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Speaker 1: know Jack Wars? Drive Time? Ryan Sex steps thro John

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Speaker 1: Ohos It actually Jaguars Drive Time starts right now. Good morning,

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Speaker 1: and welcome the Jaguars Drive Time. Wednesday morning, brought to

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Speaker 1: you by Duval Motor Company. Getting ready for the second

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Speaker 1: preseason game against the Eagles on Thursday. That game is

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Speaker 1: brought to you by pet Paradise. Second preseason game here

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Speaker 1: in Duvall. It's still preseason, but guys walking around, it

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Speaker 1: seems like everyone is still really excited even though it

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure I'm that Jack dev you know, because

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Speaker 1: are some great storylines if you're looking deeper in the

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Speaker 1: depth chart. I am excited about. But I can't sit

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Speaker 1: see the starters. At the same time, there's a separation

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Speaker 1: right now in this league, Brian, that this is the

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Speaker 1: way that teams are going to approach it. Yeah, and

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Speaker 1: that's really the overriding issue here is that we're we're

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Speaker 1: if we call it preseason, it's exhibition. Um, I would

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Speaker 1: I've heard people say that. People the gym this morning

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Speaker 1: The fact that there's a it's bonus. Um. It's a

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Speaker 1: what's interesting is is that last year Doug Morone played

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Speaker 1: And that was after a joint workout and member Doug

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Speaker 1: his guys didn't need as much. He has radically altered

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Speaker 1: his philosophy. He's not the only coach. We're about to

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Speaker 1: qualms about it that they won an eighteen game schedule,

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Speaker 1: because in your whole life this phone. You've been able

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Speaker 1: the depth chart. It's rare to have a bunch of competition.

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Speaker 1: You gre your coaches to say it, but you're not

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Speaker 1: really competing for the starting job and training camp. Usually

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Speaker 1: there are a couple of situations. This year, a right

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Speaker 1: guard has become a competition. I think strong side linebacker

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Speaker 1: was gonna be a competition, but it's usually positions like that.

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Speaker 1: Not to downgrade those, but a right guard as a competition.

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Speaker 1: You might have competition, uh at the receiver position. To

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Speaker 1: see exactly who will start a d J chart. Chris

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Speaker 1: Conley and u um D Westbrook. But that might be

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Speaker 1: competition for who's on the starting in the depth chart,

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Speaker 1: but we all know those are sort of the three

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Speaker 1: guys who are going to be most in the offense.

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Speaker 1: So a competition and training camp with rare exceptions is

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Speaker 1: sort of a myth these days. Coaches use that because

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Speaker 1: they can't stand up and say, hey, we've only got

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Speaker 1: two jobs open at the start camp. They use it

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Speaker 1: all the time. In fact, Doug has famously said in

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Speaker 1: each of his start of camp meetings, I don't care

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Speaker 1: whether you were drafted, I don't care whether you were

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Speaker 1: a rookie free agent. I don't care what position where

449
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Speaker 1: you're at. You have a chance to make this team well,

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Speaker 1: and that's how coaches look at it, right, that's but

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Speaker 1: but we don't the roster. Yeah, how many jobs? Would

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Speaker 1: you say? How many jobs? That? Right? But depth chart?

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Speaker 1: No bottom of the roster, Yes, because there are guys

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Speaker 1: like got Diarie Brady and not Tray McBride and guys

455
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Speaker 1: like that who I think are fighting for. There's probably

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Speaker 1: a spot at most positions open at the bottom for

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Speaker 1: the guy who plays the best on special teams for

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Speaker 1: that one spot, ye not many. All right, let's wrap

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Speaker 1: it up with Rob, who has a story. This is

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Speaker 1: a long one. I don't know if I'm ready for this.

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Speaker 1: I didn't even type it all. I drove up to

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Speaker 1: Baltimore for the first preseason game. I knew most of

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Speaker 1: the starters wouldn't play. I knew to keep my expectations limited.

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Speaker 1: I love being able to see my Jags in person

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Speaker 1: and will always make an effort to see them any

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Speaker 1: time there within driving distance. Well, and I included this

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Speaker 1: because the preseason is a topic and there are fans

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Speaker 1: mad about it, because fans like to get mad about anything,

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Speaker 1: and because it's it's a difficult watch and you feel

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Speaker 1: like you're paying for it, even if they are technically

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Speaker 1: free bright you know, um, all that stuff. I think

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Speaker 1: the best way to approach a preseason game again, I

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Speaker 1: remember when I was a kid. Um, I went to

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Speaker 1: a couple of preseason games when they were in Tampa.

