WEBVTT - Ep. 49: Bear Grease [Render] - One Thousand Bandaids, Mr. Leon, and Turkeys 0:00:14.640 --> 0:00:17.080 My name is Clay and Nukeleman. This is a production 0:00:17.120 --> 0:00:20.680 of the bear Grease podcast called The bear Grease Render, 0:00:21.120 --> 0:00:25.160 where we render down, dive deeper, and look behind the 0:00:25.239 --> 0:00:30.040 scenes of the actual bear Grease podcast, presented by f 0:00:30.480 --> 0:00:35.320 HF Gear, American made purpose built hunting and fishing gear 0:00:35.600 --> 0:00:39.280 that's designed to be as rugged as the places we explore. 0:00:43.400 --> 0:00:47.000 I've had people contact me and they're like, did you 0:00:47.040 --> 0:00:52.240 guys quit singing? Singing? Yeah, so there's probably a group 0:00:52.240 --> 0:00:55.160 of people that are glad we haven't sang in several months. 0:00:55.640 --> 0:00:58.240 And then some just like think that, like our spirits 0:00:58.280 --> 0:01:00.720 just shut down. They're like, are are y'all quitting the 0:01:00.720 --> 0:01:04.760 Burger's podcast? You hadn't saying recently. It's like a rubric 0:01:04.840 --> 0:01:10.200 of whether the podcast is working. Yeah. I think it 0:01:10.319 --> 0:01:14.640 has some validity inside the idea because where there is 0:01:14.880 --> 0:01:20.840 energy and spirit and life happening, what happens. Music, music 0:01:21.120 --> 0:01:26.560 is written. People are inspired for millennia. So almost so. 0:01:26.680 --> 0:01:28.920 My my wife, Miss Nucome, is here on my left 0:01:29.240 --> 0:01:31.520 and almost if you'd gotten here just a little bit earlier, 0:01:31.560 --> 0:01:34.440 I would have said, we're gonna play. But this is 0:01:34.480 --> 0:01:39.440 what I'm going to guarantee next Burgary's render that we're here, 0:01:40.080 --> 0:01:42.520 We're gonna play. Okay. I had a song request. I 0:01:42.520 --> 0:01:44.280 can't remember what it was, but the guy sent me 0:01:44.319 --> 0:01:46.400 a video and it was a bunch of otters singing 0:01:46.440 --> 0:01:58.320 about barbeque that work. Oh man, it's fabulous. This is 0:01:58.360 --> 0:02:02.280 a this is a fantastic stick afternoon. And it has 0:02:02.280 --> 0:02:04.880 been a long time since we've had a barger surrender 0:02:04.920 --> 0:02:10.560 here at the Meat Eater South World headquarters here in Arkansas. 0:02:11.040 --> 0:02:13.480 Is it sanctioned? Is it sanctioned for you too? I mean, 0:02:13.520 --> 0:02:17.680 like you call it Meat Eater South? Is that I mean? 0:02:17.800 --> 0:02:26.079 Has there been I mean papers filed? Of course it's been. 0:02:27.080 --> 0:02:30.280 It's been. Yeah, there's been a declaration. So it's been 0:02:30.280 --> 0:02:32.440 a while since we've all been here. And we always 0:02:32.440 --> 0:02:35.320 have these with the with the kind of the standard 0:02:35.320 --> 0:02:37.959 crew in my office. I wish I could show everybody 0:02:37.960 --> 0:02:39.720 in my office. This is like, it's great. It's a 0:02:39.760 --> 0:02:42.960 great place to hang out. I love I love this office. 0:02:42.960 --> 0:02:45.400 It's a visual Smorgess board I like to peel for 0:02:45.800 --> 0:02:50.079 It reminded me of Will Primo's office. Yeah, hey, I'll 0:02:50.080 --> 0:02:55.440 tell you what. Will Primos had an incredible office. It's 0:02:55.440 --> 0:02:58.400 hard to describe he's got I believe it's walnut wood 0:02:58.720 --> 0:03:01.320 lined walls. Really it's kind of dark and it's just 0:03:01.400 --> 0:03:06.240 kind of like yeah, kind Oh. He had a he 0:03:06.320 --> 0:03:10.040 had a huge original painting of a spring Turkey scene 0:03:10.400 --> 0:03:13.399 with lights on it, just like super classy. And then 0:03:13.400 --> 0:03:16.880 he had a bunch of freedom mounts, you know European 0:03:17.000 --> 0:03:20.480 mounts of white tails that you know, he killed most 0:03:20.520 --> 0:03:24.000 of them in Mississippi. And he had his collection of 0:03:24.080 --> 0:03:29.160 like handcarved decoy's. It was like a museum you could 0:03:29.160 --> 0:03:33.200 just walk around. He had a wall that was full 0:03:33.720 --> 0:03:39.720 of the original prints from the negatives of the photographer 0:03:40.120 --> 0:03:44.920 who shot still photos. Stay with me on the Jeremiah 0:03:45.040 --> 0:03:52.400 Johnson films, Will Premos Will Primos is like Lake Pickle 0:03:52.480 --> 0:03:54.800 told me, and he told it for truth. He said, 0:03:54.800 --> 0:03:58.360 Clay will Primos has watched Jeremiah Johnson over five thousand times. 