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Speaker 2: let's start with Chase of the Afterlife with Santra Champlain.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to our podcast. Please be aware the thoughts and

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Speaker 2: Hi.

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Speaker 1: I'm Sandra Champlain. For over twenty five years, I've been

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Speaker 1: on a journey to prove the existence of life after death.

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Speaker 1: Each episode will discuss the reasons we now know that

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Speaker 1: our loved ones have survived physical debt and so will we.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to Shades of the Afterlife. Some of my favorite

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Speaker 1: I remember on one episode, maybe a year ago, there

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Speaker 1: was the story of a woman who had a near

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Speaker 1: room and up on top of the hospital, and there

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Speaker 1: let us know that certainly our consciousness does not remain

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Speaker 1: just in our body. I've done experiments with remote viewing

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Speaker 1: and have successfully been able to see things on someone's

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Speaker 1: dreaming experiences. Several months ago, I purchased a course online

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Speaker 1: on lucid dreaming by Robert Wagner, who wrote the book

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Speaker 1: Lucid Dreaming Gateway to the Inner Self. I had heard

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Speaker 1: of stories of people who reconnected with their deceased loved

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Speaker 1: with our loved ones, it would help through the grieving

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Speaker 1: are times that we have these very clear and lucid

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Speaker 1: and true to life dreams where we can do anything,

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Speaker 1: I have to be honest. After I purchased the course,

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain.

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Speaker 1: I'd like to do a little reading right now for you.

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Speaker 1: Titus Reves, Annie Durvin, and Rudolph Smitt. Physician K. M.

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Speaker 1: Paranormal Podcast Network. Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife.

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Speaker 1: I'm Sander Champlain and our topic today is a verifiable

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Speaker 1: tried to resuscitate him by means of shock, but that

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Speaker 1: The next day, Lerma went to see the new patients

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Speaker 1: and saw Ricardo waving at him and motioning that the

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Speaker 1: doctor should come see him first. He thanked doctor Lerma

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Speaker 1: the near death experience. Ricardo told Lerma the kind of

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Speaker 1: lessons he had retained from the near death experience. Lastly,

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Speaker 1: he asked the intern to help him prove that his

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Speaker 1: experience had been more than just a dream. The patient said,

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Speaker 1: I was out of my body and floating up above

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Speaker 1: the trauma room when I spotted a nineteen eighty five

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Speaker 1: quarter lying on the right hand corner of the eight

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Speaker 1: foot high cardiac monitor. It was amidst the dust, as

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Speaker 1: if someone had put it there for this very reason

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Speaker 1: a long time ago. Doctor Lerma, Could you please check

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Speaker 1: this for me? It would mean so much to me. Subsequently,

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Speaker 1: Lerma took a ladder to the emergency room. He climbed

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Speaker 1: up the ladder in the presence of nurses. Lerma says,

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Speaker 1: to our total amazement, there it was just as he

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Speaker 1: had seen it, the quarter with even the year nineteen

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Speaker 1: eighty five on it. He argued that there appeared to

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Speaker 1: be only two possible explanations for the correct description of

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Speaker 1: the quarter. Either Ricardo had placed the quarter there himself,

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Speaker 1: or he was truly able to see the coin in

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Speaker 1: his out of body state. He mentioned that Ricardo, from

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Speaker 1: a medical point of view, had not been in any

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Speaker 1: condition to climb the ladder for years. Lerma also could

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Speaker 1: not establish a link with anyone who worked in the

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Speaker 1: emergency room. You know what I love about that story? Yes,

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Speaker 1: I love the verifiable evidence of the nineteen eighty five

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Speaker 1: quarter but because of that experience, the doctor John Lerma

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Speaker 1: went into being a hospice doctor and now he's got

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Speaker 1: the book into the light real life stories about angelic visits,

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Speaker 1: visions of the afterlife, and other pre death experiences. Yep

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Speaker 1: I added that to my list, seventeen year old Mikayla

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Speaker 1: of Homer City, Pennsylvania, was on vacation with her family. Unfortunately,

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Speaker 1: to an emergency room by helicopter. She had suffered serious

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Speaker 1: brain injury and wounds to her arms. The doctor who

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Speaker 1: gave Michaela trauma treatment in the helicopter, Scott Magley, said

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Speaker 1: he did his utmost to save her, but she still

