WEBVTT - The Skybridge, Part 1

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Stuff to Blow Your Mind production of My

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<v Speaker 1>Heart Radio. Hey you welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind.

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<v Speaker 1>This is Robert Lamb and I am Joe McCormick. So

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<v Speaker 1>I've been kicking around the idea of doing a sky

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<v Speaker 1>bridge episode for a while. Um, these have always captivated

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<v Speaker 1>me whenever I've looked at city escapes, both real city

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<v Speaker 1>scapes and cities that I've visited or lived in, but

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<v Speaker 1>also just imagine cities, fictional cities, uh, futuristic cities that

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<v Speaker 1>one encounters in various films. Uh. These are of course

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<v Speaker 1>we're talking about sky bridges or sky uh walks or

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<v Speaker 1>you know, they're various terms one might use for these.

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<v Speaker 1>We're talking generally about enclosed bridges of metal and glass

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<v Speaker 1>or stone or other materials that connect artificial heights to

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<v Speaker 1>artificial heights. And UM, I don't know about about you, Joe,

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<v Speaker 1>if if you I don't think we've ever talked about this.

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<v Speaker 1>If you see if you share my my interest in

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<v Speaker 1>sky bridges, if you ever like gaze up at a

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<v Speaker 1>sky bridge in a city and just try and imagine

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<v Speaker 1>what it would be like to be up there in

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<v Speaker 1>it looking out. Oh absolutely, I mean there are a

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<v Speaker 1>number of these around the world, but they're rare enough

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<v Speaker 1>that they still they stick out when you see them,

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<v Speaker 1>I guess, unless you're in a in a city that

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<v Speaker 1>has a lot of them, like Calgary or something. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, that they look like something that's a kind

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<v Speaker 1>of obvious solution that you would expect to see more

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<v Speaker 1>of in the city that's full of tall buildings. Yeah. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that we can will certainly get into the practical sides

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<v Speaker 1>of the sky bridge, but there's also something there's something

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<v Speaker 1>attractive about it that I find almost hard to put

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<v Speaker 1>into words because on one level, yes, there's a view

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<v Speaker 1>that is available to one in a sky bridge, and

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<v Speaker 1>generally speaking, you can often look in two directions at once,

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<v Speaker 1>and and that's that's pretty neat. But by and large,

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<v Speaker 1>there's not a tremendous amount of difference between being on

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<v Speaker 1>the tenth floor of the building and looking out at

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<v Speaker 1>the city as opposed to being on a tenth floor

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<v Speaker 1>sky bridge and looking out of the city. Um. But

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<v Speaker 1>but for some reason, if you gave me the choice

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<v Speaker 1>between the two, the sky bridge, of course, is tremendously

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<v Speaker 1>more attractive as an opportunity. Well, and in a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of recent sky bridges. They've started doing the thing where

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<v Speaker 1>they make the bottom out of transparent materials, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>some kind of tough glass, and of course, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the kids like to jump up and down on it.

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<v Speaker 1>That's always fun. Yeah, And I think maybe with sky

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<v Speaker 1>bridges to a lot of a lot of what makes

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<v Speaker 1>the sky bridge attractive and interesting, it's also it's actually

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<v Speaker 1>wrapped up in a deeper understanding of bridges, Like we're

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<v Speaker 1>essentially taking our already existing excitement for bridges, even though

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<v Speaker 1>we see bridges all the time, and maybe that that

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<v Speaker 1>gets kind of like pushed down in our consciousness, but

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<v Speaker 1>then it becomes new again when we look at something

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<v Speaker 1>like a sky bridge. And also sky bridges kind of

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<v Speaker 1>I think served to exaggerate the feats of skyscraper building. Like,

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<v Speaker 1>for instance, if I'm looking at just a normal skyscraper,

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<v Speaker 1>it may be really impressive, but if I see a

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<v Speaker 1>little i don't know, like a gargoyle up there or

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<v Speaker 1>some sort of like little space where a human being

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<v Speaker 1>could potentially stand for some reason, it draws me in more,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe like there's an artificial mountain aspect to it, And

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<v Speaker 1>then seeing the bridge up there kind of does as

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<v Speaker 1>much the same thing. Yeah. So in this look at

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<v Speaker 1>sky bridges, we're gonna drawn a several different sources. One

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<v Speaker 1>of the main sources that I'm gonna keep coming back to, though,

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<v Speaker 1>is a wonderful history overview of sky bridges titled sky

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<v Speaker 1>Bridges A History Interview to the Near Future by Anthony

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<v Speaker 1>Wood and Daniel Safaric of the Council of Tall Buildings

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<v Speaker 1>and Urban Habitat, published in two thousand nineteen in the

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<v Speaker 1>International Journal of High Rise Buildings. The authors here define

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<v Speaker 1>a sky bridge as quote a primarily enclosed space linking

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<v Speaker 1>two or more build things at height, and they make

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<v Speaker 1>a point of looking at structures that are, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>at least six stories and high to set them apart

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<v Speaker 1>from other mere pedestrian bridges and overpasses. Um, because I guess,

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<v Speaker 1>truly the sky bridge at least modern sky bridges have

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<v Speaker 1>a different feel altogether. Though some of the especially older

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<v Speaker 1>examples we're going to look at are not necessarily going

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<v Speaker 1>to be that high in the sky. Yeah, especially a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of the publicly accessible uh sky bridges or or

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<v Speaker 1>lower whatever you'd call the lower versions of them that

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<v Speaker 1>aren't like connecting two towers of essentially the same building

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<v Speaker 1>or buildings that have the same owner. Instead, they're you know,

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<v Speaker 1>forming a walkway for for people or pedestrians along a

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<v Speaker 1>sort of maybe like second story level in the city.

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<v Speaker 1>I mentioned the example of Calgary earlier. Calgary in Canada

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<v Speaker 1>has an extensive network of what have sometimes been called

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<v Speaker 1>sky bridges or skyways, but I think they're mostly on

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<v Speaker 1>more like the second story level, and and they're open

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<v Speaker 1>to the public. You know, people can walk all around

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<v Speaker 1>in them. Yeah. When you look of the the overall

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<v Speaker 1>history of skybridges, it's a mix of of passageways for

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<v Speaker 1>the elite, passageways for everyone and uh and and sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>you have kind of kind of like double deckers where

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<v Speaker 1>well one floor is for the residents, but the other

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<v Speaker 1>floors for tourists. Um, so that sort of thing. Also,

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<v Speaker 1>you have a mix of some of some of these

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<v Speaker 1>are still very much an operations. Some are not accessible

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<v Speaker 1>currently now I was I was recently in Chicago, and

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<v Speaker 1>while I was there, this was probably one of the

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<v Speaker 1>reasons that I decided, Yeah, I think now it's the

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<v Speaker 1>time to to go ahead into the skybridge episode. Because

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<v Speaker 1>I took one of these architectural tours by boat in

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<v Speaker 1>the city, which which I highly recommend it's a it's

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<v Speaker 1>a city that's it's uh, it's it's a steeped in

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<v Speaker 1>in in architecture. And therefore, if you understand the architectural

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<v Speaker 1>history of the city at least just a little bit,

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<v Speaker 1>you have I think a much better understanding of what

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<v Speaker 1>Chicago is when you when you walk around it, drive around, etcetera.

