WEBVTT - Right Wing Conspiracies and the Allen Shooting 0:00:05.320 --> 0:00:08.719 It it's another mass shooting. 0:00:09.080 --> 0:00:11.200 There's no I don't, I don't don't. 0:00:11.200 --> 0:00:14.720 I don't have a good way to start this episode. Yeah, 0:00:14.720 --> 0:00:17.880 but welcome toda can happened here a podcast that is 0:00:18.520 --> 0:00:20.960 also just about mass shootings now because. 0:00:22.480 --> 0:00:25.960 Yeah, great great world we live in with me is 0:00:26.160 --> 0:00:27.960 Gah and Robert Hello. 0:00:29.080 --> 0:00:32.360 Hello, Yeah, so a Nazi killed a whole bunch of 0:00:32.360 --> 0:00:32.920 people again. 0:00:33.320 --> 0:00:35.720 Yeah, in case there's been another one, we are we 0:00:35.800 --> 0:00:41.239 are talking about the specific mass shooting in Alan, Texas 0:00:41.880 --> 0:00:45.280 with the guy who was covered in swastika tattoos that 0:00:45.400 --> 0:00:47.879 certain people are claiming as a fed. 0:00:48.120 --> 0:00:53.400 Yeah, that happened on Sunday, May seventh. So I think 0:00:53.479 --> 0:00:55.960 I think Mia has some details about what actually happened 0:00:55.960 --> 0:00:58.520 to kind of put together, but for the majority that 0:00:58.600 --> 0:01:02.440 we're actually going to be talking about people's reaction to this, 0:01:02.600 --> 0:01:05.200 including some of the most influential people on the planet, 0:01:05.319 --> 0:01:08.800 and the level of reality denial that is, it has 0:01:08.880 --> 0:01:12.720 been bad before, it's just extra visible right now, and 0:01:12.800 --> 0:01:17.479 it's visible to a degree that is pretty worrying, And 0:01:17.520 --> 0:01:20.440 we felt it was worth talking about just because of 0:01:21.400 --> 0:01:24.640 you know, whenever a reality fracture is big enough to 0:01:25.680 --> 0:01:30.200 be like this noticeable that is always always an interesting 0:01:30.240 --> 0:01:33.640 sign of where we are at as a culture. 0:01:34.319 --> 0:01:36.640 Yeah, I think, so before we fully dive into that, 0:01:36.680 --> 0:01:38.880 there's something that I do want to talk about like 0:01:39.000 --> 0:01:44.440 briefly with this, which is that so like this is 0:01:44.480 --> 0:01:47.280 you know, in the sort of mold of like white 0:01:47.360 --> 0:01:49.720 premises killings. Is like, this is very very targeted and 0:01:49.720 --> 0:01:52.040 non white people. So he shot one white guy who 0:01:52.080 --> 0:01:54.920 was a security guard, and then he shot like three 0:01:55.000 --> 0:01:56.600 Latino people and then for Asian people. 0:01:57.280 --> 0:01:59.840 And I don't know, I wanted to just sort of. 0:01:59.800 --> 0:02:02.880 Like remind people that anti Asian violence is still like 0:02:02.920 --> 0:02:05.880 a thing because everyone seems to have forgotten about it. 0:02:06.880 --> 0:02:10.360 And you know, this is like I mean, I think 0:02:10.960 --> 0:02:15.919 if you exclude the if you exclude the three in 0:02:16.400 --> 0:02:20.440 California that were like also committed by Asian people's is 0:02:20.520 --> 0:02:24.560 like the fourth mass shooting in two years that's been 0:02:24.600 --> 0:02:28.480 at least half the victims of an Asian It fucking sucks, 0:02:28.840 --> 0:02:31.799 I you know, I mean, we've talked about Antiasan violence 0:02:31.840 --> 0:02:33.840 a decent amount on this show. None of the things 0:02:33.840 --> 0:02:37.560 we've ever talked about have gotten any better. The only 0:02:37.639 --> 0:02:41.359 sort of actual instrumental results of any of this is 0:02:41.440 --> 0:02:44.919 that like violence against Asian people gets used as a 0:02:44.960 --> 0:02:49.680 rhetorical cudgel to justify killing black people, which is fucking abhorrent. 