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Speaker 4: Podcast John Annik and Kenny Floria.

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Speaker 5: I fucking love him.

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Speaker 3: I can't get enough of him.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, there are a couple of absolutely bullshit.

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Speaker 7: Here're your hosts, John Annik and Kenny Florian.

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Speaker 8: I was watching some film getting ready for Saturday September fifth,

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Speaker 8: UFC Fight Night, and keep coming across Kenflow on that

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Speaker 8: UFC commentary. It makes me feel so goddamn good every time.

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Speaker 8: It's Monday, August thirty first, twenty twenty. It's episode two

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Speaker 8: sixty five of the Anak and Florian Podcast. We have

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Speaker 8: not rebranded the show just yet, but I think AFL is.

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Speaker 3: Coming and that would be.

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Speaker 6: Wow.

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Speaker 3: So Ray Long goes with us off the top today.

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Speaker 8: All that is is us listening to the goddamn audience

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Speaker 8: that wants you off the top of the show and

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Speaker 8: through most of the show. So to the listeners and

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Speaker 8: viewers out there, here you fucking go. Here's Ray Longo

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Speaker 8: on a play here.

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Speaker 6: Hey listen, we have to be good to the people

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Speaker 6: that support us.

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Speaker 9: Hey, right, I mean, once again, I want to thank

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Speaker 9: everybody for the love on Twitter, Instagram.

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Speaker 6: It's it's it's a beautiful thing.

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Speaker 8: I mean, ken flow, you know. I mean, there's a

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Speaker 8: lot to like about the nic Im Florian podcast. We

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Speaker 8: think humbly, but Ray long Ago leads the league. Still

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Speaker 8: no haircut, so that's obviously good news as well.

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Speaker 10: Right, I think that I think that has something to

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Speaker 10: do with it. You know, Ray was always popular, but

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Speaker 10: I think his hair took it to that next level,

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Speaker 10: the long hair.

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Speaker 11: Don't care.

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Speaker 6: I think we're on to something.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, it is just after six pm Eastern. I believe

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Speaker 8: Ray is using a microphone that we sent him.

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Speaker 3: Is that right?

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Speaker 2: You?

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Speaker 6: Onday doesn't sound any better?

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Speaker 3: You sound great.

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Speaker 6: I feel like such a professional today. I can't even

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Speaker 6: express my joy and happiness. Yeah, well, I hope it

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Speaker 6: comes through on the podcast.

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Speaker 8: We thank our producer Cody Merrow for getting you all

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Speaker 8: squared away. I'm so focused on the aesthetic that admittedly

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Speaker 8: even an audio file like me, is not totally focused

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Speaker 8: on your sound because you look so good, and he

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Speaker 8: is not tan no tanning booths for Rey Longos since

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Speaker 8: like the late nineties.

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Speaker 3: All right, so a lot to get to today.

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Speaker 8: We're obviously going to recap UFC Fight Night Rocket versus Smith,

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Speaker 8: and Longo's got a guy headlining Data White's Contender series

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Speaker 8: show on Tuesday. Of course, when some of you ingest this,

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Speaker 8: that will have already happened. But we'll get into all that.

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Speaker 8: I got a little game for you guys as well,

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Speaker 8: chance to make some money, which Longo always likes when

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Speaker 8: he can walk away walk away with that uh that

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Speaker 8: money that the nice Floria in LLC never seems to send.

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Speaker 3: But we had a lot going on today.

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Speaker 8: Brazilian jiu jitsu whiz Robert Drysdale schedule to join us

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Speaker 8: Alexander Rockitch main event win over Anthony Lionheart Smith. He's

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I agree with Kenny. I mean a smart fight.

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Speaker 11: You know, I definitely think he can do well.

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Speaker 11: But again, the experience was huge.

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Speaker 10: don't know, I don't know if we've seen Anthony Smith

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Speaker 9: Yeah, no, Look, it definitely was not a good performance.

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Speaker 6: But yeah, he took this. As you know, Anthony Smith

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Speaker 9: Huge name and he that's the way I think he

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Speaker 9: Kenny says, to really, you got to make a statement, you.

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Speaker 6: Know what I mean, And I don't know if he

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Speaker 11: You know, Ray brings up a great point, Johnny.

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Speaker 10: It's kind of one of those things where you know,

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Speaker 11: Plus you know what I mean, It's.

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Speaker 12: Like, yeah, I did it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what we looked.

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Speaker 6: That's what we were looking at, Kenny.

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Speaker 10: So it's like, all right, you beat Anthony Smith. It

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Speaker 6: And that was long.

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Speaker 8: celebrating a lot of C.

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Speaker 3: Plus there's no D in there.

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Speaker 8: Oh, we'll play the game, and it's a little lot

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Speaker 6: Little habit I picked up watching the quiz shows. John,

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Speaker 3: Well, I got one hundred dollars bill.

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Speaker 8: It's a brand new one from the back, and it's

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Speaker 9: But I thought, just what you said, John, the way

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Speaker 9: And like Kenny said, when he when Robbie wanted to

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Speaker 9: But not taking one thing away from Magnet, I thought

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Speaker 8: It's very hard for me to do the show at

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Speaker 10: Maybe he's got more than a few years left in

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Speaker 6: to say the burning desire to win. If that's not there, yeah,

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Speaker 6: and that's that's a tough one, man.

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Speaker 8: I agree, well, that hunger is certainly there for Neil

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Speaker 8: Magni three and oh in twenty twenty.

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Speaker 3: I think he's destined to make a run.

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Speaker 8: Hey, the Longo speedbag video on Instagram was really good.

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Speaker 3: Maybe we've got a tie clinch video that you. I mean,

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Speaker 3: I'd like to see you fucking go to work with that.

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Speaker 6: Oh, I love the tie clinch.

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Speaker 9: Okay, all right, I'm gonna put something together for you.

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Speaker 8: All right, both sixty seconds from now, we're going to

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Speaker 8: play a little game with Longgo and can Flow. First,

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Speaker 8: Tuesday Night Contender series. They remove the Tuesday Night so

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Speaker 8: Dana White Contender series. So the headlining fight is your

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Speaker 8: guy Dennis last name we'll hear in a minute taking

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Speaker 8: on Melsiic bog Desaurian. Good news is we're not gonna

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Speaker 8: make you pronounce Melsiic bog Diasaurian Ray. But figure for Dennis.

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Speaker 8: At this point, you might as well learn how to

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Speaker 8: pronounce Dennis. Don't call him Bozuka's last name, so it's

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Speaker 8: close to Bozuka. But Dennis has a huge fight. I

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Speaker 8: know he's a young kid, I think twenty two to

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Speaker 8: twenty three years old, but he's four and one five

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Speaker 8: and one is a pro headlining fight here on the

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Speaker 8: Contender series ESPN Plus Tuesday Night.

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Speaker 3: Tell the masses how to pronounce his last name?

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Speaker 9: Oh man, I thought I go with Bozuka, all right,

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Speaker 9: which is horrible.

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Speaker 8: Well, I mean I thought it was bizuk I entrusted

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Speaker 8: in you, so I trotted that out on national television a.

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Speaker 3: Couple of weeks ago.

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Speaker 6: And what'd you end up with?

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Speaker 3: Wrong answer on national TV?

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Speaker 8: Let's hear Cody, if we could how Dennis pronounces his name,

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Speaker 8: if you don't.

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Speaker 10: Mind, Dennis the Great Bozuka, Dennis the Great Buzukyaka.

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Speaker 6: I thought you want to know how to pronounce Dennis.

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Speaker 6: I didn't know you.

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Speaker 9: I don't know you were talking about the last name.

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Speaker 9: Bazukia is how you pronounced it? Thought it was Dennis.

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Speaker 6: You had a trouble.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, yeah, it's gotta you know, improved question, you know,

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Speaker 10: just Sorryzuka Buzuka.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Bazukazukia.

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Speaker 8: He pronounces the first syllable two different ways, but that's

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Speaker 8: neither here nor there, Berzukia. So big fight for for

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Speaker 8: Dennis Bizuki. A lot of eyeball is going to be

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Speaker 8: on this kid, and uh, I know you believe in him.

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Speaker 8: What do you have for the audience right now?

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Speaker 9: Great camp? I think he's really prepared. And uh, I've

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Speaker 9: been on Bazooka. If you're a betting man.

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Speaker 3: Okay, I don't have a bed line.

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Speaker 8: I tried to get one, Cody, if you want to

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Speaker 8: see if one is up, I did not see one

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Speaker 8: as of this taping, but perhaps I did not look

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Speaker 8: as thoroughly as I should have. But at least now,

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Speaker 8: next time you see him you can call him Buzukia.

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Speaker 8: So has Chris Wade moved to South Carolina?

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Speaker 3: See one? Put out the door already gone?

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Speaker 6: No, he's gone. I saw him Saturday. I was at

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Speaker 6: the house with him.

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Speaker 9: I don't know what the hell he's doing down there,

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Speaker 9: but he's gone.

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Speaker 3: Cody, what do you have for us, kid?

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Speaker 13: Well, I won't ready to guess. What do you think

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Speaker 13: the odds are on this fight?

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Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, Ray, I'm gonna say they have the other

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Speaker 9: guy favorite, which is a big mistake, so.

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Speaker 13: You'd be incorrect, but close, Dennis, The line is one

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Speaker 13: twenty favorite with the other side coming back at minus

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Speaker 13: one ten.

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Speaker 6: All right, cool, Yeah, no, they got they got that right.

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Speaker 8: All right, So widen into South Carolina, see a doctor

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Speaker 8: and get rid of him. So what what was the goodbye?

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Speaker 6: Like?

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Speaker 8: I mean in this COVID nineteen cloud, he a little embrace,

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Speaker 8: little emotional.

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Speaker 6: There was absolutely no masks at the house.

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Speaker 9: Uh, the new guy, the guy that came over for

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Speaker 9: what the house was over. We took a lot of pictures.

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Speaker 9: We had a good we actually had a good time.

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Speaker 9: I'm glad I got over to see him. And Uh,

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Speaker 9: I don't know he's going He's going to be back

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Speaker 9: sooner though.

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Speaker 6: We think over under a year. I yeah, we had

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Speaker 6: a under a year and a half. We had the

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Speaker 6: over under at a year and a half. He's coming back.

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Speaker 6: I don't think he makes it there.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, speaking of masks, by the way, I am happy

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Speaker 8: to let you know it's probably the best mask I've

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Speaker 8: anti Florian podcast dot com. And there's also some other

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Speaker 8: Ray Long Go Minute merchandise up there as well. So

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Speaker 8: we needed to push some sales. The holidays are coming.

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Speaker 6: So Minute men out there, gather up, man, we're taking

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Speaker 6: over that pod. Amazing, We are taking over the podcast.

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Speaker 8: Cody's gonna send me in Kenny email. That's like boys,

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Speaker 8: good news, bad news. You know, bad news. We haven't

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Speaker 8: sold any don't text and drive anti t shirts. Good

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Speaker 8: news sold out of Ray Long Minute masks.

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Speaker 6: Man love.

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Speaker 8: All right, all right, so we're gonna play a little

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Speaker 8: game here. A hundred bucks. Anakin Flora in LLC is

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Speaker 8: gonna cut the check to whoever goes the longest without

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Speaker 8: a wrong answer.

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Speaker 3: You guys can split the winnings.

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Speaker 8: But I have eight fights that are likely on the

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Speaker 8: books or rumored to be on the books, that are

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Speaker 8: going to happen.

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Speaker 3: All you got to do is tell me the favorite.

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Speaker 8: Keeping it really simple, Henry hoof style, just keeping it

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Speaker 8: fucking simple today.

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Speaker 3: Sorry for the swears.

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Speaker 8: All right, first fight, Ray's leading on all of these

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Speaker 8: kabib normago Medaw versus Justin Gates. You we're gonna start

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Speaker 8: with an easy one. Ray, Who's favorite Kabebra justin Ken Flow?

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Speaker 8: Kabibra Justin? You know who his favorite in that fight?

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Speaker 3: Ken Flow?

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Speaker 11: I would say habib Right.

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Speaker 3: All right, you're both gonna be live, all right.

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Speaker 8: Next fight coming up on September nineteenth, twenty days from now,

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Speaker 8: Colby Covington versus Tyron Woodley Ray Longo.

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Speaker 3: Who's favorite?

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Speaker 6: Kolbe Covington can flow?

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Speaker 11: I'd say Kolby as well.

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Speaker 8: Kobe is a huge favorite minus three thirty five. Tyron

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Speaker 8: Woodley is plus two to seventy five. Part of the

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Speaker 8: reason we're doing this exercise is get some of these

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Speaker 8: big fight odds out there, all right. Third fight, Davison

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Speaker 8: Figuretto versus Cody Garbrant for the UFC Men's Flyway Championship.

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Speaker 3: Who's favorite?

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Speaker 6: Right Figato can flow?

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Speaker 11: Huh?

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Speaker 10: Interesting Uh. I'll go with Cody on this one.

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Speaker 3: All right.

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Speaker 8: So Ray wins one hundred dollars Bigaretto minus two thirty

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Speaker 8: Cody Garbrandt plus one ninety. We're gonna still move on though,

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Speaker 8: with the rest of the game. Next up, Darren till

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Speaker 8: or Jack Harmanson Ray.

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Speaker 3: Who's favorite?

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Speaker 6: Jack and Manson can Flow?

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Speaker 11: I'd say her Manson as well.

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Speaker 8: Darren till Slagh favorite modestool Jack Manon, Damn.

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Speaker 11: I could have could have stole that one, all right?

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Speaker 8: Next up, I should have done total instead of like

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Speaker 8: a survivor elimination. But the check's been cut, all right.

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Speaker 8: Next up, Francis and Ghanu. Okay, some of these fights

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Speaker 8: are just dream scenarios, right, haven't been announced at all.

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Speaker 8: Francis and Ghanu versus Steve A Miachick, Ray.

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Speaker 3: Who's favorite?

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Speaker 6: Steve A Miachick can flow?

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Speaker 3: Francis or STEVEE?

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Speaker 11: I think they'd probably have Francis as a as a favorite.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, against any human being in the world right now? Yeah,

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Speaker 8: Francis minus one ninety Stepe plus one sixty five?

