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Speaker 1: Hi everyone, and welcome to a very special Valentine's Day episode.

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Speaker 1: I am so excited to kick off this Valentine's Day

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Speaker 1: with the absolute love of my life, Sophia. I look

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Speaker 1: forward to her getting back from shooting a movie in

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Speaker 1: South Africa. She's been gone for six weeks and it's

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Speaker 1: been terrible for me. I miss her so much. So

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Speaker 1: she gets home in the next week, right before Valentine's Day.

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Speaker 1: So I'm looking forward to.

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Speaker 2: A slow, chill, present, glamorous, gorgeous couch like very chic

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Speaker 2: wine night in.

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Speaker 1: I rather cook and have a beautiful dinner. My woman

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Speaker 1: loves steak, so my plan is to cook a very

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Speaker 1: nice steak, have very nice red wine, and just watch

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Speaker 1: a really cheesy rom calm and laugh and like be

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Speaker 1: present and be you know, connected, because we've been away

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Speaker 1: from each other for almost a month and a half.

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Speaker 1: Like now I'm trying to think of, like what my

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Speaker 1: favorite rom com is. Oh my gosh, pretty Woman. I

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Speaker 1: love pretty Woman. Like, let me tell you, I love

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Speaker 1: pretty woman. Julia Roberts is queen. Hello, I worship Julia Roberts. Hello,

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Speaker 1: I'm dating a hot redhead. Like let's let's go. We're

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Speaker 1: watching Pretty Woman done okay, but also, oh my gosh,

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Speaker 1: now they're all floating to like the forefront dirty Dancing.

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Speaker 1: It's not a rom com, but like, I'm obsessed with

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Speaker 1: dirty dancing. It is so good movie night with steak,

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Speaker 1: good wine, probably some vegetables, because you know, a homegirl

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Speaker 1: likes to eat clean, very good, chic red wine. My

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Speaker 1: partner very bougie when it comes to her, very nice wine.

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Speaker 1: So I'm gonna I'm gonna give my lady what she wants,

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Speaker 1: and then we're gonna hit pretty Woman and Dirty Dancing

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Speaker 1: because why wouldn't we. It's gonna be a LoveFest. All right, y'all,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna dive right into our very special Valentine's Day

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Speaker 1: episode with Tig and her wife Stephanie. Let's get into it.

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Speaker 1: Some couples make you laugh, and some couples make you

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Speaker 1: feel safe, and some couples somehow do both at the

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Speaker 1: same time. Today's guests are exactly that. Tig Nataro and

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Speaker 1: Stephanie Allen are two of the most honest, hilarious, and

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Speaker 1: brave people I've had the chance to sit down with.

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Speaker 1: Tig is a trailblazer in comedy and storytelling, someone who

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Speaker 1: has taken some of life's deepest pains and somehow turned

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Speaker 1: it into connection and to light. And Stephanie is a

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Speaker 1: brilliant actor, writer and director whose heart and creativity are

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Speaker 1: felt in everything she touches. Together, they've built not just

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Speaker 1: a marriage, but a family, raising twins, making art, and

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Speaker 1: showing the world what love can look like when it's

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Speaker 1: rooted in truth and humor. We're talking about parenting, partnership, grief, laughter,

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Speaker 1: and takes powerful new documentary about her late friend Andrea Gibson,

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Speaker 1: I'll See You in the Good Light. And of course

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Speaker 1: we're talking about the wildly successful podcast Handsome, which feels

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Speaker 1: like home for so many people who just want to

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Speaker 1: feel seen in the queer community. This conversation is funny,

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Speaker 1: it's tender, and it's full of heart, and I'm so

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Speaker 1: excited for you to hear it. Welcome to Wide Open.

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Speaker 1: Hi everyone, and welcome back to another episode of Wide Open.

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Speaker 1: I'm your host, Ashlyn Harris, and today we have two

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Speaker 1: very guests, Tag and Stephanie. Welcome to the show. Thanks

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Speaker 1: so much for being here.

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Speaker 3: Thanks thanks for having us, Yes and very.

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Speaker 1: Early LA time, so I even appreciate that more. But

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Speaker 1: I do know your parents, so the days of sleeping

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Speaker 1: in are well passed us. I had the Pope this

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Speaker 1: morning at six thirty, like, Mama, can I come into

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Speaker 1: You can't, but we can get out the Pope. No,

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Speaker 1: the Pope.

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Speaker 3: Sometimes you're tight with the Pope.

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Speaker 1: Wow, No, no, I am not so I love. I

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Speaker 1: did do a little deep dive. I did see recently

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Speaker 1: you both won like a family Visibility award. H that's

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Speaker 1: pretty special. I think it's really incredible how it's been

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Speaker 1: so incredible to watch your journey and see how open

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Speaker 1: you both have been about raising your two sons, and

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Speaker 1: you've been together for a very long time, and you're

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Speaker 1: an inspiration to a lot of us queer people who

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Speaker 1: get to watch your journey. So thank you for sharing

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Speaker 1: it with all of us.

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Speaker 4: Oh, that's so nice.

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Speaker 3: I always assume nobody's watching or paying attention, So like

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Speaker 3: when we got called for that award, I was like, oh,

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Speaker 1: I think it's so special and to hear that especially

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Speaker 1: you know, take you said that your your sons were

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Speaker 3: I've never heard it put that way, holding me accountable,

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Speaker 3: but that's exactly what was happening. In the comedy world,

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Speaker 3: It was unexpected. It was an afternoon and Matinee vegan

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and they're they're definitely not the kids that are

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Speaker 3: I love it sports talk first, like, yeah, yeah, I

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Speaker 3: I think they think they know all of my stories.

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Speaker 3: And so I was telling I was telling some insane

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Speaker 3: was like, oh my god.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you really can't get away with anything with kids.

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Speaker 1: They are listening way more than I ever thought they were,

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Speaker 3: To die anyway, So take steph.

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Speaker 1: Tell me how you guys ended up? You guys ended

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Speaker 1: and I can't wait to get to that part. But

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Speaker 1: how how did you How did you guys meet?

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Speaker 4: We were we were just telling the story a lot

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Speaker 4: with it. Yeah, yesterday, well every.

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Speaker 3: Day anyone will listen. We're like, you want to know

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Speaker 3: how we met? I want to know how we fell

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Speaker 1: We really we need this. We need this in the

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Speaker 3: We want to hear my love story. You want to

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Speaker 3: hear our vegan love story like I do. Anyway began together.

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Speaker 4: No, we met on Lake Bell's movie in a World,

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Speaker 4: I couldn't quite place my feelings and I knew that

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Speaker 4: I was leaving dates to go text Tig. But yeah,

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Speaker 4: we uh we take you sell it better. You were

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Speaker 4: on that because it was actually Valentine's Day?

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Speaker 3: Are you? Are you not fig? You're not making our

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Speaker 4: So now you know visited. I think you have a clear.

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Speaker 3: Okay, okay, okay, I'll tell you what happened.

