> 00:45:11,959
Speaker 1: Middle Golf, you're a too a hater. If you told

832
00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:14,920
Speaker 1: me they're hosting games at the hard Rock Cafe or

833
00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:17,880
Speaker 1: whatever they call it, hard Rock Stadium, I'd be like,

834
00:45:18,120 --> 00:45:21,840
Speaker 1: I take Miami seriously. With if Hill's healthy, with Waddell

835
00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:25,960
Speaker 1: vic Fangio figuring out on defense, They're not going anywhere

836
00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:28,400
Speaker 1: if they're the three seed, and if you've got to

837
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:30,600
Speaker 1: go to Kansas City, if you've got to go to Baltimore,

838
00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:34,000
Speaker 1: I'm sorry it's just not happening. So that was a

839
00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:38,360
Speaker 1: devastating loss. I mean devastating. I can imagine Mike McDaniel

840
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:42,920
Speaker 1: did not sleep at all on Monday night. That was

841
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:46,920
Speaker 1: this week's almost almost Anything Coach of the Week. And

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00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:51,040
Speaker 1: you can order almost almost anything with Uber Eats, the

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Speaker 1: with Dan Morgan, a partner at Morgan and Morgan. A

845
00:46:05,560 --> 00:46:08,680
Speaker 1: diehard Orlando Magic fan and like many of us that

846
00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:11,760
Speaker 1: grew up in the nineties, Penny Hardaway and Shaquille O'Neil

847
00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:14,360
Speaker 1: stole our hearts and I don't care where you lived,

848
00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:18,399
Speaker 1: you had Orlando Magic swag. So live from Orlando, Dan,

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Speaker 1: what's going on?

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Speaker 3: Man? Oh are you doing? Thanks for having me.

851
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Speaker 1: No problem. I wanted to dive into something. Obviously, you

852
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Speaker 1: guys are doing a big campaign on this show and

853
00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:31,279
Speaker 1: on our network. You know a lot about the legalities

854
00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:33,920
Speaker 1: of life. Most of us just kind of watch television

855
00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:36,240
Speaker 1: shows and think we're you know, could be a lawyer.

856
00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:38,439
Speaker 1: So obviously I don't think I could ever pass the bar.

857
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Speaker 1: So that's that's impressive in itself. But you get it

858
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:48,840
Speaker 1: so obviously from a football standpoint, and you know in

859
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Speaker 1: your neck of the woods. No, you're an SEC guy, right,

860
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Speaker 1: You're a Florida guy.

861
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Speaker 3: I am a I am a Gator.

862
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Speaker 1: You're a Gator. So what was your initial take when

863
00:46:58,200 --> 00:47:00,759
Speaker 1: you saw that Florida State was left? Doubt?

864
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Speaker 2: My initial thing as a Gator fan was this is

865
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Speaker 2: a consolation prize on our terrible season. But if I was,

866
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Speaker 2: if I was a Florida State then I'd be pretty

867
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Speaker 2: upset myself. Obviously, I think that they're obviously probably one

868
00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:17,960
Speaker 2: of the most deserving teams still end to get into

869
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:20,720
Speaker 2: the playoffs. Obviously, the way it's shucked out wasn't great.

870
00:47:21,160 --> 00:47:23,520
Speaker 2: The committee has kind of there there are reasons for

871
00:47:23,640 --> 00:47:26,000
Speaker 2: doing it, But yeah, if I was a Florida State fan,

872
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Speaker 2: I would not be too happy with the state of

873
00:47:28,040 --> 00:47:29,440
Speaker 2: affairs in college football right now.

874
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Speaker 1: And from a legal standpoint, I saw within the last

875
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Speaker 1: couple of days to Santis because they're state school. I'm

876
00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:38,520
Speaker 1: a state school grad, so you get funding. You know,

877
00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:41,840
Speaker 1: you know, he's not happy, and rightfully so, because the

878
00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:45,719
Speaker 1: difference of going to the Orange Bowl or the playoffs

879
00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:49,000
Speaker 1: is worth potentially over ten million dollars. It's something that

880
00:47:49,080 --> 00:47:52,680
Speaker 1: I read now. Listen, I didn't pass the bar, but

881
00:47:53,040 --> 00:47:56,400
Speaker 1: clearly in the language they left it pretty open ended.

882
00:47:56,719 --> 00:47:59,680
Speaker 1: So is it fair to say that legal action representing

883
00:47:59,680 --> 00:48:02,960
Speaker 1: Florida State that their case would be pretty difficult?

884
00:48:05,080 --> 00:48:08,120
Speaker 2: I would say it it'll be a very uphill battle.

885
00:48:08,239 --> 00:48:11,040
Speaker 2: We've had, I would say, I'm not sure. I don't

886
00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:13,600
Speaker 2: want to say thousands, but I definitely we've had hundreds

887
00:48:13,600 --> 00:48:18,279
Speaker 2: of Florida State fans collar law firm petition for us.

888
00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:19,160
Speaker 3: To take on this case.

889
00:48:19,160 --> 00:48:20,880
Speaker 2: We actually did take a hard look at it and

890
00:48:20,920 --> 00:48:23,560
Speaker 2: see if there was a way to go about it,

891
00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:25,840
Speaker 2: or if there was an angle to worth pursuing. It

892
00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:28,600
Speaker 2: wasn't the case that we're personally going to be taken on.

893
00:48:28,680 --> 00:48:31,600
Speaker 2: And obviously our firms and all gainers, we got a

894
00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:34,720
Speaker 2: lot our managing partner of Orlando office, our Tallahassee office,

895
00:48:34,719 --> 00:48:36,879
Speaker 2: they're all noble, so obviously they're you know, they're they're

896
00:48:36,920 --> 00:48:37,960
Speaker 2: definitely trying to kind.

897
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Speaker 3: Of lead the charge as well.

898
00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:40,680
Speaker 2: But when you really look out, like you said, how

899
00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:42,799
Speaker 2: open in it is, they give kind of the criteria

900
00:48:42,920 --> 00:48:45,040
Speaker 2: if a judge was to really look at it from

901
00:48:45,040 --> 00:48:49,600
Speaker 2: a black letter law type of standpoint. The committee did

902
00:48:49,680 --> 00:48:51,120
Speaker 2: do what they said they were gonna do. They took

903
00:48:51,160 --> 00:48:53,560
Speaker 2: in you know, it was that fourth prom that really

904
00:48:53,719 --> 00:48:55,160
Speaker 2: gave them that wiggle room.

