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Speaker 1: Hey, guys, welcome to I've never said this before with

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Speaker 1: me Tommy di Dario. Today's guest is the brilliantly talented

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Speaker 1: and may I add, quite a badass, Karen Fukuhara. Now Karen,

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Speaker 1: of course, stars in Amazon's Emmy nominated series The Boys,

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Speaker 1: which is well taking the world over by storm. The

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Speaker 1: finale of season four recently dropped. And get this, the

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Speaker 1: fourth season has had over fifty five million viewers and

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Speaker 1: counting since it premiered a few weeks ago. So if

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Speaker 1: you have not had the immense pleasure of watching The

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Speaker 1: Boys yet, the short version is that it's about a

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Speaker 1: group of vigilantes set out to take down corrupt superheroes

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Speaker 1: who abuse their superpowers. Karen plays Camiko and is the

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Speaker 1: show's only woman of vigilante. Considered well one of the boys,

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Speaker 1: her character is so damn cool. She has regenerative abilities

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Speaker 1: and superhuman strength, and simply put, she helps take down

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Speaker 1: the bad guys. She communicates through sign language and has

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Speaker 1: a journey that, oh quite often brings me to tears. Now,

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Speaker 1: I want to make it very clear that this episode

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Speaker 1: has loads of spoilers in it, So if you're not

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Speaker 1: caught up with the series. You may want to save

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Speaker 1: this conversation for another day, but make sure you come back.

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Speaker 1: It's really good. So let's see if today we can

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Speaker 1: get Karen to say something that she has never said before. Karen,

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Speaker 1: how are you, my friend? It is so good to

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Speaker 1: see you.

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Speaker 2: Hi. Thank you so much for having me.

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Speaker 1: Well, I have to tell you have been one of

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Speaker 1: the most requested guests to come on my show. Like,

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Speaker 1: people have been tweeting me and dming writing and yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm not even kidding, They're like, you need to get

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Speaker 1: her on, Like what is wrong with you? So here

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Speaker 1: we are.

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Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, I can't believe that.

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Speaker 3: That's mind blowing, awesome, awesome, I'm really happy to be

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Speaker 3: chatting with you. Oh.

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Speaker 1: Likewise, likewise, clearly your role on The Boys means so

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Speaker 1: much to so many people. And I mean, I have

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Speaker 1: to tell you you're one of my favorite characters. Of course,

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Speaker 1: you know Kimiko is so powerful. Of course she's mute,

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Speaker 1: but you play her in all of these beautiful nonverbal ways,

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Speaker 1: the expressions, the slight eye movements. I mean, I'm not

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Speaker 1: kidding you, like I'm going to give you my bill

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Speaker 1: for Kleenex because you bring me to two multiple times

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Speaker 1: throughout the course of watching the show. So I guess

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Speaker 1: my first question is did you have any fears stepping

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Speaker 1: into a role that was so heavily nonverbal, because that's

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Speaker 1: a very different role for you.

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Speaker 3: That is the kindest opening.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I love playing this character so so much.

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Speaker 3: I think in the beginning, when I first got the

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Speaker 3: email for my audition, I was a little confused because,

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Speaker 3: you know, the sides only consisted of me doing reading

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Speaker 3: the stage directions or acting out.

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Speaker 2: For the stage direction.

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Speaker 3: Then obviously there was no real dialogue from my end,

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Speaker 3: and my character was also not in the pilot episode,

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Speaker 3: so it was really confused. But I got to working

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Speaker 3: on it after reading that Beth Rogen's name was attached

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Speaker 3: kind of trusted the project itself, and then luckily got

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Speaker 3: through the auditioning process and was chosen. But honestly, like

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Speaker 3: your desk often.

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Speaker 1: Were you hoping that eventually the character would become verbal, Like,

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Speaker 1: was that a big thing for you in the initial

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Speaker 3: Definitely was a big question throughout and at the top

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Speaker 3: She doesn't speak at all, not even sign language, and yeah,

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Speaker 3: I think I had a conversation with Kripkey about it,

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Speaker 3: take it in. Yeah, I had no idea. In the

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Speaker 3: original comic books, she really never speaks until the very

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Speaker 3: I quickly realized that sign language is a language and

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Speaker 1: You know, it's funny because being someone who of course

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Speaker 1: have moments for you let out a noise or a

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Speaker 3: Yes, it usually happens when French she is saying a

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Speaker 3: all of the funny moments in our scenes, and he's

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Speaker 3: so and his delivery is just like comedy gold. So yeah,

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Speaker 3: I do find myself laughing in some of the scenes. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: the earlier seasons, I couldn't stop laughing at his line

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Speaker 3: when he says catness, it's like Ketney's. And he couldn't

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Speaker 3: and I think it was maybe Krimky who was directing it.

