1 00:00:15,316 --> 00:00:26,556 Speaker 1: Pushkin Previously on deep cover. In Michigan. In the early 2 00:00:26,676 --> 00:00:30,796 Speaker 1: nineteen eighties, an FBI agent named Ned Timmins followed a hunch. 3 00:00:31,356 --> 00:00:34,356 Speaker 1: He believed that a drug ring was smuggling massive amounts 4 00:00:34,356 --> 00:00:38,236 Speaker 1: of pot into America, and he thought the local biker 5 00:00:38,276 --> 00:00:42,516 Speaker 1: gangs were involved in some way. So Ned went undercover, 6 00:00:42,956 --> 00:00:46,636 Speaker 1: using a new name, Ed Thomas. He grew a fu 7 00:00:46,716 --> 00:00:50,756 Speaker 1: mancher mustache, wrote to Harley Davidson, and started hanging out 8 00:00:50,796 --> 00:00:55,996 Speaker 1: in roadside honky talks all the while gathering intel war 9 00:00:56,036 --> 00:01:00,596 Speaker 1: ahead sources up in northern Michigan bikers, and they would 10 00:01:00,596 --> 00:01:03,876 Speaker 1: talk about the bikers would get their supply of weed 11 00:01:04,076 --> 00:01:06,556 Speaker 1: when these big shipments would come in, you know, which 12 00:01:06,636 --> 00:01:09,436 Speaker 1: is fifty thousand pounds, one hundred thousand pounds or whatever 13 00:01:09,436 --> 00:01:13,236 Speaker 1: would come into the Detroit warehouse. Ned kept hearing chatter 14 00:01:14,956 --> 00:01:19,076 Speaker 1: there's this huge deal out there and involved shrimp boats 15 00:01:19,076 --> 00:01:23,276 Speaker 1: and barges and airplanes, and so I told my bosses 16 00:01:23,316 --> 00:01:25,356 Speaker 1: about it, you know, and they kind of said, yeah, 17 00:01:25,036 --> 00:01:29,556 Speaker 1: you know, right, Tim, is what he's smoking. Ned heard 18 00:01:29,596 --> 00:01:32,396 Speaker 1: that this pot might be headed to a storage facility 19 00:01:32,676 --> 00:01:37,316 Speaker 1: somewhere in Detroit, the El Dorado of stash houses over 20 00:01:37,356 --> 00:01:41,356 Speaker 1: at the FBI. Ned's bosses had their doubts, but Ned 21 00:01:41,476 --> 00:01:44,876 Speaker 1: stayed on the trail vintel, hanging out with his informants. 22 00:01:46,476 --> 00:01:48,876 Speaker 1: Whenever I walked into a house or one of their 23 00:01:48,876 --> 00:01:53,076 Speaker 1: houses or hotel or where they were, I always headed 24 00:01:53,156 --> 00:01:55,036 Speaker 1: in my head, Okay, what if this happens? What if 25 00:01:55,036 --> 00:01:58,396 Speaker 1: this happened? And I would go through a checklist of 26 00:01:58,436 --> 00:02:03,836 Speaker 1: what I would do. You know, I had a gun, obviously, 27 00:02:04,556 --> 00:02:07,716 Speaker 1: and here I was looking half the time. I turned around, 28 00:02:07,716 --> 00:02:09,956 Speaker 1: and those guys had guns and they're not supposed to. 29 00:02:10,876 --> 00:02:15,676 Speaker 1: Ned's main informant was still Toby Anderson, the violent, erratic 30 00:02:15,876 --> 00:02:19,756 Speaker 1: biker slash country western singer. Toby was a hand garnade 31 00:02:19,756 --> 00:02:22,876 Speaker 1: with a pin onw He just just a matter of 32 00:02:22,916 --> 00:02:26,716 Speaker 1: time till he's self destructed or just died in a 33 00:02:26,756 --> 00:02:29,436 Speaker 1: hail of bullets or something. You just you just couldn't 34 00:02:29,476 --> 00:02:35,276 Speaker 1: control him. He's just crazy. He was difficult to manage, yes, 35 00:02:35,476 --> 00:02:39,556 Speaker 1: but he was also giving that just enough, you know, crumbs. 36 00:02:40,036 --> 00:02:42,476 Speaker 1: He connect him with other bikers. He'd helped him set 37 00:02:42,556 --> 00:02:46,156 Speaker 1: up drug busts enough so that Ned could tell his bosses, look, 38 00:02:46,396 --> 00:02:50,236 Speaker 1: I'm making progress. Like At one point, Toby introduces him 39 00:02:50,276 --> 00:02:53,276 Speaker 1: to another criminal, and together the three of them set 40 00:02:53,356 --> 00:02:56,436 Speaker 1: up a sting out in California. Their plan was to 41 00:02:56,476 --> 00:02:59,356 Speaker 1: get meth from some dealers way out in the sticks. 42 00:03:01,396 --> 00:03:03,716 Speaker 1: There's a big field and there's mountains up each side, 43 00:03:04,516 --> 00:03:11,436 Speaker 1: and there's some hail billy there at the gate. And 44 00:03:11,876 --> 00:03:14,316 Speaker 1: he meets us and gets us through this gate and 45 00:03:14,316 --> 00:03:16,876 Speaker 1: it's you know, it's just a two track sage brush 46 00:03:17,036 --> 00:03:23,236 Speaker 1: cactus and just high mountain desert. And we get near 47 00:03:23,276 --> 00:03:27,876 Speaker 1: the barn and outcomes this freaking five hundred pound pig, 48 00:03:29,236 --> 00:03:33,156 Speaker 1: I mean a big pig. And I said, what the 49 00:03:33,196 --> 00:03:36,036 Speaker 1: fuck is it you? Oh, that's the guard hog's woman. 50 00:03:36,756 --> 00:03:39,436 Speaker 1: He said, well, he smells people if they're you know, 51 00:03:39,596 --> 00:03:41,796 Speaker 1: and the mountains are trying to survey us or whatever hills. 52 00:03:41,916 --> 00:03:43,676 Speaker 1: And that's true. A pig. He has one of the 53 00:03:43,676 --> 00:03:47,876 Speaker 1: best noses in the world. What really surprised NED is 54 00:03:47,916 --> 00:03:51,396 Speaker 1: what these hillbuildings are feeding their prized guard pig. They'd 55 00:03:51,396 --> 00:03:55,876 Speaker 1: soak a bug onion sweet onion in math and throw 56 00:03:55,916 --> 00:03:57,356 Speaker 1: it to the pig. The pig loved it. I mean, 57 00:03:57,636 --> 00:04:00,596 Speaker 1: he's like, you know, he wanted he wanted a fucking onion. 