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Speaker 1: When the Skins were playing in Tampa, and I knew

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Speaker 1: they weren't playing and it didn't matter, but as a

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Speaker 1: as a kid, the chance to be in the same

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Speaker 1: area as my favorite team, it was really cool. I

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Speaker 1: think that's how you sort after approach preseason games. If

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Speaker 1: if you want to come down and see people you've

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Speaker 1: been around, be around the Jaguars, be around the environment. Fine,

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Speaker 1: but just know that that's what it's gonna be, and

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Speaker 1: not think it's gonna be a regular season game. Don't

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Speaker 1: come down here thinking you're gonna get like great competition

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Speaker 1: and great drama. That's not what it is. If you

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Speaker 1: can take that approach and enjoy being around it, then

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Speaker 1: it's it can still be a good time. I think

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Speaker 1: that's what preseason games are, right. Yeah, you know, in

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Speaker 1: twenty five years of doing this, there are a couple

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Speaker 1: of preseason games that I remember, right the Hall of

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Speaker 1: Fame game, the first one nine. Uh yeah, I know

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Speaker 1: I've forgotten about that because not a happy night. I remember.

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Speaker 1: I remember a two thousand two we played at the

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Speaker 1: University of Illinois right in Champagne. You were gone at

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Speaker 1: that point, but the Bears were renovating Soldier Field and

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Speaker 1: so the preseason games were there and that was that

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Speaker 1: was that was fun. That was different. It was new. Um,

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Speaker 1: but there are there are so few of those. They

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Speaker 1: just they come and they go. In two thousand five

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Speaker 1: or six, no us, it was two thousand seven. We

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Speaker 1: went to Green Bay and that's a special setting, right.

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Speaker 1: I think you could have it without the preseason games,

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Speaker 1: you know, but they have a special setting up there.

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Speaker 1: Not many people don't remember them. They don't remember the context,

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Speaker 1: they don't remember the outcome. They move on. They don't

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Speaker 1: hold as much value as some would like you to believe.

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Speaker 1: They used to hold a lot of money, but now

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Speaker 1: even they don't hold that. Yeah, Nick Fole setted himself

509
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Speaker 1: in his press conference that you don't really ask guys

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Speaker 1: about training camp in a few weeks because it's such

511
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Speaker 1: a blur that they don't remember. We won't talk about

512
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Speaker 1: it at all once the regular season begins, unless something

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00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:13,919
Speaker 1: happened in a particular camp than that really does anymore.

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Speaker 1: But we will talk about it now at nauseam if

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Speaker 1: you want to, all right, when we come back, some

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Speaker 1: my god, no, no, no no, no, Why would you not

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Speaker 1: next on the point. It takes a lot of space.

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Speaker 1: He's always typing. We call it the busiest man in

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Speaker 1: the NFL. Yeah, that's you. Ready for Ashlyn? Ask is

559
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Speaker 1: there anyone you're worried about not making this team at

560
00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:59,240
Speaker 1: this point, it could even be an employee. John, it

561
00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:05,720
Speaker 1: could be you. I'm always already about that. Is there

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Speaker 1: anyone you're worried about not making this team? There was, Yeah,

563
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Speaker 1: you're hesitant. There's this one guy. Well, I want to

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Speaker 1: explain it. It'll all make sense, all right, John, what

565
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Speaker 1: you got? Um, I can't say I'm worried, and I've

566
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Speaker 1: always a lot of sleep over the issue. But Uh,

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Speaker 1: I thought at the beginning of camp that at Terrell

568
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Speaker 1: Prior was having a really good chance to make it

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Speaker 1: Um because of the big body, and I think he

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Speaker 1: still might make it. But he's a name guy that

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Speaker 1: I think will be interesting during that count during that

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Speaker 1: cut down to fifty three. I think we talked about

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Speaker 1: it on Monday, Brian. Um. The fact that if you

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Speaker 1: keep him, you're on the hook for complete salary because