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Speaker 3: Israel Atta Sonia versus Paolo Costa.

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Speaker 6: Ray Uh Adasanya.

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Speaker 11: Ken Flow should be out of Sonya.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, Champs minus one sixty all right? Donald Cowboy Seroni

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Speaker 8: versus Nico Price? Who's favorite?

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Speaker 3: Right now? Serni or Price?

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Speaker 6: I'd have to go with Soni, ken Flow.

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Speaker 11: I get, let's go with Serroni. I assume they'll go

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Speaker 11: with Serrooni.

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Speaker 3: I like the pause that was a tough one for me.

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Speaker 8: At least the book that I saw pricing this right

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Speaker 8: now has Nico price minus won sixty five Donald Cowboys.

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Speaker 3: Si.

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Speaker 8: Wow, all right, you've both been eliminated, so we don't

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Speaker 8: have to get to cloud Gagodelia versus Yon Chao Nan.

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Speaker 8: But I can tell you Yan Chao Nan is a

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Speaker 8: slight favorite and the last one ray just for U

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Speaker 8: for shits and giggles. Francis and Ganu versus John Jones.

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Speaker 6: Uh man, I'm gonna go.

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Speaker 9: I'm gonna say that if they picked them over me

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Speaker 9: a chick, they'll pick them over Jones.

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Speaker 6: I go with Ghano.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, they probably going Ghana.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, Francis and Ghanu betting favorite over any man in

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Speaker 8: America right now. Hey, I'm not saying he beats any

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Speaker 8: man in America, but yes, you've got to entrench him

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Speaker 8: as the favorite against anybody right now, you know. And

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Speaker 8: if if you disagree, UFC fight Pass dot Com. All right,

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Speaker 8: I think that's all I have for you today. I mean,

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Speaker 8: this is great. Having you off the top of this.

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Speaker 11: Is big. This is big.

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Speaker 8: Did you go on the UFC's own podcast though this

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Speaker 8: week as well?

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Speaker 3: Did you do that?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 6: I did that today. I got I got tortured by

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Speaker 6: my friend today.

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Speaker 11: Hey's out, get him out of here, get him out

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Speaker 11: of here, let's go.

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Speaker 8: I can't I can't mention it by name, but I'm

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Speaker 8: glad you're carved out thirty two minutes for us tonight.

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Speaker 3: Are you at home or you at the gym right now?

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Speaker 6: I'm at home, but I'm heading back to the gym

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Speaker 6: right after this.

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Speaker 8: All right, man, Well hope it sounds like we lightened

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Speaker 8: up your day a little bit.

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Speaker 6: You guys made my day. It was having a rough

662
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Speaker 6: day today.

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Speaker 8: Sorry to hear that. Care to share any details? You

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Speaker 8: want to keep that close to the vest.

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Speaker 6: We're just, you know, trying to figure out what we're

666
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Speaker 6: doing with the gym. You know, it's a very complicated

667
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Speaker 6: times right now. I'm sure it is.

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Speaker 8: Well, I know, can flow, can empathize and uh yeah,

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Speaker 8: how are you find?

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Speaker 6: Yeah? How were you doing, Kenny with that?

671
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Speaker 3: I mean, hanging in there, man.

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Speaker 10: You know, we're just trying to stay stay alive over

673
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Speaker 10: here in California there they have shut us down, so

674
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Speaker 10: we're waiting for for the go ahead and just trying

675
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Speaker 10: to keep our head above water.

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Speaker 6: Man.

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Speaker 11: But I feel for you over there. I know you

678
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Speaker 11: guys have had it even worse than us, and I

679
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Speaker 11: don't know. Man, put someone in the tie clinch, throw

680
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Speaker 11: a couple of knees and elbows. I'll make it feel better.

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Speaker 6: We can't. It's we're too close, that's right. Do you

682
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Speaker 6: have to socially distanced tight clinch? It doesn't work, you

683
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Speaker 6: know what I mean. You see guys clinching like this,

684
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Speaker 6: Kenny with fine, it's horrible. I don't know. But anyway,

685
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Speaker 6: you guys are the best. You always take my day.

686
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Speaker 6: And now let me tell you.

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Speaker 9: Me and Cody were hacking away at this a Sunday night,

688
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Speaker 9: at eleven o'clock at night. So Cody, you got to

689
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Speaker 9: give it up to the guy. There's no we don't

690
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Speaker 9: set limits. It's not a ninth to five job.

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Speaker 6: We do whatever it takes.

692
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Speaker 10: Hard work, dedication, hard work, dedication.

693
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Speaker 9: See, I believe in a country where hard work pays off.

694
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Speaker 9: And now they taken they don't even.

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Speaker 11: Let your work hard exactly.

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Speaker 6: I'm running for president. Come on, let's go.

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Speaker 3: Well, hey, let's talk offline about the gym.

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Speaker 8: I know we joke about putting Florian on the front

699
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Speaker 8: of the building, but let's talk.

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Speaker 6: Hey, I'm ready to get it.

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Speaker 8: Have a good night, and we'll see that Ty Clinch video.

702
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Speaker 8: Ray Longo Mma on Instagram. I guess later this week, beautiful,

703
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Speaker 8: you got it, alm My man, Take it easy, guys,

704
00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:52,480
Speaker 8: very long ago wayes every week here on the Anak

705
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Speaker 8: and Florian podcast. Couple other performances. I just wanted to mention,

706
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Speaker 8: I don't know if you have anything on what was

707
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Speaker 8: the fight a night between Riccardo Lamos and Bill Algio.

708
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Speaker 8: A lot of people out there support Algio and seems

709
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Speaker 8: like a really good guy, and I'm excited to see

710
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Speaker 8: his second effort after stepping up against Ricardo Lamas and

711
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Speaker 8: in for your guy against Ryan Hall, Mallory Martin with

712
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Speaker 8: an outstanding comeback to submit, Hannah Sipher she Wan a

713
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Speaker 8: bonus and the Philadelphia Kid Sean Brady also a bonus

714
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Speaker 8: winner by guillotine. But Lamas and Algio, I'd imagine you

715
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Speaker 8: and Ryan Hall were watching that fairly intently. Any thoughts

716
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Speaker 8: on Lamas still getting it done?

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Speaker 11: Absolutely, listen. Algio was no joke.

718
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Speaker 10: He went out there and had an awesome performance, went

719
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Speaker 10: right at him. There was no intimidation factor or UFC

720
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Speaker 10: jitters on his part at all. I thought he went

721
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Speaker 10: out there, moved really well, really took the fight to Lamas.

722
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Speaker 10: Lamas really had to make some adjustments out there, and

723
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Speaker 10: he did just that. I thought he responded extremely well,

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Speaker 10: as you'd expect from a very tough veteran, a guy

725
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Speaker 10: who fought for the belt before.

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Speaker 11: I thought. It really came down to that third.

727
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Speaker 10: Round and Lamas just kind of turned on, turned on

728
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Speaker 10: the turbos there and really away from Algio and did

729
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Speaker 10: a great job of getting that fight to the ground,

730
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Speaker 10: landed some really good ground pound, got to that clinch,

731
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Speaker 10: and I think I think that really was the difference

732
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Speaker 10: in there. In the third round, it seemed like Algio

733
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Speaker 10: really started to lose steam and Lamas just seemed to

734
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Speaker 10: get stronger.

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Speaker 8: Right, all right, So last thing in terms of the

736
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Speaker 8: big fight odds, I mentioned Paolo Costa versus israel Atta Sonia.

737
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Speaker 8: And this isn't promotional hyperbole when I say how geeked

738
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Speaker 8: I am to watch that fight, right, But someone asked me,

739
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Speaker 8: you know, how would you compare your level of enthusiasm

740
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Speaker 8: for Adasnia Costa versus Adasanya Whittaker. And it's like, all right,

741
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Speaker 8: maybe I'm a little bit guilty, right because I'll tell

742
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Speaker 8: everybody Outasnya Whitaker, you don't understand.

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Speaker 3: This is the super Bowl Mixed Martial Arts.

744
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Speaker 8: This is the biggest midway fight ever, right, So sometimes

745
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Speaker 8: I am guilty of that. But given what we said

746
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Speaker 8: about the two hundred and five pound of vision, would

747
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Speaker 8: you at least say that you share my enthusiasm overwhelmingly

748
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Speaker 8: for this middleweight championship fight between two undefeated guys in

749
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Speaker 8: Ada Sonya in Costa truly the two best guys in

750
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Speaker 8: the world.

751
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Speaker 3: I mean this fight.

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Speaker 8: Anytime I'm asked, what's the fight the rest of the

753
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Speaker 8: way twenty twenty, I'm most looking forward to. I gotta

754
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Speaker 8: lead the conversation with.

755
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Speaker 11: This one without question. I think that.

756
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Speaker 10: When you look at both guys in the way that

757
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Speaker 10: they approach a fight, I think in Costa you have

758
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Speaker 10: the perfect dance partner for Audasanya out of Sonya needs

759
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Speaker 10: someone who is going to get in his face and

760
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Speaker 10: look to try to knock him out. I think that

761
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Speaker 10: brings out the best in out of Sonya. We've seen

762
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Speaker 10: that in his previous fights, so I think their contrasting

763
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Speaker 10: styles make for such an interesting spectacle. I think both

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Speaker 10: these guys are at the top of their games, so

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Speaker 10: for that, I think that makes it intriguing in and

766
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Speaker 10: of itself. But just the way that they fight, I

767
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Speaker 10: just don't see this fight going the distance. If it does,

768
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Speaker 10: it would be an absolute classic. But Costa doesn't have

769
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Speaker 10: any other way to fight. He only fights going forward,

770
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Speaker 10: looking to knock your head off and out of Sonya

771
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Speaker 10: is a counter puncher through and through, and I think

772
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Speaker 10: that's what makes it so fascinating. From a martial arts

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Speaker 10: perspective and from a fight fan perspective, I think that

774
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Speaker 10: one is destined to be a short one. I mean,

775
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Speaker 10: if I were to make a bet under three rounds.

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Speaker 10: But I'm fascinated by it, and both those guys.

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Speaker 11: Are just awesome.

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Speaker 8: So would you say then Joel Romero as an opponent

779
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Speaker 8: for Atasanya is sort of on the other end of

780
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Speaker 8: the spectrum in terms of it being like a super

781
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Speaker 8: challenging guy to prepare for it, right like Whitaker after

782
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Speaker 8: he fought down until he said that was a very

783
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Speaker 8: mentally taxing fight, right, So do you feel like this

784
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Speaker 8: will have him salivating much more so than maybe past matchups?

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Speaker 11: I think so.

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Speaker 10: I truly believe that I think jol Romero was a

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Speaker 10: guy who really fought a style against Atasanya where he

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Speaker 10: wanted to be a counter striker as well. Both guys

789
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Speaker 10: were enticing the other one to move forward, and for me,

790
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Speaker 10: that's the highest level of skill it is the counter puncher.

791
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Speaker 10: It takes way more skill to CounterPunch than it is

792
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Speaker 10: to just move forward. So for that, I think it's

793
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Speaker 10: really intriguing. But Costa is a guy who's very fast,

794
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Speaker 10: very powerful. He's going to take it to Aadasania and

795
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Speaker 10: if Attasani isn't careful and he doesn't time things properly,

796
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Speaker 10: it's out of signya that could get knocked out. I

797
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Speaker 10: don't think that's going to be the case, and we'll

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Speaker 10: talk about that later. I think Attasnya is a true

799
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Speaker 10: superstar and an elite, truly elite martial artist.

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Speaker 11: But man, you can't sleep against Costa for one second.

801
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Speaker 2: Boy.

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Speaker 8: Well, as far as I'm concerned, it's a super Bowl,

803
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Speaker 8: it's September twenty six you don't have to wait till

804
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Speaker 8: the first week of February of the Super Bowl September

805
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Speaker 8: twenty sixth. I think it's like UFC two fifty three

806
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Speaker 8: all right, now, joining us, I always want to say

807
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Speaker 8: on the guest line, but a lot of video these days,

808
00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:42,600
Speaker 8: so it sounds a little weird. He's one of the

809
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Speaker 8: most accomplished American born Brazilian jiu jitsu practitioners of all time.

810
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:48,799
Speaker 8: You know the name, MMA coach, former fighter. Gotta think

811
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Speaker 8: he's in some sort of hall of fame by now,

812
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Speaker 8: maybe not. Kind of a young guy, The great Robert

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Speaker 8: Drysdale is with us. Good to have you with us, man,

814
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Speaker 8: How are you.

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Speaker 5: I'm doing great.

816
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Speaker 12: Thanks for having me on the show, guys, privilege and honor.

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Speaker 12: Thank you so much for having me ken fall.

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Speaker 8: I think there's like a jiu jitsu Walk of Fame

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Speaker 8: or something, if I'm not mistaken that just got off

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Speaker 8: the ground, is there not?

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Speaker 3: I mean, are you in any hall of fames?

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Speaker 9: Robert?

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Speaker 11: He should be.

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Speaker 12: I'm not like there's one b JJ Hall of Fame,

825
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Speaker 12: but only for those who won the IBJJF open weight class,

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Speaker 12: and I've never won that one. I've came close, at least,

827
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Speaker 12: you know, I won the division. I came close to

828
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Speaker 12: win the open ones, but I never wanted.

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Speaker 8: So I always ask grapplers have given a high level

830
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Speaker 8: what was there either signature win or the best win

831
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Speaker 8: of their career. What would you say was the win

832
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Speaker 8: that was most satisfying walking off the mat for you?

833
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Speaker 12: You know, it's funny because everyone immediately thinks that I

834
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Speaker 12: might easy to see win right over over Garcia or

835
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Speaker 12: Solidarsay because he's such a love character. You know, it's

836
00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:54,480
Speaker 12: so easy to love Garcia because he's like, he's little,

837
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Speaker 12: he does he's unassuming, you know, and he's so technical

838
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Speaker 12: and it's so beautiful to watch and grapple. Uh you know,

839
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Speaker 12: So like I came in kind of a dark course

840
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Speaker 12: and I beat.

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Speaker 5: Some big names that day.

