WEBVTT - Episode 2: What Will the Neighbors Think? 0:00:15.316 --> 0:00:26.556 Pushkin Previously on deep cover. In Michigan. In the early 0:00:26.676 --> 0:00:30.796 nineteen eighties, an FBI agent named Ned Timmins followed a hunch. 0:00:31.356 --> 0:00:34.356 He believed that a drug ring was smuggling massive amounts 0:00:34.356 --> 0:00:38.236 of pot into America, and he thought the local biker 0:00:38.276 --> 0:00:42.516 gangs were involved in some way. So Ned went undercover, 0:00:42.956 --> 0:00:46.636 using a new name, Ed Thomas. He grew a fu 0:00:46.716 --> 0:00:50.756 mancher mustache, wrote to Harley Davidson, and started hanging out 0:00:50.796 --> 0:00:55.996 in roadside honky talks all the while gathering intel war 0:00:56.036 --> 0:01:00.596 ahead sources up in northern Michigan bikers, and they would 0:01:00.596 --> 0:01:03.876 talk about the bikers would get their supply of weed 0:01:04.076 --> 0:01:06.556 when these big shipments would come in, you know, which 0:01:06.636 --> 0:01:09.436 is fifty thousand pounds, one hundred thousand pounds or whatever 0:01:09.436 --> 0:01:13.236 would come into the Detroit warehouse. Ned kept hearing chatter 0:01:14.956 --> 0:01:19.076 there's this huge deal out there and involved shrimp boats 0:01:19.076 --> 0:01:23.276 and barges and airplanes, and so I told my bosses 0:01:23.316 --> 0:01:25.356 about it, you know, and they kind of said, yeah, 0:01:25.036 --> 0:01:29.556 you know, right, Tim, is what he's smoking. Ned heard 0:01:29.596 --> 0:01:32.396 that this pot might be headed to a storage facility 0:01:32.676 --> 0:01:37.316 somewhere in Detroit, the El Dorado of stash houses over 0:01:37.356 --> 0:01:41.356 at the FBI. Ned's bosses had their doubts, but Ned 0:01:41.476 --> 0:01:44.876 stayed on the trail vintel, hanging out with his informants. 0:01:46.476 --> 0:01:48.876 Whenever I walked into a house or one of their 0:01:48.876 --> 0:01:53.076 houses or hotel or where they were, I always headed 0:01:53.156 --> 0:01:55.036 in my head, Okay, what if this happens? What if 0:01:55.036 --> 0:01:58.396 this happened? And I would go through a checklist of 0:01:58.436 --> 0:02:03.836 what I would do. You know, I had a gun, obviously, 0:02:04.556 --> 0:02:07.716 and here I was looking half the time. I turned around, 0:02:07.716 --> 0:02:09.956 and those guys had guns and they're not supposed to. 0:02:10.876 --> 0:02:15.676 Ned's main informant was still Toby Anderson, the violent, erratic 0:02:15.876 --> 0:02:19.756 biker slash country western singer. Toby was a hand garnade 0:02:19.756 --> 0:02:22.876 with a pin onw He just just a matter of 0:02:22.916 --> 0:02:26.716 time till he's self destructed or just died in a 0:02:26.756 --> 0:02:29.436 hail of bullets or something. You just you just couldn't 0:02:29.476 --> 0:02:35.276 control him. He's just crazy. He was difficult to manage, yes, 0:02:35.476 --> 0:02:39.556 but he was also giving that just enough, you know, crumbs. 0:02:40.036 --> 0:02:42.476 He connect him with other bikers. He'd helped him set 0:02:42.556 --> 0:02:46.156 up drug busts enough so that Ned could tell his bosses, look, 0:02:46.396 --> 0:02:50.236 I'm making progress. Like At one point, Toby introduces him 0:02:50.276 --> 0:02:53.276 to another criminal, and together the three of them set 0:02:53.356 --> 0:02:56.436 up a sting out in California. Their plan was to 0:02:56.476 --> 0:02:59.356 get meth from some dealers way out in the sticks. 0:03:01.396 --> 0:03:03.716 There's a big field and there's mountains up each side, 0:03:04.516 --> 0:03:11.436 and there's some hail billy there at the gate. And 0:03:11.876 --> 0:03:14.316 he meets us and gets us through this gate and 0:03:14.316 --> 0:03:16.876 it's you know, it's just a two track sage brush 0:03:17.036 --> 0:03:23.236 cactus and just high mountain desert. And we get near 0:03:23.276 --> 0:03:27.876 the barn and outcomes this freaking five hundred pound pig, 0:03:29.236 --> 0:03:33.156 I mean a big pig. And I said, what the 0:03:33.196 --> 0:03:36.036 fuck is it you? Oh, that's the guard hog's woman. 