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Speaker 3: He said, hey, can you add this line and to

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Speaker 3: like who is canness? And so he but yeah, it

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Speaker 1: So funny and that made you like slightly break character

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Speaker 2: For sure. Luckily it's usually when I'm not on camera.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, so season three, you and French, who were

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Speaker 1: Season four, you know, there was a little rift between

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Speaker 1: the audience to see that. How was that changed for

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it was different, I think. You know, in season

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Speaker 3: three we really see them come together, and especially with

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Speaker 2: But definitely sad. You know, friend, she's my guy.

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Speaker 3: So a lot happens then.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well it all led up to that insane moment

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Speaker 1: when we hear your no and it's like this again,

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Speaker 1: Like give me the Kleenex. I can't handle it. That

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Speaker 1: moment was so damn powerful for you to be able

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Speaker 1: to finally vocalize something. Was that just an incredible moment

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Speaker 3: It was. I mean I was nervous leading up to it.

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Speaker 3: I you know, I spoke with speech therapists. I wanted

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Speaker 3: and I think it was because of the scenes previous

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and then you know Jack and Huey.

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Speaker 3: then the music, the Nirvana, the song. It just I

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Speaker 3: it crescendos into like a great cliffhanger beating.

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Speaker 1: Up to that scene. Were you like walking around your

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Speaker 3: I definitely practiced, but I think I practiced enough, but

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Speaker 3: I don't know. Something as gutturals that I kind of

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Speaker 3: thought that would be like more accurate because she hadn't

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Speaker 3: vocal cords are not quite there yet. You know. I

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I feel like there's so much preparation that you can do,

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Speaker 3: but then at times you just need to like let

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Speaker 1: Karen, you strike me as an extreme endpath, Is that right?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: I would say that, Yeah, are you a fortune teller?

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Speaker 1: Maybe maybe I have a cybe career. I could be,

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Speaker 1: but I don't know. I just I feel it with

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Speaker 1: you when I see your work, when I see you acting,

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Speaker 1: especially acting through so much nonverbal communication, even talking to

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Speaker 1: you today, I get the feeling that you're so brilliant

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Speaker 1: in this role. Well because you're such a gifted artist,

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Speaker 1: but also because you really truly can feel and take

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Speaker 1: on like other people's emotions and feelings around you, which

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Speaker 1: not everybody has that. And sometimes it's a blessing. Sometimes

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Speaker 1: it's a curse because you feel all the time. But

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Speaker 1: I don't know, I kind of get that vibe with you.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you're very spot on. Yeah I cry with all

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Speaker 3: emotional movies. In Japan has some great commercials that can

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Speaker 3: and like want to have a hang that's who Like,

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Speaker 3: that's the LA one. And then and then we have

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Speaker 3: one with Kripke, and then we have like a girls

439
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Speaker 3: one and it's called the Estrogen Nights because whenever we

440
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Speaker 3: hang out.

441
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Speaker 2: We're like, should we have another Estrogen Night?

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Speaker 3: And which involves like ordering takeout and just chatting away

443
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Speaker 3: with a wine in hand, and it is like the

444
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Speaker 3: most lovely I don't know, it like really fills your heart,

445
00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:42,600
Speaker 3: you know, when you can be in like comfy clothes

446
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Speaker 3: at home and having good chats.

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Speaker 1: So who texts the most? Like there's always one person

448
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Speaker 1: in a group chat you're like, all right, you're you're

449
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Speaker 1: we love you. But it's a little over the top,

450
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Speaker 1: you know.

451
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Speaker 3: I don't think I don't think we have anyone like that.

452
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Speaker 3: I will say that everyone in the group chat respond,

453
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Speaker 3: which is like on heard, there's always like a few

454
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Speaker 3: people that leave the chat, you know, they're like yeah, yeah.

455
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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah.