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Speaker 12: So everyone always thinks of the ADCC in two thousand

843
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Speaker 12: and seven, But I think emotionally, I have some other

844
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Speaker 12: tournaments that are at least significant in terms of accomplishment,

845
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Speaker 12: you know, but like me, or just at least as

846
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Speaker 12: much to me emotionally, like small tournaments.

847
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Speaker 5: Sometime I remember, like when I first.

848
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Speaker 12: Started, people don't believe it, but like I actually I

849
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Speaker 12: was a horrible competitor. My first tournament, I lost first fight.

850
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Speaker 12: My second tournament, I lost first fight. My third tournament,

851
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Speaker 12: I lost first fight. My fourth tournament, I lost first fight.

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Speaker 12: My fifth tournament, I took second I won two matches

853
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Speaker 12: and I lost in the final, and to me, that

854
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:47,360
Speaker 12: was like, I can do this, right, there's a chance

855
00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:49,360
Speaker 12: there's a light at the end of the tunnel. So

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Speaker 12: I remember like that victory to me met so much.

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Speaker 12: There's some other ones along the way, but I think

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Speaker 12: that the big one is the IBJJF black Belt world

859
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Speaker 12: title in the ADCC open.

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Speaker 8: Waight us so well, Ken Flay and I looked fondly

861
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Speaker 8: back at your loan UFC fight that we happened to

862
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Speaker 8: be on the call for today. We were watching some film.

863
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Speaker 8: But at least in my research is accurate. You made

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Speaker 8: official your retirement from MMA late in twenty nineteen, and

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Speaker 8: you're no longer competing in the grappling circuit as well

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Speaker 8: as that accurate or not?

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Speaker 12: Well, actually, I mean I really retired from grappling after

868
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Speaker 12: EIGHTYCC two thousand and nine. I haven't grappled ever since

869
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Speaker 12: I was still fighting MMA my last May fight with

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Speaker 12: twenty sixteen. I made a post a while ago where

871
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Speaker 12: I officially retired.

872
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Speaker 5: But I had retired orright.

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Speaker 12: It was just more of an announcement saying I'm full

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Speaker 12: time dedicated to my students at this point, you know,

875
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Speaker 12: it was just like my heart wasn't there anymore. To

876
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:44,520
Speaker 12: be honest, like I never wanted to fight for the

877
00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:47,359
Speaker 12: wrong reasons. I always told myself I always was going

878
00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:49,239
Speaker 12: to fight for the right reasons where my heart was

879
00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:51,759
Speaker 12: there and it meant something to me. I wanted to

880
00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:53,920
Speaker 12: prove to myself that I could do with That was

881
00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:57,240
Speaker 12: always my motivation, and once that wasn't there, I felt

882
00:38:57,239 --> 00:38:59,239
Speaker 12: like I would be fighting for the wrong reasons and

883
00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:00,239
Speaker 12: I didn't want to be that guy.

884
00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:03,400
Speaker 8: So you thought, once in the UFC, what do you

885
00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:07,239
Speaker 8: remember most about that fight week and that overall experience?

886
00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:12,000
Speaker 5: You know, people always ask me, like, what you're extra nervous?

887
00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:14,920
Speaker 12: Was that like something different from other experiences in jiu

888
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:15,759
Speaker 12: jitsu or and then May?

889
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:17,920
Speaker 5: I'm like, I never really cared for the crowd.

890
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:20,440
Speaker 12: Whether I had five people watching or five million, it

891
00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:22,960
Speaker 12: never made a difference to me. It was always about

892
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:26,120
Speaker 12: how I felt about myself walking in there right, how

893
00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:30,520
Speaker 12: confident I wasn't I think my biggest issue in May

894
00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:32,279
Speaker 12: was always like it's funny and then sparring. I was

895
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:34,200
Speaker 12: never scared of getting hit. I was never scared of

896
00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:36,319
Speaker 12: getting hit. That was never an issue. I've always been

897
00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:38,200
Speaker 12: terrified of getting knocked out.

898
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:38,480
Speaker 6: Right.

899
00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:39,760
Speaker 5: There's a big difference.

900
00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:42,560
Speaker 12: Right right, because I feel like in grappling, if we're grappling,

901
00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:44,640
Speaker 12: for you to beat me, you have to outposition me, right,

902
00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:47,520
Speaker 12: you have to take me down, maybe sweep me, pass

903
00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:50,840
Speaker 12: my guard, mound, control mount, get my back at a

904
00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:54,759
Speaker 12: submission we're striking, there's more of that, that element of

905
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:58,160
Speaker 12: Russian roulette. You could be a much better striker. You know,

906
00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:01,880
Speaker 12: split second you'd blank, wrong move, put.

907
00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:05,280
Speaker 5: Your hand down for right now. That's that's what always

908
00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:06,080
Speaker 5: terrified me.

909
00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:09,160
Speaker 12: So I remember being hesitant to because I knew if

910
00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:11,640
Speaker 12: I grappled with my I was always confident if I

911
00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:15,000
Speaker 12: can connect my hands around someone, I could win against anyone.

912
00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:16,640
Speaker 5: Like in my head, and if I connect my hands

913
00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:19,200
Speaker 5: around you, whether it's lake or waste, I'm gonna get

914
00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:22,520
Speaker 5: to your back, right. That was always my mind thought process.

915
00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:24,600
Speaker 12: But on the way in, I was always getting scared

916
00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:26,880
Speaker 12: of getting clipped with something. You know, I've always had

917
00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:29,440
Speaker 12: like the images of jiu jitsu guys running in and

918
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:30,480
Speaker 12: getting hit with the knee.

919
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:30,719
Speaker 2: On the way in.

920
00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:32,879
Speaker 5: Yeah, like I do that guy.

921
00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:36,839
Speaker 12: But it was a good experience, man Like of course,

922
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:39,359
Speaker 12: you know things that gonn go according to to plan, but.

923
00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:42,200
Speaker 5: Uh, you know, no regrets. Man, good, it's a good life.

924
00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:42,359
Speaker 6: Man.

925
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:44,160
Speaker 12: I did what I wanted to do, so I was

926
00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:46,320
Speaker 12: terrified of stepping in a cage. It was my biggest

927
00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:48,840
Speaker 12: fear in life. I overcame that. So to me, that

928
00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:49,920
Speaker 12: means more than anything.

929
00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:54,440
Speaker 10: Well, Rob, you you've been very busy since retiring. You obviously,

930
00:40:54,640 --> 00:40:57,000
Speaker 10: you know, very active as a coach both fortunates and

931
00:40:57,040 --> 00:40:58,040
Speaker 10: mixed martial arts.

932
00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:01,480
Speaker 11: You know what you prefer right right now.

933
00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:05,239
Speaker 10: Obviously you come from that jiujitsu background, But uh, is

934
00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:06,960
Speaker 10: there one that's more challenging than the other?

935
00:41:08,080 --> 00:41:08,680
Speaker 5: I feel like that.

936
00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:10,560
Speaker 12: You know, people won't agree with me when I say this,

937
00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:13,360
Speaker 12: but I feel that the evolution in AJ happens a

938
00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:16,200
Speaker 12: lot faster than it happens in MMA, and I think

939
00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:18,239
Speaker 12: part of that is the number of practitioners. There are

940
00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:21,959
Speaker 12: a lot more BJJ practitioners and competitions in MMA.

941
00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:24,200
Speaker 5: Got to remember, IMA has a lot of fans.

942
00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:26,080
Speaker 12: That does not have a lot of practitioners, right, So

943
00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:28,080
Speaker 12: the technical evolution happens a lot faster.

944
00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:30,160
Speaker 5: And there's something in the culture of.

945
00:41:30,120 --> 00:41:34,680
Speaker 12: BJJ where I feel that innovation is more welcome, whereas

946
00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:36,600
Speaker 12: the MMA crowd tends to be a little more stubborn,

947
00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:39,919
Speaker 12: like it's very difficult to get them to do anything different, right.

948
00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:41,600
Speaker 12: They have to see that in the UFCP four to

949
00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:44,080
Speaker 12: even try to, you know, something new, Whereas I feel

950
00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:46,720
Speaker 12: like the BJJ crowd is more willing to try something

951
00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:49,600
Speaker 12: completely new. They're more open minded in that regard. So

952
00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:52,719
Speaker 12: I think that reinforces the the technical developmentcause I can

953
00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:54,560
Speaker 12: barely keep up with you. Just I'll be honest with you, guys,

954
00:41:54,680 --> 00:41:56,680
Speaker 12: I do this for a living, and I'm watching my

955
00:41:57,200 --> 00:41:57,799
Speaker 12: messy Berri and.

956
00:41:57,800 --> 00:41:59,279
Speaker 5: Bolo and I got to put it in slow motion.

957
00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:01,640
Speaker 12: I can barely keep up with them, Whereas MMA that

958
00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:04,280
Speaker 12: never happens like it's I think the evolution is happening

959
00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:05,000
Speaker 12: a lot slower.

960
00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:08,480
Speaker 10: I think that's pretty accurate, man. And you've also been

961
00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:13,239
Speaker 10: busy putting together this tremendous Brazilian jiu jitsu documentary that

962
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:18,040
Speaker 10: basically correct me if I'm wrong. You basically kind of validate.

963
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:20,760
Speaker 10: I guess you could say the history of Brazilian jiujitsu

964
00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:24,680
Speaker 10: and how it evolved from Japan into Brazil and how

965
00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:25,680
Speaker 10: it came to the United States.

966
00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:26,680
Speaker 11: Is that? Is that correct?

967
00:42:26,719 --> 00:42:29,319
Speaker 10: And and why did you decide to take up this

968
00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:30,040
Speaker 10: huge project.

969
00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:33,759
Speaker 12: It's funny, man, Like, I've always been a history nerd,

970
00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:35,799
Speaker 12: and so I have my second passion outside of jiu jitsu.

971
00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:38,920
Speaker 5: I'm a history major. I have an unfinished masters in history.

972
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:43,279
Speaker 5: I love. I've always loved everything from ancient history to

973
00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:47,840
Speaker 5: colonial period, cold war, contemporary politics.

974
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:51,960
Speaker 12: I've always been very much, you know, immersed into humanities

975
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:54,480
Speaker 12: in general. Like I've always loved it. I never thought

976
00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:56,879
Speaker 12: about studying the history jiu jitsu, but I bumped into

977
00:42:56,880 --> 00:42:58,239
Speaker 12: a book called Shocking by.

978
00:42:58,160 --> 00:42:59,040
Speaker 5: Hobert Dee Dedeta.

979
00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:01,720
Speaker 12: It's available on Amazon on It's the most dense piece

980
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:06,040
Speaker 12: of you know, i'd say, the study of the history

981
00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:09,480
Speaker 12: of martial arts in Brazil today. And it was shocking,

982
00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:12,280
Speaker 12: like the story that we had been told was very incomplete.

983
00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:12,879
Speaker 5: I won't say.

984
00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:14,480
Speaker 12: You know, a lot of people think I'm trying to

985
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:16,759
Speaker 12: discredit the graces. That's the last thing I'm trying to do.

986
00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:18,399
Speaker 12: In some ways, I think I came to.

987
00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:19,440
Speaker 5: Admire them more.

988
00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:24,400
Speaker 12: But the story, that linear, simplistic narrative of Maida teaching Carlos,

989
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:28,240
Speaker 12: who taught Helio, maybe Helio learned from learning The story varies.

990
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:30,640
Speaker 12: It's too simplistic, it's too.

991
00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:31,440
Speaker 5: Poor in reality.

992
00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:34,160
Speaker 12: I think that there's a lot more elements to this story,

993
00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:37,000
Speaker 12: and that narrative is not necessarily incorrect. It's just that,

994
00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:39,120
Speaker 12: you know, if you think of history, you shouldn't think

995
00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:41,279
Speaker 12: of history as linear. You should think of history as

996
00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:44,480
Speaker 12: a bush, right, And some people will select one little

997
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:46,160
Speaker 12: part of the bush and make that the whole story.

998
00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:49,600
Speaker 12: It's like, notice, second, there's an entire bush here of information.

999
00:43:49,719 --> 00:43:52,359
Speaker 12: There's like so much more to this, and really that's

1000
00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:54,719
Speaker 12: the goal of the documentary and the book that I

1001
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:56,920
Speaker 12: just finished. It was like complete the history of jiu

1002
00:43:57,000 --> 00:44:00,400
Speaker 12: jitsu and have an account that was more unbuy. It

1003
00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:03,360
Speaker 12: was not pro Brazil, it was not pro Us, pro Japan,

1004
00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:07,759
Speaker 12: profile Olneage, pro graci Ants. It was let's try to

1005
00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:10,880
Speaker 12: be you know, as accurate and as unbiased as possible.

1006
00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:14,040
Speaker 12: We worked with the leading histories in the field, the

1007
00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:15,960
Speaker 12: people that have been studying this for a long time.

1008
00:44:16,080 --> 00:44:18,040
Speaker 12: So it was a really cool process.

1009
00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:18,200
Speaker 13: Man.

1010
00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:19,600
Speaker 5: It was like the journey of a lifetime.

1011
00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:19,719
Speaker 6: Man.

1012
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:21,480
Speaker 12: Actually, I'm more proud of this than I am of

1013
00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:24,480
Speaker 12: my ADCC title or my UFC fight or anything like that.

1014
00:44:24,520 --> 00:44:26,839
Speaker 12: To be honest, I really think it's going to change

1015
00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:28,000
Speaker 12: the way people look at history.

1016
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:30,440
Speaker 10: I can't wait to check it out. Man, it sounds

1017
00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:33,760
Speaker 10: really interesting. And I assume do you guys get into

1018
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:36,759
Speaker 10: some of the history of mixed martial mixed martial larger

1019
00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:41,440
Speaker 10: Valletuto and in Brazil, and obviously that has its relationship

1020
00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:42,120
Speaker 10: with the UFC.

1021
00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:46,320
Speaker 12: Clearly, yes, absolutely, I mean it's the story or parallel.