0:03:36.756 --> 0:03:39.436 He said, well, he smells people if they're you know, 0:03:39.596 --> 0:03:41.796 and the mountains are trying to survey us or whatever hills. 0:03:41.916 --> 0:03:43.676 And that's true. A pig. He has one of the 0:03:43.676 --> 0:03:47.876 best noses in the world. What really surprised NED is 0:03:47.916 --> 0:03:51.396 what these hillbuildings are feeding their prized guard pig. They'd 0:03:51.396 --> 0:03:55.876 soak a bug onion sweet onion in math and throw 0:03:55.916 --> 0:03:57.356 it to the pig. The pig loved it. I mean, 0:03:57.636 --> 0:04:00.596 he's like, you know, he wanted he wanted a fucking onion. 0:04:01.116 --> 0:04:04.156 And you know, I didn't really trust him because he's 0:04:04.156 --> 0:04:07.156 really fucking big, and he's got tossling shit and this 0:04:07.556 --> 0:04:10.916 was Ned's life now and passed a drugged up pig. 0:04:12.076 --> 0:04:14.796 Slide open the burned door and it's all Hey, pull 0:04:14.836 --> 0:04:16.476 out a bail in the middle, and you can crawl 0:04:16.516 --> 0:04:19.556 through the You crawl through the tunnel, through the hay bales, 0:04:19.996 --> 0:04:22.876 and you come into a big room. There's thirty stations 0:04:22.876 --> 0:04:25.676 set up for when Nick cook, Ned said it was 0:04:25.716 --> 0:04:28.516 the biggest meth lab he'd ever seen. He handed off 0:04:28.516 --> 0:04:31.796 the intel and a few weeks later the authorities busted 0:04:31.796 --> 0:04:35.676 the place, and it also clarified something for Ned. Yeah, 0:04:35.676 --> 0:04:38.556 he was a full time undercover FBI agent trying to 0:04:38.556 --> 0:04:40.996 figure out if the rumors he'd been hearing were true. 0:04:41.436 --> 0:04:45.636 But he also had another, maybe equally important job title 0:04:45.716 --> 0:04:54.036 now babysitter. We're driving someplace and all of a sudden, 0:04:54.076 --> 0:04:56.516 Toby's in the back seat and pulls out a gun. Well, 0:04:56.516 --> 0:04:58.356 he could have just easily popped one in the back 0:04:58.356 --> 0:05:01.916 of my head, but I was so pissed at him 0:05:01.916 --> 0:05:03.836 the way you pulled over, took the gun away from 0:05:03.876 --> 0:05:08.356 and threw it off the cliff. I mean, he knew 0:05:08.356 --> 0:05:10.076 he had he had his between his legs. You know 0:05:10.116 --> 0:05:18.956 he knew he got spanked. I'm Jake Halbern and this 0:05:19.236 --> 0:05:25.156 is deep Cover Episode two. What will the neighbors think? 0:05:52.316 --> 0:05:56.436 Ned kept pushing Toby for intel, and sometimes, apparently Toby 0:05:56.516 --> 0:05:58.716 would just lose it on Ned, saying that he was 0:05:58.796 --> 0:06:01.836 scared their cover would be blown, that word might get 0:06:01.836 --> 0:06:05.196 out among Detroit's biker gangs that Toby was an informant 0:06:05.276 --> 0:06:10.036 and that they were working together. In ned noir novel, 0:06:10.276 --> 0:06:14.236 he depicts one of Toby's panicked rants. Toby tells him 0:06:14.356 --> 0:06:17.796 they'll kill us, Bros. We fuck up and they'll kill us. 0:06:17.796 --> 0:06:21.476 You understand, no one will even find the bodies, Just 0:06:21.596 --> 0:06:23.876 shoot us and stuck us in a Vada ascid or 0:06:23.916 --> 0:06:26.756 some shit. You have any idea how fucking dangerous this 0:06:26.796 --> 0:06:30.796 shit is? Ned nodded, but Toby grabbed him by the arm, 0:06:30.956 --> 0:06:33.836 leaned in close, close enough he could smell the ether, 0:06:34.076 --> 0:06:37.916 the cigarettes, and the bo do you bros, you fucking 0:06:37.996 --> 0:06:41.116 butter because it's me and you out there dangling right 0:06:41.156 --> 0:06:47.276 over the goddamn edge. The dialogue may sound a bit stilted, 0:06:47.356 --> 0:06:50.876 but Ned insists the essence is accurate, and that in 0:06:50.916 --> 0:06:54.996 a way, the distrust was mutual. Ned was keenly aware 0:06:55.036 --> 0:06:59.556 of how dangerous, how precarious their relationship was becoming. You 0:06:59.596 --> 0:07:02.476 don't just go