1 00:00:14,640 --> 00:00:17,080 Speaker 1: My name is Clay and Nukeleman. This is a production 2 00:00:17,120 --> 00:00:20,680 Speaker 1: of the bear Grease podcast called The bear Grease Render, 3 00:00:21,120 --> 00:00:25,160 Speaker 1: where we render down, dive deeper, and look behind the 4 00:00:25,239 --> 00:00:30,040 Speaker 1: scenes of the actual bear Grease podcast, presented by f 5 00:00:30,480 --> 00:00:35,320 Speaker 1: HF Gear, American made purpose built hunting and fishing gear 6 00:00:35,600 --> 00:00:39,280 Speaker 1: that's designed to be as rugged as the places we explore. 7 00:00:43,400 --> 00:00:47,000 Speaker 1: I've had people contact me and they're like, did you 8 00:00:47,040 --> 00:00:52,240 Speaker 1: guys quit singing? Singing? Yeah, so there's probably a group 9 00:00:52,240 --> 00:00:55,160 Speaker 1: of people that are glad we haven't sang in several months. 10 00:00:55,640 --> 00:00:58,240 Speaker 1: And then some just like think that, like our spirits 11 00:00:58,280 --> 00:01:00,720 Speaker 1: just shut down. They're like, are are y'all quitting the 12 00:01:00,720 --> 00:01:04,760 Speaker 1: Burger's podcast? You hadn't saying recently. It's like a rubric 13 00:01:04,840 --> 00:01:10,200 Speaker 1: of whether the podcast is working. Yeah. I think it 14 00:01:10,319 --> 00:01:14,640 Speaker 1: has some validity inside the idea because where there is 15 00:01:14,880 --> 00:01:20,840 Speaker 1: energy and spirit and life happening, what happens. Music, music 16 00:01:21,120 --> 00:01:26,560 Speaker 1: is written. People are inspired for millennia. So almost so. 17 00:01:26,680 --> 00:01:28,920 Speaker 1: My my wife, Miss Nucome, is here on my left 18 00:01:29,240 --> 00:01:31,520 Speaker 1: and almost if you'd gotten here just a little bit earlier, 19 00:01:31,560 --> 00:01:34,440 Speaker 1: I would have said, we're gonna play. But this is 20 00:01:34,480 --> 00:01:39,440 Speaker 1: what I'm going to guarantee next Burgary's render that we're here, 21 00:01:40,080 --> 00:01:42,520 Speaker 1: We're gonna play. Okay. I had a song request. I 22 00:01:42,520 --> 00:01:44,280 Speaker 1: can't remember what it was, but the guy sent me 23 00:01:44,319 --> 00:01:46,400 Speaker 1: a video and it was a bunch of otters singing 24 00:01:46,440 --> 00:01:58,320 Speaker 1: about barbeque that work. Oh man, it's fabulous. This is 25 00:01:58,360 --> 00:02:02,280 Speaker 1: a this is a fantastic stick afternoon. And it has 26 00:02:02,280 --> 00:02:04,880 Speaker 1: been a long time since we've had a barger surrender 27 00:02:04,920 --> 00:02:10,560 Speaker 1: here at the Meat Eater South World headquarters here in Arkansas. 28 00:02:11,040 --> 00:02:13,480 Speaker 1: Is it sanctioned? Is it sanctioned for you too? I mean, 29 00:02:13,520 --> 00:02:17,680 Speaker 1: like you call it Meat Eater South? Is that I mean? 30 00:02:17,800 --> 00:02:26,079 Speaker 1: Has there been I mean papers filed? Of course it's been. 31 00:02:27,080 --> 00:02:30,280 Speaker 1: It's been. Yeah, there's been a declaration. So it's been 32 00:02:30,280 --> 00:02:32,440 Speaker 1: a while since we've all been here. And we always 33 00:02:32,440 --> 00:02:35,320 Speaker 1: have these with the with the kind of the standard 34 00:02:35,320 --> 00:02:37,959 Speaker 1: crew in my office. I wish I could show everybody 35 00:02:37,960 --> 00:02:39,720 Speaker 1: in my office. This is like, it's great. It's a 36 00:02:39,760 --> 00:02:42,960 Speaker 1: great place to hang out. I love I love this office. 37 00:02:42,960 --> 00:02:45,400 Speaker 1: It's a visual Smorgess board I like to peel for 38 00:02:45,800 --> 00:02:50,079 Speaker 1: It reminded me of Will Primo's office. Yeah, hey, I'll 39 00:02:50,080 --> 00:02:55,440 Speaker 1: tell you what. Will Primos had an incredible office. It's 40 00:02:55,440 --> 00:02:58,400 Speaker 1: hard to describe he's got I believe it's walnut wood 41 00:02:58,720 --> 00:03:01,320 Speaker 1: lined walls. Really it's kind of dark and it's just 42 00:03:01,400 --> 00:03:06,240 Speaker 1: kind of like yeah, kind Oh. He had a he 43 00:03:06,320 --> 00:03:10,040 Speaker 1: had a huge original painting of a spring Turkey scene 44 00:03:10,400 --> 00:03:13,399 Speaker 1: with lights on it, just like super classy. And then 45 00:03:13,400 --> 00:03:16,880 Speaker 1: he had a bunch of freedom mounts, you know European 46 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:20,480 Speaker 1: mounts of white tails that you know, he killed most 47 00:03:20,520 --> 00:03:24,000 Speaker 1: of them in Mississippi. And he had his collection of 48 00:03:24,080 --> 00:03:29,160 Speaker 1: like handcarved decoy's. It was like a museum you could 49 00:03:29,160 --> 00:03:33,200 Speaker 1: just walk around. He had a wall that was full 50 00:03:33,720 --> 00:03:39,720 Speaker 1: of the original prints from the negatives of the photographer 51 00:03:40,120 --> 00:03:44,920 Speaker 1: who shot still photos. Stay with me on the Jeremiah 52 00:03:45,040 --> 00:03:52,400 Speaker 1: Johnson films, Will Premos Will Primos is like Lake Pickle 53 00:03:52,480 --> 00:03:54,800 Speaker 1: told me, and he told it for truth. He said, 54 00:03:54,800 --> 00:03:58,360 Speaker 1: Clay will Primos has watched Jeremiah Johnson over five thousand times. 55 00:03:59,280 --> 00:04:01,640 Speaker 1: And I said, and I laughed, and I said, oh man, 56 00:04:01,720 --> 00:04:04,680 Speaker 1: that's cool. And I said, how many times do you 57 00:04:04,800 --> 00:04:07,240 Speaker 1: really think he's watched it? And he said no, I'm 58 00:04:07,280 --> 00:04:10,600 Speaker 1: I'm being serious, Like he's calculated. He believes he's watched 59 00:04:10,600 --> 00:04:14,880 Speaker 1: it five thousand. What do they say about ten thousand? 60 00:04:15,400 --> 00:04:17,560 Speaker 1: An expert and if the movies two hours long? He is, 61 00:04:19,200 --> 00:04:22,960 Speaker 1: I mean he has a PhD. Basically, I don't. I 62 00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:26,760 Speaker 1: don't know where. I never quizzed him on it, but 63 00:04:27,720 --> 00:04:31,040 Speaker 1: Mr Will told me that on his farm there were 64 00:04:31,040 --> 00:04:33,800 Speaker 1: different roads on the farm and they named him after 65 00:04:33,839 --> 00:04:38,720 Speaker 1: the characters and Jeremiah Johnson and he had Oh he 66 00:04:39,160 --> 00:04:41,160 Speaker 1: was saying stuff. I didn't even know what he's talking 67 00:04:41,200 --> 00:04:47,360 Speaker 1: about about the movie, like like h memorabilia that he had. So, yeah, 68 00:04:47,400 --> 00:04:52,240 Speaker 1: I really need guys, he probably does. Yeah. So we're 69 00:04:52,240 --> 00:04:54,680 Speaker 1: back in my office, which I think my office would 70 00:04:54,720 --> 00:04:57,559 Speaker 1: be maybe noteworthy for the for all the bear hides 71 00:04:57,600 --> 00:05:00,880 Speaker 1: and the bear chaps. I do have a let me 72 00:05:00,880 --> 00:05:03,680 Speaker 1: give you just a just a quick like audio tour. 73 00:05:04,320 --> 00:05:08,480 Speaker 1: Right behind my dad Gary here, I've got Oscar Nukeam's shotgun, 74 00:05:08,920 --> 00:05:13,360 Speaker 1: James Lawrences Hawkins rifle, and a cane that Adam Dean 75 00:05:13,440 --> 00:05:16,360 Speaker 1: gave me from Europe that he made me. I've got 76 00:05:16,720 --> 00:05:19,000 Speaker 1: a picture of a Bob white quail that hung in 77 00:05:19,200 --> 00:05:22,920 Speaker 1: my home where I was raised. Gary's home for years. 78 00:05:23,520 --> 00:05:26,039 Speaker 1: That was a picture of Bob Whacke quail. That picture 79 00:05:26,040 --> 00:05:28,440 Speaker 1: of that dog is a dog that dad owned, a 80 00:05:28,480 --> 00:05:31,240 Speaker 1: bird dog named snipper. I painted that when I was 81 00:05:31,240 --> 00:05:33,240 Speaker 1: in high school. Gave it to my grandfather that hung 82 00:05:33,240 --> 00:05:36,640 Speaker 1: in his office till he died. You swing slightly to 83 00:05:36,680 --> 00:05:39,120 Speaker 1: the right, and I have all my stone points, most 84 00:05:39,120 --> 00:05:42,360 Speaker 1: of those I found on my property on the window 85 00:05:42,400 --> 00:05:45,640 Speaker 1: sill um. This is where I got my computers. Here 86 00:05:45,880 --> 00:05:48,160 Speaker 1: I'm just kind of swinging around, and then I had 87 00:05:48,160 --> 00:05:50,640 Speaker 1: my white tail wall. I've got, you know, I kind 88 00:05:50,640 --> 00:05:53,680 Speaker 1: of quit a mountain deer, but I've got maybe six 89 00:05:53,680 --> 00:05:57,880 Speaker 1: white tails mounted and then probably fIF you know, twelve racks. 90 00:05:58,160 --> 00:06:01,040 Speaker 1: But this is the this is the coolest part to me. 91 00:06:01,640 --> 00:06:05,480 Speaker 1: This is the the legacy section. And there are three 92 00:06:05,480 --> 00:06:09,680 Speaker 1: photos up here. They're sixteen by twenty high quality photos 93 00:06:09,680 --> 00:06:13,880 Speaker 1: with lights on them, and the far left image is 94 00:06:14,320 --> 00:06:20,000 Speaker 1: James Lawrence in the late nineteen seventies. It's that yes, 95 00:06:20,480 --> 00:06:23,040 Speaker 1: it's a it's a it's a hawk and muzzloader as 96 00:06:23,080 --> 00:06:28,040 Speaker 1: I understand it. And James Lawrence is somebody that I've 97 00:06:28,080 --> 00:06:30,720 Speaker 1: just always really looked up to, and I consider him 98 00:06:30,720 --> 00:06:33,760 Speaker 1: a mentor and somebody that's kind of like family to me. 99 00:06:33,920 --> 00:06:35,640 Speaker 1: So there's a big picture of James and then that 100 00:06:35,800 --> 00:06:39,159 Speaker 1: rack right there beside it is a deer that James 101 00:06:39,240 --> 00:06:43,320 Speaker 1: killed on public land in the nineteen sixties. And man, 102 00:06:43,920 --> 00:06:46,000 Speaker 1: it's not a huge rack. I mean, it's a beautiful 103 00:06:46,080 --> 00:06:48,479 Speaker 1: rack with big old brow times. But when I go 104 00:06:48,600 --> 00:06:51,080 Speaker 1: to James's house I was there two days ago and 105 00:06:51,160 --> 00:06:53,760 Speaker 1: I see his wall full of white tail antlers, I 106 00:06:53,800 --> 00:06:57,239 Speaker 1: am mesmerized when I think about the hours in time 107 00:06:57,279 --> 00:06:59,040 Speaker 1: that he's spent hunting to kill those deer back in 108 00:06:59,160 --> 00:07:02,320 Speaker 1: that time where he did in National Forest in Arkansas. 109 00:07:02,320 --> 00:07:05,320 Speaker 1: So there's James. The middle picture is my father in law, 110 00:07:05,760 --> 00:07:09,160 Speaker 1: Steve Schultz, who has been one of the most influential 111 00:07:09,240 --> 00:07:12,240 Speaker 1: ever in my life. He really is Steve is Are 112 00:07:12,280 --> 00:07:15,760 Speaker 1: also are Are the pastor of our church. Steve was 113 00:07:15,800 --> 00:07:19,200 Speaker 1: a falconer and that picture was taken when Steve was 114 00:07:19,720 --> 00:07:22,160 Speaker 1: I think in nine in nineteen eighty, so basically the 115 00:07:22,200 --> 00:07:26,840 Speaker 1: same time period as James. He's holding. It's a red 116 00:07:26,880 --> 00:07:30,280 Speaker 1: tail with a Mallard hen duck. And this is a 117 00:07:30,360 --> 00:07:32,920 Speaker 1: super cool photo and it's real neat for me to 118 00:07:32,960 --> 00:07:36,200 Speaker 1: see these guys when they were like my age, you know. 119 00:07:36,640 --> 00:07:39,760 Speaker 1: So there's Steve Schultz and then the picture to the right. 120 00:07:40,800 --> 00:07:44,280 Speaker 1: Many people have said that this man looks like Elvis Presley, 121 00:07:45,600 --> 00:07:51,200 Speaker 1: have you heard that picture. It's the coolest picture of 122 00:07:51,280 --> 00:07:55,000 Speaker 1: Gary nucom And it was the first dear that Dad 123 00:07:55,120 --> 00:07:57,800 Speaker 1: ever killed. And he's got this buck in the back 124 00:07:57,840 --> 00:08:00,800 Speaker 1: of the truck. He's got his old bow, what tad, 125 00:08:03,520 --> 00:08:06,600 Speaker 1: And he's mustachio he's got a nice mustache. And then 126 00:08:06,720 --> 00:08:10,080 Speaker 1: that deer is right there that I've got a mounted 127 00:08:10,160 --> 00:08:13,720 Speaker 1: deer right beside that photo. And that deer is the 128 00:08:13,840 --> 00:08:16,760 Speaker 1: deer that Dad killed. What did Brett and I have 129 00:08:16,800 --> 00:08:23,280 Speaker 1: to do to get our pictures up there? Could be? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, 130 00:08:25,480 --> 00:08:28,559 Speaker 1: Now what do you remember about that dear Dad? Well, 131 00:08:29,040 --> 00:08:34,040 Speaker 1: you know, I wouldn't tell people about it, but I'm 132 00:08:34,080 --> 00:08:36,800 Speaker 1: telling you, for months, i'd be in a room with 133 00:08:36,840 --> 00:08:39,160 Speaker 1: a group of guys I just say, I wish somebody 134 00:08:39,200 --> 00:08:41,800 Speaker 1: would just ask me if I killed a deer this year, 135 00:08:42,200 --> 00:08:46,800 Speaker 1: And no one ever would, But I tell you it 136 00:08:46,920 --> 00:08:50,120 Speaker 1: meant so much to me because you know, it was 137 00:08:50,160 --> 00:08:56,320 Speaker 1: a bow kill, and back then that was kind of different. Yeah, 138 00:08:56,360 --> 00:09:00,760 Speaker 1: that was way different in South Arkansas office sure, yeah, yeah, 139 00:09:00,760 --> 00:09:03,319 Speaker 1: there weren't a lot of people killing deer with a 140 00:09:03,400 --> 00:09:07,240 Speaker 1: bow very consistently. Yeah, you know, and I was pretty 141 00:09:07,280 --> 00:09:10,200 Speaker 1: lucky on that dear. He was trailing a dough and 142 00:09:10,280 --> 00:09:12,079 Speaker 1: I was on the ground. Are you killed it from 143 00:09:12,080 --> 00:09:13,840 Speaker 1: the ground? I killed it on the ground, not in 144 00:09:13,880 --> 00:09:18,679 Speaker 1: a stand quite the deer. Yeah, so that's a twur 145 00:09:18,720 --> 00:09:21,000 Speaker 1: of the office. And then I've got bear hides hanging 146 00:09:21,040 --> 00:09:25,040 Speaker 1: from hooks. Yeah, some bear big bear skulls. Yeah. And 147 00:09:25,040 --> 00:09:27,160 Speaker 1: then I have one big mounted bear in the office, 148 00:09:27,400 --> 00:09:29,760 Speaker 1: which is it's not the biggest bear I've ever killed, 149 00:09:29,800 --> 00:09:32,480 Speaker 1: but probably the most valuable bear to me personally, I've 150 00:09:32,480 --> 00:09:36,280 Speaker 1: ever killed. Killed one, uh, National Forest, public Land the 151 00:09:36,440 --> 00:09:39,199 Speaker 1: last day of the season, shot the bear in the head, 152 00:09:39,600 --> 00:09:43,200 Speaker 1: snook up on it while I was asleep. Not a joke. Um, 153 00:09:43,440 --> 00:09:47,800 Speaker 1: pretty incredible deal. But anyway, a couple of things we're 154 00:09:47,800 --> 00:09:50,959 Speaker 1: gonna talk about. We're gonna talk about this Turkey podcast, 155 00:09:51,640 --> 00:09:54,439 Speaker 1: but I also want to give you guys an opportunity 156 00:09:55,040 --> 00:09:59,240 Speaker 1: to talk about the Clower podcasts because brit was the 157 00:09:59,280 --> 00:10:08,120 Speaker 1: special game. Yeah. Yeah, so we're gonna talk about We're 158 00:10:08,120 --> 00:10:10,280 Speaker 1: gonna talk about Clara. We're gonna talk about turkey hunting. 159 00:10:10,679 --> 00:10:13,959 Speaker 1: We've covered a lot of ground. What y'all think the 160 00:10:14,040 --> 00:10:18,720 Speaker 1: last render crew they did? Okay, B team, Yeah, I 161 00:10:18,760 --> 00:10:22,520 Speaker 1: get my B plus because they recognized all over us 162 00:10:22,520 --> 00:10:26,439 Speaker 1: on here. They got funny accents from Michigan. Your people 163 00:10:26,440 --> 00:10:29,439 Speaker 1: are from my people are. I've spent way more time 164 00:10:29,440 --> 00:10:31,480 Speaker 1: in this, Hey, I was. I was pretty happy that 165 00:10:31,720 --> 00:10:33,800 Speaker 1: Steve Vernella knew who Clouder was, and he didn't just 166 00:10:33,880 --> 00:10:38,280 Speaker 1: know who Clouder was, he was he was passionate about Clower, 167 00:10:38,880 --> 00:10:40,959 Speaker 1: which I was impressed with. I was. I actually thought 168 00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:42,520 Speaker 1: they I thought they did a good job. I thought 169 00:10:42,520 --> 00:10:44,760 Speaker 1: that it was a very entertaining podcast. They did a 170 00:10:44,760 --> 00:10:47,559 Speaker 1: great job. I was a little hurt when Britt got 171 00:10:47,559 --> 00:10:53,720 Speaker 1: the call out and Josh and I got the shaft. Yeah, yeah, exactly. 172 00:10:53,800 --> 00:11:01,600 Speaker 1: That is the price you pay for fame, gross celebrity. 173 00:11:01,840 --> 00:11:04,440 Speaker 1: When you're in this circle, you gotta be CONTs. Hey, 174 00:11:04,440 --> 00:11:08,280 Speaker 1: you talk about micro celebrity. Did you guys know that 175 00:11:08,440 --> 00:11:12,400 Speaker 1: Misty Newcomb works for Wild and Whole, which is a 176 00:11:12,480 --> 00:11:16,680 Speaker 1: brand inside of Meat Eater. We've never we've never true story, 177 00:11:16,960 --> 00:11:20,160 Speaker 1: We've never officially said this on the podcast, but so 178 00:11:20,280 --> 00:11:23,720 Speaker 1: wild and Hole is like a sector inside of meat 179 00:11:23,720 --> 00:11:26,520 Speaker 1: Eater that how would you describe Wild and Whole? Wild 180 00:11:26,600 --> 00:11:30,080 Speaker 1: and Hole focuses on in this sense that media focuses 181 00:11:30,120 --> 00:11:33,720 Speaker 1: on hunting, is primarily focused on hunting. Wild and hole 182 00:11:33,880 --> 00:11:38,400 Speaker 1: is more focused on preparation of food and sourcing of food, 183 00:11:38,400 --> 00:11:43,880 Speaker 1: and so they look at farming, homesteading, foraging, gardening, gardening. Yeah, 184 00:11:43,920 --> 00:11:46,240 Speaker 1: and so Misty she works for them, and she does 185 00:11:46,280 --> 00:11:49,360 Speaker 1: a lot of stuff about her garden, about cooking, just 186 00:11:49,360 --> 00:11:52,360 Speaker 1: about feeding our family. Yeah. So you can follow Missy 187 00:11:52,360 --> 00:11:56,400 Speaker 1: at Newcombe Farm. At Newcomb Farm. That also reminds me 188 00:11:56,400 --> 00:12:00,280 Speaker 1: of one of my favorite George Bush junior isms when 189 00:12:00,280 --> 00:12:02,719 Speaker 1: he was talking about he was giving this speech and 190 00:12:02,760 --> 00:12:04,760 Speaker 1: he said, we got people out there working hard to 191 00:12:04,800 --> 00:12:15,760 Speaker 1: put food on their family, putting food on Uh. Yeah, 192 00:12:15,920 --> 00:12:18,760 Speaker 1: so that's great. While speaking of food, while we were 193 00:12:18,800 --> 00:12:21,600 Speaker 1: out just before this, Brent was telling me a story 194 00:12:21,880 --> 00:12:26,960 Speaker 1: about his turkey hunting mentor Mr. Leon. And now, so 195 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:28,960 Speaker 1: Brent's gonna tell a story, and let me just say, 196 00:12:29,080 --> 00:12:32,000 Speaker 1: you're just gonna have to hold your horses until you 197 00:12:32,120 --> 00:12:35,040 Speaker 1: come to too many judgments about in the direction this 198 00:12:35,080 --> 00:12:39,160 Speaker 1: story is going. Okay, Grant tell them about Mr Leon. Well, 199 00:12:39,240 --> 00:12:41,360 Speaker 1: let me let me let me tell him first. While 200 00:12:41,360 --> 00:12:44,360 Speaker 1: we were talking about that, I was telling Brent about 201 00:12:44,600 --> 00:12:48,679 Speaker 1: two kumps. Okay, this is potentially some foreshadowing, but I'm 202 00:12:48,679 --> 00:12:51,600 Speaker 1: doing a little research on a Native American leader named 203 00:12:51,600 --> 00:12:57,240 Speaker 1: to kumps who was arguably one of the most prominent 204 00:12:57,559 --> 00:13:02,520 Speaker 1: skilled indigenous leaders of at least modern history that we 205 00:13:02,679 --> 00:13:08,040 Speaker 1: can record of Native American stuff. Twokumpsa was kind of 206 00:13:08,040 --> 00:13:11,560 Speaker 1: a peculiar guy and he broke He broke his leg 207 00:13:11,679 --> 00:13:14,240 Speaker 1: when he was like sixteen years old riding a horse 208 00:13:14,280 --> 00:13:16,720 Speaker 1: shooting a buffalo, and he walked with a limp. And 209 00:13:16,760 --> 00:13:20,840 Speaker 1: he was always real weird with taking on a wife. 210 00:13:21,240 --> 00:13:25,000 Speaker 1: And he he had three wives, different ones, but he 211 00:13:25,000 --> 00:13:27,520 Speaker 1: he never stayed with him and he was always just 212 00:13:27,600 --> 00:13:30,520 Speaker 1: to kind of like take a wife and be like ah. 213 00:13:30,559 --> 00:13:35,360 Speaker 1: And his second wife Mamita. One time he had killed 214 00:13:35,400 --> 00:13:37,679 Speaker 1: a wild turkey. And this is why this is relevant 215 00:13:37,679 --> 00:13:39,760 Speaker 1: to this podcast. This is April where there was a 216 00:13:39,760 --> 00:13:42,760 Speaker 1: goblin turkey, I don't know. He killed a wild turkey 217 00:13:42,800 --> 00:13:45,520 Speaker 1: and he took it back to Mamita to take care 218 00:13:45,559 --> 00:13:48,360 Speaker 1: of and she plucked the turkey, which is interesting that 219 00:13:48,400 --> 00:13:50,679 Speaker 1: she plucked it, she didn't breast it, and she served 220 00:13:50,720 --> 00:13:53,400 Speaker 1: it to Twokumpsa and the family. This isn't a joke, 221 00:13:53,480 --> 00:13:55,640 Speaker 1: this is a real story. When when it was served 222 00:13:55,760 --> 00:13:59,680 Speaker 1: there was still some pin feathers on the plucked bird, 223 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:02,520 Speaker 1: and it embarrassed and made two comes to so mad 224 00:14:02,559 --> 00:14:04,800 Speaker 1: that when dinner was over, he got up and he said, 225 00:14:04,880 --> 00:14:08,120 Speaker 1: you're gonna have to leave. He said, we're done. Actually, 226 00:14:08,160 --> 00:14:11,320 Speaker 1: he said, you've brought shame on me, and I cannot 227 00:14:11,360 --> 00:14:14,559 Speaker 1: tolerate this, and he essentially divorced her. What was wrong? 228 00:14:14,640 --> 00:14:22,400 Speaker 1: What was wrong with that? His actions better? Oh? Yeah, 229 00:14:22,440 --> 00:14:24,640 Speaker 1: I could actually read it. Go ahead, and Clay is 230 00:14:24,680 --> 00:14:27,400 Speaker 1: reading this book somewhere and he clips that part out, 231 00:14:27,520 --> 00:14:29,120 Speaker 1: takes a picture of it, and sends it to me. 232 00:14:29,200 --> 00:14:30,680 Speaker 1: And I read this whole story and I get to 233 00:14:30,680 --> 00:14:32,240 Speaker 1: the bottom and see that he send her away for, 234 00:14:32,480 --> 00:14:35,280 Speaker 1: you know, not proficiently plucking a turkey. And I wrote 235 00:14:35,320 --> 00:14:39,400 Speaker 1: back and I said, hey, Clay, is this a threat? 236 00:14:39,680 --> 00:14:42,120 Speaker 1: Here's the exact section that says to comes to discovered 237 00:14:42,120 --> 00:14:44,560 Speaker 1: a few small feathers still stuck to it. After his 238 00:14:44,600 --> 00:14:47,240 Speaker 1: friends left, he handed his wife her clothing and told 239 00:14:47,280 --> 00:14:50,400 Speaker 1: her to leave. The astonished woman asked to come to 240 00:14:50,560 --> 00:14:53,360 Speaker 1: why he was banishing her because of the turkey feathers. 241 00:14:53,400 --> 00:14:57,360 Speaker 1: He replied her entreaties to stay met with a cold rebuke. No, 242 00:14:57,760 --> 00:15:01,480 Speaker 1: you must go. I'm ashamed of you. We may separate forever. 243 00:15:01,680 --> 00:15:06,840 Speaker 1: And he drove her out so after I told Brent 244 00:15:07,040 --> 00:15:10,720 Speaker 1: that story. Brent tells me this story. But before you go, 245 00:15:11,120 --> 00:15:13,280 Speaker 1: if you like, stop the podcast and you go these 246 00:15:13,440 --> 00:15:17,520 Speaker 1: misogynistic you know, people don't think that, But just listen 247 00:15:17,560 --> 00:15:21,200 Speaker 1: to Brent's story. This was a nineteen This happened in 248 00:15:21,680 --> 00:15:25,680 Speaker 1: nineteen forty six. It could it was either forty five, 249 00:15:26,080 --> 00:15:28,440 Speaker 1: late forty five or forty six when Mr Leon got 250 00:15:28,440 --> 00:15:31,280 Speaker 1: home from the war. This was a guy Brent worked 251 00:15:31,480 --> 00:15:33,520 Speaker 1: I worked with. He was He was a turkey hunter. 252 00:15:33,560 --> 00:15:36,200 Speaker 1: And you know, we all said something about Colin Turkey's 253 00:15:36,240 --> 00:15:38,640 Speaker 1: with a briar leaf for a green leaf. Mr Leon 254 00:15:38,720 --> 00:15:41,240 Speaker 1: could do that. He used to used the green briar leaf. 255 00:15:41,240 --> 00:15:45,280 Speaker 1: He sound just like a turkey. Anyway. He told me 256 00:15:45,360 --> 00:15:47,600 Speaker 1: that one time. We'll right after he got married, so 257 00:15:47,720 --> 00:15:49,960 Speaker 1: they spent they had a one night honeymoon. They went 258 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:52,600 Speaker 1: to the house that they lived in. This would have 259 00:15:52,600 --> 00:15:55,680 Speaker 1: been in nineteen eighty eight or eight or nine when 260 00:15:55,800 --> 00:15:57,560 Speaker 1: he told me the story. And they've been living there 261 00:15:57,600 --> 00:16:01,320 Speaker 1: since they got married. And he's the first morning after 262 00:16:01,360 --> 00:16:03,280 Speaker 1: their honey went when the first night they spent there, 263 00:16:03,280 --> 00:16:05,960 Speaker 1: he got up and she was in the kitchen cooking breakfast. 