1022
00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:49,120
Speaker 12: You got to understand what's happening in Brazil, is it

1023
00:44:49,239 --> 00:44:52,040
Speaker 12: is it's unique in some ways, like the Circus was

1024
00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:55,760
Speaker 12: that UFC, The circus was Netflix, the circus was ESPN,

1025
00:44:55,840 --> 00:44:58,839
Speaker 12: the circus was the circus was everything back in the day, right,

1026
00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:01,560
Speaker 12: That's where entertainment don't have TV and radio. So what'd

1027
00:45:01,560 --> 00:45:04,120
Speaker 12: you do? You go to the circus, you know. So

1028
00:45:04,520 --> 00:45:07,480
Speaker 12: that's where these performances were taking place. You got keep

1029
00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:09,279
Speaker 12: in mind too, like people are migrating a lot more

1030
00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:12,080
Speaker 12: early in the twentieth century. So you're getting Greco Roman wrestlers,

1031
00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:15,319
Speaker 12: you're getting Kapu EIAs, you're getting the Savati fighters, you're

1032
00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:18,759
Speaker 12: getting the catch wrestlers, and you're getting the Japanese judokas.

1033
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:21,839
Speaker 12: And out of that syncretism, these guys in Brazil, they

1034
00:45:22,239 --> 00:45:25,080
Speaker 12: can't agree on the rules. Long story short, So sometimes

1035
00:45:25,120 --> 00:45:26,840
Speaker 12: they would put a ge on the kapuerra and the

1036
00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:30,160
Speaker 12: kupuera guys would complain, so the rule would be a gee.

1037
00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:32,200
Speaker 12: But for the first round, you can't take me down.

1038
00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:34,200
Speaker 12: Oh okay, let's do that. So the first round of

1039
00:45:34,280 --> 00:45:36,279
Speaker 12: jiu jitsu, guys just ready the whole time, right, But.

1040
00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:38,000
Speaker 5: The Kaupla guys got a gie on, right.

1041
00:45:38,080 --> 00:45:40,959
Speaker 12: So you have all these dumb rules and they can't

1042
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:41,960
Speaker 12: really agree on anything.

1043
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:44,040
Speaker 5: And finally at some point they go, how about this.

1044
00:45:44,680 --> 00:45:46,600
Speaker 12: You do what you want to do. I do what

1045
00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:49,239
Speaker 12: I want to do, and let's go. Let's go at it, right,

1046
00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:52,240
Speaker 12: and that's you start that. Then you see MMA taking

1047
00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:53,839
Speaker 12: shape during that period.

1048
00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:55,440
Speaker 6: Too.

1049
00:45:55,760 --> 00:45:58,959
Speaker 12: As we understand, they played a huge role, but other

1050
00:45:59,040 --> 00:46:01,759
Speaker 12: martial its just as which Kapuera played a huge role

1051
00:46:01,760 --> 00:46:04,600
Speaker 12: in this story. It's very neglected because cupuera became something

1052
00:46:04,719 --> 00:46:07,520
Speaker 12: very different. Now it's very dance like, right, whereas at

1053
00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:11,200
Speaker 12: that time people don't notice. But Kapwera had takedowns, guillotines,

1054
00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:15,040
Speaker 12: guard position. It was far more MMA oriented in those days,

1055
00:46:15,120 --> 00:46:18,240
Speaker 12: less musical, you know. So it's a very rich story

1056
00:46:18,280 --> 00:46:21,680
Speaker 12: as well. H and out of these rivalries with the Japanese,

1057
00:46:21,719 --> 00:46:24,680
Speaker 12: that's where the may came about, like they finally started

1058
00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:26,560
Speaker 12: like because they couldn't agree on the rules, they decided

1059
00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:29,680
Speaker 12: to remove all rules and that's where valid tudo came from.

1060
00:46:30,200 --> 00:46:32,640
Speaker 8: Robert Drysdale with us here on the Anak Employing podcast.

1061
00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:35,200
Speaker 8: So you were born in the US, so we here

1062
00:46:35,239 --> 00:46:37,040
Speaker 8: in the United States of America will take you. But

1063
00:46:37,080 --> 00:46:39,560
Speaker 8: you moved to Brazil when you were young. Can you

1064
00:46:40,360 --> 00:46:42,640
Speaker 8: take us back to that experience, what your formative years

1065
00:46:42,680 --> 00:46:45,120
Speaker 8: were like in Brazil and how often you were sort

1066
00:46:45,120 --> 00:46:46,720
Speaker 8: of doing the back and forthing.

1067
00:46:48,040 --> 00:46:50,319
Speaker 12: My whole life really, I was born in Provo, Utah

1068
00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:53,080
Speaker 12: to more of a missionary. That's something My father did

1069
00:46:53,120 --> 00:46:55,279
Speaker 12: his mission in Brazil, so he speaks fool in Portuguese.

1070
00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:58,640
Speaker 12: My mom was a Brazilian swimmer on a scholarship at Uyu,

1071
00:46:58,760 --> 00:47:00,719
Speaker 12: so I was born on campus. I've been back to

1072
00:47:00,719 --> 00:47:02,600
Speaker 12: Brazil when I was six. I grew up in Brazil.

1073
00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:03,960
Speaker 12: My formative years were in Brazil.

1074
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:04,480
Speaker 5: That's where I.

1075
00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:06,799
Speaker 12: Started training, and then I've been going back and forth.

1076
00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:08,680
Speaker 12: I say about sixty percent of my life has been

1077
00:47:08,719 --> 00:47:11,080
Speaker 12: in the US at this point. But it was a

1078
00:47:11,160 --> 00:47:13,000
Speaker 12: rich experience. I was glad I was a child in Brazil.

1079
00:47:13,040 --> 00:47:14,840
Speaker 12: I think I had a lot of fun. Very fortunate

1080
00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:17,400
Speaker 12: to be here now. But it gave me a different perspective,

1081
00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:20,160
Speaker 12: you know, because you know, my my earliest childhood memories

1082
00:47:20,200 --> 00:47:22,960
Speaker 12: are you know, my my American family arguing with my

1083
00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:25,640
Speaker 12: Brazilian family over things like who invented the airplane?

1084
00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:27,120
Speaker 5: You know, and I'm in the middle of it.

1085
00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:28,960
Speaker 12: You know, I actually have to do my own research. Look,

1086
00:47:29,120 --> 00:47:32,760
Speaker 12: let's find out who actually the airplane, like as neutral

1087
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:35,839
Speaker 12: as possible. Right So, I think that right there kind

1088
00:47:35,840 --> 00:47:38,040
Speaker 12: of gave me a different scope on you know, the

1089
00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:42,600
Speaker 12: whole geopolitical you know, rivalry or like.

1090
00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:43,560
Speaker 5: How things develop.

1091
00:47:43,680 --> 00:47:47,120
Speaker 12: And I think I became more I wouldn't I People

1092
00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:49,840
Speaker 12: asking if I'm more American or more Brazilian, I'm like, neither.

1093
00:47:49,880 --> 00:47:51,879
Speaker 12: I try to take the best from both cultures. Then,

1094
00:47:52,200 --> 00:47:54,000
Speaker 12: you know, I don't really put my foot on one

1095
00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:54,600
Speaker 12: culture or the other.

1096
00:47:54,640 --> 00:47:58,240
Speaker 8: I think I'm both, right, So a couple other things

1097
00:47:58,280 --> 00:47:59,879
Speaker 8: I want to get to before we let you fly,

1098
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:02,120
Speaker 8: and then something on the documentary on the way out.

1099
00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:05,160
Speaker 8: But when you arrived in the UFC, you know, I've

1100
00:48:05,239 --> 00:48:07,120
Speaker 8: read a lot about you over the last twenty four

1101
00:48:07,120 --> 00:48:09,360
Speaker 8: hours or so, what were your goals?

1102
00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:09,600
Speaker 5: Right?

1103
00:48:09,640 --> 00:48:13,040
Speaker 8: I mean, because you were tired, undefeated, you scratch that itch,

1104
00:48:13,040 --> 00:48:13,959
Speaker 8: so to speak, You.

1105
00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:15,720
Speaker 3: Conquered that fear and that demon.

1106
00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:19,759
Speaker 8: But when you arrived, you know, I mean we thought, man,

1107
00:48:19,840 --> 00:48:22,040
Speaker 8: I mean, this guy's going to be a real problem,

1108
00:48:22,120 --> 00:48:24,680
Speaker 8: you know, not Damien Maya two point zero per se,

1109
00:48:24,760 --> 00:48:26,560
Speaker 8: but we thought we were in for a guy who

1110
00:48:26,600 --> 00:48:29,160
Speaker 8: was really going to contend. So I'm just curious sort

1111
00:48:29,200 --> 00:48:32,160
Speaker 8: of how that lines up or juxtaposed against your goals,

1112
00:48:32,320 --> 00:48:33,719
Speaker 8: you know, coming into the UFC.

1113
00:48:34,239 --> 00:48:37,040
Speaker 12: You know, I had this thing in my head when

1114
00:48:37,080 --> 00:48:39,880
Speaker 12: I started training, there was there was a progression in

1115
00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:44,320
Speaker 12: jiu jitsu, right, blue, purple, brown, Black, You win eighty

1116
00:48:44,600 --> 00:48:48,799
Speaker 12: world titles in those belts, you win ADC C and

1117
00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:52,319
Speaker 12: the UFC with the culmination of that work, I never

1118
00:48:52,360 --> 00:48:54,560
Speaker 12: saw jiu jitsu separated from MMA. To me, it was

1119
00:48:54,600 --> 00:48:57,960
Speaker 12: a continuation. Like I have total respect for black belts

1120
00:48:57,960 --> 00:49:01,200
Speaker 12: who have never fought. I don't criticize or but to me,

1121
00:49:01,440 --> 00:49:04,000
Speaker 12: I personally would not feel complete unless I had lived

1122
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:06,600
Speaker 12: that journey and what was missing in my you know,

1123
00:49:06,680 --> 00:49:09,640
Speaker 12: everything I wanted to accomplish the UFC belt could.

1124
00:49:09,360 --> 00:49:11,160
Speaker 6: I have won it? I mean.

1125
00:49:12,920 --> 00:49:14,560
Speaker 5: In the gym, man, I never had.

1126
00:49:14,520 --> 00:49:16,799
Speaker 12: An up stream with multiple UFC champions, Like I could

1127
00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:18,600
Speaker 12: go back and forth with any of them, you know,

1128
00:49:18,680 --> 00:49:20,719
Speaker 12: and I always done well. But you know, gym is

1129
00:49:20,760 --> 00:49:23,239
Speaker 12: not reality. That's not where the real fight takes place.

1130
00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:24,160
Speaker 12: Who cares about the gym?

1131
00:49:24,280 --> 00:49:24,440
Speaker 6: Right?

1132
00:49:25,080 --> 00:49:27,680
Speaker 12: I think it was a combination of things, man Like obviously,

1133
00:49:27,719 --> 00:49:29,680
Speaker 12: you know, I feel the drug tests that didn't help.

1134
00:49:29,880 --> 00:49:32,800
Speaker 12: But I think at some point, you know, like having children,

1135
00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:35,239
Speaker 12: you know, watching some of my friends retire and like this,

1136
00:49:35,480 --> 00:49:38,400
Speaker 12: they were once they started meeting, reaching their mid forties,

1137
00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:40,240
Speaker 12: they weren't the same anymore.

1138
00:49:39,960 --> 00:49:42,239
Speaker 5: You know, and there's something wrong. And I'm watching all.

1139
00:49:42,160 --> 00:49:44,400
Speaker 12: These things and I got a glimpse of the crowd

1140
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:48,279
Speaker 12: that I didn't like. You know, I'm a little you know.

1141
00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:49,080
Speaker 5: As I don't.

1142
00:49:49,120 --> 00:49:51,480
Speaker 12: I don't like people judging me, unless they if Kenny

1143
00:49:51,480 --> 00:49:53,200
Speaker 12: wanted to judge me, I feel like you perfect place

1144
00:49:53,239 --> 00:49:55,600
Speaker 12: to do so because you've been in there, right, fine

1145
00:49:55,640 --> 00:49:58,120
Speaker 12: with that, Like I really am, like my coach, my teammates,

1146
00:49:58,160 --> 00:49:59,640
Speaker 12: But when people have never stepped foot in there are

1147
00:49:59,680 --> 00:50:01,680
Speaker 12: like very focal about things that bothers me.

1148
00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:04,200
Speaker 5: Sure, Like I didn't like, I didn't.

1149
00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:06,239
Speaker 12: Like the spotlight of being that so I don't have

1150
00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:07,880
Speaker 12: thick skin, I guess, so to speak.

1151
00:50:07,920 --> 00:50:08,120
Speaker 6: You know.

1152
00:50:08,280 --> 00:50:10,640
Speaker 12: So it was a combination of all these things, and

1153
00:50:10,640 --> 00:50:12,640
Speaker 12: I'm like, I love this practice, I love this part,

1154
00:50:12,719 --> 00:50:14,279
Speaker 12: but I don't like show business.

1155
00:50:14,840 --> 00:50:17,319
Speaker 8: Well, speaking of show business, And of course, there was

1156
00:50:17,320 --> 00:50:19,560
Speaker 8: a shining moment and I'll call a shining moment for

1157
00:50:19,640 --> 00:50:22,440
Speaker 8: you in the corner of Max Roskoff a couple of

1158
00:50:22,440 --> 00:50:26,279
Speaker 8: months ago now. And I don't say this because you're here.

1159
00:50:26,360 --> 00:50:28,240
Speaker 8: We said this on the show at the time. Every

1160
00:50:28,239 --> 00:50:30,720
Speaker 8: time I watch it back, I have even more respect

1161
00:50:30,719 --> 00:50:33,279
Speaker 8: for the way you handled that situation. Now, knowing the

1162
00:50:33,320 --> 00:50:36,839
Speaker 8: emotions that you had as a fighter, it seems even

1163
00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:39,600
Speaker 8: more masterful to me the way you handled that corner.

1164
00:50:39,640 --> 00:50:41,359
Speaker 8: I mean, and I don't know if you can gain

1165
00:50:41,440 --> 00:50:43,640
Speaker 8: enough separation to look back at it and say, man,

1166
00:50:43,800 --> 00:50:46,480
Speaker 8: you know, like, I really did a nice job breathing

1167
00:50:46,560 --> 00:50:49,279
Speaker 8: deep and not giving him too much to think about him,

1168
00:50:49,320 --> 00:50:51,680
Speaker 8: letting the moment breathe. I don't know what you can

1169
00:50:51,719 --> 00:50:54,480
Speaker 8: tell us a couple of months removed, but certainly everybody

1170
00:50:54,520 --> 00:50:56,480
Speaker 8: on our show thought you handled that beautifully.