905
00:48:55,400 --> 00:48:57,680
Speaker 3: To balance Florida State which said if a coach is

906
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Speaker 3: you know, not.

907
00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:02,360
Speaker 2: With the team or players injured, they would you know,

908
00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:04,360
Speaker 2: that gives grounds to not you know, be included. I

909
00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:06,160
Speaker 2: think that was kind of tipping the hat to maybe

910
00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:09,720
Speaker 2: Harvaro if he wasn't coaching, or if anything else happened,

911
00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:12,360
Speaker 2: they could kind of be able to have more liberty

912
00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:14,440
Speaker 2: to put who they thought the best teams were in.

913
00:49:14,920 --> 00:49:16,600
Speaker 2: And that that's really what they kind of they stand

914
00:49:16,600 --> 00:49:18,040
Speaker 2: by to say, hey, it's the best teams if you

915
00:49:18,080 --> 00:49:20,560
Speaker 2: look at you know again, I'm I'm a Gator.

916
00:49:21,320 --> 00:49:22,919
Speaker 3: I watched the Gator Florida State game.

917
00:49:22,920 --> 00:49:25,000
Speaker 2: We were right up into the fourth quarter, and I

918
00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:26,720
Speaker 2: don't think any team that should be in the playoffs

919
00:49:26,719 --> 00:49:29,279
Speaker 2: should be to the toe of the gate. And saw

920
00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:32,080
Speaker 2: Georgia did to us this year. I think that's kind

921
00:49:32,080 --> 00:49:34,319
Speaker 2: of a team that should be in the playoffs. I'm

922
00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:36,680
Speaker 2: a huge Jordan Travis fan. Actually know his brother Devin

923
00:49:36,719 --> 00:49:39,480
Speaker 2: pretty well as well. Florida State guy. He played with

924
00:49:39,480 --> 00:49:41,719
Speaker 2: the Blue Jay, so I know the family. I know

925
00:49:41,800 --> 00:49:43,480
Speaker 2: Florida State My heart goes out to him, but I

926
00:49:43,560 --> 00:49:47,759
Speaker 2: think unfortunately the committee had had the ability to do

927
00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:50,000
Speaker 2: what they did. I understand, you know, DeSantis and Rick

928
00:49:50,040 --> 00:49:53,720
Speaker 2: Scott their politicians, a lot of their voters are Florida

929
00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:55,400
Speaker 2: State fans, so they're going to say what they have

930
00:49:55,440 --> 00:49:57,479
Speaker 2: to say that keeping their good graces. But I think

931
00:49:58,239 --> 00:50:00,680
Speaker 2: they should focus on some more important issues in football.

932
00:50:01,040 --> 00:50:03,000
Speaker 1: I wonder moving forward as they go to the twelve

933
00:50:03,080 --> 00:50:05,759
Speaker 1: team playoff, which in theory should be easier, but we

934
00:50:05,800 --> 00:50:08,000
Speaker 1: all know you see it with the NCAA tournament, it's

935
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Speaker 1: not going to be if they could add because a big,

936
00:50:10,760 --> 00:50:12,880
Speaker 1: a big argument for Florida State was look at the

937
00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:15,880
Speaker 1: betting lines if they had played Michigan. Hell, if you

938
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Speaker 1: put them against Georgia, if you put them against some

939
00:50:17,719 --> 00:50:19,880
Speaker 1: of the teams that they're a double digit, they're fourteen

940
00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:23,640
Speaker 1: point underdog against Georgia. I wonder if that criteria now

941
00:50:23,640 --> 00:50:27,080
Speaker 1: with gambling, it's not universally legal, right, I think it's

942
00:50:27,080 --> 00:50:29,600
Speaker 1: like thirty seven of the fifty states, But you throw

943
00:50:29,680 --> 00:50:32,160
Speaker 1: that into factor to even make your argument, because that

944
00:50:32,200 --> 00:50:35,080
Speaker 1: was a huge argument for US sports fans. Like one

945
00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:37,799
Speaker 1: guy I used to work with at Fresno State is

946
00:50:37,880 --> 00:50:41,560
Speaker 1: now Norvell's general manager. I followed that program closely, and

947
00:50:41,560 --> 00:50:43,960
Speaker 1: I don't think anyone would argue if Jordan Travis was healthy,

948
00:50:44,280 --> 00:50:45,880
Speaker 1: even if they got in the way they got in.

949
00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:49,120
Speaker 1: It was ugly. They're in, you know, but once you

950
00:50:49,120 --> 00:50:51,879
Speaker 1: you guys knocked out their backup quarterback. So the guy

951
00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:54,759
Speaker 1: we had to watch, which was kind of crazy, slid

952
00:50:54,800 --> 00:50:57,120
Speaker 1: a little late. I thought those guys, two guys that

953
00:50:57,200 --> 00:50:58,720
Speaker 1: hit him, got a raw deal. What are they supposed

954
00:50:58,760 --> 00:51:01,359
Speaker 1: to do? Float? But I wonder if you throw in

955
00:51:01,400 --> 00:51:05,440
Speaker 1: the gambling element to the criteria to even make a

956
00:51:05,440 --> 00:51:08,600
Speaker 1: better argument, to give the committee in the future even

957
00:51:08,680 --> 00:51:09,919
Speaker 1: more wiggle room.

958
00:51:10,480 --> 00:51:13,240
Speaker 3: I mean, I like it. I mean, Florida is one

959
00:51:13,280 --> 00:51:16,120
Speaker 3: of those states. So I'm one of those apps now

960
00:51:16,200 --> 00:51:16,560
Speaker 3: down here.