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Speaker 1: We were tapping, was.

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Speaker 3: We were texting way messier. We were texting for months,

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Speaker 3: and I was starting to feel like, oh my gosh,

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Speaker 3: a crush on her because that's kind of all I mean. Obviously,

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Speaker 3: I think you're very attractive, but I'm like, it's fun

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Speaker 3: to laugh with people, and I'm like dying on text

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Speaker 3: every day with her. And then I was home writing

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Speaker 3: it was Valentine's Day. We had not hung out. We

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Speaker 3: do you want to come meet me and my friends?

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Speaker 3: I walk in with my messy, greasy hair and my

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Speaker 3: And so the next day, Stephanie writes me, I mean,

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Speaker 3: and I just wrote back, okay Dike. Then and so

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Speaker 4: Oh my, and I got Okay, Dike.

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Speaker 1: I was you were hooked? That was it for you?

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Speaker 1: You were like, you know what, I got a lot

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Speaker 1: of history in sports. You know, I've Stephanie, I've done

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Speaker 1: it's it. I do feel because both of you, the

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Speaker 1: And it's so interesting when you have that aha moment

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Speaker 1: did you just know like this is for me, this

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Speaker 1: is like safety, this is like my emotional home or

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Speaker 4: I think I thought I was really honest with myself.

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Speaker 4: I know with guys I've been with, I thought they

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Speaker 4: are you really wanting to do your job? And I

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Speaker 4: think the more you're around people who love art, love film,

435
00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:45,920
Speaker 4: what they do, want want to do what they do,

436
00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:50,920
Speaker 4: it's the greatest. It's the greatest experience. It's the greatest

437
00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:53,760
Speaker 4: people to work with. And I and I just recently

438
00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:59,240
Speaker 4: was like, oh, that comes from sports, But I also

439
00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:03,800
Speaker 4: I played sports. I gave up playing in college to

440
00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:06,480
Speaker 4: go do acting, and now I have moments I'm like,

441
00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:07,160
Speaker 4: maybe that.

442
00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:07,760
Speaker 1: Was a regret.

443
00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:12,000
Speaker 4: But I look at sports even now with our kids

444
00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:17,200
Speaker 4: and watching it, and I'm like, there's I'm like, I'm rambling.

445
00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:17,919
Speaker 1: There's so much.

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00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:21,040
Speaker 4: But I also feel like watching sports right now in

447
00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:26,640
Speaker 4: this political environment, it is so relaxing to number one,

448
00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:31,040
Speaker 4: see people unified to go, Okay, it's not about that

449
00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:35,199
Speaker 4: we're doing this. And also it's really refreshing to go

450
00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:38,520
Speaker 4: there are rules and we are it's clear on clear,

451
00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:43,040
Speaker 4: you's wrong lots to one and you're just like, that's

452
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Speaker 4: it the.

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Speaker 1: Best big accountability Yeah part heckling, cackling. Anyways, it is.

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Speaker 1: It's it's snow, but it's really important. And when you

455
00:27:56,840 --> 00:28:01,560
Speaker 1: talk about that, like, you know, I I think there's

456
00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:05,480
Speaker 1: no coincidence how it bleeds into your marriage because you

457
00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:08,439
Speaker 1: both work a lot together and you're still together, so

458
00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:14,000
Speaker 1: you're doing something right and that collaborative part of what

459
00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:17,240
Speaker 1: probably has made you so great in your working environment

460
00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:20,359
Speaker 1: and your marriage like that, that has to be a

461
00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:22,960
Speaker 1: big part of it. What is it like working together?

462
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Speaker 1: And you know, I know one of my favorite recent

463
00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:32,919
Speaker 1: movies I love am I Okay, like god, it's like

464
00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:37,600
Speaker 1: a gentle warm hug. I have watched it so many times,

465
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:41,720
Speaker 1: amazing and it's you can But when when I realize

466
00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:45,360
Speaker 1: you both co directed that that warmth that you have

467
00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:51,800
Speaker 1: together really comes through the work you do, And I

468
00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:54,400
Speaker 1: just want to know, like, what is it like working

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Speaker 1: together with someone you respect so much and love so deeply,

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Speaker 1: I imagine, and there are times that there's heated friction

471
00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:05,680
Speaker 1: because you both are competitive and you both want things

472
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Speaker 1: done right. But like, what is that work life? Do

473
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Speaker 1: you bring it home? Do you drive to work together?

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Speaker 1: And are you pissed some days? And like what is

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Speaker 1: it like?

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Speaker 4: Well sick? I will say, I think you might be

477
00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:22,480
Speaker 4: the least competitive person I've ever met.

478
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Speaker 1: Really, wow, I would have never I would have never

479
00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:32,080
Speaker 1: thought that, Yeah, you're like, yeah, fucking I'm good.

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Speaker 3: Well, I used to do long distance cycling. I'm kind

481
00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:38,640
Speaker 3: of I used to play soccer as a kid, but

482
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Speaker 3: I'm more of a solo sport type person, like hiking

483
00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:47,120
Speaker 3: and again long distance cycling fifty to one hundred mile days.

484
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Speaker 3: And I would do these long rides with groups or

485
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Speaker 3: charity events, and people still end up being competitive in

486
00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:04,440
Speaker 3: the even though you're just raising running money for charity.

487
00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:10,240
Speaker 3: And that was one of those signs of like I

488
00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:15,360
Speaker 3: came in dead last Ashlyn, like out of hundreds of people,

489
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Speaker 3: I might have been thousands. And I was cycling with

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Speaker 3: my friend who is very competitive, and she's like racing

491
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Speaker 3: other people, and I was like, this isn't a race.

492
00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:30,760
Speaker 3: We're just like we're cycling, We're raising money, We're raising money. Yeah,

493
00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:35,800
Speaker 3: and but she was dying laughing. And also it turned

494
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Speaker 3: to emotional tears when I finally cross the finish line

495
00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:43,120
Speaker 3: because she was like she did it, and I'm like,

496
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Speaker 3: I don't. I am not racing anybody.

497
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Speaker 1: I'm like, you can all have the price.

498
00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:53,720
Speaker 3: But but yeah, I just I don't feel I think

499
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Speaker 3: it goes back to maybe the way I do sports

500
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Speaker 3: is that like I like to have a sport I

501
00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:03,440
Speaker 3: can do on my own, but it's also something that

502
00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:07,240
Speaker 3: if you want to join me swimming or hiking or biking,

503
00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:11,120
Speaker 3: there's a place for you. But I'm just doing my

504
00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:16,080
Speaker 3: own thing. And and I don't know if it also

505
00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:20,240
Speaker 3: ties back to being gay, not knowing I was gay

506
00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:22,080
Speaker 3: for I mean, believe it or not, for a long

507
00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:28,320
Speaker 3: time where I just felt different. I was a gay

508
00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:33,120
Speaker 3: comedian in the South. It took me a beat to

509
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Speaker 3: figure myself out. And so I was always just doing

510
00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:39,880
Speaker 3: my own thing. I can't compete with these girls trying

511
00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:42,960
Speaker 3: to have boyfriends or I can't you know what, I'm

512
00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:44,840
Speaker 3: the class clown. I'm not going to get the a

513
00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:48,640
Speaker 3: you know, Like I just I'm doing my own thing.

