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Speaker 2: Part of the Giants Podcast Network. Let's role. Welcome to

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Speaker 2: another edition of the Giants Little Podcast, brought to you

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Speaker 2: by Citizens, the official bank of the New York Football Giants.

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Speaker 2: I am John Schvelk. We're joined again by front of

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Speaker 2: the program Ryan Wilson. He does NFL Draft for CBS Sports.

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Speaker 2: You can check him out cbssports dot com, CBS Sports, HQ,

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Speaker 2: everything else over there at CBS. Ryan, it's good to

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Speaker 2: talk to you, my friend. How is draft season treating you?

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Speaker 2: Twenty twenty four good? We saw each other at the combine.

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Speaker 2: It feels like it was yesterday. The thing is, uh

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Speaker 2: scooting right along. I think we have twenty five ish

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Speaker 2: days or so till the actual.

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Speaker 1: Draft and uh or you know, it will be summertime

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Speaker 1: and we'll be looking at it at twenty twenty five,

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Speaker 1: which is bonkers. But uh yeah, so far, so good,

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Speaker 2: It's such a long process that you know, people like

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Speaker 2: you who do this even more so than I do.

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Speaker 2: But you know, I started summer scouting last year, and

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Speaker 2: you know, June and July to try to get ahead

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Speaker 2: a little bit. What are some of the things over

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Speaker 2: the course of this process that have really surprised you

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Speaker 2: about this class that if we had this conversation back

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Speaker 2: in September, you wouldn't have expected.

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Speaker 1: Well. In September, we were talking about Shodor Sanders being

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Speaker 1: potentially one of the first quarterbacks drafted, which is sort

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Speaker 1: of funny. In September, there were all those Ohio State

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Speaker 1: kids that we were coming out. They were talking about

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Speaker 1: the Denzel Burks, Trevon Henderson, j T Tumaloau, Jack Sawyer,

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Speaker 1: even they all returned to school. We were also talking.

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Speaker 1: We weren't talking about JJ McCarthy on a national stage,

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Speaker 1: or really Jade and Daniels quite yet, right, or really

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Speaker 1: Jade Daniels exactly. One of the guys that I was

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Speaker 1: looking forward to watching from summer was Riley Leonard, the

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Speaker 1: Spencer Ratler, who had a soft spot four, ended up

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Speaker 1: having a pretty good season under some trying circumstances. But

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Speaker 1: if he'd ball out two or three years ago, he

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Speaker 1: was the presumed first quarterback drafted and Kayleb Williams happened

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Speaker 1: to him in Oklahoma. So yeah, certainly a lot has changed.

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Speaker 1: Amarus Mims. We had an idea of who he was

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Speaker 1: based on this one playoff game in after the twenty

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Speaker 1: he had a full season under his belt. He didn't

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Speaker 1: Of course, Brydon Fisk is a great story. Western Michigan transfer,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and look, I think that's what's really turned this

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Speaker 2: into such a good draft class, right. You have had

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Speaker 2: guys that we knew about for a long time, you know,

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Speaker 1: I think that's how strong this top ten is. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Ma corral through a touchdown pass. He was my favorite

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Speaker 1: Maybe maybe I saw the highlighting on Twitter, I was

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Speaker 2: But you were at two big quarterback pro days last week, Ryan,

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Speaker 1: that's what Jane Daniels brings to the table. The ball

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Speaker 2: I mean, by god, there are slot feeds down the field.

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Speaker 2: And I don't anyone that says that has not watched

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Speaker 1: Right, So that's why you have to take it with

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Speaker 1: This is interesting. So we go to Chapa Hill the

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Speaker 1: next day to watch Drake May. Drake May has tes

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Speaker 1: Because the decisions he makes are question you make, you

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Speaker 1: so you have to understand that he is going to

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Speaker 2: definitely gonna be the fourth wide receiver off the board?

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Speaker 2: And I think there's a run as factor there. Talking

431
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Speaker 2: to scouts, wh and you ait that pro day, What

432
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Speaker 2: are they to say about Brian Thomas Junior.

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Speaker 1: Uh, they're very impressive here that the uh the hold on,

434
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Speaker 1: I forgot to turn my phone off. I'm an old person.