961
00:51:17,040 --> 00:51:21,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they get it right, you know, I don't

962
00:51:21,120 --> 00:51:23,640
Speaker 2: know how they do it, but it's like every you know,

963
00:51:24,719 --> 00:51:27,000
Speaker 2: it's a half point, the over is always coming down

964
00:51:27,040 --> 00:51:29,160
Speaker 2: to the final drive. It's always you know that you're

965
00:51:29,160 --> 00:51:32,160
Speaker 2: getting beat by two points one point. So whatever those

966
00:51:32,160 --> 00:51:34,200
Speaker 2: systems and they know something. I mean, the real kick

967
00:51:34,239 --> 00:51:36,800
Speaker 2: is going to be if Florida State goes and shops

968
00:51:36,840 --> 00:51:38,799
Speaker 2: the world and you know, beats Georgia, you know, by

969
00:51:38,920 --> 00:51:42,520
Speaker 2: multiple touchdowns or even just wins. Now the commit Now,

970
00:51:43,280 --> 00:51:45,000
Speaker 2: what have we've done? And I don't think that's going

971
00:51:45,040 --> 00:51:48,080
Speaker 2: to happen, especially with players now not playing and all

972
00:51:48,080 --> 00:51:50,200
Speaker 2: that type of things that are going on. But no,

973
00:51:50,280 --> 00:51:52,399
Speaker 2: I definitely think, you know, that's kind of what back

974
00:51:52,400 --> 00:51:54,680
Speaker 2: in the day, the BCS, you know, took all the

975
00:51:54,719 --> 00:51:56,160
Speaker 2: rankings as a computer module.

976
00:51:56,160 --> 00:51:58,400
Speaker 3: It took everything they knew it spit it into a system.

977
00:51:58,400 --> 00:51:59,200
Speaker 3: Is that these are the.

978
00:51:59,160 --> 00:52:02,239
Speaker 2: Flour I actually saw something this year though, I said,

979
00:52:02,239 --> 00:52:04,960
Speaker 2: if they used the DCS that I think, like Florida

980
00:52:05,000 --> 00:52:09,000
Speaker 2: State that fourth things. So you know, they obviously got

981
00:52:09,040 --> 00:52:10,239
Speaker 2: kind of a roll deal this year.

982
00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:12,840
Speaker 1: I wanted to talk a little bit about your background

983
00:52:12,880 --> 00:52:16,200
Speaker 1: because it's pretty fascinating. You had the opportunity to intern

984
00:52:16,520 --> 00:52:19,640
Speaker 1: for Mark Cuban as well as one of the most

985
00:52:19,680 --> 00:52:23,160
Speaker 1: famous agents in all of sports, Dan Fagan, Rest and Peace,

986
00:52:24,280 --> 00:52:26,680
Speaker 1: and I get asked a lot of questions, as I'm

987
00:52:26,719 --> 00:52:28,960
Speaker 1: sure you do way more than even me, you know,

988
00:52:29,040 --> 00:52:32,080
Speaker 1: advice and what to do in your life, and I

989
00:52:32,080 --> 00:52:34,400
Speaker 1: always just go back to I had the opportunity to

990
00:52:34,440 --> 00:52:36,879
Speaker 1: work for Andy Reid, and things that you see when

991
00:52:36,920 --> 00:52:39,880
Speaker 1: you work for someone that you take away for yourself

992
00:52:40,120 --> 00:52:43,040
Speaker 1: and you use moving forward. So with those two guys,

993
00:52:43,040 --> 00:52:46,040
Speaker 1: I'll start with Mark. When you work for him, is

994
00:52:46,080 --> 00:52:48,640
Speaker 1: there one specific thing that you think about more than

995
00:52:48,680 --> 00:52:51,279
Speaker 1: everything else when you think about that experience and that

996
00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:54,600
Speaker 1: you put toward now, you know, running your guys company

997
00:52:54,640 --> 00:52:56,920
Speaker 1: and just how you operate in business.

998
00:52:57,640 --> 00:53:00,200
Speaker 2: What Mark was extremely good at was kind of us

999
00:53:00,200 --> 00:53:03,080
Speaker 2: seeing his top level commanders, you know, no matter what

1000
00:53:03,160 --> 00:53:05,279
Speaker 2: that business. So when when I first got involved, actually

1001
00:53:05,320 --> 00:53:08,240
Speaker 2: met him at a political fundraiser, he was guest bartender

1002
00:53:08,239 --> 00:53:10,680
Speaker 2: and I just kind of walked up cold caught. You know, Hey,

1003
00:53:10,719 --> 00:53:12,920
Speaker 2: I'm Dan Morgan. I'm a huge fan of you or

1004
00:53:13,160 --> 00:53:15,439
Speaker 2: you know, I want to own a sports team one day.

1005
00:53:15,560 --> 00:53:16,960
Speaker 2: You know, you're you're You're an inspiration.

1006
00:53:17,080 --> 00:53:17,239
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1007
00:53:17,360 --> 00:53:19,960
Speaker 3: Yeah. His first reactions like, what the hell are you

1008
00:53:20,040 --> 00:53:20,359
Speaker 3: doing here?

1009
00:53:20,400 --> 00:53:22,400
Speaker 2: You're an eighteen year old kid at an old an

1010
00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:25,359
Speaker 2: old man political party. He kept talking and he was like, Hey,

1011
00:53:25,760 --> 00:53:28,279
Speaker 2: who's in Orlando for the All Star weekend? He's I

1012
00:53:28,320 --> 00:53:30,200
Speaker 2: hate to be that guy, but you got plans tonight.

1013
00:53:30,239 --> 00:53:31,920
Speaker 2: I'm trying to, you know, go out in town. And

1014
00:53:31,960 --> 00:53:35,839
Speaker 2: I said, is Marcus Jordan? Michael Jordan's son's birthday, who

1015
00:53:35,880 --> 00:53:37,759
Speaker 2: was playing at uc ave on Buddies with him again,

1016
00:53:37,800 --> 00:53:40,399
Speaker 2: I'm going to Michael Jordan's Sun's birthday, he said, I'm

1017
00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:43,520
Speaker 2: coming with and I said, well, that night when we're

1018
00:53:43,520 --> 00:53:47,040
Speaker 2: out asked for an for an internship. He's like the

1019
00:53:47,040 --> 00:53:49,480
Speaker 2: fact that you took the initiative and you came up

1020
00:53:49,520 --> 00:53:51,719
Speaker 2: to me and you're a self starter, self driver. Those

1021
00:53:51,719 --> 00:53:53,920
Speaker 2: are the things that I'm always looking for people to

1022
00:53:53,920 --> 00:53:56,600
Speaker 2: surround myself, and if you find self starters, to keep

1023
00:53:56,640 --> 00:53:59,040
Speaker 2: them close and to enable them and give them power.