0:03:59.280 --> 0:04:01.640 And I said, and I laughed, and I said, oh man, 0:04:01.720 --> 0:04:04.680 that's cool. And I said, how many times do you 0:04:04.800 --> 0:04:07.240 really think he's watched it? And he said no, I'm 0:04:07.280 --> 0:04:10.600 I'm being serious, Like he's calculated. He believes he's watched 0:04:10.600 --> 0:04:14.880 it five thousand. What do they say about ten thousand? 0:04:15.400 --> 0:04:17.560 An expert and if the movies two hours long? He is, 0:04:19.200 --> 0:04:22.960 I mean he has a PhD. Basically, I don't. I 0:04:23.000 --> 0:04:26.760 don't know where. I never quizzed him on it, but 0:04:27.720 --> 0:04:31.040 Mr Will told me that on his farm there were 0:04:31.040 --> 0:04:33.800 different roads on the farm and they named him after 0:04:33.839 --> 0:04:38.720 the characters and Jeremiah Johnson and he had Oh he 0:04:39.160 --> 0:04:41.160 was saying stuff. I didn't even know what he's talking 0:04:41.200 --> 0:04:47.360 about about the movie, like like h memorabilia that he had. So, yeah, 0:04:47.400 --> 0:04:52.240 I really need guys, he probably does. Yeah. So we're 0:04:52.240 --> 0:04:54.680 back in my office, which I think my office would 0:04:54.720 --> 0:04:57.559 be maybe noteworthy for the for all the bear hides 0:04:57.600 --> 0:05:00.880 and the bear chaps. I do have a let me 0:05:00.880 --> 0:05:03.680 give you just a just a quick like audio tour. 0:05:04.320 --> 0:05:08.480 Right behind my dad Gary here, I've got Oscar Nukeam's shotgun, 0:05:08.920 --> 0:05:13.360 James Lawrences Hawkins rifle, and a cane that Adam Dean 0:05:13.440 --> 0:05:16.360 gave me from Europe that he made me. I've got 0:05:16.720 --> 0:05:19.000 a picture of a Bob white quail that hung in 0:05:19.200 --> 0:05:22.920 my home where I was raised. Gary's home for years. 0:05:23.520 --> 0:05:26.039 That was a picture of Bob Whacke quail. That picture 0:05:26.040 --> 0:05:28.440 of that dog is a dog that dad owned, a 0:05:28.480 --> 0:05:31.240 bird dog named snipper. I painted that when I was 0:05:31.240 --> 0:05:33.240 in high school. Gave it to my grandfather that hung 0:05:33.240 --> 0:05:36.640 in his office till he died. You swing slightly to 0:05:36.680 --> 0:05:39.120 the right, and I have all my stone points, most 0:05:39.120 --> 0:05:42.360 of those I found on my property on the window 0:05:42.400 --> 0:05:45.640 sill um. This is where I got my computers. Here 0:05:45.880 --> 0:05:48.160 I'm just kind of swinging around, and then I had 0:05:48.160 --> 0:05:50.640 my white tail wall. I've got, you know, I kind 0:05:50.640 --> 0:05:53.680 of quit a mountain deer, but I've got maybe six 0:05:53.680 --> 0:05:57.880 white tails mounted and then probably fIF you know, twelve racks. 0:05:58.160 --> 0:06:01.040 But this is the this is the coolest part to me. 0:06:01.640 --> 0:06:05.480 This is the the legacy section. And there are three 0:06:05.480 --> 0:06:09.680 photos up here. They're sixteen by twenty high quality photos 0:06:09.680 --> 0:06:13.880 with lights on them, and the far left image is 0:06:14.320 --> 0:06:20.000 James Lawrence in the late nineteen seventies. It's that yes, 0:06:20.480 --> 0:06:23.040 it's a it's a it's a hawk and muzzloader as 0:06:23.080 --> 0:06:28.040 I understand it. And James Lawrence is somebody that I've 0:06:28.080 --> 0:06:30.720 just always really looked up to, and I consider him 0:06:30.720 --> 0:06:33.760 a mentor and somebody that's