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<v Speaker 1>And Uh. One building in particular that you can't help

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<v Speaker 1>but notice is, of course the Wriggly Building. Uh. And indeed, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>you have this beautiful fourteenth story sky bridge connecting the

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<v Speaker 1>two sections. And at first glance you might think it's

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<v Speaker 1>made out of aluminum um, but it's actually made out

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<v Speaker 1>of allegheny nickel. Uh. So that's that's pretty interesting. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>if you look up pictures of the Wriggly Building, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you'll will definitely see this impressive sky bridge. Just trying

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<v Speaker 1>to remember if this shows up in The Fugitive, which

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<v Speaker 1>is a movie that I deeply associate with Chicago architecture

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<v Speaker 1>that I'm not quite sure why. I mean, obviously it's

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<v Speaker 1>in Chicago, I don't know what the architecture connection is.

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<v Speaker 1>I remember as a kid, I would look at pictures

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<v Speaker 1>of sky bridges and think, and you know, also watching

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of action films back in the day, I

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<v Speaker 1>kept thinking that there had to be like a great

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<v Speaker 1>action sequence where the hero has to run through a

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<v Speaker 1>sky bridge and maybe a helicopter is firing at him

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<v Speaker 1>in the sky bridge, or maybe there's a fight on

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<v Speaker 1>top of the sky bridge. And maybe my memories faint

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<v Speaker 1>on this, maybe these things actually happen in some movie

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<v Speaker 1>or TV show. But if they didn't, I'm I'm surprised

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<v Speaker 1>it never happened. It seems like the most logical place,

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<v Speaker 1>like a weird place for some sort of a fight

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<v Speaker 1>to take place. Like why why why didn't we see

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<v Speaker 1>this in Highlander? Right? The answer is insurance problems, that

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<v Speaker 1>that was a scene and they wanted to shoot but

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<v Speaker 1>they couldn't. Probably now, if anyone, if you're a New Yorker,

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<v Speaker 1>or certainly if you've even visited New York, you've seen

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<v Speaker 1>multiple examples of this. There are some great examples of

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<v Speaker 1>both old school and modern sky bridges. Uh, you can

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<v Speaker 1>look up lists of these. I know there's I think

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<v Speaker 1>there's at least one really picturesque one that's the viewable

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<v Speaker 1>from the high line there. But then of course we

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<v Speaker 1>don't have to go to New York in order to

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<v Speaker 1>experience a sky bridge, because Joe, we live in Atlanta,

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<v Speaker 1>and we have a pretty noteworthy example of sky bridges

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<v Speaker 1>or skyways as well, and that's Peachtree Center, designed by

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<v Speaker 1>Atlanta architect John C. Portman Jr. Uh Portman lived seventeen

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<v Speaker 1>and he's famed for popularizing the atrium as well as

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<v Speaker 1>just leaving a profound mark on downtown Atlanta and U

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<v Speaker 1>One of the things that he also did is especially

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<v Speaker 1>with again with Peachtree Center, here is we see this

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<v Speaker 1>um almost excessive use of of sky bridges and skyways

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<v Speaker 1>connecting these buildings to each other. Yeah, if you drive

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<v Speaker 1>around the city center streets, you will you will see

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<v Speaker 1>a number of these. Yeah. They have a very seventies

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<v Speaker 1>modern look to them, so they're they're not the classical

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<v Speaker 1>sky bridges. They're not these supermodern looking ones you'll see

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<v Speaker 1>in many of the examples today. But this is an

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<v Speaker 1>example we're gonna come back to later because it's actually

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<v Speaker 1>with Portman's work that we see some of the more

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<v Speaker 1>pronounced social criticisms of the basic concept of the sky bridge,

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<v Speaker 1>which are interesting to get into. Now, another local example

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<v Speaker 1>here in Atlanta. The High Museum of Art has some

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<v Speaker 1>great sky bridge is part of the Rinzo Piano designed

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<v Speaker 1>addition to the Core Museum in two thousand five. Joe,

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<v Speaker 1>I know you've walked through these Oh yeah, yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so there you always get some some brilliant sunline. There's

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<v Speaker 1>that all that beautiful white architecture going on. I think

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<v Speaker 1>I associate them with the sudden feeling of being irradiated

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<v Speaker 1>because you've been in the uh climate. Because you've been

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<v Speaker 1>you have the climate control galleries, and then suddenly, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>here's the sun now. Would in Safari point out that

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<v Speaker 1>the most common function of the sky bridge is of course,

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<v Speaker 1>to convey traffic from one building to another without forcing

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<v Speaker 1>individuals to descend down to the ground level or even

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<v Speaker 1>below ground level, potentially exiting and re entering the building, which,

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<v Speaker 1>of course, if you're dealing them, especially with a building

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<v Speaker 1>that has some sort of a security system in place

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<v Speaker 1>and security check ins and checkpoints, we can see where

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<v Speaker 1>that would that could become problematic. Easier to have people

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<v Speaker 1>uh enjoy access to both buildings the bridge um and

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<v Speaker 1>you also have situations where okay, maybe we don't want

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<v Speaker 1>people having to cross the street deal with traffic or

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<v Speaker 1>adverse environmental conditions. Yeah, I was trying to think what

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<v Speaker 1>would be the main factors motivating somebody to connect buildings

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<v Speaker 1>via skybridge versus just having people you know, enter an

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<v Speaker 1>exit at the surface level like they normally would. And yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>those are some of the main things that came to

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<v Speaker 1>mind for me. Bad weather and climate that that's got

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<v Speaker 1>to be a motivator, which is also true of places

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<v Speaker 1>that have more underground tunnels connecting buildings together. Um. But

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<v Speaker 1>then yeah, also bad traffic and like thoroughfares that are

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<v Speaker 1>hard to cross. So for example, uh, this this would

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<v Speaker 1>also include places where the where the streets are not

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<v Speaker 1>always streets, where there's not ground on the streets, such

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<v Speaker 1>as cities with canals. Sometimes you have sky bridges to

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<v Speaker 1>cross those. And then of course you have security concerns,

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<v Speaker 1>like if you have I don't know, high security government

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<v Speaker 1>buildings or something I mentioned, they try to limit the

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<v Speaker 1>necessity to go outside and enter a different door and

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<v Speaker 1>do that whole thing all over again. Yeah. So, so

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<v Speaker 1>obviously there are some some some basic reasons why you

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<v Speaker 1>might have a skybridge connecting to buildings. Um. However, the

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<v Speaker 1>authors here also classify some sky bridges as as quote

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<v Speaker 1>enclosed programmatic sky bridges, meaning that there's something about them,

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<v Speaker 1>something inside them to draw people to them beyond just

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<v Speaker 1>mere conveyance. For example, that one example they give is

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<v Speaker 1>the American Copper Buildings in New York City built in

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<v Speaker 1>two six which feature a robust two story skybridge full

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<v Speaker 1>of common rooms and swimming pools for residents. It's a

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<v Speaker 1>great place to go swimming. Yeah, it's it's it's an

