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Speaker 1: the recruitment of Michael Jordan back in the early eighties.

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Speaker 1: do period. By the way, two full nights the world's

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Speaker 1: biggest superstars wear off its Sofi stadium. WrestleMania goes Hollywood.

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Speaker 1: Pacific only on Peacock. Speaking of Sofi Stadium, apparently you

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Speaker 1: just don't get that much for a couple of what

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Speaker 1: three or four billion dollars. You got a wonderful football stadium,

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Speaker 1: You got the Super Bowl, you won the Super Bowl,

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Speaker 1: and then we were wondering would the World Cup be

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Speaker 1: held at Sofi Stadium? And we'll go to our soccer correspondence,

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Speaker 1: Eaton O'Connor on that. Why is Sofi not going to

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Speaker 1: be able to host the World Cup? Well, despite I

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Speaker 1: think at the time of construction they were aware the

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Speaker 1: or at least the possibility of it. But apparently Sofi

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Speaker 1: Stadium in La it's pitch, Dan, it's too narrow to

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Speaker 1: host FIFA's show piece of end the World Cup. Okay,

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Speaker 1: by how much it would take out like something like

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Speaker 1: ten thousand seats or something like that, which that also

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Speaker 1: then lowers the capacity thresholds that FIFA requires. So if

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Speaker 1: you took out the seats to expand the pitch, now

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Speaker 1: you're down too many seats. Yeah, that would be a conundrum. Yes, okay, yes,

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Speaker 1: said so there wasn't some time of meeting with a

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Speaker 1: bunch of engineers, you know, eight nine years ago, and

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Speaker 1: they said, you know, World Cup, we gotta make sure

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Speaker 1: named Billager goes, yeah, I mean they knew this coming,

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Speaker 1: like he said, this can't be a surprise. Well, I

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Speaker 1: understand with a hockey rink that not all hockey rinks

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Speaker 1: were the same dimensions for a long time. I don't

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Speaker 1: know if that's still the case, but I don't. You

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Speaker 1: can't do that for soccer. You can't do that for football.

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Speaker 1: You can do it for baseball. You can have your

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Speaker 1: own dimensions there. But that would be a little bit

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Speaker 1: of a problem. Would we even have noticed. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I don't know how egregious this is, like, oh my god,

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Speaker 1: they're twenty feet you know off. But wouldn't you think, Okay,

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Speaker 1: what can what can we not hold at Sofi Stadium? Nope,

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Speaker 1: for this amount of money, four billion dollars, we can

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Speaker 1: we can hold anything except for the World Cup. Okay, sorry,

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Speaker 1: I thought this was America. Okay, it's football, American football.

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Speaker 1: And by the way, this is Los Angeles is a

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Speaker 1: soccer craze town. They love their soccer there. Yes, ton Now,

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Speaker 1: when the format of the project was using a tape measure,

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Speaker 1: that should have alerted some people that this may not

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Speaker 1: be the dimensions that we're looking for. Men a tape

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Speaker 1: measures of a valid measuring instrument maybe shot for a stadium. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think it should have used a day. If you're

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Speaker 1: That was the point. I say good morning to those

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Speaker 1: hope there's still four hundred cities that carry this program. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: you can watch for free. Japan beats USA to win

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Speaker 1: the World Baseball Classic, and this is how it sounded.

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Speaker 1: The final out as Shoho Tani faces Mike Trout, Oh,

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Speaker 1: Tommy's ready, Trout's ready three two, Hey struck him out.

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Speaker 1: Oh Tanny strikes out Trout and Japan's pick on top

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Speaker 1: of the baseball world. It was a lot of fun

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Speaker 1: and baseball has had a great six weeks here with

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Speaker 1: I thought it was a lot of fun. The atmosphere

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Speaker 1: if you want a showcase and he showcased, uh, it

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Speaker 1: should be showcase Otani because what he did. Yeah, okay, Todd,

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Speaker 1: little after seven am in Los Angeles. But given his history,

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Speaker 1: I mean it looked bad. Saint John's introduces Rick Pettino,

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Speaker 1: this is if you're Saint John's, this is what you want.

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Speaker 1: Get some eyeballs on the program, Rick Pettino. Rick Pettino

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Speaker 1: That's where the regionals are. So Patino can go there

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Speaker 1: don't know. See, this is where parents would be more

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Speaker 1: And that's gonna be, you know, the tough part of this.