435
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Speaker 1: I apologize now you Yeah, the comp that spielmanhaster him

436
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Speaker 1: is a really good comp because sometimes it's hard to

437
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Speaker 1: think about someone who's six three and two ten or

438
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Speaker 1: whatever he is. He runs a four three three, it's

439
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Speaker 1: George Pickens. Like, if you like George Pickens at his best,

440
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Speaker 1: that's Brian Thomas Junior. And he's still you know, you

441
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Speaker 1: talk about those inside fade touchdowns that Jane Dale's typically

442
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Speaker 1: those were going to Brian Thomas Jr. And he was

443
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Speaker 1: you know, Randy Moss and whoever the poor SEC defensive

444
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Speaker 1: back was in front of him. And that's the other thing.

445
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Speaker 1: He's playing in the SEC. He's not playing Division III

446
00:19:57,480 --> 00:20:00,000
Speaker 1: football and just destroying kids that are going to be accountants.

447
00:20:00,359 --> 00:20:02,560
Speaker 1: He's destroying guys that are gonna be playing in the league.

448
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Speaker 1: I like him. I'm right now as my wide or

449
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Speaker 1: sewer four. I have him like a mid first round

450
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Speaker 1: great on him, if that's what you want to call it.

451
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Speaker 1: I have them. I have Marvin Malik and a Duneesay

452
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Speaker 1: pretty cluster together. It's top ten picks and then Brian

453
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Speaker 1: Thomas in the middle of the first round. But if

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Speaker 1: you would I take him at six. Probably not, but

455
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Speaker 1: if you love him, you love them. And the other

456
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Speaker 1: thing is is this so you got Jalen Hyatt, who

457
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Speaker 1: I like coming out, but he's one year guy in

458
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Speaker 1: sort of developmental. I think that's fair to say. You

459
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Speaker 1: have Wondell who's undersized, who came back nicely from the Aco,

460
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Speaker 1: you have Darius Slayton, and then after that it's pretty

461
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Speaker 1: pretty wide open and there's no Brian Thomas junior type

462
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Speaker 1: on the roster except for Darren Waller, who might retire

463
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Speaker 1: for talking about size down the middle of the field

464
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Speaker 1: if we don't know what Darren's feature is going to be,

465
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Speaker 1: So if that's what you're looking for, like, I think

466
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Speaker 1: it makes more sense for a Brian Thomas junior in

467
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Speaker 1: New York for the Giants than to add him literally

468
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Speaker 1: to the Steelers, where we have two George Pickens. I

469
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Speaker 1: like that, but there's a you know, you'd rather have

470
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Speaker 1: a maybe a different flavor, because it is gonna sound

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Speaker 1: crazy to say I might rather have Lad mcconkeie and

472
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Speaker 1: George Pickens than George Pickens and and Brian Thomas junior

473
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Speaker 1: better fit.

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Speaker 2: I think with with Pickens, I agree with that you

475
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Speaker 2: want to have, you know, two different types of wide receivers.

476
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Speaker 2: On that roster when you when you're doing all these

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Speaker 2: mock drafts, right, and obviously you can go check out

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Speaker 2: on CBS sports dot com all the all the mock drafts.

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Speaker 2: What ticks are you having the most trouble figuring out?

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Speaker 2: And what teams are you having the most trouble deciding

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Speaker 2: what they're gonna do?

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Speaker 1: Uh?

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Speaker 2: Early in this draft?

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Speaker 1: So uh, twelve and thirteen because assuming the Viking is

485
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Speaker 1: straight up at eleven, right, and they're gonna get a

486
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Speaker 1: quarterback and sell the farm, there's no I don't know

487
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Speaker 1: what the plant. The plant be can't be Sam Donald.

488
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Speaker 1: Maybe they stay put in and play with Sam Donald.

489
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Speaker 1: Maybe it works, sause Kevin O'Connell is a great coach

490
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Speaker 1: in terms of coach of the Quardecks. Maybe it works.

491
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Speaker 1: But as a Giants fan, you've seen Sam Donald priay

492
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Speaker 1: closer than you've wanted to, uh, just tangentially being the

493
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Speaker 1: Jets playing the same building, and it's not been pretty.

494
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Speaker 1: There wasn't necessarily great, and the limited time you got

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Speaker 1: in San Francisco over the last season. But what does

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Speaker 1: Denver do at twelve? And then what does Las Vegas

497
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Speaker 1: do at thirteen? Because if the quarter if you're out

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Speaker 1: of quarterbacks. Sean Payton is not a big rookie quarterback guy.

