1 00:00:00,720 --> 00:00:03,720 Speaker 1: A lead fifteen to ten touched up. 2 00:00:11,640 --> 00:00:14,240 Speaker 2: What's Up? Guys, Welcome into a brand new episode of 3 00:00:14,440 --> 00:00:17,440 Speaker 2: Chargers Weekly. Chris Hayrey as always joined by Matt Muney. 4 00:00:17,520 --> 00:00:21,480 Speaker 2: Smith Moundy, I think you spoke at into existence again, 5 00:00:21,560 --> 00:00:24,079 Speaker 2: my man. We were doing this Q toda and you 6 00:00:24,160 --> 00:00:28,280 Speaker 2: mentioned DJ Shark and we close up the pod, publish it, 7 00:00:28,400 --> 00:00:30,720 Speaker 2: get it ready for the people, and DJ Chart sides 8 00:00:30,760 --> 00:00:31,480 Speaker 2: with the Chargers. 9 00:00:32,040 --> 00:00:35,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, nobody's better at putting an expiration date on their 10 00:00:35,840 --> 00:00:38,400 Speaker 1: podcast like we are. It seems like, oh yeah, for 11 00:00:38,479 --> 00:00:42,280 Speaker 1: whatever reason, the second we finish, but a couple hours later, 12 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:45,440 Speaker 1: something happens that we had kicked around, either you know, 13 00:00:45,560 --> 00:00:48,159 Speaker 1: pushing back against what we thought might happen or what 14 00:00:48,200 --> 00:00:51,120 Speaker 1: we thought would happen. Chart just made so much sense 15 00:00:51,680 --> 00:00:56,160 Speaker 1: in terms of the age, you know, the measurables, the speed, 16 00:00:56,760 --> 00:00:58,720 Speaker 1: the fact that he's pretty much been an AX his 17 00:00:58,960 --> 00:01:03,400 Speaker 1: entire career, and look, there's there's a reason why he's available, 18 00:01:03,720 --> 00:01:06,440 Speaker 1: you know, and at the first week of May he's 19 00:01:06,480 --> 00:01:09,039 Speaker 1: had injuries, and you wonder if the injuries have impacted 20 00:01:09,040 --> 00:01:11,840 Speaker 1: the speed a little bit, and just you know, much 21 00:01:11,920 --> 00:01:15,319 Speaker 1: like with Mike Williams, inability to kind of make himself available. 22 00:01:15,440 --> 00:01:18,280 Speaker 1: But it's where the whole Ben Herbert conversation comes in. 23 00:01:18,280 --> 00:01:19,840 Speaker 1: I'm gonna make you harder to break. And if he 24 00:01:19,840 --> 00:01:23,319 Speaker 1: can make DJ Chark harder to break, he's someone that's 25 00:01:23,360 --> 00:01:25,360 Speaker 1: already done it, you know. He's someone that's already had 26 00:01:25,400 --> 00:01:28,440 Speaker 1: a thousand yard season and took the top off a 27 00:01:28,520 --> 00:01:32,679 Speaker 1: defense repeatedly in that season. And that's what this team needs. 28 00:01:32,720 --> 00:01:35,760 Speaker 1: So you do that, and now you've got Quinton and 29 00:01:36,080 --> 00:01:39,480 Speaker 1: Lad McConkie and josh Palmer, you know, to supplement that 30 00:01:39,560 --> 00:01:40,880 Speaker 1: and that can make a big difference. 31 00:01:41,840 --> 00:01:43,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's I think it's all about the competition that 32 00:01:43,760 --> 00:01:46,679 Speaker 2: we talked about too. There's eleven wide receivers on the 33 00:01:46,760 --> 00:01:50,360 Speaker 2: roster right now, and it's a It's a position group 34 00:01:50,400 --> 00:01:52,600 Speaker 2: that I think when you see Keenan leave and Mike leave, 35 00:01:53,360 --> 00:01:56,840 Speaker 2: it's considered maybe more of the I don't want to 36 00:01:56,840 --> 00:02:00,400 Speaker 2: say weaker, but position groups that have a lots of proof. 37 00:02:00,600 --> 00:02:05,520 Speaker 2: So for Quentin and Joshua, like I was saying, there 38 00:02:05,560 --> 00:02:07,240 Speaker 2: needs to be another guy or maybe a couple of 39 00:02:07,320 --> 00:02:10,120 Speaker 2: guys in there to kind of push them outside of 40 00:02:10,160 --> 00:02:16,600 Speaker 2: just the Brendan Rice's and Cornelias from Michigan. So DJ Shark, 41 00:02:16,639 --> 00:02:19,760 Speaker 2: I think is a nice veteran to kind of push 42 00:02:19,800 --> 00:02:21,640 Speaker 2: these guys and you know, money. He hasn't been in 43 00:02:21,680 --> 00:02:24,480 Speaker 2: like the best of situations throughout his career either. He 44 00:02:24,520 --> 00:02:26,919 Speaker 2: had that one year I think with Detroit a couple 45 00:02:26,960 --> 00:02:29,440 Speaker 2: of years ago with Jared Golf, But other than that, 46 00:02:29,520 --> 00:02:31,800 Speaker 2: I mean that Carolina situation. I think a lot of 47 00:02:31,800 --> 00:02:35,240 Speaker 2: people forgot about DJ Shark because of the Carolina situation, 48 00:02:35,400 --> 00:02:38,919 Speaker 2: Like it was so bad down there. So I think 49 00:02:39,120 --> 00:02:42,359 Speaker 2: for players like Hayden Hurst and Chark to come out 50 00:02:42,360 --> 00:02:45,760 Speaker 2: of that, come into a much better situation with a 51 00:02:45,840 --> 00:02:51,160 Speaker 2: quarterback like Justin Herbert, maybe they can kind of make 52 00:02:51,200 --> 00:02:54,200 Speaker 2: another step in their career that wasn't necessarily there in 53 00:02:54,320 --> 00:02:55,959 Speaker 2: twenty twenty three at the Panthers. 54 00:02:56,400 --> 00:02:59,560 Speaker 1: I think the biggest thing with Chark is just the 55 00:02:59,639 --> 00:03:03,840 Speaker 1: speed and the quarterbacks that he's played with. It's, you know, 56 00:03:03,919 --> 00:03:06,400 Speaker 1: like every every quarterback in the NFL has a good arm. 57 00:03:06,440 --> 00:03:08,520 Speaker 1: It's not like they don't have any arm strength, but 58 00:03:08,639 --> 00:03:12,080 Speaker 1: just to really take advantage of it. He's He's played 59 00:03:12,080 --> 00:03:14,760 Speaker 1: with Gardner Minshew, Jared Goff, and Bryce Young. Those are 60 00:03:14,760 --> 00:03:17,480 Speaker 1: three guys that will never find themselves in the top 61 00:03:17,520 --> 00:03:19,280 Speaker 1: half of the league in terms of arm strength. Now, 62 00:03:19,280 --> 00:03:22,240 Speaker 1: they can push the ball downfield, for sure, but when 63 00:03:22,280 --> 00:03:26,160 Speaker 1: you've got a cannon like Herbert has and you pair 64 00:03:26,240 --> 00:03:28,040 Speaker 1: that with four to three speed on a six to 65 00:03:28,080 --> 00:03:31,440 Speaker 1: three body, that's when things can get interesting. And those 66 00:03:31,440 --> 00:03:33,720 Speaker 1: are the sort of explosive plays that we saw when 67 00:03:34,080 --> 00:03:38,320 Speaker 1: when Jalen Geiden first jumped on the scene and sort 68 00:03:38,320 --> 00:03:42,000 Speaker 1: of made himself available downfield and Herbert was able to 69 00:03:42,040 --> 00:03:44,280 Speaker 1: push that ball to him. You know Toron Johnson as well. 70 00:03:44,440 --> 00:03:47,600 Speaker 1: So just getting that ball out there, you've got four 71 00:03:47,600 --> 00:03:50,160 Speaker 1: to three speed, go run by your guy. You're not 72 00:03:50,200 --> 00:03:54,800 Speaker 1: gonna outrun my arm. So that's that's something that's exciting 73 00:03:54,840 --> 00:03:56,360 Speaker 1: because once you start doing that, all you have to 74 00:03:56,360 --> 00:03:58,760 Speaker 1: do is once a game and now the defense is 75 00:03:58,800 --> 00:04:00,560 Speaker 1: un notice and they got a got to keep that 76 00:04:00,560 --> 00:04:03,280 Speaker 1: safety up there and be worried about it and start 77 00:04:03,760 --> 00:04:05,560 Speaker 1: making sure you don't get burned twice. It's the one 78 00:04:05,560 --> 00:04:08,560 Speaker 1: thing you can afford is those explosive plays when you're 79 00:04:08,600 --> 00:04:10,480 Speaker 1: a defense, and so if you can burn them early, 80 00:04:10,680 --> 00:04:13,600 Speaker 1: especially now, all that stuff underneath is opening up and 81 00:04:13,640 --> 00:04:17,080 Speaker 1: that's where the whole lad mcconkeye's going to catch two 82 00:04:17,120 --> 00:04:19,520 Speaker 1: hundred balls because Shark's going to be taking the top 83 00:04:19,520 --> 00:04:21,600 Speaker 1: off the defense. You know, that sort of conversation comes 84 00:04:21,600 --> 00:04:22,119 Speaker 1: into play. 85 00:04:22,920 --> 00:04:24,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, if people forget he was a Pro bowler at 86 00:04:24,720 --> 00:04:27,240 Speaker 2: twenty nineteen, he's only twenty seven years old. That's the thing. 87 00:04:27,680 --> 00:04:30,320 Speaker 2: His Pro Bowl season, he had one hundred and eighteen targets, 88 00:04:30,320 --> 00:04:33,839 Speaker 2: seventy three catches over one thousand yards, eight touchdowns. Quietly 89 00:04:33,920 --> 00:04:38,039 Speaker 2: had five touchdowns last year on that Panthers team that 90 00:04:38,240 --> 00:04:42,680 Speaker 2: was just a mess in every facet. Eleven games started 91 00:04:42,760 --> 00:04:46,280 Speaker 2: last year, thirty five catches for five, twenty five and five. Now, 92 00:04:46,520 --> 00:04:51,200 Speaker 2: if he makes this team and he catches sixty balls 93 00:04:51,560 --> 00:04:54,800 Speaker 2: for like eight hundred yards and seven touchdowns, like that's 94 00:04:54,839 --> 00:04:57,200 Speaker 2: exactly what you're looking for, And that's just I mean, 95 00:04:58,240 --> 00:05:01,640 Speaker 2: you improve his situation and the fact that he's twenty seven. 96 00:05:01,680 --> 00:05:04,359 Speaker 2: You mentioned the Ben Herbert factor. He could be a 97 00:05:04,360 --> 00:05:06,040 Speaker 2: really nice piece for this wide receivers row. 98 00:05:06,560 --> 00:05:10,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, and look there we might jinx ourselves again. Right. 99 00:05:10,440 --> 00:05:13,720 Speaker 1: You got Mark Wezveldez Scantling who's making a visit. It's 100 00:05:13,760 --> 00:05:18,320 Speaker 1: another big body, four three guy. So clearly we know 101 00:05:18,360 --> 00:05:20,800 Speaker 1: what they're looking for, like we need and you heard 102 00:05:20,839 --> 00:05:23,000 Speaker 1: what Jim Harby had to say about Lad mcconkey's like 103 00:05:23,040 --> 00:05:26,440 Speaker 1: that speed's real. It shows up and and I think 104 00:05:26,480 --> 00:05:29,919 Speaker 1: the it's almost the exact quote. It's I like guys 105 00:05:29,920 --> 00:05:33,320 Speaker 1: that run four threes. So they've now brought in two 106 00:05:33,320 --> 00:05:36,520 Speaker 1: free agents that run four threes, and that's DJ Shark 107 00:05:36,560 --> 00:05:38,840 Speaker 1: and now Mark wez Bel des Scanting. They may sign 108 00:05:38,920 --> 00:05:40,280 Speaker 1: them both. And the next thing you know, you got 109 00:05:40,279 --> 00:05:43,800 Speaker 1: twelve guys, including undrafted free agents, in the wide receiver room. 110 00:05:43,839 --> 00:05:47,880 Speaker 1: And then again it goes to the how many you 111 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:53,080 Speaker 1: keeping and you would have again you assume you're keeping 112 00:05:53,120 --> 00:05:57,200 Speaker 1: three for sure. You know three for Sures McConkie, Quentin Johnson, 113 00:05:57,279 --> 00:06:01,880 Speaker 1: Josh Palmer. Feels like Brennan Rice and Cornelius Johnson were 114 00:06:01,960 --> 00:06:05,960 Speaker 1: drafted for a reason. That's five. Darius Davis is the 115 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:09,160 Speaker 1: most explosive, was voted by the players as the best 116 00:06:09,240 --> 00:06:12,160 Speaker 1: returner in the league last year, So you're probably keeping him. 117 00:06:12,720 --> 00:06:15,640 Speaker 1: Now you're already at six before we even get the chart, Like, 118 00:06:16,279 --> 00:06:18,440 Speaker 1: it's gotten to be a very crowded room. And there's 119 00:06:18,440 --> 00:06:21,000 Speaker 1: nothing wrong with that. There's nothing wrong with competition and 120 00:06:21,040 --> 00:06:24,960 Speaker 1: figuring out. And they may ask that's what's so different 121 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:29,800 Speaker 1: about that position, and the skill position's really in general, right, 122 00:06:29,880 --> 00:06:32,320 Speaker 1: it's like what are you asking of that position? And 123 00:06:32,360 --> 00:06:34,840 Speaker 1: that varies from team to team what they want from 124 00:06:34,880 --> 00:06:37,600 Speaker 1: their wide receivers. What kind of running backs do you want? 125 00:06:37,640 --> 00:06:40,440 Speaker 1: What kind of tight ends are best suited for what 126 00:06:40,480 --> 00:06:44,599 Speaker 1: you want to do, And so we don't know. It's 127 00:06:44,720 --> 00:06:48,839 Speaker 1: hard to because you had Roman Wilson and Cornelius Johnson 128 00:06:48,920 --> 00:06:52,760 Speaker 1: last year on Michigan, and Cornelius was that downfield, go 129 00:06:52,800 --> 00:06:55,400 Speaker 1: get it, and you know whereas Roman was working that 130 00:06:55,480 --> 00:06:58,560 Speaker 1: on those inbreakers A lot has incredible hands, which is 131 00:06:58,640 --> 00:07:00,880 Speaker 1: snatched the ball and run a lot to run after catch. 