out in an hour and do something 0:07:02.516 --> 0:07:05.636 and get a fugitive or whatever. We work for days. 0:07:05.716 --> 0:07:08.676 Sometimes we're staying at hotels, we're traveling, we're flying together, 0:07:08.716 --> 0:07:12.516 we're dry together. You know, if you don't trust that guy, 0:07:14.716 --> 0:07:18.916 you get a problem. Because my neck is at risk 0:07:18.996 --> 0:07:21.036 and his neck is at risk, and both of us 0:07:21.036 --> 0:07:25.036 are at risk. So I better trust him and he'd 0:07:25.036 --> 0:07:28.236 better trust me. For the stuff we were doing. Despite 0:07:28.276 --> 0:07:31.676 the risks, Ned was increasingly comfortable in his new habitat 0:07:32.116 --> 0:07:35.556 not just that he kind of liked it, liked being ed. 0:07:35.676 --> 0:07:40.236 Thomas liked riding as Harley, staying out late in the bars, 0:07:40.636 --> 0:07:44.236 gathering intel. I must though, because I was doing it. 0:07:44.476 --> 0:07:47.276 There's a lot of adrenal into it. You're out there 0:07:47.516 --> 0:07:50.276 on the edge, you know, hanging on to the edge 0:07:50.316 --> 0:07:56.596 of the cliff with your fingernails all the time. No 0:07:56.676 --> 0:07:59.196 one at the office was exactly telling Ned to go 0:07:59.236 --> 0:08:02.236 to these lengths, but he felt that he needed to 0:08:02.236 --> 0:08:04.796 be on duty all the time to do his job right. 0:08:05.356 --> 0:08:08.356 You know, we did a zillion other drug deals, so 0:08:08.396 --> 0:08:11.236 we always had something going on? What does this due 0:08:11.236 --> 0:08:15.196 to your home life? Just trays it. You live it. 0:08:15.276 --> 0:08:18.436 You live at twenty four to seven, your eyes waiting 0:08:18.476 --> 0:08:20.956 for the next call, whether they wreck a car, steal 0:08:20.956 --> 0:08:26.316 a car, break into a house, shoot somebody, stab somebody. 0:08:26.436 --> 0:08:31.356 It's it's analysts. It's like taking care of juvenile delinquents 0:08:31.396 --> 0:08:37.636 that are adult killers. Back home, Ned's wife Kathy was 0:08:37.676 --> 0:08:42.396 discovering that her husband's alter ego was taking over ed 0:08:42.476 --> 0:08:46.756 Thomas now needed his own room. We had three bedrooms. 0:08:47.716 --> 0:08:50.316 One was more like a guest room, and I think 0:08:50.356 --> 0:08:52.156 we had a desk in there and stuff like that. 0:08:52.356 --> 0:08:54.676 I recall that he said, Hey, yeah, they're going to 0:08:54.756 --> 0:08:57.396 put in an undercover phone here at the house. You know, 0:08:57.396 --> 0:09:00.116 so if it rings, you know, you're I'm gonna you know, 0:09:00.436 --> 0:09:02.956 here's your name, and just you know, answer it and 0:09:03.036 --> 0:09:05.116 be cool, you know, act like you're my girlfriend. I go, 0:09:05.156 --> 0:09:06.836 why do I have to act like me your girlfriend? 0:09:06.916 --> 0:09:10.716 Why can't I just be your wife? Kathy was an 0:09:10.716 --> 0:09:14.076 FBI agent in Detroit too, and she'd also gone undercover 0:09:14.796 --> 0:09:19.036 just once. I did one undercover thing one time, and 0:09:19.076 --> 0:09:21.036 I was not at all comfortable with it. I felt 0:09:21.036 --> 0:09:22.756 like everybody can look at me and see that I'm 0:09:22.756 --> 0:09:25.236 a cop. Kathy had spent the night at a gambling 0:09:25.316 --> 0:09:28.036 joint run by the mob, getting to know the criminals. 0:09:28.396 --> 0:09:31.796 Then the cops busted in. Everyone hands up against the wall. 0:09:32.196 --> 0:09:34.596 Then they told Kathy you're good, you can put your 0:09:34.636 --> 0:09:38.116 hands down now. But I was I just was like, no, 0:09:38.196 --> 0:09:40.916 I don't. I'm so embarrassed now in front of these 0:09:40.956 --> 0:09:42.956 people who have been so nice to me all night, 0:09:43.196 --> 0:09:45.076 and I just found it out of there. I was 0:09:45.116 --> 0:09:46.996 just like, yeah, don't ever make me do something like 0:09:47.036 --> 0:09:49.676 that again. That's not me. I'm not comfortable in that situation. 