1024
00:54:00,040 --> 00:54:01,319
Speaker 2: So that's what I always try to do, you know,

1025
00:54:01,360 --> 00:54:04,400
Speaker 2: even into what we do, whether it be managing an

1026
00:54:04,440 --> 00:54:08,200
Speaker 2: office or an attorney that manages case inventories or a

1027
00:54:08,239 --> 00:54:11,320
Speaker 2: person that manages attorneys or marketing people. And surely to

1028
00:54:11,400 --> 00:54:13,919
Speaker 2: find those people who are self started, self self free line,

1029
00:54:13,920 --> 00:54:15,799
Speaker 2: they kind of know the task at hands. You can

1030
00:54:16,520 --> 00:54:18,879
Speaker 2: my dad calls them, send deleite people, you can sit

1031
00:54:18,960 --> 00:54:21,040
Speaker 2: send them an email and then delete it on your

1032
00:54:21,120 --> 00:54:23,680
Speaker 2: end because you know it's being handled and you don't

1033
00:54:23,680 --> 00:54:25,799
Speaker 2: have to worry about it and post to having to

1034
00:54:25,840 --> 00:54:26,399
Speaker 2: follow up.

1035
00:54:26,440 --> 00:54:28,960
Speaker 3: Hey, I know I sent you this to do yesterday.

1036
00:54:29,080 --> 00:54:30,120
Speaker 3: Just making sure it's done.

1037
00:54:30,239 --> 00:54:32,799
Speaker 2: Oh, no, so I haven't got to yell hop out

1038
00:54:32,840 --> 00:54:35,560
Speaker 2: of now, you know, avoiding those people and just finding

1039
00:54:35,560 --> 00:54:37,560
Speaker 2: those people that you know you can sit send them

1040
00:54:37,560 --> 00:54:40,799
Speaker 2: a task and have it handle. Mark literally had those

1041
00:54:40,960 --> 00:54:42,439
Speaker 2: those by the dozens surrounding him.

1042
00:54:42,719 --> 00:54:45,319
Speaker 1: How much time when you feel like this guy might

1043
00:54:45,320 --> 00:54:48,120
Speaker 1: not be or girl a sending to elete person do

1044
00:54:48,160 --> 00:54:50,239
Speaker 1: you spend on trying to help them out before you

1045
00:54:50,320 --> 00:54:51,959
Speaker 1: just realize it might not be a good fit. Because

1046
00:54:51,960 --> 00:54:54,000
Speaker 1: that's always kind of a tough balance, is.

1047
00:54:54,920 --> 00:54:57,279
Speaker 2: For sure for me too, especially kind of you know,

1048
00:54:57,400 --> 00:54:59,759
Speaker 2: being one of the family members name name on the

1049
00:54:59,800 --> 00:55:01,480
Speaker 2: comp But I always try to give the benefit of

1050
00:55:01,480 --> 00:55:03,920
Speaker 2: the doubt and really try to you know, it's not

1051
00:55:03,960 --> 00:55:05,719
Speaker 2: like a strike one, you're out strike two year. I

1052
00:55:05,719 --> 00:55:07,239
Speaker 2: really try to talk to them and say, well, we're

1053
00:55:07,280 --> 00:55:09,960
Speaker 2: looking for Sometimes too, it is just finding the right

1054
00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:11,520
Speaker 2: fit for them. You know, they might not be in

1055
00:55:11,560 --> 00:55:13,880
Speaker 2: the right role, in the right position. You kind of

1056
00:55:14,200 --> 00:55:16,040
Speaker 2: can see what their skill sets are. You know, they

1057
00:55:16,120 --> 00:55:17,920
Speaker 2: might not be front face and whether it be talking

1058
00:55:17,920 --> 00:55:19,920
Speaker 2: to a client. They might be more of a behind

1059
00:55:19,920 --> 00:55:21,920
Speaker 2: the scenes person getting like a great writer or a

1060
00:55:22,000 --> 00:55:24,320
Speaker 2: great researcher. You kind of have to manew room and

1061
00:55:24,840 --> 00:55:28,120
Speaker 2: find them in their role and just seeing why aren't you,

1062
00:55:28,120 --> 00:55:29,759
Speaker 2: you know, what what is to hold up here? And

1063
00:55:29,800 --> 00:55:31,520
Speaker 2: sometimes you get people that are honest like, hey, this

1064
00:55:31,600 --> 00:55:34,040
Speaker 2: is just a high stress job, or you know, I'm

1065
00:55:34,040 --> 00:55:36,440
Speaker 2: not going to be able to handle the load that

1066
00:55:36,480 --> 00:55:37,400
Speaker 2: you're putting in front.

1067
00:55:37,239 --> 00:55:39,160
Speaker 3: Of me, and you may kind of come to a

1068
00:55:39,239 --> 00:55:40,799
Speaker 3: mutual decision to part ways.

1069
00:55:40,840 --> 00:55:43,000
Speaker 2: You know, I've been lucky and you know what I've

1070
00:55:43,000 --> 00:55:45,759
Speaker 2: been doing running our referrals in our marketing, but I

1071
00:55:45,800 --> 00:55:49,040
Speaker 2: think I've only had to let go three or four

1072
00:55:49,040 --> 00:55:51,520
Speaker 2: people that have been higher or higher up. But I

1073
00:55:51,560 --> 00:55:53,719
Speaker 2: also hire people that I know from the start. So

1074
00:55:54,080 --> 00:55:56,960
Speaker 2: you know, the guy that runs our partnerships with us

1075
00:55:56,960 --> 00:55:59,279
Speaker 2: that's done a lot of stuff with like UFC and

1076
00:55:59,320 --> 00:56:02,480
Speaker 2: sports team, he's a NASCAR I've known hn since high school.

1077
00:56:02,480 --> 00:56:03,960
Speaker 3: So once I was kind of building my team, I

1078
00:56:03,960 --> 00:56:04,680
Speaker 3: went out and got him.

1079
00:56:04,719 --> 00:56:07,920
Speaker 2: Now I have a guy that's helping me actually with

1080
00:56:07,960 --> 00:56:10,239
Speaker 2: the activation side. I met him in college and he

1081
00:56:10,280 --> 00:56:12,520
Speaker 2: did stuff with like music festivals.