132 00:07:00,920 --> 00:07:05,599 Speaker 1: But so as a smaller receiver, so there's you know, 133 00:07:05,680 --> 00:07:11,200 Speaker 1: I think there's it's almost like McConkie is a way 134 00:07:11,240 --> 00:07:15,760 Speaker 1: better version of Wilson. And with with Cornelius is that, 135 00:07:15,880 --> 00:07:19,960 Speaker 1: you know, blocking wide receiver on the outside downfield, fifty 136 00:07:19,960 --> 00:07:24,000 Speaker 1: to fifty ball, big body receiver sort of threat. So 137 00:07:24,080 --> 00:07:26,400 Speaker 1: I don't know what kind of wide receiver room they 138 00:07:26,920 --> 00:07:30,040 Speaker 1: want to create for Sanjay Ball and what his vision 139 00:07:30,120 --> 00:07:33,280 Speaker 1: is and what Greg Roman's vision is and how they 140 00:07:33,320 --> 00:07:36,680 Speaker 1: want this thing to come together. But it's certainly as 141 00:07:36,760 --> 00:07:39,880 Speaker 1: far as the free agents go, you know, and their 142 00:07:39,920 --> 00:07:43,280 Speaker 1: second round pick, it's speed. They recognize this team is 143 00:07:43,480 --> 00:07:46,800 Speaker 1: devoid of speed and explosive plays and we've seen that 144 00:07:46,880 --> 00:07:49,960 Speaker 1: for multiple years now, Chris, So I'm excited that they're 145 00:07:49,960 --> 00:07:52,160 Speaker 1: going out and at least getting guys that can run 146 00:07:52,160 --> 00:07:53,760 Speaker 1: in the four threes to try to figure out if 147 00:07:53,760 --> 00:07:55,760 Speaker 1: we can open this thing up for the first time 148 00:07:55,800 --> 00:07:56,360 Speaker 1: in years. 149 00:07:57,720 --> 00:08:00,280 Speaker 2: Of course, Lad mccaukeey is going to be a name 150 00:08:00,320 --> 00:08:02,960 Speaker 2: that we're all excited to see. And you know, you 151 00:08:02,960 --> 00:08:06,040 Speaker 2: talk about Cornelius Johnson and Brendan Rice and DJ Shark. 152 00:08:06,880 --> 00:08:08,960 Speaker 2: I just think that this is such a pivotal year 153 00:08:08,960 --> 00:08:12,080 Speaker 2: for Quentin Johnston money with the competition that's coming. And 154 00:08:12,200 --> 00:08:14,800 Speaker 2: think about last year. He goes into a wide receivers 155 00:08:14,880 --> 00:08:18,600 Speaker 2: room knowing that Keenan and Mike are the guys and 156 00:08:18,880 --> 00:08:20,880 Speaker 2: he's going to try to figure it out rookie year 157 00:08:20,920 --> 00:08:25,640 Speaker 2: in the NFL and learn from those guys. This year, 158 00:08:26,240 --> 00:08:28,800 Speaker 2: you know, I feel like he needs to kind of 159 00:08:28,840 --> 00:08:31,760 Speaker 2: rise to the occasion his second year in the NFL. 160 00:08:32,240 --> 00:08:34,520 Speaker 2: You see him working out with Marvin Harrison Junior in 161 00:08:34,559 --> 00:08:38,280 Speaker 2: the off season. I know that this kid wants it, 162 00:08:38,400 --> 00:08:42,559 Speaker 2: and we've seen the potential in him, how he responds 163 00:08:42,840 --> 00:08:46,760 Speaker 2: to the competition, how he responds to the coaching throughout 164 00:08:46,800 --> 00:08:51,320 Speaker 2: this offseason program and training camp. I think that that's 165 00:08:51,360 --> 00:08:54,240 Speaker 2: the guy of anybody in that room that I'm just 166 00:08:54,320 --> 00:08:57,760 Speaker 2: so intrigued to see this year that could he put 167 00:08:58,160 --> 00:09:01,680 Speaker 2: anything that was negative in his rookie season behind him 168 00:09:02,280 --> 00:09:05,920 Speaker 2: and move forward in a positive way with confidence knowing 169 00:09:05,960 --> 00:09:09,119 Speaker 2: that the Charger is gonna expect a lot out of him. 170 00:09:09,640 --> 00:09:13,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think for Quentin, Look, there's a few things 171 00:09:13,200 --> 00:09:15,680 Speaker 1: for Quentin Johnston, right and all the incoming that he 172 00:09:15,720 --> 00:09:17,960 Speaker 1: took last year, he was going to get drafted in 173 00:09:17,960 --> 00:09:21,120 Speaker 1: the top forty. You know, he may he very well 174 00:09:21,160 --> 00:09:24,520 Speaker 1: if the Chargers decide to draft Dalton Kincaid or Jay 175 00:09:24,520 --> 00:09:26,720 Speaker 1: Flowers or Jordan Addison, he very well could have been 176 00:09:26,760 --> 00:09:29,560 Speaker 1: the next pick to the Ravens. You know, he fits 177 00:09:29,559 --> 00:09:31,600 Speaker 1: that mold of the type of receiver the Ravens like. 178 00:09:31,640 --> 00:09:35,360 Speaker 1: So it's not like it was this crazy reach to 179 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:38,840 Speaker 1: draft him. For the most part. If you go to 180 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:43,199 Speaker 1: last year's rankings, he's in the top five for receivers 181 00:09:43,240 --> 00:09:45,800 Speaker 1: in most people's rankings, and he was going to be 182 00:09:45,800 --> 00:09:47,680 Speaker 1: a first round pick. And I bring that up because 183 00:09:47,679 --> 00:09:52,760 Speaker 1: that means the talent's there. So did he have blemishes. Yeah, 184 00:09:52,880 --> 00:09:57,600 Speaker 1: he had concentration issues, He had serious drop issues, and 185 00:09:57,920 --> 00:10:01,120 Speaker 1: he was to some degree not a one trick pony. 186 00:10:01,160 --> 00:10:02,840 Speaker 1: But we knew what he was really good at, and 187 00:10:02,880 --> 00:10:06,600 Speaker 1: that's just kind of quick inbreakers, slants, get the ball 188 00:10:06,600 --> 00:10:09,880 Speaker 1: and go. He struggled to track the ball over his shoulder, 189 00:10:10,520 --> 00:10:13,120 Speaker 1: and he struggled to catch the ball when he was downfield. 190 00:10:13,240 --> 00:10:16,640 Speaker 1: So he's really he's got a really good skill set 191 00:10:16,760 --> 00:10:20,760 Speaker 1: for a certain style of play. And it was the 192 00:10:20,800 --> 00:10:23,120 Speaker 1: exact and we talked about this with Matt Harmon, right, 193 00:10:23,160 --> 00:10:25,319 Speaker 1: it was the exact opposite of what they asked him 194 00:10:25,320 --> 00:10:26,719 Speaker 1: to do last year because they just asked him to 195 00:10:26,760 --> 00:10:29,000 Speaker 1: be Mike Williams and those were his greatest weaknesses that 196 00:10:29,040 --> 00:10:33,240 Speaker 1: he needed to develop. So canny, of course he can, 197 00:10:33,679 --> 00:10:38,959 Speaker 1: you know, it's not like that's the thing is these Now, Look, 198 00:10:39,000 --> 00:10:41,959 Speaker 1: do some players have issues with drops, Yes, and can 199 00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:44,960 Speaker 1: they not shake them? Sure, there are those cases, but 200 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:47,440 Speaker 1: for the most part, this is a concentration thing. It's 201 00:10:47,440 --> 00:10:51,600 Speaker 1: a reps things. It's a you know, you've got the 202 00:10:51,600 --> 00:10:55,319 Speaker 1: physical gifts, you've got the body, you've got the movement skills. 203 00:10:55,800 --> 00:10:57,960 Speaker 1: Now we just got to get the brain right. So 204 00:10:58,679 --> 00:11:02,640 Speaker 1: you're not happy that lapse in confidence where you have 205 00:11:02,720 --> 00:11:04,560 Speaker 1: to you know, where you have to slow down, where 206 00:11:04,559 --> 00:11:07,280 Speaker 1: you have to gather, where you're not comfortable sticking your 207 00:11:07,320 --> 00:11:09,480 Speaker 1: hands out there and snatching the ball. You prefer you 208 00:11:09,520 --> 00:11:12,640 Speaker 1: feel more secure when your hands are closer to your body, 209 00:11:12,640 --> 00:11:15,800 Speaker 1: and even though that's that's not you want your thumbs 210 00:11:15,800 --> 00:11:18,360 Speaker 1: to be here, not here like that's and so you 211 00:11:18,480 --> 00:11:20,120 Speaker 1: just those are the things you have to work on. 212 00:11:20,200 --> 00:11:24,880 Speaker 1: And that's it's kind of why I'm not completely discouraged. 213 00:11:24,920 --> 00:11:28,120 Speaker 1: And because I'm an old man with broken bones. I 214 00:11:28,160 --> 00:11:31,679 Speaker 1: remember it used to take wide receivers years to get comfortable. 215 00:11:31,880 --> 00:11:35,280 Speaker 1: We did not have rookie seasons like this, like Puka Nakula, 216 00:11:35,440 --> 00:11:38,760 Speaker 1: like Jamar Chase, like Jordan Addison, like we just didn't 217 00:11:38,880 --> 00:11:41,040 Speaker 1: those weren't around. It would take a year and then 218 00:11:41,080 --> 00:11:44,120 Speaker 1: it's like okay, yeah, first year, six hundred and fifty 219 00:11:44,120 --> 00:11:46,559 Speaker 1: seven or fifty yards, a few touchdowns, and now you're 220 00:11:46,559 --> 00:11:48,680 Speaker 1: working your way and you're kind of understanding press and 221 00:11:48,679 --> 00:11:50,760 Speaker 1: how much stronger these guys are and how much more 222 00:11:50,760 --> 00:11:54,320 Speaker 1: complicated defenses are. And you can't get lazy on routes 223 00:11:54,400 --> 00:11:55,840 Speaker 1: or there's going to be a corner there to jump 224 00:11:55,880 --> 00:11:57,560 Speaker 1: in front of you and snatch a pass from your 225 00:11:57,600 --> 00:11:59,280 Speaker 1: quarterback and he's never going to throw to you again 226 00:11:59,320 --> 00:12:02,520 Speaker 1: like used to take time, but now with you know, 227 00:12:02,600 --> 00:12:06,280 Speaker 1: sort of the the way that football has changed, the 228 00:12:06,280 --> 00:12:09,199 Speaker 1: evolution of the offense to be more of a passing game. 229 00:12:09,600 --> 00:12:12,040 Speaker 1: Wide receivers are so much more developed by the time 230 00:12:12,080 --> 00:12:16,040 Speaker 1: they get here, and so we have this incredible expectation 231 00:12:16,120 --> 00:12:19,360 Speaker 1: that they're going to have these twelve to fifteen hundred yard, 232 00:12:19,400 --> 00:12:23,600 Speaker 1: ten touchdown rookie seasons. So it's not it's not the 233 00:12:23,679 --> 00:12:25,520 Speaker 1: end of the line for Quinton. You know. I saw 234 00:12:25,559 --> 00:12:28,000 Speaker 1: an article, you know, because before we do the pot 235 00:12:28,000 --> 00:12:30,000 Speaker 1: I always like to dig deep and see what's okay? 236 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:31,640 Speaker 1: Other is there anything that we're missing? What are some 237 00:12:31,679 --> 00:12:33,280 Speaker 1: of the things that people are talking about. There's one like, 238 00:12:33,840 --> 00:12:36,520 Speaker 1: could Quinton Johnson already be in Jim Harbaugh's dog house. 239 00:12:36,520 --> 00:12:37,760 Speaker 1: That's crazy. 240 00:12:37,320 --> 00:12:40,240 Speaker 2: They haven't put come on, come on, Like they haven't 241 00:12:40,280 --> 00:12:41,280 Speaker 2: even put the pads on yet. 242 00:12:41,559 --> 00:12:44,520 Speaker 1: So until that happens, yes, he's got a lot to prove. 