0:02:49.960 --> 0:02:51.800 And yeah, I just I just wanted to get this 0:02:51.880 --> 0:02:56.600 in because the media has collectively forgotten that that was 0:02:56.639 --> 0:02:59.400 the whole thing, and no one really talks about the 0:02:59.400 --> 0:03:01.760 shooting in that framing, and I think it's important to 0:03:01.800 --> 0:03:03.160 do so at least for a little bit. 0:03:04.840 --> 0:03:05.720 I think the. 0:03:05.680 --> 0:03:08.200 Other thing to kind of just talk about it at 0:03:08.200 --> 0:03:12.320 the top here. Latino white supremacists and Latino Nazis are 0:03:12.360 --> 0:03:15.880 not They are not an uncommon thing. This is actually 0:03:16.160 --> 0:03:19.200 quite common. Two of the most famous fascists in the 0:03:19.240 --> 0:03:23.840 world right now, Nick Fuentes and Enrique Tario, are not white. 0:03:24.760 --> 0:03:24.840 No. 0:03:25.040 --> 0:03:27.800 I mean, just like, think about think about where I mean, 0:03:27.840 --> 0:03:30.239 think about the fact that prior to World War Two, 0:03:30.880 --> 0:03:34.400 Argentina spent a significant chunk of their defense budget bringing 0:03:34.440 --> 0:03:37.040 over Nazis to train their military, which is a big 0:03:37.080 --> 0:03:40.360 part of why so many Nazis escaped there via ratlines. 0:03:40.960 --> 0:03:42.880 You know, we just did a series of episodes on 0:03:42.920 --> 0:03:47.440 Alfredo Stressner, the fascist dictator of Paraguay who put up 0:03:47.480 --> 0:03:50.520 and hid Joseph Mengola along with a bunch of other Nazis. 0:03:50.520 --> 0:03:54.760 For a while, Mangola had citizenship in both Argentina and 0:03:54.880 --> 0:03:58.560 in Paraguay. Like this is it's not uncommon. This is 0:03:58.600 --> 0:04:00.840 not like a new thing. We're not It's not like 0:04:01.920 --> 0:04:04.480 some sudden shift in the way that fascism works. 0:04:04.800 --> 0:04:08.040 Even the shooter himself like posted memes about being a 0:04:08.120 --> 0:04:12.360 Latino white supremacist, like it is a subculture big enough 0:04:12.360 --> 0:04:16.120 that it has its own like meme of Vortex. So, 0:04:16.480 --> 0:04:20.560 and the shooter was actively engaged in in said like 0:04:20.640 --> 0:04:22.200 a medic culture. 0:04:22.680 --> 0:04:25.080 No. And it's also worth noting that a lot of 0:04:25.080 --> 0:04:26.880 the same things that we talk about when we talk 0:04:26.920 --> 0:04:30.120 about Nazi mass shooter culture in the United States, the 0:04:30.160 --> 0:04:32.279 fact that a lot of shootings are kind of incited 0:04:32.320 --> 0:04:35.760 on eight chan and four chan and similar boards, this 0:04:35.880 --> 0:04:39.440 happens in Latin America. Brazil in particular, has a website 0:04:39.480 --> 0:04:41.479 called degola Chan that has spawned at least a couple 0:04:41.520 --> 0:04:44.520 of shootings. In the last year, They've had several more 0:04:45.560 --> 0:04:48.840 mass shootings that are political in nature, that are kind 0:04:48.880 --> 0:04:52.040 of driven by online fascists. Like this is not the 0:04:52.040 --> 0:04:54.359 only place that this happened. Serbia just had a couple 0:04:54.400 --> 0:04:59.400 as well. But like what this guy's doing is very 0:04:59.440 --> 0:05:02.479 much just as the christ shooting was very much something 0:05:02.480 --> 0:05:07.560 that occurred within the broader envelope of a transnational accelerationist 0:05:07.600 --> 0:05:10.760 fascist movement, you know, the Allen shooting, as far as 0:05:10.800 --> 0:05:13.719 we can tell what the information we have available, seems 0:05:13.760 --> 0:05:15.640 to fit very well into that schema. 0:05:16.160 --> 0:05:18.800 Okay, we should talk about the shooter a bit. 0:05:19.240 --> 0:05:22.000 So there's there's a sort of I don't know, there's 0:05:22.040 --> 0:05:24.520 like a after every mass shooting, there's this sort of 0:05:24.600 --> 0:05:29.279 like identification cycle thing that happens, where like a bunch 0:05:29.320 --> 0:05:31.520 of musations use an organizations still try to figure out 0:05:31.600 --> 0:05:36.880 who the shooter was. So I think, like the day after, 0:05:39.200 --> 0:05:41.760 very very very like pretty soon after the shooting, there's 0:05:41.880 --> 0:05:44.080 the New York Times runs an article that reveals that 0:05:44.240 --> 0:05:47.160 the shooter