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00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:53,200
Speaker 4: And also anyone tells you like a coach is like

515
00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:54,960
Speaker 4: hustle or let's get it.

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00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:59,400
Speaker 3: You're like, don't yell at me, Like I'm like, just

517
00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:02,480
Speaker 3: assume I am hustling. I might. I remember when I

518
00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:04,760
Speaker 3: was playing soccer, they'd be hustle aw, so I'm like,

519
00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:08,440
Speaker 3: I know that's what I'm doing. You're distracting me. I

520
00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:11,920
Speaker 3: have to turn and nod together, like, no, leave me alone.

521
00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:13,240
Speaker 3: But what was your question?

522
00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:18,120
Speaker 1: No, you're doing great, but I just competitive scale, right?

523
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:21,000
Speaker 3: Are working together? Working work together?

524
00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:21,520
Speaker 1: Yes?

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00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:26,480
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, I Stephanie and I work together so well.

526
00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:29,400
Speaker 3: And I would I and and you know, I don't

527
00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:33,960
Speaker 3: want to come across as like we're perfect. Our life

528
00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:36,640
Speaker 3: is perfect, our relationships perfect. But the fact of the

529
00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:40,040
Speaker 3: matter is we do enjoy being around each other. We

530
00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:43,160
Speaker 3: are varian and we are very inspired by each other.

531
00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:49,080
Speaker 3: I feel like we elevate each other. I love seeing

532
00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:53,680
Speaker 3: Stephanie excel. I know. And I'm not saying this in

533
00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:56,440
Speaker 3: like a cliche way of like oh my better half

534
00:32:56,520 --> 00:32:59,479
Speaker 3: or my wife's smarter than me, or she really is.

535
00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:05,880
Speaker 3: And I really really want her opinion. I really want

536
00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:09,840
Speaker 3: her opinion. And when she has an opinion, on something,

537
00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:12,880
Speaker 3: I'm just like, wait, what did you say? Even like

538
00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:15,440
Speaker 3: what she said before, it's like you, if you're ready

539
00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:17,440
Speaker 3: for the ball, you're going to get in that position.

540
00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:20,640
Speaker 3: I'm like, oh, I love that, Like I love visuals,

541
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Speaker 3: I love learning from somebody that has incredible taste, incredible talent,

542
00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:31,320
Speaker 3: somebody I'm completely in awe of. And we always laugh

543
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:35,400
Speaker 3: about when we are on separate productions. We're like, I

544
00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:37,240
Speaker 3: miss you, like I wish you here.

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Speaker 1: I want to know what your.

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Speaker 3: Opinion would be on this movie or this project I'm

547
00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:49,160
Speaker 3: working on, and I wish you were here. Well, I

548
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:52,200
Speaker 3: love Definitely I'll be like, oh, it's the worst working

549
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Speaker 3: with her.

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Speaker 4: If you've heard all that so really hard, that was sweet,

551
00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:03,520
Speaker 4: I think, and I will I feel that. I feel

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00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:06,440
Speaker 4: that way about Tig. And I also in saying that

553
00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:10,759
Speaker 4: Tig is the least competitive, that's such a compliment, especially

554
00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:14,200
Speaker 4: when you're making a film or you're working together, because

555
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:17,160
Speaker 4: and I've seen this with Tig across the board in

556
00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:19,560
Speaker 4: the same way she's a fan of me that she

557
00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:22,200
Speaker 4: just said, she's that of everyone and her friends and

558
00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:26,960
Speaker 4: other stand ups, and she doesn't have that vibe of like, oh,

559
00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:29,200
Speaker 4: they're good are they better than me or my Like,

560
00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:35,920
Speaker 4: she celebrates talent, and she celebrates good people and brings

561
00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:39,719
Speaker 4: them in and hires them and hires them again and

562
00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:44,480
Speaker 4: doesn't keep people apart. And I think that's a rare

563
00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:49,440
Speaker 4: ability actually, and I think then things go very smoothly

564
00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:52,480
Speaker 4: and can work really beautifully when you're like that, because

565
00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:57,319
Speaker 4: you're just you're creating that space of good people and

566
00:34:57,719 --> 00:35:01,400
Speaker 4: you're really respecting what they do and their talent, and

567
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:04,080
Speaker 4: it's really it's very kind.

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Speaker 1: This is wide open, and I'm your host, Ashlyn Harris.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for listening. We'll be right back. I know there's

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Speaker 1: a big documentary that came out in November, TIG about

571
00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:26,080
Speaker 1: your late friend Andrea Gibson, and I would really love

572
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Speaker 1: to hit on that because I watched that with my partner,

573
00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:39,840
Speaker 1: and whoof like devastating and beautiful all in one. And

574
00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:47,040
Speaker 1: the way you could hold both, the way you were

575
00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:50,960
Speaker 1: able to bring that story to life for all of us,

576
00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:54,279
Speaker 1: It was so heavy but so light in so many

577
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Speaker 1: different ways. Did you feel called to tell that story

578
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:02,400
Speaker 1: or were you just lucky enoughing came to your lap?

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Speaker 3: I felt so compelled, And first of all, thank you

580
00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:11,319
Speaker 3: for watching it and I'm so glad it resonated with you.

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00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:14,280
Speaker 3: I just feel like, if you are a person alive

582
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:17,440
Speaker 3: on this planet, you have to see this film, and

583
00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:21,440
Speaker 3: it's going to make you feel so much. Some people

584
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:26,360
Speaker 3: get scared of it, but it's not. I mean, obviously

585
00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:29,480
Speaker 3: everybody you know, if you're not ready, you're not ready.

586
00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:32,160
Speaker 3: But there's so much joy in this film, and there's

587
00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:39,360
Speaker 3: so much inspiration and people, yeah, are moved beyond measure

588
00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:43,319
Speaker 3: and shifting their lives because of it. I was one

589
00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:48,040
Speaker 3: of them who shifted my life in ways. But I've

590
00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:52,319
Speaker 3: known I knew Andrea for twenty five years. And my

591
00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:56,560
Speaker 3: friend Steph Willin, who is the friend who's in town

592
00:36:56,640 --> 00:36:59,399
Speaker 3: right now visiting us. She was one of the producers.

593
00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:01,960
Speaker 3: And you'll know what I mean when I say she

594
00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:04,280
Speaker 3: was the one at the dinner party that got thumbed.

595
00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:09,760
Speaker 3: She if you remember that part of the of the film.