1082
00:56:12,000 --> 00:56:13,640
Speaker 3: And Rolling Loud and those so I knew, so I

1083
00:56:13,680 --> 00:56:14,560
Speaker 3: went and just plucked him.

1084
00:56:14,560 --> 00:56:17,080
Speaker 2: So it's really recruiting all stars that you know are

1085
00:56:17,120 --> 00:56:19,880
Speaker 2: gonna be all stars working with people that you admire

1086
00:56:19,880 --> 00:56:21,719
Speaker 2: and you respecting and you want to hang out with.

1087
00:56:22,600 --> 00:56:25,040
Speaker 2: That way just makes a job obviously more fun. But

1088
00:56:25,200 --> 00:56:27,640
Speaker 2: then you know you're but you're actually gonna put a

1089
00:56:27,640 --> 00:56:28,640
Speaker 2: better product out as well.

1090
00:56:29,239 --> 00:56:32,400
Speaker 1: How about something you took away from from Dan Fagan.

1091
00:56:33,560 --> 00:56:35,799
Speaker 3: Dan is the master negotiator.

1092
00:56:35,880 --> 00:56:38,920
Speaker 2: I mean when it comes to using leverage and getting

1093
00:56:38,920 --> 00:56:42,160
Speaker 2: your deal done, he is to go. You know, his

1094
00:56:42,320 --> 00:56:45,040
Speaker 2: number is his number, and he's gonna pay it. When

1095
00:56:45,080 --> 00:56:47,760
Speaker 2: I started working for Mark, I was on the shark

1096
00:56:47,800 --> 00:56:49,759
Speaker 2: tank side of deal So when deals come in, you

1097
00:56:49,840 --> 00:56:51,480
Speaker 2: kind of see are they real numbers?

1098
00:56:51,560 --> 00:56:53,800
Speaker 3: Is this real prodak YadA YadA? Before a deal actually

1099
00:56:53,800 --> 00:56:54,360
Speaker 3: gets inked.

1100
00:56:54,400 --> 00:56:56,120
Speaker 2: So you know a lot of those deals actually don't

1101
00:56:56,160 --> 00:56:58,799
Speaker 2: come to fruition because of legalities that happened in the

1102
00:56:58,800 --> 00:57:00,759
Speaker 2: back end. So I was kind of doing at But

1103
00:57:00,800 --> 00:57:02,480
Speaker 2: then Mark found out I was buddies with a bunch

1104
00:57:02,480 --> 00:57:05,200
Speaker 2: of basketball players, and you know, we started hanging out

1105
00:57:05,200 --> 00:57:07,480
Speaker 2: more off court off stuff too, and I ended up

1106
00:57:07,480 --> 00:57:11,080
Speaker 2: getting chan helping Chamla Parsons land in Dallas.

1107
00:57:11,360 --> 00:57:13,360
Speaker 3: And then after that all went down, Dan.

1108
00:57:13,239 --> 00:57:15,680
Speaker 2: Fagan told me, hey, next summer, you're not working for market,

1109
00:57:15,680 --> 00:57:16,440
Speaker 2: coming to work for me?

1110
00:57:17,280 --> 00:57:18,800
Speaker 3: So I would and work over.

1111
00:57:18,680 --> 00:57:21,560
Speaker 2: Him, but yeah, Dan would pretty much this is my number,

1112
00:57:21,600 --> 00:57:23,720
Speaker 2: this is what's happening, and if you don't give me this, not.

1113
00:57:23,680 --> 00:57:25,040
Speaker 3: Only is he not coming here.

1114
00:57:24,920 --> 00:57:27,840
Speaker 2: But these are three players that I represent most likely

1115
00:57:27,880 --> 00:57:31,120
Speaker 2: will never play on your or organization. I'm not sure

1116
00:57:31,160 --> 00:57:32,880
Speaker 2: if the legalities and all that. Back then I was

1117
00:57:32,880 --> 00:57:34,720
Speaker 2: just an intern. I am a licensed agent.

1118
00:57:34,800 --> 00:57:35,640
Speaker 3: Now I kind of dabble it.

1119
00:57:35,720 --> 00:57:38,720
Speaker 2: I'm I don't do it, you know, full time, But

1120
00:57:39,440 --> 00:57:41,040
Speaker 2: I'm not sure if that's really the right way to

1121
00:57:41,040 --> 00:57:42,440
Speaker 2: go about it. But I know that he was a

1122
00:57:42,440 --> 00:57:44,200
Speaker 2: man with the mission that he would figure out the

1123
00:57:44,200 --> 00:57:46,320
Speaker 2: best way to do write by his players. And if

1124
00:57:46,320 --> 00:57:48,400
Speaker 2: you were his player, he was a going to get

1125
00:57:48,480 --> 00:57:50,360
Speaker 2: you the best deal, you know. That's what Even my

1126
00:57:50,400 --> 00:57:52,800
Speaker 2: buddies that had him, they wouldn't even think about going

1127
00:57:52,840 --> 00:57:54,520
Speaker 2: to another agent because he was gooding it in the

1128
00:57:54,560 --> 00:57:55,720
Speaker 2: best deal on the table.

1129
00:57:55,720 --> 00:57:57,000
Speaker 3: And that's what, you know, we kind of strive it

1130
00:57:57,120 --> 00:57:58,040
Speaker 3: more and more than if you.

1131
00:57:58,040 --> 00:58:00,200
Speaker 2: Hire us, you know you're gonna get the best settlements,

1132
00:58:00,280 --> 00:58:02,840
Speaker 2: earth best result because you hired us. So that's kind

1133
00:58:02,840 --> 00:58:05,600
Speaker 2: of a Fagan what I brought from Fagan and as

1134
00:58:05,600 --> 00:58:08,200
Speaker 2: many agencies as he's bought and sold and have fun.

1135
00:58:08,240 --> 00:58:09,080
Speaker 3: They're doing well.