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Speaker 1: slipped into a coma on arrival at the hospital. In

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Speaker 1: this condition, Mikaela had a near death experience with a

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Speaker 1: panoramic review of her past along with a peak into

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Speaker 1: her future. Afterwards, she found herself up in the corner

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Speaker 1: of the hospital room, where she looked down on her

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Speaker 1: own boy. Then, Mikaela saw her parents sitting in the

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Speaker 1: She said, my dad is a smoker, and he said

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Speaker 1: he was going to have a cigarette because he just

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Speaker 1: wanted to get some breathing room and get out of

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Speaker 1: there for a while. And it was funny because my grandmother,

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Speaker 1: my mom's mom, who would never ever ever have a

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Speaker 1: cigarette in her life, said I need one too. I'm

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Speaker 1: going to have one of those. And then my other

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Speaker 1: grandmother said, yeah, me too. Two weeks later, Mikaela awoke

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Speaker 1: from her coma. She told her astonished mother that both

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Speaker 1: her grandmothers had suddenly started smoking with Mikaela's father. This

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Speaker 1: event was confirmed by the mother. On their Near Death

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Speaker 1: Experience Research Foundation website, Jeffrey and Jodi Long presented the

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Speaker 1: account of a mother, Marnie s, who wrote about her

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Speaker 1: daughter's near death experience. When the little girl was only

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Speaker 1: two years old, she had an unexpected cardiac arrest and

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Speaker 1: was unconscious for at least four minutes. She was resuscitated

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Speaker 1: at a hospital with the help of a defibrillator. Her

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Speaker 1: mother wrote a few months after being released from the hospital,

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Speaker 1: she told our then twelve year old daughter, I'm all

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Speaker 1: better now. Our older daughter responded with you are, how

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Speaker 1: do you know that, Our two year old daughter said,

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Speaker 1: God told me. A few weeks later, we were sitting

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Speaker 1: around the campfire as a family, roasting marshmallows when our

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Speaker 1: daughter told us God came to see me when I

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Speaker 1: was at the hospital. He carried me up to the

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Speaker 1: sky when the doctors were putting something on me. He

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Speaker 1: told me I was all better now and took me

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Speaker 1: back down to the hospital. Our daughter was very upset

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Speaker 1: that she had to return to the hospital. She really

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Speaker 1: wanted to go with God. A forty nine year old

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Speaker 1: man had a massive heart attack. The physician tried his

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Speaker 1: utmost to resuscitate him, but after some thirty five minutes,

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Speaker 1: the doctor gave up. He had already started filling out

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Speaker 1: his death certificate when someone pointed out that there still

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Speaker 1: seemed to be life in the patient. The doctor tried

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Speaker 1: again and was successful at resuscitating him. The next day,

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Speaker 1: the patient was able to tell the doctor in great

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Speaker 1: detail what had happened in the emergency room. The man

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Speaker 1: described the hairstyle on the nurse. He had even read

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Speaker 1: her last name on her name tag, which was Hawk's

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Speaker 1: time for the break. We'll be right back. You're listening

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Speaker 1: to Shades of the Afterlife on the iHeartRadio and Coast

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Speaker 1: to Coast, a m paranormal podcast network. Welcome back to

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Speaker 1: Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain. If you're interested

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Speaker 1: in more of these stories. The book The Self Does

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Speaker 1: Not Die has just been republished in the second edition

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Speaker 1: with twenty four new cases. In fact, they say within

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Speaker 1: the book there are one hundred and twenty eight total cases.

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Speaker 1: When we started the show today, I spoke about lucid dreaming,

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Speaker 1: and I really believe it's the next frontier with not

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Speaker 1: only afterlife communication, but also self healing, getting to know

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Speaker 1: our higher self, and who knows what else is possible.

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Speaker 1: I want to read to you a story written by

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Speaker 1: a fellow named Zach. He said, I tried lucid dreaming

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Speaker 1: for thirty days, and my life has changed forever. As

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Speaker 1: I get busier, I am constantly hunting for more hours

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Speaker 1: in my day. I know, however, from academic journals and

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Speaker 1: personal experience, that taking away hours from sleep is the

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Speaker 1: worst possible option. But what if I could find some

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Speaker 1: extra time during sleep? What if that time was during dreams?