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<v Speaker 1>interesting choice. I mean, it looks like it has a

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<v Speaker 1>tremendous view though, I would imagine, yeah, view and just

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<v Speaker 1>sort of novelty has got to be one of the

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<v Speaker 1>main points for these enclosed programmatic sky bridges, because again,

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<v Speaker 1>they're not so common connecting American buildings and in American

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<v Speaker 1>cities that you're just numb to them. Now, like going

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<v Speaker 1>into skybridge is kind of interesting and unique, unless you know,

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<v Speaker 1>you just happened to be one of the few people

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<v Speaker 1>who lives or works in buildings where you cross one

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<v Speaker 1>every day. Yeah. Now, they also bring up a few

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<v Speaker 1>additional expansions on the form. One is something they called

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<v Speaker 1>the sky plane, and this is essentially a shared horizontal

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<v Speaker 1>roof structure for two or more buildings. And the example

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<v Speaker 1>they bring up is Marina Based Sands in Singapore. Uh, Joe,

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<v Speaker 1>if you should probably just look up a picture of

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<v Speaker 1>Marina Bay Sands and and just take this in because

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<v Speaker 1>I would have to say, I mean, I'm I'm no

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<v Speaker 1>judge of architecture here, but it looks almost a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit ridiculous. It's this. It looks like there is a

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<v Speaker 1>ship perched atop three identical skyscrapers. Yes, it's a cruise ship.

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<v Speaker 1>There is a cruise ship on the buildings. Yeah, which

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I guess it looks really cool up there. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>it makes me a little bit queasy to look at

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<v Speaker 1>something these aerial shots of it for some reason. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it looks it looks very nice. Uh. And I guess,

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<v Speaker 1>And and certainly we can imagine it's that we may

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<v Speaker 1>come back to this one as we think about some

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<v Speaker 1>arguments to be made for similar structures. They also bring

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<v Speaker 1>up the idea of building as sky bridge. So this

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<v Speaker 1>is when the horizontal bar of the sky bridge is

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<v Speaker 1>so massive in comparison to the rest that it is

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<v Speaker 1>more of a defining part of the building itself rather

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<v Speaker 1>than something that bridges it. And this also is a

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<v Speaker 1>is a statement one could make about like the nature

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<v Speaker 1>of the skybridge. One of the examples will come to

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<v Speaker 1>in a in a minute. Either the skybridge is not

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<v Speaker 1>really um firmly set in place, it's kind of setting

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<v Speaker 1>in there, kind of slotted into place, whereas building as skybridge,

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<v Speaker 1>it's like it's all one structure. Um. The example they

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<v Speaker 1>bring up is the CCTV headquarters in Beijing. This is

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<v Speaker 1>a building I believe it was built in twenty eleven,

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<v Speaker 1>and it looks basically like a really boxy upside down

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<v Speaker 1>you very cool design. Yeah, i'd characterize it as it

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<v Speaker 1>looks like it was built out of the out of

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<v Speaker 1>giant versions of the L shaped Tetris blocks, and they're

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<v Speaker 1>connecting above the ground way you know, many many stories up.

0:14:13.040 --> 0:14:14.800
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, it's clear that this is not just a

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<v Speaker 1>little hallway connecting the upper levels of a skyscraper. A

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<v Speaker 1>substantial portion of the the occupied part of the building

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<v Speaker 1>is hanging over air. Yeah. Yeah. And and it also

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<v Speaker 1>looks like it could walk just like like two legs

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<v Speaker 1>and a pelvis. But but like they walked out of

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<v Speaker 1>the Tron universe or something. You offend the master control program,

0:14:36.720 --> 0:14:40.080
<v Speaker 1>this building comes walking at you it probably does. Ya,

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<v Speaker 1>thank thank. Now you might be wondering, well, what's the

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<v Speaker 1>highest sky bridge in the world. Well, I believe if

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<v Speaker 1>the Guinness Book of World Records is correct on this,

0:14:54.800 --> 0:14:59.280
<v Speaker 1>it is the Patronis Towers in on Kuala Lumpur in Malaysia.

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<v Speaker 1>The this is a quote a double deck bridge at

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<v Speaker 1>the forty one and forty two floors. It's a hundred

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<v Speaker 1>and seventy or five fifty eight feet above the ground

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<v Speaker 1>and measures fifty eight ms or a hundred ninety feet

0:15:12.800 --> 0:15:17.040
<v Speaker 1>in length, weighs seven fifty metric tons. Uh and this

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<v Speaker 1>building opened in uh. This one is really cool looking.

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<v Speaker 1>This is one of the ones I was talking about

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<v Speaker 1>earlier where it's essentially it's a connector between two towers

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<v Speaker 1>that are the same building. Like it's all one complex,

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<v Speaker 1>but the complex consists of like a you know, a

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<v Speaker 1>lower level thing and then two towers going straight up

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<v Speaker 1>and they're connected in the at the middle of their

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<v Speaker 1>height by this sky bridge. Yeah, this is an interesting

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<v Speaker 1>one to look at two because first of all, it's

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<v Speaker 1>like it's so high up and at the floor you

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<v Speaker 1>can imagine a good case being made, like what if

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<v Speaker 1>you need to get to the next tower. Uh, you

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<v Speaker 1>don't want to go down forty floors and then up

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<v Speaker 1>another forty floors. What if you could just walk over? Um?

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<v Speaker 1>And of course you can adjust the math based on

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<v Speaker 1>what floor you're trying to get to in each tower.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think it's an area of the complex that

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<v Speaker 1>has increased foot traffic because there's sort of a sky

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<v Speaker 1>lobby concept, like you go halfway up the towers and

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<v Speaker 1>there's it's not just more regular office occupancy there, there

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<v Speaker 1>are I don't know, lobbies and and and things for

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<v Speaker 1>people to hang out and walk around and do at

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<v Speaker 1>that level. Yeah, and apparently one whole floor that is

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<v Speaker 1>for is open to to tourists and as you know,

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<v Speaker 1>part of this lobby concept. The other is apparently closed

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<v Speaker 1>off and more for residents or businesses what have you. Um.

0:16:36.360 --> 0:16:38.600
<v Speaker 1>But it's it's neat that on top of this, and

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<v Speaker 1>not only is it mere conveyance, but also it adds

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<v Speaker 1>at least a little bit of structural support as well

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<v Speaker 1>as a possible means of evacuating individuals from one tower

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<v Speaker 1>into the other during an emergency. Maybe not a primary function,

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<v Speaker 1>but but one that they've apparently looked into, Like what

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<v Speaker 1>if there was an emergency in one tower, but the

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<v Speaker 1>other tower was still viable. Uh. That's one way you

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<v Speaker 1>could help get people out. It's also interesting that this

0:17:03.280 --> 0:17:07.800
<v Speaker 1>bridge is not directly connected to the buildings. It's designed

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<v Speaker 1>so that it can shift or slide in and out

0:17:10.800 --> 0:17:15.600
<v Speaker 1>of them to to counterbalance building sway from the winds. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>So that's I mean, this is something that I always

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<v Speaker 1>forget about skyscrapers, and then I'm told about skyscrapers, and

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<v Speaker 1>it kind of whigs me out a little bit, the

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<v Speaker 1>the idea that, yes, they're not just purely stationary. They

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<v Speaker 1>have a little give to them. There's a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>of sway involved, and certainly if you have a bridge

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<v Speaker 1>connecting to uh skyscrapers, you have to take that into account,

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<v Speaker 1>all right. So at this point I thought we might

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<v Speaker 1>get into some of the history of the skybridge. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>one of the things about our our look at skybridges

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<v Speaker 1>here is we're not going to be able to look

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<v Speaker 1>at every step in the process. We're not gonna take

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<v Speaker 1>use skybridge by skybridge through human history. But we thought

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<v Speaker 1>it might be a good idea to hit on some

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<v Speaker 1>key examples, some of which are more historical in nature.

