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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, a thirteen year old little

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Speaker 1: girl seemingly vanishes into thin air. Her birthday was February

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Speaker 1: twenty two, and she had said in the past, when

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Speaker 1: I turn thirteen, I want to go away from everybody

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Speaker 1: and go live alone in the woods. And right now

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Speaker 1: I think I know. Why is this little girl still alive?

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Speaker 1: Where is Mattie?

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Speaker 2: I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us here at Crime Stories

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Speaker 1: and on Serious xem one eleven. Right off the top,

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Speaker 1: there is a very strong chance Maddie could still be alive.

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Speaker 1: Tip line for zero seven two five four seven thousand,

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Speaker 1: Repeat for zero seven two five four seven thousand. Every

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Speaker 1: minute counts with what we are dealing with right now,

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Speaker 1: her mother devastated and in the last hours around ten

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Speaker 1: pm last night, a break in the case, but still

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Speaker 1: no Maddie. First of all, take a listen to Sheriff

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Speaker 1: John Mina, Orange County.

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Speaker 3: This is every parent's worst nightmare. Many of our detectives

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Speaker 3: and deputies who are working the case they also have children,

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Speaker 3: so they're working extra hard to find Madeline. We can't

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Speaker 3: even imagine the pain and anguish that Madeline's family is

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Speaker 3: going through. But I do want to share the community

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Speaker 3: that we have well over one hundred deputies, detectives, intelligence analysts,

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Speaker 3: and specialized personnel who are in best gating this case

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Speaker 3: and searching for Madeline right now and we will not

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Speaker 3: stop until we find her.

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Speaker 1: For one hundred deputies, detectives, intelligence analysts, specialized personnel, that

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Speaker 1: means dog, candlers, drones, you name it in the search

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Speaker 1: for Madeline Soto, where is this girl?

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Speaker 2: None of it makes any sense with me, an all

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Speaker 2: Star panel.

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Speaker 1: But first I want to go out to Hannah mackenzie

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Speaker 1: joining us out of Orlando investigative reporter Fox thirty five.

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Speaker 1: Hannah McKenzie, thank you for being with us. Hannah, tell

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Speaker 1: me about the morning that Maddie disappeared.

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Speaker 4: Okay, So Maddie was last seen around eight thirty am

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Speaker 4: on Monday, February twenty six. She was dropped off outside

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Speaker 5: School officials confirm she.

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Speaker 4: Never checked in none of her classes, wasn't there the

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Speaker 4: entire day. Her family thought that she was there, but

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Speaker 4: around four thirty PM that they realized Maddie hadn't been there.

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Speaker 1: You know, before I began screaming at the top of

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Speaker 1: my lungs about why the school didn't call the parents,

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Speaker 1: why nobody knew, how whoever has her, if somebody has her,

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Speaker 1: got what an eight or nine hour jump on us?

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Speaker 1: Explained to me, you're joining us from Orlando. Where exactly

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Speaker 1: did this happen?

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Speaker 4: So this is within the Orange County School District and

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Speaker 4: the Orange County area. I've spoken with a number of

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Speaker 4: Maddie's relatives, including two of her aunts, her grandmother, and

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Speaker 4: her mother, all of whom, like you, are so puzzled

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Speaker 4: and confused as to why there wasn't a call from

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Speaker 4: and this is coming from the family, the school district's

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Speaker 4: proto call is to release a robo call around four

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Speaker 4: wasn't in class that day. But, like you said, that

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Speaker 4: gives an eight nine hour jump on any nefarious activity

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Speaker 4: that could have gone wrong. By then, It's too late.

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Speaker 4: You need to know where your child is immediately.

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Speaker 1: Nothing but a robocall, no text, no email, So unless

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Speaker 1: you're at home basically to get that call, you don't

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Speaker 1: have any idea. Guys, we are talking about a little

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Speaker 1: thirteen year old girl. We are talking about Madeline Soho.

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Speaker 1: Madeline Soto just thirteen. She goes as Maddie. Guys, you

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Speaker 1: were hearing earlier Sheriff John Meana with the Orange County Sheriffs.