kind of like family to me. 0:06:33.920 --> 0:06:35.640 So there's a big picture of James and then that 0:06:35.800 --> 0:06:39.159 rack right there beside it is a deer that James 0:06:39.240 --> 0:06:43.320 killed on public land in the nineteen sixties. And man, 0:06:43.920 --> 0:06:46.000 it's not a huge rack. I mean, it's a beautiful 0:06:46.080 --> 0:06:48.479 rack with big old brow times. But when I go 0:06:48.600 --> 0:06:51.080 to James's house I was there two days ago and 0:06:51.160 --> 0:06:53.760 I see his wall full of white tail antlers, I 0:06:53.800 --> 0:06:57.239 am mesmerized when I think about the hours in time 0:06:57.279 --> 0:06:59.040 that he's spent hunting to kill those deer back in 0:06:59.160 --> 0:07:02.320 that time where he did in National Forest in Arkansas. 0:07:02.320 --> 0:07:05.320 So there's James. The middle picture is my father in law, 0:07:05.760 --> 0:07:09.160 Steve Schultz, who has been one of the most influential 0:07:09.240 --> 0:07:12.240 ever in my life. He really is Steve is Are 0:07:12.280 --> 0:07:15.760 also are Are the pastor of our church. Steve was 0:07:15.800 --> 0:07:19.200 a falconer and that picture was taken when Steve was 0:07:19.720 --> 0:07:22.160 I think in nine in nineteen eighty, so basically the 0:07:22.200 --> 0:07:26.840 same time period as James. He's holding. It's a red 0:07:26.880 --> 0:07:30.280 tail with a Mallard hen duck. And this is a 0:07:30.360 --> 0:07:32.920 super cool photo and it's real neat for me to 0:07:32.960 --> 0:07:36.200 see these guys when they were like my age, you know. 0:07:36.640 --> 0:07:39.760 So there's Steve Schultz and then the picture to the right. 0:07:40.800 --> 0:07:44.280 Many people have said that this man looks like Elvis Presley, 0:07:45.600 --> 0:07:51.200 have you heard that picture. It's the coolest picture of 0:07:51.280 --> 0:07:55.000 Gary nucom And it was the first dear that Dad 0:07:55.120 --> 0:07:57.800 ever killed. And he's got this buck in the back 0:07:57.840 --> 0:08:00.800 of the truck. He's got his old bow, what tad, 0:08:03.520 --> 0:08:06.600 And he's mustachio he's got a nice mustache. And then 0:08:06.720 --> 0:08:10.080 that deer is right there that I've got a mounted 0:08:10.160 --> 0:08:13.720 deer right beside that photo. And that deer is the 0:08:13.840 --> 0:08:16.760 deer that Dad killed. What did Brett and I have 0:08:16.800 --> 0:08:23.280 to do to get our pictures up there? Could be? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, 0:08:25.480 --> 0:08:28.559 Now what do you remember about that dear Dad? Well, 0:08:29.040 --> 0:08:34.040 you know, I wouldn't tell people about it, but I'm 0:08:34.080 --> 0:08:36.800 telling you, for months, i'd be in a room with 0:08:36.840 --> 0:08:39.160 a group of guys I just say, I wish somebody 0:08:39.200 --> 0:08:41.800 would just ask me if I killed a deer this year, 0:08:42.200 --> 0:08:46.800 And no one ever would, But I tell you it 0:08:46.920 --> 0:08:50.120 meant so much to me because you know, it was 0:08:50.160 --> 0:08:56.320 a bow kill, and back then that was kind of different. Yeah, 0:08:56.360 --> 0:09:00.760 that was way different in South Arkansas office sure, yeah, yeah, 0:09:00.760 --> 0:09:03.319 there weren't a lot of people killing deer with a 0:09:03.400 --> 0:09:07.240 bow very consistently. Yeah, you know, and I was pretty 0:09:07.280 --> 0:09:10.200 lucky on that dear. He was trailing a dough and 0:09:10.280 --> 0:09:12.079 I was on the ground. Are you killed it from 0:09:12.080 --> 0:09:13.840 the ground? I killed it on the ground, not in 0:09:13.880 --> 0:09:18.679 a stand quite the deer. Yeah, so that's a twur 0:09:18.720 --> 0:09:21.000 of the office. And then I've got bear hides hanging 0:09:21.040 --> 0:09:25.040 from hooks. Yeah, some bear big bear skulls. Yeah. And 0:09:25.040 --> 0:09:27.160 then I have one big mounted bear in the office, 0:09:27.400 --> 0:09:29.760 which is it's not the biggest bear I've ever killed, 