243 00:12:44,559 --> 00:12:46,880 Speaker 1: And as Matt Harmon said, since he's been charting these things, 244 00:12:46,920 --> 00:12:50,199 Speaker 1: it's one of the more one of the most disappointing 245 00:12:50,280 --> 00:12:53,160 Speaker 1: rookie seasons from a player with that many targets that 246 00:12:53,160 --> 00:12:55,720 Speaker 1: he's ever charted. Doesn't mean it's over. It means there's 247 00:12:55,720 --> 00:12:58,440 Speaker 1: some work to do, but it doesn't mean it's over 248 00:13:00,160 --> 00:13:00,439 Speaker 1: at all. 249 00:13:00,520 --> 00:13:04,079 Speaker 2: And I just remember, I'm not comparing Quentin Johnson to 250 00:13:04,200 --> 00:13:07,800 Speaker 2: Jamar Chase, but do you remember Javar Chase's preseason His Yeah. 251 00:13:07,679 --> 00:13:09,280 Speaker 1: I couldn't catch the ball, and they're blaming it on 252 00:13:09,320 --> 00:13:12,720 Speaker 1: the bad rotation and all that SAEO ball. Yeah. 253 00:13:12,800 --> 00:13:14,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, he dropped every ball and it was like, Oh, 254 00:13:14,640 --> 00:13:16,480 Speaker 2: this guy's gonna be a bust. He's gonna be a bust. 255 00:13:16,480 --> 00:13:17,640 Speaker 2: And then all of a sudden he had it all 256 00:13:17,679 --> 00:13:20,720 Speaker 2: pro gear, arguably the best receiver in the league. Yeah, 257 00:13:20,880 --> 00:13:23,600 Speaker 2: so let's give it some time. But I I bring 258 00:13:23,679 --> 00:13:27,480 Speaker 2: up Quentin because I saw and you saw what he 259 00:13:27,480 --> 00:13:29,720 Speaker 2: did at training camp last year. We saw the flashes 260 00:13:30,679 --> 00:13:33,560 Speaker 2: during preseason and even during the regular season at times, 261 00:13:33,720 --> 00:13:36,360 Speaker 2: and like some of the some of the big mistakes 262 00:13:36,360 --> 00:13:40,160 Speaker 2: were mistakes that can easily, in my opinion, be corrected, 263 00:13:40,200 --> 00:13:42,440 Speaker 2: Like you know that, like that Green Bay that Green 264 00:13:42,480 --> 00:13:45,559 Speaker 2: Bay game man, like that, that's something that he would 265 00:13:45,600 --> 00:13:48,200 Speaker 2: he would normally catch. He would normally catch that ball. 266 00:13:48,320 --> 00:13:53,600 Speaker 2: So I have a lot of confidence that Quentin isn't 267 00:13:53,640 --> 00:13:56,600 Speaker 2: there yet. Like I think that there's an extra gear 268 00:13:56,640 --> 00:13:58,679 Speaker 2: for him to go this year, and I hope, I 269 00:13:58,720 --> 00:14:00,640 Speaker 2: hope it works out with the Chargers speaking. 270 00:14:00,400 --> 00:14:02,600 Speaker 1: I'll just put a button on it here, yes, you know, 271 00:14:02,679 --> 00:14:04,480 Speaker 1: with a you know, I mentioned Sonja. I got his 272 00:14:04,600 --> 00:14:08,839 Speaker 1: last name wrong. It's law not bow like. Look, he 273 00:14:09,160 --> 00:14:12,680 Speaker 1: got DK Metcalf who was in a very similar you 274 00:14:12,679 --> 00:14:17,000 Speaker 1: know who was a similar graded prospect coming in Like, yeah, dude, 275 00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:21,640 Speaker 1: the body's beautiful. The speed is there, but he's got 276 00:14:21,640 --> 00:14:25,840 Speaker 1: a limited route tree. It's hitches, it's goes, and there's 277 00:14:25,840 --> 00:14:28,480 Speaker 1: some refinement that you need, you know, that you'll need 278 00:14:28,480 --> 00:14:31,680 Speaker 1: to figure out. And he did, and he did. Look, 279 00:14:32,080 --> 00:14:34,120 Speaker 1: I had a much and I don't want this to 280 00:14:34,120 --> 00:14:35,640 Speaker 1: come out the wrong way, but I had a much 281 00:14:35,680 --> 00:14:41,440 Speaker 1: more I'll try to euphemize it tempered expectation of Clinton. 282 00:14:41,720 --> 00:14:44,080 Speaker 1: I was very surprised by the pick just because of 283 00:14:44,120 --> 00:14:45,840 Speaker 1: the way it lined up with how they had spent 284 00:14:45,880 --> 00:14:48,280 Speaker 1: their money. They had shown us that they were going 285 00:14:48,440 --> 00:14:50,840 Speaker 1: all in for this season, so it was very odd 286 00:14:50,880 --> 00:14:53,640 Speaker 1: to me that they would draft the project. I knew 287 00:14:53,640 --> 00:14:56,320 Speaker 1: it was going to be a project because number one, 288 00:14:56,400 --> 00:14:59,800 Speaker 1: number two, Big twelve receivers are always a red flag. 289 00:15:00,200 --> 00:15:03,000 Speaker 1: Just gotta be careful with the Big twelve because of 290 00:15:03,080 --> 00:15:06,320 Speaker 1: the lack of secondary play, how spread out those offenses are. 291 00:15:06,320 --> 00:15:08,760 Speaker 1: And if you go back and watch Quentin's tape, there's 292 00:15:08,840 --> 00:15:12,880 Speaker 1: just a ton of wide open nobody's near him plays, 293 00:15:13,560 --> 00:15:15,960 Speaker 1: you know, where he doesn't have to fight with the guy, 294 00:15:16,040 --> 00:15:18,200 Speaker 1: doesn't have to concentrate as much on catching the ball. 295 00:15:18,320 --> 00:15:21,760 Speaker 1: So I thought, we still look, I think we're lying 296 00:15:21,800 --> 00:15:24,680 Speaker 1: to ourselves into the people listening to say, yeah that 297 00:15:24,720 --> 00:15:26,960 Speaker 1: he you know, he's not going to drop those balls. No, 298 00:15:27,040 --> 00:15:30,760 Speaker 1: he drops balls. He does, and and he did it 299 00:15:30,800 --> 00:15:34,920 Speaker 1: from the entire preseason till all the way that that 300 00:15:34,960 --> 00:15:37,360 Speaker 1: green Bay game, Like that's just what he does. He 301 00:15:37,520 --> 00:15:41,120 Speaker 1: drops passes. But it's not. And I think it's important 302 00:15:41,120 --> 00:15:44,160 Speaker 1: to acknowledge that because that's what just has to be fixed. 303 00:15:44,680 --> 00:15:47,920 Speaker 1: It's it's no different than he can live it drops. 304 00:15:48,200 --> 00:15:49,880 Speaker 1: You gotta yeah, you've got to get rid of him. 305 00:15:50,080 --> 00:15:51,960 Speaker 1: You know, when the ball comes your way and you're open, 306 00:15:51,960 --> 00:15:53,560 Speaker 1: you've got to catch that ball in green Bay and 307 00:15:53,560 --> 00:15:56,200 Speaker 1: win that game. And the Jordan love story perhaps has 308 00:15:56,200 --> 00:15:58,400 Speaker 1: never written because at that point they're three and six 309 00:15:58,640 --> 00:16:00,600 Speaker 1: or whatever they were at the time, four and six 310 00:16:00,680 --> 00:16:03,440 Speaker 1: or and the Chargers get a win and maybe now 311 00:16:03,480 --> 00:16:04,960 Speaker 1: we're in it. It's you know what I mean, like, 312 00:16:05,040 --> 00:16:08,440 Speaker 1: you can't drop those passes, and if he does, he's 313 00:16:08,440 --> 00:16:12,440 Speaker 1: not going to play. It's that simple. If he continues 314 00:16:12,480 --> 00:16:15,400 Speaker 1: with the drops, he is not going to play. So 315 00:16:16,920 --> 00:16:19,880 Speaker 1: the thing and I bring up that sort of negative 316 00:16:19,920 --> 00:16:23,440 Speaker 1: side of it to point out he knows that. It's 317 00:16:23,480 --> 00:16:25,640 Speaker 1: why he's been busting his tail in the off season. 318 00:16:25,720 --> 00:16:28,680 Speaker 1: It's whise with Marvin Harrison Junior. It's why he's out 319 00:16:28,680 --> 00:16:32,720 Speaker 1: there doing and he's here this voluntary portion, Phase one, 320 00:16:32,760 --> 00:16:36,480 Speaker 1: phase two. He's here and he's working hard because he knows, 321 00:16:37,120 --> 00:16:39,760 Speaker 1: and that's the most important thing. It's like, hey, man, 322 00:16:40,080 --> 00:16:41,720 Speaker 1: don't bury your head in the sand and pretend like, 323 00:16:41,720 --> 00:16:44,600 Speaker 1: oh yeah, i'll get it next time. And I'm you know, no, 324 00:16:45,640 --> 00:16:48,920 Speaker 1: go get it, man. And I think it's I think 325 00:16:48,960 --> 00:16:51,560 Speaker 1: it's encouraging and you support him because he's trying to 326 00:16:51,600 --> 00:16:54,280 Speaker 1: go get it. He's working. And if you're willing to work, 327 00:16:54,320 --> 00:16:58,200 Speaker 1: as Jim Harbaugh has said, hey, we want competitors. You know, 328 00:16:58,280 --> 00:17:00,400 Speaker 1: when you show up. We want you to heat. And 329 00:17:00,400 --> 00:17:03,840 Speaker 1: people respect people that want to compete. And so he's 330 00:17:03,880 --> 00:17:05,959 Speaker 1: out there competing and I respect the hell out of that, 331 00:17:06,000 --> 00:17:08,680 Speaker 1: and I and I hope, like heck that it works 332 00:17:08,720 --> 00:17:09,480 Speaker 1: out for him. 333 00:17:09,800 --> 00:17:12,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's a it's the same team. It's a 334 00:17:12,800 --> 00:17:15,959 Speaker 2: completely new environment for him. Yeah, you know, and you 335 00:17:15,960 --> 00:17:18,560 Speaker 2: can thrive in a new environment. I saw something else, 336 00:17:18,880 --> 00:17:23,000 Speaker 2: someone said, the DJ chart thing doesn't move the needle. Okay, 337 00:17:23,200 --> 00:17:26,600 Speaker 2: so in the off season, when you move the needle 338 00:17:27,160 --> 00:17:30,240 Speaker 2: in the off season, does it rarely does it translate 339 00:17:30,280 --> 00:17:33,359 Speaker 2: to wins because it rarely does, right, Like the best 340 00:17:33,359 --> 00:17:36,399 Speaker 2: teams in the NFL, Like did how about Jim Harball? 341 00:17:36,520 --> 00:17:40,000 Speaker 2: I think Jim Harball moved the needle. Not every single 342 00:17:40,200 --> 00:17:45,000 Speaker 2: transaction needs to move the needle. Like, let's let's concentrate 343 00:17:45,119 --> 00:17:49,960 Speaker 2: on the culture, the coaches and the players that they 344 00:17:50,000 --> 00:17:53,600 Speaker 2: want that they think can help succeed within the culture. So, 345 00:17:54,480 --> 00:17:56,600 Speaker 2: you know, I get, I get that it's the off season, 346 00:17:56,880 --> 00:17:59,920 Speaker 2: and you know, if it was Odell Beckham Junior would 347 00:18:00,119 --> 00:18:03,240 Speaker 2: move the needle, right, But but would Odell have given 348 00:18:03,640 --> 00:18:07,440 Speaker 2: you similar production to DJ Shark? Probably right, probably within 349 00:18:07,520 --> 00:18:10,920 Speaker 2: this culture. So, like I just from from the wide 350 00:18:10,960 --> 00:18:13,600 Speaker 2: receiver talk in the first round and getting a tackle 351 00:18:13,600 --> 00:18:16,800 Speaker 2: over a wide receiver to you know, just little things 352 00:18:16,840 --> 00:18:20,600 Speaker 2: that don't equate to winning. Like this team is trying 353 00:18:20,640 --> 00:18:23,280 Speaker 2: to win in a completely different way that's been done 354 00:18:23,320 --> 00:18:26,560 Speaker 2: before here at the Chargers. Jim Harball's at the helm 355 00:18:26,600 --> 00:18:29,240 Speaker 2: of it, Like we don't need to move the needle 356 00:18:29,440 --> 00:18:34,560 Speaker 2: every single transaction, you know, to be successful in September. 357 00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:37,440 Speaker 1: Wow, And I think it's important And I just want 358 00:18:37,480 --> 00:18:39,639 Speaker 1: to I'm looking off camera for those watching on YouTube 359 00:18:39,680 --> 00:18:42,440 Speaker 1: now because I'm ignoring you, Chris, but because I want 360 00:18:42,440 --> 00:18:45,280 Speaker 1: to just kind of refresh my memory for all the 361 00:18:46,320 --> 00:18:49,679 Speaker 1: stuff that's that's gone on transaction wise. So let's put 362 00:18:49,720 --> 00:18:51,560 Speaker 1: it this way. Okay, there we go. That just reminded 363 00:18:51,600 --> 00:18:57,359 Speaker 1: me would rather pair DJ Hark with Justin Herbert or 364 00:18:57,400 --> 00:19:01,920 Speaker 1: Calvin Ridley with Will Levis. Remember who the quarterback is? Like, 365 00:19:02,200 --> 00:19:07,280 Speaker 1: it's it's it changes the calculus completely, you know, do 366 00:19:07,359 --> 00:19:11,280 Speaker 1: you want like Hollywood Brown Kyler Murray's. I think Kyler 367 00:19:11,359 --> 00:19:13,320 Speaker 1: Murray is a great quarterback. I'm not trying to ding 368 00:19:13,400 --> 00:19:16,280 Speaker 1: him here, but hey, you feel better about Hollywood Brown 369 00:19:16,320 --> 00:19:19,160 Speaker 1: with Kyler Murray? And I know they were former teammates 370 00:19:19,160 --> 00:19:20,919 Speaker 1: at Oklahoma and all that, or do you feel better 371 00:19:20,960 --> 00:19:23,000 Speaker 1: about him with Patrick Mahomes? Probably gonna feel better about 372 00:19:23,040 --> 00:19:26,119 Speaker 1: him with Patrick Mahomes because it's Patrick Mahomes. Like there's 373 00:19:26,160 --> 00:19:32,200 Speaker 1: a quarterback involved here, you know, it's Stefan Diggs with CJ. 374 00:19:32,359 --> 00:19:35,760 Speaker 1: Stroud feels a lot better than if they traded him 375 00:19:36,160 --> 00:19:40,600 Speaker 1: to let's just let's say, uh, New Orleans to pair 376 00:19:40,640 --> 00:19:42,560 Speaker 1: with Derek Carr. I feel better about him with c J. 377 00:19:42,680 --> 00:19:45,399 Speaker 1: Stroud than Derek Car. Like there's and that's my subtle 378 00:19:45,400 --> 00:19:51,080 Speaker 1: shot at Derek Carr because hey, what not Like while yeah, 379 00:19:51,400 --> 00:19:54,320 Speaker 1: there's like here, it's better than trading him to Denver 380 00:19:54,520 --> 00:19:57,159 Speaker 1: to pair him with a rookie in Bonnette, like you 381 00:19:57,200 --> 00:19:58,680 Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like you have to remember there's 382 00:19:58,680 --> 00:20:04,160 Speaker 1: a quarterback involved, so and there's an offensive scheme involved, 383 00:20:04,520 --> 00:20:07,080 Speaker 1: like you don't maybe DJ Chark. They just like the 384 00:20:07,119 --> 00:20:09,119 Speaker 1: big body and the long levers, and they think he's 385 00:20:09,160 --> 00:20:10,800 Speaker 1: gonna be able to block really well when he's out 386 00:20:10,840 --> 00:20:13,359 Speaker 1: there as well as just go that way really fast 387 00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:15,760 Speaker 1: if something gets in your way, turn, you know. And 388 00:20:16,160 --> 00:20:20,960 Speaker 1: that's and that maybe what's asked of him, like the 389 00:20:21,880 --> 00:20:26,520 Speaker 1: not everything that I can't say this enough, the Chiefs 390 00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:30,320 Speaker 1: didn't have a number two receiver on their roster, like 391 00:20:30,359 --> 00:20:33,200 Speaker 1: their number one receiver was a number three like Rashi. 