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Speaker 1: But if I'm Rick Pettino and I go into your

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Speaker 1: of Patino is he can recruit, he can coach and

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Speaker 1: Somebody was upset. A friend of mine who went to Providence.

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Speaker 1: And I go, you know what tampering is in college

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Speaker 1: sports now is when your coach gets poached. But when

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Speaker 1: poached Ed Cooley? Uh? Did you poach Ed Cooley? When

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Speaker 1: really hard to break a rule, you know, it is. Yeah, Paully. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: when was Ed Cooley contacted by Georgetown? When did he

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Speaker 1: agree verbally to the job? Was he recruiting? Who was

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Speaker 1: internet chatter about how that's gonna work? Yes, and that's

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Speaker 1: what my friend brought up. Well, that he lost what

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Speaker 1: that Georgetown was going to reach out to you? But look,

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Speaker 1: Georgetown has had a full year, if not two years,

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Speaker 1: to be looking for Patrick Ewing to replacement. Okay, so

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Speaker 1: financially because Georgetown, you know, aside from John Thompson, what

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Speaker 1: relevant basketball program for a long time. And I was surprised.

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Speaker 1: But Ed Cooley had been there what eleven years? Me

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Speaker 1: Maybe I go here, I can make more money, and

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Speaker 1: I'm going to be following Patrick Ewing, and then that's

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Speaker 1: not going to be difficult to pass up. Like Fairley

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Speaker 1: he wanted to do, and he didn't want to go

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Speaker 1: with Nike, that's for sure. So it was my greatest journey.

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Speaker 1: And you know, I've had a few of these things,

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Speaker 1: but the other things basically in my life, Dan I controlled,

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Speaker 1: whether it was that first All Star game, whether it

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Speaker 1: was paying the coaches, it was, you know, seriously, my idea.

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Speaker 1: This was an idea that was given to me, the

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Speaker 1: opportunity by you know, Phil Knight and Rob Strousser and

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Speaker 1: Peter More especially Robin and Phil. They gave me the Okay,

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Speaker 1: I never thought in my wildest dreams that I would

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Speaker 1: ever be involved on the professional side and recruiting a

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Speaker 1: player that was going to be the signature of Nike ever.

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Speaker 1: But I didn't know if it was more about recruiting

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Speaker 1: Michael's mom in the movie, played by Viola Davis, or

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Speaker 1: was it more about recruiting Michael to Nike. Michael was

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Speaker 1: always Michael, but I knew that family, not specifically Missus Jordan.

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Speaker 1: At that time, the family was what guided Michael. So

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Speaker 1: after the first meeting, I knew that the only way

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Speaker 1: to Michael's heart was we got to convince his family.

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Speaker 1: I didn't assume, and I don't want to think anyone

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Speaker 1: is there I think that I said we're gonna go

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Speaker 1: from this. I just said I knew family was big,

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Speaker 1: and that's shore a period of time, and Michael Jordan

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Speaker 1: really only listened to family and then mom. There's no question.

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Speaker 1: Didn't Nike make Michael? Did Michael make Nike? YEA. Let

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Speaker 1: me just say this, I have no idea what history.

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Speaker 1: Neither do you, mister Patrie. But without Michael Jordan, he

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Speaker 1: made everything and he made you. People in the media

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Speaker 1: talk about the goat, the best player and all that.

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Speaker 1: I'm not going to involve a crab because I believe

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Speaker 1: personally the goat is the guy who's the best player

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Speaker 1: in the generation he played. So let's get past the goat. Stop.

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Speaker 1: Let's get past Michael with the Lebron and you know

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Speaker 1: this guy and that guy. But what he was the

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Speaker 1: goat dog for Nike. Start with Nike, but the rest

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Speaker 1: of the world was marketing. What he did he opened

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Speaker 1: up a billion trillion dollar industry for people that he

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Speaker 1: never met. And who are they? The athletes and particularly

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Speaker 1: the minority athletes of today's society. He opened up a

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Speaker 1: venue that he could be a part ownership in. He's

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Speaker 1: Sonny Vicara, the former sports marketing executive. He signed Michael

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Speaker 1: Jordan to that first sneaker deal at Nike. So you

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Speaker 1: leave Nike, you go to Adidas. You have a chance

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Speaker 1: to sign Lebron because he wore Adidas in high school.