0:09:49.836 --> 0:09:52.476 I feel like a big fat liar is written like 0:09:52.676 --> 0:09:55.956 all across my forehead. Her husband, Ned, he didn't seem 0:09:55.996 --> 0:09:58.916 to have that problem. He seemed comfortable with the pressure 0:09:59.116 --> 0:10:02.996 and the deception. Or maybe he was more than that. 0:10:03.716 --> 0:10:08.716 I think Ned always was what one of his supervisors 0:10:09.156 --> 0:10:13.116 gcribed Neda as an edge worker. Ned was always right 0:10:13.116 --> 0:10:18.276 at the edge of going off to the criminal side. 0:10:19.716 --> 0:10:23.556 And then one day he did the unthinkable. He brought 0:10:23.556 --> 0:10:27.356 the criminals home with him to his leafy, upscale suburban house. 0:10:27.556 --> 0:10:30.236 Just shows up with Toby and one of his sidekicks. 0:10:30.436 --> 0:10:35.116 They all just sauntered up the driveway together. Well, they 0:10:35.236 --> 0:10:43.476 looked just like motorcycle guys. The hair, the the you know, 0:10:43.516 --> 0:10:46.156 instead of having a belt having belts that are like 0:10:46.436 --> 0:10:50.996 chains or whatever. Their jeans are not like fashionable. Their 0:10:51.076 --> 0:10:55.596 jeans are just you know, beat up jeans, and and 0:10:56.036 --> 0:10:59.236 you know they've got flu Manchu mustaches and long hair. 0:11:00.356 --> 0:11:04.836 They're not trying to give an appearance of like good looking. 0:11:05.796 --> 0:11:09.676 I thought, oh my god, what will my name think. 0:11:09.716 --> 0:11:13.556 I hope they didn't see them come in because they 0:11:13.636 --> 0:11:19.996 look like really rough characters. And my neighbors belonged to 0:11:20.236 --> 0:11:26.876 Oakland Hills Country Club. No one and I truly mean 0:11:27.036 --> 0:11:30.116 no one here would ever mistake Toby or any of 0:11:30.116 --> 0:11:36.996 his buddies for golfers. This was like the ultimate intrusion 0:11:37.036 --> 0:11:41.916 into my life, into our life. It just is unheard of, 0:11:42.156 --> 0:11:46.836 you know, it just was. It was not appropriate, and 0:11:46.956 --> 0:11:50.756 it was it was I felt it was dangerous. People 0:11:50.796 --> 0:11:54.716 could could have you know, followed them or seen them, 0:11:54.836 --> 0:11:57.916 or you know, now they know where we live. Okay, 0:11:57.956 --> 0:12:02.076 so that's Kathy the homemaker worrying. But here's Kathy the 0:12:02.196 --> 0:12:06.116 FBI agent, and she's also worried. I had a lot 0:12:06.156 --> 0:12:10.116 of my own informants, and they would never have come 0:12:10.156 --> 0:12:13.116 to my home or I never even would have like 0:12:13.396 --> 0:12:17.516 lunch with them or something. I mean, I'm an FBI agent, 0:12:17.956 --> 0:12:20.236 I'm a law enforcement person. Why would they even want 0:12:20.276 --> 0:12:22.836 to sit down any place and be seen with me. 0:12:23.516 --> 0:12:29.276 You've just compromised that confidential relationship. I spoke to a 0:12:29.356 --> 0:12:32.556 number of Ned's former colleagues, and they pretty much all 0:12:32.596 --> 0:12:36.356 agreed with Kathy. No one brought an informant home with them. 0:12:36.396 --> 0:12:39.996 It was too risky. Oddly enough, the one person I 0:12:40.076 --> 0:12:43.116 spoke with from Ned's FBI days who had also done 0:12:43.116 --> 0:12:46.796 this was his direct supervisor. He told me that he 0:12:46.836 --> 0:12:50.476 and Ned were quote unquote rebels. For his part, Ned 0:12:50.516 --> 0:12:53.676 defends himself, saying it was a judgment call, the decision 0:12:53.716 --> 0:12:57.076 to bring Toby home. It was calculated. Well, it depends 0:12:57.116 --> 0:13:00.436 on how much trust you having your sources, and that 0:13:00.516 --> 0:13:04.076 also builds trusts with the sources, the sources that can 0:13:04.076 --> 0:13:07.196 get you killed any second. Well, I'm curious, did you 0:13:07.236 --> 0:13:10.436 do it just out of kind of professional relationship building 0:13:10.516 --> 0:13:13.196 or did you do it because these were your friends 0:13:13.196 --> 0:13:17.636 and this was your wife. I think to build a 0:13:17.636 --> 0:13:20.996 bond with the sources you depend on those guys not 0:13:21.036 --> 0:13:23.156 to stand up and say, hey, he's a fucking FBI 0:13:23.236 --> 0:13:28.836 agent and you have to build this bond. So whatever 0:13:28.876 --> 0:13:31.916 I was doing seemed to work. I wouldn't recommend it 0:13:31.956 --> 0:13:34.516 to anybody. I can't teach it. I can't say that's 0:13:34.516 --> 0:13:39.036 what to do. But that's what I did. Kathy she 0:13:39.116 --> 0:13:42.876 didn't like it, but she didn't confront Ned or overrule him. 0:13:43.436 --> 0:13:48.556 And Ned never really asked for permission either. Oh no, no, no, no, 0:13:48.596 --> 0:13:51.076 you know no. See, Ned never checked in with me 0:13:51.196 --> 0:13:55.756 first on anything. Our marriage was more like, hey, look, 0:13:56.676 --> 0:13:58.836 we're going to move to a new house. Come here, 0:13:58.876 --> 0:14:01.036 I'll take you and you will look at it. My 0:14:01.116 --> 0:14:05.876 marriage was more traditional in that regard that, you know, 0:14:05.956 --> 0:14:08.596 he said what we were going to do back then. 0:14:09.156 --> 0:14:11.036 I'm going to blame this on the times a lot, 0:14:11.076 --> 0:14:14.156 but probably also the way I was raised. It just 0:14:14.236 --> 0:14:18.276 did not occur to me to object to my husband. 0:14:18.716 --> 0:14:22.076 He has this, he's got this, It'll be fine. But 0:14:22.196 --> 0:14:25.476 this wasn't a one off occasion. Ned brought Toby home 0:14:25.516 --> 0:14:29.156 with him multiple times. Kathy remembers them all hanging out 0:14:29.516 --> 0:14:34.876 on the backdeck Cookenburger's Super Casual. It was kind of 0:14:34.916 --> 0:14:38.196 the opposite of the whole undercover stick, you know, like 0:14:38.356 --> 0:14:42.076 in Donnie Brasco, where the FBI agent has two completely 0:14:42.116 --> 0:14:44.956 separate lives, one as a gangster and one is a 0:14:44.956 --> 0:14:49.636 suburban dad with a teflon firewall separating them. It was 0:14:49.676 --> 0:14:54.476 almost as if Ned Timmins and Ed Thomas were morphing 0:14:54.876 --> 0:14:58.796 into a single being. Perhaps this was inevitable given Ned's 0:14:58.796 --> 0:15:02.836 strategy of building trust, but this isn't how Kathy sees it. 0:15:03.636 --> 0:15:05.596 You know, you don't have to choose that path. You 0:15:05.596 --> 0:15:09.196 don't have to choose to work a case in that way, 0:15:09.356 --> 0:15:12.436 you don't have to choose to go deep cover. You know, 0:15:12.916 --> 0:15:16.876 it all evolves. And but I know for him, he 0:15:17.036 --> 0:15:21.196 felt like it was just spinning into the next, into 0:15:21.276 --> 0:15:24.076 the next, into the next, And he told me that 0:15:24.116 --> 0:15:26.356 he felt like he didn't know how he was ever 0:15:26.396 --> 0:15:29.076 going to get out of it. In the midst of 0:15:29.116 --> 0:15:32.956 all of this, Ned's game plan paid off big time 0:15:33.476 --> 0:15:35.636 when he gets the break you've been waiting for, and 0:15:35.716 --> 0:15:40.476 it involved, of all people, Toby's little brother, a guy 0:15:40.516 --> 0:15:55.676 who went by the nickname Shine. One day Ned got 0:15:55.676 --> 0:15:58.876 would seem like a big lead from Toby, though on 0:15:58.956 --> 0:16:03.156 its face it seemed a bit far fetched Toby says, Hey, 0:16:03.196 --> 0:16:07.396 I gotta tell my brother is into something really big, 0:16:09.236 --> 0:16:11.716 but he won't let us near it because he's afraid. Now, Robert, 0:16:13.196 --> 0:16:15.156 so what is it? He says. It has to do 0:16:15.276 --> 0:16:18.876 with airplanes and boats and chapter trailer loads of dope 0:16:18.916 --> 0:16:22.516 coming to Detroit. And Toby knew he was into something big. 0:16:23.396 --> 0:16:27.916 Ned didn't know exactly what to make of this. Planes, boats, 0:16:28.476 --> 0:16:32.596 tractor trailers all filled with weed. Was it possible that 0:16:32.676 --> 0:16:36.316 Toby the Walking hand Grenade really had a brother who 0:16:36.436 --> 0:16:40.356 was a big time criminal orchestrating all of this? If 0:16:40.356 --> 0:16:42.876 this was true, how had Ned not picked up on 0:16:42.916 --> 0:16:51.836 this sooner. Toby's brother went by the name Shine. His 0:16:51.956 --> 0:16:55.636 real name was Clinton Anderson. He died in the late nineties, 0:16:55.676 --> 0:16:58.036 so I had to kind of piece together a picture 0:16:58.116 --> 0:17:01.316 of who he was. I don't have the background as 0:17:01.316 --> 0:17:06.116 to why they called him Shine. About my uncle Clint. 