58 00:04:01,116 --> 00:04:04,156 Speaker 1: And you know, I didn't really trust him because he's 59 00:04:04,156 --> 00:04:07,156 Speaker 1: really fucking big, and he's got tossling shit and this 60 00:04:07,556 --> 00:04:10,916 Speaker 1: was Ned's life now and passed a drugged up pig. 61 00:04:12,076 --> 00:04:14,796 Speaker 1: Slide open the burned door and it's all Hey, pull 62 00:04:14,836 --> 00:04:16,476 Speaker 1: out a bail in the middle, and you can crawl 63 00:04:16,516 --> 00:04:19,556 Speaker 1: through the You crawl through the tunnel, through the hay bales, 64 00:04:19,996 --> 00:04:22,876 Speaker 1: and you come into a big room. There's thirty stations 65 00:04:22,876 --> 00:04:25,676 Speaker 1: set up for when Nick cook, Ned said it was 66 00:04:25,716 --> 00:04:28,516 Speaker 1: the biggest meth lab he'd ever seen. He handed off 67 00:04:28,516 --> 00:04:31,796 Speaker 1: the intel and a few weeks later the authorities busted 68 00:04:31,796 --> 00:04:35,676 Speaker 1: the place, and it also clarified something for Ned. Yeah, 69 00:04:35,676 --> 00:04:38,556 Speaker 1: he was a full time undercover FBI agent trying to 70 00:04:38,556 --> 00:04:40,996 Speaker 1: figure out if the rumors he'd been hearing were true. 71 00:04:41,436 --> 00:04:45,636 Speaker 1: But he also had another, maybe equally important job title 72 00:04:45,716 --> 00:04:54,036 Speaker 1: now babysitter. We're driving someplace and all of a sudden, 73 00:04:54,076 --> 00:04:56,516 Speaker 1: Toby's in the back seat and pulls out a gun. Well, 74 00:04:56,516 --> 00:04:58,356 Speaker 1: he could have just easily popped one in the back 75 00:04:58,356 --> 00:05:01,916 Speaker 1: of my head, but I was so pissed at him 76 00:05:01,916 --> 00:05:03,836 Speaker 1: the way you pulled over, took the gun away from 77 00:05:03,876 --> 00:05:08,356 Speaker 1: and threw it off the cliff. I mean, he knew 78 00:05:08,356 --> 00:05:10,076 Speaker 1: he had he had his between his legs. You know 79 00:05:10,116 --> 00:05:18,956 Speaker 1: he knew he got spanked. I'm Jake Halbern and this 80 00:05:19,236 --> 00:05:25,156 Speaker 1: is deep Cover Episode two. What will the neighbors think? 81 00:05:52,316 --> 00:05:56,436 Speaker 1: Ned kept pushing Toby for intel, and sometimes, apparently Toby 82 00:05:56,516 --> 00:05:58,716 Speaker 1: would just lose it on Ned, saying that he was 83 00:05:58,796 --> 00:06:01,836 Speaker 1: scared their cover would be blown, that word might get 84 00:06:01,836 --> 00:06:05,196 Speaker 1: out among Detroit's biker gangs that Toby was an informant 85 00:06:05,276 --> 00:06:10,036 Speaker 1: and that they were working together. In ned noir novel, 86 00:06:10,276 --> 00:06:14,236 Speaker 1: he depicts one of Toby's panicked rants. Toby tells him 87 00:06:14,356 --> 00:06:17,796 Speaker 1: they'll kill us, Bros. We fuck up and they'll kill us. 88 00:06:17,796 --> 00:06:21,476 Speaker 1: You understand, no one will even find the bodies, Just 89 00:06:21,596 --> 00:06:23,876 Speaker 1: shoot us and stuck us in a Vada ascid or 90 00:06:23,916 --> 00:06:26,756 Speaker 1: some shit. You have any idea how fucking dangerous this 91 00:06:26,796 --> 00:06:30,796 Speaker 1: shit is? Ned nodded, but Toby grabbed him by the arm, 92 00:06:30,956 --> 00:06:33,836 Speaker 1: leaned in close, close enough he could smell the ether, 93 00:06:34,076 --> 00:06:37,916 Speaker 1: the cigarettes, and the bo do you bros, you fucking 94 00:06:37,996 --> 00:06:41,116 Speaker 1: butter because it's me and you out there dangling right 95 00:06:41,156 --> 00:06:47,276 Speaker 1: over the goddamn edge. The dialogue may sound a bit stilted, 96 00:06:47,356 --> 00:06:50,876 Speaker 1: but Ned insists the essence is accurate, and that in 97 00:06:50,916 --> 00:06:54,996 Speaker 1: a way, the distrust was mutual. Ned was keenly aware 98 00:06:55,036 --> 00:06:59,556 Speaker 1: of how dangerous, how precarious their relationship was becoming. You 99 00:06:59,596 --> 00:07:02,476 Speaker 1: don't just go out in an hour and do something 100 00:07:02,516 --> 00:07:05,636 Speaker 1: and get a fugitive or whatever. We work for days. 101 00:07:05,716 --> 00:07:08,676 Speaker 1: Sometimes we're staying at hotels, we're traveling, we're flying together, 102 00:07:08,716 --> 00:07:12,516 Speaker 1: we're dry together. You know, if you don't trust that guy, 103 00:07:14,716 --> 00:07:18,916 Speaker 1: you get a problem. Because my neck is at risk 104 00:07:18,996 --> 00:07:21,036 Speaker 1: and his neck is at risk, and both of us 105 00:07:21,036 --> 00:07:25,036 Speaker 1: are at risk. So I better trust him and he'd 106 00:07:25,036 --> 00:07:28,236 Speaker 1: better trust me. For the stuff we were doing. Despite 107 00:07:28,276 --> 00:07:31,676 Speaker 1: the risks, Ned was increasingly comfortable in his new habitat 108 00:07:32,116 --> 00:07:35,556 Speaker 1: not just that he kind of liked it, liked being ed. 109 00:07:35,676 --> 00:07:40,236 Speaker 1: Thomas liked riding as Harley, staying out late in the bars, 110 00:07:40,636 --> 00:07:44,236 Speaker 1: gathering intel. I must though, because I was doing it. 111 00:07:44,476 --> 00:07:47,276 Speaker 1: There's a lot of adrenal into it. You're out there 112 00:07:47,516 --> 00:07:50,276 Speaker 1: on the edge, you know, hanging on to the edge 113 00:07:50,316 --> 00:07:56,596 Speaker 1: of the cliff with your fingernails all the time. No 114 00:07:56,676 --> 00:07:59,196 Speaker 1: one at the office was exactly telling Ned to go 115 00:07:59,236 --> 00:08:02,236 Speaker 1: to these lengths, but he felt that he needed to 116 00:08:02,236 --> 00:08:04,796 Speaker 1: be on duty all the time to do his job right. 117 00:08:05,356 --> 00:08:08,356 Speaker 1: You know, we did a zillion other drug deals, so 118 00:08:08,396 --> 00:08:11,236 Speaker 1: we always had something going on? What does this due 119 00:08:11,236 --> 00:08:15,196 Speaker 1: to your home life? Just trays it. You live it. 120 00:08:15,276 --> 00:08:18,436 Speaker 1: You live at twenty four to seven, your eyes waiting 121 00:08:18,476 --> 00:08:20,956 Speaker 1: for the next call, whether they wreck a car, steal 122 00:08:20,956 --> 00:08:26,316 Speaker 1: a car, break into a house, shoot somebody, stab somebody. 123 00:08:26,436 --> 00:08:31,356 Speaker 1: It's it's analysts. It's like taking care of juvenile delinquents 124 00:08:31,396 --> 00:08:37,636 Speaker 1: that are adult killers. Back home, Ned's wife Kathy was 125 00:08:37,676 --> 00:08:42,396 Speaker 1: discovering that her husband's alter ego was taking over ed 126 00:08:42,476 --> 00:08:46,756 Speaker 1: Thomas now needed his own room. We had three bedrooms. 