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Speaker 2: Now take a listen to the sheriff.

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Speaker 3: Mom's boyfriend dropped Madeline off at about eight thirty am

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Speaker 3: on Monday morning, a few blocks away from the school.

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Speaker 3: At approximately four thirty on Monday afternoon, Madeleine's mom went

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Speaker 3: also learned that Madeleine left her phone at home that day.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I find so many things about what I'm just hearing.

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Speaker 1: To be very curious, you're hearing Sheriff John Minna from

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Speaker 2: Number one. When I dropped my.

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Speaker 1: Children at school, I take them to the door as

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Speaker 1: You know, Hannah Mackenzie, does she go to a school

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Speaker 4: I don't believe that to be the case, but Jen Soto,

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Speaker 4: Maddie's mother did tell me it was very regular forgot

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Speaker 4: few days after turning thirteen, so really she's still a

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Speaker 4: twelve year old. They're not the most responsible. And yes,

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Speaker 2: That may be true.

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Speaker 1: But let me go out to Anna Sonoda, joining US

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Speaker 1: child grooming expert, clinical social worker, author of dut Groom

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Speaker 1: Understanding how a child becomes a target. Just those words

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Speaker 1: right there, how a child becomes a target, are very

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Speaker 1: disturbing on many many levels. But Anna Sonoda, I don't know,

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Speaker 1: just based on every teene or preteing that I know,

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Speaker 1: very coincidental that this day, of all days, she goes

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Speaker 6: Yeah, That's a really curious detail, Nancy, and I would

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Speaker 6: also be curious about whether or not the boyfriend consistently

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Speaker 6: this something out of the ordinary.

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Speaker 1: We are trying to determine exactly what happened in the

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Speaker 1: morning hours when little Maddie Soto gets dropped off at

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Speaker 2: Everyone this occurred in Orlando, Florida.

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Speaker 1: It's beautiful, sunny, warm, So I'm guessing if she were

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Speaker 1: But I just haven't had very good experiences in my

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Speaker 2: So what were the temps on the twenty six.

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Speaker 4: Right now in Orlando? It has been beautiful weather. It's

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Speaker 4: no chance of hypothermia.

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Speaker 1: At least that's one thing we don't have to worry about.

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Speaker 1: For those of you just joining us. A beautiful little girl,

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Speaker 1: Madeline Soto, missing since fab twenty six. She was dropped

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Speaker 1: had never come into the school.

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Speaker 2: What more do we know? Listen to Sheriff John Mina.

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Speaker 3: We recalled on Monday evening at approximately eight pm, our

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Speaker 3: patrol deputies went out there met with Madeline's mom at

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Speaker 3: So later that evening, while we were doing investigation, we

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Speaker 3: called our bloodhound. The bloodhound did an extensive search which

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Speaker 1: Prime Stories with Nancy Grace joining me right now. Chris

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Speaker 1: mcdonna former homicide detective with over three hundred death investigations

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Speaker 1: under his belt. He's the founder of the Cold Case

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Speaker 1: Foundation and he is a star of the interview room

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Speaker 1: on YouTube. Chris mcdonna, thank you for being with us. Okay,

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Speaker 1: let me understand something and anybody on the panel. We've

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Speaker 1: Chris McDonald questioned to you, So she's last seen at

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Speaker 1: eight thirty am in the morning, when the boyfriend of

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Speaker 2: Mom's boyfriend drops her off.

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Speaker 1: There is actually surveillance video of her out of the vehicle,

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Speaker 1: at a nearby church, that is correct.

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Speaker 4: It's grainy video apparently, but it shows Maddie. We don't

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Speaker 1: Where is the church in relation to the school. When

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Speaker 1: I grew up, the school, Doctor John H. Hurd Elementary

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Speaker 2: It was the same thing.

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Speaker 1: So I'm trying to understand where is this church where

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Speaker 2: Okay, that's important, guys.

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Speaker 1: Hannah mackenzie joining us Fox thirty five, one block away

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Speaker 1: and the boyfriend said he dropped her off a couple

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Speaker 1: I don't know, but he says he dropped her off

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Speaker 1: Here is another conundrum. The police get a call the sheriffs.