1171
00:50:56,480 --> 00:50:58,560
Speaker 3: Despite what might have been said in other parts of

1172
00:50:58,560 --> 00:50:58,920
Speaker 3: the world.

1173
00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:00,759
Speaker 5: Yeah, you man, like I.

1174
00:51:00,840 --> 00:51:02,239
Speaker 12: You know, the one thing that made me happy is

1175
00:51:02,280 --> 00:51:04,880
Speaker 12: that all the people that are experts and no fighting

1176
00:51:04,960 --> 00:51:07,520
Speaker 12: sided with me, and then like the fans that are

1177
00:51:07,560 --> 00:51:09,080
Speaker 12: I mean, I don't want to disrespect fans, but like

1178
00:51:09,080 --> 00:51:11,560
Speaker 12: people that don't really know understand a lot of the sport,

1179
00:51:11,680 --> 00:51:14,239
Speaker 12: you know, are criticizing me. I the only thing I

1180
00:51:14,239 --> 00:51:15,920
Speaker 12: would have done different is I would have had a

1181
00:51:15,920 --> 00:51:18,600
Speaker 12: different choice words, you know. I think my choice the

1182
00:51:18,640 --> 00:51:22,040
Speaker 12: worst could have been more trying to reach because like, really,

1183
00:51:22,040 --> 00:51:24,719
Speaker 12: when you're a coach, you're a mind mind mechanic. You're

1184
00:51:24,760 --> 00:51:27,840
Speaker 12: not just teaching techniques and you're like sports psychologists. You

1185
00:51:27,880 --> 00:51:29,880
Speaker 12: got to go deep in there and fix the problem.

1186
00:51:30,239 --> 00:51:32,000
Speaker 12: And I think my choice the worst could have been

1187
00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:33,719
Speaker 12: better in the sense where I could have tapped into

1188
00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:36,160
Speaker 12: his emotion in a way that would have, you know,

1189
00:51:36,440 --> 00:51:38,600
Speaker 12: sparked that fire back, and I just like.

1190
00:51:38,920 --> 00:51:40,920
Speaker 5: Let's go, let's go, let's go. That's not enough. That's

1191
00:51:40,960 --> 00:51:43,000
Speaker 5: because I was caught off the guard, like when he says.

1192
00:51:42,920 --> 00:51:45,799
Speaker 12: Call it for like three four seconds if you watch

1193
00:51:45,840 --> 00:51:48,680
Speaker 12: the video, I'm speechless because I can't register what he's saying.

1194
00:51:48,760 --> 00:51:50,640
Speaker 5: I'm like, oh, who like we're talking about it. I

1195
00:51:50,719 --> 00:51:51,440
Speaker 5: think did he get hit?

1196
00:51:51,480 --> 00:51:54,920
Speaker 12: So I can't went through my head right, like I

1197
00:51:54,960 --> 00:51:57,360
Speaker 12: can't put two and two together. But once I finally

1198
00:51:57,520 --> 00:51:59,400
Speaker 12: realized that he didn't want to be there anymore, like

1199
00:51:59,440 --> 00:52:03,080
Speaker 12: I would have chosen my words better, but that's the

1200
00:52:03,120 --> 00:52:04,040
Speaker 12: only thing I would have changed.

1201
00:52:04,040 --> 00:52:04,960
Speaker 5: I don't regret it.

1202
00:52:05,760 --> 00:52:08,000
Speaker 12: I think that, uh yeah, me and Max, like he's

1203
00:52:08,040 --> 00:52:09,399
Speaker 12: like a little brother to me, and I know how

1204
00:52:09,440 --> 00:52:11,880
Speaker 12: bad he wanted to be there. I won't say I

1205
00:52:11,880 --> 00:52:13,440
Speaker 12: don't think he didn't want to be in there. I

1206
00:52:13,480 --> 00:52:15,040
Speaker 12: don't think that was it. I think he had a

1207
00:52:15,120 --> 00:52:19,520
Speaker 12: mental because when you're so used to winning, not having

1208
00:52:19,560 --> 00:52:22,600
Speaker 12: things go your way can be very, very frustrating. If

1209
00:52:22,600 --> 00:52:24,920
Speaker 12: you're used to losing, you can handle these things, right.

1210
00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:27,279
Speaker 12: But Max is the kind of guy's very dominant in

1211
00:52:27,320 --> 00:52:29,719
Speaker 12: the gym, so all of a sudden things and more

1212
00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:31,759
Speaker 12: exactly as he's used to them going, He's like, what

1213
00:52:31,840 --> 00:52:32,479
Speaker 12: do I do now?

1214
00:52:32,520 --> 00:52:34,640
Speaker 5: Like, I this is a weird place. It reminds me.

1215
00:52:36,520 --> 00:52:39,880
Speaker 12: Someone send me a video of like Teddy Atlas yelling

1216
00:52:39,920 --> 00:52:42,160
Speaker 12: at Michael Moore they're about to win a world title,

1217
00:52:42,440 --> 00:52:44,160
Speaker 12: and that was like I think the late eighties, maybe

1218
00:52:44,239 --> 00:52:44,600
Speaker 12: early on.

1219
00:52:44,600 --> 00:52:46,000
Speaker 5: I remember the time period.

1220
00:52:46,080 --> 00:52:48,920
Speaker 12: But like Matt, I compared to what that guy he

1221
00:52:49,080 --> 00:52:51,680
Speaker 12: was talking to, Michael Moore, how I to Max, I

1222
00:52:51,680 --> 00:52:54,440
Speaker 12: think it's it's a picture of the time we're living in,

1223
00:52:54,520 --> 00:52:57,400
Speaker 12: Like people who came so soft you can't even say anything,

1224
00:52:57,920 --> 00:53:00,600
Speaker 12: like the way Teddy Atlas was talking my wars like

1225
00:53:00,640 --> 00:53:02,280
Speaker 12: that's how I want to talk to my fighters.

1226
00:53:02,640 --> 00:53:03,399
Speaker 5: That's how I.

1227
00:53:03,360 --> 00:53:05,480
Speaker 12: Want to talk to people like on the school like

1228
00:53:05,560 --> 00:53:07,799
Speaker 12: get your ass up and fight, That's what I want

1229
00:53:07,840 --> 00:53:10,799
Speaker 12: to do. But as soft as I was in that point,

1230
00:53:10,880 --> 00:53:13,359
Speaker 12: you see, you saw the reaction, like you can even

1231
00:53:13,640 --> 00:53:16,320
Speaker 12: guys will talk about the UFC here people are getting

1232
00:53:16,320 --> 00:53:19,040
Speaker 12: elbowed in the face, that are getting need in the faces,

1233
00:53:19,120 --> 00:53:21,840
Speaker 12: brain damage, and people are upset because I'm pushing a

1234
00:53:21,880 --> 00:53:25,960
Speaker 12: guy who's tired. You shouldn't be watching the UFC, that simple, right.

1235
00:53:25,920 --> 00:53:27,080
Speaker 6: You know? Right?

1236
00:53:27,719 --> 00:53:32,480
Speaker 8: So, in terms of Max's fighting future, because I think

1237
00:53:32,520 --> 00:53:34,160
Speaker 8: for a lot of us who were getting ready to

1238
00:53:34,200 --> 00:53:37,200
Speaker 8: call his fight, like we were excited to see the future,

1239
00:53:37,400 --> 00:53:40,279
Speaker 8: were you and his manager Brian Butler expected that he

1240
00:53:40,360 --> 00:53:42,719
Speaker 8: might get cut And is there anything you can offer

1241
00:53:42,800 --> 00:53:45,760
Speaker 8: us in terms of what he might choose to do next?

1242
00:53:46,040 --> 00:53:47,640
Speaker 5: Yeah, we were back and forth on it.

1243
00:53:48,280 --> 00:53:50,719
Speaker 12: You know, I thought that, you know, there was a

1244
00:53:50,840 --> 00:53:52,719
Speaker 12: part of the UFC that thought that there was a

1245
00:53:52,800 --> 00:53:56,160
Speaker 12: comeback story in the making. And as a business, UFC

1246
00:53:56,280 --> 00:53:58,240
Speaker 12: understands that it's not just about the quality of the fighters.

1247
00:53:58,239 --> 00:54:00,040
Speaker 5: There has to be a story. The story sells them.

1248
00:54:00,040 --> 00:54:02,160
Speaker 12: More than the technique, you know, the very few people

1249
00:54:02,200 --> 00:54:05,320
Speaker 12: can to appreciate technique by itself, And I think Max's

1250
00:54:05,400 --> 00:54:07,720
Speaker 12: story is a great story. And they saw comeback because

1251
00:54:07,719 --> 00:54:09,960
Speaker 12: he has a good reputation amongst people who have trained

1252
00:54:09,960 --> 00:54:11,920
Speaker 12: with him. Everyone speaks very highly of them. Right, He's

1253
00:54:11,960 --> 00:54:15,040
Speaker 12: a monster on the mass, So it's not lack of potential.

1254
00:54:15,160 --> 00:54:17,120
Speaker 12: So there's a part of me that's hoping, Okay, the

1255
00:54:17,160 --> 00:54:19,719
Speaker 12: UFC is going to sense that comeback story and that

1256
00:54:19,719 --> 00:54:22,080
Speaker 12: that would be a great story for the fans. But

1257
00:54:22,120 --> 00:54:23,600
Speaker 12: at the same time, it creates a bit of a

1258
00:54:23,640 --> 00:54:26,400
Speaker 12: liability for them because if he does that again, then

1259
00:54:26,440 --> 00:54:28,120
Speaker 12: the UFC is going to look bad, right because they

1260
00:54:28,160 --> 00:54:30,719
Speaker 12: should have like cut him when he first did it, right,

1261
00:54:30,840 --> 00:54:32,879
Speaker 12: So it's a bit of a problem for them.

1262
00:54:32,920 --> 00:54:35,200
Speaker 5: So, yeah, he's been cut, but we have hopes he

1263
00:54:35,200 --> 00:54:35,759
Speaker 5: will be back.

1264
00:54:35,880 --> 00:54:37,719
Speaker 12: You know, we didn't speak and see and I think

1265
00:54:37,719 --> 00:54:40,440
Speaker 12: that a fighter too, you know, things going according to

1266
00:54:40,480 --> 00:54:41,560
Speaker 12: Plant should be back in there.

1267
00:54:41,600 --> 00:54:42,720
Speaker 5: He's not done.

1268
00:54:42,760 --> 00:54:44,920
Speaker 8: All right, last thing before I get to the documentary

1269
00:54:44,960 --> 00:54:48,239
Speaker 8: Closed Guard the origins of jiu jitsu in Brazil. So

1270
00:54:48,440 --> 00:54:52,759
Speaker 8: Robert fallis cornered you obviously and in your loan UFC fight,

1271
00:54:52,960 --> 00:54:55,319
Speaker 8: and as a friend of his, I'd be remiss if

1272
00:54:55,320 --> 00:54:57,719
Speaker 8: I didn't at least bring him up and ask, you

1273
00:54:57,760 --> 00:55:01,719
Speaker 8: know how that passing affected you and you know how

1274
00:55:01,760 --> 00:55:03,839
Speaker 8: you've sort of moved on from that, because it still

1275
00:55:03,840 --> 00:55:08,200
Speaker 8: feels like this just huge loss for the community. He

1276
00:55:08,320 --> 00:55:11,319
Speaker 8: was just sort of such a unique guy and I

1277
00:55:11,400 --> 00:55:13,319
Speaker 8: just wanted to ask you about Robert before we move on.

1278
00:55:14,280 --> 00:55:16,440
Speaker 5: You know, Rob Follis was, Yeah, he was my coach

1279
00:55:16,480 --> 00:55:17,239
Speaker 5: for a minute there.

1280
00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:21,640
Speaker 12: You know, it's funny, man, because I admired for Technically,

1281
00:55:21,680 --> 00:55:23,239
Speaker 12: we disagreed all the time, Like he tried to get

1282
00:55:23,239 --> 00:55:25,520
Speaker 12: me to do stuff, and because I'm I have my

1283
00:55:25,520 --> 00:55:27,080
Speaker 12: own style of jiu jitsu and he tried me to

1284
00:55:27,080 --> 00:55:27,520
Speaker 12: do things.

1285
00:55:27,640 --> 00:55:30,439
Speaker 5: It was more like a team quest style, like that's

1286
00:55:30,440 --> 00:55:32,360
Speaker 5: not how I fight, but it was. It was never contentious.

1287
00:55:32,400 --> 00:55:34,959
Speaker 12: It was always like technical disagreements on how I should fight.

1288
00:55:35,880 --> 00:55:38,840
Speaker 12: But you know, I think that that was a guy who.

1289
00:55:38,719 --> 00:55:39,680
Speaker 5: Really loved coaching.

1290
00:55:39,719 --> 00:55:42,680
Speaker 12: Man Like, it's very rare that you see someone who

1291
00:55:42,920 --> 00:55:44,759
Speaker 12: I think he loved it so much. It was it

1292
00:55:44,840 --> 00:55:46,719
Speaker 12: was one of those coaches that was so passionate and

1293
00:55:46,800 --> 00:55:48,920
Speaker 12: do it for free and ended up shooting himself in

1294
00:55:48,960 --> 00:55:51,600
Speaker 12: the foot and allowed people to take advantage of him

1295
00:55:51,600 --> 00:55:54,080
Speaker 12: because he was so passionate, like you never and you

1296
00:55:54,160 --> 00:55:55,680
Speaker 12: have to kind of put your foot down, like this

1297
00:55:55,719 --> 00:55:57,520
Speaker 12: is my value, take it or leave, and if you

1298
00:55:57,520 --> 00:55:59,120
Speaker 12: don't appreciate it, I'm gonna go somewhere else.

1299
00:55:59,160 --> 00:56:00,439
Speaker 5: And you have to do that a coach.