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Speaker 1: I believe how did Adidas screw that up? That Lebron

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Speaker 1: ended up going to Nike. Lebron's story is quite different

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Speaker 1: than the Michael story. I knew. You know Lebron's family

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Speaker 1: including mom and all all the young you know Africans

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Speaker 1: when they were sensed the eleventh grade in high school.

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Speaker 1: That one was someone when I made my break. It

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Speaker 1: was like when I found Kobe for Adidas in ninety

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Speaker 1: six or ninety seven and Tracy the next year after that.

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Speaker 1: That I did that pretty good. And I knew this

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Speaker 1: kid was gonna be pretty good because the people were

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Speaker 1: in you know, his hometown. They brought a film to

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Speaker 1: be but Adidas screwed up the way Adidas historically screws up. Okay,

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Speaker 1: they should have had Michael Jordan this conversation in eighty four.

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Speaker 1: Michael would have gone with them for fifty cents more

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Speaker 1: for a financial part of it. They offered much more

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Speaker 1: on the surface until we squeetened upart and said you're

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Speaker 1: going to get a percentage. So Lebron, Lebron was ignorant.

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Speaker 1: Adidas made a whole le mistake, a horrible state they changed.

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00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:08,520
Speaker 1: I offered Lebron, you know, one hundred million dollars ten

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Speaker 1: million dollars a year while he was still in high school.

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Speaker 1: Never signed anything, We didn't break any violations. I met

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Speaker 1: him in this family, you know, and I said, this

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Speaker 1: is what it's going to be. And until that moment,

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Speaker 1: until the day of the signing, were you're supposed to sign.

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Speaker 1: I was given permission. Dan. In my lifetime, whoever I

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Speaker 1: work for, I never spent other people's money without him

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Speaker 1: giving me the opportunity to just spend other people's money.

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Speaker 1: It wasn't like I was guaranteeing it. But Adidas told

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Speaker 1: me that give him the ten million a year. I

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Speaker 1: go to this meeting, and you know, in Malibu, when

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Speaker 1: Lebron flies out and you know, the team flies out,

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Speaker 1: we're lining in a dining I was in this home.

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Speaker 1: I was back, you know, and you know, in Ohio

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Speaker 1: with them, I watched them grow up and all that

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Speaker 1: sort of stuff. We opened up the contract. It wasn't

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Speaker 1: nine million. They had incentives in there. Well, my first life.

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Speaker 1: The first thing was, you know, even you're given a

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Speaker 1: guy one hundred million dollars, you're worried about the sentives.

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Speaker 1: You're hope, you're hoping he can play. I mean, that's bull.

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Speaker 1: Excuse me, but my point, my point there, Dan, is

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Speaker 1: they said, no, Well the rest is history. You know,

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Speaker 1: when I opened up, I told Lebron and his mom

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Speaker 1: that I hugged him and Pam and I went over

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Speaker 1: the corner of this mansion in Malibu, and I said,

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Speaker 1: you go to Nike and you get yourself. Good joke.

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Speaker 1: Don't tell them that we screwed up. Play play the

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Speaker 1: music with him, you know, make him pay whatever it was.

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Speaker 1: So they screwed up. I don't know if we were

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Speaker 1: to sign him, and I still believe Nike would have

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Speaker 1: eventually gone over it. I mean, but I don't know

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Speaker 1: if that's true too. This is still two thousand, what one,

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Speaker 1: two three, whatever it is, right, I mean, we're not

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Speaker 1: ready yet. Lebron set the next thing. Lebron came in

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Speaker 1: and overcome what Kobe had done. You know, by by

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Speaker 1: that time, you know, Kobe's a great player and all

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Speaker 1: that stuff. He has a misque, you know, he you know,

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00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:08,400
Speaker 1: he changed his shoe companies and all that stuff. Lebron

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Speaker 1: was the next one. And Lebron came as closest to

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Speaker 1: getting what Michael got in his own shoe, but he

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Speaker 1: didn't get it out of it. Adda screwed up. I've

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Speaker 1: known him for a long time. And if you would

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Speaker 1: have said somebody was going to play you in a movie,

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Speaker 1: I probably wouldn't have picked Matt Damon. I wouldn't have

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Speaker 1: picked somebody as good looking as Matt Damon. But yeah, congratulations. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: well well that is more than congratulations, Matt Damon playing me.