392 00:20:33,359 --> 00:20:37,199 Speaker 1: Rice should be a number three in most offenses. And 393 00:20:37,240 --> 00:20:39,760 Speaker 1: that's why they drafted Xavier Worthy and traded for Hollywood 394 00:20:39,760 --> 00:20:43,240 Speaker 1: Brown because they know Rice is a three. Yet they 395 00:20:43,280 --> 00:20:45,880 Speaker 1: won the Super Bowl because he made offense this year, 396 00:20:45,920 --> 00:20:49,119 Speaker 1: by the way, yeah, exactly, because their defense was exceptional. 397 00:20:49,560 --> 00:20:53,919 Speaker 1: They've got a freaking brilliant tight end that may go 398 00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:56,200 Speaker 1: down as the greatest to have ever played the position. 399 00:20:56,840 --> 00:21:00,280 Speaker 1: And they had a running game, you know, defense, running 400 00:21:00,320 --> 00:21:03,480 Speaker 1: game tight end and a quarterback that when the chips 401 00:21:03,480 --> 00:21:06,000 Speaker 1: were down made place. They didn't they had a number 402 00:21:06,040 --> 00:21:09,320 Speaker 1: three receiver as their number one. So like it because 403 00:21:09,359 --> 00:21:11,159 Speaker 1: of the style of how they decide how they were 404 00:21:11,160 --> 00:21:15,240 Speaker 1: playing last year. So it's it's, you know, does it 405 00:21:15,359 --> 00:21:19,040 Speaker 1: move the needle? No, But I'm excited. They're investing money 406 00:21:19,359 --> 00:21:21,399 Speaker 1: and they're adding veteran bodies to the room, and I 407 00:21:21,440 --> 00:21:23,119 Speaker 1: want to see it in training camp when the pads 408 00:21:23,119 --> 00:21:25,280 Speaker 1: come on in some joint practices and stuff. I want 409 00:21:25,280 --> 00:21:27,000 Speaker 1: to see what it looks like and then it might 410 00:21:27,040 --> 00:21:29,240 Speaker 1: move the needle. When he does a double move and 411 00:21:29,240 --> 00:21:31,480 Speaker 1: takes the top off and he's got two steps on 412 00:21:31,520 --> 00:21:34,359 Speaker 1: a defender and Herbert drops it in after sixty five 413 00:21:34,440 --> 00:21:37,920 Speaker 1: air yards for an eighty yard touchdown. Then maybe it'll 414 00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:38,480 Speaker 1: move the needle. 415 00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:40,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, and then. 416 00:21:40,760 --> 00:21:42,600 Speaker 1: And that may never happen, but at least we'll have 417 00:21:42,680 --> 00:21:43,680 Speaker 1: given an opportunity to. 418 00:21:44,560 --> 00:21:48,199 Speaker 2: Well having a running game with Justin Herbert, something that 419 00:21:48,200 --> 00:21:52,360 Speaker 2: has not happened since he's been here. Mark Sleareth has 420 00:21:52,359 --> 00:21:54,280 Speaker 2: a podcast. You know, he's a he's a Bronco guy. 421 00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:58,479 Speaker 2: He's in Denver. He has been steadfast. Obviously he's an 422 00:21:58,480 --> 00:22:01,440 Speaker 2: offensive lineman, but he's been stef as is saying the 423 00:22:01,520 --> 00:22:04,160 Speaker 2: Chargers is gonna be a big problem this year because 424 00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:08,240 Speaker 2: of how they're shifting the focus to offensive line. He said, 425 00:22:08,280 --> 00:22:11,159 Speaker 2: tip of the spear. And the guy he was on with, 426 00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:13,240 Speaker 2: I forget his name, but he was like, well they 427 00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:16,400 Speaker 2: got rid of all his weapons. He do you think 428 00:22:16,440 --> 00:22:20,160 Speaker 2: that matters? Like Justin is gonna be protected, He's gonna 429 00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:22,560 Speaker 2: be protected in a way he's never been protected. He's 430 00:22:22,560 --> 00:22:25,400 Speaker 2: gonna have a running game. He's never had a running game. 431 00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:29,240 Speaker 2: And to your point, Money, like you've seen guys like 432 00:22:29,280 --> 00:22:31,760 Speaker 2: Tyreek Hill and some of these big name receivers like 433 00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:35,639 Speaker 2: Stefan Diggs in Buffalo. Eventually, you can't pay everybody. So 434 00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:38,159 Speaker 2: when you know, and DJ said this too before, like 435 00:22:38,520 --> 00:22:41,560 Speaker 2: when you know you have the guy, the franchise quarterback, 436 00:22:41,920 --> 00:22:44,480 Speaker 2: like you have to let the guy be the guy 437 00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:48,600 Speaker 2: and make others around him better. Like you can't have 438 00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:52,240 Speaker 2: Keenan and Mike with twenty five million dollars salaries on 439 00:22:52,280 --> 00:22:54,919 Speaker 2: the same roster. It's it's time to restructure it. So 440 00:22:56,600 --> 00:22:59,920 Speaker 2: I think people are still forgetting like, yeah, there's gonna 441 00:22:59,920 --> 00:23:03,320 Speaker 2: be running game, they're gonna protect Justin Herbert, but Justin 442 00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:06,840 Speaker 2: Herbert is still going to have to be Justin Herbert 443 00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:09,960 Speaker 2: in games, Like they're not going to just blow people 444 00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:12,520 Speaker 2: out in the first half with the running game, you know, 445 00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:15,320 Speaker 2: for sixteen seventeen games, He's still going to have to 446 00:23:15,320 --> 00:23:17,080 Speaker 2: show up in the second half and make the guys 447 00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:17,920 Speaker 2: around him better. 448 00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:21,760 Speaker 1: I'm glad you mentioned that. And I can't I can't 449 00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:23,880 Speaker 1: believe I'd never thought of it. I've been sitting here 450 00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:27,879 Speaker 1: doing the whole Andrew luck Stanford. It's and that's the 451 00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:31,960 Speaker 1: more apt comparison because it's Jim Harbaugh and it's a 452 00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:35,760 Speaker 1: superstar quarterback, and we saw what it looked like when 453 00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:38,480 Speaker 1: when Harbaugh got that and how he was able to 454 00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:40,719 Speaker 1: take the reins off and let Andrew throw it all 455 00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:43,159 Speaker 1: over the yard. But you just brought up the best comparison, 456 00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:47,240 Speaker 1: and it's well, it's not the best because obviously Elway 457 00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:50,159 Speaker 1: was far more accomplished. He had been to super Bowls. 458 00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:53,200 Speaker 1: He was widely acknowledged as the best quarterback in football. 459 00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:55,480 Speaker 1: It was either him. You know, everybody would say, well, look, 460 00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:58,280 Speaker 1: Montana's the winner, Marino's got the best arm. But if 461 00:23:58,280 --> 00:24:01,240 Speaker 1: you want the best all around physical specimen with the 462 00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:03,680 Speaker 1: biggest arm at court, you know whatever, at quarterback, it's Lway. 463 00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:07,440 Speaker 1: So I just pulled it up. Schlerath won two Super 464 00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:09,919 Speaker 1: Bowls with him, right, ninety seven ninety eight, here's your 465 00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:13,840 Speaker 1: first year that Shanahan commits to that run that wide 466 00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:18,400 Speaker 1: zone and Terrell Davis gets three hundred and sixty nine 467 00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:23,280 Speaker 1: carries for seventeen hundred fifty yards and fifteen touchdowns. You 468 00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:25,720 Speaker 1: know what John Elway did that year. He threw for 469 00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:29,760 Speaker 1: thirty six hundred and fifty yards and twenty seven touchdowns. 470 00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:32,760 Speaker 1: He was not neutralized by a running back that has 471 00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:35,120 Speaker 1: three hundred six And remember this is before the era 472 00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:38,960 Speaker 1: of five thousand yard pass he's probably a lot. Yeah, 473 00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:40,960 Speaker 1: he's still probably one of the leading passers in the league. 474 00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:43,680 Speaker 1: The very next year, they win the Super Bowl again. 475 00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:48,760 Speaker 1: Terrell Davis three hundred ninety two carries for two thousand 476 00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:53,040 Speaker 1: and eight yards and twenty one touchdowns. Elway only played 477 00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:56,679 Speaker 1: in twelve games, threw for twenty two touchdowns twenty eight 478 00:24:56,800 --> 00:25:01,000 Speaker 1: hundred yards. It's like it's still there, Like it's still 479 00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:02,960 Speaker 1: you know, Bubby Brister had to play in seven games 480 00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:05,000 Speaker 1: that year because Elway was at the end. He was, 481 00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:07,320 Speaker 1: you know, rode off into the sunset that year. But 482 00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:11,200 Speaker 1: the two can co exist. You can have a dominant 483 00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:15,520 Speaker 1: running game and a superstar quarterback that's going to throw 484 00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:19,639 Speaker 1: it all over the yard and and win Super Bowls. 485 00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:22,520 Speaker 1: I'm looking at his let's see what his uh where 486 00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:23,399 Speaker 1: is rod Smith? 