127 00:08:47,716 --> 00:08:50,316 Speaker 1: One was more like a guest room, and I think 128 00:08:50,356 --> 00:08:52,156 Speaker 1: we had a desk in there and stuff like that. 129 00:08:52,356 --> 00:08:54,676 Speaker 1: I recall that he said, Hey, yeah, they're going to 130 00:08:54,756 --> 00:08:57,396 Speaker 1: put in an undercover phone here at the house. You know, 131 00:08:57,396 --> 00:09:00,116 Speaker 1: so if it rings, you know, you're I'm gonna you know, 132 00:09:00,436 --> 00:09:02,956 Speaker 1: here's your name, and just you know, answer it and 133 00:09:03,036 --> 00:09:05,116 Speaker 1: be cool, you know, act like you're my girlfriend. I go, 134 00:09:05,156 --> 00:09:06,836 Speaker 1: why do I have to act like me your girlfriend? 135 00:09:06,916 --> 00:09:10,716 Speaker 1: Why can't I just be your wife? Kathy was an 136 00:09:10,716 --> 00:09:14,076 Speaker 1: FBI agent in Detroit too, and she'd also gone undercover 137 00:09:14,796 --> 00:09:19,036 Speaker 1: just once. I did one undercover thing one time, and 138 00:09:19,076 --> 00:09:21,036 Speaker 1: I was not at all comfortable with it. I felt 139 00:09:21,036 --> 00:09:22,756 Speaker 1: like everybody can look at me and see that I'm 140 00:09:22,756 --> 00:09:25,236 Speaker 1: a cop. Kathy had spent the night at a gambling 141 00:09:25,316 --> 00:09:28,036 Speaker 1: joint run by the mob, getting to know the criminals. 142 00:09:28,396 --> 00:09:31,796 Speaker 1: Then the cops busted in. Everyone hands up against the wall. 143 00:09:32,196 --> 00:09:34,596 Speaker 1: Then they told Kathy you're good, you can put your 144 00:09:34,636 --> 00:09:38,116 Speaker 1: hands down now. But I was I just was like, no, 145 00:09:38,196 --> 00:09:40,916 Speaker 1: I don't. I'm so embarrassed now in front of these 146 00:09:40,956 --> 00:09:42,956 Speaker 1: people who have been so nice to me all night, 147 00:09:43,196 --> 00:09:45,076 Speaker 1: and I just found it out of there. I was 148 00:09:45,116 --> 00:09:46,996 Speaker 1: just like, yeah, don't ever make me do something like 149 00:09:47,036 --> 00:09:49,676 Speaker 1: that again. That's not me. I'm not comfortable in that situation. 150 00:09:49,836 --> 00:09:52,476 Speaker 1: I feel like a big fat liar is written like 151 00:09:52,676 --> 00:09:55,956 Speaker 1: all across my forehead. Her husband, Ned, he didn't seem 152 00:09:55,996 --> 00:09:58,916 Speaker 1: to have that problem. He seemed comfortable with the pressure 153 00:09:59,116 --> 00:10:02,996 Speaker 1: and the deception. Or maybe he was more than that. 154 00:10:03,716 --> 00:10:08,716 Speaker 1: I think Ned always was what one of his supervisors 155 00:10:09,156 --> 00:10:13,116 Speaker 1: gcribed Neda as an edge worker. Ned was always right 156 00:10:13,116 --> 00:10:18,276 Speaker 1: at the edge of going off to the criminal side. 157 00:10:19,716 --> 00:10:23,556 Speaker 1: And then one day he did the unthinkable. He brought 158 00:10:23,556 --> 00:10:27,356 Speaker 1: the criminals home with him to his leafy, upscale suburban house. 159 00:10:27,556 --> 00:10:30,236 Speaker 1: Just shows up with Toby and one of his sidekicks. 160 00:10:30,436 --> 00:10:35,116 Speaker 1: They all just sauntered up the driveway together. Well, they 161 00:10:35,236 --> 00:10:43,476 Speaker 1: looked just like motorcycle guys. The hair, the the you know, 162 00:10:43,516 --> 00:10:46,156 Speaker 1: instead of having a belt having belts that are like 163 00:10:46,436 --> 00:10:50,996 Speaker 1: chains or whatever. Their jeans are not like fashionable. Their 164 00:10:51,076 --> 00:10:55,596 Speaker 1: jeans are just you know, beat up jeans, and and 165 00:10:56,036 --> 00:10:59,236 Speaker 1: you know they've got flu Manchu mustaches and long hair. 166 00:11:00,356 --> 00:11:04,836 Speaker 1: They're not trying to give an appearance of like good looking. 167 00:11:05,796 --> 00:11:09,676 Speaker 1: I thought, oh my god, what will my name think. 168 00:11:09,716 --> 00:11:13,556 Speaker 1: I hope they didn't see them come in because they 169 00:11:13,636 --> 00:11:19,996 Speaker 1: look like really rough characters. And my neighbors belonged to 170 00:11:20,236 --> 00:11:26,876 Speaker 1: Oakland Hills Country Club. No one and I truly mean 171 00:11:27,036 --> 00:11:30,116 Speaker 1: no one here would ever mistake Toby or any of 172 00:11:30,116 --> 00:11:36,996 Speaker 1: his buddies for golfers. This was like the ultimate intrusion 173 00:11:37,036 --> 00:11:41,916 Speaker 1: into my life, into our life. It just is unheard of, 174 00:11:42,156 --> 00:11:46,836 Speaker 1: you know, it just was. It was not appropriate, and 175 00:11:46,956 --> 00:11:50,756 Speaker 1: it was it was I felt it was dangerous. People 176 00:11:50,796 --> 00:11:54,716 Speaker 1: could could have you know, followed them or seen them, 177 00:11:54,836 --> 00:11:57,916 Speaker 1: or you know, now they know where we live. Okay, 178 00:11:57,956 --> 00:12:02,076 Speaker 1: so that's Kathy the homemaker worrying. But here's Kathy the 179 00:12:02,196 --> 00:12:06,116 Speaker 1: FBI agent, and she's also worried. I had a lot 180 00:12:06,156 --> 00:12:10,116 Speaker 1: of my own informants, and they would never have come 181 00:12:10,156 --> 00:12:13,116 Speaker 1: to my home or I never even would have like 182 00:12:13,396 --> 00:12:17,516 Speaker 1: lunch with them or something. I mean, I'm an FBI agent, 183 00:12:17,956 --> 00:12:20,236 Speaker 1: I'm a law enforcement person. Why would they even want 184 00:12:20,276 --> 00:12:22,836 Speaker 1: to sit down any place and be seen with me. 185 00:12:23,516 --> 00:12:29,276 Speaker 1: You've just compromised that confidential relationship. I spoke to a 186 00:12:29,356 --> 00:12:32,556 Speaker 1: number of Ned's former colleagues, and they pretty much all 187 00:12:32,596 --> 00:12:36,356 Speaker 1: agreed with Kathy. No one brought an informant home with them. 188 