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Speaker 1: But how do I gain awareness of my dreams? How

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Speaker 1: will I know when I'm dreaming. Can I fly during dreams?

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Speaker 1: Can I study during dreams? Can I fight Darth Vader

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Speaker 1: in an awesome lightsaber battle? One day, I was telling

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Speaker 1: one of my friends about one of my dreams, and

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Speaker 1: she said she had flown to Egypt to see the

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Speaker 1: pyramids in her previous dream. I was like, what, how

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Speaker 1: did you do that? She told me it was just

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Speaker 1: a regular lucid dream for her. Immediately I began researching

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Speaker 1: what is lucid dreaming. For the next thirty days, my

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Speaker 1: life became all about lucid dreaming. I bought a lucid

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Speaker 1: dreaming book, read one hundred Reddit posts, watched Inception and Memento,

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Speaker 1: and bought a fancy journal and a pen. I went

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Speaker 1: to bed one night, prepared to have a lucid dream

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Speaker 1: and fly to explore pyramids like my friend. I went

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Speaker 1: to bed and nothing happened. I was bummed. I had

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Speaker 1: to do something different. I decided to separate the next

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Speaker 1: thirty days into five day blocks, where I would commit

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Speaker 1: to one thing every five days. Stephen Leberge's book Exploring

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Speaker 1: the World of Lucid Dreaming would be my guide. In

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Speaker 1: phase one, I should be recording every single dream. My

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Speaker 1: hab at night using a dream journal. I remember thinking, wait,

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Speaker 1: so I have to wake up in the middle of

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Speaker 1: the night, turn on a light, and write stuff in

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Speaker 1: a journal That sounds like a nightmare right there. However,

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Speaker 1: I did it. I wanted to have that epic lightsaber battle.

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Speaker 1: I found waking up to be really tough. A couple

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Speaker 1: of times I woke up thought about journaling, but then

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Speaker 1: went right back to sleep. What motivated me was reading

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Speaker 1: all the stories from Leburge's book and the Internet. People

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Speaker 1: were speaking to long lost dead relatives, rehearsing for musical concerts,

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Speaker 1: or canoodling with their favorite celebrity. At first, my recollection

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Speaker 1: of dreams was abysmal. I would remember maybe one sentence

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Speaker 1: describing the image of what had happened. Slowly, however, I

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Speaker 1: built up more and more details. Soon I was filling

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Speaker 1: the page with details from my dreams. My hunger was

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Speaker 1: building for the lucid dream though, to go to the

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Speaker 1: next phase, phase two, reality checks. The idea behind reality

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Speaker 1: checks is that if you consistently check to see if

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Speaker 1: you're dreaming during real waking life, then eventually you will

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Speaker 1: begin to check to see if you are dreaming while

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Speaker 1: you are dreaming. So I made the plan to do

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Speaker 1: this one reality check where I pinch my nose and

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Speaker 1: try to breathe through my nose. In real life, of course,

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Speaker 1: you can't breathe through a pinched nose, but when you

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Speaker 1: are dreaming, you can breathe through a pinched nose. I

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Speaker 1: scheduled myself to do reality checks whenever I noticed it

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Speaker 1: was the hour marker. I remember feeling extremely silly when

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Speaker 1: I first started doing this, and on the streets people

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Speaker 1: would occasionally look at me like I was crazy. But

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Speaker 1: then something amazing happened. A couple days into doing reality checks,

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Speaker 1: I had my first lucid dream. I was stunned by

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Speaker 1: how vivid and real the dream world was. My brain

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Speaker 1: is generating all these images and people and things, and

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Speaker 1: now I was really hooked. There was no way I

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Speaker 1: was going back. I wanted to have longer lucid dreams,

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Speaker 1: do cooler things in the dreams, and have them more frequently.

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Speaker 1: So I kicked it up a notch phase three mnemonic

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Speaker 1: induced lucid dreaming. This was the mild technique. All mild

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Speaker 1: is is when you wake up late in the night,

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Speaker 1: you remember and record your dream, then you fall back asleep.

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Speaker 1: And you repeat to yourself, next time I'm dreaming, I

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Speaker 1: will remember I'm dreaming. Next time i'm dreaming, I will

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Speaker 1: remember I'm dreaming, and so on, all the while imagining

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Speaker 1: what you would do when you remember you are dreaming.