has this like has an account on like 0:05:47.200 --> 0:05:50.840 a kind of weird Russian social media site. And from 0:05:51.000 --> 0:05:55.840 from that information, uh, Eric Toler, who's a bell researcher 0:05:55.880 --> 0:06:00.520 at Belling Cat like tracks down the site and he 0:06:00.640 --> 0:06:06.280 finds a bunch of wild stuff. He finds like, I mean, 0:06:06.279 --> 0:06:08.400 obviously the shooters, like he finds it the shooters a Nazi. 0:06:08.440 --> 0:06:10.599 He has like a swastika tattoo. He also has an 0:06:10.680 --> 0:06:14.400 SS tattoo from the shooting. He's wearing like a right 0:06:14.440 --> 0:06:17.120 wing Dusk squad patch like this, just like a whole 0:06:18.000 --> 0:06:20.039 thing that the Proud Boys also do. It's like a 0:06:20.080 --> 0:06:21.440 patch that says like rw D. 0:06:21.600 --> 0:06:24.760 Yeah, they sell RWDS patches. I mean, I think a 0:06:24.760 --> 0:06:27.120 lot of it kind of comes out of some of 0:06:27.160 --> 0:06:30.480 the discourse around Pinochet that goes back a few decades, 0:06:30.520 --> 0:06:32.560 but at this point it's a much broader thing than that. 0:06:33.640 --> 0:06:38.120 I've got a bunch of photos of Jeremy Berdarimo I 0:06:38.120 --> 0:06:40.800 think is his name, who was one of the Proud Boys. 0:06:40.800 --> 0:06:43.279 I believe he's the guy who got stabbed prior to 0:06:43.360 --> 0:06:45.800 January sixth during one of the big riots in DC 0:06:46.040 --> 0:06:49.640 after the twenty twenty election, but with the big RWDS 0:06:49.640 --> 0:06:52.720 patch on his chest. And you can find like Tasitala Tozy, 0:06:52.800 --> 0:06:58.200 who's an inveterate rioter with a Patriot prayer up in Portland, 0:06:58.279 --> 0:07:00.719 would wear them all the time. They're and piece of 0:07:01.440 --> 0:07:02.359 fascism merch. 0:07:03.520 --> 0:07:05.839 Yeah, and you know, and and this this and also 0:07:05.920 --> 0:07:08.160 you know the other thing that's kind of important that 0:07:08.200 --> 0:07:13.400 gets found on this like social media site which okay, 0:07:13.440 --> 0:07:15.840 I wish it's a kind of weird thing, like he 0:07:15.880 --> 0:07:18.800 doesn't I don't know. The social media site seems like 0:07:18.960 --> 0:07:21.080 he was basically using as like a journal, Like he 0:07:21.120 --> 0:07:25.600 doesn't like follow people or like have followers, so he's 0:07:25.600 --> 0:07:27.640 just sort of posting this stuff. He also finds a 0:07:27.640 --> 0:07:32.640 bunch of clips of like Tim Poole videos, and so 0:07:32.760 --> 0:07:38.800 this immediately sends the entire right into like, you know, 0:07:39.040 --> 0:07:41.560 full on defense mode, right. You know, it turns out 0:07:41.640 --> 0:07:46.000 it's it's not great for your brand with like the 0:07:46.040 --> 0:07:49.720 sort of general array of people if it's being associated 0:07:49.920 --> 0:07:52.760 with a guy who just did a mass shooting. So 0:07:52.880 --> 0:07:54.800 Tim Poole responds to the other thing is there's there's 0:07:54.840 --> 0:07:57.640 like a manifesto w on it, and Tim Poole responds 0:07:57.720 --> 0:08:00.720 to this by I think I think what actually, like 0:08:00.760 --> 0:08:03.680 legitimately what happened is he read the manifesto and there's 0:08:03.720 --> 0:08:06.680 a thing in the manifesto of like talking about the 0:08:06.800 --> 0:08:10.640 Nashville shooter being trans or like peifically about the Nasville shooter. 0:08:10.720 --> 0:08:12.920 And I think I think specifically he read that and 0:08:13.040 --> 0:08:14.640 was like, oh shit, this is my out. I can 0:08:14.640 --> 0:08:19.280 go back and talking about the Nashville shooter. Sure, And 0:08:19.480 --> 0:08:24.120 so he starts, he starts this, there's this whole sort 0:08:24.160 --> 0:08:27.960 of train of like right wing stuff about how all 0:08:28.000 --> 0:08:31.200 of this is fake. So he starts arguing that, like 0:08:31.200 --> 0:08:35.440 this isn't the guy's social media account. This this sort 0:08:35.440 --> 0:08:40.240 of very very rapidly morphs into i mean just like 0:08:40.400 --> 0:08:45.600 full on like Sandy hook shit. One of his employees 0:08:46.679 --> 0:08:49.160 like tweets, why is the corporate press so threatened by 0:08:49.200 --> 0:08:52.680 people questioning the authenticity of a Mexican neo Nazis Russian 0:08:53.120 --> 0:08:56.440 social media account uncovered by state funded media? And this 0:08:56.480 --> 0:08:58.600 because this immediately becomes the main line right state funded 0:08:58.600 --> 0:09:01.239 media things. They're talking about Bell and Cap which. 