456
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Speaker 3: And whenever you're going on in a group trip or

457
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Speaker 3: something or like a wedding and like you get like

458
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Speaker 3: fifty messages, there's someone that's like so and so has

459
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Speaker 3: just left the chat, but no, everyone's in it, you know,

460
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Speaker 3: whenever someone asks something, everyone So.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I love that that family vibe that always makes it.

462
00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:33,000
Speaker 1: I think as an audience member that much more rewarding

463
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Speaker 1: to watch shows that you get really invested in because

464
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Speaker 1: it's like, oh cool, they're actually like all really good friends,

465
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Speaker 1: because we all know not everyone you work with all

466
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Speaker 1: the time becomes family. That's just the way of life.

467
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Speaker 1: So it's it's cool to hear that. I think that's amazing.

468
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Speaker 1: Do you ever need to take a minute after filming

469
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Speaker 1: this series? Because it is pretty dark at times, and

470
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Speaker 1: it is pretty intense and mentally, I imagine it can be

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Speaker 1: a lot. So I guess my question is how do

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Speaker 1: you take care of your mental health when you're going

473
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Speaker 1: through such an intense and rigorous process that's dealing with

474
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Speaker 1: such heavy subject matter too?

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Speaker 2: Totally totally.

476
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Speaker 3: I think therapy is a big thing. I started it

477
00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:15,640
Speaker 3: maybe two years ago and on and off. But I'm

478
00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:20,280
Speaker 3: lucky in that my process doesn't really take home the work.

479
00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:23,920
Speaker 3: I know that a lot of actors have a hard

480
00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:29,520
Speaker 3: time separating, you know, the emotional moments of the character

481
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Speaker 3: with their personal life. But I can usually like snap

482
00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:36,439
Speaker 3: right out of it once the Venus shot. One moment

483
00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:41,480
Speaker 3: that was difficult for me was when a spoiler alert

484
00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:48,919
Speaker 3: when Butcher truly reveals who he is by uh in

485
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Speaker 3: the last episode, by kind of I'll just say it.

486
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Speaker 2: My killing Newman.

487
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Speaker 3: There was a moment while we were shooting where Carl

488
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Speaker 3: really he was the character. He was Butcher in that moment,

489
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Speaker 3: and it was even though it was my friend Carl

490
00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:10,879
Speaker 3: Urban playing the character and I know in my brain

491
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Speaker 3: that that's Carl. For like that one take, I truly

492
00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:21,080
Speaker 3: really saw someone else there that was completely unbeknownst to me,

493
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Speaker 3: just pure I don't know, it's just someone you know,

494
00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:28,480
Speaker 3: when you like see someone that you haven't seen in

495
00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:33,320
Speaker 3: a while and unfortunately they've just like become someone completely

496
00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:35,639
Speaker 3: different and you don't know them. And sometimes it's a

497
00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:37,679
Speaker 3: good thing, and sometimes it's like good change, but like

498
00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:41,120
Speaker 3: sometimes there's a bad change. I felt that in that

499
00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:43,800
Speaker 3: scene and I was shaken for the rest of the

500
00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:47,480
Speaker 3: night and then snapped right back into be careen. But

501
00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:51,520
Speaker 3: like it shook me, honestly, and that's just a true

502
00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:55,280
Speaker 3: testament to how good of an actor Carl is. Yeah,

503
00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:58,000
Speaker 3: that was a that was a big moment in the

504
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Speaker 3: last episode.

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Speaker 1: I imagine it's pretty intense, so it's good to hear that,

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00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:05,040
Speaker 1: you know, you take time to focus on yourself and

507
00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:07,600
Speaker 1: your mental health, whether it's therapy off and on, or

508
00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:10,920
Speaker 1: just kind of detaching from the work of the day, which,

509
00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:12,919
Speaker 1: by the way, I think in any profession it's so

510
00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:15,600
Speaker 1: important to do that. You got to go home and

511
00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:15,960
Speaker 1: kind of.

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Speaker 2: Unwind, right, totally, totally, totally. I love therapy. A lot

513
00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:22,520
Speaker 2: of times you just like.

514
00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:27,000
Speaker 3: Want someone to tell you if you're fucking up. You know,

515
00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:31,320
Speaker 3: I need someone to like put me in check, like hey,

516
00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:34,240
Speaker 3: you need to calm down, or like you need to

517
00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:36,840
Speaker 3: think about this a different way. And it's always good

518
00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:39,800
Speaker 3: to have a different perspective. So there's great.