264 00:16:06,040 --> 00:16:07,480 Speaker 1: She said, what do you want for breakfast, and he 265 00:16:07,520 --> 00:16:10,000 Speaker 1: was walking outside to bust some wood up. He said, 266 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:12,040 Speaker 1: I want two eggs over easy. I want some grits. 267 00:16:12,080 --> 00:16:14,120 Speaker 1: I want some ham and the eggs. I don't want 268 00:16:14,160 --> 00:16:16,440 Speaker 1: no pepper on him and in a cup of coffee, 269 00:16:16,480 --> 00:16:18,120 Speaker 1: and out the door he went. He went out and 270 00:16:18,120 --> 00:16:21,280 Speaker 1: he starts busting wood. She calls him, lean, your your 271 00:16:21,320 --> 00:16:23,640 Speaker 1: breakfast is ready. He comes back in the house and 272 00:16:23,680 --> 00:16:26,240 Speaker 1: sets down to the table forwards yourself a cup of coffee. 273 00:16:26,280 --> 00:16:28,040 Speaker 1: And she sets the plate down in front of him, 274 00:16:28,040 --> 00:16:31,280 Speaker 1: and it's got everything he wanted, except it had pepper 275 00:16:31,320 --> 00:16:33,320 Speaker 1: on the eggs. And he said, he said, I thought 276 00:16:33,360 --> 00:16:36,640 Speaker 1: to myself if I should say something about the about 277 00:16:36,640 --> 00:16:39,160 Speaker 1: the pepper, But then he said, no, I'm just gonna 278 00:16:39,240 --> 00:16:41,080 Speaker 1: I'm gonna start this off right. I'm not gonna let 279 00:16:41,120 --> 00:16:43,120 Speaker 1: her get away with this. And I picked that plate up, 280 00:16:43,200 --> 00:16:46,320 Speaker 1: I held at an arm's length and just slowly dumped 281 00:16:46,360 --> 00:16:49,440 Speaker 1: it out in the floor. He says. She was standing 282 00:16:49,480 --> 00:16:52,720 Speaker 1: behind him, and he handed her the plate, and he said, 283 00:16:53,200 --> 00:16:55,600 Speaker 1: my intention was to tell her, I said, don't put 284 00:16:55,640 --> 00:16:57,680 Speaker 1: any pepper on my eggs. He said, I think I 285 00:16:57,720 --> 00:17:01,360 Speaker 1: got to like the first p in pepper when I 286 00:17:01,400 --> 00:17:03,920 Speaker 1: assumed she turned up played up edgeways. It hit me 287 00:17:03,960 --> 00:17:07,840 Speaker 1: on the top of the head with it, because the 288 00:17:08,200 --> 00:17:11,159 Speaker 1: scar when I woke up, Matt's like the edge of 289 00:17:11,160 --> 00:17:14,000 Speaker 1: the plate. He said, it in the morning had gone. 290 00:17:14,040 --> 00:17:16,000 Speaker 1: It was up midday, and I had laid there and 291 00:17:16,080 --> 00:17:20,200 Speaker 1: knocked out unconscious in the floor so that the yellow 292 00:17:20,280 --> 00:17:22,679 Speaker 1: on them eggs that stuck to his face and dried, 293 00:17:23,240 --> 00:17:25,320 Speaker 1: and he said it sounded like duct tape when he 294 00:17:25,400 --> 00:17:28,520 Speaker 1: raised his face up off the floor. He said, I 295 00:17:28,560 --> 00:17:30,760 Speaker 1: stumbled around in the house, and I looked and all 296 00:17:30,800 --> 00:17:33,240 Speaker 1: her clothes were gone, said, we didn't have it one car, 297 00:17:33,280 --> 00:17:35,320 Speaker 1: and it was there, so but we did have a phone, 298 00:17:35,400 --> 00:17:37,040 Speaker 1: but her mom and daddy didn't have one, he said, 299 00:17:37,240 --> 00:17:38,959 Speaker 1: and they lived in town. He said, I assume that's 300 00:17:39,000 --> 00:17:40,560 Speaker 1: where she went, he said. So I got in the 301 00:17:40,640 --> 00:17:43,920 Speaker 1: car when I could see, and I drove to town, 302 00:17:44,000 --> 00:17:46,639 Speaker 1: and sure enough, that's where she was at. And her 303 00:17:46,720 --> 00:17:48,960 Speaker 1: daddy told me, said she ain't coming right now, but 304 00:17:49,080 --> 00:17:51,480 Speaker 1: she says she'll be home and when she gets ready, 305 00:17:52,440 --> 00:17:54,960 Speaker 1: he said. A couple of days go by and she 306 00:17:55,080 --> 00:17:57,440 Speaker 1: comes home and it's right for supper time to start 307 00:17:57,480 --> 00:17:59,960 Speaker 1: cooking supper, and she come in, didn't say a word. 308 00:18:00,200 --> 00:18:03,080 Speaker 1: They cooked supper, they went on like nothing had happened, 309 00:18:03,200 --> 00:18:05,560 Speaker 1: went to bed gaps. The next morning, the same routine 310 00:18:05,600 --> 00:18:08,600 Speaker 1: played out. He started to go outside to do his chores, 311 00:18:09,080 --> 00:18:10,720 Speaker 1: and she asked him what he wanted for breakfast, and 312 00:18:10,760 --> 00:18:15,680 Speaker 1: he told her the exact same thing. Grits, ham, eggs, 313 00:18:16,040 --> 00:18:19,400 Speaker 1: no pepper. He said, I went outside, done my chores. 314 00:18:19,480 --> 00:18:21,720 Speaker 1: She called me back in to eat breakfast. I sat down, 315 00:18:21,800 --> 00:18:23,920 Speaker 1: poured a cup of coffee. So she set that plate 316 00:18:24,000 --> 00:18:25,760 Speaker 1: down in front of me, and he said, it looked 317 00:18:25,760 --> 00:18:30,439 Speaker 1: like a can pepper poured on top of them two eggs. 318 00:18:30,640 --> 00:18:32,800 Speaker 1: So I and I had know Mr Leon was not 319 00:18:32,920 --> 00:18:35,479 Speaker 1: an easy I loved him, absolutely loved him, but he 320 00:18:35,520 --> 00:18:37,359 Speaker 1: was not an easy guy to get along with. So 321 00:18:37,440 --> 00:18:40,440 Speaker 1: I know this this story where this is going. He's 322 00:18:40,440 --> 00:18:42,520 Speaker 1: fixing the dump this in the in the in the 323 00:18:42,560 --> 00:18:44,840 Speaker 1: floor again And I said, well, what you do? He said, 324 00:18:44,840 --> 00:18:50,600 Speaker 1: I've been eating pepper on my eggs ever since. So 325 00:18:51,680 --> 00:18:53,760 Speaker 1: the lesson there, I mean, there's lots of lessons in 326 00:18:54,280 --> 00:18:59,080 Speaker 1: that story, but adapt and overcome. I think I like 327 00:18:59,280 --> 00:19:02,399 Speaker 1: that held you that story in nineteen two. No, that 328 00:19:02,400 --> 00:19:06,280 Speaker 1: would have been like nine and he was still married 329 00:19:06,280 --> 00:19:14,800 Speaker 1: to the apparently they worked. Tell tell me about the 330 00:19:14,840 --> 00:19:19,280 Speaker 1: way Leon about his entry and exit routes. He uh. 331 00:19:19,520 --> 00:19:22,440 Speaker 1: We worked in the woods. We managed timber for George Pacific, 332 00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:27,560 Speaker 1: and our office was in Florida Ice, Arkansas at the 333 00:19:27,600 --> 00:19:29,159 Speaker 1: mill where the meal was at and we'd go in 334 00:19:29,200 --> 00:19:32,560 Speaker 1: every morning we get our orders from the forester, which 335 00:19:32,680 --> 00:19:35,800 Speaker 1: tracked UH to go either mark for cutting or whatever 336 00:19:35,840 --> 00:19:37,520 Speaker 1: we were doing, we had to leave and go out 337 00:19:37,520 --> 00:19:40,040 Speaker 1: in the woods to do it. And every time we 338 00:19:40,080 --> 00:19:42,440 Speaker 1: would come back in, if we went out one direction, 339 00:19:42,480 --> 00:19:45,000 Speaker 1: he would make us come back another way. We never 340 00:19:45,080 --> 00:19:47,600 Speaker 1: took the same route back to the office, even if 341 00:19:47,640 --> 00:19:50,720 Speaker 1: it was the quickest way. And this went on four 342 00:19:50,840 --> 00:19:53,080 Speaker 1: I was just a young fellow now, and he was, 343 00:19:53,560 --> 00:19:55,639 Speaker 1: like I said, of war two vets, so he was older, 344 00:19:55,640 --> 00:19:58,320 Speaker 1: and he just he put the orders out there and 345 00:19:58,359 --> 00:20:00,840 Speaker 1: I said, yesterday, and we did them. But this particular day, 346 00:20:00,880 --> 00:20:03,560 Speaker 1: it was in August, and it was so hot, and 347 00:20:03,600 --> 00:20:05,840 Speaker 1: we've been out in marking timber all day and we 348 00:20:05,880 --> 00:20:08,040 Speaker 1: think there was no reconditioning in the truck. We got 349 00:20:08,040 --> 00:20:09,760 Speaker 1: through with work and he said, all right, let's go home. 350 00:20:09,960 --> 00:20:12,119 Speaker 1: We got in the truck and we started home and 351 00:20:12,160 --> 00:20:14,120 Speaker 1: I said, I'm just gonna go straight down the highway 352 00:20:14,119 --> 00:20:17,320 Speaker 1: like we come up here, be quicker, go back home. 353 00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:20,000 Speaker 1: He said, no, when you get down here and take 354 00:20:20,040 --> 00:20:22,480 Speaker 1: a ride on such and such road, we're gonna go 355 00:20:22,560 --> 00:20:24,719 Speaker 1: the back way. I said, Mr. Lee, And I'm hot, 356 00:20:25,520 --> 00:20:29,320 Speaker 1: I'm tired. I smell it's hot in this truck. I 357 00:20:29,359 --> 00:20:31,840 Speaker 1: want to go home. He said, no, take that road 358 00:20:31,920 --> 00:20:34,639 Speaker 1: up there. So I took the road. And I was 359 00:20:34,680 --> 00:20:36,800 Speaker 1: taking the road, I asked him. I said, we have 360 00:20:36,920 --> 00:20:40,240 Speaker 1: been doing this every day, not one time, and would 361 00:20:40,240 --> 00:20:42,000 Speaker 1: come back the same way, even even when it would 362 00:20:42,040 --> 00:20:45,280 Speaker 1: be quicker. Why are we coming back a different way 363 00:20:45,280 --> 00:20:48,240 Speaker 1: than we went out? And he reached in his pocket 364 00:20:48,280 --> 00:20:51,120 Speaker 1: and I'm driving, I'm watching him over there. He never 365 00:20:51,160 --> 00:20:52,760 Speaker 1: even looked at me. You're reached in his pocket and 366 00:20:52,800 --> 00:20:55,600 Speaker 1: he took out a cool menthor cigarette and he did it. 367 00:20:56,600 --> 00:20:59,240 Speaker 1: He took a puff off of it, and he's staring 368 00:20:59,240 --> 00:21:02,640 Speaker 1: out the window. He's that son. Have you ever been ambushed? 369 00:21:03,680 --> 00:21:07,080 Speaker 1: And I thought ambushed? Uh no, sir, he said, well 370 00:21:07,240 --> 00:21:09,280 Speaker 1: I have, and we ain't going back the same way 371 00:21:09,320 --> 00:21:12,920 Speaker 1: we came out. So that was a habit he got 372 00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:16,920 Speaker 1: into in the South Pacific fighting World War two, and 373 00:21:18,560 --> 00:21:23,560 Speaker 1: it served him, Well, we never got ambushed. Never go 374 00:21:23,640 --> 00:21:27,160 Speaker 1: back the same way you came. Science is good. That's 375 00:21:27,160 --> 00:21:31,800 Speaker 1: pretty incredible. Well, hey, it's uh. We're recording this in 376 00:21:31,880 --> 00:21:36,159 Speaker 1: early April. The Arkansas Youth Turkey Hunt and season is 377 00:21:36,240 --> 00:21:40,280 Speaker 1: this coming weekend, and so the people I have here 378 00:21:40,320 --> 00:21:45,719 Speaker 1: are missing Newcomb. To my left, Brent Reeves, Josh Lambridge, Spillmaker. 