00:12:36,396 --> 00:12:39,996 Speaker 1: It was too risky. Oddly enough, the one person I 189 00:12:40,076 --> 00:12:43,116 Speaker 1: spoke with from Ned's FBI days who had also done 190 00:12:43,116 --> 00:12:46,796 Speaker 1: this was his direct supervisor. He told me that he 191 00:12:46,836 --> 00:12:50,476 Speaker 1: and Ned were quote unquote rebels. For his part, Ned 192 00:12:50,516 --> 00:12:53,676 Speaker 1: defends himself, saying it was a judgment call, the decision 193 00:12:53,716 --> 00:12:57,076 Speaker 1: to bring Toby home. It was calculated. Well, it depends 194 00:12:57,116 --> 00:13:00,436 Speaker 1: on how much trust you having your sources, and that 195 00:13:00,516 --> 00:13:04,076 Speaker 1: also builds trusts with the sources, the sources that can 196 00:13:04,076 --> 00:13:07,196 Speaker 1: get you killed any second. Well, I'm curious, did you 197 00:13:07,236 --> 00:13:10,436 Speaker 1: do it just out of kind of professional relationship building 198 00:13:10,516 --> 00:13:13,196 Speaker 1: or did you do it because these were your friends 199 00:13:13,196 --> 00:13:17,636 Speaker 1: and this was your wife. I think to build a 200 00:13:17,636 --> 00:13:20,996 Speaker 1: bond with the sources you depend on those guys not 201 00:13:21,036 --> 00:13:23,156 Speaker 1: to stand up and say, hey, he's a fucking FBI 202 00:13:23,236 --> 00:13:28,836 Speaker 1: agent and you have to build this bond. So whatever 203 00:13:28,876 --> 00:13:31,916 Speaker 1: I was doing seemed to work. I wouldn't recommend it 204 00:13:31,956 --> 00:13:34,516 Speaker 1: to anybody. I can't teach it. I can't say that's 205 00:13:34,516 --> 00:13:39,036 Speaker 1: what to do. But that's what I did. Kathy she 206 00:13:39,116 --> 00:13:42,876 Speaker 1: didn't like it, but she didn't confront Ned or overrule him. 207 00:13:43,436 --> 00:13:48,556 Speaker 1: And Ned never really asked for permission either. Oh no, no, no, no, 208 00:13:48,596 --> 00:13:51,076 Speaker 1: you know no. See, Ned never checked in with me 209 00:13:51,196 --> 00:13:55,756 Speaker 1: first on anything. Our marriage was more like, hey, look, 210 00:13:56,676 --> 00:13:58,836 Speaker 1: we're going to move to a new house. Come here, 211 00:13:58,876 --> 00:14:01,036 Speaker 1: I'll take you and you will look at it. My 212 00:14:01,116 --> 00:14:05,876 Speaker 1: marriage was more traditional in that regard that, you know, 213 00:14:05,956 --> 00:14:08,596 Speaker 1: he said what we were going to do back then. 214 00:14:09,156 --> 00:14:11,036 Speaker 1: I'm going to blame this on the times a lot, 215 00:14:11,076 --> 00:14:14,156 Speaker 1: but probably also the way I was raised. It just 216 00:14:14,236 --> 00:14:18,276 Speaker 1: did not occur to me to object to my husband. 217 00:14:18,716 --> 00:14:22,076 Speaker 1: He has this, he's got this, It'll be fine. But 218 00:14:22,196 --> 00:14:25,476 Speaker 1: this wasn't a one off occasion. Ned brought Toby home 219 00:14:25,516 --> 00:14:29,156 Speaker 1: with him multiple times. Kathy remembers them all hanging out 220 00:14:29,516 --> 00:14:34,876 Speaker 1: on the backdeck Cookenburger's Super Casual. It was kind of 221 00:14:34,916 --> 00:14:38,196 Speaker 1: the opposite of the whole undercover stick, you know, like 222 00:14:38,356 --> 00:14:42,076 Speaker 1: in Donnie Brasco, where the FBI agent has two completely 223 00:14:42,116 --> 00:14:44,956 Speaker 1: separate lives, one as a gangster and one is a 224 00:14:44,956 --> 00:14:49,636 Speaker 1: suburban dad with a teflon firewall separating them. It was 225 00:14:49,676 --> 00:14:54,476 Speaker 1: almost as if Ned Timmins and Ed Thomas were morphing 226 00:14:54,876 --> 00:14:58,796 Speaker 1: into a single being. Perhaps this was inevitable given Ned's 227 00:14:58,796 --> 00:15:02,836 Speaker 1: strategy of building trust, but this isn't how Kathy sees it. 228 00:15:03,636 --> 00:15:05,596 Speaker 1: You know, you don't have to choose that path. You 229 00:15:05,596 --> 00:15:09,196 Speaker 1: don't have to choose to work a case in that way, 230 00:15:09,356 --> 00:15:12,436 Speaker 1: you don't have to choose to go deep cover. You know, 231 00:15:12,916 --> 00:15:16,876 Speaker 1: it all evolves. And but I know for him, he 232 00:15:17,036 --> 00:15:21,196 Speaker 1: felt like it was just spinning into the next, into 233 00:15:21,276 --> 00:15:24,076 Speaker 1: the next, into the next, And he told me that 234 00:15:24,116 --> 00:15:26,356 Speaker 1: he felt like he didn't know how he was ever 235 00:15:26,396 --> 00:15:29,076 Speaker 1: going to get out of it. In the midst of 236 00:15:29,116 --> 00:15:32,956 Speaker 1: all of this, Ned's game plan paid off big time 237 00:15:33,476 --> 00:15:35,636 Speaker 1: when he gets the break you've been waiting for, and 238 00:15:35,716 --> 00:15:40,476 Speaker 1: it involved, of all people, Toby's little brother, a guy 239 00:15:40,516 --> 00:15:55,676 Speaker 1: who went by the nickname Shine. One day Ned got 240 00:15:55,676 --> 00:15:58,876 Speaker 1: would seem like a big lead from Toby, though on 241 00:15:58,956 --> 00:16:03,156 Speaker 1: its face it seemed a bit far fetched Toby says, Hey, 242 00:16:03,196 --> 00:16:07,396 Speaker 1: I gotta tell my brother is into something really big, 243 00:16:09,236 --> 00:16:11,716 Speaker 1: but he won't let us near it because he's afraid. Now, Robert, 244 00:16:13,196 --> 00:16:15,156 Speaker 1: so what is it? He says. It has to do 245 00:16:15,276 --> 00:16:18,876 Speaker 1: with airplanes and boats and chapter trailer loads of dope 246 00:16:18,916 --> 00:16:22,516 Speaker 1: coming to Detroit. And Toby knew he was into something big. 247 00:16:23,396 --> 00:16:27,916 Speaker 1: Ned didn't know exactly what to make of this. Planes, boats, 248 00:16:28,476 --> 00:16:32,596 Speaker 1: tractor trailers all filled with weed. Was it possible that 249 00:16:32,676 --> 00:16:36,316 Speaker 1: Toby the Walking hand Grenade really had a brother who 250 00:16:36,436 --> 00:16:40,356 Speaker 1: was a big time criminal orchestrating all of this? If 251 00:16:40,356 --> 00:16:42,876 Speaker 1: this was true, how had Ned not picked up on 252 00:16:42,916 --> 00:16:51,836 Speaker 1: this sooner. Toby's brother went by the name Shine. His 253 00:16:51,956 --> 00:16:55,636 Speaker 1: real name was Clinton Anderson. He died in the late nineties, 254 00:16:55,676 --> 00:16:58,036 Speaker 1: so I had to kind of piece together a picture 255 00:16:58,116 --> 00:17:01,316 Speaker 1: of who he was. I don't have the background as 256 00:17:01,316 --> 00:17:06,116 Speaker 1: to why they called him Shine. About my uncle Clint. 