487 00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:23,639 Speaker 2: Was? 488 00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:26,000 Speaker 1: Rod Smith is leader? Yeah? So rod Smith that year 489 00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:29,560 Speaker 1: eleven hundred eighty yards, twelve touchdowns. The year that the 490 00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:33,679 Speaker 1: TD went for seventeen fifty and fifteen touchdowns, rod Smith 491 00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:36,800 Speaker 1: nearly twelve hundred yards and twelve touchdowns. Like you can 492 00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:40,679 Speaker 1: still balance it because it helps because now you're freaking 493 00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:45,800 Speaker 1: out over Terrell Davis running the ball and Elway is 494 00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:48,000 Speaker 1: going to you know, is going to throw for thirty six, 495 00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:52,920 Speaker 1: thirty five and twenty seven touchdowns with see it's different 496 00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:55,879 Speaker 1: back then, QB rating of eighty seven point five and 497 00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:58,480 Speaker 1: complete fifty six percent of his pass The guy attempted 498 00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:03,960 Speaker 1: five hundred passes. Like you can, you know you can. 499 00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:06,880 Speaker 1: You can make it work. You can make it work. 500 00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:08,080 Speaker 1: You can make it balance. 501 00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:12,080 Speaker 2: Out, buddy. The football I grew up on was the 502 00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:15,840 Speaker 2: then Washington Redskins in the eighties and nineties. Joe Gibbs 503 00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:19,400 Speaker 2: started with the offensive line, started with the Hogs right, 504 00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:21,639 Speaker 2: and you could you could point to the eighties with 505 00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:24,879 Speaker 2: John Riggins, with with Terry Allen, in the nineties with 506 00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:29,400 Speaker 2: Ernest Beiner, Timmy Smith who had over two hundred yards 507 00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:32,359 Speaker 2: in the Super Bowl thirty five point second quarter. 508 00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:33,280 Speaker 1: Uh. 509 00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:36,720 Speaker 2: He did it with three different quarterbacks. But the system 510 00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:39,400 Speaker 2: was we're gonna run the ball down your throats. We're 511 00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:42,480 Speaker 2: gonna have a massive offensive line, and we're gonna set 512 00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:47,159 Speaker 2: everything up with play action and you're you're done, and 513 00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:49,320 Speaker 2: we're gonna run the ball. And you know what's coming too, 514 00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:51,840 Speaker 2: by the way, like you know this this play is 515 00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:55,639 Speaker 2: coming and you can't stop it, and from from Hayden 516 00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:57,959 Speaker 2: Hurst to all these other players who have talked about 517 00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:01,840 Speaker 2: how this is going to be a physical football team 518 00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:04,120 Speaker 2: where you're not gonna want to play us and you're 519 00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:07,800 Speaker 2: gonna have to play sixty minutes all sixty minutes in 520 00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:11,680 Speaker 2: order to win. Like I just I remember my childhood 521 00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:13,159 Speaker 2: growing up, and you know, I know that it was 522 00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:16,160 Speaker 2: a different era and free agency and there's so many 523 00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:21,240 Speaker 2: things different about the game today, but the physicality elements, 524 00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:25,160 Speaker 2: there's few teams in the NFL, like who who would 525 00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:27,960 Speaker 2: you consider like the two or three most like violent 526 00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:31,840 Speaker 2: physical football teams in the NFL the Raventimore, San Francisco, Baltimore, 527 00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:35,600 Speaker 2: San Francisco. Right, Baltimore, San Francisco are it? You know, 528 00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:38,560 Speaker 2: Philadelphia's up there certainly with with how much they run, 529 00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:39,760 Speaker 2: you know, then they got to get back to that 530 00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:41,240 Speaker 2: this year. They got away from it last year. Or 531 00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:44,560 Speaker 2: Jalen Hurts running and and just a downhill attack over 532 00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:46,719 Speaker 2: and over and over again. But yeah, San Francisco, especially 533 00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:49,320 Speaker 2: with the way they use their wide receivers and how 534 00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:52,040 Speaker 2: they're even their passing game is very physical. George You 535 00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:54,600 Speaker 2: think about George Kittle, how physical of a tight end. 536 00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:57,760 Speaker 2: He is, you know, and obviously Baltimore's the the no brainer. 537 00:27:57,800 --> 00:27:59,719 Speaker 2: There's there's Pittsburgh, but they're just not as good at it, 538 00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:01,840 Speaker 2: like the line. That's why they drafted, you know, their 539 00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:04,000 Speaker 2: top two picks were both old linemen, like they need 540 00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:05,639 Speaker 2: to fix that old line. They want to be that 541 00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:06,480 Speaker 2: physical team. 542 00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:10,200 Speaker 1: But yeah, it's those two and I think that's that's important, 543 00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:16,040 Speaker 1: right because they're both very successful and Baltimore between a 544 00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:21,040 Speaker 1: complete brain lapse from Zay Flowers and an absolutely brutal 545 00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:25,320 Speaker 1: interception that it's hard to imagine him deciding to throw 546 00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:29,359 Speaker 1: that ball by Lamar Jackson. You know, they lost that 547 00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:31,520 Speaker 1: game to the Chiefs, but they were in it. The 548 00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:33,399 Speaker 1: defense was in it, the running game kept him in it. 549 00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:37,919 Speaker 1: And you have a you know, just two horrible moments 550 00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:41,240 Speaker 1: and decisions by two players that likely led to the 551 00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:44,680 Speaker 1: to the end. I think the thing to point out 552 00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:48,120 Speaker 1: instead of us just talking about the the days when 553 00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:50,280 Speaker 1: we were younger and what football looked like and how 554 00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:53,080 Speaker 1: physical it was, it's hey, remember that's not what everybody 555 00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:56,440 Speaker 1: did they. I mean, we're talking about the Chargers here, 556 00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:59,480 Speaker 1: we're talking about her coreel Like there were teams that 557 00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:01,160 Speaker 1: spread it out out and threw it all over the 558 00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:04,160 Speaker 1: place as well. So that was still part of football 559 00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:07,560 Speaker 1: back then, you know, where you had the Dolphins and 560 00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:11,880 Speaker 1: Dan Marino and throwing it to Clayton and duper and 561 00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:16,720 Speaker 1: you had these teams that were airing it out, you know, 562 00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:20,160 Speaker 1: the Warren Moon Houston oilers that like, there were plenty 563 00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:23,320 Speaker 1: of the the K gun. You know with Jim Kelly, 564 00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:26,240 Speaker 1: that was a nice balanced offense where he had Andre Reid, 565 00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:28,920 Speaker 1: but he also had Derman Thomas like you had all 566 00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:33,840 Speaker 1: of these. Football is different, Like it's just it's that 567 00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:37,560 Speaker 1: you're never going to deviate too far from the core 568 00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:42,880 Speaker 1: philosophies because ultimately, and we've said it before on this podcast, 569 00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:47,840 Speaker 1: it comes down to two things, forward progress and preventing 570 00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:51,560 Speaker 1: forward progress. That's what this game is all about. However, 571 00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:55,680 Speaker 1: it is that you need to gain or prevent is 572 00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:58,840 Speaker 1: what will determine whether or not you win or lose games, 573 00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:01,920 Speaker 1: whether or not you succeed fail on an individual play 574 00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:04,840 Speaker 1: or in a quarter, or in a game or in 575 00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:09,520 Speaker 1: a season. And however you determine the best approach to that, 576 00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:12,320 Speaker 1: whether it's with a four to three front, a three 577 00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:15,200 Speaker 1: four front with a shell on top, to make you 578 00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:17,320 Speaker 1: have to dink and dunk your ways down with the 579 00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:23,120 Speaker 1: Brian Flores, Bill Belichick. You know, a Mieba defense blitz heavy. 580 00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:26,240 Speaker 1: You know, in the case of Flores zero, blitz is relentlessly. 