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Speaker 2: Excuse me?

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Speaker 1: Is a pickup three three point thirty? What happened between

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Speaker 2: Help me? Chris mcdona.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, red flags here if the child has that type

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Speaker 7: That time obviously.

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Speaker 8: Works in favor of the suspect.

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Speaker 7: Whoever that person is at this point, and that's going

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Speaker 7: to be quite difficult to fill in that time until

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Speaker 1: Hey to you, Hannah Mackenzie, Fox thirty five. Why the

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Speaker 1: delay maybe is completely innocent. And let me stress, I

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Speaker 1: do not believe Mattie's mother is involved in her disappearance

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Speaker 1: in any way at all. But that time period that's disturbing.

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Speaker 1: Now if I can't find one of the twins, which

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Speaker 1: just once, when John David snuck off at age three

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Speaker 2: Where are you? Where are you? Where are you? Texted?

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Speaker 2: Text it texted?

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Speaker 1: Maybe Mommy didn't know that the phone had been left

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Speaker 1: I wonder if it shows where she leaves when she

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Speaker 1: I'm hearing in my ear doctor Trace sergeant search rescue,

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Speaker 1: I know you from your days as an expert dog handler.

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Speaker 1: This makes me think that she has been taken somewhere

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Speaker 1: Straight back out jo Hannah Mackenzie joining US investigative reporter

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Speaker 1: of Fox thirty five in Orlando. Let me understand, detectives

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Speaker 2: What can you tell me.

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Speaker 1: Jeri Farantina joining me homicide prosecutor, a high profile lawyer

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Speaker 1: I think I know why she wanted to go live

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Speaker 2: A red flag my rear end.

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Speaker 1: If your little girl says I want to just go

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Speaker 11: Clearly, Nancy, she's trying to distance herself from that home,

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Speaker 11: of those.

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Speaker 1: Late last night, this boyfriend was taken into custody. You

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Speaker 1: can see him wearing a white jumpsuit. That's clearly county issue.

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Speaker 1: Hannah mackenzie, what can you tell me, Hannah joining us

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Speaker 1: from Fox thirty five Orlando. What time did this go down?

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Speaker 1: And are the only two charges right now? Child abuse

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Speaker 1: material and sex battery?

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Speaker 4: Those are the only charges that we have been made

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Speaker 4: aware of, at least for this morning. At the latest

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Speaker 4: update that we got around ten forty five, those charges

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Speaker 4: are still sticking. Steffoncerns arrested for child's sexual abuse material,

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Speaker 4: possession of and then sexual battery as well. So I

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Speaker 4: did speak with a law enforcement expert last night, just

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Speaker 4: following the news that he had been arrested in maimed

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Speaker 4: prime suspect in Maddie's disappearance, And he took a look

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Speaker 4: at that purf walk video and saw that he was

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Speaker 4: wearing that suit that you mentioned, the Taievik suit, And

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Speaker 4: so he told me that that indicates that Stephon Stern's

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Speaker 4: clothing would likely have been seized and processed for genetic

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Speaker 4: and trace evidence. He also likely probably had his hands

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Speaker 4: squabbed and scrapings may have been taken from underneath his fingernails.

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Speaker 4: So I guess that is just the process where law

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Speaker 4: enforcement is right now trying to connect Stefahn Sterns with

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Speaker 4: the disappearance of Matti Soto, and better yet, try to

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Speaker 4: find where Mattie Soto.

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Speaker 1: Is right now, Doctor Trey Sargeant, joining US starch rescue

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Speaker 1: and recovery expert, knine expert and law enforcement. You are

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Speaker 1: an expert in predator behavior? Why is he wearing the

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Speaker 1: white suit? I mentioned that Hannah McKenzie elaborated upon.

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Speaker 5: Yes, Nancy, that is standard protocols to collect any evidence

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Speaker 5: which includes clothing, body fluids, hair, saliva, anything and everything.