379 00:21:46,240 --> 00:21:48,679 Speaker 1: Good to see you, Josh, Gary knwcom So we were 380 00:21:48,680 --> 00:21:51,000 Speaker 1: twenty minutes then. I'm just not introducing you, but I 381 00:21:51,040 --> 00:21:56,240 Speaker 1: wanted to so me and Josh we have been youth 382 00:21:56,240 --> 00:22:01,960 Speaker 1: turkey hunting with our kids for long. I mean last 383 00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:04,200 Speaker 1: year was the first year that I think you didn't 384 00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:07,000 Speaker 1: go because you kind of had kids that kind of 385 00:22:07,119 --> 00:22:10,440 Speaker 1: crested crested out of it. But me and Josh had 386 00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:13,159 Speaker 1: some pretty incredible years of youth turkey hunting, and I 387 00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:16,880 Speaker 1: wanted to tell one of my favorite stories we where 388 00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:20,520 Speaker 1: we're hunting. It's pretty it's it's pretty cool because during 389 00:22:20,560 --> 00:22:24,560 Speaker 1: the youth hunt, you can find birds because when birds 390 00:22:25,080 --> 00:22:28,000 Speaker 1: are are not thick, which in Arkansas. You know, if 391 00:22:28,040 --> 00:22:29,760 Speaker 1: you listen to the last podcast, you heard us say 392 00:22:29,800 --> 00:22:32,399 Speaker 1: that six of our birds are gone. So back in 393 00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:34,160 Speaker 1: the heyday, we had a lot of birds are easy 394 00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:37,440 Speaker 1: to find, but what happens across the landscape when birds 395 00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:40,840 Speaker 1: die out is that there'll be pockets of them that 396 00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:44,320 Speaker 1: they're fairly thick. So that's why it's kind of confusing 397 00:22:44,359 --> 00:22:46,280 Speaker 1: to some people, because you might be in a pocket 398 00:22:46,320 --> 00:22:48,840 Speaker 1: a good turkey hunting and be like, what's the big deal. 399 00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:51,600 Speaker 1: We still kill turkeys, and it's like, well, but every 400 00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:55,920 Speaker 1: other place doesn't. Well, on public land, everybody knows where 401 00:22:55,960 --> 00:22:58,840 Speaker 1: these little pockets of turkeys are, and during the youth 402 00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:03,200 Speaker 1: season you can usually slipping there, especially if you camp there, 403 00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:04,960 Speaker 1: you can go in there. So me and Josh and 404 00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:08,080 Speaker 1: the kids did that for for years and had great 405 00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:10,160 Speaker 1: turkey gun I mean we could just walk out from 406 00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:13,160 Speaker 1: our camp and expect to hear a turkey and killed 407 00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:16,720 Speaker 1: a few. But the best story, well there's two stories 408 00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:20,200 Speaker 1: the act three. The best one was the kids were 409 00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:23,800 Speaker 1: I want to say Willow and Mallory, our oldest daughters 410 00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:29,720 Speaker 1: were probably like was probably eleven or twelve, and Willow 411 00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:33,400 Speaker 1: would have been ten, and we had we had two 412 00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:35,840 Speaker 1: little girls, and I think David was with us and 413 00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:38,800 Speaker 1: me and Josh, so there's there's five of us and 414 00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:42,760 Speaker 1: we we hear turkey gobble. It's like late in the morning. 415 00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:47,840 Speaker 1: And on this one rivers there's six of us, six 416 00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:54,320 Speaker 1: of us, two kids, and well who had the gun? Willow. 417 00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:58,320 Speaker 1: It was Willow's year. David had to go. David had 418 00:23:58,359 --> 00:24:01,440 Speaker 1: the gun. There were seven of us were we were 419 00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:06,000 Speaker 1: all there, David, Mallory, Willow, River, Clay, Jock, Okay, six 420 00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:09,600 Speaker 1: of us, six of us. Anyway, nine o'clock in the morning, 421 00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:13,440 Speaker 1: late in the morning. I yelp here, turkey gobble. We've 422 00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:15,520 Speaker 1: got the kids all camoed up on the you know, 423 00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:18,080 Speaker 1: face paint, and that we're just ready to go. And 424 00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:20,200 Speaker 1: and and our kids were pretty good at being still 425 00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:23,560 Speaker 1: and quiet. Yeah, we've trained them pretty good. And this 426 00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:26,840 Speaker 1: turkey gobb was so close that I'm just like, get down, everybody, 427 00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:30,160 Speaker 1: you know, and we're giving orders like you two sit here, 428 00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:33,160 Speaker 1: you two sit here. And the person with a shotgun 429 00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:37,240 Speaker 1: maybe was right with me and you were sitting back behind. Yeah, 430 00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:41,199 Speaker 1: David was right with me. Well man, directly here comes 431 00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:44,960 Speaker 1: two big long beard gobblers. I see him from sixty 432 00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:47,520 Speaker 1: seventy yards and they're kind of walking up to our left. 433 00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:51,040 Speaker 1: And I've got Mallory and Willow at a tree like 434 00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:54,399 Speaker 1: arms reached from me, David the gun man, in between 435 00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:57,080 Speaker 1: my legs right here. These birds are coming up like this. 436 00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:01,080 Speaker 1: And we had told the kids, you know, over the 437 00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:04,200 Speaker 1: campfire all these years, we'd say stuff that Dad used 438 00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:06,680 Speaker 1: to tell me, which turns out was probably a lie. 439 00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:10,000 Speaker 1: He would say, these turkeys can see the whites of 440 00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:12,800 Speaker 1: your eyes. I mean a dad that when he's trying 441 00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:15,520 Speaker 1: to inform his kid about turkey hunting, you're trying to 442 00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:19,520 Speaker 1: scare them into then still and you know, these turkeys 443 00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:22,480 Speaker 1: can see the whites of your eyes. We told the 444 00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:26,199 Speaker 1: girls that in David, Well, these turkeys come in and 445 00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:29,480 Speaker 1: they played gobble out in front of us, and they 446 00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:32,399 Speaker 1: they never strutted, but they were just beautiful coming up 447 00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:35,679 Speaker 1: the ridge. The turkeys come in, and David was just 448 00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:38,800 Speaker 1: a little kid, and I couldn't get him on the turkeys. 449 00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:41,960 Speaker 1: And they stayed out at maybe thirty yards and they 450 00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:44,159 Speaker 1: were kind of in a weird at a weird angle too, 451 00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:46,560 Speaker 1: if you remember it. Just it's just one of those deals. 452 00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:48,119 Speaker 1: I just couldn't get him on it. But the birds 453 00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:52,480 Speaker 1: were really enraged and close and and they missed. They 454 00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:56,800 Speaker 1: circled back around the tree almost I remember it was. 455 00:25:57,119 --> 00:25:59,520 Speaker 1: I mean they weren't ten fiftet, but the way they 456 00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:02,199 Speaker 1: were at we couldn't get a shot on him. And 457 00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:04,880 Speaker 1: so the bird finally goes off, and I mean he's 458 00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:07,440 Speaker 1: gobbled and we've seen him. And the kids are just like, oh, 459 00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:10,520 Speaker 1: that's great. And so we after they leave, we're all 460 00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:13,919 Speaker 1: standing up and I say, man, wasn't that beautiful. I mean, 461 00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:16,000 Speaker 1: I'm trying to interpret for them. This is like a 462 00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:18,480 Speaker 1: magnificent thing that's just happened. We didn't get in, but 463 00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:23,080 Speaker 1: that's okay. And Mallory, Josh's oldest daughter, goes, oh, man, 464 00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:25,359 Speaker 1: and I said, Mallory, what do you think do you 465 00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:27,720 Speaker 1: see those turkeys? And she said, no, I never saw him. 466 00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:33,400 Speaker 1: And she said, you told me to keep my eyes closed, 467 00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:39,080 Speaker 1: And when she heard those she shut her eyes tight. Man. 468 00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:47,880 Speaker 1: She never for the shooter. Sheer one thing you can't 469 00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:51,600 Speaker 1: say about I mean, she is straight like an arrow. Right. 470 00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:57,760 Speaker 1: It was. It was so funny because she was dead serious. 471 00:26:57,760 --> 00:26:59,600 Speaker 1: I mean she was like, I didn't even I didn't 472 00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:03,960 Speaker 1: even see him. And she's so happy knowing Mallory. She's 473 00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:07,119 Speaker 1: so happy. And then as the kids got older, the 474 00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:10,480 Speaker 1: next year, David was again the shooter. We heard birds, 475 00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:13,080 Speaker 1: but we had a different strategy. Me and David went 476 00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:16,280 Speaker 1: in kind of like yards ahead, and all the kids 477 00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:19,600 Speaker 1: set back, and so we called in a gobbler and 478 00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:23,040 Speaker 1: David had a single shot four ten, break open single 479 00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:25,840 Speaker 1: shot four ten, and we call a big gobbler and man, 480 00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:28,560 Speaker 1: he comes in, dude shooting range and I'm just like, 481 00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:33,359 Speaker 1: he's probably twenty five yards, which is you know, but 482 00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:35,959 Speaker 1: he wasn't coming closer. He would not. I mean, he 483 00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:39,960 Speaker 1: was there for twenty minutes. Probably he will come well. 484 00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:43,840 Speaker 1: But but when he finally came in, David gets on him, 485 00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:48,200 Speaker 1: and you know, David's probably ten ten years old. Boom shoots, 486 00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:51,199 Speaker 1: and that turkey just kind of like jumps up in 487 00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:53,760 Speaker 1: the air and hits the ground. And I start calling, 488 00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:57,760 Speaker 1: mind you, this is a single shot, and I think 489 00:27:57,760 --> 00:28:01,280 Speaker 1: it's the Hunts over. But when I call that turkey 490 00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:03,359 Speaker 1: just kind of looks at me and starts kind of 491 00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:06,199 Speaker 1: just doesn't run off. And so I say, David up 492 00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:08,800 Speaker 1: another showed up another shell, and so I'm you're trying 493 00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:11,360 Speaker 1: to break this gun over and David scrambling for a 494 00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:13,880 Speaker 1: bullet and he puts another bullet in and I say, 495 00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:16,360 Speaker 1: shoot him again, and so he pulls up that four 496 00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:21,520 Speaker 1: to him, boom, shoots the turkey kind of jumps up 497 00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:23,920 Speaker 1: and I work, work, work, work, work. How many times 498 00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:27,440 Speaker 1: did he shoot? Four times that he shot at the time, 499 00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:31,040 Speaker 1: I mean a long beard gobbler and four times just 500 00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:35,439 Speaker 1: didn't have enough. All the other kids, Josh and the 501 00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:38,920 Speaker 1: little girls are all back there and they hear him 502 00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:42,080 Speaker 1: shoot and they're like, yes, David got one. And then 503 00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:46,280 Speaker 1: and then he shot again and they go, oh, I 504 00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:50,000 Speaker 1: wonder if we got it? And then boom and shoot again. 