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00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:13,080
Speaker 3: But she and I were on the phone. We were

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Speaker 3: talking about Andrea's podcast, and we were trying to figure

598
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Speaker 3: out how to be helpful and with the structure, producing,

599
00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:26,160
Speaker 3: editing and whatever, because you know, Andrea had a lot

600
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Speaker 3: going on, and so we were trying to be helpful

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00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:36,000
Speaker 3: with that and then Steph Steph Willen, who is visiting

602
00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:39,000
Speaker 3: us and produced it with me. She is the one

603
00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:41,279
Speaker 3: that said when we were on the phone, she said,

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Speaker 3: I feel like Andrea's life would make a really great

605
00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:48,800
Speaker 3: documentary right now. And I was like, oh my God.

606
00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:48,839
Speaker 4: Like.

607
00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:55,120
Speaker 3: Talk about like the heavens opening and just like hearing,

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Speaker 3: oh my gosh. I mean. And Stephanie makes fun of

609
00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:04,000
Speaker 3: me because because I act very quickly in life, if something,

610
00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:06,600
Speaker 3: she'll hear me kind of mention like I thought about

611
00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:08,840
Speaker 3: maybe doing this thing, and then She'll walk in the

612
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:11,520
Speaker 3: next room and I'm on a call going, hey, I

613
00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:15,440
Speaker 3: was wondering if you guys have you know I'm immediately

614
00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:17,640
Speaker 3: into it. And that's what happened with this film was

615
00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:24,000
Speaker 3: like I called these filmmakers that I had known that

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00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:26,600
Speaker 3: I just loved. I loved their projects, I love them

617
00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:30,520
Speaker 3: as people, and I knew that whoever came into this project,

618
00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:35,239
Speaker 3: you have to be, as I have said a million times,

619
00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:38,440
Speaker 3: there can't be a single weirdo rattling around in this

620
00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:45,600
Speaker 3: production because this is a very very tender, sensitive moment

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Speaker 3: at the end of somebody's life. And I'm telling you,

622
00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:55,920
Speaker 3: this crew that came in on this film was so

623
00:38:56,120 --> 00:39:01,120
Speaker 3: tiny and so full of love and support and compassion,

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00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:06,120
Speaker 3: and even after the film wrapped up, and Andrea the movie,

625
00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:09,520
Speaker 3: I mean, maybe we haven't even mentioned that, but Andrea

626
00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:16,000
Speaker 3: is a poet, non binary, poet with stage four ovarian cancer.

627
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:19,920
Speaker 3: And so when I reached out to the filmmakers, they

628
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:24,560
Speaker 3: were a little like, huh a poet. Interesting. Okay, well

629
00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:30,560
Speaker 3: we'll get back to and I sent them some clips

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00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:33,600
Speaker 3: and things to listen to and watch, and I was like,

631
00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:36,640
Speaker 3: you know, I can't sell you on this. You're either

632
00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:40,080
Speaker 3: going to be in or out. And three days later

633
00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:43,680
Speaker 3: they called me and they were like, oh my god,

634
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:47,200
Speaker 3: we get it, we see it. We cannot reach out

635
00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:51,399
Speaker 3: to a streamer. We have to raise funds independently. This

636
00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:55,960
Speaker 3: is not a sparkly Hollywood film, and we are buying

637
00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:58,160
Speaker 3: plane tickets and we're going out there next week to

638
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Speaker 3: start filming. And so I then immediately got on the

639
00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:08,920
Speaker 3: phone and I started raising money and it came together

640
00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:15,080
Speaker 3: so quickly. Everybody was so passionate, and even after we wrapped,

641
00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:19,200
Speaker 3: the crew continued to fly out to visit Andrea and

642
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Speaker 3: Andrea's wife Meg, because everyone got so close, I mean

643
00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:31,440
Speaker 3: so close, but yeah, I felt very called. And Andrea

644
00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:34,759
Speaker 3: was one of the funniest people I ever knew, and

645
00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:41,200
Speaker 3: was like deeply, deeply one of the best laugh hangs

646
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Speaker 3: that you could ever hope for. And their relationship with

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Speaker 3: Meg is like just something for the ages. I mean,

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Speaker 3: it's really remarkable how they navigated this final year of

649
00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:06,279
Speaker 3: Andrea's life and the way Andrea navigated the final year

650
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:13,480
Speaker 3: of their life. It's beyond anything. And every time it screens,

651
00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:16,879
Speaker 3: I mean, it won so many festivals, and I mean

652
00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:20,640
Speaker 3: it just kept winning, and it won Sundance even out

653
00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:25,240
Speaker 3: of scripted films, like it just kept taking every prize

654
00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:29,000
Speaker 3: everywhere we went, and it sold to Apple and it's

655
00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:33,000
Speaker 3: now on the short list for the Oscars. It's it's

656
00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:38,719
Speaker 3: just it's it's man, has it been a beautiful experience.

657
00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:43,759
Speaker 1: Andrea was able to actually watch the reaction people had

658
00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:50,400
Speaker 1: at Sundance, which I find I can only imagine was

659
00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:53,840
Speaker 1: really special and powerful. As I listened to quite a

660
00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:59,360
Speaker 1: bit of their work, they always talked about this maybe

661
00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:04,480
Speaker 1: was their call to be able to tell this story,

662
00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:10,360
Speaker 1: to experience it, to share it. But they were able

663
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:13,480
Speaker 1: to see it, and I'm just curious what that was

664
00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:16,120
Speaker 1: like at Sundance. Not only for you, but for them.

665
00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:20,640
Speaker 3: Well, we didn't think Andrea and Meg were going to

666
00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:23,680
Speaker 3: make it out to Sundance because met or Andrea had

667
00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:28,759
Speaker 3: reached you know, you know, Andrea was struggling to walk

668
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:33,480
Speaker 3: up and downstairs because of the tumors and the lungs.

669
00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:38,040
Speaker 3: And then last minute, you know, they got in the

670
00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:43,600
Speaker 3: car and drove out from Boulder to Park City for

671
00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:47,440
Speaker 3: the festival, and we were just like, oh my god,

672
00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:50,080
Speaker 3: they're going to be here. And we had all like

673
00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:56,200
Speaker 3: gotten a big Airbnb and we were calling it snuggle

674
00:42:56,280 --> 00:43:00,440
Speaker 3: down because we were just at this festival in this

675
00:43:00,600 --> 00:43:05,080
Speaker 3: big house, sitting by the fire and having tea all weekend.

676
00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:13,160
Speaker 3: And Andrea was very very nervous about the screening. It

677
00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:19,800
Speaker 3: was it's so vulnerable, and and when we got there,

678
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:24,960
Speaker 3: you know, it was a lot of visible nerves. And

679
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:29,240
Speaker 3: then I would say, within minutes of the film playing,

680
00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:33,560
Speaker 3: you could you can just feel I mean, any way

681
00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:36,160
Speaker 3: you can watch this film, even if it's on Apple

682
00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:39,080
Speaker 3: alone in your home on a laptop, or if you're

683
00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:43,440
Speaker 3: in a theater like we were at Sundance. It is

684
00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:51,120
Speaker 3: so incredible to experience the laughter with a group and

685
00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:55,520
Speaker 3: the emotion with a group I mean you feel each other.