499
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Speaker 1: I was reading something in the Athletic or he was

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Speaker 1: grilling Bownicks in their meeting, and one of the questions

501
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Speaker 1: he asked BOWNICKX is what size shoe you wear? Bo

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Speaker 1: said twelve, and Sean said, well, you look more like

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Speaker 1: at thirteen. It's like, well, that's a weird thing to say.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what you get out of that other

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Speaker 1: than being, you know, like a jerk. But okay, like

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Speaker 1: I you know, you try to figure out who these

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Speaker 1: players are. I don't know if asking them shoe SiZ

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Speaker 1: this is the way to go. But my point is

509
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Speaker 1: that Sean seems to prefer veteran quarterbacks not named Russ.

510
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Speaker 1: He's rarely started. I don't think he's ever started a

511
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Speaker 1: rookie and not done it for a while. So you

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Speaker 1: have that at twelve and then at thirteen, what's Antonio

513
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Speaker 1: Pierce gonna do? Antonio Pierce was he was the only

514
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Speaker 1: raider I saw it in the LSU Pro day. But

515
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Speaker 1: he was there front center watching and maybe he was

516
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Speaker 1: watching the receivers. Maybe DeVante Adams. You know, he's twenty

517
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Speaker 1: nine thirty. So maybe you're trying to add a weapon

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Speaker 1: for whoever the quarterback ends up being there, But you

519
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Speaker 1: would have to imagine that he's looking at Aden the

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Speaker 1: next day, I don't know if he was at the

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Speaker 1: Michael Pennix Pro Day, which was the twenty four hours later.

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Speaker 1: So those are the biggest questions for me. And look,

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Speaker 1: Denver could take a cornerback and absolutely smash it. Las

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Speaker 1: Vegas could do the same. They could take Ant Rusher,

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Speaker 1: they could take Byron Murphy there along the interior defensive line,

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Speaker 1: and that would be a great pick. But if you

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Speaker 1: don't have a quarterback, you're not winning this league. So

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Speaker 1: those two picks are the ones that I struggle with

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Speaker 1: the most, just because if you're not trading up in

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Speaker 1: Minnesota Beach to the Punch, you're on GB five already

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Speaker 2: year long. Ryan, who are maybe some of the guys

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Speaker 2: in this class. They don't have to be first rounders.

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Speaker 2: They could be Day three guys, Day two guys that

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Speaker 2: you think the league should be higher on that you

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Speaker 2: may be like a little bit more than the consensus.

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Speaker 1: All right, you know what we're gonna do. We do

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Speaker 1: this this time of year on on the podcast We Go.

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Speaker 1: We do seven round mock drafts for every individual team.

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Speaker 1: So I'm gonna tell you my buddy Emory Hunt, who

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Speaker 1: I work with.

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Speaker 2: You know I know Emory well, he did the Giants.

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Speaker 1: Draft with me. So here's the six overall. Jayden Daniels slips.

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Speaker 1: You're taking Jade Daniels if he's there? Six? Correct? Okay?

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Speaker 1: I like that. So at forty seven, how are you

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Speaker 1: on Peyton Wilson, linebacker out of NC State.

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Speaker 2: I'm not a doctor, but you can play two shoulders

556
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Speaker 2: because I think if I think he is first in

557
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Speaker 2: the first round tape, so if the doctors clear him,

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Speaker 2: I think he's a heck of a player. I don't

559
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Speaker 2: think there's much of a need in linebacker with Bobby o'kaarake.

560
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Speaker 2: But in Shane Bowen's system, is you going to try

561
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Speaker 2: to play three linebackers a little bit more? In which

562
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Speaker 2: case you do you need a third one? So I

563
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Speaker 2: think that's interesting. I think talent wise that that is

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Speaker 2: certainly a nice picking round two.

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Speaker 1: Oh, I see, okay, so you're not crazy. But no,

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Speaker 1: that's good. I want to know this because you know

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Speaker 1: Emory Stows will be the Giants insider and he's over.

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Speaker 1: He's already got an f on the second round. Great,

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Speaker 1: all right? How about Jermaine Burton.

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Speaker 2: Alison at Alabama, the.

571
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Speaker 1: Big wide receiver at Alabama. He has some deep speed

572
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Speaker 1: pick number seventy, so you get him in round three. There.

