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Speaker 1: It's time to get inside the Giants Huttle on Giants

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Speaker 1: to a special Papa's Perspective edition of the Giants Hubtle podcast,

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Speaker 1: Bob Papa With two time Super Bowl champion Carl Banks,

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Speaker 1: the Giants will host the Detroit Lions at MetLife Stadium

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Speaker 1: almost thirty two years to the day, November eighth. Carl,

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Speaker 1: you were part of the Giants team that hosted the Lions.

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Speaker 1: You were nine and oh going into the game, but

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Speaker 1: you were taking on the great Barry Sanders and you

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Speaker 1: guys won that football game by a score of twenty

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Speaker 1: to nothing. What was it like leading up to the

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Speaker 1: game for you in that great defense? Well, he was

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Speaker 1: our biggest challenge, Bob, and I tell you he was

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Speaker 1: everything that he was built to be. I mean he

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Speaker 1: was just loose off. I mean, we the way we

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Speaker 1: had to practice, it was almost like we were out

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Speaker 1: chasing chickens in practice is not literally, but like we

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Speaker 1: would have guys simulate him just running everywhere and just

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Speaker 1: And you know, one of the knocks on him is

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Speaker 1: they didn't think he could catch. The scouting reports didn't

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Speaker 1: have him catching a lot of footballs out of college.

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Speaker 1: He's a good screen pass runner to anything that got

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Speaker 1: him an open, open field. UM, but it was it

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Speaker 1: was a challenge, but we did not UM take on

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Speaker 1: the challenges individuals. We took it on as a defensive collective.

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Speaker 1: Talk about that team, UM, you know, and how much

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Speaker 1: pride you took in your run defense about not allowing

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Speaker 1: guys to get a hundred yards against you. Yeah, I mean, listen,

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Speaker 1: it didn't matter what name was on the back of

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Speaker 1: the jersey or what the stats said. UM. As a team,

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Speaker 1: we thought it was important, UH to the way we

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Speaker 1: played our mentality UM to limit runners to under a

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Speaker 1: hundred yards. We we felt that our formula for success

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Speaker 1: is to stop to run and limit passing. You know,

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Speaker 1: there were some some teams that we didn't allow two

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Speaker 1: just a sense of pride, and that was what Giant

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Speaker 1: heart nosed football. Do you remember, um, what the meetings

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Speaker 1: were like with coach Belichick that week because he's your

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Speaker 1: defensive coordinator. Yeah. Like so Bill's when he wants to

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Speaker 1: make a pointer, emphasize something that's really important, he always

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Speaker 1: starts with, hey, listen, hey, look, I'm just telling you.

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Speaker 1: is on film. And he's start with that whole, that

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Speaker 1: whole thing. He's never I don't think he ever um

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Speaker 1: But he's like he he levels set right away. He

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Speaker 1: he starts with, hey, listen, look, I'm just telling you

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Speaker 1: this guy can make you miss, this guy can catch,

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Speaker 1: this guy can run. And sometimes we we laugh at

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Speaker 1: him in meetings because Bill, you just hyping this guy up.

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Speaker 1: This was as soon as he cut the film on,

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Speaker 1: we knew that he was everything that we thought he was.

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Speaker 1: And when the game started. It was he was just

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Speaker 1: that dynamic alright. So, um, Phil Simms hits the touchdown

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Speaker 1: it kind of took Barry out of the run game,

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Speaker 1: You know, he never really showed emotion. Uh, he was

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Speaker 1: We just tried to bottle him up as much as possible,

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Speaker 1: and um we did it. We did a pretty decent job. Now, Um, well,

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Speaker 1: Well again, like you said, being from Michigan, going to

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Speaker 1: Hall of Famer Dan Marino came in there, and you

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Speaker 1: year that ain't the Jets, UM and just talk about

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Speaker 1: And it was when you say that, Bob, it's knowing

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Speaker 1: telling you know an inside secret. We used the rules

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Speaker 1: And you know, we were looking at some of our

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Speaker 1: at that game, I would say halfway through, he's completely frazzled.

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Speaker 1: He's complaining to the officials. Um, and we never hit

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Speaker 1: more than because he had never experienced it. Because the

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Speaker 1: so it was balls out, go pursue. Right. We didn't

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Speaker 1: after that meeting it could be as good as the

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Speaker 1: sack bill. He was calling me a teacher's pair, right.

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Speaker 1: But our entire pass rush we just put our pass

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Speaker 1: focus is the shutting down of Barry Sanders. Carl, thanks

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