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Speaker 5: And time is of the essence when we talk about

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Speaker 5: again the timeline or behind the kernel on this unfortunately,

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Speaker 5: and trying to catch up, so to speak, and get

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Speaker 5: evidence before it's destroyed or manipulated in any way. So

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Speaker 5: getting that up front and as close as possible, and

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Speaker 5: really covering all the bases, checking all the boxes, because

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Speaker 5: everything is pointing to him, and no matter you know,

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Speaker 5: as a prosecutor, we may think that this person is

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Speaker 5: the perpetrator, and he's a predator and all of these

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Speaker 5: things that we have to prove it, and in order

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Speaker 5: to prove that, we have to have the evidence.

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Speaker 2: Joining me is doctor Jory L.

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Speaker 1: Crasin, a psychologist's former law enforcement now faculty at Saint

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Speaker 1: Leo University at doctor Jory dot com dotr Jory, thank

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Speaker 1: you for being with us. People may say, how could

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Speaker 1: the mom not know that there was a sex predator

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Speaker 1: in her home that she was allowing access to her child?

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Speaker 1: But I see it happen all the times, and I

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Speaker 1: believe the mother. I don't think she had any idea

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Speaker 1: what was going on. I don't from what I can tell.

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Speaker 1: Hannah McKenzie jump in if I'm wrong, Doctor Jeorge, I

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Speaker 1: don't think she had any idea what was happening.

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Speaker 8: I could go with.

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Speaker 12: That also, because you know, I've had patients in child

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Speaker 12: abuse cases.

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Speaker 10: Where the mother didn't know what was going on because

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Speaker 10: of the relationship with the living or the boyfriend being

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Speaker 10: such a convincing type person.

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Speaker 8: I mean, that's all.

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Speaker 13: Part of their personality, that's part of that show that

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Speaker 13: they play. You know, that's who they are in that

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Speaker 13: grooming process. It's an art form that's well learned. One

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Speaker 13: of the points.

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Speaker 14: About her making the comment wanting to go live in

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Speaker 14: the woods, you know, I find that really kind of

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Speaker 14: disturbing and interesting. And you know, we work these with timelines,

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Speaker 14: and first thing I would want to find out is when.

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Speaker 13: Does she make that comment and who did she make

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Speaker 13: it to?

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Speaker 8: And I bet you know, you could correlate possibly the

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Speaker 8: start of any kind of sexual activity or abuse with that,

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Speaker 8: because that's that's really an escape phrase, you know, I

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Speaker 8: want to get out of here, I want to just

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Speaker 8: go live in the woods.

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Speaker 2: I've never heard that term before, an escape phrase. Crime

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Speaker 2: Stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 1: Anna Soinoda joining us, you know, and doctor Jory jump

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Speaker 1: in if you have a different idea, as well as

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Speaker 1: to you, Hannah mackenzie. Guys, we're trying to find a

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Speaker 1: little thirteen year old girl. She just turned thirteen. She's

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Speaker 1: really as Anna pointed out earlier, she's still really twelve.

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Speaker 1: She just turned thirteen a couple of days ago, and

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Speaker 1: she kept saying, when I turned thirteen, I'm gonna leave

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Speaker 1: everything behind.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna go live alone in the woods.

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Speaker 1: Why what girl says that Hannah Anna Sonoda, joining us,

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Speaker 1: author of Duck Groom, understanding how a child becomes a

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Speaker 1: target very I was thinking, you may not recognize what's

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Speaker 1: going on because your boyfriends or your husband is a predator,

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Speaker 1: But would you recognize signs in your child or if

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Speaker 1: it's a teen a teenage girl in this case, would

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Speaker 1: you think, Oh, she's just slamming her door and locking

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Speaker 1: her door, door, bedroom because she's at teen, she's having

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Speaker 1: mood swings.

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Speaker 2: Blah blah blah. And I want to circle back to

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Speaker 2: this Handa McKenzie.

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Speaker 1: I wonder if they didn't immediately come to the scene

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Speaker 1: because they discounted her as a runaway. Just a thought,

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Speaker 1: But I want to address, as Anna Sonoda, the idea

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Speaker 1: that her behavior was discounted because, oh, she's just attained

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Speaker 1: this is the way they behave with mood swings.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, Nancy, You've brought up so many interesting points, and

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Speaker 6: I want to first begin by saying that over ninety

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Speaker 6: percent of all sexual crimes occurs by somebody who is

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Speaker 6: known and trusted. Stranger danger is a complete fib and

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Speaker 6: what we need to remember in this case is that

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Speaker 6: the home is the highest risk setting. For any child.