0:09:29.800 --> 0:09:32.480 but probably the most valuable bear to me personally, I've 0:09:32.480 --> 0:09:36.280 ever killed. Killed one, uh, National Forest, public Land the 0:09:36.440 --> 0:09:39.199 last day of the season, shot the bear in the head, 0:09:39.600 --> 0:09:43.200 snook up on it while I was asleep. Not a joke. Um, 0:09:43.440 --> 0:09:47.800 pretty incredible deal. But anyway, a couple of things we're 0:09:47.800 --> 0:09:50.959 gonna talk about. We're gonna talk about this Turkey podcast, 0:09:51.640 --> 0:09:54.439 but I also want to give you guys an opportunity 0:09:55.040 --> 0:09:59.240 to talk about the Clower podcasts because brit was the 0:09:59.280 --> 0:10:08.120 special game. Yeah. Yeah, so we're gonna talk about We're 0:10:08.120 --> 0:10:10.280 gonna talk about Clara. We're gonna talk about turkey hunting. 0:10:10.679 --> 0:10:13.959 We've covered a lot of ground. What y'all think the 0:10:14.040 --> 0:10:18.720 last render crew they did? Okay, B team, Yeah, I 0:10:18.760 --> 0:10:22.520 get my B plus because they recognized all over us 0:10:22.520 --> 0:10:26.439 on here. They got funny accents from Michigan. Your people 0:10:26.440 --> 0:10:29.439 are from my people are. I've spent way more time 0:10:29.440 --> 0:10:31.480 in this, Hey, I was. I was pretty happy that 0:10:31.720 --> 0:10:33.800 Steve Vernella knew who Clouder was, and he didn't just 0:10:33.880 --> 0:10:38.280 know who Clouder was, he was he was passionate about Clower, 0:10:38.880 --> 0:10:40.959 which I was impressed with. I was. I actually thought 0:10:41.000 --> 0:10:42.520 they I thought they did a good job. I thought 0:10:42.520 --> 0:10:44.760 that it was a very entertaining podcast. They did a 0:10:44.760 --> 0:10:47.559 great job. I was a little hurt when Britt got 0:10:47.559 --> 0:10:53.720 the call out and Josh and I got the shaft. Yeah, yeah, exactly. 0:10:53.800 --> 0:11:01.600 That is the price you pay for fame, gross celebrity. 0:11:01.840 --> 0:11:04.440 When you're in this circle, you gotta be CONTs. Hey, 0:11:04.440 --> 0:11:08.280 you talk about micro celebrity. Did you guys know that 0:11:08.440 --> 0:11:12.400 Misty Newcomb works for Wild and Whole, which is a 0:11:12.480 --> 0:11:16.680 brand inside of Meat Eater. We've never we've never true story, 0:11:16.960 --> 0:11:20.160 We've never officially said this on the podcast, but so 0:11:20.280 --> 0:11:23.720 wild and Hole is like a sector inside of meat 0:11:23.720 --> 0:11:26.520 Eater that how would you describe Wild and Whole? Wild 0:11:26.600 --> 0:11:30.080 and Hole focuses on in this sense that media focuses 0:11:30.120 --> 0:11:33.720 on hunting, is primarily focused on hunting. Wild and hole 0:11:33.880 --> 0:11:38.400 is more focused on preparation of food and sourcing of food, 0:11:38.400 --> 0:11:43.880 and so they look at farming, homesteading, foraging, gardening, gardening. Yeah, 0:11:43.920 --> 0:11:46.240 and so Misty she works for them, and she does 0:11:46.280 --> 0:11:49.360 a lot of stuff about her garden, about cooking, just 0:11:49.360 --> 0:11:52.360 about feeding our family. Yeah. So you can follow Missy 0:11:52.360 --> 0:11:56.400 at Newcombe Farm. At Newcomb Farm. That also reminds me 0:11:56.400 --> 0:12:00.280 of one of my favorite George Bush junior isms when 0:12:00.280 --> 0:12:02.719 he was talking about he was giving this speech and 0:12:02.760 --> 0:12:04.760 he said, we got people out there working hard to 0:12:04.800 --> 0:12:15.760 put food on their family, putting food on Uh. Yeah, 0:12:15.920 --> 0:12:18.760 so that's great. While speaking of food, while we were 0:12:18.800 --> 0:12:21.600 out just before this, Brent was telling me a story 0:12:21.880 --> 0:12:26.960 about his turkey hunting mentor Mr. Leon. And now, so 0:12:27.000 --> 0:12:28.960 Brent's gonna tell a story, and let me just say, 0:12:29.080 --> 0:12:32.000 you're just gonna have to hold your horses until you 0:12:32.120 --> 0:12:35.040 come to