1136
00:58:09,280 --> 00:58:11,640
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people listening, whether it's negotiating

1137
00:58:11,680 --> 00:58:14,720
Speaker 1: for their company, whether you're doing for a client, whether

1138
00:58:14,760 --> 00:58:18,320
Speaker 1: it's Stan Fagan for a player. You know, money's all relative, right,

1139
00:58:18,360 --> 00:58:20,160
Speaker 1: so if it's one hundred grand or a hundred million,

1140
00:58:20,360 --> 00:58:23,720
Speaker 1: it means a lot to that individual person. And listen,

1141
00:58:23,720 --> 00:58:27,000
Speaker 1: I've negotiated deals. There's a balance of like having balls

1142
00:58:27,040 --> 00:58:30,840
Speaker 1: and having stones, but also kind of understanding the market.

1143
00:58:31,120 --> 00:58:33,200
Speaker 1: Is that a balance I'm sure you've learned through a

1144
00:58:33,240 --> 00:58:36,280
Speaker 1: million cases of like there's a time to be aggressive

1145
00:58:36,280 --> 00:58:38,720
Speaker 1: in a time not and sometimes it's just do you

1146
00:58:38,800 --> 00:58:41,480
Speaker 1: just you get a gut instinct of being around something

1147
00:58:41,480 --> 00:58:43,560
Speaker 1: long enough when you know to kind of put the

1148
00:58:43,560 --> 00:58:45,560
Speaker 1: pedal to the metal and go all in, and also

1149
00:58:45,600 --> 00:58:48,040
Speaker 1: when to like almost tip your hat and take a

1150
00:58:48,040 --> 00:58:50,160
Speaker 1: step back and like this is actually a pretty good deal.

1151
00:58:50,160 --> 00:58:52,320
Speaker 1: Because it's easy for ego to get involved, right.

1152
00:58:52,800 --> 00:58:55,160
Speaker 3: Oh exactly, especially when you're dealing with.

1153
00:58:56,960 --> 00:58:59,480
Speaker 2: NBA players, you know, who all think they're just as

1154
00:58:59,480 --> 00:59:00,640
Speaker 2: good as James.

1155
00:59:00,680 --> 00:59:02,959
Speaker 3: And sure you get pays as as as such.

1156
00:59:03,960 --> 00:59:05,800
Speaker 2: So but Dan was good kind of telling you, hey,

1157
00:59:05,800 --> 00:59:07,760
Speaker 2: it's not going to get better than this. If I

1158
00:59:08,000 --> 00:59:09,600
Speaker 2: remember one time there was a play. It was when

1159
00:59:09,640 --> 00:59:12,240
Speaker 2: I was interning. There a player there was an offering.

1160
00:59:12,560 --> 00:59:14,320
Speaker 2: Dealers like take this deal. It's a deem your way.

1161
00:59:14,360 --> 00:59:16,040
Speaker 3: You're gonna get a better deal than players like no,

1162
00:59:16,200 --> 00:59:17,160
Speaker 3: I want to be a free agent.

1163
00:59:17,240 --> 00:59:18,800
Speaker 2: I want to go play with I get the player

1164
00:59:18,800 --> 00:59:21,280
Speaker 2: at the time, he's my boy, bringing a deal and

1165
00:59:21,360 --> 00:59:22,880
Speaker 2: Dan's like, all right, if that's what you want to do,

1166
00:59:23,000 --> 00:59:26,080
Speaker 2: you need to sign this document. What's this document? He's like,

1167
00:59:26,080 --> 00:59:28,520
Speaker 2: this is so you don't sue me. Once these deals

1168
00:59:28,520 --> 00:59:31,200
Speaker 2: don't come to fruition. You can't come back and say, Dan,

1169
00:59:31,320 --> 00:59:31,920
Speaker 2: mess this up.

1170
00:59:32,000 --> 00:59:32,760
Speaker 3: He's like, what do you mean.

1171
00:59:32,800 --> 00:59:34,400
Speaker 2: He's like, I don't think you're gonna get a better

1172
00:59:34,480 --> 00:59:36,440
Speaker 2: deal like this if you hit the free agent market.

1173
00:59:36,920 --> 00:59:38,840
Speaker 3: This team's going to go spend this money on this

1174
00:59:38,880 --> 00:59:39,400
Speaker 3: guy if.

1175
00:59:39,280 --> 00:59:42,720
Speaker 2: You burn them right now. And the player went the

1176
00:59:42,760 --> 00:59:45,080
Speaker 2: free agent market, the team went and got another player,

1177
00:59:45,080 --> 00:59:46,720
Speaker 2: and he ended up getting a deal for like eight

1178
00:59:46,760 --> 00:59:47,680
Speaker 2: million less.

1179
00:59:47,400 --> 00:59:50,800
Speaker 3: Over four years, and he won. So, I mean, he.

1180
00:59:50,800 --> 00:59:53,480
Speaker 2: Definitely kind of crossed his Teason and Dota odd to

1181
00:59:53,520 --> 00:59:55,439
Speaker 2: do what he was saying. But you know, it helps

1182
00:59:55,520 --> 00:59:57,560
Speaker 2: to negotiate, you know, when you were a Danny had

1183
00:59:57,600 --> 01:00:01,360
Speaker 2: so many ass yet John Wallen, Howard, marcustdham I had

1184
01:00:01,400 --> 01:00:04,160
Speaker 2: all these names. When you're kind of a solo agent,

1185
01:00:04,440 --> 01:00:06,960
Speaker 2: you kind of kind of a rapid mercy of the

1186
01:00:06,960 --> 01:00:08,280
Speaker 2: teams a lot of times.