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Speaker 6: So if we already have proof of sexual battery by

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Speaker 6: this individual that occurred in her home in KISSIMMI my alert.

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Speaker 6: Bell's already on. One thing I need your audience to

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Speaker 6: remember is that children who live with a single parent

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Speaker 6: are who is dating, are twenty times more likely to

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Speaker 6: be sexually abused than a child who is living with

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Speaker 6: two biological parents. So Mattie is already high risk for

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Speaker 6: a situation involving child sexual abuse.

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Speaker 2: Can you give me that figure again place, yes, ma'am.

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Speaker 6: So children who are living at home with a single

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Speaker 6: dating parent are twenty times more likely to be sexually

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Speaker 6: abused than a child who's living at home with two

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Speaker 6: biological parents.

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Speaker 12: I would also add to that the lethality in that

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Speaker 12: relationship of a live in is very high. That's a

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Speaker 12: risk factor too of not only sexual assault or battery,

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Speaker 12: but the lethality.

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Speaker 1: Let me understand what's happening. Hannah McKenzie joining us. This

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Speaker 1: idea of her going to quote live in the woods

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Speaker 1: was also on her phone. The police found that how

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Speaker 1: was the mom responding to all of this?

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Speaker 4: Well, Nancy? At first the family told me that that

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Speaker 4: was taken out of context. They did say that it

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Speaker 4: was a conversation between Maddie and one of her friends

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Speaker 4: and they had been discussing the state of the world,

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Speaker 4: and they said, if World War three comes, that was

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Speaker 4: their plan to get away. But I do think the

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Speaker 4: reason that they wanted to get out in front of

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Speaker 4: that text message, because that's what grabbed all the headlines

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Speaker 4: right immediately. When you hear that, you think run away,

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Speaker 4: and that's what you brought up, Nancy. I think the

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Speaker 4: family was so fearful that law enforcement and everybody else

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Speaker 4: was just going to cast judgment that this was just

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Speaker 4: a runaway, and they wanted all eyes on Maddie's disappearance

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Speaker 4: because they truly believed she did not run away and

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Speaker 4: she was taken and something to farious has happened.

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Speaker 1: I'm just curious how much time they wasted Jarrett Farantino

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Speaker 1: thinking that Maddie was a runaway. Her mother has stayed

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Speaker 1: in that she has never run away from home before,

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Speaker 1: not once, not Ever.

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Speaker 11: Those are precious moments, as you all know, in the

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Speaker 11: initial stages of the investigation, and although everyone claims they

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Speaker 11: treat a runaway a missing child the same as if

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Speaker 11: they believe someone has been harmed, they don't I mean,

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Speaker 11: this was a very pressing situation. This was not a

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Speaker 11: child who wandered off into the woods, and that sentiment

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Speaker 11: could have thrown off the early stages of the search

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Speaker 11: for Mattie.

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Speaker 1: Here, I'm trying to figure out how much time they

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Speaker 1: actually lost, and we know because the school claims they

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Speaker 1: did a robocall to the parents, we've lost several hours. Question, Hannah, mackenzie,

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Speaker 1: is the boyfriend now behind bars in custody on sex

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Speaker 1: battery and possession of material related to child sex abuse?

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Speaker 1: Is he saying anything at all about where Maddie may be?

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Speaker 4: From this point, we don't know if he's cooperating with

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Speaker 4: the law enforcement. The last update that we got from them,

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Speaker 4: they had mentioned that he had invoked his right to

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Speaker 4: an attorney and was placed under arrest. That to me

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Speaker 4: is a red flag saying he is not speaking until

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Speaker 4: he has someone present legally representing him.