505 00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:55,080 Speaker 1: He has to kill two and then the fourth time. 506 00:28:55,160 --> 00:29:03,400 Speaker 1: You you guys had to be like something. You and oh, man, 507 00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:06,360 Speaker 1: we walked up, I remember David, and I walked back 508 00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:10,920 Speaker 1: to him, you know, and we're just like, man, exactly, 509 00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:15,480 Speaker 1: anybody got an extra box show. He's still waiting for 510 00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:19,440 Speaker 1: us something. And he shot at another turkey that same day. 511 00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:23,560 Speaker 1: Do you remember that good he We were in him 512 00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:28,080 Speaker 1: thick man that hunting might not be David's game when 513 00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:30,920 Speaker 1: he was sixteen. He killed when he was sixteen. Some 514 00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:34,360 Speaker 1: of the most beautiful pictures that I have remember when 515 00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:36,840 Speaker 1: he had turkey camp. We had a backcountry turkey camp 516 00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:40,120 Speaker 1: where we went back in took a mule and took 517 00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:43,800 Speaker 1: all the boys and David and man, we walked up 518 00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:48,120 Speaker 1: on top of the mountain daylight opening day, when Howling 519 00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:50,800 Speaker 1: hadn't been in there to scout, just kind of thought 520 00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:53,760 Speaker 1: there might be one in there, and I mean no more, 521 00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:57,200 Speaker 1: sat down and called up two big gobblers and so, 522 00:29:57,520 --> 00:30:02,080 Speaker 1: you know, yeah, pretty cool. Yeah, why didn't you take 523 00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:06,560 Speaker 1: me youth hunting? I didn't like, you know, it's funny 524 00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:09,600 Speaker 1: back in the day, like, uh, I don't know, we 525 00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:11,479 Speaker 1: just didn't have maybe we didn't have you. You know, 526 00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:14,440 Speaker 1: you didn't show any interest in turkey hunting. I mean 527 00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:17,360 Speaker 1: a lot of stuff I did. You know, you're like going, 528 00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:20,040 Speaker 1: I'm too cool for that. But the whole time you 529 00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:23,040 Speaker 1: were sore being all these little stories I was telling. 530 00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:25,680 Speaker 1: And as you got a little older, you know, you 531 00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:27,880 Speaker 1: were going like, yeah, man, it's I want to do 532 00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:30,760 Speaker 1: some of this stuff. Do you remember that year when 533 00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:34,600 Speaker 1: when you first took me hunting down Polk County and 534 00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:37,920 Speaker 1: went out hunting. We found it? You know what when 535 00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:39,600 Speaker 1: when I was listening to this podcast, do you remember 536 00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:43,280 Speaker 1: us finding that nest with eggs in it? And then 537 00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:48,600 Speaker 1: we proceeded to get lost for hours and hours and 538 00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:53,760 Speaker 1: walking miles and miles before smartphones. Yeah yeah, we camped 539 00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:57,360 Speaker 1: out there. Yeah yeah, yeah, that was pretty fun. You know, 540 00:30:57,400 --> 00:30:59,720 Speaker 1: I've seen a nest just right out in the middle 541 00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:03,000 Speaker 1: of the woods. I'm sure everybody that's probably Turkey had 542 00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:05,720 Speaker 1: a lot is running into that, but I'd only encountered 543 00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:07,880 Speaker 1: it one time. I mean, I'm just thinking, I think 544 00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:10,400 Speaker 1: I would have put it over around some brush or something. 545 00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:12,600 Speaker 1: I was just like, not, yeah, just on the side 546 00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:15,560 Speaker 1: of a hill and right there. I mean, you could 547 00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:18,360 Speaker 1: see how many turkey nests you think you found one? 548 00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:22,600 Speaker 1: Just one one? I mean I've seen where I just 549 00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:25,160 Speaker 1: knew there was a nest because I could tell the 550 00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:26,920 Speaker 1: way the hen was acting, and I'd go in and 551 00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:28,720 Speaker 1: I never could find it. It's like they kind of 552 00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:35,320 Speaker 1: hied them. This this bird was I think I think 553 00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:40,239 Speaker 1: some some statistical group of hen turkeys will do that. 554 00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:42,360 Speaker 1: I mean, they might just put it right out in 555 00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:45,800 Speaker 1: the open, and then some others are real clever with 556 00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:48,440 Speaker 1: the way they hied them, you know. But I think 557 00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:50,760 Speaker 1: I found two turkeynests. How many Turkey nts have you found? 558 00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:52,520 Speaker 1: Brand Well, I worked in the woods, so I was 559 00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:56,400 Speaker 1: in the woods every day. I have a bunch yeah, yeah, yeah, 560 00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:59,160 Speaker 1: a bunch of them. Would you find kind of in 561 00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:01,680 Speaker 1: the brush or the open or what it would be 562 00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:05,480 Speaker 1: mainly in like wood lots. You know, you'd get a 563 00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:08,360 Speaker 1: group of our stand of timber or in the edge 564 00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:12,080 Speaker 1: of a edge of a like a pasture. I mean 565 00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:16,040 Speaker 1: it wouldn't really be hidden. I mean a lot of 566 00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:18,480 Speaker 1: the A lot of them I would find only because 567 00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:21,160 Speaker 1: I got so close to the hen she jumped up, 568 00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:23,920 Speaker 1: and she jumped up and flew, or if she stayed set, 569 00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:26,560 Speaker 1: I'd probably never seen it. What doesn't make any sense 570 00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:29,360 Speaker 1: to me from a biological perspective is why those eggs 571 00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:33,120 Speaker 1: are so bright. Would it not make sense for those 572 00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:38,320 Speaker 1: things to be just brown camouflage. I don't know. Maybe 573 00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:41,560 Speaker 1: it's something for the for the turkeys to identify to 574 00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:43,440 Speaker 1: find them back. You know, I don't know, but I 575 00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:47,000 Speaker 1: thought about that too, you know, like different colors of eggs, 576 00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:53,160 Speaker 1: Like you know, some chickens lay brown eggs, And if 577 00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:58,480 Speaker 1: I were President of the Turkeys, I'd suggest that we 578 00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:01,280 Speaker 1: need different color eggs. I think for s Minister, maybe 579 00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:02,600 Speaker 1: that would be a way that we could help the 580 00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:06,640 Speaker 1: turkey populations. We could, uh, we could have different colored 581 00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:12,280 Speaker 1: Turkey Giggs. MISTI have you ever seen Turkey Giggs? What 582 00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:15,320 Speaker 1: what Mike? Dr Mike Chamberlain wild Turkey doc on Instagram. 583 00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:18,400 Speaker 1: He he has a pretty interesting well he has He 584 00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:22,400 Speaker 1: has a real interesting story. Um. He works for the 585 00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:25,040 Speaker 1: University of Georgia and as a as a Turkey researcher, 586 00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:27,520 Speaker 1: and he went on the Mediator podcast a couple of 587 00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:29,920 Speaker 1: years ago and all of a sudden just rose to 588 00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:33,480 Speaker 1: national prominence in a lot of circles. Now in the 589 00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:36,360 Speaker 1: academic circles, he was always kind of where he was at, 590 00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:40,440 Speaker 1: and there's there's lots of other incredible Turkey biologists that 591 00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:42,880 Speaker 1: are around the country that you know are his peers. 