519
00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:49,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure, for sure. And I know that through

520
00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:52,480
Speaker 1: the show, having the representation of being one of the

521
00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:56,760
Speaker 1: first female Asian superheroes is super important to you when

522
00:27:56,760 --> 00:28:00,679
Speaker 1: you're opening the door for many people to come, you know,

523
00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:03,719
Speaker 1: behind you and kick through that door as well. So

524
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Speaker 1: I imagine that you have a lot of pride not just

525
00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:08,639
Speaker 1: being part of a show that means so much to

526
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Speaker 1: so many people, but also for representing such an underrepresented community, right.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, one hundred percent. You know, in the beginning of

528
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Speaker 3: my career, I got to play a Japanese superhero named

529
00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:28,399
Speaker 3: Katana for DC Comics, and I think that was the

530
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Speaker 3: first time I experienced being sort of a representative right

531
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Speaker 3: of Asians in media, Asians in Hollywood, And it came

532
00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:42,480
Speaker 3: as a shock to me in the beginning because I

533
00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:45,360
Speaker 3: didn't really think about it right up until that point.

534
00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:48,200
Speaker 3: I was just trying to like get work and be

535
00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:51,880
Speaker 3: an actor, be a working actor, and so I didn't

536
00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:56,800
Speaker 3: realize that that it meant that me playing characters like

537
00:28:56,840 --> 00:29:00,800
Speaker 3: these actually like means something to anyone else there other

538
00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:04,560
Speaker 3: than the world that the story was in. And so

539
00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:07,480
Speaker 3: from then on, I just I just hope that I'm

540
00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:11,760
Speaker 3: doing my people just I think it's always good to

541
00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:15,719
Speaker 3: have representation, and there's still not enough of it, but

542
00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:21,000
Speaker 3: the industry is moving toward a better direction, I think

543
00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:24,880
Speaker 3: for us. And yeah, it's it's really really touching when

544
00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:29,760
Speaker 3: I get to meet people that actually care that I'm

545
00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:31,320
Speaker 3: in these things.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's special.

547
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Speaker 3: I'm super, super super grateful that I'm in this position,

548
00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:41,040
Speaker 3: and I'm hoping that, you know, because the show is

549
00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:47,520
Speaker 3: successful and studios see that the character is also beloved.

550
00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:51,360
Speaker 3: Maybe it opens doors for even more superheroes that are

551
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Speaker 3: Asian future.

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00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:55,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, I definitely think it will, and I think it

553
00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:57,280
Speaker 1: will open up a door for your spin off. So yep,

554
00:29:57,360 --> 00:29:59,240
Speaker 1: that's going to happen as well all of the game.

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00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:02,000
Speaker 3: Well, let's hope that would be great.

556
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Speaker 1: Oh, I'm putting it out there. I am putting it

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Speaker 1: out there, Karen. I could talk to you for hours,

558
00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:10,360
Speaker 1: but it's time to wrap up with the final question

559
00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:12,560
Speaker 1: of this interview, which is a question I ask every

560
00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:14,760
Speaker 1: single guest who comes on based off the title of

561
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Speaker 1: the show, which is what is one thing that you

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00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:21,560
Speaker 1: have never said before. I know you've done a million

563
00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:24,479
Speaker 1: interviews up to this point, but I'm curious if anything

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Speaker 1: comes to mind.

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00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:28,479
Speaker 3: I debated whether I wanted to talk about this, but

566
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Speaker 3: I think it is really important for people to know

567
00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:38,040
Speaker 3: about I just went through an egg freezing process. It's

568
00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:42,640
Speaker 3: like a medical thing, and you know, you can freeze

569
00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:48,640
Speaker 3: your eggs and ensure life later. And I think it's

570
00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:52,400
Speaker 3: really important for women to have enough resources and information

571
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Speaker 3: on this subject, whether you're freezing eggs or freething embryos

572
00:30:56,760 --> 00:31:01,080
Speaker 3: with a partner. I personally did not realize how it

573
00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:03,000
Speaker 3: can be an easy process, but it can also be

574
00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:06,120
Speaker 3: like a longer process for some and for me it

575
00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:10,040
Speaker 3: was longer. And I just think it's super important for

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00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:14,920
Speaker 3: women out there to understand what their choices are because

577
00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:19,640
Speaker 3: it is time sensitive. And if I had known all

578
00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:21,240
Speaker 3: the things I know now, I think I would have

579
00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:25,600
Speaker 3: done it a couple of years before. So yeah, theoretics

580
00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:30,440
Speaker 3: if you can, and yeah, and even if you don't,

581
00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:34,400
Speaker 3: it's always good to think about those things because options

582
00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:38,080
Speaker 3: are available more when you're younger.