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<v Speaker 1>UH and before we get into some of the psych

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<v Speaker 1>logical aspects, before we get into some of the futurist

0:18:04.520 --> 0:18:07.199
<v Speaker 1>ideas that are tied up with sky bridges. And so

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<v Speaker 1>a great place to start is to travel to Italy. Surely,

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<v Speaker 1>I think maybe we should start by taking a look

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<v Speaker 1>at the Bridge of Size or the Ponte day Suspiri

0:18:17.400 --> 0:18:21.199
<v Speaker 1>in italian Um. You know, Suspiria, like Suspiria, like the

0:18:21.240 --> 0:18:24.359
<v Speaker 1>movie Size the Size, this is a beautiful one. And

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<v Speaker 1>this is one where if you you look it up,

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<v Speaker 1>you'll instantly recognize it. You'll instantly find yourself longing to

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<v Speaker 1>be in a gondola with with with your beloved or

0:18:33.400 --> 0:18:37.320
<v Speaker 1>some imagine beloved, perhaps with a glass of wine in hand,

0:18:37.840 --> 0:18:42.000
<v Speaker 1>very ironically romantic. I'll get to that. So the Bridge

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<v Speaker 1>of Size is is it really interesting landmark in Venice,

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<v Speaker 1>a city that already is already unusual in many of

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<v Speaker 1>its thoroughfares because many of them are not streets but

0:18:52.680 --> 0:18:56.720
<v Speaker 1>canals navigated by boat. And one of these canals, known

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<v Speaker 1>as the Rio de Palazzo, is crossed over by a

0:19:00.480 --> 0:19:06.000
<v Speaker 1>totally enclosed limestone bridge connecting two buildings on either side

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<v Speaker 1>at the level of what looks like about the second story.

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<v Speaker 1>It is covered with elaborate Baroque decorations, having been commissioned

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<v Speaker 1>by the Doge Marino Grimani. And no doge is a

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<v Speaker 1>word that had a meaning before before internet memes. It

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<v Speaker 1>has nothing to do with dogs. It was an office

0:19:24.240 --> 0:19:27.440
<v Speaker 1>in medieval and Renaissance Italy. It was like it was

0:19:27.520 --> 0:19:29.400
<v Speaker 1>kind of like being like a lord or some other

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<v Speaker 1>kind of executive. So it was this doge, Marino Grimani,

0:19:32.960 --> 0:19:34.919
<v Speaker 1>who commissioned it. I think it came up in the

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<v Speaker 1>early seventeenth century. Apparently it is tradition for couples to

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<v Speaker 1>kiss as they pass underneath the bridge in a boat

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<v Speaker 1>or I don't know if it's tradition, it's at least

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<v Speaker 1>something a lot of people do. I think especially tourists,

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<v Speaker 1>and tourists are often taking pictures of themselves kissing with

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<v Speaker 1>this bridge in the background. You can probably find plenty

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<v Speaker 1>of those on the internet if you want. So, what

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<v Speaker 1>is the purpose of this hallway in the sky over

0:19:59.040 --> 0:20:02.400
<v Speaker 1>the canal that's the causing people to to spontaneously break

0:20:02.480 --> 0:20:05.320
<v Speaker 1>out in kissing. Uh, you might wonder what you know,

0:20:05.440 --> 0:20:08.040
<v Speaker 1>was it connecting two wings of a library or an

0:20:08.160 --> 0:20:12.800
<v Speaker 1>art museum? Maybe so people could move uh, priceless antiques

0:20:12.840 --> 0:20:14.960
<v Speaker 1>and books and artworks back and forth in the rain

0:20:15.080 --> 0:20:18.240
<v Speaker 1>without getting wet or something like that. No, not at all.

0:20:18.640 --> 0:20:22.320
<v Speaker 1>It was a bridge connecting the Doges Palace and the

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<v Speaker 1>inquisitors facilities within to the prison on the other side

0:20:27.040 --> 0:20:30.040
<v Speaker 1>of the canal. Uh. And so it's called the bridge

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<v Speaker 1>of size because of the size of the doomed prisoners

0:20:34.280 --> 0:20:38.640
<v Speaker 1>who walked within. Apparently conditions in the prison were pretty nasty.

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<v Speaker 1>So I've I've at least read the allegation that being confined,

0:20:42.000 --> 0:20:45.080
<v Speaker 1>they're frequently resulted in death. So you would, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>you would sigh knowing your fate was sealed as you

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<v Speaker 1>were taken across the Bridge of Size into the jail.

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<v Speaker 1>Well that's not romantic at all. That's horrible, and it

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<v Speaker 1>makes me wonder. Okay, then, why in particular was this

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<v Speaker 1>enclosed and not just not just an open bridge. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't I don't know this, but I wonder if the

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<v Speaker 1>reasoning had something to do with like preventing prisoners from

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<v Speaker 1>trying to escape by jumping over the edge into the

0:21:08.800 --> 0:21:13.040
<v Speaker 1>canal and getting away. Yeah, yeah, I mean, also, I

0:21:13.080 --> 0:21:15.960
<v Speaker 1>guess given the nature of the work going on, there.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe you don't want them seen by anybody going by

0:21:18.720 --> 0:21:21.359
<v Speaker 1>in a boat. Uh, that sort of thing. I also

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<v Speaker 1>have to say, now that you reveal its true nature,

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<v Speaker 1>I kind of see a skull in this design. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know if that's I mean, granted, we tend to

0:21:29.480 --> 0:21:35.680
<v Speaker 1>lean into uh anthromomorphic details of things anyway, but now

0:21:35.720 --> 0:21:38.439
<v Speaker 1>that I know it's it's secrets. Yeah, I kind of

0:21:38.440 --> 0:21:42.400
<v Speaker 1>see these these teeth and two I sockets and uh

0:21:42.440 --> 0:21:45.640
<v Speaker 1>and in a nose socket there. Well, I can't find

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<v Speaker 1>a close up shot to look at right now, though

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<v Speaker 1>I do think the bridge bears a certain um famili's

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<v Speaker 1>coat of arms. It might have been the family of

0:21:53.480 --> 0:21:57.080
<v Speaker 1>the Doge or or someone else. But uh, but possibly

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<v Speaker 1>that coat of arms looks like a skull. I don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>all right. Another interesting example from Italy, Texas to Florence,

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<v Speaker 1>and this is a sixteenth century example. This is a

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<v Speaker 1>sary corridor. This was built in fifteen sixty five to

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<v Speaker 1>allow members of the powerful Medici family to move freely

0:22:18.200 --> 0:22:22.159
<v Speaker 1>between their residents and the governmental center there in Florence.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's certainly an elevated, enclosed passageway reaching the full length.