too many judgments about in the direction this 0:12:35.080 --> 0:12:39.160 story is going. Okay, Grant tell them about Mr Leon. Well, 0:12:39.240 --> 0:12:41.360 let me let me let me tell him first. While 0:12:41.360 --> 0:12:44.360 we were talking about that, I was telling Brent about 0:12:44.600 --> 0:12:48.679 two kumps. Okay, this is potentially some foreshadowing, but I'm 0:12:48.679 --> 0:12:51.600 doing a little research on a Native American leader named 0:12:51.600 --> 0:12:57.240 to kumps who was arguably one of the most prominent 0:12:57.559 --> 0:13:02.520 skilled indigenous leaders of at least modern history that we 0:13:02.679 --> 0:13:08.040 can record of Native American stuff. Twokumpsa was kind of 0:13:08.040 --> 0:13:11.560 a peculiar guy and he broke He broke his leg 0:13:11.679 --> 0:13:14.240 when he was like sixteen years old riding a horse 0:13:14.280 --> 0:13:16.720 shooting a buffalo, and he walked with a limp. And 0:13:16.760 --> 0:13:20.840 he was always real weird with taking on a wife. 0:13:21.240 --> 0:13:25.000 And he he had three wives, different ones, but he 0:13:25.000 --> 0:13:27.520 he never stayed with him and he was always just 0:13:27.600 --> 0:13:30.520 to kind of like take a wife and be like ah. 0:13:30.559 --> 0:13:35.360 And his second wife Mamita. One time he had killed 0:13:35.400 --> 0:13:37.679 a wild turkey. And this is why this is relevant 0:13:37.679 --> 0:13:39.760 to this podcast. This is April where there was a 0:13:39.760 --> 0:13:42.760 goblin turkey, I don't know. He killed a wild turkey 0:13:42.800 --> 0:13:45.520 and he took it back to Mamita to take care 0:13:45.559 --> 0:13:48.360 of and she plucked the turkey, which is interesting that 0:13:48.400 --> 0:13:50.679 she plucked it, she didn't breast it, and she served 0:13:50.720 --> 0:13:53.400 it to Twokumpsa and the family. This isn't a joke, 0:13:53.480 --> 0:13:55.640 this is a real story. When when it was served 0:13:55.760 --> 0:13:59.680 there was still some pin feathers on the plucked bird, 0:14:00.040 --> 0:14:02.520 and it embarrassed and made two comes to so mad 0:14:02.559 --> 0:14:04.800 that when dinner was over, he got up and he said, 0:14:04.880 --> 0:14:08.120 you're gonna have to leave. He said, we're done. Actually, 0:14:08.160 --> 0:14:11.320 he said, you've brought shame on me, and I cannot 0:14:11.360 --> 0:14:14.559 tolerate this, and he essentially divorced her. What was wrong? 0:14:14.640 --> 0:14:22.400 What was wrong with that? His actions better? Oh? Yeah, 0:14:22.440 --> 0:14:24.640 I could actually read it. Go ahead, and Clay is 0:14:24.680 --> 0:14:27.400 reading this book somewhere and he clips that part out, 0:14:27.520 --> 0:14:29.120 takes a picture of it, and sends it to me. 0:14:29.200 --> 0:14:30.680 And I read this whole story and I get to 0:14:30.680 --> 0:14:32.240 the bottom and see that he send her away for, 0:14:32.480 --> 0:14:35.280 you know, not proficiently plucking a turkey. And I wrote 0:14:35.320 --> 0:14:39.400 back and I said, hey, Clay, is this a threat? 0:14:39.680 --> 0:14:42.120 Here's the exact section that says to comes to discovered 0:14:42.120 --> 0:14:44.560 a few small feathers still stuck to it. After his 0:14:44.600 --> 0:14:47.240 friends left, he handed his wife her clothing and told 0:14:47.280 --> 0:14:50.400 her to leave. The astonished woman asked to come to 0:14:50.560 --> 0:14:53.360 why he was banishing her because of the turkey feathers. 0:14:53.400 --> 0:14:57.360 He replied her entreaties to stay met with a cold rebuke. No, 0:14:57.760 --> 0:15:01.480 you must go. I'm ashamed of you. We may separate forever. 