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Speaker 2: I understand there might be some wall field stuff with

574
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Speaker 2: him that you know. I'm not sure how the Giants

575
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Speaker 2: think about him, But as a player and a receiver,

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Speaker 2: if you're getting the quarterback at one, I think in

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Speaker 2: terms of talent wise, I don't think you're finding a

578
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Speaker 2: much more talented wide receiver in the third round. But

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Speaker 2: I would think generally, speaking of you want quarterback round one,

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Speaker 2: I would be very surprised if the wide receiver wasn't

581
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Speaker 2: off the board in round two. Yeah, but Burn's a

582
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Speaker 2: good player. I like him in round three.

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Speaker 1: And I'll just mention one last name here because I'm

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Speaker 1: making a note here to fire Emory for next year's

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Speaker 1: All Right, One player that I do like a lot

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Speaker 1: and I want to hear you think about this is

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Speaker 1: Texas Tech safety Dadrian Taylor Dimmerson. I know if you

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Speaker 1: hadn opportunity to see him.

594
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Speaker 2: But I've not watched his tape yet. I've seen his testing,

595
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Speaker 2: which has obviously been fantastic.

596
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Speaker 1: Had a great Shrine Bowl. He plays deep, but he

597
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Speaker 1: can play closer to line of scrimmage. He plays with

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Speaker 1: an edge, and I like him a lot, and I

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Speaker 1: think that we're gonna hear more about him, maybe not

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Speaker 1: in the weeks to the draft, but after he's drafted

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Speaker 1: and folks like, all right, who's this guy? And when

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Speaker 1: people go back and see him and once we get

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Speaker 1: into the practices and August rolls RN, he's gonna be

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Speaker 1: one of those guys that I feel that's gonna flash early.

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Speaker 1: Is there a need there at safety for the giants?

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Speaker 1: Didn't forget that? Okay, thank you, Emory, there we go.

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Speaker 1: We finally got that.

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Speaker 2: Right No, no, McKinnie, right now, right now. Dean Belton

609
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Speaker 2: is the presumptive starter next to Jason Pinnott, but he

610
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Speaker 2: hasn't really I don't think shown a Ton as a

611
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Speaker 2: starter yet. So there's a need. The other need to authority.

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Speaker 2: Ryan is defense is a cornerback, you know, Dorri Jackson's

613
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Speaker 2: not back. We don't really know who the other two

614
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Speaker 2: starters are. Are some Deontay Banks, Cordinal Flot maybe Nick McCleod.

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Speaker 2: Maybe do you have a day two, day three you

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Speaker 2: know corner that you really like that could be a

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Speaker 2: fit either in it could be inside or outside.

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Speaker 1: I gues see the giants need both, to be quite

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Speaker 1: honest with you. Yeah, and this is another one of

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Speaker 1: Memory's guys out of Florida State. Let's see, I have

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Speaker 1: a Day three grade on him and we had him

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Speaker 1: going at pick one oh seven, so early fourth Bernardo

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Speaker 1: Green out of Florida State. I I liked him. Emory

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Speaker 1: liked him a lot. He liked a little more. I

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Speaker 1: he's mostly outside, played a few snaps in the S slot.

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Speaker 1: Excuse me, but five eleven one eighty six ran four

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Speaker 1: four nine. But again, Florida State guy, I'm looking at

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Speaker 1: this number real quick. U thirteen pass break US three touchdowns,

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Speaker 1: give it one interception this season. So Emory was high

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Speaker 1: on him. I'm trying to read my notes, having four

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Speaker 1: hundred guys I'm going through. When you're trust me, I

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Speaker 1: get it a lot, a lot. What am I looking

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Speaker 1: at here? Yeah? So anyway, he was the uh he

634
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Speaker 1: was the forefront pick that that Emory had. Emory was

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Speaker 1: big and nardo green. Again, I liked him. I didn't

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Speaker 1: love him as much as as Emory did, but it's

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Speaker 1: hard to tell. Like with the quarterbacks, you can like

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Speaker 1: a guy, you can like their physical tools, and I

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Speaker 1: like that with him, but sometimes it doesn't translate and

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Speaker 1: then you get coached up. And this is another thing

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Speaker 1: that I was just talking to someone about this morning,

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Speaker 1: the coaching in college. Coaching in college, when you compared

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Speaker 1: to the NFL coaching can literally be night and day

644
00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:34,480
Speaker 1: because in college, the goals are different. The goal is

645
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Speaker 1: to win now because this coach is going to get fired.