1300
00:56:00,760 --> 00:56:02,239
Speaker 12: And I have a hard time doing that because I

1301
00:56:02,280 --> 00:56:05,320
Speaker 12: love teaching so much, right, But guy like falls, I

1302
00:56:05,320 --> 00:56:05,640
Speaker 12: think he.

1303
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Speaker 5: Gave himself too much.

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Speaker 12: And it's funny because, like maybe a week or two

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Speaker 12: before you know, he committed suicide, he actually reached out

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Speaker 12: to me. We regrebbed lunch and we were talking about

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Speaker 12: him coming back to the gym and being head and

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Speaker 12: and make coach drive of jiu jitsu, and I was like,

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Speaker 12: let's do this. But you know, it was one of

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Speaker 12: those things where I'm like, yeah, let's do this. We

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Speaker 12: spoke after lunch. We continue to talk. But I wasn't

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Speaker 12: like insisting, let's do this, let's do this. I kind

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Speaker 12: of let it, you know, Okay, let's let's keep talking

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Speaker 12: about it. And then, like you know, a few days later,

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Speaker 12: he committed suicide. And of course that leaves me with

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Speaker 12: the last people who actually sit down and talk to him.

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Speaker 5: And I wish I could have done something different, but

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Speaker 5: you never know. It was just a lunch.

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Speaker 12: I didn't know what was going on, but I think

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Speaker 12: deep down he's I mean, there might have been more

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Speaker 12: going on. I don't know the details, but I think

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Speaker 12: I think he felt underappreciated, you know, And I think

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Speaker 12: that I could have done something there too. I think

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Speaker 12: everyone who knew him could have done something to prevent that.

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Speaker 12: But you never know, man like people, you never know

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Speaker 12: what people are. Man Like someone reaches out to you, man,

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Speaker 12: you've got to treat them like it's the last time

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Speaker 8: That's well put man, all right, Well, I'm excited for

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Speaker 8: this documentary. So you're the executive producer, among other things, writer, director,

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Speaker 8: close guard the Origins of jiu Jitsu in Brazil. So

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Speaker 8: the book is out, documentary coming out soon. So you

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Speaker 8: just saw the trailer for the first time before we

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Speaker 8: take this interview.

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Speaker 11: Is that right?

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Speaker 5: That was correct?

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Speaker 12: That was in the process of watching it because we've

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Speaker 12: been working on it. We wanted to put it on

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Speaker 12: the show here as.

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Speaker 6: I know it was.

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Speaker 12: And so I've never seen the trailer before. I mean,

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Speaker 12: I was a mid trailer when you guys.

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Speaker 8: Called all right, So we're gonna let you go finish

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Speaker 8: that trailer. But we appreciate your time. We're excited to

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Speaker 8: see you back on the road. And on the backside,

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Speaker 8: we're going to show a sneak peak to our viewers

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Speaker 8: and listeners here.

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Speaker 3: But best of luck, man.

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Speaker 8: Seriously, a project that I think a lot of people

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Speaker 8: are going to want to dive into. And very gracious

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Speaker 8: with your time today, sir. We appreciate it.

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Speaker 6: Thank you, man.

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Speaker 5: I appreciate the opportunity.

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Speaker 8: There he is Robert, your Idale heavy hitters have a

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Speaker 8: All right, a lot of predictions to make, not really

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Speaker 8: only three. But to that end, let's get to the

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Speaker 8: All right, and we are now joined by the duck

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Speaker 8: Ian Parker on social media at Ian Parker MMA. Before

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Speaker 8: we get to the predictions, we will bring in our producer,

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Speaker 8: our chief marketing officer Merrow Marketing Veracity Media Group's Cody

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Speaker 8: Merrow is with us. This is your segment, kid, this

1452
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Speaker 8: is when we put the blue eyes on camera. You're

1453
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Speaker 8: in all your glory. Pronunciation of the week. It's good

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Speaker 8: to see a kid.

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Speaker 13: Hey, we're ready to go. I'm gonna put that writing

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Speaker 13: minor to work, baby.

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Speaker 3: I know you are.

1458
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Speaker 8: See you're so focused on the job at hand. We

1459
01:02:36,520 --> 01:02:39,840
Speaker 8: gave you the one to know. Pretty generous, generous of us.

1460
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Speaker 8: I should say that you're sitting here, want to know.

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Speaker 8: All right, So this fighter is a knockout artist set

1462
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Speaker 8: to make his third UFC appearance this Saturday night on

1463
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Speaker 8: the main card on ESPN Plus against Michelle Pareeda.

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Speaker 3: Cody Merrow, of whom am I speaking?

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Speaker 13: You were speaking of zeleem Imadaiev.

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Speaker 3: All right, let's hear uh, let's hear him.

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Speaker 6: Say Zelen was Zelen? Was that?

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Speaker 10: I would say he he was a little closer with

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Speaker 10: the last name that he was with the first name.

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Speaker 10: I think the first name kind of threw him off

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Speaker 10: and then just.

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Speaker 11: Uh, I can't give it to him. That's a note

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Speaker 11: for me.

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Speaker 2: Dog, I heard a lot more than that first name

1475
01:03:26,800 --> 01:03:29,880
Speaker 2: attached to that first name. I don't I don't know

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01:03:29,920 --> 01:03:31,920
Speaker 2: what the guy even said. Is his first name Cody?

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Speaker 11: All right?

1478
01:03:32,480 --> 01:03:35,120
Speaker 2: Right, you got that second half spot on that first half.

1479
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Speaker 2: I don't think it's your fault. His whole middle name

1480
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Speaker 2: attached to his first name was fucking silent. So that's

1481
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Speaker 2: a tough one, oh man. So I mean that that

1482
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Speaker 2: that that listen. I'm not going to defend Cody on

1483
01:03:47,600 --> 01:03:50,760
Speaker 2: last week's like kindergarten last name. This week, though, I

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Speaker 2: will defend him a little bit that name. Even if

1485
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Speaker 2: he got it right. What was that middle stuff he

1486
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Speaker 2: was saying?

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Speaker 8: So Ian, we know, respectfully on this program, you are

1488
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Speaker 8: not the authority when it comes to pronunciations.

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Speaker 3: I'm not even sure why I asked you, right, I.

1490
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Speaker 2: Was on mute. I was like to keep me out

1491
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Speaker 2: of this shit because.

1492
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Speaker 11: I'm not getting it right.

1493
01:04:07,120 --> 01:04:09,360
Speaker 8: What's funny about Kemflo is that you know, everybody thinks

1494
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Speaker 8: of me as the pronunciation god when it's like that

1495
01:04:11,600 --> 01:04:14,000
Speaker 8: dude is fucking king when it comes to inflection and

1496
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Speaker 8: speaks partially like six languages.

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Speaker 3: But Kemflow, you're absolutely right.

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Speaker 8: And by the way, if you're watching on TV here,

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Speaker 8: you know how excited Kemflo gets for the pronunciation.

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Speaker 3: Of the week because it's so goddamn in his wheelhouse.

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Speaker 8: And your your name is not seleem Uh, it's Zellamy

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Speaker 8: Mediev so Cody. Unfortunately that brings you down to one

1503
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Speaker 8: and one. But again, I mean, I know how much

1504
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Speaker 8: you put into this kid, and we just try to

1505
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Speaker 8: throw it on camera every chance we get.

1506
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Speaker 13: You know, well, I'm gonna tell you why Kenny loves

1507
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Speaker 13: the segment is because I'm from New England, baby, and

1508
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Speaker 13: that's how we go. We're still repping the Bees tonight,

1509
01:04:44,920 --> 01:04:46,800
Speaker 13: so I might be one on one, but I'll take it.

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Speaker 13: I'll take the l Hopefully the Bees can come back

1511
01:04:49,120 --> 01:04:51,320
Speaker 13: and get us back on track. Ian last week you

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Speaker 13: said I looked like Robert Pattinson, Robert Pattins batman.

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Speaker 11: Bro I'll take it, well, I.

1514
01:04:58,760 --> 01:05:02,520
Speaker 2: Mean I said twilight. I kept it pretty open. But sure,

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Speaker 2: if that helps you sleep at.

1516
01:05:03,960 --> 01:05:04,480
Speaker 6: Night, that's fine.

1517
01:05:04,480 --> 01:05:06,040
Speaker 2: I don't know what being from Boston has to do

1518
01:05:06,040 --> 01:05:09,080
Speaker 2: with the pronunciation of the week, cooling Boston. I don't

1519
01:05:09,080 --> 01:05:13,880
Speaker 2: get you. His eyes are so dreamy though, it's bothering me.

1520
01:05:14,240 --> 01:05:17,160
Speaker 8: Cody on the show, Cody, you got a you got

1521
01:05:17,160 --> 01:05:19,640
Speaker 8: a hot microphone anytime you want to chime in, we

1522
01:05:19,680 --> 01:05:20,240
Speaker 8: appreciate that.

1523
01:05:20,280 --> 01:05:22,920
Speaker 3: But you fall to one and one, and uh.

1524
01:05:23,200 --> 01:05:25,480
Speaker 8: That brings us to the main event challenge, and I

1525
01:05:25,480 --> 01:05:28,040
Speaker 8: think I got the scoreboard right here. So Team Florian

1526
01:05:28,680 --> 01:05:30,760
Speaker 8: let it one O seven to one hundred going into

1527
01:05:30,760 --> 01:05:33,800
Speaker 8: the UFC Fight Night Smith versus Rockets. But courtesy of

1528
01:05:33,840 --> 01:05:37,280
Speaker 8: Ian Parker's selection of Neil Magny by decision, that's a

1529
01:05:37,280 --> 01:05:42,000
Speaker 8: three point hit. Team Thanos wins the week for one.

1530
01:05:42,880 --> 01:05:45,000
Speaker 8: It's one O eight one oh four. We're chipping away.

1531
01:05:45,040 --> 01:05:47,800
Speaker 8: I like that team Thanos. Right, that's your new dog.

1532
01:05:47,880 --> 01:05:49,920
Speaker 8: That's gonna be three hundred pounds, right, Ian.

1533
01:05:50,720 --> 01:05:53,440
Speaker 2: He's fourteen weeks forty eight pounds. Took him to the vent.

1534
01:05:53,520 --> 01:05:56,040
Speaker 2: He's uh, he's a fucking boose, he really is.

1535
01:05:56,440 --> 01:05:58,920
Speaker 8: I had Team Parker in the script and I just

1536
01:05:58,960 --> 01:06:01,520
Speaker 8: couldn't bring myself to say Team Parker, you're the captain

1537
01:06:01,560 --> 01:06:03,080
Speaker 8: of Team Annik. But I think we might have to

1538
01:06:03,120 --> 01:06:06,480
Speaker 8: go team thanouse. Either way, you're chipping away. It's one

1539
01:06:06,480 --> 01:06:09,160
Speaker 8: o eight, one oh four. And it seemed like, actually

1540
01:06:09,280 --> 01:06:11,600
Speaker 8: last week you kind of liked Robbie Lawler. Maybe you

1541
01:06:11,720 --> 01:06:13,440
Speaker 8: liked the value of plus two hundred. But correct me

1542
01:06:13,440 --> 01:06:17,000
Speaker 8: if I'm wrong. Strategically, the favorite the Chalky play was there,

1543
01:06:17,080 --> 01:06:18,240
Speaker 8: Kemp Flo left it for you.

1544
01:06:19,120 --> 01:06:21,840
Speaker 3: That's a big three points, man, I'm telling you, I like.

1545
01:06:21,800 --> 01:06:24,000
Speaker 2: You to also share. What was the text message I

1546
01:06:24,000 --> 01:06:25,640
Speaker 2: sent to you right before the card? What was I

1547
01:06:25,680 --> 01:06:30,920
Speaker 2: gonna do? I'll get to switch it to racket by decision.

1548
01:06:31,080 --> 01:06:34,160
Speaker 2: And the only reason why I didn't with strategy because

1549
01:06:34,160 --> 01:06:35,920
Speaker 2: if he hit Smith there after I hit.

1550
01:06:35,840 --> 01:06:38,120
Speaker 6: Magni right right, I would.

1551
01:06:37,960 --> 01:06:40,560
Speaker 2: Have washed it. So all right, I took off, I walked,

1552
01:06:40,560 --> 01:06:42,120
Speaker 2: I took my chips, I walked away from the table.

1553
01:06:42,160 --> 01:06:43,240
Speaker 11: Let's go all right.

1554
01:06:43,320 --> 01:06:47,520
Speaker 8: Well, hopefully by this point in time, the Boston Bruins

1555
01:06:47,520 --> 01:06:49,600
Speaker 8: have not been eliminated, and hopefully we don't lose any

1556
01:06:49,600 --> 01:06:52,080
Speaker 8: more fights. As of this taping, there are nine total

1557
01:06:52,120 --> 01:06:56,040
Speaker 8: confirmed fights for this weekend. Otherwise, notice a broadcaster's dream

1558
01:06:56,040 --> 01:06:58,480
Speaker 8: first pick for us will be at welterweight. Tight on

1559
01:06:58,480 --> 01:07:00,880
Speaker 8: the number here, men, Michelle Padata on his one fifteen

1560
01:07:01,040 --> 01:07:04,240
Speaker 8: zellam Imadia minus one oh five Ian Parker, Who do you.

1561
01:07:04,280 --> 01:07:09,280
Speaker 2: Have uh you know what looking at uh shoving Aboo

1562
01:07:09,320 --> 01:07:10,880
Speaker 2: Boo's last couple of fights.

1563
01:07:10,960 --> 01:07:12,080
Speaker 3: You know, I really.

1564
01:07:11,920 --> 01:07:16,560
Speaker 2: Uh you know, it doesn't feel I hate to say

1565
01:07:16,560 --> 01:07:19,400
Speaker 2: this at the UFC level for me against somebody who

1566
01:07:19,480 --> 01:07:22,000
Speaker 2: is well rounded when they're not doing backflips off the

1567
01:07:22,000 --> 01:07:25,040
Speaker 2: cage and burning their tank on crazy tricks. We saw

1568
01:07:25,120 --> 01:07:28,080
Speaker 2: against Daniel Roberts the strength, the athleticism.

1569
01:07:28,120 --> 01:07:29,880
Speaker 6: Then his fight against.