686
00:43:55,719 --> 00:44:01,120
Speaker 3: And I and Andrea settled in and was like you

687
00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:06,920
Speaker 3: could feel the ease that came over them and to

688
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:12,560
Speaker 3: sit there in that room, and it was Stephanie always

689
00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:17,120
Speaker 3: talks about how incredible it is to see the amount

690
00:44:17,239 --> 00:44:23,160
Speaker 3: of straight men that respond to this film. At the

691
00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:28,000
Speaker 3: Sundance Festival, there was a guy that was so like

692
00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:32,360
Speaker 3: Broy that stood up and was like, everybody needs to

693
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:35,520
Speaker 3: see this film, and it was just it was so

694
00:44:36,680 --> 00:44:41,279
Speaker 3: it was so moving because he just this was a

695
00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:46,840
Speaker 3: sold out theater of like every version of gender and sexuality,

696
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:50,600
Speaker 3: and like this guy was so out of place but

697
00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:57,399
Speaker 3: perfectly in place. And during our Snuggle Down experience, where

698
00:44:57,640 --> 00:45:00,640
Speaker 3: I mean I've been to Sundance numerous times and usually

699
00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:05,200
Speaker 3: it is a weekend of parties and events and dinners

700
00:45:05,239 --> 00:45:08,799
Speaker 3: and schmoozing, and we did not do that. We got

701
00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:12,960
Speaker 3: out there, our little Snuggle Down production crew and we

702
00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:17,040
Speaker 3: and we just hung out by the fire and we

703
00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:21,360
Speaker 3: had these great talks and laughs and and having tea

704
00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:26,160
Speaker 3: sun up to sundown, and and we were just like, Wow,

705
00:45:26,239 --> 00:45:31,439
Speaker 3: that went really well and people respond really responded, and

706
00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:34,880
Speaker 3: and then I left town and then I got these

707
00:45:35,080 --> 00:45:39,319
Speaker 3: this like cavalcade of texts and calls and and I

708
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:43,000
Speaker 3: was like, oh God, I thought this is it's bad

709
00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:47,440
Speaker 3: news about Andrea, you know, because of the like clear

710
00:45:47,520 --> 00:45:53,839
Speaker 3: struggle in Sundance with the lungs and breathing and and

711
00:45:53,840 --> 00:45:57,920
Speaker 3: and then I call Andrea and Meg back and they're like,

712
00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:00,799
Speaker 3: did you hear? And I was like I was like

713
00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:04,120
Speaker 3: so ready to cry, and they were like, we won

714
00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:09,000
Speaker 3: Sun Dance And I was like what wait what? Like

715
00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:12,640
Speaker 3: I was not because I had no gauge. We had

716
00:46:12,719 --> 00:46:15,719
Speaker 3: no gauge how this film was doing because we weren't

717
00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:20,120
Speaker 3: out in the festival schmoozing, so we were just to

718
00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:24,839
Speaker 3: snuggle down having tea, laughing and enjoying ourselves in this

719
00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:30,480
Speaker 3: really intimate, emotional fun way, only to find out we

720
00:46:30,560 --> 00:46:31,879
Speaker 3: won the festival.

721
00:46:32,080 --> 00:46:37,560
Speaker 1: Like what incredible? So crazy, so incredible. Stephanie, what was

722
00:46:37,640 --> 00:46:43,759
Speaker 1: it like watching Tig go through this journey with Andrea?

723
00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:46,359
Speaker 4: I mean, I feel like, you know, first of all,

724
00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:48,440
Speaker 4: I do think Tig and I are very fluid in

725
00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:51,279
Speaker 4: our work life. So in the same way of what

726
00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:54,000
Speaker 4: the messaging is of the film is how the movie

727
00:46:54,080 --> 00:46:56,520
Speaker 4: itself was made, And I would say how it sort

728
00:46:56,520 --> 00:47:01,600
Speaker 4: of bled into our own life, and so to see,

729
00:47:01,680 --> 00:47:04,839
Speaker 4: first of all, to see it come together so beautifully

730
00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:09,160
Speaker 4: with a group of people who were all putting art first,

731
00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:12,000
Speaker 4: and they were going, this, this is not a movie

732
00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:14,880
Speaker 4: that would sell. This does not meet an algorithm. This

733
00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:17,919
Speaker 4: is not what everybody is looking for right now. And

734
00:47:18,040 --> 00:47:20,200
Speaker 4: yet people were putting their money in, and they were

735
00:47:20,239 --> 00:47:22,319
Speaker 4: putting their time in, and they were saying yes to

736
00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:26,920
Speaker 4: it because Andrea wasn't was enough to go what what

737
00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:29,839
Speaker 4: am I doing if I say no to Andrea? You know, so,

738
00:47:30,040 --> 00:47:33,399
Speaker 4: first to see that come together that way, and then

739
00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:36,319
Speaker 4: to make such a beautiful piece of art that is

740
00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:40,759
Speaker 4: the ripple effect is just unbelievable. And how it has

741
00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:44,000
Speaker 4: connected people who have watched it, and the conversations you

742
00:47:44,080 --> 00:47:47,239
Speaker 4: can have from it, I think it's one of the

743
00:47:47,239 --> 00:47:49,399
Speaker 4: best things, if not the best thing Take has done.

744
00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:52,759
Speaker 4: And it has been the art itself has been a

745
00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:56,120
Speaker 4: gift to our life because of the conversations we've had

746
00:47:56,160 --> 00:47:59,759
Speaker 4: with people and continue to have. And so to me,

747
00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:03,560
Speaker 4: it's one of the most inspiring things to witness and

748
00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:05,520
Speaker 4: not be a part of, because I got to see

749
00:48:05,520 --> 00:48:08,799
Speaker 4: the process and then the product, and then these are

750
00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:11,560
Speaker 4: our friends and these are people we know and it

751
00:48:11,640 --> 00:48:14,120
Speaker 4: is about life, and it's about grief, and it's about

752
00:48:14,160 --> 00:48:17,480
Speaker 4: all of those things. And so it's a gift in

753
00:48:17,560 --> 00:48:22,840
Speaker 4: many ways to me. And there hasn't been any There's

754
00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:26,680
Speaker 4: just no negativity in any direction, which I would say

755
00:48:26,680 --> 00:48:29,160
Speaker 4: if there was. And I think that is something. I

756
00:48:29,160 --> 00:48:32,800
Speaker 4: think that's like, you go, something was done right. And

757
00:48:33,480 --> 00:48:37,200
Speaker 4: it's fascinating. I've started clocking all of these men that

758
00:48:37,239 --> 00:48:40,520
Speaker 4: were loving this movie and friends of ours husband who

759
00:48:40,600 --> 00:48:43,239
Speaker 4: watched it and were like, whoa, I love you know,

760
00:48:43,320 --> 00:48:46,960
Speaker 4: and it's like, this is a non binary poet and

761
00:48:47,080 --> 00:48:50,400
Speaker 4: their wife dying of ovarian cancer. You'd think in ways

762
00:48:50,440 --> 00:48:54,440
Speaker 4: this would not speak to that demographic, but it's not

763
00:48:54,560 --> 00:48:58,400
Speaker 4: about any of those things. And I was like, oh, people,

764
00:48:58,520 --> 00:49:02,960
Speaker 4: and especially men, I think, fear death. So you sit

765
00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:07,440
Speaker 4: in there and you watch somebody go this little poet.