575
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Speaker 1: of his years in the league and just because of

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Speaker 1: the numbers that receiver not playing special teams. Uh, he's

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Speaker 1: a guy just signed in I think May so he's

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Speaker 1: the guy I'll watched for that weekend and I you know,

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Speaker 1: he's been nicked up to the last couple of days

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Speaker 1: and hasn't been a full participant in practice, so that

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Speaker 1: it does bear some watching. So I thought a J

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Speaker 1: Can might have trouble with it, even though he signed

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Speaker 1: a three year deal right um, because will Richardson is

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Speaker 1: likely to win that spot. And when you put a

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Speaker 1: J Can next to will Richardson, a canis started sixty

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Speaker 1: two games including the playoffs. Um, so he's had some

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Speaker 1: success in his career. But size wise they are so

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Speaker 1: completely different. And I keep hearing that it's it's will

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Speaker 1: Richardson's job to lose, that he has looked that good. Um,

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Speaker 1: and they've moved Can and they're working him. But Can

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Speaker 1: has six million dollars in dead money, six million that

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Speaker 1: they would absorb this year, and I think they have

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Speaker 1: about eight and a half million total. He's going nowhere.

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Speaker 1: But if money wasn't the factor, I would wonder if

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Speaker 1: there weren't some young guys who might not surplant him,

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Speaker 1: young guys with potential and a much lower salary cap figure.

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Speaker 1: There's also a factor there. He can snap. So coaches

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Speaker 1: like to have three centers around that they trust. Uh

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Speaker 1: Tyler Shatley Can, Well, there's a guy. Then Shatley is

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Speaker 1: a guy who uh will have to defeat Can because

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Speaker 1: Shatley is only making a million dollars and I think

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Speaker 1: there's only a hundred thousand of that. That's dead money.

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Speaker 1: When you get to the numbers game of how many

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Speaker 1: you're going to keep active on game day and who

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Speaker 1: they're going to be, and do you want a guard

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Speaker 1: and a tackle or do you want two guys who

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Speaker 1: can play tackle? You know you have to kind of

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Speaker 1: figure this thing out. Shatley could be a guy who

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Speaker 1: could be left out of the mix depending on how

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Speaker 1: it rolls. And they both make it both way center

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Speaker 1: and done much that the other day. All right, next, Ash,

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Speaker 1: ask your biggest takeaway from our days at training camp

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Speaker 1: as a whole, and John, you can't say it was hot,

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Speaker 1: because yes it was hot. Your biggest takeaway player person

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Speaker 1: experience from training camp? Um, I won't say, well, miss

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Speaker 1: those three hour days on the field, but there were

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Speaker 1: some good times. Um what John, I'm ready, I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: say the deep ball and uh I, I've got a

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Speaker 1: couple of emails saying, well, it sounds like the offense

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Speaker 1: is out playing the defense and I don't know that

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Speaker 1: that's true. I mean, we talk a lot about the

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Speaker 1: offense in training camp because it's it's the easiest thing

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Speaker 1: to see and it's what stands out. There's no hitting,

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Speaker 1: so you don't talk about the defense as much you

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Speaker 1: do the offense. We also talked about the offense. It

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Speaker 1: looks better than last year, and I think the big

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Speaker 1: area that it looks better is the fact that you

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Speaker 1: are seeing them consistently. Once or twice a practice. You'll

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Speaker 1: see DJ Chart get open or Chris Conny get open

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Speaker 1: or DD get open that you hadn't seen before. And

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Speaker 1: they make the deep past look easier and more and

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Speaker 1: more routine than it was in the past. So they're

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Speaker 1: gonna do it. They believe they can work the ball deep.

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Speaker 1: Uh so I think you're gonna see that more. Has

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Speaker 1: a been impressive in training camp At times I don't

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Speaker 1: even I don't even show it to you. But philosophies change, right. Um.