646
00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:39,120
Speaker 1: So you're trying to find athletes or guys who have

647
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Speaker 1: a sense of hacks sort of have a sense of

648
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Speaker 1: what they're doing. And the footwork may not be there,

649
00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:45,960
Speaker 1: the hand place that may not be there. All those

650
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Speaker 1: things may not be exactly where they need to be

651
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Speaker 1: when you're talking about dotting every eye and crossing every

652
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Speaker 1: tea when you get to the NFL. And I think

653
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Speaker 1: that's also the justin Herbert conversation, those are the things

654
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Speaker 1: that I missed, Like you have to underst that there's

655
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Speaker 1: a room for growth when you're talking about twenty one

656
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Speaker 1: twenty two year olds. But Ronardo Green was one of

657
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Speaker 1: the guys that was a Day three target that Emory liked.

658
00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:11,120
Speaker 1: And I'll give you a guy that I like in

659
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Speaker 1: day three. If he's we'll see if he's there in

660
00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:16,160
Speaker 1: day three. I like Ryan Watts out of Texas. He

661
00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:18,560
Speaker 1: plays outside. Jerrus Monroe out of two lanes as the

662
00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:20,200
Speaker 1: guy just watched recent lance like go okay.

663
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Speaker 2: I like Monroe. I watched him at Frisco and I

664
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Speaker 2: went down there for the shrine ball. I thought, oh nice,

665
00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:27,840
Speaker 2: and he even played some safety down there too at

666
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Speaker 2: that didn't Frisco as well.

667
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Speaker 1: Yeah, And the thing you learned pretty quickly as you

668
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Speaker 1: start going through these guys after the season is that

669
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Speaker 1: there are a lot of dudes out there that didn't

670
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Speaker 1: get topped up a lot because they didn't play on

671
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Speaker 1: a good football team or they went to play it

672
00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:40,760
Speaker 1: for a smaller school, And like, oh, these guys can

673
00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:43,560
Speaker 1: compete like they're not everyone's going to be quinya on Mitchell,

674
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Speaker 1: But there's guys out there who have seventy five percent

675
00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:47,840
Speaker 1: of quentiny On Mitchell in terms of the school they

676
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Speaker 1: played at, in the way in which they play, and

677
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Speaker 1: how it translates. And Jerious Monroe was a pleasant surprise.

678
00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:55,880
Speaker 1: And day one, Hardy's one last guy I mentioned slot

679
00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:57,760
Speaker 1: guy out of Penn State. He's a little smaller five

680
00:29:57,840 --> 00:30:00,960
Speaker 1: to nine, but that guy plays plays with an edge.

681
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:03,720
Speaker 1: So there's some some defensive backs that were that were

682
00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:05,480
Speaker 1: a little I had great, a little higher than the

683
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Speaker 1: Lenardo Green who he ended up taking in the Giants

684
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Speaker 1: mock draft.

685
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Speaker 2: Final question here, I'm gonna make it a multi part

686
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Speaker 2: AsSalt cheat.

687
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Speaker 1: All Right, A.

688
00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:16,280
Speaker 2: Couple other Giant needs, I'll throw at you. You can reference

689
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Speaker 2: back to the to the to the mock if you

690
00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:21,680
Speaker 2: like running back with Saquon Barkley right, and then I

691
00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:25,800
Speaker 2: think interior offensive and defensive line, guard and defensive tackle

692
00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:30,480
Speaker 2: if you want to attack guard DT and RBH on

693
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Speaker 2: our final question, guys who maybe the like guys in

694
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Speaker 2: the mock draft. However you want to attack it, you

695
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Speaker 2: could attack it as a day two or day three picks.

696
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Speaker 1: Yeah, how high are you taking a Trey Benson a

697
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Speaker 1: round two? No?

698
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Speaker 2: I think I think I think round three more likely

699
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Speaker 2: round four, kind of right in the middle of that

700
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Speaker 2: kind of running back run, you know.

701
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Speaker 1: Yeah, because I agree with you like I like Trey

702
00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:53,160
Speaker 1: Benson a lot. I like Jonathan Brooks, I like Jalen Wright.