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<v Speaker 1>I believe it's an entire kilometer in length. There's at

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<v Speaker 1>least one section of it that is instantly identifiable as

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<v Speaker 1>a skybridge, like there's a street below it, that sort

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<v Speaker 1>of thing. But in other cases there are buildings or

0:22:41.240 --> 0:22:46.320
<v Speaker 1>businesses beneath a Sari corridor. It literally just cuts through

0:22:46.359 --> 0:22:49.199
<v Speaker 1>the city, built over like in one case, it's apparently

0:22:49.200 --> 0:22:52.960
<v Speaker 1>built over what was some riverside butcher shops, because you know,

0:22:53.000 --> 0:22:55.560
<v Speaker 1>you want to dump all that the leftovers that directly

0:22:55.560 --> 0:22:57.960
<v Speaker 1>into the river. But that smelled too bad, and so

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<v Speaker 1>with a little Medici um uh finagling, they got some

0:23:02.960 --> 0:23:06.199
<v Speaker 1>jewelers in there as well. Uh. There's also a tower

0:23:06.359 --> 0:23:09.560
<v Speaker 1>that it goes around because there was one stubborn Florentine

0:23:09.560 --> 0:23:12.280
<v Speaker 1>who would not sell and so they had to to

0:23:12.280 --> 0:23:15.919
<v Speaker 1>to to make the their corridor go around this particular tower.

0:23:16.400 --> 0:23:19.200
<v Speaker 1>And there's even a place where it basically it basically

0:23:19.200 --> 0:23:22.720
<v Speaker 1>cuts through the Church of Santa Felicita, opening up onto

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<v Speaker 1>the balcony into a balcony there so that the Medici

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<v Speaker 1>could take their corridor, attend mass, and I guess keep

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<v Speaker 1>on going all the way, enjoying a kind of privileged

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<v Speaker 1>view of the city. In places, uh, you know, they

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<v Speaker 1>get to walk from point A to point B in

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<v Speaker 1>Florence without having to worry about their uh, their enemies

0:23:42.000 --> 0:23:46.159
<v Speaker 1>trying to murder them. Uh. And over the over time,

0:23:46.960 --> 0:23:50.879
<v Speaker 1>portions of the Quarridor have been been altered, destroyed, rebuilt,

0:23:51.400 --> 0:23:53.760
<v Speaker 1>and I believe it was closed for a while and

0:23:53.920 --> 0:23:57.199
<v Speaker 1>is once more open to tourists visiting the city. You know,

0:23:57.240 --> 0:23:59.239
<v Speaker 1>what I've always wanted is the ability to wake up,

0:23:59.359 --> 0:24:03.439
<v Speaker 1>go to math us without ever stepping foot outside. Yeah.

0:24:03.480 --> 0:24:06.439
<v Speaker 1>I mean it's such a power flex right, um, yeah,

0:24:06.560 --> 0:24:08.359
<v Speaker 1>and uh, And it's definitely one to keep in mind

0:24:08.400 --> 0:24:11.480
<v Speaker 1>when we talk about other examples and modern examples of

0:24:11.640 --> 0:24:14.600
<v Speaker 1>sky bridges and similar structures. It would be kind of

0:24:14.640 --> 0:24:16.800
<v Speaker 1>like if you didn't want to leave your bedroom to

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<v Speaker 1>go to work, and you didn't have tele uh working technology,

0:24:22.359 --> 0:24:24.240
<v Speaker 1>you could say, what if I were just to physically

0:24:24.280 --> 0:24:29.520
<v Speaker 1>extend my bedroom across town to the office. How about that?

0:24:29.640 --> 0:24:32.360
<v Speaker 1>And I mean that's essentially what what the Medici did here,

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<v Speaker 1>though to some degree, I think what we're thinking of

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<v Speaker 1>as a skybridge really has more to do with, um,

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<v Speaker 1>with just external appearance and like what is the stuff

0:24:43.720 --> 0:24:46.840
<v Speaker 1>underneath it? And how high is it and things like that.

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<v Speaker 1>More so than than function, because there are other things

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<v Speaker 1>that don't quite look exactly like a sky bridge, but

0:24:52.720 --> 0:24:55.000
<v Speaker 1>they clearly serve the same function. And there's like a

0:24:55.080 --> 0:25:00.199
<v Speaker 1>long uh elevated passageway in Rome connecting that a con

0:25:00.280 --> 0:25:03.600
<v Speaker 1>city to some uh uh I don't some chapel or

0:25:03.640 --> 0:25:05.960
<v Speaker 1>palace or something there. And you can see it in

0:25:06.000 --> 0:25:07.600
<v Speaker 1>pictures of the city, though I think a lot of

0:25:07.600 --> 0:25:11.159
<v Speaker 1>it is uncovered, so it doesn't read exactly like uh,

0:25:11.640 --> 0:25:13.800
<v Speaker 1>you know, like a tunnel in the sky that's fully

0:25:13.840 --> 0:25:16.199
<v Speaker 1>enclosed all around. It's more like there's just sort of

0:25:16.240 --> 0:25:19.600
<v Speaker 1>this elevated bridge going over the rooftops or over parts

0:25:19.640 --> 0:25:22.439
<v Speaker 1>of the city. Yeah. Yeah. To to what extent do

0:25:22.520 --> 0:25:25.760
<v Speaker 1>these examples feel like a bridge? Do they have this

0:25:25.760 --> 0:25:29.879
<v Speaker 1>this feeling of being above things or or or or

0:25:29.920 --> 0:25:34.440
<v Speaker 1>having some sort of privileged passage through things? Uh? For instance,

0:25:34.440 --> 0:25:37.320
<v Speaker 1>we mentioned cold cities or cities that have cold winters.

0:25:37.760 --> 0:25:40.840
<v Speaker 1>Um The Chicago Padway is a strong example of a

0:25:40.880 --> 0:25:44.080
<v Speaker 1>system like this. Parts of it are elevated, but then

0:25:44.119 --> 0:25:46.960
<v Speaker 1>also parts of it are are completely underground, so that

0:25:47.040 --> 0:25:48.199
<v Speaker 1>you know, you don't have to go out into the

0:25:48.280 --> 0:25:50.800
<v Speaker 1>elements during the winter to move from one place to another.