257 00:17:05,956 --> 00:17:10,996 Speaker 1: In my memories of him, he was a ted. This 258 00:17:11,076 --> 00:17:14,836 Speaker 1: is Jesse Anderson, Toby's son. Shine was his uncle, and 259 00:17:14,956 --> 00:17:18,716 Speaker 1: Jesse loved his uncle, adored him. I talked to a 260 00:17:18,756 --> 00:17:21,676 Speaker 1: bunch of people who knew Shine well, and they all 261 00:17:21,796 --> 00:17:25,396 Speaker 1: described him pretty much as this big, lovable guy. One 262 00:17:25,436 --> 00:17:28,076 Speaker 1: person said he would have made a perfect Santa Clause. 263 00:17:28,596 --> 00:17:31,476 Speaker 1: Another said he looked like Wilfred Grimley, you know, the 264 00:17:31,596 --> 00:17:34,836 Speaker 1: grandfather of the actor who started all the Quaker Oats commercials. 265 00:17:35,716 --> 00:17:38,596 Speaker 1: When things got rough at home for Jesse, he actually 266 00:17:38,636 --> 00:17:40,836 Speaker 1: went to live with his uncle Clint for a while. 267 00:17:41,236 --> 00:17:45,036 Speaker 1: He loved being there. Geez, just like anywhere else, right, 268 00:17:45,236 --> 00:17:48,356 Speaker 1: kids running around playing football in the front yard, you know, 269 00:17:49,236 --> 00:17:54,556 Speaker 1: watching football, watching baseball, you know, life in the seventies 270 00:17:54,556 --> 00:17:58,756 Speaker 1: and early eighties, gambling, playing dart, shooting pool, you know, 271 00:17:58,956 --> 00:18:01,756 Speaker 1: normal way of life. Little Jesse had never seen a 272 00:18:01,836 --> 00:18:04,756 Speaker 1: dad who could be depended on before. I guess I 273 00:18:04,796 --> 00:18:06,996 Speaker 1: wanted that for my dad. And that's that's what I 274 00:18:07,036 --> 00:18:09,876 Speaker 1: always appreciated about my uncle Clint was you know, he 275 00:18:10,396 --> 00:18:14,156 Speaker 1: was I recall him always being there, and I recall 276 00:18:14,276 --> 00:18:18,516 Speaker 1: him always um, you know, never having to worry m 277 00:18:18,636 --> 00:18:21,316 Speaker 1: like I did with my dad and my immediate you know, 278 00:18:21,676 --> 00:18:24,356 Speaker 1: a line of sight and what I recall. And maybe 279 00:18:24,396 --> 00:18:26,556 Speaker 1: I was blinded by that because I was just so 280 00:18:26,596 --> 00:18:28,476 Speaker 1: happy to be with my you know, have a family, 281 00:18:28,556 --> 00:18:31,596 Speaker 1: have a bad wake up, go to school, not necessarily 282 00:18:31,596 --> 00:18:33,756 Speaker 1: have to worry about anything, right. It was. It was great. 283 00:18:34,556 --> 00:18:36,756 Speaker 1: Jesse says the men and his family tended to be 284 00:18:36,836 --> 00:18:40,076 Speaker 1: hard and have a short fuse. But I don't remember 285 00:18:40,116 --> 00:18:42,516 Speaker 1: my uncle Clinton like that at all. I mean, again, 286 00:18:42,596 --> 00:18:45,556 Speaker 1: for me, you know the way that I look at 287 00:18:45,556 --> 00:18:48,396 Speaker 1: my uncle Clint was it was much like it was 288 00:18:48,476 --> 00:18:54,076 Speaker 1: much like a savior. Shine had a son named Adam. 289 00:18:54,116 --> 00:18:57,196 Speaker 1: He was Jesse's older cousin. It took me a long 290 00:18:57,316 --> 00:19:00,596 Speaker 1: time to track him down. One night he finally agreed 291 00:19:00,596 --> 00:19:04,716 Speaker 1: to speak by phone. All right, Jake, give me a 292 00:19:04,756 --> 00:19:07,396 Speaker 1: second here. He says that Shine was a jack of 293 00:19:07,436 --> 00:19:11,116 Speaker 1: all trades, a salesman and sold cars and boats too. 294 00:19:11,516 --> 00:19:16,876 Speaker 1: Though Shin didn't talk about his work a ton, you know, 295 00:19:17,116 --> 00:19:22,156 Speaker 1: his work and his family's subarate. He was a good guy, 296 00:19:22,636 --> 00:19:27,916 Speaker 1: but he had an edge. Shine was a striver. He 297 00:19:27,996 --> 00:19:31,196 Speaker 1: was always looking for something beyond the working class suburb 298 00:19:31,236 --> 00:19:34,676 Speaker 1: where they started out, a place called Melvindale, a town 299 00:19:34,796 --> 00:19:39,396 Speaker 1: dominated by the nearby Ford, GM and Chrysler plants. Melvindale 300 00:19:40,436 --> 00:19:44,196 Speaker 1: was I fall it a factory town. Pretty much everybody 301 00:19:44,236 --> 00:19:47,596 Speaker 1: there worked and worked for the Big three and was 302 00:19:47,756 --> 00:19:51,356 Speaker 1: working class, good people. But he was kind of like 303 00:19:52,076 --> 00:19:54,316 Speaker 1: taking me out of that environment, showing me that there 304 00:19:54,396 --> 00:19:58,356 Speaker 1: was more like you know, you can't achieve more. No, no, 305 00:19:58,476 --> 00:20:00,196 Speaker 1: you don't have to just be a line worker all 306 00:20:00,236 --> 00:20:03,236 Speaker 1: your life. Adam had a lot of memories from that time, 307 00:20:03,516 --> 00:20:05,636 Speaker 1: like when his dad came home with a new gadget, 308 00:20:05,836 --> 00:20:10,436 Speaker 1: a mysterious briefcase filled with meters and electrical wires. The 309 00:20:10,516 --> 00:20:13,956 Speaker 1: device was known as a p SE, which stood for 310 00:20:14,236 --> 00:20:20,316 Speaker 1: Psychological Stress evaluator. It was an alternative to the traditional 311 00:20:20,396 --> 00:20:23,516 Speaker 1: lie detector, and it could be used discreetly, so it 312 00:20:23,516 --> 00:20:27,876 Speaker 1: didn't require hooking the subject up to any wires or anything. Supposedly, 