766
00:49:07,719 --> 00:49:11,400
Speaker 3: You're watching this scrappy little poet.

767
00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:14,759
Speaker 4: It's like, that's how I want to live. And I

768
00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:19,359
Speaker 4: will do anything to fucking live. And I what can

769
00:49:19,400 --> 00:49:21,520
Speaker 4: I do? And what can it? And and that the

770
00:49:21,640 --> 00:49:25,320
Speaker 4: trying and the the you know, wanting the life and

771
00:49:25,320 --> 00:49:28,000
Speaker 4: and I think, you know, this doesn't give anything away

772
00:49:28,040 --> 00:49:30,840
Speaker 4: about the movie, but what the movie does so well

773
00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:33,680
Speaker 4: is to go. It's not just about oh, be grateful

774
00:49:33,719 --> 00:49:35,799
Speaker 4: for your life and life is so precious and this

775
00:49:36,280 --> 00:49:40,520
Speaker 4: it's it's every second. It's minute minute, Like if you

776
00:49:40,680 --> 00:49:44,480
Speaker 4: have five minutes to live, five minutes is five minutes

777
00:49:44,520 --> 00:49:48,080
Speaker 4: and that's more than two. You know, it's like what

778
00:49:48,120 --> 00:49:51,600
Speaker 4: do you what are you doing? And I yeah, it's

779
00:49:51,719 --> 00:49:55,560
Speaker 4: just been. It's it's really really special.

780
00:49:55,960 --> 00:49:59,879
Speaker 1: Well you you both have such a gift to cant

781
00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:05,920
Speaker 1: can you putting out such incredible work that makes our

782
00:50:06,040 --> 00:50:09,680
Speaker 1: community really feel seen and safe and not alone. And

783
00:50:10,719 --> 00:50:14,200
Speaker 1: it's through everything, whether it's your movies, your scripts, it's

784
00:50:14,440 --> 00:50:21,719
Speaker 1: through your stand up, it's through your podcast. There's no

785
00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:24,400
Speaker 1: question that you both are such a light in this

786
00:50:24,520 --> 00:50:27,879
Speaker 1: world for our community, and so many people feel very

787
00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:31,080
Speaker 1: safe within it and want to consume it because we

788
00:50:31,160 --> 00:50:34,520
Speaker 1: need it. We need it more now than we ever have.

789
00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:41,120
Speaker 1: And I love tuning into Handsome, I love tuning into

790
00:50:41,160 --> 00:50:45,480
Speaker 1: everything you both put your hand on. You really have

791
00:50:45,600 --> 00:50:48,800
Speaker 1: a gift, and I don't want to say that lightly.

792
00:50:49,040 --> 00:50:52,760
Speaker 1: It is. It has been a real joy following both

793
00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:57,880
Speaker 1: of your work, and I am grateful that it feels safe,

794
00:50:58,000 --> 00:51:01,720
Speaker 1: it feels funny, it feels hard, but it feels like home.

795
00:51:02,280 --> 00:51:02,680
Speaker 5: Mm hmm.

796
00:51:03,400 --> 00:51:06,640
Speaker 1: And did you know, to wrap this all up, do

797
00:51:06,680 --> 00:51:10,120
Speaker 1: you ever really sit back and realize the impact at

798
00:51:10,200 --> 00:51:12,640
Speaker 1: so you know, you both are very young, raising very

799
00:51:12,680 --> 00:51:16,680
Speaker 1: young children. Have you really just sat back and embraced

800
00:51:16,760 --> 00:51:19,680
Speaker 1: what you've created for our community?

801
00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:23,160
Speaker 3: Well? Thanks for all those kind words, but I am

802
00:51:23,320 --> 00:51:25,960
Speaker 3: six months away from an age where I could actually

803
00:51:26,040 --> 00:51:26,279
Speaker 3: move in.

804
00:51:26,520 --> 00:51:27,759
Speaker 1: No, you're not a community.

805
00:51:27,840 --> 00:51:28,399
Speaker 3: Yes I am.

806
00:51:29,040 --> 00:51:29,920
Speaker 1: No, you're not.

807
00:51:31,360 --> 00:51:36,280
Speaker 3: I have gray hair, yellow teeth, and wrinkles and I'm

808
00:51:36,640 --> 00:51:46,239
Speaker 3: and I'm anyway, but I uh, you go for Stephanie,

809
00:51:46,520 --> 00:51:49,359
Speaker 3: I just wanted to I just wanted to clarify I

810
00:51:49,400 --> 00:51:51,560
Speaker 3: am not a young person having young.

811
00:51:52,440 --> 00:51:55,600
Speaker 1: You're you're a young chicken, you know, right.

812
00:51:56,440 --> 00:51:57,680
Speaker 3: I guess that's here.

813
00:51:57,840 --> 00:52:00,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, that is so nice and right that got you.

814
00:52:01,120 --> 00:52:05,839
Speaker 4: And I also it's just like, no, I don't think

815
00:52:05,880 --> 00:52:09,719
Speaker 4: of those things, and I don't think we operate from

816
00:52:09,719 --> 00:52:13,520
Speaker 4: that place. And sometimes I'm a little blindsided by it

817
00:52:13,600 --> 00:52:18,960
Speaker 4: because it's like when I hear that, I'm like, oh God,

818
00:52:19,160 --> 00:52:24,680
Speaker 4: Like there's so much more to do for people. It's

819
00:52:24,760 --> 00:52:29,480
Speaker 4: tricky because in mentioning the Family Equality Award, like we

820
00:52:29,600 --> 00:52:32,040
Speaker 4: met so many people there that were from so many

821
00:52:32,080 --> 00:52:36,719
Speaker 4: different places and states and that were so thankful, and

822
00:52:36,760 --> 00:52:41,319
Speaker 4: it's like, God, you know, people are in pockets and

823
00:52:41,360 --> 00:52:44,359
Speaker 4: they're looking, and I remember being in those pockets, and

824
00:52:44,440 --> 00:52:48,320
Speaker 4: I remember seeing people going going, Oh, there's my people.

825
00:52:48,520 --> 00:52:50,600
Speaker 4: They're not on my street, they're not at my school,

826
00:52:50,640 --> 00:52:53,080
Speaker 4: They're nowhere, They're nowhere around me. But I see that

827
00:52:53,120 --> 00:52:55,920
Speaker 4: I got to go toward those people, and so I

828
00:52:55,960 --> 00:52:58,400
Speaker 4: know that feeling. But being on the other side of

829
00:52:58,400 --> 00:53:00,439
Speaker 4: that is a little hard that can deal.