0:17:05.956 --> 0:17:10.996 In my memories of him, he was a ted. This 0:17:11.076 --> 0:17:14.836 is Jesse Anderson, Toby's son. Shine was his uncle, and 0:17:14.956 --> 0:17:18.716 Jesse loved his uncle, adored him. I talked to a 0:17:18.756 --> 0:17:21.676 bunch of people who knew Shine well, and they all 0:17:21.796 --> 0:17:25.396 described him pretty much as this big, lovable guy. One 0:17:25.436 --> 0:17:28.076 person said he would have made a perfect Santa Clause. 0:17:28.596 --> 0:17:31.476 Another said he looked like Wilfred Grimley, you know, the 0:17:31.596 --> 0:17:34.836 grandfather of the actor who started all the Quaker Oats commercials. 0:17:35.716 --> 0:17:38.596 When things got rough at home for Jesse, he actually 0:17:38.636 --> 0:17:40.836 went to live with his uncle Clint for a while. 0:17:41.236 --> 0:17:45.036 He loved being there. Geez, just like anywhere else, right, 0:17:45.236 --> 0:17:48.356 kids running around playing football in the front yard, you know, 0:17:49.236 --> 0:17:54.556 watching football, watching baseball, you know, life in the seventies 0:17:54.556 --> 0:17:58.756 and early eighties, gambling, playing dart, shooting pool, you know, 0:17:58.956 --> 0:18:01.756 normal way of life. Little Jesse had never seen a 0:18:01.836 --> 0:18:04.756 dad who could be depended on before. I guess I 0:18:04.796 --> 0:18:06.996 wanted that for my dad. And that's that's what I 0:18:07.036 --> 0:18:09.876 always appreciated about my uncle Clint was you know, he 0:18:10.396 --> 0:18:14.156 was I recall him always being there, and I recall 0:18:14.276 --> 0:18:18.516 him always um, you know, never having to worry m 0:18:18.636 --> 0:18:21.316 like I did with my dad and my immediate you know, 0:18:21.676 --> 0:18:24.356 a line of sight and what I recall. And maybe 0:18:24.396 --> 0:18:26.556 I was blinded by that because I was just so 0:18:26.596 --> 0:18:28.476 happy to be with my you know, have a family, 0:18:28.556 --> 0:18:31.596 have a bad wake up, go to school, not necessarily 0:18:31.596 --> 0:18:33.756 have to worry about anything, right. It was. It was great. 0:18:34.556 --> 0:18:36.756 Jesse says the men and his family tended to be 0:18:36.836 --> 0:18:40.076 hard and have a short fuse. But I don't remember 0:18:40.116 --> 0:18:42.516 my uncle Clinton like that at all. I mean, again, 0:18:42.596 --> 0:18:45.556 for me, you know the way that I look at 0:18:45.556 --> 0:18:48.396 my uncle Clint was it was much like it was 0:18:48.476 --> 0:18:54.076 much like a savior. Shine had a son named Adam. 0:18:54.116 --> 0:18:57.196 He was Jesse's older cousin. It took me a long 0:18:57.316 --> 0:19:00.596 time to track him down. One night he finally agreed 0:19:00.596 --> 0:19:04.716 to speak by phone. All right, Jake, give me a 0:19:04.756 --> 0:19:07.396 second here. He says that Shine was a jack of 0:19:07.436 --> 0:19:11.116 all trades, a salesman and sold cars and boats too. 0:19:11.516 --> 0:19:16.876 Though Shin didn't talk about his work a ton, you know, 0:19:17.116 --> 0:19:22.156 his work and his family's subarate. He was a good guy, 0:19:22.636 --> 0:19:27.916 but he had an edge. Shine was a striver. He 0:19:27.996 --> 0:19:31.196 was always looking for something beyond the working class suburb 0:19:31.236 --> 0:19:34.676 where they started out, a place called Melvindale, a town 0:19:34.796 --> 0:19:39.396 dominated by the nearby Ford, GM and Chrysler plants. Melvindale 0:19:40.436 --> 0:19:44.196 was I fall it a factory town. Pretty much everybody 0:19:44.236 --> 0:19:47.596 