0:15:01.680 --> 0:15:06.840 And he drove her out so after I told Brent 0:15:07.040 --> 0:15:10.720 that story. Brent tells me this story. But before you go, 0:15:11.120 --> 0:15:13.280 if you like, stop the podcast and you go these 0:15:13.440 --> 0:15:17.520 misogynistic you know, people don't think that, But just listen 0:15:17.560 --> 0:15:21.200 to Brent's story. This was a nineteen This happened in 0:15:21.680 --> 0:15:25.680 nineteen forty six. It could it was either forty five, 0:15:26.080 --> 0:15:28.440 late forty five or forty six when Mr Leon got 0:15:28.440 --> 0:15:31.280 home from the war. This was a guy Brent worked 0:15:31.480 --> 0:15:33.520 I worked with. He was He was a turkey hunter. 0:15:33.560 --> 0:15:36.200 And you know, we all said something about Colin Turkey's 0:15:36.240 --> 0:15:38.640 with a briar leaf for a green leaf. Mr Leon 0:15:38.720 --> 0:15:41.240 could do that. He used to used the green briar leaf. 0:15:41.240 --> 0:15:45.280 He sound just like a turkey. Anyway. He told me 0:15:45.360 --> 0:15:47.600 that one time. We'll right after he got married, so 0:15:47.720 --> 0:15:49.960 they spent they had a one night honeymoon. They went 0:15:50.000 --> 0:15:52.600 to the house that they lived in. This would have 0:15:52.600 --> 0:15:55.680 been in nineteen eighty eight or eight or nine when 0:15:55.800 --> 0:15:57.560 he told me the story. And they've been living there 0:15:57.600 --> 0:16:01.320 since they got married. And he's the first morning after 0:16:01.360 --> 0:16:03.280 their honey went when the first night they spent there, 0:16:03.280 --> 0:16:05.960 he got up and she was in the kitchen cooking breakfast. 0:16:06.040 --> 0:16:07.480 She said, what do you want for breakfast, and he 0:16:07.520 --> 0:16:10.000 was walking outside to bust some wood up. He said, 0:16:10.000 --> 0:16:12.040 I want two eggs over easy. I want some grits. 0:16:12.080 --> 0:16:14.120 I want some ham and the eggs. I don't want 0:16:14.160 --> 0:16:16.440 no pepper on him and in a cup of coffee, 0:16:16.480 --> 0:16:18.120 and out the door he went. He went out and 0:16:18.120 --> 0:16:21.280 he starts busting wood. She calls him, lean, your your 0:16:21.320 --> 0:16:23.640 breakfast is ready. He comes back in the house and 0:16:23.680 --> 0:16:26.240 sets down to the table forwards yourself a cup of coffee. 0:16:26.280 --> 0:16:28.040 And she sets the plate down in front of him, 0:16:28.040 --> 0:16:31.280 and it's got everything he wanted, except it had pepper 0:16:31.320 --> 0:16:33.320 on the eggs. And he said, he said, I thought 0:16:33.360 --> 0:16:36.640 to myself if I should say something about the about 0:16:36.640 --> 0:16:39.160 the pepper, But then he said, no, I'm just gonna 0:16:39.240 --> 0:16:41.080 I'm gonna start this off right. I'm not gonna let 0:16:41.120 --> 0:16:43.120 her get away with this. And I picked that plate up, 0:16:43.200 --> 0:16:46.320 I held at an arm's length and just slowly dumped 0:16:46.360 --> 0:16:49.440 it out in the floor. He says. She was standing 0:16:49.480 --> 0:16:52.720 behind him, and he handed her the plate, and he said, 0:16:53.200 --> 0:16:55.600 my intention was to tell her, I said, don't put 0:16:55.640 --> 0:16:57.680 any pepper on my eggs. He said, I think I 0:16:57.720 --> 0:17:01.360 got to like the first p in pepper when I 0:17:01.400 --> 0:17:03.920 assumed she turned up played up edgeways. It hit me 0:17:03.960 --> 0:17:07.840 on the top of the head with it, because the 0:17:08.200 --> 0:17:11.159 scar when I woke up, Matt's like the edge of 0:17:11.160 --> 0:17:14.000 the plate. He said, it in the morning had gone. 0:17:14.040 --> 0:17:16.000 It was up midday, and I had laid there and 0:17:16.080 --> 0:17:20.200 knocked out unconscious in the floor so that the yellow 0:17:20.280 --> 0:17:22.679 on them eggs that stuck to his face and dried, 0:17:23.240 --> 0:17:25.320 and he said it sounded like duct tape when he 0:17:25.400 --> 0:17:28.520 raised his face up off the floor. He said, I 0:17:28.560 --> 0:17:30.760 stumbled around in the house, and I looked and all 0:17:30.800 --> 0:17:33.240 her clothes were gone, said, we didn't have it one car, 0:17:33.280 --> 0:17:35.320 and it was there, so but we did have a phone, 0:17:35.400 --> 0:17:37.040 but her mom and daddy didn't have one, he