0:09:01.520 --> 0:09:04.640 They're they're hopping on all of the tanky conspiracy StuffYeah 0:09:04.720 --> 0:09:07.760 and running with it because Twitter is a is a 0:09:07.840 --> 0:09:12.560 cultic milieu of conspiracy, and you can latch onto one 0:09:12.600 --> 0:09:15.960 talking point to make you feel okay about denying an 0:09:16.080 --> 0:09:19.360 entire like facet of reality, and then it becomes an 0:09:19.360 --> 0:09:19.959 easy out. 0:09:20.320 --> 0:09:23.000 Yeah, and we're gonna we're gonna circle back to like 0:09:23.080 --> 0:09:23.920 specifically tanking. 0:09:23.960 --> 0:09:26.640 People get involved in this because they do. 0:09:27.440 --> 0:09:29.800 What they're doing is a little bit of like and uh, 0:09:30.040 --> 0:09:33.040 an evolution from what what's what folks kind of in 0:09:33.080 --> 0:09:36.560 the debating Christians about evolution and shit called the Gish gallop, 0:09:37.120 --> 0:09:40.240 where the the the original idea of the Gish gallop was, 0:09:40.280 --> 0:09:43.600 when you're arguing from a creationist perspective about stuff like, 0:09:43.679 --> 0:09:46.040 you know, the age of the world, you bring up 0:09:46.120 --> 0:09:49.640 so many different kind of topics, you know, from different 0:09:49.920 --> 0:09:52.800 very niche issues, you have a carbon dating to, you know, 0:09:52.840 --> 0:09:55.600 specific problems you have with like the way scientists are 0:09:55.600 --> 0:09:59.160 interpreting specific fossils, and it's just too much detail for 0:09:59.280 --> 0:10:02.079 somebody and like an ad hoc public argument to really 0:10:02.640 --> 0:10:05.800 like counter at once. And kind of the evolution of 0:10:05.840 --> 0:10:07.839 it is when you're dealing with something like this rather 0:10:07.880 --> 0:10:09.800 than deal with the broader picture, which is there's just 0:10:09.840 --> 0:10:12.280 a tremendous amount of evidence that this guy was a Nazi, 0:10:12.280 --> 0:10:16.000 that this guy was motivated and kind of brought into 0:10:16.040 --> 0:10:19.640 the community by a lot of content that guys like 0:10:19.679 --> 0:10:22.720 Tim Poole make. Instead you focus on you pull up 0:10:22.760 --> 0:10:24.920 one single thing that you can kind of like try 0:10:24.960 --> 0:10:27.160 to get people to latch onto, and if you can 0:10:27.160 --> 0:10:29.840 get them arguing about that thing, you can get them 0:10:29.880 --> 0:10:32.160 to ignore the bigger picture, Like at least you can 0:10:32.200 --> 0:10:34.640 distract attention from it, and it works. It works for 0:10:34.720 --> 0:10:37.400 a lot of people. It's especially effective on social media. 0:10:37.880 --> 0:10:41.640 Yeah, and unfortunately the social media platform that this is 0:10:41.679 --> 0:10:44.080 mainly happening on his Twitter, which Elon Musk owns, and 0:10:44.120 --> 0:10:49.840 Elon Musk immediately like decides that he's just fully in 0:10:49.880 --> 0:10:53.760 on this shit, and he is, I mean she is 0:10:54.040 --> 0:10:57.920 like like Elon Musk is is just actively promoting the 0:10:57.960 --> 0:11:01.400 sort of weird conspiracy that basically what the sort of 0:11:01.440 --> 0:11:05.960 right wing story about this becomes is that like, Okay, 0:11:06.080 --> 0:11:09.000 Belling Cat is. 0:11:08.040 --> 0:11:10.960 Is the CIA, and they're being paid. 0:11:10.960 --> 0:11:18.319 To create a like a false flag thing that Okay, 0:11:17.920 --> 0:11:20.440 they're they're being paid