313 00:20:27,996 --> 00:20:30,596 Speaker 1: a skilled operator could use it to pick up on 314 00:20:30,916 --> 00:20:34,636 Speaker 1: micro tremors in your voice. I spoke to a lot 315 00:20:34,636 --> 00:20:38,676 Speaker 1: of people who knew Shine and remembered vividly him showing 316 00:20:38,756 --> 00:20:44,956 Speaker 1: up with his briefcase and testing them. Oh yes, everybody 317 00:20:44,996 --> 00:20:49,596 Speaker 1: took a test. Everybody. There was a guy that always 318 00:20:49,596 --> 00:20:53,436 Speaker 1: carried around this sort of big boxy briefcase. As I recall, 319 00:20:53,436 --> 00:20:55,356 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, he could scarely on it. Sure he was 320 00:20:55,396 --> 00:20:57,636 Speaker 1: a good bullshitter, you know it all a little nervous 321 00:20:57,636 --> 00:21:01,076 Speaker 1: spot taking this Dagone thing he asked your questions. I 322 00:21:01,156 --> 00:21:04,036 Speaker 1: guess it works. Ask you what your name is and 323 00:21:04,156 --> 00:21:06,796 Speaker 1: you tell him. Then you tell him a lie and 324 00:21:06,876 --> 00:21:10,916 Speaker 1: so it gives him was a distinction of between the 325 00:21:11,036 --> 00:21:14,596 Speaker 1: truth and lie, whether it works or now, I'd scare 326 00:21:14,676 --> 00:21:16,796 Speaker 1: the shit out of you. So I imagine it would 327 00:21:16,876 --> 00:21:19,196 Speaker 1: keep people straight. And I'm sure he was one of 328 00:21:19,196 --> 00:21:27,676 Speaker 1: the most valuable tools they had, you know, in doing US. 329 00:21:27,716 --> 00:21:30,916 Speaker 1: Shine had graduated from a special course and now he 330 00:21:31,036 --> 00:21:36,036 Speaker 1: was a trained PSC operator. He took it seriously, and Adam, 331 00:21:36,236 --> 00:21:39,196 Speaker 1: like any kid, was curious. So there was something different. 332 00:21:39,276 --> 00:21:42,076 Speaker 1: It was interesting. I didn't know why he's doing it 333 00:21:42,116 --> 00:21:44,916 Speaker 1: on cool. Dad got a new job, you know, and 334 00:21:45,036 --> 00:21:48,236 Speaker 1: the job came with perks like this. One time his 335 00:21:48,356 --> 00:21:50,916 Speaker 1: dad took him on a business trip. They flew down 336 00:21:50,956 --> 00:21:54,076 Speaker 1: to Houston, Texas. Together. They stayed at this cool hotel 337 00:21:54,396 --> 00:21:57,316 Speaker 1: that was connected to a big shopping mall, and at 338 00:21:57,356 --> 00:22:00,396 Speaker 1: some point Shine tells his son, He's like, hey, I 339 00:22:00,476 --> 00:22:03,916 Speaker 1: gotta go out for a little while, you know, don't 340 00:22:04,316 --> 00:22:07,156 Speaker 1: don't leave the room, don't answer the door. Alone in 341 00:22:07,236 --> 00:22:11,196 Speaker 1: his hotel room, Adam watched TV. Minutes turned to hours, 342 00:22:11,396 --> 00:22:13,556 Speaker 1: and he began to think about what his dad had said. 343 00:22:14,236 --> 00:22:18,396 Speaker 1: Don't answer at the door. Why not? Who was it 344 00:22:18,436 --> 00:22:22,636 Speaker 1: that might come knocking. Adam wasn't worried exactly, but he 345 00:22:22,716 --> 00:22:26,476 Speaker 1: began to wonder what was his dad up to. But 346 00:22:26,556 --> 00:22:30,116 Speaker 1: I think maybe whoever he was working with, they had 347 00:22:30,116 --> 00:22:32,756 Speaker 1: another room in the same hotel, so they could have 348 00:22:32,756 --> 00:22:37,036 Speaker 1: been just down the hall. I don't believe he left. 349 00:22:37,076 --> 00:22:39,676 Speaker 1: I think he just grabbed his machine and you know, 350 00:22:40,556 --> 00:22:44,436 Speaker 1: went to another room. Adam didn't ask any questions, and 351 00:22:44,476 --> 00:22:46,476 Speaker 1: he didn't give it too much thought at the time, 352 00:22:46,796 --> 00:22:49,236 Speaker 1: but eventually he started to think back to moments like 353 00:22:49,316 --> 00:22:52,236 Speaker 1: this and wonder maybe what his father did was not 354 00:22:52,436 --> 00:22:54,636 Speaker 1: entirely on the op and up. I mean, who was 355 00:22:54,716 --> 00:22:58,516 Speaker 1: paying him to carry around that briefcase anyway. In fact, 356 00:22:58,596 --> 00:23:01,436 Speaker 1: clues began to surface that Shine was much more than 357 00:23:01,516 --> 00:23:05,516 Speaker 1: just a suburban dad with a mysterious job. One of 358 00:23:05,516 --> 00:23:08,356 Speaker 1: these clues turned up a thousand miles to the South 359 00:23:08,756 --> 00:23:12,876 Speaker 1: Way down in Louisiana and a lonely by you very 360 00:23:12,916 --> 00:23:38,516 Speaker 1: far from Detroit. As Ned continued to investigate the bikers 361 00:23:38,676 --> 00:23:42,876 Speaker 1: in Detroit, detectives in Louisiana, we're looking into a big 362 00:23:42,916 --> 00:23:47,876 Speaker 1: smuggling job. It all began with a guy named Dave Ware. Yeah, 363 00:23:47,916 --> 00:23:51,196 Speaker 1: I was a helicopter pilot on the sign to Louisiana 364 00:23:51,236 --> 00:23:56,156 Speaker 1: State Police in our region too southwest Louisiana. One day, 365 00:23:56,356 --> 00:23:59,076 Speaker 1: Dave gets a tip about an abandoned barge, so he 366 00:23:59,156 --> 00:24:01,796 Speaker 1: goes looking for it. Flies up a lonely stretch of 367 00:24:01,836 --> 00:24:04,796 Speaker 1: a Vermilion River, a seventy mile long by you in 368 00:24:04,876 --> 00:24:10,436 Speaker 1: southern Louisiana. It's flat, You've got agriculture fields and then area. 369 00:24:10,516 --> 00:24:15,756 Speaker 1: It's a heavy marsh and thick jungle type area. So 370 00:24:16,036 --> 00:24:20,156 Speaker 1: they were just choppering along. We looked down and we 371 00:24:20,236 --> 00:24:23,476 Speaker 1: see this huge barge tied off with some rope next 372 00:24:23,476 --> 00:24:27,676 Speaker 1: to some trees. And we're like, well, that's odd. And 373 00:24:27,716 --> 00:24:30,476 Speaker 1: we were kind of scratching our heads what to do. 374 00:24:30,556 --> 00:24:32,476 Speaker 1: And I said, well, I'll just land on the barge. 