1570
01:07:29,560 --> 01:07:31,840
Speaker 2: I forget the Canadian kid that came in went up

1571
01:07:31,840 --> 01:07:34,240
Speaker 2: and beat him. We just saw that the cockiness, and

1572
01:07:34,280 --> 01:07:36,520
Speaker 2: we saw that the tank he blew his gas tank,

1573
01:07:36,560 --> 01:07:39,200
Speaker 2: simple as that. Then against Diego Sanchez. Not that Diego

1574
01:07:39,200 --> 01:07:42,720
Speaker 2: Sanchez is the same guy that was dominant one point

1575
01:07:42,720 --> 01:07:44,400
Speaker 2: at one point, but we kind of saw a different

1576
01:07:44,480 --> 01:07:46,720
Speaker 2: level of IQ there. You know, he wasn't always going

1577
01:07:46,760 --> 01:07:48,600
Speaker 2: for and he wasn't throwing all of his energy into

1578
01:07:48,600 --> 01:07:51,720
Speaker 2: every punch. He wasn't throwing crazy backflips. I think if

1579
01:07:51,760 --> 01:07:53,760
Speaker 2: he does not get in a brawl and he uses

1580
01:07:53,800 --> 01:07:56,680
Speaker 2: his actual skills, not the circus solace shit that he does,

1581
01:07:57,080 --> 01:08:00,600
Speaker 2: his actual jiu jitsu, his actual boxing, this is a

1582
01:08:00,600 --> 01:08:03,520
Speaker 2: fight that he absolutely should win. Go watch his opponent.

1583
01:08:03,560 --> 01:08:05,280
Speaker 2: I'm not even gonna try to pronounce his name, so Cody,

1584
01:08:05,280 --> 01:08:07,600
Speaker 2: I'll give you the point, But go watch his last

1585
01:08:07,640 --> 01:08:10,080
Speaker 2: couple of fights. Against Danny Roberts. In the first round,

1586
01:08:10,240 --> 01:08:12,120
Speaker 2: he had his moments and then he just kind of

1587
01:08:12,720 --> 01:08:15,160
Speaker 2: he just let it go. And against Pejeda, you can't

1588
01:08:15,240 --> 01:08:17,840
Speaker 2: let any moment slip through your fingers because he's so unpredictable.

1589
01:08:17,880 --> 01:08:20,640
Speaker 2: So I'm actually surprised it's only minus one fifteen. I

1590
01:08:20,680 --> 01:08:22,400
Speaker 2: thought he would have been a minus one eighty five year.

1591
01:08:22,439 --> 01:08:26,719
Speaker 8: I'm going to beta seventy cents cheaper than Ian Parker

1592
01:08:26,760 --> 01:08:28,559
Speaker 8: thought he was gonna have to pay at the window.

1593
01:08:29,280 --> 01:08:31,519
Speaker 8: That window behind Ian Parker, by the way, is actually

1594
01:08:31,600 --> 01:08:34,120
Speaker 8: his betting window. He just turns around and puts money

1595
01:08:34,120 --> 01:08:35,599
Speaker 8: into that fucking event behind him.

1596
01:08:35,840 --> 01:08:37,960
Speaker 3: Ken Flow Paeda is a wild man.

1597
01:08:38,600 --> 01:08:41,960
Speaker 8: Last fight the DQ loss against Diego Sanchez in February.

1598
01:08:42,000 --> 01:08:43,840
Speaker 8: Prior to that, he was upset by the Canadian that

1599
01:08:43,880 --> 01:08:47,080
Speaker 8: he had mentioned Tristan Connolly imadvoh and two in the UFC.

1600
01:08:47,360 --> 01:08:49,400
Speaker 8: So he came into the UFC eight no with eight

1601
01:08:49,479 --> 01:08:53,000
Speaker 8: knockouts I believe, and hasn't found the knockout stroke. Yet,

1602
01:08:53,040 --> 01:08:54,960
Speaker 8: what do you think about Padta and Imadia?

1603
01:08:55,520 --> 01:08:59,280
Speaker 10: Yeah, Ima dive you know, really doesn't I don't know

1604
01:08:59,320 --> 01:09:03,000
Speaker 10: if he's approaching his UFC career a little differently, doesn't

1605
01:09:03,040 --> 01:09:06,280
Speaker 10: make the best decisions. I think he can he can

1606
01:09:06,560 --> 01:09:08,840
Speaker 10: maybe win this fight because Pareta does a lot of

1607
01:09:09,120 --> 01:09:13,360
Speaker 10: silly things, sometimes gets overly aggressive or overly excited. I

1608
01:09:13,360 --> 01:09:16,439
Speaker 10: think he's trying to find that balance. But if both

1609
01:09:16,479 --> 01:09:19,439
Speaker 10: guys bring their skills and fight the fight that they're

1610
01:09:19,479 --> 01:09:22,599
Speaker 10: supposed to, I think Pareta should win this fight, all right.

1611
01:09:22,600 --> 01:09:24,519
Speaker 8: Cole main event will need the round of the method

1612
01:09:24,520 --> 01:09:27,120
Speaker 8: of victory. We will have Kenneth Allen Floory in lead

1613
01:09:27,320 --> 01:09:30,120
Speaker 8: the dance here. So you guys made a pick on

1614
01:09:30,120 --> 01:09:32,479
Speaker 8: this fight a couple of weeks ago, but Owen sin

1615
01:09:32,560 --> 01:09:36,000
Speaker 8: protested positive for COVID nineteen. Now it shall be done,

1616
01:09:36,200 --> 01:09:40,760
Speaker 8: we hope this Saturday, September fifth. Alonzo Manafield minus one

1617
01:09:40,920 --> 01:09:44,320
Speaker 8: thirty OSP plus one ten Ken flo What do you think?

1618
01:09:45,160 --> 01:09:48,320
Speaker 10: OSP has a ton of experience, you know, and I

1619
01:09:48,439 --> 01:09:50,200
Speaker 10: know he has some skills on the ground that can

1620
01:09:50,280 --> 01:09:53,880
Speaker 10: post some problems from Metafield. But unless Menafield makes a

1621
01:09:54,000 --> 01:09:58,280
Speaker 10: big mistake. I think Menafield should win this fight. I

1622
01:09:58,400 --> 01:10:00,479
Speaker 10: see him winning by decision. I think he's going to

1623
01:10:00,560 --> 01:10:03,799
Speaker 10: utilize a lot of leg kicks out there, attack the body.

1624
01:10:04,520 --> 01:10:05,839
Speaker 11: I think he's the better striker.

1625
01:10:06,040 --> 01:10:08,599
Speaker 10: OSP just has it evolved as a mixed martial arts

1626
01:10:08,680 --> 01:10:12,479
Speaker 10: fighter like I would have liked. And I think the

1627
01:10:12,640 --> 01:10:15,400
Speaker 10: speed advantage for Metafield will be significant out there, and

1628
01:10:15,880 --> 01:10:17,080
Speaker 10: I like Metfield.

1629
01:10:16,680 --> 01:10:17,679
Speaker 11: To get the win by decision.

1630
01:10:18,439 --> 01:10:19,920
Speaker 8: Ian Parker, what do you have for us on the

1631
01:10:19,960 --> 01:10:24,760
Speaker 8: comin event, Buddy, I was sticking to my guns here.

1632
01:10:26,000 --> 01:10:30,599
Speaker 2: OSP has fought way better competition than Alonzo Menfield has.

1633
01:10:30,640 --> 01:10:32,720
Speaker 2: That last fight against Devin Clark kind of showed that

1634
01:10:32,760 --> 01:10:34,400
Speaker 2: if he doesn't get the knock out in the first round,

1635
01:10:34,800 --> 01:10:36,599
Speaker 2: he kind of struggles with the game plan. I think

1636
01:10:36,640 --> 01:10:39,080
Speaker 2: he's with a really good team. But I think sometimes

1637
01:10:39,120 --> 01:10:41,160
Speaker 2: when you get in there, it doesn't matter who's in

1638
01:10:41,280 --> 01:10:43,120
Speaker 2: your corner. You're the one fighting, You're the one making

1639
01:10:43,120 --> 01:10:46,559
Speaker 2: the decisions. OSP fought at heavyweight against Ben Rothwell, took

1640
01:10:46,640 --> 01:10:48,840
Speaker 2: a lot of shots and did not get knocked out.

1641
01:10:49,160 --> 01:10:51,080
Speaker 2: He also almost finished that fight a couple of times

1642
01:10:51,080 --> 01:10:53,840
Speaker 2: against someone way bigger, and I think Rothwell with his

1643
01:10:54,000 --> 01:10:56,240
Speaker 2: unpredictable striking and the fact that he has a jiu

1644
01:10:56,280 --> 01:10:59,679
Speaker 2: jitsu threat to him in a takedown game that made

1645
01:11:00,240 --> 01:11:02,639
Speaker 2: OSP's life a lot harder. Mennfield, you know what he's

1646
01:11:02,640 --> 01:11:04,519
Speaker 2: gonna do. I'm not even worried about the leg kicks

1647
01:11:04,560 --> 01:11:06,240
Speaker 2: from Mendfield, to be honest with you, I'm just worried

1648
01:11:06,240 --> 01:11:09,560
Speaker 2: about his explosive power. I think OSP knows here not

1649
01:11:09,680 --> 01:11:11,479
Speaker 2: to get into a brawl with him. You don't see

1650
01:11:11,560 --> 01:11:13,960
Speaker 2: him brawl too often. If he could actually utilize his

1651
01:11:14,160 --> 01:11:16,880
Speaker 2: leg kicks get that fight to the ground. I'm still

1652
01:11:16,920 --> 01:11:19,160
Speaker 2: going second round vomb flute choke. I think that he

1653
01:11:19,280 --> 01:11:20,840
Speaker 2: is going to tire him out in the clinch against

1654
01:11:20,840 --> 01:11:23,240
Speaker 2: the cage eventually get into the floor, and there is

1655
01:11:23,320 --> 01:11:26,240
Speaker 2: a huge difference in the ground game between these two fighters.

1656
01:11:26,479 --> 01:11:30,160
Speaker 2: So I will still take OSP bomb flute choke second round.

1657
01:11:30,720 --> 01:11:31,080
Speaker 6: All right.

1658
01:11:31,160 --> 01:11:33,320
Speaker 8: I like when you guys disagree, makes fight that more

1659
01:11:33,360 --> 01:11:36,000
Speaker 8: exciting for me, even though you guys fucking ever text

1660
01:11:36,080 --> 01:11:37,680
Speaker 8: me text me back, yo, know I'm sitting at that

1661
01:11:37,760 --> 01:11:39,360
Speaker 8: table all nine fucking text me all right.

1662
01:11:39,479 --> 01:11:42,120
Speaker 2: Main event, shit, I tell you all the time.

1663
01:11:42,600 --> 01:11:46,320
Speaker 8: Fourth consecutive UFC main event for Alistair Rovarim. He is

1664
01:11:46,400 --> 01:11:48,960
Speaker 8: the minus one seventy five or so favored here against

1665
01:11:49,000 --> 01:11:53,360
Speaker 8: the lesser known but very dangerous kid from Coodi Chiba, Brazil,

1666
01:11:53,760 --> 01:11:57,280
Speaker 8: Augusto Sakai. Sakai plus one fifty five is four to

1667
01:11:57,400 --> 01:11:59,280
Speaker 8: zero in the UFC, and but two of those wins

1668
01:11:59,600 --> 01:12:02,759
Speaker 8: have been of the split decision variety against now andre

1669
01:12:03,040 --> 01:12:06,040
Speaker 8: Arlovsky and Blagoy Ivanov. What do you think here about

1670
01:12:06,040 --> 01:12:07,000
Speaker 8: the heavyweight main event?

1671
01:12:07,080 --> 01:12:07,479
Speaker 6: Who wins?

1672
01:12:07,479 --> 01:12:08,280
Speaker 3: How do they get it done?

1673
01:12:09,400 --> 01:12:11,560
Speaker 2: I still have nightmares from Kenny winning that by a

1674
01:12:11,560 --> 01:12:16,360
Speaker 2: split decision aka cage grab. Listen, Takai doesn't grab that cage.

1675
01:12:16,760 --> 01:12:19,880
Speaker 2: He loses terribly in that fight. I mean he pulled

1676
01:12:19,920 --> 01:12:22,840
Speaker 2: the cage off the ground by holding cock like it

1677
01:12:23,000 --> 01:12:25,960
Speaker 2: was the worst thing I've ever seen in the cage

1678
01:12:26,200 --> 01:12:28,160
Speaker 2: outside of that guy who got released, who kicked what's

1679
01:12:28,200 --> 01:12:29,800
Speaker 2: his name of the nuts five times in one round

1680
01:12:29,800 --> 01:12:33,719
Speaker 2: and didn't get qualified. To me, this is a complete mismatch.

1681
01:12:33,840 --> 01:12:36,439
Speaker 2: I am so confused to how these lines. I mean,

1682
01:12:36,560 --> 01:12:40,160
Speaker 2: unless overrehim has COVID a staff infection and lost one

1683
01:12:40,160 --> 01:12:43,120
Speaker 2: of his testicles, I don't really understand at all where

1684
01:12:43,160 --> 01:12:46,040
Speaker 2: this line's at. I think he's better everywhere. You know,

1685
01:12:46,160 --> 01:12:49,320
Speaker 2: Sakai is a really tough guy, and he persevered against

1686
01:12:49,360 --> 01:12:52,679
Speaker 2: the takedowns from Blogoi even off. But we're talking about

1687
01:12:52,680 --> 01:12:55,040
Speaker 2: I'll stay over him here, who really still hasn't looked bad.

1688
01:12:55,120 --> 01:12:58,960
Speaker 2: He was dominating rosen Strike up until that last punch

1689
01:12:59,080 --> 01:13:01,600
Speaker 2: of the round. You know, when Overream seems to have

1690
01:13:01,680 --> 01:13:04,479
Speaker 2: his back against the wall, he seems to be get smarter,

1691
01:13:04,680 --> 01:13:06,599
Speaker 2: and he doesn't get into the brawls. He doesn't want

1692
01:13:06,600 --> 01:13:08,840
Speaker 2: to get hit, which is where Sakai will present the

1693
01:13:09,680 --> 01:13:12,200
Speaker 2: child the danger. He's gonna take Sakai to the ground.