592 00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:45,400 Speaker 1: But he kind of was in a unique situation and 593 00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:49,000 Speaker 1: that he kind of rose to like some have some 594 00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:53,480 Speaker 1: influence in kind of the mainstream culture world, which is 595 00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:57,440 Speaker 1: kind of interesting because usually academia has a hard time 596 00:33:57,600 --> 00:34:00,440 Speaker 1: reaching kind of pop culture. And that's what Dr Amberland 597 00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:03,320 Speaker 1: has kind of done and he and he did it 598 00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:05,479 Speaker 1: through being on the Meteor podcast. He'll tell you that 599 00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:08,960 Speaker 1: I asked him while I was there and he was like, oh, 600 00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:12,560 Speaker 1: being on the Meteor podcast is what you know got 601 00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:15,880 Speaker 1: us this? And but he is a very articulate, passionate, 602 00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:20,160 Speaker 1: very knowledgeable, neat guy, and he's the one that introduced 603 00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:23,479 Speaker 1: to many of us. You know, lots of people would 604 00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:25,840 Speaker 1: have known this, but I knew a fair bit about turkeys, 605 00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:28,120 Speaker 1: and I would not have known the details of the 606 00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:33,120 Speaker 1: predation stories on these turkeys. But I mean, turkeys are 607 00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:42,200 Speaker 1: just designed to die. They're born to die. And the 608 00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:45,120 Speaker 1: the to hear him talk about the he tells a 609 00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:48,680 Speaker 1: story of this great horned owl. And I didn't go 610 00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:51,719 Speaker 1: into all the detail, but he he had he did 611 00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:55,120 Speaker 1: a research project on where he had callers on a 612 00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:59,040 Speaker 1: whole bunch of small game animals in a certain wood lot. 613 00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:01,240 Speaker 1: He I believe he did the while he was in college. 614 00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:05,680 Speaker 1: So he had like possums, collard, pair of raccoons collard, 615 00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:10,200 Speaker 1: He had like a banded mallard. He had some kind 616 00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:12,600 Speaker 1: of birds that he was measuring, and he was trying 617 00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:16,640 Speaker 1: to measure how these animals interacted in this kind of 618 00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:21,240 Speaker 1: wild space. And he said that a male and female 619 00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:24,719 Speaker 1: great horned owl moved into that area and and so 620 00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:26,960 Speaker 1: they would get a dead signal when one of their 621 00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:29,799 Speaker 1: animals died, you know, if it didn't move for four 622 00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:33,520 Speaker 1: hours or something it would send a signal. And he 623 00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:37,600 Speaker 1: said that a male and female great Horndel killed every 624 00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:42,400 Speaker 1: single one of his research animals. I'm not kidding, killed 625 00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:46,480 Speaker 1: them all dead. I mean it wiped out his research project. 626 00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:48,360 Speaker 1: He said it actually made him happy because it was 627 00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:50,640 Speaker 1: like a two hour drive to get over there, and 628 00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:53,360 Speaker 1: he had to go over there like four times a 629 00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:57,720 Speaker 1: week to do his radio work or whatever. And uh, 630 00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:04,560 Speaker 1: they're voracious. Forty miles an hour. They for they weigh 631 00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:09,680 Speaker 1: three pounds, but they killed turkeys. They killed goblin turkeys. 632 00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:14,440 Speaker 1: I mean, you come in at forty hit him. But 633 00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:18,560 Speaker 1: he had a had a a coons squaller snatched out 634 00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:23,680 Speaker 1: of his hand one time. Yeah, by who are you serious? Yeah? 635 00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:26,320 Speaker 1: And he got it was on a leather. It actually 636 00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:30,040 Speaker 1: wasn't a coon's quald. It was a predator call. And 637 00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:31,759 Speaker 1: he and my brother were standing on the end of 638 00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:35,279 Speaker 1: on in front of the truck, and they were trying 639 00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:38,640 Speaker 1: to get a coat to run upens right at dusk, 640 00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:41,960 Speaker 1: trying to call a coat up into the road where 641 00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:44,520 Speaker 1: they could shoot it. And so he was sitting up 642 00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:48,720 Speaker 1: there blowing that predator call, blowing, blowing, blowing, old Johnny 643 00:36:48,719 --> 00:36:51,160 Speaker 1: Stewart call he's said in the next thing, he knew 644 00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:53,960 Speaker 1: he's my brothers at the back of the truck watching 645 00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:56,920 Speaker 1: that way, and said he could hear flopping in and 646 00:36:57,000 --> 00:37:00,520 Speaker 1: Joe Tiree sitting up for the cussing and having a 647 00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:02,799 Speaker 1: fit and scared and holler. And he looked and he said, 648 00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:04,680 Speaker 1: and it was a al trying to drag him, and 649 00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:08,680 Speaker 1: that Pretri called out. He had a big old cuts 650 00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:11,560 Speaker 1: on his hand from them talents. So it heard, so 651 00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:14,480 Speaker 1: it comes, it comes to something in distress, and thought 652 00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:19,640 Speaker 1: that it was a dying rabbit. Wow, that's I believe it. 653 00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:24,520 Speaker 1: I believe it. Voracious predators, man, They and these turkeys 654 00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:35,920 Speaker 1: are just born to die. What was so interesting to 655 00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:40,760 Speaker 1: me about the whole story of this podcast because I 656 00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:44,600 Speaker 1: I interviewed you know, Mr Will Primost, who's just a legend, 657 00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:48,160 Speaker 1: and I can't say enough cool things about being around Will. 658 00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:50,560 Speaker 1: He's one of those people that you meet and you 659 00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:54,359 Speaker 1: kind of will never forget him, this kind of the 660 00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:58,480 Speaker 1: way he is and the he impacts everybody's around he's 661 00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:02,360 Speaker 1: around just by how disciplined, how focused, And I wouldn't 662 00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:03,920 Speaker 1: have seen that. You wouldn't have seen that with him 663 00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:06,080 Speaker 1: out in the turkey woods. But when you're sitting with 664 00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:08,200 Speaker 1: him in a room for a couple hours and you 665 00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:10,920 Speaker 1: kind of get to know him, it is very focused, 666 00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:18,400 Speaker 1: very disciplined, very passionate, passionate, very teaching oriented. Everything he 667 00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:20,279 Speaker 1: does like he'll tell you about it. You know, he'll 668 00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:23,920 Speaker 1: be like, he'll he'll like it. With his eating, I 669 00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:25,880 Speaker 1: had met him for like forty five minutes and already 670 00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:28,360 Speaker 1: knew what he ate for breakfast and why it was 671 00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:30,720 Speaker 1: so healthy. And he does it everything. You know, he's 672 00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:33,759 Speaker 1: really passionate about everything he does. And it's it's hard 673 00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:35,680 Speaker 1: not to be impacted by people like that because you 674 00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:39,320 Speaker 1: see the intentionality with which they live. That sound bite 675 00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:41,799 Speaker 1: that that you played on there with the guy who's 676 00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:45,600 Speaker 1: killing the turkey, was that him? Yeah? Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, 677 00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:48,839 Speaker 1: yeah it It said josh uh in a voice over. 678 00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:56,319 Speaker 1: It said, this is Mr Will primost Okay, somehow miss 679 00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:59,960 Speaker 1: attention got a little bit tense in here. Sometimes sometimes 680 00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:06,839 Speaker 1: my friend, well, I had a good run. You see 681 00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:11,640 Speaker 1: yourself out. So I interviewed Mr Will And as I 682 00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:14,040 Speaker 1: go into some of these stories, I don't really know 683 00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:16,719 Speaker 1: exactly the direction that's gonna take. It's not like I 684 00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:19,520 Speaker 1: had this totally scripted out in my mind. I knew 685 00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:22,280 Speaker 1: he was a turkey expert. I knew that Dr Chamberlain 686 00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:25,160 Speaker 1: was a turkey expert, and I knew I wanted to 687 00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:29,400 Speaker 1: bring them together, not physically, but have them in the 688 00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:32,520 Speaker 1: same podcast. And as I'm talking to Mr Will, it 689 00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:37,600 Speaker 1: becomes crystal clear that his part of a component of 690 00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:40,920 Speaker 1: his success in the game call industry and the video 691 00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:46,640 Speaker 1: industry came because of the resurgence and these very good 692 00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:52,680 Speaker 1: populations of turkeys and the innovation and all that that spawned. 