703
00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:54,520
Speaker 1: I don't want to use a second round pick on

704
00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:57,160
Speaker 1: the running backs at this point in the conversation. I

705
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Speaker 1: love the idea of a Blake Rum in the fourth round,

706
00:30:59,840 --> 00:31:01,360
Speaker 1: just I'm a Blake Corn fan. I don't know if

707
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:03,920
Speaker 1: he's too undersized what you're looking for, but I like

708
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:06,160
Speaker 1: the He's like a many Saquon in terms of the

709
00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:08,600
Speaker 1: behind the line of scrimming's explosiveness and one cut and

710
00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:11,240
Speaker 1: go he's not gonna He's not gonna run a four

711
00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:12,840
Speaker 1: to two. I don't think. I don't think he do

712
00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:13,600
Speaker 1: you run fast?

713
00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:14,440
Speaker 2: Four or five?

714
00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:18,320
Speaker 1: Yeah? Three? Maybe that's fast enough. And we know he

715
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Speaker 1: can catch out of the backfield. So I like that

716
00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:23,719
Speaker 1: a Bucky irb like a Bucky Irving out of an Oregon.

717
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:27,120
Speaker 1: I like his game a lot. Again. Day three, Ray

718
00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:29,479
Speaker 1: Davis has an injury. History's a little older at Kentucky,

719
00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:31,080
Speaker 1: but again, great season.

720
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Speaker 2: I say what I think you watched Davis's tape. I

721
00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:36,400
Speaker 2: don't see much different between Davis on tape and Brooks

722
00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:38,440
Speaker 2: and Benson. To be honest with you, I think they're

723
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Speaker 2: very similar players in my opinion.

724
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Speaker 1: The thing is, and I've said this for forever, my

725
00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:47,440
Speaker 1: blind spot is slotting these running backs like I. I struggle,

726
00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:49,560
Speaker 1: and I talked to scouts about how to get better

727
00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:52,680
Speaker 1: at it, like Zach Sharponnay, I didn't know it's a guy.

728
00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:53,920
Speaker 1: He looks like a Day three pick to me. And

729
00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:55,239
Speaker 1: I was talking to a scout and said, he's going

730
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Speaker 1: in the second round, and he's a he had a

731
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Speaker 1: great season, like as sort of a backup, complimented Kenneth

732
00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:02,640
Speaker 1: Walker or the third but I agree with you. It

733
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Speaker 1: feels like you're looking at this guys and you're just

734
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Speaker 1: talking about gradations when it comes to running backs. Whereas

735
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Speaker 1: you can see a wide receiver, you can see a

736
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Speaker 1: quarterback and you see those differences there. So I think Grendo,

737
00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:15,200
Speaker 1: who ran the four whatever two at the guy, I

738
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Speaker 1: don't get it. He wasn't even the number one running

739
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:21,160
Speaker 1: back at Louisville had to leave Wisconsin, I believe behind

740
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Speaker 1: Brayln Allen, so.

741
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Speaker 2: I would have no idea he was two hundred twenty pounds.

742
00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:26,360
Speaker 2: Watching him run on tape, he just doesn't run with

743
00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:27,240
Speaker 2: that type of four spot.

744
00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:30,040
Speaker 1: So it's a fun it's a fun little combine storyline,

745
00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:31,920
Speaker 1: but at the end of the day, I'm not drafting

746
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:35,920
Speaker 1: him high. And uh, the other name I mentioned is

747
00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:38,400
Speaker 1: a guestimate. He ran the four to seven and change,

748
00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:41,000
Speaker 1: came back, ran four or five eight at this protab.

749
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Speaker 1: I believe the nerd.

750
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Speaker 2: I liked his tape. His tape is good too. He's

751
00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:46,400
Speaker 2: shifty for a guy that's two twenty five man.

752
00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:49,760
Speaker 1: And you know who reminded me of Karen Williams who

753
00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:53,240
Speaker 1: ran a four to seven something and changed at the combine.

754
00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:55,240
Speaker 1: He had a pretty good season last year for the Rams,

755
00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:57,160
Speaker 1: So just keep that in mind if you're going to

756
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Speaker 1: crush the kid for running a four to seven, which

757
00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:01,680
Speaker 1: they look it ain't great. All right, defensive tackle or

758
00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:03,600
Speaker 1: do you want to go offensive line? Whichever where you

759
00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:06,080
Speaker 1: want to go? All right, interior offensive lines that we

760
00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:08,960
Speaker 1: just started on. Yeah, guard guard specific Okay. Number one

761
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:12,480
Speaker 1: is Christian Haynes out of Yukon. Like if I don't

762
00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:15,000
Speaker 1: know if you remember, but Jordan Jefferson, the LSU DEFs tackle,

763
00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:17,560
Speaker 1: took off Christian Haynes's helmet and tucked it. They did.