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Speaker 1: Two years ago we talked about Doug Morone and an

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Speaker 1: old school camp. Remember they went to New England and

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Speaker 1: all the pictures were shocked and and the media to

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Speaker 1: what they're doing updowns in the NFL. I mean this

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Speaker 1: was old school at a time when old school was

642
00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:30,640
Speaker 1: long gone. Um, Dougs Camp is radically different. He did

643
00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:33,560
Speaker 1: not play starters in the first preseason game and is

644
00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:36,719
Speaker 1: not playing them in the second preseason. Philosophies changed. There

645
00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:38,800
Speaker 1: was one point, I forget whether it was Heeling Cole

646
00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:42,960
Speaker 1: or Tyree Brady, took a wicked shot on the sideline

647
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:45,280
Speaker 1: from one of the Ravens defensive backs on a long pass,

648
00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:48,680
Speaker 1: and everyone that I was standing around all NFL people

649
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:51,360
Speaker 1: are like, whoa, whoa, whoa, look at it. But that

650
00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:54,760
Speaker 1: was what that was what practice was, right. You hit,

651
00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:58,440
Speaker 1: you practiced hitting. It wasn't a dirty hit, it wasn't

652
00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:01,160
Speaker 1: a cheap shot. It was just too good, solid hit.

653
00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:03,680
Speaker 1: And people like, hey, whoa, whoa, whoa, stay up, stay up.

654
00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:07,240
Speaker 1: You can't even hit and practice now, right, Philosophies have changed,

655
00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:09,560
Speaker 1: which is why I'm all in on how the preseason

656
00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:12,000
Speaker 1: is going to change so dramatically, because the coaches are

657
00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:14,480
Speaker 1: all in on how practice has changed. They may not

658
00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:18,239
Speaker 1: want it, but they've accepted it because they would much

659
00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:21,200
Speaker 1: rather Doug Moron would much rather you rant and rave

660
00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:23,160
Speaker 1: about what he does or does not do in the

661
00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:26,000
Speaker 1: regular season than about what he does in the preseason,

662
00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:28,440
Speaker 1: because all he's trying to do is have his horses

663
00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:31,080
Speaker 1: at the starting line. Yeah. I think the first time

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Speaker 1: I noticed it was changing is the first day of

665
00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:37,040
Speaker 1: practice at camp. Everyone lines up for gassers and he

666
00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:39,919
Speaker 1: cancels them. Hey, last year there was no canceling because

667
00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:42,799
Speaker 1: you don't want to hamstring, right. I would love to

668
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:46,040
Speaker 1: see Tom Coughlin in charge of training camp again, um,

669
00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:49,520
Speaker 1: if only to see if his philosophy had changed. And

670
00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:50,960
Speaker 1: I know he wrote a book. I've read the book.

671
00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:53,759
Speaker 1: Things have changed with him. He understands it. It's not

672
00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:56,160
Speaker 1: like he's a dinosaur and can't see how the league

673
00:34:56,200 --> 00:35:00,279
Speaker 1: has changed. But it's so dramatic. It's just that me is.

674
00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:02,440
Speaker 1: My takeaway from camp is we have now entered the

675
00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:07,640
Speaker 1: point where dramatic change is not long time coming way

676
00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:10,680
Speaker 1: off in the future. It's don't be surprised if things

677
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:13,080
Speaker 1: change next year or the year after. They've done it

678
00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:15,360
Speaker 1: with the rules, they've done it with the kickoffs, they've

679
00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:17,160
Speaker 1: done it. They can do it again. It can be

680
00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:19,759
Speaker 1: I've started it now, all right. Let's move on to

681
00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:23,960
Speaker 1: game day preseason Game two presented by pet Paradise. Who

682
00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:27,400
Speaker 1: needs to have a big game on Thursday? Whether to

683
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:29,480
Speaker 1: make this team to prove it to the coaches that

684
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Speaker 1: they can play to get more reps in the regular season.

685
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:34,760
Speaker 1: All on all, Who needs to have a good performance

686
00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:41,960
Speaker 1: on Thursday, preseason against the Philadelphia Eagles. Yes it will

687
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:45,000
Speaker 1: be hot, Yes it's preseason, but John will be there.

688
00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:54,520
Speaker 1: What more do you need? Yah'll be all right. Um.

689
00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:56,880
Speaker 1: The obvious choice here is Gardner Minshew. So I didn't

690
00:35:56,880 --> 00:35:59,520
Speaker 1: go with that. Uh, he needs to play better. I

691
00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:01,040
Speaker 1: don't know the needs to play better to make the team.