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Speaker 1: You know, Dan, you have known me a long time,

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Speaker 1: and I'm so glad we get to talk to talk

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Speaker 1: about this subject because you've been with me where times

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00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:47,880
Speaker 1: weren't so good, where sometimes you and a couple of

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Speaker 1: other guys gave me a chance to talk about what

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Speaker 1: it was I was trying to do, you know, so

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Speaker 1: to hear you know, Matt Damon on me my god,

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Speaker 1: I mean, you know, Ben and the whole cast. I mean,

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00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:04,719
Speaker 1: these guys are amazing. I mean Ben, I mean their background.

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00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:07,680
Speaker 1: I couldn't have picked any I mean, who would I

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Speaker 1: to pick. I never thought the day would come. This

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00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:16,240
Speaker 1: never entered my mind, mister Pattrick. Ever, So if I

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00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:20,360
Speaker 1: should die tomorrow, when we hang up, okay, I will

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00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:24,440
Speaker 1: know that I'm at peace with whatever you know happens

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00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:28,320
Speaker 1: and whatever talked about, because I've watched the evolution of

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00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:32,880
Speaker 1: something that very few had a chance to watch, the

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Speaker 1: evolution of a human being that actually changed the patterns

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Speaker 1: of America. And that evolution was Michael Jordan. I'm happy

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Speaker 1: for you, Sonny, and uh, you know, continue, good health

549
00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:47,400
Speaker 1: there in Palm Springs, and good luck with the movie.

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00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:49,560
Speaker 1: I pray to God I get to see you and

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00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:53,880
Speaker 1: your family one more between we'd make the last rodeo here. Okay,

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00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:56,240
Speaker 1: thank you, budd all right, God bless you, thank you,

553
00:31:56,560 --> 00:32:00,400
Speaker 1: and Sonny for Carroll didn't expect that at the end

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00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:04,320
Speaker 1: of the interview. But I hope he's in good spirits,

555
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:06,920
Speaker 1: good health. He's in good hands with his wife, Pam.

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00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:11,000
Speaker 1: But Sonny, Sonny been around college basketball a long, long

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00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:16,400
Speaker 1: long time, and I think it nineteen eighty two. I've

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00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:19,800
Speaker 1: known him forty years. And the highs and lows, good

559
00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:25,680
Speaker 1: and bad from Nike, Adidas, Reebok and what he did

560
00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:30,479
Speaker 1: for these college coaches and to get them on board,

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00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:34,400
Speaker 1: get them under contract, and then pay them, and then

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00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:37,320
Speaker 1: their kids were going to wear Nike shoes. I mean,

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00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:39,640
Speaker 1: that's that's the evolution of all to this, That these

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00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:42,880
Speaker 1: coaches weren't making a lot of money, and then Nike

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00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:45,520
Speaker 1: and Sonny made sure that the coaches made a lot

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Speaker 1: of money off the shoe deals. Therefore, you were wearing

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00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:52,160
Speaker 1: Nike on the sidelines and your players were wearing Nike. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: And I think the byproduct of Michael Jordan going Nike

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Speaker 1: would be Bo Jackson because they hit a home run

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Speaker 1: with Jordan, and then when they get a hold of

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Speaker 1: Bo Jackson, they like the green light to create a

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Speaker 1: brand around him. And you know, Nike was rolling at

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Speaker 1: that point when they when they brought Bo Jackson, they

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00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:08,800
Speaker 1: made him to one of the most famous athletes in

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Speaker 1: the world. The movie comes out April fifth, and you

576
00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:15,320
Speaker 1: don't have to know basketball because it's this is like

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Speaker 1: Jerry McGuire. There's a Jerry McGuire feel to this, maybe

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00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:23,160
Speaker 1: a little moneyball feel to this, and it's well done.

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Speaker 1: Matt Damon, Ben Affleck, Jason Bateman, Violda Davis, and Chris

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Speaker 1: Tucker and you're watching the movie and at the time,

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Speaker 1: you know, Nike wasn't Nike what it is today. And

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00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:38,360
Speaker 1: they were looking at all of the players who were

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Speaker 1: going to be drafted, and they're going down the list

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Speaker 1: and they looked at Charles Barkley and John Stockton, Mel Turpin,

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Speaker 1: Lancaster Gordon and Sonny McCarroll kept coming back to Michael

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Speaker 1: Jordan and not spoiling anything here, but there's a moment

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Speaker 1: of clarity for Sonny McCarroll when he realizes the us

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Speaker 1: the brilliance of Michael Jordan And you've watched this play many, many, many,

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00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:08,200
Speaker 1: many many times. Michael hits the game winning shot North

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Speaker 1: Carolina Beach Georgetown. Sonny is watching it, and at the time,

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Speaker 1: James Worthy was the star of North Carolina and he

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Speaker 1: would go on to have a Hall of Fame career.