0:25:50.840 --> 0:25:54.520
<v Speaker 1>Downtown necessarily UM on my visit to Chicago, I wanted

0:25:54.560 --> 0:25:57.239
<v Speaker 1>to go down and see it. Um though it was

0:25:57.400 --> 0:25:59.399
<v Speaker 1>it was very pleasant outside, so we didn't have to

0:25:59.400 --> 0:26:02.320
<v Speaker 1>go down there. But I was reading some accounts of

0:26:02.359 --> 0:26:04.920
<v Speaker 1>people who of course really like it, some who think

0:26:04.960 --> 0:26:07.760
<v Speaker 1>that parts of it needs some work. I think some

0:26:07.760 --> 0:26:10.680
<v Speaker 1>people think it is a bit dank and perhaps needs

0:26:10.720 --> 0:26:13.560
<v Speaker 1>a facelift of some sort. Well, that opens up a

0:26:13.600 --> 0:26:15.480
<v Speaker 1>theme that I'm definitely going to get to it at

0:26:15.480 --> 0:26:17.840
<v Speaker 1>some point, maybe maybe later in this episode or maybe

0:26:17.840 --> 0:26:20.720
<v Speaker 1>in the next one, but that when it comes to

0:26:20.880 --> 0:26:24.320
<v Speaker 1>designing urban spaces in many ways, I think form can

0:26:24.320 --> 0:26:26.720
<v Speaker 1>be about as important as function. Like it doesn't just

0:26:26.800 --> 0:26:29.480
<v Speaker 1>matter are these spaces traversable and do they get you

0:26:29.520 --> 0:26:32.880
<v Speaker 1>where you're going? But like there are pretty profound effects

0:26:32.880 --> 0:26:36.080
<v Speaker 1>on our psychological well being depending on the various esthetic

0:26:36.119 --> 0:26:40.479
<v Speaker 1>qualities of these thoroughfares and tunnels introversial spaces, and and

0:26:40.600 --> 0:26:43.160
<v Speaker 1>it makes a difference in our lives what these spaces

0:26:43.160 --> 0:26:46.280
<v Speaker 1>are like absolutely if you if you're spending your life

0:26:46.280 --> 0:26:49.760
<v Speaker 1>walking around and like just dank concrete with no you know,

0:26:49.840 --> 0:26:52.400
<v Speaker 1>no plants and no natural light and stuff that that

0:26:52.440 --> 0:26:56.040
<v Speaker 1>does affect people or it's also like having super reinforced

0:26:56.359 --> 0:27:00.240
<v Speaker 1>transparent flooring in your skybridge. I mean, it's fine forward

0:27:00.359 --> 0:27:04.080
<v Speaker 1>for tourist scenarios, but if you're if you're using this

0:27:04.160 --> 0:27:08.760
<v Speaker 1>skybridge just as a daily way of connecting, say from

0:27:08.800 --> 0:27:12.520
<v Speaker 1>from your office to the coffee machine um in the

0:27:12.560 --> 0:27:15.040
<v Speaker 1>other building, you don't necessarily want it to be a

0:27:15.080 --> 0:27:18.280
<v Speaker 1>harrowing journey through the sky or at least not to

0:27:18.320 --> 0:27:20.120
<v Speaker 1>get the coffee maybe on the way back. That would

0:27:20.119 --> 0:27:29.840
<v Speaker 1>be impecible than now. If you look around at various

0:27:29.880 --> 0:27:32.639
<v Speaker 1>articles about sky bridges, particularly even if you go to

0:27:32.640 --> 0:27:35.800
<v Speaker 1>the wiki page for sky bridges, you'll see some images

0:27:35.800 --> 0:27:38.679
<v Speaker 1>of some examples. And there's a picture that that has

0:27:38.720 --> 0:27:42.440
<v Speaker 1>circulated a lot. This is a model that was found

0:27:42.480 --> 0:27:45.439
<v Speaker 1>in an Eastern Han tomb in a non province in China.

0:27:46.119 --> 0:27:48.720
<v Speaker 1>And this is quite uh it's it's quite interesting to

0:27:48.720 --> 0:27:53.360
<v Speaker 1>look at. It is clearly a multi story building connected

0:27:53.680 --> 0:27:59.159
<v Speaker 1>by an enclosed sky bridge to another shorter um tower

0:27:59.440 --> 0:28:02.280
<v Speaker 1>or multi story building, and it's it's pretty cool to

0:28:02.320 --> 0:28:05.119
<v Speaker 1>look at it. Again, this is this is quite old.

0:28:05.520 --> 0:28:08.160
<v Speaker 1>Uh al I wasn't able to find anything to indicate

0:28:08.280 --> 0:28:11.200
<v Speaker 1>that this is a model of something that was ever built.

0:28:11.359 --> 0:28:15.639
<v Speaker 1>In reality, perhaps it was or perhaps this was just

0:28:16.080 --> 0:28:19.359
<v Speaker 1>a model that again went into a tomb. But I

0:28:19.400 --> 0:28:21.960
<v Speaker 1>was able to look around uh, and I finally found

0:28:22.000 --> 0:28:26.080
<v Speaker 1>some interesting things about sky bridges and things like sky

0:28:26.160 --> 0:28:32.240
<v Speaker 1>bridges that were that were actually constructed in various Chinese

0:28:32.520 --> 0:28:37.119
<v Speaker 1>palace complexes and gardens. So I was looking at um

0:28:37.240 --> 0:28:43.320
<v Speaker 1>the philosophical encounter embodied by the One Ning by one

0:28:43.680 --> 0:28:48.120
<v Speaker 1>Hoi Zoe published in Environmental Philosophy, Volume seven, number one.

0:28:48.240 --> 0:28:52.400
<v Speaker 1>This came out in spring of So The One Ning

0:28:52.400 --> 0:28:56.920
<v Speaker 1>Gone or the Summer Old Summer Palace in Beijing was

0:28:56.960 --> 0:29:00.320
<v Speaker 1>a complex of elaborate gardens and palaces is of the

0:29:00.400 --> 0:29:03.800
<v Speaker 1>Qing dynasty, built in the eighteenth and early nineteenth centuries.

0:29:04.320 --> 0:29:07.120
<v Speaker 1>In eighteen sixty, during the Opium War, it was looted

0:29:07.160 --> 0:29:10.440
<v Speaker 1>and destroyed by British and French forces. But according to

0:29:10.520 --> 0:29:14.160
<v Speaker 1>Zoe here the original gardens consisted of three Chinese gardens

0:29:14.480 --> 0:29:17.640
<v Speaker 1>and a Western style garden that had been designed by Jesuits.

0:29:17.840 --> 0:29:22.320
<v Speaker 1>The Chinese gardens were laid out with Daoist cosmology and

0:29:22.400 --> 0:29:25.840
<v Speaker 1>Finshwe in mind, so that there's so that one stroll

0:29:26.000 --> 0:29:28.720
<v Speaker 1>through these gardens was said to be one of of

0:29:28.840 --> 0:29:32.480
<v Speaker 1>contemplated depths. You know, it wasn't just you weren't just

0:29:32.480 --> 0:29:34.520
<v Speaker 1>putting everything out of your mind as you strolled here.