693 00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:54,839 Speaker 1: And it's it's like it all, it kind of all 694 00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:58,800 Speaker 1: came clear. And then here in Mike Chamberlain talking about 695 00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:01,279 Speaker 1: and he didn't know about the conversation I had with Will, 696 00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:03,320 Speaker 1: you know, I was just talking to him about turkeys, 697 00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:05,600 Speaker 1: and he was like, man, our turkeys in the Southeast 698 00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:11,360 Speaker 1: populations peaked in mid nineties and two thousand's it was. 699 00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:16,560 Speaker 1: And then it became clear to me that my ideas 700 00:40:16,719 --> 00:40:18,960 Speaker 1: in the foundations of the way that I think turkey 701 00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:22,160 Speaker 1: hut not a b came about during that time. While 702 00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:24,719 Speaker 1: I learned when I learned the turkey hunt back in 703 00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:28,719 Speaker 1: the nineties, and you remember me, you heard me say 704 00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:31,960 Speaker 1: that that place that you heard ten or twelve birds 705 00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:34,239 Speaker 1: in the same morning. You knew where I was talking about. 706 00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:40,640 Speaker 1: You didn't where I killed my first turny. See. The 707 00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:44,080 Speaker 1: reason I went in there was because, like the Saturday before, 708 00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:46,040 Speaker 1: you came out of there and you said, man, I 709 00:40:46,080 --> 00:40:48,880 Speaker 1: bet I heard ten or twelve turkeys just you know, 710 00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:52,160 Speaker 1: throughout the whole morning. And so you have these ideas 711 00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:54,520 Speaker 1: of what Turkey should be like. And then when it's 712 00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:58,040 Speaker 1: not like that, everybody's upset about it. I mean, like 713 00:40:58,160 --> 00:41:01,759 Speaker 1: everybody in this part of the world, just like, oh man, yeah, 714 00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:04,399 Speaker 1: you know, just they're they're they're upset about it. They're 715 00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:08,799 Speaker 1: blaming agencies and all this. It kind of helped me 716 00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:11,839 Speaker 1: to see that there's a there's a bigger thing going on. 717 00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:15,200 Speaker 1: That's that is, it is inside of our control. But 718 00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:17,520 Speaker 1: the control is gonna be kind of it's gonna be 719 00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:20,879 Speaker 1: harder to wrangle the control than it would have been 720 00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:24,439 Speaker 1: thirty years ago. I mean, partly due to there are 721 00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:27,440 Speaker 1: vastly more people on the landscape today than there was 722 00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:29,080 Speaker 1: thirty years ago. It's kind of hard. It's kind of 723 00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:33,000 Speaker 1: like a slow burn. But I mean, think about anywhere, 724 00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:35,640 Speaker 1: think about where you're from, Dad, think about this little 725 00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:37,919 Speaker 1: community we live in here. I mean there's a Dollar 726 00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:39,720 Speaker 1: General there and there used to be a wood lot. 727 00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:43,319 Speaker 1: There's five different landowners where it used to be one 728 00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:46,640 Speaker 1: big farm. And those five different new pieces of property 729 00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:49,399 Speaker 1: all have new houses built on them. And they cut 730 00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:52,440 Speaker 1: their grass with lawnmower and they do this, and they 731 00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:56,000 Speaker 1: do that. UM, timber companies in National you know, the 732 00:41:56,040 --> 00:41:59,239 Speaker 1: timber harvest and National Forest here is different than it 733 00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:02,480 Speaker 1: used to be. UM. And then this is the main 734 00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:06,719 Speaker 1: takeaway that I would say to people, is that, and 735 00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:10,359 Speaker 1: Dr Dr Chamberlain said it. But predator communities are so 736 00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:13,239 Speaker 1: different than they used to be. And the rise of 737 00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:16,439 Speaker 1: the Messo predator, the Messo predator, which is a mid 738 00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:23,839 Speaker 1: sized predator, misty, skunks, possums, coons, foxes, kids of my existence, 739 00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:28,760 Speaker 1: the Messo predator. And and in the big the giant picture, 740 00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:31,479 Speaker 1: the reason there's so many Messo predators here is because 741 00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:35,200 Speaker 1: all most of the apex predators are gone. The black 742 00:42:35,239 --> 00:42:41,200 Speaker 1: panthers are gone, the wolves are gone. Now the bears 743 00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:43,480 Speaker 1: are back. And I know a barrel eat a turkey 744 00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:47,279 Speaker 1: nest around here. Um. But really it's like there's so 745 00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:50,839 Speaker 1: much space for predators inside of the ecosystem, and if 746 00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:54,080 Speaker 1: one of them leaves, other ones rise up and and 747 00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:57,719 Speaker 1: and man, I mean, which didn't have coyotes thirty years 748 00:42:57,760 --> 00:43:02,320 Speaker 1: ago like we have today? Um, and they're just wearing 749 00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:05,879 Speaker 1: the turkeys out and my chickens. Man, tell them about 750 00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:07,759 Speaker 1: your chickens. I mean, no, no no, it's it's kind of 751 00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:11,840 Speaker 1: an emotional topic. Fit's perfectly into me. Never trust in 752 00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:14,319 Speaker 1: the ground nesting bird, even a chicken. Tell him. I mean, 753 00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:18,120 Speaker 1: we lost nineteen in one one night this week? Or 754 00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:21,400 Speaker 1: did they just kill them? So there's there's two stories here, Josh. 755 00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:23,680 Speaker 1: We we lock up our coup like it has an 756 00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:27,919 Speaker 1: actual lock. And I had some young chickens in there 757 00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:30,920 Speaker 1: and it was icy, and it was icy for four days, 758 00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:33,120 Speaker 1: and I put some grain in there. I usually just 759 00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:36,080 Speaker 1: let them, you know, roam around. But because I knew 760 00:43:36,120 --> 00:43:38,879 Speaker 1: the predators were out, because whenever you get really low 761 00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:41,759 Speaker 1: temperatures like that nice for days, they come out. And 762 00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:44,200 Speaker 1: so I put the grain in the coop and then 763 00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:46,520 Speaker 1: I put a wood box in front of the door, 764 00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:49,440 Speaker 1: so that if we won't say who, but is he? 765 00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:52,799 Speaker 1: The mule decided she wanted that grain and went over 766 00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:55,800 Speaker 1: gonna unlock the chicken coop. Is he can unlock the 767 00:43:55,880 --> 00:43:58,879 Speaker 1: chicken coop with her nose, she can undo the lock. 768 00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:00,799 Speaker 1: So is he went in, That's what she did. She 769 00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:04,640 Speaker 1: unlocked the coup and then those predators came. And because 770 00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:07,839 Speaker 1: Izzy can't move the box, you know, like she just had, 771 00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:09,239 Speaker 1: they moved the box. I think it was one of 772 00:44:09,239 --> 00:44:13,719 Speaker 1: the predators moved a box. They lack opposable thumbs. I 773 00:44:13,719 --> 00:44:15,200 Speaker 1: don't think that. I don't think that. I think with 774 00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:18,279 Speaker 1: their body you can see it's scraped. My coup was 775 00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:23,800 Speaker 1: scraped around the edges. Point being something. We lost nineteen 776 00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:27,120 Speaker 1: chickens and one night most of their whole bodies were gone, 777 00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:31,120 Speaker 1: most of their whole I mean they were gone was feathers. Well, 778 00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:33,640 Speaker 1: so the only reason we know what it was I 779 00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:36,040 Speaker 1: was I was gone that at that time. Is My 780 00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:39,759 Speaker 1: neighbor has a cell camera kind of on the edge 781 00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:42,799 Speaker 1: of our property, on his property, and I told him, 782 00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:45,600 Speaker 1: I said, man, something's after my chickens. Well, the reason 783 00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:47,480 Speaker 1: he knew something was after my chickens because one night 784 00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:51,120 Speaker 1: I turned loose my dogs on it right after it happened, 785 00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:53,640 Speaker 1: like I went out that was that was actually a 786 00:44:53,640 --> 00:44:58,799 Speaker 1: different time. It was a multiple chicken kills. And one 787 00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:00,520 Speaker 1: night I went out there and it happened, and I 788 00:45:00,560 --> 00:45:03,640 Speaker 1: knew it happened since dark. And I turned Fern