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Speaker 1: So you've clearly always wanted to have a family, right.

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00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:43,200
Speaker 2: No, not always?

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00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:48,760
Speaker 3: Actually, yeah, I didn't really think about it until a

586
00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:51,720
Speaker 3: few years back, and it was like a big thought.

587
00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:58,440
Speaker 3: I never dated to marry, to be honest, I just

588
00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:00,880
Speaker 3: feel like when you're in your early twenties, you don't

589
00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:04,080
Speaker 3: really think about like, oh is the marriage material? Is

590
00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:06,960
Speaker 3: the father material? I just never thought about it, like

591
00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:11,480
Speaker 3: this is fun, I'm dating someone that I like, but yeah,

592
00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:13,920
Speaker 3: I like recently I went through a breakup and now

593
00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:15,360
Speaker 3: I don't have a partner, so I was like, okay,

594
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:16,280
Speaker 3: well maybe he.

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00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:17,200
Speaker 2: Should freeze my eyes.

596
00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:20,840
Speaker 3: But long story short, without getting too far deep into it,

597
00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:22,560
Speaker 3: I think look into.

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Speaker 1: That, and if you are a woman, that's really cool

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00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:27,160
Speaker 1: to share because I think a lot of women out there,

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Speaker 1: and there are a lot of women I know as

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00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:31,840
Speaker 1: well who debate it, right, And for whatever reason, sometimes

602
00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:34,720
Speaker 1: they don't and I'm not sure why, and I've had

603
00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:36,560
Speaker 1: a few people in my life regret that. So I

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00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:38,640
Speaker 1: think it's an important message to put out because it

605
00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:41,640
Speaker 1: just gives you the option, right, It's like you, you

606
00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:42,760
Speaker 1: don't have to decide anything.

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00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:45,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, and I think that I'm going to have

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00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:48,400
Speaker 3: a natural birth, but it's always good to have insurance

609
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:52,680
Speaker 3: as well, just in case there's no one that pops up.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a good way to put it. Well, cool,

611
00:32:57,800 --> 00:32:59,920
Speaker 1: thank you. That's something that I think is really interesting

612
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Speaker 1: and no one's ever shared that before with me, and

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00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:04,920
Speaker 1: I think that's clearly a very personal thing that you

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00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:07,600
Speaker 1: decided to do. So I appreciate you sharing that the

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00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:09,840
Speaker 1: for the good of women out there who might be

616
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Speaker 1: considering it themselves. Karen, Like I said, I could talk

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Speaker 1: to you for hours. I so enjoyed this conversation. I

618
00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:19,320
Speaker 1: think you are such a light. I think you were

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00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:22,040
Speaker 1: so gifted in what you do, and you bring so

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00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:24,840
Speaker 1: much joy to so many people, and I really appreciated

621
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Speaker 1: you taking the time to hang out today and talk

622
00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:30,320
Speaker 1: about the boys, but also dive into some other real

623
00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:32,800
Speaker 1: life conversation as well that I think a lot of

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Speaker 1: people will be helped by. So thanks for hanging man.

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Speaker 1: This was awesome.

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Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, thank you so much.

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00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:42,360
Speaker 3: I mean I've never had an interview or like message

628
00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:44,880
Speaker 3: me before just to like give me this feel and

629
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:48,600
Speaker 3: be so friendly, and you know, meeting you today like

630
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:51,320
Speaker 3: just bring this like calming energy and so it's so

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Speaker 3: easy talking to you, and yeah, thank you for creating

632
00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:55,080
Speaker 3: that environment.

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Speaker 1: Oh, thank you, thank you. And I'm raising my hand

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00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:01,040
Speaker 1: for the next girl's night. I think gay men should

635
00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:03,880
Speaker 1: be allowed to be invited. So I'm down fors and

636
00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:07,280
Speaker 1: bacon and wine and gossip.

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00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:09,520
Speaker 3: And all the things you are invited on.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, my friend. So good hanging out and we'll

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Speaker 1: talk again soon, I hope.

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Speaker 2: Awesome. Thank you so much.

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