to create a false flag to 0:11:20.559 --> 0:11:22.720 make this guy look like a Nazi and a Timpoole 0:11:22.760 --> 0:11:26.640 fan to distract people from the Nashville shooting, which is 0:11:26.760 --> 0:11:32.480 just like the absolute nonsense. But you know, you you 0:11:32.520 --> 0:11:36.719 immediately get into like that that Timpool employee again like 0:11:36.760 --> 0:11:40.160 it like starts doing this whole like, uh, we are 0:11:40.280 --> 0:11:44.320 enshrined like with liberty to freely scrutinize every claim. Just 0:11:44.360 --> 0:11:47.440 this the sanctity of like every human being in America 0:11:47.559 --> 0:11:49.320 like has the right to question stuff. It's like this 0:11:49.360 --> 0:11:52.280 is like literally like literally word for word stuff Alex 0:11:52.360 --> 0:11:55.080 Jones was saying in the Sandy Hook trial. But we've 0:11:55.080 --> 0:11:58.200 gotten to the point where you just, you know, like 0:11:59.000 --> 0:12:02.199 the sort of mainstream of the right just does this 0:12:02.880 --> 0:12:05.120 about every time it's a writing mass shooting, and this 0:12:05.120 --> 0:12:09.960 this particular time, it's been just everywhere. 0:12:10.520 --> 0:12:13.760 Yeah, we're we're, we're gonna. There's no no, no smooth 0:12:13.760 --> 0:12:16.520 way to break to ads in an episode about a 0:12:16.559 --> 0:12:28.800 mass shooting. But that's what we're doing. We are back. 0:12:28.920 --> 0:12:31.280 I want to talk now a little bit more about 0:12:31.679 --> 0:12:35.440 the actual exchanges that Musk was involved in and how 0:12:35.480 --> 0:12:39.360 this narrative of like a syop and this whole narrative 0:12:39.360 --> 0:12:41.800 around the shooting being a syeop, how that viewpoint got 0:12:41.840 --> 0:12:44.200 inflated on Twitter because Musk controls where all of the 0:12:44.360 --> 0:12:49.360 interactions go for tweets and actually like specifically get into 0:12:49.440 --> 0:12:54.880 how this specific conspiracy is is a demonstration of how 0:12:54.960 --> 0:12:58.080 much of just a separation from reality that people like 0:12:58.200 --> 0:13:02.640 Musk are like actively actively working towards. One of the 0:13:02.679 --> 0:13:04.960 main accounts that Musk was kind of like riffing off 0:13:04.960 --> 0:13:07.000 of in this and who was like trying to like 0:13:07.080 --> 0:13:10.960 feed Musk this type of stuff was the Redheaded libertarian 0:13:11.120 --> 0:13:15.280 who works for Timpoole. She created a bunch of memes 0:13:15.320 --> 0:13:19.320 about this shooting talking about how how this the guy 0:13:19.440 --> 0:13:22.960 can't can't be a Nazi and he because he's Latino. 0:13:24.040 --> 0:13:26.960 You know, why would someone use a Russian social media site? 0:13:26.960 --> 0:13:29.199 Even tho it's actually very common for American coperties to 0:13:29.280 --> 0:13:31.360 use Russian social media. 0:13:32.080 --> 0:13:34.800 We used to do an exercise at a trainings that 0:13:34.840 --> 0:13:37.520 I did for Bellancat where people would go through and 0:13:37.640 --> 0:13:42.760 use v Contacta, which is a Russian like kind of 0:13:42.800 --> 0:13:47.040 Facebook clone, and you would kind of use geographical search 0:13:47.120 --> 0:13:49.520 to find groups of like KKK members and shit in 0:13:49.559 --> 0:13:51.920 the American South because it was really common with them 0:13:51.920 --> 0:13:54.000 because it didn't have any kind of content moderation. 0:13:55.600 --> 0:13:58.240 So yeah, the types of like right wing content creators 0:13:58.280 --> 0:14:01.240 who are within Musk's Twitter orbits pumping out all of 0:14:01.240 --> 0:14:03.439 this stuff, right, and this is where muskeets all of 0:14:03.480 --> 0:14:08.520 his information from. So he starts he starts like just 0:14:08.640 --> 0:14:11.920 questioning the validity of this story, but then also specifically 0:14:11.920 --> 0:14:16.560 targeting belling Cat, saying that didn't didn't didn't this story 0:14:16.640 --> 0:14:20.800 come from Bellingat, which literally specializes in psychological operations, which 0:14:20.880 --> 0:14:25.080 first of all is just a wild thing to say 0:14:24.840 --> 0:14:28.000 when you're talking about it is specifically like an open 0:14:28.040 --> 0:14:31.120 source journalism website, Like it's the most the most honest 0:14:31.200 --> 0:14:34.080 way you could do journalism because it's given people the 0:14:34.080 --> 0:14:36.640 tools to literally check all of the work themselves. 