581 00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:30,520 Speaker 1: It's whatever you choose, however you choose to approach it. 582 00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:33,560 Speaker 1: There's a few different variations in it, but ultimately you're 583 00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:36,080 Speaker 1: all trying to get to the same conclusion, and that 584 00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:38,800 Speaker 1: is you want to go this way and I'm not 585 00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:41,760 Speaker 1: going to let you, or I'm going that way. Good 586 00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:45,400 Speaker 1: luck stopping me. And you know you can choose to 587 00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:48,720 Speaker 1: do that however, however you see fit, whatever you think 588 00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:52,360 Speaker 1: is the wisest approach for what the current rules and 589 00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:56,520 Speaker 1: makeup of the league offer. And I firmly believe and 590 00:30:56,560 --> 00:30:59,560 Speaker 1: we've set it before that. Jim Harball looks at the 591 00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:04,400 Speaker 1: league's oft He looks at small linebackers and shells and 592 00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:08,600 Speaker 1: and these these Vic Fangio defenses with too high and 593 00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:10,760 Speaker 1: just keeping everything in front of me. He's like, I'm 594 00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:13,880 Speaker 1: I'm gonna ram it down their throats because they're just 595 00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:17,440 Speaker 1: not built to stop it. There's the way the game 596 00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:20,240 Speaker 1: has moved. There's not enough sand in the ass, so 597 00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:25,200 Speaker 1: these players to slow down, a physical right at you 598 00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:29,040 Speaker 1: tip of the spear. You know we're coming and there's 599 00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:30,479 Speaker 1: nothing you can do about it. Attack. 600 00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:34,080 Speaker 2: Do you remember Week one? I mean, this is the 601 00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:36,640 Speaker 2: charge already tried to You know, they were running the 602 00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:38,840 Speaker 2: football week one with Austin Eckler. They were getting like 603 00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:42,920 Speaker 2: huge chunks of yardage on vic Fangio's defense. And then 604 00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:46,400 Speaker 2: after that it's like they kind of went away from 605 00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:47,840 Speaker 2: it for the rest of the year. But like it 606 00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:50,080 Speaker 2: was that vic Fangio defense where they were giving them 607 00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:52,880 Speaker 2: the run and the charges were taking it and they 608 00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:56,840 Speaker 2: you know, but imagine imagine a Jim Harball led offense 609 00:31:57,200 --> 00:31:58,160 Speaker 2: and you're gonna give them that. 610 00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:02,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. And that's what's so exciting about this offense 611 00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:05,840 Speaker 1: with Justin Herbert as your quarterback is it's one thing 612 00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:07,760 Speaker 1: to do with to Lamar Jackson and commit all those 613 00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:10,640 Speaker 1: resources to shutting down the run because you're not necessarily 614 00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:13,680 Speaker 1: as afraid of his arm pushing it downfield. Now you're 615 00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:15,920 Speaker 1: afraid of his legs for sure, and that's how you 616 00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:19,040 Speaker 1: end up getting the defenses on their heels. But if 617 00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:22,440 Speaker 1: you're able to mix in you know, a dominant rush attack, 618 00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:24,720 Speaker 1: that's getting you four and a half to five yards 619 00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:32,280 Speaker 1: per clip with a legitimate MVP candidate, worthy MVP level quarterback. 620 00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:36,400 Speaker 1: It's a it is a terrifying task to take on 621 00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:40,360 Speaker 1: for defensive coordinators, and that's ultimately what you want to do, 622 00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:42,800 Speaker 1: right is put him in conflict, you know, put put 623 00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:47,480 Speaker 1: their decision making process in conflict. So they're overthinking everything 624 00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:50,320 Speaker 1: and they, you know, in turn, can't figure out an 625 00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:51,200 Speaker 1: answer to the test. 626 00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:55,040 Speaker 2: Because this week has been a little slower. I was 627 00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:57,840 Speaker 2: looking at some other podcasts. Joe Hortties was on Chris 628 00:32:57,840 --> 00:33:01,720 Speaker 2: Long Screenlight Podcasts, and Chris Long asked for a comp 629 00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:04,120 Speaker 2: to Lad Maconkey, and Joe's like, you know what, I 630 00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:07,920 Speaker 2: don't like to give comps, but but he does remind 631 00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:10,120 Speaker 2: me a little bit of a guy that we drafted 632 00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:13,480 Speaker 2: in Baltimore early in his tenure, Brandon Stokely. But he 633 00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:18,080 Speaker 2: just said much more explosive than Stokely, you know, And 634 00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:21,120 Speaker 2: I thought that was a cool comparison and a lot 635 00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:25,120 Speaker 2: of a lot of love for Lad. Here these last 636 00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:27,840 Speaker 2: couple of weeks from yeah, all side corners of the 637 00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:28,400 Speaker 2: media world. 638 00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:30,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, when you go look at the film, that's why 639 00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:35,720 Speaker 1: you see it, and that's something that that I to me, 640 00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:38,360 Speaker 1: We've talked about it. You know, it's route running. Give 641 00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:40,240 Speaker 1: me the route runner. Give me the guy that's leaving 642 00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:43,360 Speaker 1: dudes in the dust, that that's breaking ankles out there, 643 00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:45,640 Speaker 1: that is available for his quarterback. And when you look around, 644 00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:48,480 Speaker 1: there's nobody near him because his separation numbers are off 645 00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:51,360 Speaker 1: the charts. Like that's that's what I want to see. 646 00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:54,400 Speaker 1: That to me, is so much more translatable to the 647 00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:57,800 Speaker 1: NFL than anything else just because of the jump and play. 648 00:33:57,960 --> 00:33:59,880 Speaker 1: So that's why I think more more and more people 649 00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:02,880 Speaker 1: and again, who's throwing him the ball? You know, you 650 00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:07,000 Speaker 1: think about the Herbert Keenan Allen connection, and look, Keenan. 651 00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:10,200 Speaker 1: Keenan is a He's the best route runner in the game. 652 00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:12,400 Speaker 1: He's a master. His number is going to be retired 653 00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:14,680 Speaker 1: by the Chargers. I'm not trying to take anything away 654 00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:18,560 Speaker 1: from him, but at his current age and mileage, he's 655 00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:22,360 Speaker 1: not the explosive player that he once was. So while 656 00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:24,640 Speaker 1: Lad's got a long way to go to catch up 657 00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:27,520 Speaker 1: with that level of route running, he's got the foundation 658 00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:32,000 Speaker 1: and he's got a you know, three hundred percent more 659 00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:35,040 Speaker 1: explosiveness to his game that when that ball is in 660 00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:37,040 Speaker 1: his hands, He's gone. You know, when Keenan caught the ball, 661 00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:41,240 Speaker 1: he's going down just because you know that particular physical 662 00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:45,000 Speaker 1: attribute is left. It's it's it's changed dramatically. Of course, 663 00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:46,520 Speaker 1: you take the amount of hits and you play the 664 00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:48,040 Speaker 1: amount of games that he's played and you get to 665 00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:50,080 Speaker 1: that age, then yeah, some stuff's going to go away. 666 00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:53,520 Speaker 1: Lads still got that, Like, Okay, now I've created this separation. 667 00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:55,800 Speaker 1: I've caught the ball and I've got four to three speed, 668 00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:59,320 Speaker 1: and now I've taken a quick you know, hitch or 669 00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:01,359 Speaker 1: a quick out that was going to go for eight 670 00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:04,239 Speaker 1: yards eighteen yards because I've got that gear and that 671 00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:07,680 Speaker 1: ability to turn up field immediately. So that's why there's 672 00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:10,799 Speaker 1: I think there's so much excitement surrounding it because you 673 00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:14,080 Speaker 1: really can you can really let your mind wander with 674 00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:15,840 Speaker 1: you know, with what Herbert and he are going to 675 00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:17,960 Speaker 1: be able to accomplish based on what Herbert's been able 676 00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:21,160 Speaker 1: to do in his past with a player like Keenan Allen. 