375 00:24:32,636 --> 00:24:35,916 Speaker 1: I mean, it's like landing on aircraft carrier. So they 376 00:24:35,996 --> 00:24:38,156 Speaker 1: land on the barge, they get out of the chopper, 377 00:24:38,356 --> 00:24:42,356 Speaker 1: they start poking around. Sure enough, they find a sealed 378 00:24:42,396 --> 00:24:46,636 Speaker 1: hatch welded into the deck, hidden beneath some coils of rope. 379 00:24:47,596 --> 00:24:49,796 Speaker 1: And so I went to the cargo hole of my 380 00:24:49,836 --> 00:24:52,596 Speaker 1: aircraft and dug it my little two bag I always carred, 381 00:24:52,596 --> 00:24:56,236 Speaker 1: and got a screwdriver and started digging at this rubber 382 00:24:56,396 --> 00:24:59,116 Speaker 1: ceilant and you gotta menage. The sun was out and 383 00:24:59,196 --> 00:25:03,196 Speaker 1: it was hot. And when I've popped that ceiling, the 384 00:25:03,956 --> 00:25:06,876 Speaker 1: spew just you know, morstar had come up and the 385 00:25:06,876 --> 00:25:09,156 Speaker 1: smell of marijuana. And we looked at each other and 386 00:25:09,356 --> 00:25:14,436 Speaker 1: smile and said bingo. The barge itself was quite large 387 00:25:14,556 --> 00:25:18,396 Speaker 1: and basically empty. All that remained with the dregs some 388 00:25:18,436 --> 00:25:20,676 Speaker 1: psyche bales that had somehow gotten a wet at the 389 00:25:20,676 --> 00:25:23,476 Speaker 1: bottom of the boat. Apparently the rest of the load, 390 00:25:23,836 --> 00:25:27,676 Speaker 1: totally a few hundred thousand pounds, had all been unloaded, 391 00:25:27,676 --> 00:25:34,196 Speaker 1: successfully dry and ready to smoke. A narcotics agent named 392 00:25:34,276 --> 00:25:38,796 Speaker 1: Roy Fruget took up the investigation. So we walked on 393 00:25:38,876 --> 00:25:41,196 Speaker 1: the barge and we saw marijuana sees all over it. 394 00:25:41,276 --> 00:25:44,116 Speaker 1: We looked through some drawers. We found a Panamanian flag, 395 00:25:44,516 --> 00:25:47,596 Speaker 1: we found a Colombian flag. Well, you don't have to 396 00:25:47,636 --> 00:25:50,556 Speaker 1: be Sherlock Holmes to realize that we stumbled up on 397 00:25:50,636 --> 00:25:56,036 Speaker 1: something that was large and scale and that it was international. Eventually, 398 00:25:56,356 --> 00:25:59,596 Speaker 1: the agents figured out that a local marine contractor had 399 00:25:59,636 --> 00:26:02,516 Speaker 1: been hired to move the barge up the river, and 400 00:26:02,596 --> 00:26:05,436 Speaker 1: as luck would have it, the contractors had a receipt 401 00:26:05,876 --> 00:26:09,556 Speaker 1: with the customer's callback number on it, trace the hallback 402 00:26:09,636 --> 00:26:13,796 Speaker 1: number and it went to a small grocery store in 403 00:26:13,916 --> 00:26:18,356 Speaker 1: a rural area in Judice, Louisiana, and the name of 404 00:26:18,356 --> 00:26:22,076 Speaker 1: the store was the Country Boy Grocery Store. So we 405 00:26:22,116 --> 00:26:25,156 Speaker 1: went to the Country Boy Grocery Store, and I'm talking 406 00:26:25,156 --> 00:26:27,476 Speaker 1: about a small building. It had a couple of gas 407 00:26:27,476 --> 00:26:31,076 Speaker 1: pumps in front, had a small meat market inside. They 408 00:26:31,116 --> 00:26:35,316 Speaker 1: specialized in Cajun food like stuffed chickens, buddha and cracklings, 409 00:26:35,356 --> 00:26:37,196 Speaker 1: that sort of thing. So we talked to the owner 410 00:26:37,236 --> 00:26:41,916 Speaker 1: because this guy's first language, which Cajun French, and he said, 411 00:26:42,596 --> 00:26:45,156 Speaker 1: with his accent, he said, you know, in the last 412 00:26:45,156 --> 00:26:48,076 Speaker 1: three months, there's been a lot of foreigners in my store. 413 00:26:49,116 --> 00:26:51,316 Speaker 1: What do you mean by foreigners? He said, you know, 414 00:26:51,676 --> 00:26:54,116 Speaker 1: he said, out of towner's people with blonde hair and 415 00:26:54,196 --> 00:26:58,676 Speaker 1: blue eyes, and ten he said, you know, Florida looking people. 416 00:27:00,156 --> 00:27:04,076 Speaker 1: So turns out these Florida looking people had rented a 417 00:27:04,076 --> 00:27:08,516 Speaker 1: couple of houses nearby. The agents got search warrants. There 418 00:27:08,636 --> 00:27:12,676 Speaker 1: was a three bedroom, two bath ranch style house. It 419 00:27:12,756 --> 00:27:15,916 Speaker 1: was close to the Country Bar grocery store, and when 420 00:27:15,916 --> 00:27:18,636 Speaker 1: we hit it, it had lots and lots of bunk beds, 421 00:27:19,076 --> 00:27:22,596 Speaker 1: lots of beer bottles, lots of cans of beer, some'm 422 00:27:22,716 --> 00:27:26,396 Speaker 1: half empty, half eaten sandwiches on the floor. I remember 423 00:27:26,476 --> 00:27:28,396 Speaker 1: one of my guys said it looked like a scene 424 00:27:28,396 --> 00:27:32,716 Speaker 1: from Animal House. Roy starts poking around in the living 425 00:27:32,756 --> 00:27:35,876 Speaker 1: room and on the coffee table, I saw a large 426 00:27:36,076 --> 00:27:40,236 Speaker 1: red book and a hard bound New York Times World Atlas. 427 00:27:40,556 --> 00:27:44,076 Speaker 1: I opened it up, started looking at it, looking actually 428 00:27:44,076 --> 00:27:46,796 Speaker 1: for the Gulf of Mexico. Saw that there was a 429 00:27:46,916 --> 00:27:52,676 Speaker 1: chart with a pen marking places through the Gulf of Mexico, 430 00:27:52,756 --> 00:27:54,396 Speaker 1: and then I backed it up and it went down 431 00:27:54,396 --> 00:27:59,956 Speaker 1: to barn Kill, Columbia. It was quite literally mapped out 432 00:28:00,036 --> 00:28:03,316 Speaker 1: in front of them, evidence of an international syndicate with 433 00:28:03,556 --> 00:28:06,596 Speaker 1: rats for smoking tons of drugs into the United States. 434 00:28:07,276 --> 00:28:10,876 Speaker 1: But everyone is gone. They don't have a single suspect. 435 00:28:11,796 --> 00:28:15,916 Speaker 1: Roy and his partner, Harvey Duplantis, continued to search the house. 