there worked and worked for the Big three and was 0:19:47.756 --> 0:19:51.356 working class, good people. But he was kind of like 0:19:52.076 --> 0:19:54.316 taking me out of that environment, showing me that there 0:19:54.396 --> 0:19:58.356 was more like you know, you can't achieve more. No, no, 0:19:58.476 --> 0:20:00.196 you don't have to just be a line worker all 0:20:00.236 --> 0:20:03.236 your life. Adam had a lot of memories from that time, 0:20:03.516 --> 0:20:05.636 like when his dad came home with a new gadget, 0:20:05.836 --> 0:20:10.436 a mysterious briefcase filled with meters and electrical wires. The 0:20:10.516 --> 0:20:13.956 device was known as a p SE, which stood for 0:20:14.236 --> 0:20:20.316 Psychological Stress evaluator. It was an alternative to the traditional 0:20:20.396 --> 0:20:23.516 lie detector, and it could be used discreetly, so it 0:20:23.516 --> 0:20:27.876 didn't require hooking the subject up to any wires or anything. Supposedly, 0:20:27.996 --> 0:20:30.596 a skilled operator could use it to pick up on 0:20:30.916 --> 0:20:34.636 micro tremors in your voice. I spoke to a lot 0:20:34.636 --> 0:20:38.676 of people who knew Shine and remembered vividly him showing 0:20:38.756 --> 0:20:44.956 up with his briefcase and testing them. Oh yes, everybody 0:20:44.996 --> 0:20:49.596 took a test. Everybody. There was a guy that always 0:20:49.596 --> 0:20:53.436 carried around this sort of big boxy briefcase. As I recall, 0:20:53.436 --> 0:20:55.356 Oh yeah, he could scarely on it. Sure he was 0:20:55.396 --> 0:20:57.636 a good bullshitter, you know it all a little nervous 0:20:57.636 --> 0:21:01.076 spot taking this Dagone thing he asked your questions. I 0:21:01.156 --> 0:21:04.036 guess it works. Ask you what your name is and 0:21:04.156 --> 0:21:06.796 you tell him. Then you tell him a lie and 0:21:06.876 --> 0:21:10.916 so it gives him was a distinction of between the 0:21:11.036 --> 0:21:14.596 truth and lie, whether it works or now, I'd scare 0:21:14.676 --> 0:21:16.796 the shit out of you. So I imagine it would 0:21:16.876 --> 0:21:19.196 keep people straight. And I'm sure he was one of 0:21:19.196 --> 0:21:27.676 the most valuable tools they had, you know, in doing US. 0:21:27.716 --> 0:21:30.916 Shine had graduated from a special course and now he 0:21:31.036 --> 0:21:36.036 was a trained PSC operator. He took it seriously, and Adam, 0:21:36.236 --> 0:21:39.196 like any kid, was curious. So there was something different. 0:21:39.276 --> 0:21:42.076 It was interesting. I didn't know why he's doing it 0:21:42.116 --> 0:21:44.916 on cool. Dad got a new job, you know, and 0:21:45.036 --> 0:21:48.236 the job came with perks like this. One time his 0:21:48.356 --> 0:21:50.916 dad took him on a business trip. They flew down 0:21:50.956 --> 0:21:54.076 to Houston, Texas. Together. They stayed at this cool hotel 0:21:54.396 --> 0:21:57.316 that was connected to a big shopping mall, and at 0:21:57.356 --> 0:22:00.396 some point Shine tells his son, He's like, hey, I 0:22:00.476 --> 0:22:03.916 gotta go out for a little while, you know, don't 0:22:04.316 --> 0:22:07.156 don't leave the room, don't answer the door. Alone in 0:22:07.236 --> 0:22:11.196 his hotel room, Adam watched TV. Minutes turned to hours, 0:22:11.396 --> 0:22:13.556 and he began to think about what his dad had said. 0:22:14.236 --> 0:22:18.396 Don't answer at the door. Why not? Who was it 0:22:18.436 --> 0:22:22.636 that might come knocking. Adam wasn't worried exactly, but he 0:22:22.716 --> 0:22:26.476 began to wonder what was his dad up to. But 0:22:26.556 --> 0:22:30.116 I think maybe whoever he was working with, they had 0:22:30.116 --> 0:22:32.756 another room in the same hotel, so they could have 0:22:32.756 --> 0:22:37.036 been just down the hall. I don't believe he left. 0:22:37.076 --> 0:22:39.676 I think he just grabbed his machine and you know, 0:22:40.556 --> 0:22:44.436 went to another room. Adam didn't ask any questions, and 0:22:44.476 --> 0:22:46.476 he didn't give it too much thought