677 00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:23,720 Speaker 2: Next week we're gonna have a lot to talk about 678 00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:27,319 Speaker 2: with rookie Minnichamp coming to a close recapt that. But 679 00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:29,960 Speaker 2: the big main event is a schedule release, money and 680 00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:33,480 Speaker 2: I don't know how many games the Charge are gonna 681 00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:36,400 Speaker 2: have on primetime to start. Would you want to guess? 682 00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:40,440 Speaker 2: And how about we do this? How about we guess 683 00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:44,720 Speaker 2: how many and which ones and we'll see how close 684 00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:46,839 Speaker 2: we are next Wednesday night. 685 00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:50,280 Speaker 1: Well, I know people are going to say I'm crazy, 686 00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:56,000 Speaker 1: but I just I feel like the kickoff to the season. 687 00:35:56,880 --> 00:36:00,440 Speaker 1: I think about those interviews, you know, how it's this massive, 688 00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:04,480 Speaker 1: like two hour presentation, and obviously you're gonna have Patrick 689 00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:07,719 Speaker 1: Mahomes and Travis Kelcey and Andy Reed, so you have stars. 690 00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:11,920 Speaker 1: But I think about the potential matchups, right, So the 691 00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:16,080 Speaker 1: ones that are mentioned the most are Baltimore, Cincinnati, Houston, 692 00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:20,560 Speaker 1: And I'm like, Okay, I get it, but we've kind 693 00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:23,360 Speaker 1: of seen this Baltimore Kansas City movie before, and I 694 00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:25,359 Speaker 1: think that's better for down the line. Are these two 695 00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:30,040 Speaker 1: teams like jockeying for the number one seed? You want 696 00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:34,560 Speaker 1: that in like week ten twelve. You know, Cincinnati's interesting 697 00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:39,840 Speaker 1: because Burrows coming back? What was that? So that leads 698 00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:42,759 Speaker 1: to but then I think about Zach Taylor, who's not 699 00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:48,200 Speaker 1: a very dynamic personality. So Houston they just did that 700 00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:50,279 Speaker 1: as the opener like two three years ago. You know 701 00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:53,200 Speaker 1: that was the opener was a Houston Kansas City game, 702 00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:57,359 Speaker 1: And I know Stroud's exciting and Demiko's very dynamic personality, 703 00:36:57,440 --> 00:37:02,560 Speaker 1: so that works. I just think about you've got Jim 704 00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:05,000 Speaker 1: Harbass sitting in front of you for you know what 705 00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:07,919 Speaker 1: I mean, Like it's NBC and it's Jim Harbass sitting 706 00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:11,640 Speaker 1: with Tony Dungee talking ball or whoever he's gonna sit with. 707 00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:13,560 Speaker 1: Is Tony Dungee still on that broadcast? I think he 708 00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:15,960 Speaker 1: is right, he's yeh football, he's I think he's on 709 00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:19,640 Speaker 1: the things at the studio. He'll probably be there thirst 710 00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:20,920 Speaker 1: But you know what I mean, like you've got him 711 00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:25,080 Speaker 1: sitting with the coach and they're talking ball, and and 712 00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:28,320 Speaker 1: you got Justin Herbert like to me, it just it 713 00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:33,520 Speaker 1: and you you don't necessarily want that, you know, prospective 714 00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:36,680 Speaker 1: vine for the number one seed in the AFC matchup 715 00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:38,799 Speaker 1: in Week one, that's not what you're looking for. Those 716 00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:40,719 Speaker 1: are the you know the Cincinnati is off that you know, 717 00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:42,879 Speaker 1: the way the Chargers are projected, what they're over under 718 00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:46,640 Speaker 1: is they're not projected to be in that conversation this year. 719 00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:49,560 Speaker 1: So I just think that lines up. I think the 720 00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:52,280 Speaker 1: kickoff lines up for the Chargers to play the Chiefs 721 00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:54,839 Speaker 1: in Kansas City. I really do. That's that's the one 722 00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:57,279 Speaker 1: thing I'm gonna stick my neck out on. In terms 723 00:37:57,280 --> 00:38:01,680 Speaker 1: of how many, I don't know. You know, four would 724 00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:05,000 Speaker 1: be my guest. You're guaranteed a Thursday night, you're guaranteed 725 00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:08,960 Speaker 1: a Monday night. Can they get one more Monday and Sunday? 726 00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:11,880 Speaker 1: I think so. I think Harball and Herbert, to me, 727 00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:16,040 Speaker 1: four makes probably the most sense. And I don't I 728 00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:19,600 Speaker 1: don't know about holidays. I don't know. I don't know 729 00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:21,080 Speaker 1: if it's holidays. 730 00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:26,240 Speaker 2: I could see the Thanksgiving Harball Brothers being a potential 731 00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:29,239 Speaker 2: holiday like that. Yeah, that's a good one night, I think. Yeah, 732 00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:31,960 Speaker 2: that's a really good one. That's the only holiday that 733 00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:32,480 Speaker 2: I could see. 734 00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:33,719 Speaker 1: That's a great call. 735 00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:38,919 Speaker 2: You know, family football. You know who's got Jackie out? 736 00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:41,839 Speaker 1: You know, and you can have that sit down with 737 00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:44,840 Speaker 1: with dad and the two sons, you know, brothers. You 738 00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:47,279 Speaker 1: get to spend the day before thanksget you know, did 739 00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:49,200 Speaker 1: you guys hang out together? What are you doing after 740 00:38:49,239 --> 00:38:50,200 Speaker 1: the game? Are you getting? You know? 741 00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:52,279 Speaker 2: That kind of thing is Yeah, that's a great call, 742 00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:55,160 Speaker 2: that's it. I can see that good call the Chiefs 743 00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:57,200 Speaker 2: the chief man. I would love I would love for 744 00:38:57,239 --> 00:39:00,920 Speaker 2: the NFL season to start with Chargers Chiefs. Yeah, a 745 00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:05,480 Speaker 2: new chapter, a new chapter of Chargers Chiefs. And who 746 00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:07,520 Speaker 2: they played last YEARY played the Lions last year. That 747 00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:11,319 Speaker 2: was a weird game because Chris Jones was like not playing. 748 00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:15,319 Speaker 1: The Lions one. Yeah, that was uh but you know, 749 00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:17,480 Speaker 1: and that's I think that speaks to kind of what 750 00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:20,319 Speaker 1: I'm getting to right where the Lions were kind of 751 00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:25,360 Speaker 1: that up and coming team, super interesting head coach. It's like, 752 00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:29,000 Speaker 1: that's the sort of team that kicks off the season. 753 00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:31,879 Speaker 1: It's not the oh yeah, these are the two teams 754 00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:34,200 Speaker 1: that are going to be duking it out, and you 755 00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:37,440 Speaker 1: know in the AFC Championship game, that's just not what 756 00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:39,440 Speaker 1: you typically see in the Week one. That's why I 757 00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:42,239 Speaker 1: think there's a real good shot that we get that. 758 00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:44,680 Speaker 1: I had I had a gut feeling we were going 759 00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:47,680 Speaker 1: to get Germany with the Panthers. But now the more 760 00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:50,160 Speaker 1: I think about it, I don't I don't know if 761 00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:52,799 Speaker 1: that's I don't know if that's in the cards. I 762 00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:55,280 Speaker 1: thought maybe it was would. 763 00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:57,080 Speaker 2: Be the only potential international right case. 764 00:39:57,040 --> 00:39:58,719 Speaker 1: It's the only one that it's the only one. Yeah, 765 00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:01,000 Speaker 1: that's the only one that's available because it's a Panther's 766 00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:05,440 Speaker 1: home game. We're going to Carolina. You could do the 767 00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:07,799 Speaker 1: whole back to back because we do have a lot 768 00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:10,920 Speaker 1: of games on the East Coast. You know, the flight 769 00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:13,520 Speaker 1: to Munich from like if we played the if the 770 00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:16,759 Speaker 1: Chargers played the Patriots the week before, the flight to 771 00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:20,720 Speaker 1: Munich from Boston is like seven and a half hours. 