1694
01:13:12,280 --> 01:13:14,080
Speaker 2: And the thing is is that even though we all

1695
01:13:14,120 --> 01:13:15,800
Speaker 2: know he could do it, no one ever thinks that

1696
01:13:15,920 --> 01:13:17,880
Speaker 2: over Him will do it. He'll use that push kick

1697
01:13:17,920 --> 01:13:19,680
Speaker 2: to the stomach. You know, he'll try to use that

1698
01:13:19,720 --> 01:13:22,080
Speaker 2: clinch game. I think he's gonna be the stronger guy here.

1699
01:13:22,840 --> 01:13:24,840
Speaker 2: I'm so thrown off by these odds. I gotta be

1700
01:13:24,920 --> 01:13:26,640
Speaker 2: honest with you. I thought Sakai was gonna be like

1701
01:13:26,680 --> 01:13:29,120
Speaker 2: a plus two ten plus two twenty five just based

1702
01:13:29,160 --> 01:13:31,639
Speaker 2: on competition low. It's not like Overhim is one hundred

1703
01:13:31,720 --> 01:13:34,120
Speaker 2: years old and everyone in heavyweight takes a shit ton

1704
01:13:34,160 --> 01:13:38,000
Speaker 2: of damage. So it is a five rounder. Also, they

1705
01:13:38,120 --> 01:13:40,400
Speaker 2: choose another five rounder heavyweight fight, right, Is that what

1706
01:13:40,479 --> 01:13:40,960
Speaker 2: we're doing here?

1707
01:13:41,040 --> 01:13:41,559
Speaker 5: Five rounds?

1708
01:13:42,000 --> 01:13:43,479
Speaker 2: Yeah? Well, I was trying to pull a Kenny and

1709
01:13:43,520 --> 01:13:45,080
Speaker 2: pretend like I didn't have to make a method of

1710
01:13:45,120 --> 01:13:48,800
Speaker 2: victory here. I'm gonna go Alistair overim. I'm gonna go.

1711
01:13:49,920 --> 01:13:51,240
Speaker 11: And is he gonna finish this guy?

1712
01:13:51,320 --> 01:13:53,679
Speaker 2: I don't know, give me overhim by decision at the moment,

1713
01:13:53,760 --> 01:13:55,920
Speaker 2: I may change that to finish. But I really like

1714
01:13:56,040 --> 01:13:57,559
Speaker 2: Alistair Overreim here, I really do.

1715
01:13:59,040 --> 01:14:01,000
Speaker 8: All right, a lot of convictions and behind that overream

1716
01:14:01,040 --> 01:14:04,080
Speaker 8: selection little oveream love here can flow and then I

1717
01:14:04,120 --> 01:14:06,800
Speaker 8: will lay out for your prediction. So there wouldn't have

1718
01:14:06,840 --> 01:14:08,560
Speaker 8: been a lot of people who would have said it

1719
01:14:08,760 --> 01:14:12,519
Speaker 8: was a premature stoppage. Had the referee stop, that Walt

1720
01:14:12,640 --> 01:14:15,439
Speaker 8: Harris fight could have been called in round one. I mean,

1721
01:14:15,479 --> 01:14:19,800
Speaker 8: he was getting absolutely bludget, but again showed off the toughness, right, Like,

1722
01:14:19,920 --> 01:14:21,639
Speaker 8: I really do believe in this guy's heart.

1723
01:14:21,680 --> 01:14:22,639
Speaker 3: I believe in his chin.

1724
01:14:23,479 --> 01:14:26,000
Speaker 8: And again you mentioned that shot from Rosen strike that

1725
01:14:26,040 --> 01:14:28,240
Speaker 8: split open his lip. Were it not for that, this

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Speaker 8: guy'd be riding a four to fight winning streak right now.

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01:14:30,280 --> 01:14:33,120
Speaker 8: He's forty years old, and that lost to Rosen Strike

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01:14:33,120 --> 01:14:35,559
Speaker 8: took him out of title contention. But again fifth straight

1729
01:14:35,640 --> 01:14:40,200
Speaker 8: main event here, incredible legacy. Still has those championship aspirations,

1730
01:14:40,320 --> 01:14:42,200
Speaker 8: Ken Flow, he'll try to keep those alive here with

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01:14:42,280 --> 01:14:44,080
Speaker 8: the w What do you think about the main the

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01:14:44,240 --> 01:14:46,200
Speaker 8: rem versus Sakai.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, you know, he hasn't had the best luck in

1734
01:14:48,400 --> 01:14:51,400
Speaker 10: the UFC, but he definitely has beaten a lot of

1735
01:14:51,520 --> 01:14:54,240
Speaker 10: big names throughout his mixed martial arts career. I don't

1736
01:14:54,360 --> 01:14:57,280
Speaker 10: see him losing to a guy like an Augusta of Sakai,

1737
01:14:57,400 --> 01:15:00,800
Speaker 10: especially a guy in Sakai who defensively, he doesn't.

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Speaker 11: Show me a lot. He doesn't really have a jab.

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01:15:02,760 --> 01:15:04,680
Speaker 10: He comes in with one twos and he's got the

1740
01:15:04,760 --> 01:15:08,120
Speaker 10: power to certainly knock out over him. But if you

1741
01:15:08,280 --> 01:15:11,520
Speaker 10: want to win at a high level and do it consistently,

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01:15:12,120 --> 01:15:14,559
Speaker 10: I don't think Sakai is there yet. I think over

1743
01:15:14,640 --> 01:15:17,400
Speaker 10: him has way too much experience. I think he's gonna circle,

1744
01:15:18,439 --> 01:15:20,559
Speaker 10: you know, get his timing, kind of stick and move

1745
01:15:20,680 --> 01:15:24,120
Speaker 10: with punches and kicks, and I do agree with Ian

1746
01:15:24,200 --> 01:15:26,920
Speaker 10: that he should probably look for those takedowns as well,

1747
01:15:26,960 --> 01:15:29,439
Speaker 10: look for a ground and pound or submission I do

1748
01:15:29,640 --> 01:15:31,920
Speaker 10: think over Him is gonna get the win. I think

1749
01:15:31,960 --> 01:15:33,560
Speaker 10: it's gonna take a little bit for over Him to

1750
01:15:33,600 --> 01:15:38,559
Speaker 10: get warmed up. But let's see I see a win

1751
01:15:39,000 --> 01:15:43,639
Speaker 10: in round. Let's go round four tko Alistair Overing.

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Speaker 8: You're right, Ken Flow sixty sixth pro MNA fight for

1753
01:15:47,200 --> 01:15:50,120
Speaker 8: Alistair Overham. But the UFC record a little eleven and seven,

1754
01:15:50,280 --> 01:15:53,240
Speaker 8: you know, a little underwhelming nineteenth UFC appearance here, but

1755
01:15:53,680 --> 01:15:55,560
Speaker 8: it's got a lot of momentum. And man, it's like,

1756
01:15:56,040 --> 01:15:58,240
Speaker 8: I mean, I show these fighter cards on Instagram, but

1757
01:15:58,320 --> 01:16:00,439
Speaker 8: it's like truly running out of real state when it

1758
01:16:00,520 --> 01:16:03,400
Speaker 8: comes to everything that over Him has accomplished.

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01:16:03,439 --> 01:16:05,679
Speaker 3: We'll see how it goes for the forty year old.

1760
01:16:05,600 --> 01:16:08,880
Speaker 8: Born May seventeenth, nineteen eighty all Right, Ian Parker always

1761
01:16:08,960 --> 01:16:11,439
Speaker 8: gets a parting shot. I'm not sure who he's going

1762
01:16:11,479 --> 01:16:13,519
Speaker 8: to choose to attack this week, and he have anything

1763
01:16:13,560 --> 01:16:14,519
Speaker 8: for us before we reach it.

1764
01:16:15,400 --> 01:16:19,000
Speaker 3: How about that Covington Woodleigh Price. I mean, I I

1765
01:16:19,600 --> 01:16:22,479
Speaker 3: am very high on Colby Covington.

1766
01:16:22,600 --> 01:16:24,880
Speaker 8: Go back and watch how many huge shots he landed

1767
01:16:24,920 --> 01:16:29,000
Speaker 8: against Kamara Ousman. Right, he certainly deserves to be the favorite,

1768
01:16:29,040 --> 01:16:30,920
Speaker 8: but he's a person like Minas three fifty minas three

1769
01:16:30,960 --> 01:16:32,240
Speaker 8: sixty against Tyron Woodley.

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Speaker 3: I mean that's a huge number. No somewhat huh, go ahead,

1771
01:16:37,439 --> 01:16:40,160
Speaker 3: go ahead, No, no, finish, finish No. I was just

1772
01:16:40,200 --> 01:16:40,559
Speaker 3: going to say.

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01:16:40,560 --> 01:16:43,360
Speaker 8: I think it was Blake Bowman who said, you know,

1774
01:16:43,960 --> 01:16:48,120
Speaker 8: Kobe's going to be minus eleven hundred, right if yeah, I.

1775
01:16:48,400 --> 01:16:50,560
Speaker 2: Know Blake, well he said that before it goes to

1776
01:16:50,600 --> 01:16:51,760
Speaker 2: eleven hundred, jump on it.

1777
01:16:51,880 --> 01:16:53,680
Speaker 6: Jump on it now, Blake, I love you.

1778
01:16:53,840 --> 01:16:56,720
Speaker 2: That's not going to with minus eleven Hundred's no, he knows,

1779
01:16:56,880 --> 01:16:58,439
Speaker 2: he knows. I know, I know he knows. He's a

1780
01:16:58,479 --> 01:17:03,400
Speaker 2: smart guy, he's fun. I would love to see Woodley

1781
01:17:04,280 --> 01:17:07,600
Speaker 2: really hard. I mean, I feel like Woodley had to

1782
01:17:07,640 --> 01:17:10,560
Speaker 2: take this fight or else no chance ever again is

1783
01:17:10,640 --> 01:17:12,800
Speaker 2: he getting to the top of the mountain. Not because

1784
01:17:12,800 --> 01:17:15,840
Speaker 2: he's not capable, but because, you know, I would talk

1785
01:17:15,840 --> 01:17:18,320
Speaker 2: about a former champ and look, the thing that the

1786
01:17:18,400 --> 01:17:21,000
Speaker 2: thing that Woodley used to be was that wrestler who

1787
01:17:21,040 --> 01:17:23,519
Speaker 2: had that overhand right he could she could fake that

1788
01:17:23,640 --> 01:17:25,760
Speaker 2: double leg. I mean that fight against cost Check that

1789
01:17:25,960 --> 01:17:28,960
Speaker 2: punchy landed was like, I still get fucking nightmares from it.

1790
01:17:29,080 --> 01:17:32,360
Speaker 3: You know, this is a fight where I think he.

1791
01:17:32,640 --> 01:17:35,400
Speaker 2: Will, He's gonna be the stronger guy. It's just can

1792
01:17:35,560 --> 01:17:38,240
Speaker 2: he listen the last two fights. I'm like babbling like

1793
01:17:38,280 --> 01:17:40,439
Speaker 2: a fucking idiot right now because this fight blows my mind.

1794
01:17:40,479 --> 01:17:42,720
Speaker 2: With those odds, we know that people that come at

1795
01:17:42,800 --> 01:17:47,120
Speaker 2: him with cardio and volume, that's his that's his kryptonite.

1796
01:17:47,240 --> 01:17:50,400
Speaker 2: And happen with Usmann, and happened with Gilbert, you know, Durinho,

1797
01:17:50,960 --> 01:17:53,080
Speaker 2: and I don't see it not happening with kolbe Comgan.

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01:17:53,200 --> 01:17:54,040
Speaker 3: I love Tara Woodley.

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01:17:54,080 --> 01:17:56,680
Speaker 2: I sponsored him with Kgiero years ago. You know, I

1800
01:17:56,960 --> 01:17:59,320
Speaker 2: just think that if his cardio is not there, if

1801
01:17:59,320 --> 01:18:02,960
Speaker 2: he's not putting combinations, I don't see how Kobe doesn't

1802
01:18:03,000 --> 01:18:05,240
Speaker 2: have his way, you know, he can just he just

1803
01:18:05,479 --> 01:18:07,920
Speaker 2: just just too much cardio, too much output. And we've

1804
01:18:07,960 --> 01:18:10,080
Speaker 2: just seen that really take a toll on Tario Woodley

1805
01:18:10,080 --> 01:18:13,360
Speaker 2: in those last few fights. So for me at the moment,

1806
01:18:13,400 --> 01:18:15,800
Speaker 2: I think those odds are still really high. But if

1807
01:18:15,880 --> 01:18:17,640
Speaker 2: we were just pulled the odds away, I would lean

1808
01:18:17,680 --> 01:18:19,760
Speaker 2: towards Colby coming to one hundred percent based off his

1809
01:18:19,880 --> 01:18:20,840
Speaker 2: last performance as well.

1810
01:18:20,960 --> 01:18:24,040
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, all right, see how it plays out. September nineteenth,

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Speaker 8: Live on ESPN. I think on the mothership. At least

1812
01:18:26,720 --> 01:18:28,599
Speaker 8: ESPN Plus. We got to get out of here. Thanks

1813
01:18:28,640 --> 01:18:31,800
Speaker 8: for our guests, Robert Drysdale, Ray Longo, Ian Parker, and

1814
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Speaker 8: a Florin podcast dot com. If you want the purple

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Speaker 8: I have a funny feeling those are going to be

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Speaker 8: sold out in the not too distant future. With that

1818
01:18:41,120 --> 01:18:43,280
Speaker 8: for Ken Flow and our producer Cody Marrow, John and

1819
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Speaker 8: Stan so Long. For now, don't text and drive out there.

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01:18:46,080 --> 01:18:48,280
Speaker 8: Cody texted me today I was driving. I didn't text

1821
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Speaker 8: him back.

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Speaker 3: No fucking way. Put your mask on. We'll talk to

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Speaker 3: you this Saturday Night Live on ESPN Plus. Until then,

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Speaker 3: Field it

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Speaker 5: A umber bumper of the dread creamed Pom