0:29:34.720 --> 0:29:38.120
<v Speaker 1>You got to contemplate the tao. Oh do images of

0:29:38.160 --> 0:29:40.640
<v Speaker 1>these gardens remain, I would be really interested to see

0:29:40.680 --> 0:29:44.080
<v Speaker 1>the difference between that and the Jesuit garden. You can

0:29:44.360 --> 0:29:47.160
<v Speaker 1>there are schematics of what it looked like and UH

0:29:47.200 --> 0:29:49.560
<v Speaker 1>and the ruins still exists. I believe it was looking

0:29:49.600 --> 0:29:52.040
<v Speaker 1>at some photographs of this, and it's still a site

0:29:52.040 --> 0:29:54.440
<v Speaker 1>that I believe can be can be visited, but probably

0:29:54.440 --> 0:29:57.000
<v Speaker 1>not with all the vegetation in the original place, I

0:29:57.040 --> 0:29:58.680
<v Speaker 1>don't think. So. I didn't find in that there may

0:29:58.760 --> 0:30:01.200
<v Speaker 1>be some really robust creations of what these would have

0:30:01.200 --> 0:30:02.760
<v Speaker 1>looked like, but I was I didn't. They didn't come

0:30:02.840 --> 0:30:06.120
<v Speaker 1>up in my research. But if anyone out there has

0:30:06.240 --> 0:30:08.280
<v Speaker 1>seen such an image, I would love to to look

0:30:08.320 --> 0:30:11.920
<v Speaker 1>at it. So in talking about this particular park, Zoe

0:30:12.080 --> 0:30:15.760
<v Speaker 1>turns to some other examples. Zoe shares that the the

0:30:15.800 --> 0:30:19.160
<v Speaker 1>shan Lin Park of the emperor Chin chi Wong of

0:30:19.240 --> 0:30:24.080
<v Speaker 1>the third century BC Chin Dynasty featured UH was said

0:30:24.120 --> 0:30:28.640
<v Speaker 1>to feature covered double floor passageways that allowed the emperor

0:30:28.680 --> 0:30:32.080
<v Speaker 1>to move from one grand palace to another quote through

0:30:32.120 --> 0:30:36.480
<v Speaker 1>the wilderness, and in doing so, quote act mysteriously to

0:30:36.600 --> 0:30:43.480
<v Speaker 1>avoid devils and meanwhile embrace virtuous individuals. WHOA wait, so

0:30:43.840 --> 0:30:48.080
<v Speaker 1>the the skyways here were alleged to be so this

0:30:48.160 --> 0:30:52.280
<v Speaker 1>emperor could like keep his movements secret sort of? Is that?

0:30:52.360 --> 0:30:54.960
<v Speaker 1>Am I understanding that? Right? Yeah? If I mandered? Well, so,

0:30:55.040 --> 0:30:58.000
<v Speaker 1>first of all, these wouldn't have been skyways per se.

0:30:58.040 --> 0:31:00.320
<v Speaker 1>I think these were maybe situated on the ground owned

0:31:01.160 --> 0:31:04.280
<v Speaker 1>but yes, that they would have been enclosed so that

0:31:04.840 --> 0:31:07.200
<v Speaker 1>nobody could necessarily see him moving around. He was an

0:31:07.200 --> 0:31:10.560
<v Speaker 1>important guy after all. But also he could avoid devils

0:31:10.840 --> 0:31:14.280
<v Speaker 1>and embrace virtuous individuals, which, uh, you know, we can

0:31:14.320 --> 0:31:17.160
<v Speaker 1>certainly lean into the supernatural interpretation of that. But also

0:31:17.240 --> 0:31:20.080
<v Speaker 1>it sounds like not run into people who I don't

0:31:20.080 --> 0:31:23.440
<v Speaker 1>want to greet, don't run into people who wish me harm,

0:31:23.800 --> 0:31:27.040
<v Speaker 1>and also, you know, only encounter people who are are

0:31:27.120 --> 0:31:31.800
<v Speaker 1>worthwhile for me the emperor to run into. But then

0:31:31.920 --> 0:31:34.480
<v Speaker 1>Zoe turns to an example that I think we can

0:31:34.560 --> 0:31:38.080
<v Speaker 1>properly think of as a skywalk. He says, quote in

0:31:38.160 --> 0:31:41.920
<v Speaker 1>the Imperial huilin garden in the capital of liu Yang

0:31:42.280 --> 0:31:45.040
<v Speaker 1>of northern way. This is the fifth century. There was

0:31:45.080 --> 0:31:49.160
<v Speaker 1>an island named Pingle, on which buildings were connected by

0:31:49.240 --> 0:31:54.320
<v Speaker 1>a rainbow skywalk where walking was like flying to and fro.

0:31:55.080 --> 0:31:59.360
<v Speaker 1>Visitors moved about in this garden like celestial birds up

0:31:59.400 --> 0:32:03.360
<v Speaker 1>and down on in a divine residence. Okay, So when

0:32:03.400 --> 0:32:06.040
<v Speaker 1>they moved about and it was like flying to and fro,

0:32:06.680 --> 0:32:09.160
<v Speaker 1>does that just mean that they're crossing about in the air,

0:32:09.280 --> 0:32:11.360
<v Speaker 1>they're they're high up and they can see all around,

0:32:11.520 --> 0:32:15.520
<v Speaker 1>or is there more significant? Like I think it's just

0:32:15.600 --> 0:32:19.400
<v Speaker 1>a poetic way of saying that. Yeah, being moving from

0:32:19.760 --> 0:32:23.480
<v Speaker 1>one building to another via bridge, Uh, that it it

0:32:23.560 --> 0:32:27.080
<v Speaker 1>creates this feeling of flying. Yeah. I don't think they

0:32:27.120 --> 0:32:32.000
<v Speaker 1>were on zip lines or anything. Yeah. Yeah, nor were

0:32:32.000 --> 0:32:35.840
<v Speaker 1>they dressed like birds. But but there's there's something, you know,

0:32:35.880 --> 0:32:38.800
<v Speaker 1>almost supernatural about the experience of youth and using these

0:32:38.800 --> 0:32:42.120
<v Speaker 1>elevated walkways. Yes. So, And it gets a little more

0:32:42.160 --> 0:32:43.920
<v Speaker 1>interesting when you look at some of the details here.

0:32:43.960 --> 0:32:46.080
<v Speaker 1>Solu Yang is certainly a real place, and it's one

0:32:46.080 --> 0:32:49.040
<v Speaker 1>of the oldest cities in China, which is certainly saying something.

0:32:49.360 --> 0:32:53.080
<v Speaker 1>But ping Ley is also the name of a mythical island,

0:32:53.160 --> 0:32:55.640
<v Speaker 1>and in fact ping Ley is said to be where

0:32:55.640 --> 0:32:58.680
<v Speaker 1>the elixir of life and the eight immortals may be found.

0:32:59.360 --> 0:33:03.440
<v Speaker 1>Uh And the connection here is, of course that gardens

0:33:03.480 --> 0:33:07.080
<v Speaker 1>of this sort are meant to be quote unquote fairy lands,

0:33:07.400 --> 0:33:10.480
<v Speaker 1>and in fact peng lay can be translated as fairy land.

0:33:11.280 --> 0:33:14.160
<v Speaker 1>So these are places of supernatural beauty that that invoke

0:33:14.480 --> 0:33:17.800
<v Speaker 1>different models of reality or in the earlier example that

0:33:17.920 --> 0:33:20.360
<v Speaker 1>you know you're you're contemplating the Tao as you walk

0:33:20.440 --> 0:33:23.760
<v Speaker 1>through it. Um. And it's mentioned by Zoe that tall

0:33:23.840 --> 0:33:27.040
<v Speaker 1>buildings as well, we're thought to invite the spirits to

0:33:27.120 --> 0:33:30.600
<v Speaker 1>reside in them. Uh. So it's it's neat to think of.