772 00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:23,720 Speaker 1: You know, you fly from here, it's eleven and a half. 773 00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:27,320 Speaker 1: So you could do that. You could play the Patriots, 774 00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:31,560 Speaker 1: hop the pond, you know, do the tour of Germany 775 00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:35,040 Speaker 1: with Herbert and Harbaugh, these two huge stars to spread 776 00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:38,080 Speaker 1: the game internationally. You know. That's where that sort of 777 00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:39,960 Speaker 1: kind of came into mind for me, is like, yeah, 778 00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:43,760 Speaker 1: that's you got two bona fide superstars that are walking 779 00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:47,080 Speaker 1: around out here. That are you know with Derwin, like, 780 00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:49,760 Speaker 1: you've got great star power to walk around the city 781 00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:53,360 Speaker 1: and really move that needle. So that I think is 782 00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:55,040 Speaker 1: in the I think it's in play. I just I 783 00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:57,000 Speaker 1: don't know. For some reason, I don't feel as good 784 00:40:57,040 --> 00:41:01,520 Speaker 1: about it now as I did before. So So let 785 00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:03,919 Speaker 1: me look at their let me look at their let's 786 00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:04,840 Speaker 1: just pull up their opponents. 787 00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:06,920 Speaker 2: Real, I'm gonna go easy. I'm gonna say five okay, 788 00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:07,840 Speaker 2: and I'm gonna say. 789 00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:10,880 Speaker 1: That's big, man. I know, but it's big for a 790 00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:11,640 Speaker 1: five win team. 791 00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:14,200 Speaker 2: I know. But I don't think that they think that 792 00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:16,040 Speaker 2: of the Charges as a five win team. I think 793 00:41:16,080 --> 00:41:18,160 Speaker 2: the Jim Harball thing is gonna move the needle because 794 00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:22,480 Speaker 2: of the person. Like, Okay, Chiefs for sure, Ravens for sure. 795 00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:25,840 Speaker 2: I'm going out on a limb and saying, Burrow Herbert, 796 00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:28,400 Speaker 2: Sunday Night football, Monday Night football. 797 00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:30,960 Speaker 1: I think that those are all Yeah, that's those are 798 00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:32,799 Speaker 1: two home games, Ravens Bengals. 799 00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:36,040 Speaker 2: And then and then let's go to Vegas. Let's go 800 00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:40,120 Speaker 2: to Vegas for the REMA for that for the the 801 00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:44,040 Speaker 2: revenge game against Tom Telesco Antonio Peers in the Las 802 00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:47,360 Speaker 2: Vegas Race. Yeah, and then so the fifth one, the 803 00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:49,240 Speaker 2: fifth one is an asterisk. I just want to see 804 00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:52,359 Speaker 2: I want to see Peyton and Harball on primetime, right, 805 00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:54,640 Speaker 2: I want to see those two coaches. 806 00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:57,160 Speaker 1: I just think they're too far away in terms of like, 807 00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:03,600 Speaker 1: I don't know that could be an yeah, Denver, Denver, 808 00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:06,719 Speaker 1: La could be a Monday nighter, you know, that could 809 00:42:06,719 --> 00:42:09,600 Speaker 1: be like the doubleheader kickoff, although I don't know. I 810 00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:11,560 Speaker 1: just feel like those teams are they would look at 811 00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:14,840 Speaker 1: as these two teams are too far away. Uh, Steelers 812 00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:18,399 Speaker 1: Chargers at Pittsburgh could be interesting. You know you've got 813 00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:21,239 Speaker 1: star power there with Tomlin and Harbaugh to you know, 814 00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:25,520 Speaker 1: rough and tumble, physical coaches. You know you could yet 815 00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:29,520 Speaker 1: Russell Wilson or Justin Fields versus Herbert Like, there's there's 816 00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:34,520 Speaker 1: something there. So I'm gonna I'm gonna stick with four. 817 00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:37,640 Speaker 1: I'm gonna stick four primetime. And maybe that's just wishful thinking. 818 00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:43,920 Speaker 1: Four primetime and uh and the opener and the opener, 819 00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:47,000 Speaker 1: and and I think Germany's still in play. I think 820 00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:50,000 Speaker 1: I think we're probably second, or see what the Panthers 821 00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:50,959 Speaker 1: possibilities are. 822 00:42:52,680 --> 00:42:55,520 Speaker 2: The reason I say five is because if it doesn't 823 00:42:55,560 --> 00:42:56,719 Speaker 2: work out at the end of the year, they can 824 00:42:56,760 --> 00:43:00,520 Speaker 2: flex you out. But getting Harball on the books, Let's 825 00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:04,759 Speaker 2: get Jim on the books, right, and they they can 826 00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:09,759 Speaker 2: also flex in too. Exactly. Denver Chargers early in the 827 00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:12,280 Speaker 2: year I think would make sense on prime time because 828 00:43:12,520 --> 00:43:15,719 Speaker 2: you know it's not you're not I don't think Denver's 829 00:43:16,120 --> 00:43:19,839 Speaker 2: gonna win more than nine games this year. 830 00:43:20,239 --> 00:43:24,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm trying to figure out who the Panthers could 831 00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:25,839 Speaker 1: take because I mean, that's why I'm saying it could 832 00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:28,080 Speaker 1: line up. I don't think they're gonna they won't make 833 00:43:28,080 --> 00:43:32,440 Speaker 1: it a division game. So then you've got Giants, Cowboys. 834 00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:34,360 Speaker 1: They're not gonna make the Cowboys go to Germany. The 835 00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:37,120 Speaker 1: Panthers want that home game. They want all that money. 836 00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:39,520 Speaker 1: So same with the Giants. You're gonna want all that 837 00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:41,839 Speaker 1: home money, you know, I think. So. Then you've got 838 00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:45,839 Speaker 1: the Cardinals, Chiefs Patrick Mahomes, they were just their last year. 839 00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:56,040 Speaker 1: That's out Cardinals, excuse uh? So it's Bengals they played, 840 00:43:56,080 --> 00:43:58,800 Speaker 1: you know, they play the Bengals, the Chargers, the Chiefs 841 00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:04,480 Speaker 1: AFC out of division. They played the Cardinals, Cowboys, Giants 842 00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:08,440 Speaker 1: out of division. Like to me, again, Chargers are right 843 00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:09,879 Speaker 1: up there for Germany bad. 844 00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:15,080 Speaker 2: What's it's probably Chargers, Cardinals, Bengals or the three top three. 845 00:44:15,520 --> 00:44:17,520 Speaker 1: That'd be my guess. Yeah. And didn't the Cardinals just 846 00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:21,400 Speaker 1: go international or maybe not? I thought they didn't. 847 00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:22,480 Speaker 2: Maybe I don't know if they did. 848 00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:25,839 Speaker 1: Know, So that's you know, I think that you look 849 00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:29,640 Speaker 1: at Burrow Herbert, those are your stars walking around Germany 850 00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:32,840 Speaker 1: taking your photos making moving the needle, because the Panther's 851 00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:34,719 Speaker 1: got nothing to move the needle. So you need that 852 00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:39,239 Speaker 1: opponent to be the team that really gets gets that 853 00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:41,880 Speaker 1: thing moving over there in Germany. You know, it's not 854 00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:44,439 Speaker 1: like London, where we know there's a built in fan base. 855 00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:46,560 Speaker 1: People are ready, they love it, they come no matter what. 856 00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:48,680 Speaker 1: But like you're trying to get this Germany thing going, 857 00:44:48,719 --> 00:44:51,040 Speaker 1: and you gave them the Chiefs last year. I think 858 00:44:51,040 --> 00:44:53,480 Speaker 1: it's Chiefs Dolphins last year right in Germany is what 859 00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:55,239 Speaker 1: it was. 860 00:44:56,160 --> 00:44:59,279 Speaker 2: Yeah, so's it would be a Bradley Boseman, Hayden Hurst, 861 00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:00,800 Speaker 2: DJ Shark Bench Game. 862 00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:03,640 Speaker 1: Oil Boy look Out talking about motivating. 863 00:45:03,719 --> 00:45:07,440 Speaker 2: You know, it's funny hay Hayden has played for the Bengals, 864 00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:10,319 Speaker 2: the Ravens, the Falcons, and the Panthers are all they're 865 00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:11,920 Speaker 2: all on the schedule this year. He's gonna play all 866 00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:15,480 Speaker 2: four team exactly exactly. That's a great call. It's a 867 00:45:15,520 --> 00:45:18,160 Speaker 2: great call. All Right, we're done. 868 00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:18,640 Speaker 1: You know what. 869 00:45:18,680 --> 00:45:21,000 Speaker 2: We went forty five minutes on this and uh, not 870 00:45:21,080 --> 00:45:23,680 Speaker 2: a ton going on. But uh, I'm excited about next week. 871 00:45:23,719 --> 00:45:26,239 Speaker 2: We'll see if money's right with his four I think 872 00:45:26,239 --> 00:45:28,279 Speaker 2: Four is pride the magic number. I said five just 873 00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:32,040 Speaker 2: because I wanted the peyton harbormb getting h getting a 874 00:45:32,080 --> 00:45:34,480 Speaker 2: little too much there, I think. 875 00:45:34,520 --> 00:45:36,480 Speaker 1: And hey, if it's three and you got to earn 876 00:45:36,520 --> 00:45:38,560 Speaker 1: it on a flex, got no problem with that either. 877 00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:39,480 Speaker 1: They'll earn it. 878 00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:42,560 Speaker 2: Yep, they'll learn it all right for money. I'm Chris. 879 00:45:42,560 --> 00:45:44,640 Speaker 2: This has been charged weekly. We'll see you next week.