764
00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:20,600
Speaker 1: I remember that at the at this at the Cedar Bowl,

765
00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:23,880
Speaker 1: and right there we talked to Brayton Fist at the

766
00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:25,840
Speaker 1: Florida say defense tackle, who's on the field for that?

767
00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:28,400
Speaker 1: At the combine about it. He said, I'll tell you this,

768
00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:31,320
Speaker 1: Christian Haynes is one of the toughest U sick wow. Uh.

769
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Speaker 1: And my co worker at J. Dousable was standing on

770
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Speaker 1: the sidelines and he heard Christian say to Jordan at

771
00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:37,720
Speaker 1: the time, he said, if you're afraid good church, because

772
00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:40,720
Speaker 1: Christian was not back like Christian is a dog. Uh,

773
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:43,480
Speaker 1: He's he's gonna get drafted second round I feel like, no.

774
00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:45,160
Speaker 2: No, that was given my question if the Giants won,

775
00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:47,160
Speaker 2: and that that's gonna have to be there. Pick effects right,

776
00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:48,520
Speaker 2: forty seven right, that's what I thought.

777
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:51,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, he he he plays with a with a chip

778
00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:53,440
Speaker 1: on his shoulder. Another guy that plays with the chip

779
00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:57,440
Speaker 1: on her shoulder, and this will uh uptail nicely into

780
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Speaker 1: the defectile conversation makes some Kormaic got South Kata State,

781
00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:01,480
Speaker 1: loved him in Frisco.

782
00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:03,440
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh. I love that kid. I can watch

783
00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:06,640
Speaker 2: him play on tape all day. He finishes people, he's

784
00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:08,880
Speaker 2: toss he's blue collar. Love everything about him.

785
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:10,760
Speaker 1: He's an animal and the best sense of the word.

786
00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:12,880
Speaker 1: And I mentioned the deef tackle there because one of

787
00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:15,480
Speaker 1: the tackles I liked who didn't get a Combine invite

788
00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:17,920
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl neither is Christian boyd out of Northern Iowa.

789
00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:20,600
Speaker 1: And you watch Christian Boy's tape out of Northern Iowa,

790
00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:24,600
Speaker 1: and he does look like the kid he's playing eighth

791
00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:26,919
Speaker 1: grade football, but he's one hundred pounds everything everyone else

792
00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:29,400
Speaker 1: until it comes against Mason mcormick. The Northern i was

793
00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:31,440
Speaker 1: South Dakota State game. If you want to watch a

794
00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:33,759
Speaker 1: game that wasn't on national television and enjoy it. Go

795
00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:35,920
Speaker 1: watch those two go at it. Because Mason McCormick got

796
00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:39,400
Speaker 1: the best of Christian Boyd throughout most of that game,

797
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:41,719
Speaker 1: and that's what sold me on both of them, and

798
00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:45,440
Speaker 1: I think both have upside. Christian Boyd is probably he

799
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:48,280
Speaker 1: might go late third round, maybe he sleep slips into

800
00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:52,960
Speaker 1: today three. But Bradon Fisk would be my first guy

801
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:55,960
Speaker 1: after the Big two Byron Murphy and Johnny Newton. If

802
00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:58,319
Speaker 1: you told me that he was there in the second

803
00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:00,840
Speaker 1: round for the Giants and they took him in the forties,

804
00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:04,879
Speaker 1: that guy is an animal. He has short arms. He said, Look,

805
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:06,120
Speaker 1: I know I have short arms, but I had to

806
00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:09,000
Speaker 1: figure out ways to win. And he is routine league

807
00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:12,000
Speaker 1: shooting gaps and using his strength to win there.

808
00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:14,960
Speaker 2: I talked to him for about eight minutes in Ofield

809
00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:17,600
Speaker 2: at the senior ball. What a great kid too, like

810
00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:20,480
Speaker 2: he just loves football. Oh man, it's just fantastic to

811
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:20,799
Speaker 2: talk to.

812
00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:23,080
Speaker 1: You get the sense that he is all about football

813
00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:25,319
Speaker 1: and to your point, he feels very genuine. Twainy Carter

814
00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:27,600
Speaker 1: at Duke I like his game a lot as a

815
00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:29,799
Speaker 1: Day two guy. And Michael Hall Junior at Ohio state.