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Speaker 1: But Sonny looks at the play that they designed and

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Speaker 1: he says, look at this, and everybody's looking at the

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00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:31,160
Speaker 1: same play, and everybody's going, Okay, yeah, he hit the jumper,

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00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:35,960
Speaker 1: says no. Dean Smith diagrammed a play for a freshman

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00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:41,120
Speaker 1: to take that shot. James Worthy was the decoy and

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00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:44,440
Speaker 1: that was kind of the moment of truth, the epiphany there.

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00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:46,359
Speaker 1: It's like, oh my god, it's right there in front

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Speaker 1: of me. Dean Smith already knew what the rest of

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00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:54,080
Speaker 1: America was going to find out sooner than later. Of

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Speaker 1: the you know, the greatness of Michael Jordan Worthy is

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Speaker 1: going to how many times would the best player be

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00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:03,120
Speaker 1: used as a decoy? And then you're gonna have a

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Speaker 1: freshman take the jumper and make the jumper. And Jordan

606
00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:10,080
Speaker 1: was waiting for it, like you can see where he

607
00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:14,080
Speaker 1: knows he's getting the ball. And also back then he

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00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:20,160
Speaker 1: was known as Mike Jordan doesn't sound as intimidating. Hi, Mike, Hey, Mike,

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Speaker 1: how are you good? That's Michael. Oh okay. I'm not

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Speaker 1: worried about Mike unless it's Tyson. And I was worried

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Speaker 1: about him if he was just Michael Tyson and be like,

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Speaker 1: all right, boxer, I mean not Michael Moore. No, he's

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Speaker 1: not getting Michael Tyson. He's not beating anybody up. Yeah. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I wasn't gonna go with Michael. That would have been bad. Um.

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Speaker 1: Listen to This League Uncut with Chris Haynes and Mark

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Speaker 1: Stein on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you

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Speaker 1: get your podcasts. Get some phone calls here. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: mentioned that I've known Sonny McCarroll for forty years and

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Speaker 1: he really helped me navigate the coaching ranks there and

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Speaker 1: introduced me to John Thompson some of the bigger names

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Speaker 1: when I was just getting started at CNN and I

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Speaker 1: loved the sport and covered the sport, but he kind

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Speaker 1: of let me into the fraternity there and I never

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Speaker 1: forgot it and stayed in touch with him for a

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Speaker 1: long long time. And the movie is certainly you know,

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Speaker 1: verbal bouquet to him and what he did with Michael

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Speaker 1: Jordan and uh also Viola Davis's role as Michael Jordan's mom. Uh.

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Speaker 1: Let's see eight seven seven three d P show email

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Speaker 1: address DPA Dan Patrick dot com Chris in Virginia, Hi, Chris,

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Speaker 1: what's on your mind today? Hey? Uh? I had a

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Speaker 1: question um about Cam Newton. Would you would you think

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Speaker 1: that he'd come back as a tight end for the NFL?

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Speaker 1: Could he? Sure? Would he? No? These guys, it's like

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Speaker 1: Eric Crouch won a Heisman trow feat Nebraska as a

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Speaker 1: quarterback and he was going to be drafted by the

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Speaker 1: Rams and what the third round? Second or third round?

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Speaker 1: And they wanted him as a returner and he could

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Speaker 1: have been a Julian Edelman type. He didn't want to

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Speaker 1: do it. He wanted to be a quarterback. He could

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Speaker 1: have been Antoine Randall Lele. So you're a quarterback, you're

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Speaker 1: gonna have to change. He didn't want to do it.

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Speaker 1: Tim Tebow late in his career because we had said

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Speaker 1: it before, I'd said it to him. What about playing

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Speaker 1: tight end? Nope, I'm a quarterback. Cam Newton's a quarterback.

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Speaker 1: Cam Newton, I don't think we'd want to come back.