692
00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:03,479
Speaker 1: I think he's gonna be the backup quarterback, but you'd

693
00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:05,200
Speaker 1: like to see him play better. I'm gonna go with

694
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Speaker 1: Tray McBride. He's a fourth year guy. Uh, he's a

695
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Speaker 1: wide receiver. He looked good in practice yesterday. He was

696
00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:16,600
Speaker 1: lauded by Doug Morone after the Baltimore game. And I

697
00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:18,919
Speaker 1: think he's a guy because he plays special teams, because

698
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Speaker 1: he's experienced. I think he has a chance to make

699
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Speaker 1: the roster. Uh. Signed as a tryout guy in May

700
00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:27,200
Speaker 1: off of a tryout minicamp, so it would be a

701
00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:31,120
Speaker 1: heck of a story. But because he's a good special

702
00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:34,160
Speaker 1: teams player and because he continues to make plays, he

703
00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:35,960
Speaker 1: might have a chance at that wide receiver spot. And

704
00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:39,400
Speaker 1: nobody's talked about him yet, No, we haven't. That's I mean,

705
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:41,680
Speaker 1: we talked about Tyree Brady and that wide receiver battle,

706
00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:43,600
Speaker 1: but no, he has not been brought up. So it's

707
00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:47,319
Speaker 1: definitely a lofty back. All right, go ahead, Brian, I'm

708
00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:51,880
Speaker 1: going with the dwant. But he had a strong showing

709
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Speaker 1: with a couple of good pass rushes in Baltimore the

710
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Speaker 1: other night. But there are numbers there. So he's a

711
00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:01,960
Speaker 1: big end obviously. And he's battle Dayton Jones, who was

712
00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:05,080
Speaker 1: a first round pick with Dom Capers in Green Bay

713
00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:08,120
Speaker 1: and has bounced around the league. But Dayton Jones had

714
00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:10,759
Speaker 1: a really good week of practice last week, not as

715
00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:13,960
Speaker 1: good this week from what I'm hearing, But that's a

716
00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:17,840
Speaker 1: battle smooth, a draft pick and is a guy in

717
00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:21,240
Speaker 1: general manager and coaches want to keep their own players,

718
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:24,240
Speaker 1: so they'd love to keep him. If he has another

719
00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:28,200
Speaker 1: big night tonight, I'm sorry tomorrow night. I think he's

720
00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:30,440
Speaker 1: got a shot to make this team. He's had a

721
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:34,000
Speaker 1: good camp, he's spend it off challenges, um, but he

722
00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:36,480
Speaker 1: can't he can't take a deep breath and say well

723
00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:38,440
Speaker 1: I had a good week. He's gotta put him. He's

724
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:40,799
Speaker 1: gotta stack him up and have another one this week.

725
00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:45,040
Speaker 1: You're right, it's his spot to lose because you want

726
00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:47,080
Speaker 1: to keep draft picks and because there's something you like

727
00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:52,520
Speaker 1: about him when you draft him. So it's encouraging. It's

728
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Speaker 1: really the first time that you've heard the coaches talk

729
00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:59,480
Speaker 1: about him in this way. Maybe the lights coming on.

730
00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:01,160
Speaker 1: Maybe he can be good Debt, But I think he

731
00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:04,040
Speaker 1: doesn't need to play well in these last two preseason

732
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Speaker 1: opportunities and maybe a fourth. But it's a bad sign

733
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Speaker 1: if you're playing in the fourth game. It's definitely a

734
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Speaker 1: big night for those two on Thursday, right when we

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Speaker 1: start top tweets with Brandon Graham at defensive end for

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Speaker 1: the Philadelphia Eagles. He has a little story on Nick

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Speaker 1: Foles to start top tweets. He was talking about after season,

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Speaker 1: you know, because he was just saying, you know, pushing

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Speaker 1: through some of the injuries that he had, that it

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Speaker 1: was a little much. And now I was like, man,

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Speaker 1: look at him. Not won the Super Bowl, got him

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Speaker 1: a nice fat contract, you know, and uh, leading leading

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Speaker 1: a great one, the great organization that Jacksone did. So.

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Speaker 1: A former teammate of Nick Foles said that they had

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Speaker 1: a conversation before the start of the two thousand seventeen

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Speaker 1: season the Nick Fole was going to retire because of injuries.