436 00:28:16,636 --> 00:28:19,476 Speaker 1: We found a yellow notepad with lines on it like 437 00:28:19,556 --> 00:28:23,436 Speaker 1: you would use in school, and it didn't have any 438 00:28:23,556 --> 00:28:26,436 Speaker 1: writing on it, but it had indentations where somebody had 439 00:28:26,436 --> 00:28:28,636 Speaker 1: written on the page above it and then tore the 440 00:28:28,636 --> 00:28:32,316 Speaker 1: page off. Harvey remembered from grade school. He took a 441 00:28:32,436 --> 00:28:35,476 Speaker 1: number two pencil out of his truck and he scratched 442 00:28:35,516 --> 00:28:38,516 Speaker 1: over the indentations and we found a note. Of course, 443 00:28:38,556 --> 00:28:40,476 Speaker 1: we didn't have the whole note, just whatever came up 444 00:28:40,516 --> 00:28:43,756 Speaker 1: that Harvey could scribble out there, but it basically said 445 00:28:43,836 --> 00:28:46,236 Speaker 1: he was bringing more people. More people were on the way. 446 00:28:47,876 --> 00:28:51,236 Speaker 1: Harvey kneels over the table, carefully rubbing a pencil over 447 00:28:51,276 --> 00:28:55,516 Speaker 1: the pad, deciphering this cryptic note word by word, the 448 00:28:55,596 --> 00:28:58,756 Speaker 1: whole thing right out of a Hitchcock movie. This is 449 00:28:58,796 --> 00:29:02,476 Speaker 1: exactly what carry Grant does in north By Northwest, and 450 00:29:03,236 --> 00:29:06,636 Speaker 1: it works. At the bottom of the pad, there's actually 451 00:29:06,676 --> 00:29:10,916 Speaker 1: a signature. Someone wrote their name as if authorizing these orders, 452 00:29:11,276 --> 00:29:16,236 Speaker 1: and slowly the letters of the name appear S H, 453 00:29:16,476 --> 00:29:29,836 Speaker 1: I and E. Shine. Back in Detroit, Ned had no 454 00:29:29,916 --> 00:29:33,076 Speaker 1: idea what had gone down in Louisiana. He was back 455 00:29:33,116 --> 00:29:35,316 Speaker 1: at the office doing a bit of good old fashioned 456 00:29:35,356 --> 00:29:38,476 Speaker 1: detective work, following up on that tip that Toby had 457 00:29:38,516 --> 00:29:41,756 Speaker 1: given him about his brother, and the deeper Ned dug 458 00:29:41,836 --> 00:29:45,636 Speaker 1: into Shine's life, the more he found. We're looking at 459 00:29:45,676 --> 00:29:48,236 Speaker 1: what he has, a house and cars and everything, and 460 00:29:48,436 --> 00:29:52,036 Speaker 1: no source of income. And then we're pulling phone records, 461 00:29:52,076 --> 00:29:56,516 Speaker 1: bank records and everything, and huge deposits of fifty to 462 00:29:56,596 --> 00:30:01,076 Speaker 1: sixty thousand at a time, and we're getting travel records 463 00:30:01,116 --> 00:30:06,316 Speaker 1: from credit cards, and Ned says that those travel records 464 00:30:06,516 --> 00:30:09,916 Speaker 1: were suspicious. For instance, Shine its spend some time down 465 00:30:09,916 --> 00:30:12,436 Speaker 1: in the Cayman Islands, which was known as a money 466 00:30:12,476 --> 00:30:17,196 Speaker 1: laundering hub. So might Shine be his guy, the one 467 00:30:17,276 --> 00:30:19,836 Speaker 1: Ned had been looking for the key to it all. 468 00:30:20,356 --> 00:30:22,596 Speaker 1: If Ned was right, he had found his link to 469 00:30:22,636 --> 00:30:26,556 Speaker 1: a distant, shadowy drug network, But it didn't seem like 470 00:30:26,596 --> 00:30:29,796 Speaker 1: he had quite enough to go on. Ned believed if 471 00:30:29,796 --> 00:30:33,476 Speaker 1: he could just sit down with Shine, talk to him, 472 00:30:33,836 --> 00:30:36,636 Speaker 1: man to man, he might be able to work him, 473 00:30:36,636 --> 00:30:39,996 Speaker 1: maybe even flip him. He was starting to strategize, even 474 00:30:39,996 --> 00:30:42,996 Speaker 1: though he didn't have much to threaten Shine with except 475 00:30:43,356 --> 00:30:47,036 Speaker 1: maybe his badge. It sounds like you were doing some 476 00:30:47,516 --> 00:30:50,476 Speaker 1: serious bullshitting of your own. And also you could be 477 00:30:50,476 --> 00:30:52,796 Speaker 1: barking up the wrong tree. You don't know for sure 478 00:30:52,956 --> 00:30:56,116 Speaker 1: the magnitude or the right part of the game. Yeah, 479 00:30:56,196 --> 00:30:58,596 Speaker 1: the FBI knows a lot, but a lot of it 480 00:30:58,676 --> 00:31:03,196 Speaker 1: is a game to try to ferret out the information 481 00:31:03,236 --> 00:31:08,156 Speaker 1: you need. When you throw down the FBI badge and credentials, 482 00:31:10,116 --> 00:31:16,156 Speaker 1: it horrifies guilty people. They think the FBI knows everything. 483 00:31:31,796 --> 00:31:35,636 Speaker 1: Next time, a deep Cover, Ned goes to flip Shine. 484 00:31:36,916 --> 00:31:40,276 Speaker 1: Shine had a family, and it was really a devoted 485 00:31:40,316 --> 00:31:42,796 Speaker 1: family guy. You know, I just I'm gonna take every 486 00:31:42,796 --> 00:31:45,276 Speaker 1: penny they got. I'm gonna take the house, I'm gonna 487 00:31:45,276 --> 00:31:48,356 Speaker 1: take the cars, I'm gonna take the bank accounts. Everything's 488 00:31:48,396 --> 00:32:10,876 Speaker 1: gonna be gone. And that struck a dagger in them. 489 00:32:11,036 --> 00:32:14,196 Speaker 1: Deep Cover is produced by Jacob Smith and edited by 490 00:32:14,276 --> 00:32:18,996 Speaker 1: Karen Shakerji. Our story editor is Jack Hitt. Original music 491 00:32:19,076 --> 00:32:22,236 Speaker 1: and our theme was composed by Luis Gara and Flawn 492 00:32:22,276 --> 00:32:26,556 Speaker 1: Williams is our engineer. Fact checking by Amy Gaines. Mia 493 00:32:26,636 --> 00:32:30,996 Speaker 1: Lobell is Pushkin's executive producer. Ned's novel is read by 494 00:32:30,996 --> 00:32:35,916 Speaker 1: Walton Goggins. Special thanks to Julia Barton, Heather Faine, Carly 495 00:32:36,036 --> 00:32:42,596 Speaker 1: Mcgliori Lee, Tom Mullad Mayakining, Eric Sandler, Maggie Taylor, Kadija Holland, 496 00:32:42,876 --> 00:32:47,516 Speaker 1: Zoe Gwenn and Jacob Weisberg at Pushkin Industries. Special thanks 497 00:32:47,556 --> 00:32:51,836 Speaker 1: also to Jeff Singer at Stowaway Entertainment. I'm Jake Albern