0:14:36.680 --> 0:14:39.000 Like it's yeah, I mean this. 0:14:39.160 --> 0:14:40.800 Is kind of like a minor as side. But one 0:14:40.840 --> 0:14:42.600 of the things that happens here constantly with all these 0:14:42.600 --> 0:14:45.840 people is they're like absolutely astounded, like like how how 0:14:45.840 --> 0:14:48.160 how did Belling get possibly find this guy? It's like, well, 0:14:48.440 --> 0:14:49.320 it's not that hard. 0:14:49.360 --> 0:14:50.040 It's really easy. 0:14:50.560 --> 0:14:52.320 The thing is right if if so, Like I am 0:14:52.320 --> 0:14:55.080 not a journalist, right, I learned everything I know about 0:14:55.080 --> 0:14:57.880 this from gare In like one night, and like I 0:14:58.480 --> 0:15:01.440 have tracked down like Matthews media accounts and like before 0:15:01.480 --> 0:15:03.640 the police got them. Like it's not that hard. But 0:15:03.680 --> 0:15:05.760 the thing is it requires you to, even like just 0:15:05.800 --> 0:15:09.080 a tiny tiny bit be a journalist. And not a 0:15:09.160 --> 0:15:11.080 single one of these writing people has ever like done 0:15:11.160 --> 0:15:14.240 journalism ever, and so like just like the tiniest bit 0:15:14.280 --> 0:15:16.720 of journalism just like destroys their brains and they're like 0:15:16.840 --> 0:15:19.760 they are physically incapable of comprehending how someone could have 0:15:19.840 --> 0:15:22.320 done a journalism, and then they use this to sort 0:15:22.320 --> 0:15:24.200 of feed their base because their base also just doesn't 0:15:24.280 --> 0:15:27.080 understand how someone could do a journalism and this this this, 0:15:27.080 --> 0:15:28.880 this lets you do this like cycle, Like, how could 0:15:28.880 --> 0:15:30.560 they possibly have found this? They must have been given 0:15:30.560 --> 0:15:32.400 it by the government. It's just like, No, all that. 0:15:32.440 --> 0:15:35.320 Really comes down to is is who has who is 0:15:35.400 --> 0:15:38.560 on their computer at the right time when this thing happens. Yeah, 0:15:38.560 --> 0:15:41.280 whenever I find out or whenever I can id people, 0:15:41.600 --> 0:15:44.640 it's always just like coincidence that the thing happens as 0:15:44.640 --> 0:15:47.040 I'm already at my computer, so now I can look 0:15:47.080 --> 0:15:50.760 into this thing, right, it is It is just who 0:15:50.760 --> 0:15:52.880 has access to internet at the right time is the 0:15:52.920 --> 0:15:55.640 way that we figure out, like who's gonna end up 0:15:55.640 --> 0:15:56.400 ideing somebody? 0:15:56.720 --> 0:15:58.720 Yeah, it's it's a mix of that, and it's a 0:15:58.760 --> 0:16:02.160 mix of just who has the patience and the motivation 0:16:02.360 --> 0:16:05.440 to sit and comb through shit for hours and days, 0:16:05.480 --> 0:16:07.720 which is the same thing that like, it's the same 0:16:07.720 --> 0:16:10.160 thing at anti fascist activists have been doing for years, 0:16:10.200 --> 0:16:12.960 you know, especially since Charlottesville, where you're just like I'm 0:16:12.960 --> 0:16:15.200 going to watch the same videos of the same event 0:16:15.240 --> 0:16:17.320 and find new ones and I'm going to spend three 0:16:17.400 --> 0:16:20.720 years doing that and eventually I will catch a tattoo 0:16:21.040 --> 0:16:24.120 or a shirt with a logo, and that will let 0:16:24.160 --> 0:16:27.160 me id somebody, because you know, of the of the 0:16:27.160 --> 0:16:29.360 different social media shit that I've been pulling up, like 0:16:29.360 --> 0:16:33.280 it's it's it's not. It doesn't take like spice satellites. 