said, 0:17:37.240 --> 0:17:38.959 and they lived in town. He said, I assume that's 0:17:39.000 --> 0:17:40.560 where she went, he said. So I got in the 0:17:40.640 --> 0:17:43.920 car when I could see, and I drove to town, 0:17:44.000 --> 0:17:46.639 and sure enough, that's where she was at. And her 0:17:46.720 --> 0:17:48.960 daddy told me, said she ain't coming right now, but 0:17:49.080 --> 0:17:51.480 she says she'll be home and when she gets ready, 0:17:52.440 --> 0:17:54.960 he said. A couple of days go by and she 0:17:55.080 --> 0:17:57.440 comes home and it's right for supper time to start 0:17:57.480 --> 0:17:59.960 cooking supper, and she come in, didn't say a word. 0:18:00.200 --> 0:18:03.080 They cooked supper, they went on like nothing had happened, 0:18:03.200 --> 0:18:05.560 went to bed gaps. The next morning, the same routine 0:18:05.600 --> 0:18:08.600 played out. He started to go outside to do his chores, 0:18:09.080 --> 0:18:10.720 and she asked him what he wanted for breakfast, and 0:18:10.760 --> 0:18:15.680 he told her the exact same thing. Grits, ham, eggs, 0:18:16.040 --> 0:18:19.400 no pepper. He said, I went outside, done my chores. 0:18:19.480 --> 0:18:21.720 She called me back in to eat breakfast. I sat down, 0:18:21.800 --> 0:18:23.920 poured a cup of coffee. So she set that plate 0:18:24.000 --> 0:18:25.760 down in front of me, and he said, it looked 0:18:25.760 --> 0:18:30.439 like a can pepper poured on top of them two eggs. 0:18:30.640 --> 0:18:32.800 So I and I had know Mr Leon was not 0:18:32.920 --> 0:18:35.479 an easy I loved him, absolutely loved him, but he 0:18:35.520 --> 0:18:37.359 was not an easy guy to get along with. So 0:18:37.440 --> 0:18:40.440 I know this this story where this is going. He's 0:18:40.440 --> 0:18:42.520 fixing the dump this in the in the in the 0:18:42.560 --> 0:18:44.840 floor again And I said, well, what you do? He said, 0:18:44.840 --> 0:18:50.600 I've been eating pepper on my eggs ever since. So 0:18:51.680 --> 0:18:53.760 the lesson there, I mean, there's lots of lessons in 0:18:54.280 --> 0:18:59.080 that story, but adapt and overcome. I think I like 0:18:59.280 --> 0:19:02.399 that held you that story in nineteen two. No, that 0:19:02.400 --> 0:19:06.280 would have been like nine and he was still married 0:19:06.280 --> 0:19:14.800 to the apparently they worked. Tell tell me about the 0:19:14.840 --> 0:19:19.280 way Leon about his entry and exit routes. He uh. 0:19:19.520 --> 0:19:22.440 We worked in the woods. We managed timber for George Pacific, 0:19:23.000 --> 0:19:27.560 and our office was in Florida Ice, Arkansas at the 0:19:27.600 --> 0:19:29.159 mill where the meal was at and we'd go in 0:19:29.200 --> 0:19:32.560 every morning we get our orders from the forester, which 0:19:32.680 --> 0:19:35.800 tracked UH to go either mark for cutting or whatever 0:19:35.840 --> 0:19:37.520 we were doing, we had to leave and go out 0:19:37.520 --> 0:19:40.040 in the woods to do it. And every time we 0:19:40.080 --> 0:19:42.440 would come back in, if we went out one direction, 0:19:42.480 --> 0:19:45.000 he would make us come back another way. We never 0:19:45.080 --> 0:19:47.600 took the same route back to the office, even if 0:19:47.640 --> 0:19:50.720 it was the quickest way. And this went on four 0:19:50.840 --> 0:19:53.080 I was just a young fellow now, and he was, 0:19:53.560 --> 0:19:55.639 like I said, of war two vets, so he was older, 0:19:55.640 --> 0:19:58.320 and he just he put the orders out there and 0:19:58.359 --> 0:20:00.840 I said, yesterday, and we did them. But this particular day, 0:20:00.880 --> 0:20:03.560 it was in August, and it was so hot, and 0:20:03.600 --> 0:20:05.840 we've been out in marking timber all day and we 0:20:05.880 --> 0:20:08.040 think there was no reconditioning in the truck. We got 0:20:08.040 --> 0:20:09.760 through with work and he said, all right, let's go home. 0:20:09.960 --> 0:20:12.119 We got in the truck and