1187
01:00:08,800 --> 01:00:10,280
Speaker 1: I don't know if you had a chance to see,

1188
01:00:10,360 --> 01:00:13,360
Speaker 1: but the you know, the Otani deal is kind of

1189
01:00:13,360 --> 01:00:15,640
Speaker 1: making the rounds. You know, seven hundred million, but he

1190
01:00:15,720 --> 01:00:18,760
Speaker 1: only took two million a year for ten years and

1191
01:00:18,880 --> 01:00:22,920
Speaker 1: he got six hundred deferred. And to me right, Bobby

1192
01:00:22,960 --> 01:00:26,840
Speaker 1: Beniaz deals pretty legendary, but time value money would say

1193
01:00:26,880 --> 01:00:28,840
Speaker 1: he would have been better off taking that money up

1194
01:00:28,840 --> 01:00:32,160
Speaker 1: front investing it in. This one's kind of fascinating because

1195
01:00:32,160 --> 01:00:35,360
Speaker 1: California taxes, I read next year's they're going to fourteen

1196
01:00:35,400 --> 01:00:38,840
Speaker 1: point four, So he's gonna he's gonna save potentially one

1197
01:00:38,920 --> 01:00:42,240
Speaker 1: hundred million dollars if he moves to Florida or Vegas

1198
01:00:42,360 --> 01:00:45,720
Speaker 1: or whatever. But what you know, time value money, he's

1199
01:00:45,920 --> 01:00:49,680
Speaker 1: potentially losing some What were your initial thoughts when he

1200
01:00:49,680 --> 01:00:51,720
Speaker 1: saw that, because it's it's kind of a first of

1201
01:00:51,800 --> 01:00:54,680
Speaker 1: its kind at the level and number in which is

1202
01:00:54,680 --> 01:00:55,800
Speaker 1: being thrown out right.

1203
01:00:56,680 --> 01:00:57,760
Speaker 3: I loved it personally.

1204
01:00:58,680 --> 01:01:01,200
Speaker 2: I'm all about kind of because I mean, you see

1205
01:01:01,280 --> 01:01:03,360
Speaker 2: some and I've been around the agency world and I

1206
01:01:03,360 --> 01:01:04,920
Speaker 2: have buddies that have gone through it too. But you

1207
01:01:04,920 --> 01:01:06,480
Speaker 2: see the guys that get the money and they spend

1208
01:01:06,520 --> 01:01:08,640
Speaker 2: the money. Now you're gonna spend seven hundred million dollars,

1209
01:01:09,640 --> 01:01:12,120
Speaker 2: I'd hope not. But yeah, when I saw it the

1210
01:01:12,120 --> 01:01:14,320
Speaker 2: deal first came out, I saw MEMEO was going around

1211
01:01:14,360 --> 01:01:20,840
Speaker 2: that said congratulations to the irs for ten years dollar contracting.

1212
01:01:20,920 --> 01:01:22,760
Speaker 2: Shot of those guys putting in the hard work and

1213
01:01:22,800 --> 01:01:26,440
Speaker 2: getting it done. You know, this is historic. Congrats, but

1214
01:01:26,480 --> 01:01:28,400
Speaker 2: that's really what you know, I think that's what it is.

1215
01:01:28,400 --> 01:01:31,240
Speaker 2: He just looked at it like I can live it's

1216
01:01:31,280 --> 01:01:33,320
Speaker 2: not he's talking just getting two million, you know, and

1217
01:01:33,320 --> 01:01:36,040
Speaker 2: he got his new Balance deals. He's gonna be probably

1218
01:01:36,120 --> 01:01:40,320
Speaker 2: on every you know, serial box and shoe box and

1219
01:01:40,440 --> 01:01:43,360
Speaker 2: sports store all over Asia, in California and New York

1220
01:01:43,400 --> 01:01:45,960
Speaker 2: and Boston and everywhere else in America. So he's gonna

1221
01:01:45,960 --> 01:01:48,200
Speaker 2: be probably still making you know, just as much money

1222
01:01:48,320 --> 01:01:51,080
Speaker 2: on it. But now he's he's protecting himself against the taxes.

1223
01:01:51,160 --> 01:01:53,240
Speaker 2: Like you said, he'll probably get it get paid in

1224
01:01:53,320 --> 01:01:55,600
Speaker 2: the state like Florida or Texas, or somewhere where the

1225
01:01:55,640 --> 01:01:58,640
Speaker 2: tax levels are not going to crush them and he's

1226
01:01:58,640 --> 01:02:01,480
Speaker 2: gonna still be living like king and the next while

1227
01:02:01,480 --> 01:02:03,240
Speaker 2: he's playing for it for the Dodgers. I'm sure that

1228
01:02:03,280 --> 01:02:05,840
Speaker 2: if he goes to a restaurant, no one's going to

1229
01:02:05,920 --> 01:02:07,560
Speaker 2: be you know, who's got the build type of deal.

1230
01:02:09,000 --> 01:02:11,240
Speaker 2: You make sure to put his card down. But no,

1231
01:02:11,320 --> 01:02:12,880
Speaker 2: I think it's it's I think a lot of I

1232
01:02:12,920 --> 01:02:15,640
Speaker 2: mean to that extent. Obviously, you know, he's got a

1233
01:02:15,640 --> 01:02:17,600
Speaker 2: lot of money off field coming so.

1234
01:02:17,560 --> 01:02:18,960
Speaker 3: He can do it. But I think it should be

1235
01:02:19,000 --> 01:02:22,000
Speaker 3: a you know that hopefully this will be someone be of.

1236
01:02:21,960 --> 01:02:24,360
Speaker 2: A new trend or you know, or put it into

1237
01:02:24,480 --> 01:02:26,440
Speaker 2: a safe vehicle, whether it be an annuity or a

1238
01:02:26,560 --> 01:02:29,520
Speaker 2: deferment or somewhere where you're kind of safeguard in these kids'

1239
01:02:29,560 --> 01:02:32,480
Speaker 2: future because one bad investment deal or I don't want

1240
01:02:32,520 --> 01:02:34,560
Speaker 2: to name names, but we all know the people out

1241
01:02:34,560 --> 01:02:37,720
Speaker 2: there that are hunts and millions and now they're paycheck

1242
01:02:37,760 --> 01:02:38,240
Speaker 2: to paycheck.

1243
01:02:38,240 --> 01:02:38,880
Speaker 3: And on cameo.

1244
01:02:41,680 --> 01:02:43,880
Speaker 1: When you were working for Dan Fagan, how often did

1245
01:02:43,960 --> 01:02:46,680
Speaker 1: taxes come up when he was talking to his client,

1246
01:02:46,840 --> 01:02:51,040
Speaker 1: his client to him negotiating with the team. Just how

1247
01:02:51,080 --> 01:02:52,280
Speaker 1: often was that an issue.