0:33:30.760 --> 0:33:34.440
<v Speaker 1>Like I feel like these descriptions that that he's discussing here,

0:33:34.440 --> 0:33:37.880
<v Speaker 1>like they really draw in things that are certainly unique

0:33:37.920 --> 0:33:42.080
<v Speaker 1>to like the poetic Chinese interpretation it seems, of these structures.

0:33:42.120 --> 0:33:45.520
<v Speaker 1>But I think also they get at our universal attraction

0:33:45.800 --> 0:33:49.080
<v Speaker 1>to these things. Like again, there's something about the skyscraper.

0:33:49.120 --> 0:33:52.760
<v Speaker 1>There's something about not only the sky bridge, but bridge

0:33:52.800 --> 0:33:56.200
<v Speaker 1>them bridges themselves that invite us to them. You know,

0:33:56.240 --> 0:33:58.000
<v Speaker 1>if you're in a little park and there are bridges,

0:33:58.000 --> 0:34:00.680
<v Speaker 1>you gotta walk across that bridge, right yeah, Oh yeah,

0:34:00.840 --> 0:34:03.560
<v Speaker 1>totally I feel the same way. I'm always attracted to

0:34:04.000 --> 0:34:08.960
<v Speaker 1>bridges and um and spaces that are not just normally

0:34:09.040 --> 0:34:11.839
<v Speaker 1>readily accessible. Like you know, if if I see an

0:34:11.840 --> 0:34:14.040
<v Speaker 1>island in the middle of the pond, I do want

0:34:14.040 --> 0:34:16.880
<v Speaker 1>to go to it. I want to stand there. But

0:34:16.960 --> 0:34:20.000
<v Speaker 1>and of course the same applies to locations high up.

0:34:20.400 --> 0:34:23.840
<v Speaker 1>And this is something that I think is a pervasive

0:34:23.880 --> 0:34:27.359
<v Speaker 1>strain of thought in the ancient world I guess maybe

0:34:27.400 --> 0:34:29.640
<v Speaker 1>even um not just the ancient world, but I would

0:34:29.640 --> 0:34:33.080
<v Speaker 1>say the pre industrial world, the world before skyscrapers became

0:34:33.120 --> 0:34:36.359
<v Speaker 1>common in city centers everywhere, or you know, you just

0:34:36.440 --> 0:34:41.640
<v Speaker 1>have like secular urban density driving driving occupancy higher and higher.

0:34:42.080 --> 0:34:44.239
<v Speaker 1>In the pre industrial period, I think there was a

0:34:44.280 --> 0:34:50.319
<v Speaker 1>pervasive association between physical altitude and like I don't know,

0:34:50.440 --> 0:34:53.600
<v Speaker 1>the spiritual elevation or holiness or the gods. I mean,

0:34:53.640 --> 0:34:57.480
<v Speaker 1>I think about how many different types of like tower

0:34:57.640 --> 0:35:01.799
<v Speaker 1>type structures are associated with either royalty or divinity, going

0:35:01.800 --> 0:35:03.120
<v Speaker 1>all back, all the way back to like you know,

0:35:03.160 --> 0:35:07.239
<v Speaker 1>the zigarots of ancient Mesopotamia, uh, where you know, it

0:35:07.320 --> 0:35:10.399
<v Speaker 1>was literally believed that in some sense the God resides

0:35:10.520 --> 0:35:12.719
<v Speaker 1>on the top, or that God at least will come

0:35:12.719 --> 0:35:15.680
<v Speaker 1>down to the top in some cases. Uh. And and

0:35:16.000 --> 0:35:19.520
<v Speaker 1>royal towers, royal palaces with you know, things reaching high

0:35:19.640 --> 0:35:22.040
<v Speaker 1>up in the air. That that that's I think we're

0:35:22.040 --> 0:35:24.919
<v Speaker 1>still impressed by tall buildings now, but I think it's

0:35:24.960 --> 0:35:28.120
<v Speaker 1>lost some of the magical umph that it once had

0:35:28.160 --> 0:35:31.480
<v Speaker 1>in the human minds. Still there would be dennigods of

0:35:31.480 --> 0:35:33.440
<v Speaker 1>today like where do they want their offices? Where do

0:35:33.480 --> 0:35:35.759
<v Speaker 1>they want their their apartments? They want they want to

0:35:35.760 --> 0:35:39.000
<v Speaker 1>be at the top, right, We're still drawn to that. Uh.

0:35:39.080 --> 0:35:42.239
<v Speaker 1>Speaking of really tall buildings. One more note about lou

0:35:42.360 --> 0:35:47.040
<v Speaker 1>Young here is that between five sixteen and five four

0:35:47.120 --> 0:35:50.960
<v Speaker 1>c e. It contained the the the young Ning Pagoda,

0:35:51.080 --> 0:35:54.360
<v Speaker 1>which at an estimated nine stories in height, And I

0:35:54.360 --> 0:35:56.800
<v Speaker 1>think there's some back and forth about exactly how tall

0:35:56.840 --> 0:36:00.479
<v Speaker 1>it was, but it read roughly nine stories in height.

0:36:00.800 --> 0:36:03.920
<v Speaker 1>This was one of, if not the tallest buildings in

0:36:03.960 --> 0:36:06.960
<v Speaker 1>the world at the time, according to the source i's

0:36:07.000 --> 0:36:09.840
<v Speaker 1>looking at here. It was destroyed by a lightning strike

0:36:09.960 --> 0:36:12.400
<v Speaker 1>which then burned it to the ground. Now, I have

0:36:12.440 --> 0:36:14.480
<v Speaker 1>not had the benefit of visiting any of these sites

0:36:14.520 --> 0:36:17.280
<v Speaker 1>that that I've I've mentioned here, so certainly if anyone

0:36:17.320 --> 0:36:19.640
<v Speaker 1>out there listening to the show has and certainly if

0:36:19.640 --> 0:36:22.000
<v Speaker 1>you have photographs, I'd love I'd love to hear from you,

0:36:22.040 --> 0:36:24.759
<v Speaker 1>so certainly right in. Uh, and of course that goes

0:36:24.840 --> 0:36:27.279
<v Speaker 1>that goes to we can say the same regarding any

0:36:27.280 --> 0:36:30.960
<v Speaker 1>of the sky bridges we're we're discussing in this episode,

0:36:31.280 --> 0:36:33.880
<v Speaker 1>or any that we we don't mention. Yes, send in

0:36:33.960 --> 0:36:37.480
<v Speaker 1>your sky bridge experiences and photographs so that we may

0:36:37.560 --> 0:36:40.480
<v Speaker 1>enjoy them as well. So that's it for this episode,

0:36:40.480 --> 0:36:42.520
<v Speaker 1>but we will be back with a part two on

0:36:42.600 --> 0:36:45.160
<v Speaker 1>this We have much more to discuss regarding sky bridges.

0:36:45.680 --> 0:36:47.320
<v Speaker 1>But certainly go ahead and right in, we'd love to

0:36:47.360 --> 0:36:50.360
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