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Speaker 1: Then I hit the wall. Even though I was super

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Speaker 1: motivate and committed, I found myself not having another Lucid

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Speaker 1: dream for a while. I was bummed. I thought the

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Speaker 1: curve for Lucid dreams would be exponential, but I was wrong.

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Speaker 1: I began to lose interest in Lucid dreaming. One day

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Speaker 1: I didn't even do any reality checks. Another day, I

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Speaker 1: didn't record a single dream. Was it over? Was my

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Speaker 1: Lucid dreaming journey a thing of the past? Would I

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Speaker 1: ever fly off into space? During this time, I reached

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Speaker 1: out to my original Lucid dreaming inspiration and she told

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Speaker 1: me that's okay, it happens. She also said it was

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Speaker 1: a very tough commitment. You need to stay with it.

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Speaker 1: I thought back to when I first started dreaming about

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Speaker 1: my very first and only Lucid dream and how awesome

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Speaker 1: it was, and I realized this was important to me.

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Speaker 1: Getting extra time was important to me exploring the world

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Speaker 1: of my dream teams was important to me, and I recommitted.

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Speaker 1: Near the end of phase three, I was still not

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Speaker 1: having lucid dreams, but my dream recall was on an

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Speaker 1: all time high. I was recording multiple pages of dreams

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Speaker 1: per night. By the end of phase three, I knew

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Speaker 1: I needed to change things up to add an ever

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Speaker 1: more powerful method, a more advanced one phase four wb TB.

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Speaker 1: For my final phase, I decided to use wake back

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Speaker 1: to bed method. The wake back to bed method and

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Speaker 1: and then falling asleep consciously, the idea being later in

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Speaker 1: the night, your REM cycle is at its longest duration,

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Speaker 1: and your REM cycle is when you dream. However, many

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Speaker 1: redditors and even Laberge indicated this method it isn't for

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Speaker 1: the week of art. Falling asleep consciously is difficult for

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Speaker 1: a couple of reasons. Number one, you have to be

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Speaker 1: at the perfect level of arousal. If you just wake

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Speaker 1: But if you wake up too much, then you won't

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Speaker 1: and then another one, And then I was on lucid

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Speaker 1: dream number six. And in this one something intense happened.

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Speaker 1: in that same place. Instantly, I became lucid and remembered

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Speaker 1: my intention to fly in space. What followed was an

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Speaker 1: experience I will never forget. I was flying through space,

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Speaker 1: experiencing different dimensions and different shapes, and had the happiest

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Speaker 1: how amazing it was. I realized that there is so

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Speaker 1: much to explore, not only in the world but in

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Speaker 1: my head. Imagine the crazy things I could discover. If

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Speaker 1: I kept doing this for a year, my life will

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Speaker 1: never be the same. I needed to hear that myself,

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Speaker 1: to be honest, because I started off so strong and

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Speaker 1: then it is hard to keep up with this. But

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Speaker 1: I think that we can get to that same place

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Speaker 1: Lucid Dreaming. If you do some research, if you start

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Speaker 1: reading the free magazine at Lucid Dreaming magazine dot com,

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Speaker 1: you hear these stories from people, stories of healing, stories

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Speaker 1: of meeting their higher self, stories of connecting with their

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Speaker 1: deceased life. And while you may think it's just your imagination,

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Speaker 1: there has been verifiable evidence coming from Lucid Dreaming to

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Speaker 1: prove that it's not all our imagination, certainly some of

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Speaker 1: it is. So I'm excited again and we'll see where

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Speaker 1: it goes if you're interested. That book by Stephen Leburge

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Speaker 1: book that I have been reading is Robert Wagoner's Lucid

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Speaker 1: Dreaming Gateway to the Inner Self. I want to remind

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Speaker 1: you that my home base is we Don't Die dot com.

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Speaker 1: Near the bottom of the page you can enter your

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Speaker 1: name and email address. It says you get the first

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Speaker 1: few chapters of my book We Don't Die, a skeptics

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Speaker 1: discovery of life after death, but it's the whole book.

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Speaker 1: We have all kinds of good classes coming up, and

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Speaker 1: of course our free Sunday Gathering Inspirational Service two o'clock

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Speaker 1: New York time every Sunday with a free medium demonstration included.

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Speaker 1: I'm Sandra Champlain. You've been listening to Shades of the

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