774
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Speaker 1: And now you think what he would have missed if

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Speaker 1: he did retire all the way back then, especially now

776
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Speaker 1: being in Jacksonville and starting this two thousand nineteen season. Yeah,

777
00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:57,439
Speaker 1: he was in a dark place in amity. He wasn't sure.

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Speaker 1: I think there were a lot of reasons from what

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Speaker 1: I've read and and heard Nick say that he was

780
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:06,200
Speaker 1: considering giving up the game. Uh, and yeah, thank goodness

781
00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:08,600
Speaker 1: for the Jaguars he did. And I mean, I don't

782
00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:14,400
Speaker 1: know how serious the elbow stuff was that has been

783
00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:17,960
Speaker 1: mentioned with this. I'm assuming that that's okay. I certainly,

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00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:21,880
Speaker 1: I hope it's okay. But beyond that, it's a great story. Um,

785
00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:23,799
Speaker 1: you're listening to him last week when he came to

786
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Speaker 1: our production meeting, and he talked about just his overall

787
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:31,279
Speaker 1: philosophy of of how he works with his teammates, how

788
00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:35,600
Speaker 1: his his goal is to make you better and you better. Um,

789
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:37,640
Speaker 1: you can make me better. But well, I mean, come on,

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Speaker 1: I know I won't into that. One ship is sale, right,

791
00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:48,440
Speaker 1: But you don't hear football players. You hear select football

792
00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:52,439
Speaker 1: players talking that way. You mostly hear, well, I gotta

793
00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:54,520
Speaker 1: be my thing and I'd focus on what I have

794
00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:57,440
Speaker 1: to do. You don't hear that. Um. I thought it

795
00:41:57,480 --> 00:42:00,120
Speaker 1: was special, and I think the Jaguars would be missing

796
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:03,920
Speaker 1: that because if he is going to do what he

797
00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:05,480
Speaker 1: wants to do, he's going to have to show his

798
00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:08,960
Speaker 1: teammates how to do it. He did it in Philadelphia twice.

799
00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:11,360
Speaker 1: He's got the body of work to be able to

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Speaker 1: do it. As you get the equity of the rain

801
00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:16,360
Speaker 1: and and the players don't want to use the word reverent,

802
00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:18,960
Speaker 1: but they are almost reverent towards him and the way

803
00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:21,360
Speaker 1: that he's done things. He told the story about how

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00:42:21,719 --> 00:42:23,959
Speaker 1: Chris Conley had to convince his teammates that it's okay

805
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:26,359
Speaker 1: to touch his towel. Conny came over and huddle one

806
00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:27,919
Speaker 1: of the first o t s and use his hand

807
00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:31,960
Speaker 1: or used bowls towel to wipe his hands, and and

808
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Speaker 1: there was like a look of like shock on the

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Speaker 1: part of the other receivers, like you touched the quarterback style,

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Speaker 1: Like dude, He's just you know you can, you can

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Speaker 1: do it right. He's just got this sort of aura

812
00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:46,920
Speaker 1: about him. And I think football would be less without

813
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:49,239
Speaker 1: a guy like that. I think it's great for the

814
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:51,640
Speaker 1: game to have a person like that who's had such

815
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Speaker 1: tremendous success still in the game. Brian, you and I

816
00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:56,800
Speaker 1: both read his book, and he goes into great detail

817
00:42:56,840 --> 00:42:59,239
Speaker 1: about that two thousand seventeen season, what he was going

818
00:42:59,239 --> 00:43:02,440
Speaker 1: through mentally and physically. Definitely worth reading because you definitely

819
00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:05,839
Speaker 1: understand the journey better and a better appreciation for it now.

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00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:07,840
Speaker 1: He's a special guy, there's no doubt about it, and

821
00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:10,200
Speaker 1: the Jaguars are better off having him. Ye and top

822
00:43:10,239 --> 00:43:12,400
Speaker 1: Feata is basically dedicated to Nick Foles because we have

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00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:14,960
Speaker 1: another one from a columist from Philly dot Com who

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00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:17,920
Speaker 1: was at training camp practice yesterday and tweeted out this

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Speaker 1: Nick Foles. Nick Foles ran ten fifty yards sprints after

826
00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:25,680
Speaker 1: a three hour practice in full pads alone after every

827
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:28,240
Speaker 1: other player went into the locker room. The heat index

828
00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:31,080
Speaker 1: is a hundred into degrees. Now this is normal news,

829
00:43:31,120 --> 00:43:32,879
Speaker 1: dust guys, because we see this every day, we see

830
00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:35,520
Speaker 1: Nick Foles running alone. But to someone who's visiting the

831
00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:38,279
Speaker 1: Jaguars who hasn't been used to this, I understand why.