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Speaker 1: I understand that Granny video surveillance, which may be the

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Speaker 1: most important clue we've got yet, and I assume that

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Speaker 1: police are combing through his vehicle with a fine toothed

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Speaker 1: comb right now, But that Grandy's surveillance isn't that around

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Speaker 1: eight point fifty eight five zero am in the morning

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Speaker 1: and doesn't last for about ten minutes. Do you believe

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Speaker 1: that Maddie appears to be sitting in the parking lot

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Speaker 1: as if she's waiting for someone.

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Speaker 4: I'm actually not too sure about the details of that

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Speaker 4: surveillance video taken from the church. Maddie's Jen told me

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Speaker 4: she wasn't even allowed.

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Speaker 2: To see it.

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Speaker 4: She did tell me her sister had seen it, and

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Speaker 4: then it seems like law enforcement took a little bit

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Speaker 4: of a backstep and said, well, it's very grainny. We

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Speaker 4: haven't even been able to prove without a reasonable doubt

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Speaker 4: that it is Maddie. And that is when he mentioned

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Speaker 4: that there was other video taken from the area as well.

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Speaker 1: Based on that granny surveillance video that occurred around eight

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Speaker 1: fifty eight m on the morning of February twenty six,

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Speaker 1: it appears, according to a family friend, that it is

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Speaker 1: Madeline and she appears to be sitting there as if

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Speaker 1: she was told to wait, like she's waiting on someone. Now,

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Speaker 1: I don't know how much you can glean how you

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Speaker 1: can determine that from a surveillance video, but that's what

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Speaker 1: was stated by a family friend. Well more, can you

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Speaker 1: tell me about the relationship between the mom and the boyfriend.

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Speaker 4: Well, Nancy, it is interesting that, but sometimes Stefon Stearns

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Speaker 4: is referred.

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Speaker 2: To as boyfriend.

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Speaker 4: Other times he is ex boyfriend. When I spoke with

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Speaker 4: Mattie's mom, Jen, we did that initial interview and it

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Speaker 4: was via zoom the entire time. Stefan Stearns is in

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Speaker 4: the background. He's sitting just behind Jen, and he makes

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Speaker 4: his appearance known. He comes in during the interview, drops

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Speaker 4: a chair quite loudly, and then sits just behind Jen,

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Speaker 4: staring into the camera, popping his knuckles audibly, cracking his

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Speaker 4: hands and fidgeting the entire time she's talking to me.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I'm not, certainly not an expert in non.

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Speaker 1: Verbal messages, but Jarrett Farantino, you and I have tried

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Speaker 1: enough cases to know what that means. It's intimidating, it's defensive,

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Speaker 1: it's a power play. Like just I find that really bizarre.

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Speaker 11: It is bizarre, and that's not the way. Whatever his

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Speaker 11: intention was with that behavior, it's certainly not consistent with

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Speaker 11: someone who number one, was the last person to see

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Speaker 11: this child before she went missing, and number two, someone

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Speaker 11: who's concerned and wants to utilize the media to get

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Speaker 11: the message out. It's somebody who at a minimum is

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Speaker 11: trying to be intimidating or is just acting strange, not

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Speaker 11: in keeping with someone who's concerned.

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Speaker 1: And Jared, let's just clear something up. He can have

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Speaker 1: a lawyer tell him, exercise your fith him after speaking

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Speaker 1: to him, say take the fit, don't talk. He doesn't

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Speaker 1: have to talk about his child sex materials climb or

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Speaker 1: his sixth battery climb. But if he wants to find Maddie,

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Speaker 1: he could talk about that and wave his right to

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Speaker 1: remain silent on that issue alone.

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Speaker 11: Could hate He certainly can, And it looks like the

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Speaker 11: police gauge him the opportunity to do just that, and

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Speaker 11: they said he denied them the opportunity to bring closure

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Speaker 11: and find Maddie. That statement has come out, so it

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Speaker 11: appears that they've even given him that narrow road to say,

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Speaker 11: help us find her. Clear up this disappearance. And he's

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Speaker 11: invoked his right to counsel. And you know as well

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Speaker 11: as I do, no one's going to advise that he

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Speaker 11: come in and come Queen Anna Mackenzie.