0:16:33.320 --> 0:16:36.440 It just takes motivation, being in the right place at 0:16:36.440 --> 0:16:38.360 the right time and having nothing else to do. 0:16:39.440 --> 0:16:42.680 Yeah, So eventually they started just kind of harping on 0:16:42.720 --> 0:16:46.640 this term syop so pich obviously means psychological operation. But 0:16:47.280 --> 0:16:51.400 what they mean when they say syop is that they 0:16:51.480 --> 0:16:54.680 mean this was like a this is a false like 0:16:54.720 --> 0:16:58.880 a manufactured government planned operation. That's what they actually mean, 0:16:58.960 --> 0:17:03.240 right Like when in the conspiracy space, syop is is 0:17:03.320 --> 0:17:06.119 more like a loaded term they don't actually refer to 0:17:06.160 --> 0:17:09.960 like actual syops that get doning like against like you know, 0:17:10.000 --> 0:17:12.600 you can look at like Cointel pro right, you can 0:17:12.640 --> 0:17:14.159 look at you can look at various ways that the 0:17:14.200 --> 0:17:17.480 FBI of the Army has done syops. But what they 0:17:17.520 --> 0:17:19.959 mean when they say syop is this is like this 0:17:20.040 --> 0:17:22.600 is a government conspiracy theory and it's a false narrative 0:17:22.640 --> 0:17:26.240 that's been crafted to like change public opinions. So I 0:17:26.240 --> 0:17:29.960 guess I guess these people Mia you mentioned how they're 0:17:29.960 --> 0:17:31.840 making it sound like this was this was created to 0:17:31.960 --> 0:17:35.159 distract from the Nashville shooting or just just they have 0:17:35.240 --> 0:17:38.360 various like motivations for why they want to but it 0:17:38.440 --> 0:17:41.480 the important part is that they could use this word 0:17:41.880 --> 0:17:44.600 to just easily deny reality, and that is that is 0:17:44.680 --> 0:17:47.480 kind of beyond like whatever motivations they have. It's just 0:17:47.600 --> 0:17:50.120 easy for them and their ideology to just block off 0:17:50.119 --> 0:17:52.439 this section of reality so that they don't have to 0:17:52.640 --> 0:17:55.760 like people who are like, actually libertarians don't need to 0:17:55.800 --> 0:17:58.760 like confront what the extent of their ideology actually means. Right, 0:17:59.359 --> 0:18:01.440 you know, there's a there's certainly people who are like, 0:18:01.480 --> 0:18:04.320 okay with mass shootings happening, or you know, are totally 0:18:04.359 --> 0:18:08.160 fine with with with like non white people getting killed 0:18:08.160 --> 0:18:10.680 in mass shootings. But there probably are certain libertarians who 0:18:10.680 --> 0:18:13.720 don't actually like mass shootings. They don't actually like when 0:18:13.760 --> 0:18:16.240 fascists go kill tons of people, and it's easier for 0:18:16.280 --> 0:18:18.720 them sometimes just to block off this section and ignore 0:18:18.720 --> 0:18:21.800 it than actually confront what their ideology means. So some 0:18:22.119 --> 0:18:24.960 must kept saying this is either the weirdest story ever 0:18:25.119 --> 0:18:27.840 or a very bad sy op. The answer is neither. 0:18:27.920 --> 0:18:30.120 The story is not super weird. It's actually very very 0:18:30.119 --> 0:18:33.439 explainable if you understand the mechanisms at play here, and 0:18:33.520 --> 0:18:35.320 even just not a bad syo. 0:18:35.920 --> 0:18:39.360 Yeah, I mean, it's not even like it's not on 0:18:39.440 --> 0:18:42.560 it's like on the whole. It's not a particularly complicated 0:18:42.640 --> 0:18:46.359 story like there are. It is not an uncommon thing. 