830
00:53:02,080 --> 00:53:04,480
Speaker 1: It's fair well. I just hope you both receive it

831
00:53:04,920 --> 00:53:09,080
Speaker 1: and know how special and important the work you choose

832
00:53:09,160 --> 00:53:11,839
Speaker 1: to do, but most importantly the way you show up

833
00:53:12,440 --> 00:53:16,239
Speaker 1: it really spreads the right kind of message and light

834
00:53:16,320 --> 00:53:19,800
Speaker 1: in the community when right now things feel a little hard.

835
00:53:20,280 --> 00:53:25,080
Speaker 1: And you know with that, I'm curious how, in terms

836
00:53:25,120 --> 00:53:28,719
Speaker 1: of family, work and love, what do you feel right

837
00:53:28,760 --> 00:53:31,920
Speaker 1: now is the most sacred that you want to protect

838
00:53:33,080 --> 00:53:36,480
Speaker 1: in this current landscape and this new twenty twenty six

839
00:53:36,680 --> 00:53:41,879
Speaker 1: and where we're at. What is the most sacred thing

840
00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:45,440
Speaker 1: for both of you at this point in your personal

841
00:53:45,440 --> 00:53:49,160
Speaker 1: life or your career, or how you tie it all together.

842
00:53:50,600 --> 00:53:53,120
Speaker 3: I know I've for myself, I mean, part of what

843
00:53:53,360 --> 00:53:59,279
Speaker 3: really shifted for me making this. The documentary is called

844
00:53:59,320 --> 00:54:01,880
Speaker 3: Come See Me in the Good Light, the Andrew Gibson

845
00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:09,520
Speaker 3: film that I produced. Working on that, I realized I

846
00:54:09,719 --> 00:54:15,239
Speaker 3: was in interviews telling people that I was finding that

847
00:54:15,320 --> 00:54:20,520
Speaker 3: work life balance, and then it hit me one day

848
00:54:20,680 --> 00:54:25,160
Speaker 3: that I wasn't. I was just saying what I thought

849
00:54:25,800 --> 00:54:28,040
Speaker 3: I should say in an interview. I just wasn't thinking.

850
00:54:28,040 --> 00:54:29,959
Speaker 3: I was like, yeah, you know, I'm finding the work

851
00:54:29,960 --> 00:54:32,640
Speaker 3: life balance, and you know, and I was just bouncing

852
00:54:32,680 --> 00:54:35,280
Speaker 3: along when I was talking to people, and then I realized,

853
00:54:36,280 --> 00:54:40,040
Speaker 3: I'm not even connected to what I'm saying. I don't

854
00:54:40,080 --> 00:54:45,719
Speaker 3: have work life balance. And it's you know, it's it's

855
00:54:45,880 --> 00:54:49,120
Speaker 3: a cliche because it's true, but that at the end

856
00:54:49,200 --> 00:54:51,520
Speaker 3: of life people wish they didn't work as much and

857
00:54:51,560 --> 00:54:54,000
Speaker 3: that they spent more time with their loved ones, and

858
00:54:55,160 --> 00:54:59,600
Speaker 3: that I am really putting into motion. And I don't

859
00:54:59,640 --> 00:55:02,040
Speaker 3: want and maybe this is the part of me that's

860
00:55:02,080 --> 00:55:05,759
Speaker 3: not competitive, but I don't want more and more and

861
00:55:07,520 --> 00:55:11,239
Speaker 3: the power, the fame, the I don't I don't need

862
00:55:11,280 --> 00:55:17,560
Speaker 3: to be, you know, the wealthiest, most powerful, richest, famous person.

863
00:55:18,120 --> 00:55:21,000
Speaker 3: That's not what I'm looking for. I want to what

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Speaker 3: I want to maintain is the incredible life that I

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Speaker 3: have and and all of it, and I want it

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Speaker 3: to be exactly what it is, which is authentic and

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00:55:32,960 --> 00:55:36,640
Speaker 3: genuine and real. And the things that Stephanie and I

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00:55:36,680 --> 00:55:39,879
Speaker 3: are putting out, like she said she does, she's not

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00:55:39,960 --> 00:55:43,359
Speaker 3: really thinking too much about Like it's not like this

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00:55:44,040 --> 00:55:47,759
Speaker 3: we got to do this for this person or community

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00:55:47,880 --> 00:55:54,200
Speaker 3: or this. It comes from a very real place. I

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00:55:54,280 --> 00:55:58,919
Speaker 3: want to do this. This feels right to me. And

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00:55:59,000 --> 00:56:02,960
Speaker 3: so what we're putting out we're feeling a real connection

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00:56:03,120 --> 00:56:07,239
Speaker 3: to and all of it's just it all goes back

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00:56:07,280 --> 00:56:12,400
Speaker 3: to a real connection. And I think that the real

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00:56:12,480 --> 00:56:16,000
Speaker 3: connection I want to have with my family comes through

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00:56:17,520 --> 00:56:20,480
Speaker 3: finding a real connection with how I want to work

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00:56:20,640 --> 00:56:23,720
Speaker 3: what I want to put out there. I'm not thinking

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00:56:23,760 --> 00:56:27,600
Speaker 3: about this comedian has this, so I need to have that,

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00:56:27,760 --> 00:56:33,040
Speaker 3: and York or this is That's not the filter that

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00:56:33,120 --> 00:56:36,839
Speaker 3: I am that I'm looking through at all they can

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00:56:36,920 --> 00:56:42,319
Speaker 3: have that I have really like what I have is

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00:56:42,600 --> 00:56:48,440
Speaker 3: so phenomenal, Like I cannot believe my life. I cannot

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00:56:48,480 --> 00:56:51,239
Speaker 3: believe my life. So I want to maintain what I have.

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00:56:51,920 --> 00:56:56,920
Speaker 3: I don't want to be focused on And that's not

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00:56:56,960 --> 00:56:59,719
Speaker 3: to say that there's anything bad with being competitive. Stu

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00:57:00,160 --> 00:57:02,440
Speaker 3: is very competitive, and it's great that we have one

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00:57:02,480 --> 00:57:07,480
Speaker 3: of us. But but anyway, I don't know, I'm kind

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00:57:07,520 --> 00:57:10,440
Speaker 3: of talking in circles. But I want to maint I

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Speaker 3: love what I have and I want to keep that,

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00:57:13,400 --> 00:57:15,840
Speaker 3: and so I want to I want to stay focused

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00:57:16,320 --> 00:57:21,600
Speaker 3: on what work I really connect to. I want to

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00:57:21,640 --> 00:57:24,960
Speaker 3: stay focused on I tell Stephanie, like, I want to

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00:57:24,960 --> 00:57:26,800
Speaker 3: be a better spouse to you, I want to be

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Speaker 3: a better parent. I want to keep focusing on that.

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00:57:29,360 --> 00:57:33,600
Speaker 3: I wanted that really really keep being better because what

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00:57:33,760 --> 00:57:38,160
Speaker 3: I have, I know, is so so great.