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure about this, but I'm getting the idea

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Speaker 1: that what you're telling me or what this means is

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Speaker 1: that there is surveillance video from other cameras, business or

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Speaker 1: residential that suggests that was not Maddie in the parking lot.

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Speaker 4: Well, it's unclear because initially family had said there was

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Speaker 4: video of Maddie taken from surveillance video from the church

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Speaker 4: near where she was dropped off. The sheriff's office came

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Speaker 4: back after and said, well, it's very grainy and we

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Speaker 4: haven't for sure ruled out that that is her or not,

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Speaker 4: But he did also mention. Sheriff Mina also mentioned in

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Speaker 4: his press conference that there was other video taken from

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Speaker 4: the area, and I think that's just standard protocol when

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Speaker 4: it comes into play. I mean, they're going to go

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Speaker 4: to every business, every camera that they can find in

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Speaker 4: that vicinity.

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Speaker 1: I understand that, But my point is jumping ahead. Does

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Speaker 1: the other video from the area corroborate that she was

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Speaker 1: ever in the boyfriend's vehicle, that he ever dropped her off,

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Speaker 1: or do they just keep going? Is that why the

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Speaker 1: dogs aren't picking up a cent? Because I trust the Bloodhouns.

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Speaker 1: If they're not picking up a cent, then there's something

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Speaker 1: wrong with the story. What is wrong with the story.

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: Does that video suggest that was another girl in the

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Speaker 1: parking lot?

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Speaker 4: I agree with you, and I think it only.

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Speaker 2: Chris mcdonn is that you jump in.

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Speaker 5: Yes, ma'am.

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Speaker 7: That's a great point because that would be the pivotal

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Speaker 7: moment that the electronic shift would have occurred in terms

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Speaker 7: of the investigation. If in fact they have the video

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Speaker 7: and they're not seeing, you know, the young lady sitting,

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Speaker 7: then if they see the car agalle buy immediately they're

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Speaker 7: going to start looking for that digital footprint. And that's

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Speaker 7: probably they downloaded it into a program called Celebrate and

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Speaker 7: you can get pictures and everything almost immediately, and.

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Speaker 8: That's probably what turned their.

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Speaker 7: Head towards this guy and said, hey, wait a minute,

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Speaker 7: we got some other.

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Speaker 2: Problems, which reminds me.

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Speaker 1: I'm glad you said that Hannah McKenzie was the make

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Speaker 1: and model of his car.

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Speaker 5: Not for sure.

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Speaker 4: I was told by Maddie's aunt that it was an

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Speaker 4: older model Buick. That's what she believed it to be.

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Speaker 1: The reason I'm disappointed is because if it were a

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Speaker 1: more recent version, I would know that there was a

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Speaker 1: nav navigational equipment in the car, so there would be

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Speaker 1: a way for that car to be tracked. That said,

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Speaker 1: if he kept a cell phone with him, which I

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Speaker 1: predict that he did, we would be able to pay

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Speaker 1: in track that cell phone to find out where he

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Speaker 1: had been in that vehicle. The car is being processed

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Speaker 1: to find out if Maddie was harmed in that vehicle.

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Speaker 11: Nanthy, it's Jared absolutely. That's going to be a huge

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Speaker 11: piece his comings and goings. You know, the police have

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Speaker 11: his phone, that's where they found the child abuse materials,

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Speaker 11: so they're going to be able to trace number one

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Speaker 11: if he did in fact drop Maddie off or where

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Speaker 11: in any of the surrounding areas he may have gone

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Speaker 11: with her or taken her, could have left her her

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Speaker 11: body God forbid. But that's really going to be where

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Speaker 11: the investigation is at right now.

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Speaker 1: If you know or think you know anything about the

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Speaker 1: disappearance of this thirteen year old little girl, Maddie Soto,

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Speaker 1: please call four zero seven two five four seven thousand.

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Speaker 1: We are waiting for the making model of the boyfriend's car.

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Speaker 1: But please think back, were you in the area, Do

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Speaker 1: you know anything? Does your son or daughter know anything

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Speaker 1: that Maddie may have said? Four zero seven two five

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Speaker 1: four seven thousand. We wait as just as unfalls. Goodbye,