0:18:46.400 --> 0:18:49.040 I mean, the biggest, most recent one before this was 0:18:49.080 --> 0:18:51.800 that shooting in New York at the grocery store that 0:18:51.920 --> 0:18:56.600 was like a directly inspired Nazi attack. Like, this kind 0:18:56.600 --> 0:19:00.399 of shit happens constantly in the United States. It doesn't choir, 0:19:00.560 --> 0:19:03.840 nobody has to be secretly armed by the Feds. There's 0:19:03.840 --> 0:19:06.440 an AR fifteen behind every bush in this country. It's 0:19:06.480 --> 0:19:08.640 not hard for this kind of this kind of shit. 0:19:08.720 --> 0:19:11.760 It's not hard to see where this like originates from. 0:19:12.040 --> 0:19:17.240 Yeah, so it's I mean, Muska just kept kept replying 0:19:17.280 --> 0:19:22.199 to both Timpoole employee tweets tweets from the very blatantly 0:19:22.280 --> 0:19:25.719 fascist account to end Wokeness, which Musk has been replying 0:19:25.760 --> 0:19:30.720 to quite a quite often recently. So this and I 0:19:30.800 --> 0:19:32.720 think the reason why we wanted to just talk about 0:19:32.720 --> 0:19:36.200 this specifically, is just because of you, Like all of 0:19:36.240 --> 0:19:38.639 these Musk tweets are getting like millions and millions of views, 0:19:38.680 --> 0:19:41.080 if the view counter is any is anything to go by, 0:19:41.520 --> 0:19:43.720 At the very least, he's in the top three accounts 0:19:43.720 --> 0:19:46.320 with the highest engagement on Twitter. So these these types 0:19:46.320 --> 0:19:50.840 of conspiracy theories are getting inflated to extremely high degrees 0:19:51.680 --> 0:19:55.639 at least online, and the separation of reality online is 0:19:55.880 --> 0:19:58.600 inflated for these mass shootings in a way that I 0:19:58.680 --> 0:20:01.080 have not seen in quite a I have not seen 0:20:01.119 --> 0:20:05.520 this much just denial of like information regarding mass shootings 0:20:05.560 --> 0:20:09.600 in quite a long time. And it just the combination 0:20:09.720 --> 0:20:12.160 of the stuff like the stuff with Belling Cat coming 0:20:12.240 --> 0:20:15.919 from the tankies and how those conspiracies have now mashed 0:20:15.960 --> 0:20:19.359 with all of these like neo fascist shit. It's a 0:20:19.400 --> 0:20:24.639 combination of reality denial that is absolutely worrying for like 0:20:24.760 --> 0:20:26.280 future mass shootings as well. 0:20:26.880 --> 0:20:29.880 It's a pivot in the kind of reality that's being denied. 0:20:30.160 --> 0:20:33.000 You know, not, we have nothing to do with these 0:20:33.080 --> 0:20:35.239 Nazis who are parroting some of the things that we 0:20:35.280 --> 0:20:39.359 say about immigration. It's this is fundamentally not the attack 0:20:39.600 --> 0:20:41.760 that you think it is. This is our enemies creating 0:20:41.800 --> 0:20:45.360 an attack to try to make us look bad. Like 0:20:45.440 --> 0:20:48.280 the fact that that you've always seen bits and pieces 0:20:48.280 --> 0:20:50.240 of that, the fact that it's being parroted by the 0:20:50.280 --> 0:20:53.080 wealthiest man on the planet using one of the biggest 0:20:53.080 --> 0:20:57.639 information fire hoses that exists is completely novel. 0:20:58.320 --> 0:21:00.639 Yeah, because I mean a lot of these things, conspiracy 0:21:00.680 --> 0:21:04.600 theories that specifically about like Eric Toler, we saw we 0:21:04.640 --> 0:21:08.200 saw leftists and tankies bringing up the same stuff during 0:21:08.280 --> 0:21:11.440 the UH, during the stuff with the Nazi National guardsmen 0:21:11.640 --> 0:21:14.359 a month ago, So we have a lot of this 0:21:14.359 --> 0:21:15.840 stuff has kind of been writing on the back of 0:21:15.880 --> 0:21:20.159 that and just continued and accelerating, UH since then. It 0:21:20.240 --> 0:21:23.840 appears there's a few outlets like Business Insider and blank 0:21:23.880 --> 0:21:28.080 at themselves reporting that they are they are receiving basically 0:21:28.600 --> 0:21:31.600 shadow bands on Twitter right now with their with their 0:21:31.640 --> 0:21:34.960 with their account and their posts having a very limited reach. 0:21:35.720 --> 0:21:39.320 An interesting shadow band too, because it's not like it. 0:21:39.119 --> 0:21:41.040 It appears, at least from what I've seen, that what 0:21:41.080 --> 0:21:43.800 they're doing is they're making it so that when people 0:21:43.880 --> 0:21:46.800 type Bellancat into the search bar nothing comes up, as 0:21:46.840 --> 0:21:50.119