at the time, 0:22:46.796 --> 0:22:49.236 but eventually he started to think back to moments like 0:22:49.316 --> 0:22:52.236 this and wonder maybe what his father did was not 0:22:52.436 --> 0:22:54.636 entirely on the op and up. I mean, who was 0:22:54.716 --> 0:22:58.516 paying him to carry around that briefcase anyway. In fact, 0:22:58.596 --> 0:23:01.436 clues began to surface that Shine was much more than 0:23:01.516 --> 0:23:05.516 just a suburban dad with a mysterious job. One of 0:23:05.516 --> 0:23:08.356 these clues turned up a thousand miles to the South 0:23:08.756 --> 0:23:12.876 Way down in Louisiana and a lonely by you very 0:23:12.916 --> 0:23:38.516 far from Detroit. As Ned continued to investigate the bikers 0:23:38.676 --> 0:23:42.876 in Detroit, detectives in Louisiana, we're looking into a big 0:23:42.916 --> 0:23:47.876 smuggling job. It all began with a guy named Dave Ware. Yeah, 0:23:47.916 --> 0:23:51.196 I was a helicopter pilot on the sign to Louisiana 0:23:51.236 --> 0:23:56.156 State Police in our region too southwest Louisiana. One day, 0:23:56.356 --> 0:23:59.076 Dave gets a tip about an abandoned barge, so he 0:23:59.156 --> 0:24:01.796 goes looking for it. Flies up a lonely stretch of 0:24:01.836 --> 0:24:04.796 a Vermilion River, a seventy mile long by you in 0:24:04.876 --> 0:24:10.436 southern Louisiana. It's flat, You've got agriculture fields and then area. 0:24:10.516 --> 0:24:15.756 It's a heavy marsh and thick jungle type area. So 0:24:16.036 --> 0:24:20.156 they were just choppering along. We looked down and we 0:24:20.236 --> 0:24:23.476 see this huge barge tied off with some rope next 0:24:23.476 --> 0:24:27.676 to some trees. And we're like, well, that's odd. And 0:24:27.716 --> 0:24:30.476 we were kind of scratching our heads what to do. 0:24:30.556 --> 0:24:32.476 And I said, well, I'll just land on the barge. 0:24:32.636 --> 0:24:35.916 I mean, it's like landing on aircraft carrier. So they 0:24:35.996 --> 0:24:38.156 land on the barge, they get out of the chopper, 0:24:38.356 --> 0:24:42.356 they start poking around. Sure enough, they find a sealed 0:24:42.396 --> 0:24:46.636 hatch welded into the deck, hidden beneath some coils of rope. 0:24:47.596 --> 0:24:49.796 And so I went to the cargo hole of my 0:24:49.836 --> 0:24:52.596 aircraft and dug it my little two bag I always carred, 0:24:52.596 --> 0:24:56.236 and got a screwdriver and started digging at this rubber 0:24:56.396 --> 0:24:59.116 ceilant and you gotta menage. The sun was out and 0:24:59.196 --> 0:25:03.196 it was hot. And when I've popped that ceiling, the 0:25:03.956 --> 0:25:06.876 spew just you know, morstar had come up and the 0:25:06.876 --> 0:25:09.156 smell of marijuana. And we looked at each other and 0:25:09.356 --> 0:25:14.436 smile and said bingo. The barge itself was quite large 0:25:14.556 --> 0:25:18.396 and basically empty. All that remained with the dregs some 0:25:18.436 --> 0:25:20.676 psyche bales that had somehow gotten a wet at the 0:25:20.676 --> 0:25:23.476 bottom of the boat. Apparently the rest of the load, 0:25:23.836 --> 0:25:27.676 totally a few hundred thousand pounds, had all been unloaded, 0:25:27.676 --> 0:25:34.196 successfully dry and ready to smoke. A narcotics agent named 0:25:34.276 --> 0:25:38.796 Roy Fruget took up the investigation. So we walked on 0:25:38.876 --> 0:25:41.196 the barge and we saw marijuana sees all over it. 0:25:41.276 --> 0:25:44.116 We looked through some drawers. We found a Panamanian flag, 0:25:44.516 --> 0:25:47.596 we found a Colombian flag. Well, you don't have to 0:25:47.636 --> 0:25:50.556 be Sherlock Holmes to realize that we stumbled up on 0:25:50.636 --> 0:25:56.036 something that was large and scale and that it was international. Eventually, 0:25:56.356 --> 0:25:59.596 the agents figured out that a local marine contractor had 0:25:59.636 --> 0:26:02.516 been hired to move the barge up the river, and 0:26:02.596 --> 0:26:05.436 as luck would have it, the contractors had a receipt 0:26:05.876 --> 0:26:09.556