we started home and 0:20:12.160 --> 0:20:14.120 I said, I'm just gonna go straight down the highway 0:20:14.119 --> 0:20:17.320 like we come up here, be quicker, go back home. 0:20:17.400 --> 0:20:20.000 He said, no, when you get down here and take 0:20:20.040 --> 0:20:22.480 a ride on such and such road, we're gonna go 0:20:22.560 --> 0:20:24.719 the back way. I said, Mr. Lee, And I'm hot, 0:20:25.520 --> 0:20:29.320 I'm tired. I smell it's hot in this truck. I 0:20:29.359 --> 0:20:31.840 want to go home. He said, no, take that road 0:20:31.920 --> 0:20:34.639 up there. So I took the road. And I was 0:20:34.680 --> 0:20:36.800 taking the road, I asked him. I said, we have 0:20:36.920 --> 0:20:40.240 been doing this every day, not one time, and would 0:20:40.240 --> 0:20:42.000 come back the same way, even even when it would 0:20:42.040 --> 0:20:45.280 be quicker. Why are we coming back a different way 0:20:45.280 --> 0:20:48.240 than we went out? And he reached in his pocket 0:20:48.280 --> 0:20:51.120 and I'm driving, I'm watching him over there. He never 0:20:51.160 --> 0:20:52.760 even looked at me. You're reached in his pocket and 0:20:52.800 --> 0:20:55.600 he took out a cool menthor cigarette and he did it. 0:20:56.600 --> 0:20:59.240 He took a puff off of it, and he's staring 0:20:59.240 --> 0:21:02.640 out the window. He's that son. Have you ever been ambushed? 0:21:03.680 --> 0:21:07.080 And I thought ambushed? Uh no, sir, he said, well 0:21:07.240 --> 0:21:09.280 I have, and we ain't going back the same way 0:21:09.320 --> 0:21:12.920 we came out. So that was a habit he got 0:21:12.960 --> 0:21:16.920 into in the South Pacific fighting World War two, and 0:21:18.560 --> 0:21:23.560 it served him, Well, we never got ambushed. Never go 0:21:23.640 --> 0:21:27.160 back the same way you came. Science is good. That's 0:21:27.160 --> 0:21:31.800 pretty incredible. Well, hey, it's uh. We're recording this in 0:21:31.880 --> 0:21:36.159 early April. The Arkansas Youth Turkey Hunt and season is 0:21:36.240 --> 0:21:40.280 this coming weekend, and so the people I have here 0:21:40.320 --> 0:21:45.719 are missing Newcomb. To my left, Brent Reeves, Josh Lambridge, Spillmaker. 0:21:46.240 --> 0:21:48.679 Good to see you, Josh, Gary knwcom So we were 0:21:48.680 --> 0:21:51.000 twenty minutes then. I'm just not introducing you, but I 0:21:51.040 --> 0:21:56.240 wanted to so me and Josh we have been youth 0:21:56.240 --> 0:22:01.960 turkey hunting with our kids for long. I mean last 0:22:02.000 --> 0:22:04.200 year was the first year that I think you didn't 0:22:04.240 --> 0:22:07.000 go because you kind of had kids that kind of 0:22:07.119 --> 0:22:10.440 crested crested out of it. But me and Josh had 0:22:10.480 --> 0:22:13.159 some pretty incredible years of youth turkey hunting, and I 0:22:13.200 --> 0:22:16.880 wanted to tell one of my favorite stories we where 0:22:16.920 --> 0:22:20.520 we're hunting. It's pretty it's it's pretty cool because during 0:22:20.560 --> 0:22:24.560 the youth hunt, you can find birds because when birds 0:22:25.080 --> 0:22:28.000 are are not thick, which in Arkansas. You know, if 0:22:28.040 --> 0:22:29.760 you listen to the last podcast, you heard us say 0:22:29.800 --> 0:22:32.399 that six of our birds are gone. So back in 0:22:32.400 --> 0:22:34.160 the heyday, we had a lot of birds are easy 0:22:34.200 --> 0:22:37.440 to find, but what happens across the landscape when birds 0:22:37.960 --> 0:22:40.840 die out is that there'll be pockets of them that 0:22:40.960 --> 0:22:44.320 they're fairly thick. So that's why it's kind of confusing 0:22:44.359 --> 0:22:46.280 to some people, because you might be in a pocket 0:22:46.320 --> 0:22:48.840 a good turkey hunting and be like, what's the big deal. 0:22:48.880 --> 0:22:51.600 We still kill turkeys, and it's like, well, but every 0:22:51.600 --> 0:22:55.920 other place doesn't. Well, on public land, everybody knows where 0:22:55.960 --> 0:22:58.840