832
00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:41,479
Speaker 1: It's definitely something we're tweeting in something you're not used

833
00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:45,919
Speaker 1: to see. He's dedicated. The special ones have their thing

834
00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:50,000
Speaker 1: that they do, that they believe and this is always

835
00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:53,680
Speaker 1: something Nick believes he needs and he dedicated to it

836
00:43:53,719 --> 00:43:56,920
Speaker 1: and to do it yesterday. Uh, I wouldn't do it.

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Speaker 1: Here's the other thing. Remember that in Philadelphia he was

838
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:04,040
Speaker 1: the backup and all the attention is always on Carson Wentz.

839
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Speaker 1: So if the reporters from Philly who were here watching

840
00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:10,959
Speaker 1: Nick are paying attention and seeing things for the first time,

841
00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:13,640
Speaker 1: it's because in the last two training camps he wasn't

842
00:44:13,640 --> 00:44:16,279
Speaker 1: the man. And it's of note that now that he

843
00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:20,240
Speaker 1: has his own team, his approach to us, it's consistent

844
00:44:20,239 --> 00:44:22,320
Speaker 1: because he tells us that. But the people from Philly

845
00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:24,920
Speaker 1: are evaluating it, and I think at some point in

846
00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:27,399
Speaker 1: time this season, people are gonna go, man, it's too

847
00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:29,919
Speaker 1: bad Nick Foles isn't here in Philly. No, it's true.

848
00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:31,680
Speaker 1: You think he is the man here. So we're so

849
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:34,319
Speaker 1: used to watching every single move he makes. But to them,

850
00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:35,960
Speaker 1: they're not used to that. I hope he was the

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Speaker 1: backup and the guy who almost left the game behind

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Speaker 1: and and had been there once and had a bad

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Speaker 1: season in fifteen and was a backup in sixteen. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: there's a long history there, but here he starts as

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Speaker 1: the Super Bowl m v P. Completely different for him

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Speaker 1: here than there. Alright, let's wrap up top tweets with

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Speaker 1: Gardner Mints shows Instagram posts. We all saw the hit

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Speaker 1: on the goal line, and we all saw this photo.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't look good. Gardner Minshew does not copy right there,

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Speaker 1: And I thought to myself, Man, I would not want

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Speaker 1: to post that picture of myself. It's not flattering. What

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Speaker 1: does he do? He posted and says but a caption

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Speaker 1: It's a night I'll never forget. I loved it, poking

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Speaker 1: fun at himself. Yeah, I would never post that and tonight,

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Speaker 1: I'll never forget with the foo man shoe. He looks

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Speaker 1: like a quarterback who played in the seventies. Pick one right,

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Speaker 1: I made anyone they had their helmets knocked off routinely

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Speaker 1: and no flags were called. That's kind of an old

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Speaker 1: school photo. And I get the sense that he kind

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Speaker 1: of appreciates that, kind of has that old school swagger

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Speaker 1: about in that seventies style. Um not unlike our own

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Speaker 1: producer Joe Fortunato. I thought if I actually been called

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Speaker 1: that play that I was so surprised I did. It

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Speaker 1: made us all go, we're back in the chain. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: But anyway, anyways, Joy Betty posted it, uh, and that

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Speaker 1: he can kind of enjoy it himself. For him, well look, folks,

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Speaker 1: if you don't know this already, you better laugh at

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Speaker 1: yourself because everyone else is. Yeah, especially after that game.

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Speaker 1: But you feel for him, and hopefully his chin strap

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Speaker 1: tightened this week. I'm sure the message was sent, I

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Speaker 1: hope to the equipment guys. All right, we'll be back

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Speaker 1: on Jaguars Drivetime tomorrow morning giving you a preview of

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Speaker 1: that Jaguars versus Eagles preseason game. We will see you

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Speaker 1: tomorrow