1248
01:02:52,920 --> 01:02:56,440
Speaker 2: I remember him actually explaining to Dwight why Houston was

1249
01:02:56,480 --> 01:02:58,560
Speaker 2: better than LA, and Dwight just not like, no, you

1250
01:02:58,600 --> 01:03:02,480
Speaker 2: don't understand lifestyle, life, lifestyle, And Dan's like, no, you know,

1251
01:03:03,200 --> 01:03:05,000
Speaker 2: this is real money you're gonna do. This is what

1252
01:03:05,480 --> 01:03:06,800
Speaker 2: playing in Houston makes you.

1253
01:03:06,840 --> 01:03:09,640
Speaker 3: This is a plane in LA makes you. But some

1254
01:03:09,840 --> 01:03:10,880
Speaker 3: but you get players like.

1255
01:03:10,920 --> 01:03:13,560
Speaker 2: You know, like Dwyan, who I would consider an Aquayans

1256
01:03:13,560 --> 01:03:14,000
Speaker 2: and a friend.

1257
01:03:14,040 --> 01:03:15,800
Speaker 3: But you know, he likes to have a good time

1258
01:03:15,840 --> 01:03:16,960
Speaker 3: and he wants to be where he wants to.

1259
01:03:16,880 --> 01:03:18,320
Speaker 2: Be, and he wanted to be around Hollywood, and that

1260
01:03:18,480 --> 01:03:21,720
Speaker 2: was sometimes that is worth the trade off. You know,

1261
01:03:21,800 --> 01:03:23,280
Speaker 2: do you want to live in Oklahoma City or do

1262
01:03:23,320 --> 01:03:24,480
Speaker 2: you want to live in New York City?

1263
01:03:24,800 --> 01:03:27,520
Speaker 3: And KD you know, he had a lot more fun.

1264
01:03:27,400 --> 01:03:29,520
Speaker 2: Probably in Brooklyn than he did an okayc And now

1265
01:03:29,560 --> 01:03:31,959
Speaker 2: he's team first in Phoenix, which is a good mix

1266
01:03:32,000 --> 01:03:36,000
Speaker 2: of the two probably, But I think a lot of it,

1267
01:03:36,200 --> 01:03:38,840
Speaker 2: I mean, and then when you get into the NBA

1268
01:03:38,920 --> 01:03:41,240
Speaker 2: and the baseball of it, because they do get taxed

1269
01:03:41,280 --> 01:03:43,640
Speaker 2: by state too, so but you know, half your home

1270
01:03:43,680 --> 01:03:46,040
Speaker 2: game that's a lot of money. So you know, Paula

1271
01:03:46,080 --> 01:03:49,280
Speaker 2: bencro if he stays in Orlando, no knock on wood,

1272
01:03:49,840 --> 01:03:51,640
Speaker 2: they max him out, He's gonna make a whole lot

1273
01:03:51,640 --> 01:03:54,320
Speaker 2: more money than if he goes and plays for the Clippers,

1274
01:03:54,880 --> 01:03:57,120
Speaker 2: because half his games will be in Orlando posted half

1275
01:03:57,120 --> 01:04:01,400
Speaker 2: of being in LA. But no, I think on as

1276
01:04:01,400 --> 01:04:03,440
Speaker 2: the money gets bigger, it's more a factor.

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Speaker 3: But if you're making you know those because that's when.

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Speaker 2: We realize, wow, that could be two million bucks in

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Speaker 2: taxes opposed to so that's only you know, two hundred

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Speaker 2: thousand taxes. Yeah, it might be worth two hundred thousand

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Speaker 2: a year to live in seventy two degree weather and

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Speaker 2: have it rain five days a year for sure.

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Speaker 1: And I want to get you out of here on this. Obviously,

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Speaker 1: you guys are doing a big activation this year. I

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Speaker 1: see you guys everywhere. Just tell us a little bit

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Speaker 1: for the people dot com slash John, what you guys

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Speaker 1: are doing, what you guys stand for, and everything about

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Speaker 1: Morgan and Morgan.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, we're you know, we're a planet first law firm.

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Speaker 3: Our slogan is for the people. That's kind of what

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Speaker 3: we do day and day out.

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Speaker 2: We would kind of represent the little guy, whether it

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Speaker 2: be against insurance companies, or pharmaceutical companies, our medical malpractice.

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Speaker 3: We're an injury law firm.

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Speaker 2: Where the largest injury law firm in America as of

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Speaker 2: I believe this year we'll be able to one thousand lawyers,

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Speaker 2: over five thousand support staff, all fifty states.

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Speaker 3: We're over on two hundred dockets.

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Speaker 2: A week, you know, in courtrooms getting verdicts were over

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Speaker 2: this year. Old passed a twenty billion mark on SEMN

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Speaker 2: money recover via verdict or settlement or any types of litigation.

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Speaker 3: So we're definitely to grow mode. A lot of people

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Speaker 3: know us.

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Speaker 2: You know, we're down in Florida, southeast Northeast, and now

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Speaker 2: we've been expanding out to California in the past three

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Speaker 2: four years.

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Speaker 3: And now, like I said, we're in every state. So

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Speaker 3: we're in My.

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Speaker 2: Dad has a slogan Grower Die, So we're going to

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Speaker 2: continue to keep growing. I like that we're infiltrating new

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Speaker 2: new sectors and new areas.

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Speaker 3: We just you know, we were the official law firm

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Speaker 3: of the UFC. We just did a law firm.

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Speaker 2: We just did a deal with the PBR bull riding

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Speaker 2: we sponsored I got my RCR hat here Kyle Busch

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Speaker 2: and Austin we'll be in the We'll be on Kyle

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Speaker 2: Busch's car for the clash out there in LA in February.

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Speaker 3: So we're definitely trying to push it and get our

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Speaker 3: name out there and let people know, you know that

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Speaker 3: Morgan Morgan's here. We're here to stay.

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Speaker 2: We're the biggest, where are the baddest, and definitely think

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Speaker 2: of us if you ever need us.

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Speaker 1: Well, I know this, you said you running the marketing

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Speaker 1: at the company. It's it's working because I see you guys.

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Speaker 1: You guys are on my podcast, but I see you everywhere.

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Speaker 1: So congrats on all the success and you know, hopefully

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Speaker 1: the Orlando Magic maybe in season tournament next year. Is

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Speaker 1: that their year? You know, Yeah, that's more important. Well,

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Speaker 1: thanks Dan, appreciate you coming on and have a great day.

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Speaker 3: Thank having me the volume