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Speaker 1: So US athletes call that, you know, really being in

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Speaker 1: the moment. That's we know we're really in the moment.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I love that.

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Speaker 1: Thanks Tag, and I really appreciate both of your your

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00:57:53,880 --> 00:57:57,000
Speaker 1: honesty and author You're just so authentic with the way

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00:57:58,440 --> 00:58:01,920
Speaker 1: you live your life through your work and everything. Is

904
00:58:02,120 --> 00:58:06,520
Speaker 1: just has been really enjoyable to see. You know, this

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00:58:06,560 --> 00:58:08,960
Speaker 1: is the first time we've ever been together, but through

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00:58:09,000 --> 00:58:11,440
Speaker 1: your work, there's a part of me that feels attached

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00:58:11,480 --> 00:58:13,920
Speaker 1: to you. And I think that's the beauty of art.

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00:58:14,800 --> 00:58:17,800
Speaker 1: It's really it's like sport, right, it makes you feel

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00:58:17,840 --> 00:58:21,520
Speaker 1: seen and you're connected with these people shoulder to shoulder

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00:58:21,600 --> 00:58:25,480
Speaker 1: fighting for the same fight, and whether you're competitive or not,

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00:58:25,800 --> 00:58:30,920
Speaker 1: that sense of belonging, whether it's sport or film, we're

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00:58:30,960 --> 00:58:35,040
Speaker 1: providing that to people to have that sense of belonging

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00:58:35,160 --> 00:58:38,120
Speaker 1: and show them that, like you aren't alone and you

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00:58:38,160 --> 00:58:42,640
Speaker 1: can feel so many raw and real emotions through it.

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00:58:43,040 --> 00:58:45,240
Speaker 1: And I think that's such a beautiful thing. We have

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00:58:45,440 --> 00:58:49,720
Speaker 1: been given the gift to provide to a lot of

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00:58:49,760 --> 00:58:53,280
Speaker 1: people that see us but we may not know. So

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Speaker 1: I just wanted to say thank you both for it

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00:58:57,360 --> 00:59:01,120
Speaker 1: all that you give, and it has been a real

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00:59:01,200 --> 00:59:06,400
Speaker 1: light to see the growth and the raw and realness

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Speaker 1: and truth through what you both create. So thank you

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Speaker 1: and happy anniversary. Come on what I know, thank you

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00:59:19,920 --> 00:59:25,840
Speaker 1: thirteen years. Yeah, well, thank you both for joining us,

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00:59:25,960 --> 00:59:28,840
Speaker 1: and thank you for being so vulnerable and wide open.

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00:59:29,640 --> 00:59:35,640
Speaker 1: And yeah, I hope everyone goes out and watches the doc,

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00:59:35,760 --> 00:59:39,080
Speaker 1: the doc, the movie and it really was life changing

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Speaker 1: Apple TV. Everyone, please, you do not want to miss it.

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00:59:44,280 --> 00:59:47,200
Speaker 1: I imagine you guys are always busy, so I'm sure

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00:59:47,240 --> 00:59:51,680
Speaker 1: you're working on a million projects. But yeah, everyone go

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00:59:51,680 --> 00:59:54,200
Speaker 1: go give Stephanie and take a follow and if you

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Speaker 1: haven't listened to Handso podcasts, do yourself a favor. It's

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00:59:57,800 --> 01:00:03,280
Speaker 1: one of my absolute favorites. It's very it has it

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Speaker 1: really is. But we need it. We need that lateness,

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01:00:06,680 --> 01:00:11,280
Speaker 1: we need that laughter, We need just something out there

935
01:00:11,320 --> 01:00:14,120
Speaker 1: that we can consume weekly that feels, you know, well,

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Speaker 1: here's a fun place to be.

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Speaker 3: I've got something else you can consume. I'm on the

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Speaker 3: new Star Trek series called Starfleet Academy starring Holly Hunter.

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01:00:25,640 --> 01:00:29,440
Speaker 3: Paul Giamatti is the bad guy. There's an incredible cast

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01:00:29,520 --> 01:00:34,720
Speaker 3: of young space cadets coming up and in the Academy,

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Speaker 3: and it's just it premieres. It's premiered in mid January,

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Speaker 3: but it's on Paramount Plus.

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Speaker 1: See Paramount Plus.

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Speaker 3: Yep, check that out. I am Commander jet Reno and

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01:00:47,280 --> 01:00:48,360
Speaker 3: I'll see you and.

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Speaker 1: Yeah you are. Yeah, Well, thank you both, and we'll

947
01:00:53,360 --> 01:00:56,919
Speaker 1: see you all next time. On Wide Open. I love

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01:00:57,000 --> 01:01:00,440
Speaker 1: conversations that make you laugh and breathe a little deeper

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Speaker 1: at the same time. And that's exactly what sitting with

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01:01:03,520 --> 01:01:07,760
Speaker 1: Tig and Stephanie does. There's something really powerful about watching

951
01:01:07,800 --> 01:01:12,800
Speaker 1: two people choose each other through joy, through chaos, through parenting.

952
01:01:13,000 --> 01:01:17,160
Speaker 1: Grief and creativity and still find ways to keep laughing

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01:01:17,200 --> 01:01:19,680
Speaker 1: along the way. Tig's film I'll See You in the

954
01:01:19,680 --> 01:01:22,920
Speaker 1: Good Light is such a beautiful reminder that love doesn't

955
01:01:23,040 --> 01:01:27,080
Speaker 1: end when someone leaves, It just changes shape, and Handsome

956
01:01:27,120 --> 01:01:31,480
Speaker 1: continues to prove that humor and community can be healing

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01:01:31,560 --> 01:01:35,600
Speaker 1: in ways we didn't always expect. Check out Tig's new

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01:01:35,640 --> 01:01:40,680
Speaker 1: comedy tour starting January, Out of Nowhere Tour and that

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01:01:40,800 --> 01:01:44,360
Speaker 1: is on tig nation dot com. I'm so grateful they

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01:01:44,440 --> 01:01:47,240
Speaker 1: trusted me with their story today and I hope this

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Speaker 1: conversation gave you a little bit more comfort, a little

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Speaker 1: bit more laughter, and maybe a reminder to hold your

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Speaker 1: people a little closer today. Thank you for being here

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Speaker 1: with us. I'll see you next time on White Open.

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Speaker 1: Wide Open with Ashlin Harris is an iHeart women's sports production.

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Speaker 1: You can find us on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts,

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Speaker 1: or wherever you get your podcasts. Our producers are Carmen

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Speaker 1: Borca Correo, Emily Maronoff, and Lucy Jones. Production assistants from

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Speaker 1: Malia Aguidello. Our executive producers are Jesse Katz, Jenny Kaplan

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Speaker 1: and Emily Rudder. Our Editors are Jenny Kaplan and Emily Rudder,

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Speaker 1: and I'm your host Ashlyn Harris.