816
00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:33,279
Speaker 1: I'll mention him undersize, but again so incredibly twitched up.

817
00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:36,000
Speaker 1: He's shooting gaps all day long and creating issues there. Now,

818
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:38,120
Speaker 1: if he gets too high, you can walk him off

819
00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:40,880
Speaker 1: the field. But when he is low and put a

820
00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:42,479
Speaker 1: little weight on him, I think he has a chance

821
00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:46,040
Speaker 1: to be really good as a disruptive interior defensive tackle.

822
00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:47,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, Ryan, you can file this into your head too.

823
00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:51,359
Speaker 2: I was talking to Bill Webinowitz, who covers Ohio State

824
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:53,440
Speaker 2: for the Columbus Dispatch. Right, He's been covering him for

825
00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:56,080
Speaker 2: a decade, and I asked him why Hall just wasn't

826
00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:58,160
Speaker 2: as consistent this year, right, because you figure he should

827
00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:01,239
Speaker 2: be more productive based on his He said he think

828
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:04,160
Speaker 2: he was dealing with two shoulder injuries during the year

829
00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:06,040
Speaker 2: that limited some of his productions. So I thought that

830
00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:08,560
Speaker 2: was interesting maybe why he wasn't as productive as some

831
00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:09,680
Speaker 2: of his trades might dictate.

832
00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:11,719
Speaker 1: And that's even scarier that now that he weighs two

833
00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:13,719
Speaker 1: eighty five or whatevery ways that he actually can be

834
00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:16,160
Speaker 1: better and stronger. The point because those are the things

835
00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:18,479
Speaker 1: we don't know, and that's and that's where things start

836
00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:21,600
Speaker 1: to when we see players drop could be offield stuff

837
00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:23,200
Speaker 1: some of the things that you mentioned about players you

838
00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:26,120
Speaker 1: know about that I didn't, or injury related while some

839
00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:28,880
Speaker 1: player gets higher than other players, And those are the

840
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:30,400
Speaker 1: things in the media that you're never ever going to

841
00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:32,160
Speaker 1: know about because it doesn't make any sense for teams

842
00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:35,319
Speaker 1: who release that information. But I appreciate you sharing that

843
00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:35,560
Speaker 1: with me.

844
00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:37,839
Speaker 2: No, no worries. And again, Burton is something I've heard

845
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:39,880
Speaker 2: from media people. I have not looked into that myself,

846
00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:42,000
Speaker 2: so I would definitely check on that, but that that

847
00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:44,279
Speaker 2: is something I've kind of heard people talking about a

848
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:44,680
Speaker 2: little bit.

849
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Speaker 1: Ryan.

850
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Speaker 2: Tell the folks where they can find all your stuff

851
00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:49,319
Speaker 2: and everything else you're doing for CBS.

852
00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:53,200
Speaker 1: Yes, so CBS Sports HQ. We're doing all sorts of

853
00:36:53,239 --> 00:36:55,640
Speaker 1: draft content there And if you prefer the podcast, me

854
00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:57,360
Speaker 1: and Rick S. Pilman, the former of Viking shil managers

855
00:36:57,400 --> 00:37:00,000
Speaker 1: do with the First Pick three times a week now

856
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:02,879
Speaker 1: because you know, draft seasons upon us John, So any

857
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:05,080
Speaker 1: anywhere you get your podcast you can find us there,

858
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:07,480
Speaker 1: including the we did the LSU and you and Cee

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Speaker 1: recaps from on scene last week. You want to check

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Speaker 1: those out.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we had Rick on during the season.

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Speaker 1: He was fantastic.

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Speaker 2: We were trying to We've been talking to him trying

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Speaker 2: to get him onto before the draft.

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Speaker 1: He's awesome.

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Speaker 2: You guys do a great job. Ryan, thanks so much

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Speaker 2: of the time. Enjoy the next three weeks, which is

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Speaker 2: basically a sprint, and then you can take a little

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Speaker 2: bit of a deep breath and get a little bit

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Speaker 2: of time off before we start this all over again

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Speaker 2: in training camp at end of July.

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Speaker 1: Hey Man, thank you John.

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Speaker 2: Ryan Wilson, CVS Force, thanks for joining us. The Giants

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Speaker 2: the Giants. We'll see you next time.

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Speaker 1: Everybody,