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Speaker 1: If I said Cam, you can start. You're going to

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Speaker 1: be a starting tight end Carolina. Let's say, would he

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Speaker 1: want to do it? I don't think he would, And

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Speaker 1: I don't know if he wants to play. I think

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Speaker 1: he likes to tell us that he could play, or

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Speaker 1: that he's better than quarterbacks. You know that he's better

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Speaker 1: than the quarterbacks. Not all the quarterbacks in the NFL

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Speaker 1: are better than him. He's a star, he's just not

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Speaker 1: a player anymore, and he misses that. I mean, imagine

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Speaker 1: that you've been an MVP, you went Super Bowl commercials,

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Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden, you're thirty three and

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Speaker 1: it's over. Athletes have midlife crisis, but it's not midlife,

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Speaker 1: it's right after they retire, Like what am I going

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Speaker 1: to do? But if you're going to maybe reclaim some

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Speaker 1: of that, I would think being an analyst, I would

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Speaker 1: be curious about Cam Newton to have somebody that young

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Speaker 1: and you're going to give that perspective of just playing

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Speaker 1: in the NFL instead of like CBS has guys who

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Speaker 1: haven't played in thirty years, or NBC with Tony Dungey

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Speaker 1: hasn't coached in a while, and you know Fox has

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Speaker 1: guys who haven't played in a long time. You know,

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Speaker 1: get that younger person on the set. It feels like

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Speaker 1: Amazon is that's their approach, getting Richard Sherman in there,

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Speaker 1: Andrew Whitworth, Thomas getting guys who were younger, and maybe

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Speaker 1: that's going to happen here soon with some of these

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Speaker 1: pregame shows. But I'd love to see Cam Newton. If

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Speaker 1: he really loves the game, you could you could use

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Speaker 1: him in a variety of ways. Uh, let's see Jeff

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Speaker 1: in La Hi, Jeff. Let's hey man, hey, real quick,

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Speaker 1: before we get into the Michael Jordan's ten point game.

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Speaker 1: Your friend from Providence. I was complaining about Ed Cooley.

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Speaker 1: Now if you listen to the DP bet show, you

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Speaker 1: would now have a bad Larry. It's a Providence. It's

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Speaker 1: not bad Larry. It's not bad Larry. It's it's a

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Speaker 1: friend of bad Larry's. All right, all right, So get

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Speaker 1: into that ten point game. I didn't want you guys spreading,

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Speaker 1: you know, misinformation about Michael Jordan's. That was the year

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Speaker 1: he broke his foot in eighty five in the back up,

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Speaker 1: and I'm pretty sure that was his first game back

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Speaker 1: from his broken foot. It says in his first game

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Speaker 1: back from injury, Jordan played thirteen minutes scored twelve points.

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Speaker 1: It wasn't his first game back from the broken foot.

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Speaker 1: I think third game back. His next game he had

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Speaker 1: seventeen points in fourteen minutes, and then he played sixteen

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Speaker 1: minutes in a game against the Caves. He scored eight points.

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Speaker 1: He literally played the game on one foot. Literally. The

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Speaker 1: loss was the fifth in a row for the Bulls

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Speaker 1: and saw them fall two and a half games back

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Speaker 1: of the eighth seed Cavaliers. Is that the year though,

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Speaker 1: that they beat the Cavs and then that's when they

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Speaker 1: when they eventually played the Celtics. That's right, that's the

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Speaker 1: Celtics series. Okay, he literally had three toes removed. I

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Speaker 1: don't know, imagine the deal that Nike cut. So they

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Speaker 1: signed Mike and then his rookie year and then his

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Speaker 1: second year he breaks his foot. Is that right? And

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Speaker 1: then so you have that huge deal and the fact

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Speaker 1: that air Jordan is down with broken foot, and then

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Speaker 1: they said shut it down the entire year, and Jordan said, nope,

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Speaker 1: I'm coming back, and he came back with a vengeance.

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Speaker 1: Coming up final hour, we'll talk to the former Senator,

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Speaker 1: former New York nick and Princeton grad Rhodes scholar show

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Speaker 1: off Bill Bradling on the passing of Willis Reed and

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Speaker 1: also college athletics now college basketball, former Princeton Tiger, his

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Speaker 1: school in the sweet sixteen. More phone calls as well

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Speaker 1: on this Wednesday Final hour. Right after this