loose, 789 00:45:03,640 --> 00:45:06,919 Speaker 1: who is a top notch coon dog that won't bark 790 00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:10,080 Speaker 1: at anything but a coon. And I turned a loose 791 00:45:10,120 --> 00:45:12,360 Speaker 1: on a coyote, and turns out she'll bark on a 792 00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:15,640 Speaker 1: coyote if I encourage her too, And she and Tim 793 00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:18,319 Speaker 1: trailed that coyote and then made a big loop out 794 00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:20,239 Speaker 1: in front of the house circle rat Well already told 795 00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:24,680 Speaker 1: the story of this podcast. Text my neighbor and he says, 796 00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:27,719 Speaker 1: I'll you know, I'll be on the porch with a 797 00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:31,280 Speaker 1: and uh. Anyway, he got a picture of a code. 798 00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:33,520 Speaker 1: It was a long way to say that. Let me 799 00:45:33,560 --> 00:45:37,760 Speaker 1: also say this. I had I got fifteen more baby chickens, 800 00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:41,239 Speaker 1: and I was super proud of them because they made it. 801 00:45:41,480 --> 00:45:43,840 Speaker 1: You know, it was a rough winter and these chickens 802 00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:45,520 Speaker 1: made it a long time. And I was out there 803 00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:48,239 Speaker 1: looking at them one day and Clay and you guys 804 00:45:48,280 --> 00:45:52,759 Speaker 1: all went scrawn and Clay decided to take Tim with him, 805 00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:56,360 Speaker 1: and the day y'all left, I said, look, that's fifteen 806 00:45:56,520 --> 00:45:59,520 Speaker 1: eight week old chickens right there. That means none of them. 807 00:45:59,560 --> 00:46:04,880 Speaker 1: I ordered fifteen, I got fifteen. Yeah, fifteen were alive. 808 00:46:05,480 --> 00:46:09,239 Speaker 1: Not the coyotes, Josh. The hawks. Every day that Tim 809 00:46:09,320 --> 00:46:12,920 Speaker 1: was gone, every single day. I would go in at 810 00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:14,960 Speaker 1: night and I count them every day. I had one 811 00:46:15,040 --> 00:46:17,040 Speaker 1: lesson the day before and it stopped when he came back. 812 00:46:18,040 --> 00:46:20,799 Speaker 1: So I think that Tim keeps the hawks away. He does. 813 00:46:21,160 --> 00:46:24,080 Speaker 1: Tim will tree buzzards and hawks that land out in 814 00:46:24,120 --> 00:46:27,000 Speaker 1: the trees. He'll see him from in the house and 815 00:46:27,080 --> 00:46:30,200 Speaker 1: stand up on the window sill and we'll let him 816 00:46:30,200 --> 00:46:33,239 Speaker 1: out and he'll just take off running and he'll go 817 00:46:33,640 --> 00:46:35,759 Speaker 1: tree underneath that tree, and you know, the hawk, they'll 818 00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:37,920 Speaker 1: fly and he'll chase him off our property. He's kind 819 00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:39,400 Speaker 1: of like a cartoon, you know how they run in 820 00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:42,160 Speaker 1: place for a second. Are he gets so excited. He 821 00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:44,359 Speaker 1: just runs in place and just like screams. Yeah, it's 822 00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:47,120 Speaker 1: really fun on our heart. Well, what do you guys 823 00:46:47,120 --> 00:46:52,360 Speaker 1: think of the podcast? Awesome? Tell me give me your takeaways. 824 00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:56,880 Speaker 1: I loved it. It was killed my first turkey. That 825 00:46:56,920 --> 00:46:59,239 Speaker 1: would have been when you know, we all was talking 826 00:46:59,239 --> 00:47:01,759 Speaker 1: about when he arty. When it started going up. I 827 00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:05,920 Speaker 1: saw those video the late fees I paid to the 828 00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:09,399 Speaker 1: video store on his taste would fill up a car 829 00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:13,000 Speaker 1: with gas at today's prices premost in the Southern boys 830 00:47:13,160 --> 00:47:17,120 Speaker 1: or whatever. I saw him all and he uh they 831 00:47:17,160 --> 00:47:21,160 Speaker 1: sold his calls in a little uh store there, Savage 832 00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:24,719 Speaker 1: Carls one stop. Mr Cross Savage had had a bait 833 00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:27,160 Speaker 1: shop and sport and good store there and and Warren 834 00:47:28,040 --> 00:47:31,120 Speaker 1: and they his calls were in there when when they 835 00:47:31,120 --> 00:47:33,399 Speaker 1: were going out those tapes you know, we're in there, 836 00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:37,200 Speaker 1: the cassette tapes, and it was, you know, it was 837 00:47:37,239 --> 00:47:40,480 Speaker 1: a big deal to watch that. And I started turkey 838 00:47:40,520 --> 00:47:42,960 Speaker 1: hunting when turkey started, and he got better and better 839 00:47:43,040 --> 00:47:46,600 Speaker 1: every year. I saw what Dr Chamberlain was talking about 840 00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:49,920 Speaker 1: in the growth and the turkeys. I'm sure I'm sure 841 00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:54,399 Speaker 1: Gary did too. And it went when it started falling off, 842 00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:57,000 Speaker 1: it was, you know, it was pretty quick. And we 843 00:47:57,080 --> 00:47:59,439 Speaker 1: all said something about about the older he gets and 844 00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:03,719 Speaker 1: and sacrifice and backing up on killing turkeys. Now, so 845 00:48:04,280 --> 00:48:06,040 Speaker 1: kids in the future. Kid, I got a three year 846 00:48:06,080 --> 00:48:08,799 Speaker 1: old grandson, I would hate to him miss out on 847 00:48:08,840 --> 00:48:13,320 Speaker 1: what we all talked about and the recording that you played. 848 00:48:13,520 --> 00:48:15,759 Speaker 1: I would hate for him not to have the opportunity 849 00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:18,759 Speaker 1: to experience that and what you talked about David c 850 00:48:18,920 --> 00:48:22,520 Speaker 1: and then on y'all's trip. So man, if it's uh, 851 00:48:22,680 --> 00:48:25,040 Speaker 1: it's gonna hurt right now. To back up off of that, 852 00:48:25,080 --> 00:48:28,200 Speaker 1: but how how good is as we say that? As 853 00:48:28,320 --> 00:48:30,960 Speaker 1: and as I said that on the podcast about sacrifice, 854 00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:32,439 Speaker 1: and that's kind of kind of what I ended with. 855 00:48:32,920 --> 00:48:35,200 Speaker 1: You know, I wanted to functionalize that because I mean, like, 856 00:48:35,239 --> 00:48:38,000 Speaker 1: what does it mean for me to sacrifice for turkey hunting? 857 00:48:38,040 --> 00:48:41,520 Speaker 1: I mean, it's kind of a kind of a abstract 858 00:48:41,600 --> 00:48:45,880 Speaker 1: statement that sounds good to say, but I tried to say, 859 00:48:46,040 --> 00:48:49,480 Speaker 1: it's gonna mean something different for everybody. It may mean 860 00:48:50,520 --> 00:48:53,719 Speaker 1: burning and managing just a small acreage that you have. 861 00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:56,480 Speaker 1: And Dr Chamberlain I just wasn't able to include it 862 00:48:56,520 --> 00:48:59,200 Speaker 1: on the podcast because it just was it just didn't 863 00:48:59,239 --> 00:49:01,920 Speaker 1: fit right. He I asked him, I said, what do 864 00:49:01,960 --> 00:49:05,080 Speaker 1: we need to do? And you know, part of his 865 00:49:05,160 --> 00:49:08,239 Speaker 1: answer was just everybody needs to do what they can. 866 00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:11,880 Speaker 1: You know, if you have turkeys, make your habitat as 867 00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:13,680 Speaker 1: good as possible, even if it's just one or two 868 00:49:13,719 --> 00:49:16,040 Speaker 1: things that you do to your property that helps that 869 00:49:16,040 --> 00:49:18,800 Speaker 1: that's going to be meaningful. It could be as simple 870 00:49:18,880 --> 00:49:22,120 Speaker 1: as not shooting a jake turkey when you can when 871 00:49:22,120 --> 00:49:24,719 Speaker 1: it's legal, you know, may maybe you back it off 872 00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:27,479 Speaker 1: and and and there's there's lots of guys that won't 873 00:49:27,480 --> 00:49:30,279 Speaker 1: shoot Jake's, but there's lots of guys that will and uh, 874 00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:32,480 Speaker 1: and there's nothing wrong with it if it's legal. I mean, 875 00:49:32,719 --> 00:49:35,680 Speaker 1: but maybe that's a choice that we would make. And 876 00:49:35,760 --> 00:49:38,720 Speaker 1: then I've gotten to the age where I can see 877 00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:43,319 Speaker 1: that we're now talking to a generation of kids that 878 00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:46,440 Speaker 1: is one day going to be the leaders conservation leaders 879 00:49:46,440 --> 00:49:50,160 Speaker 1: and stuff. And you know, maybe there's maybe there's kids 880 00:49:50,160 --> 00:49:53,320 Speaker 1: that are listening or that are influenced by this time 881 00:49:53,360 --> 00:49:56,600 Speaker 1: period that will be leaders of conservation groups that have 882 00:49:56,719 --> 00:49:59,080 Speaker 1: to make wise decisions. But you know, so it's kind 883 00:49:59,120 --> 00:50:03,439 Speaker 1: of like what can you do and do it where 884 00:50:03,440 --> 00:50:06,200 Speaker 1: you can. And then there's there are people that that 885 00:50:06,760 --> 00:50:09,480 Speaker 1: have big, huge properties, you know, that could really make 886 00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:11,759 Speaker 1: a den and something the habitat. I think that's the 887 00:50:11,800 --> 00:50:15,160 Speaker 1: importance of taking kids out hunting, because you know, we've 888 00:50:15,200 --> 00:50:17,479 Speaker 1: got four kids and some of the one of those 889 00:50:17,480 --> 00:50:20,880 Speaker 1: girls that you took really loved hunting and one didn't. 890 00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:23,920 Speaker 1: So we've got pictures of Willow with with a turkey. 891 00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:25,279 Speaker 1: But I think that all of our kids have a 892 00:50:25,320 --> 00:50:28,359 Speaker 1: real appreciation for it. And when you think about like 893 00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:30,160 Speaker 1: I think about here and Gary say that Clay wasn't 894 00:50:30,200 --> 00:50:34,399 Speaker 1: really into turkey hunting, which is, well, it's a lie now. 895 00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:36,840 Speaker 1: But I think that sometimes we gauge what we do 896 00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:39,080 Speaker 1: with our kids based off of what they're what they 897 00:50:39,080 --> 00:50:41,839 Speaker 1: show emotional interest in, you know, and it's like, oh, well, 898 00:50:41,880 --> 00:50:44,440 Speaker 1: they like this or they don't like this. I was 899 00:50:44,440 --> 00:50:46,760 Speaker 1: gonna say kids like go karting, but maybe they don't anymore. 900 00:50:46,840 --> 00:50:52,800 Speaker 1: Maybe that's like maybe I'm majoring myself. They like playing 901 00:50:52,880 --> 00:50:54,720 Speaker 1: video games or whatever, and so those are like easy, 902 00:50:54,760 --> 00:50:57,040 Speaker 1: so we we put the video game in their hand 903 00:50:57,160 --> 00:50:59,799 Speaker 1: because that's the thing they like. But sometimes you gotta 904 00:50:59,800 --> 00:51:02,200 Speaker 1: get your kids involved in things they don't necessarily just 905 00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:05,120 Speaker 1: just love. Because I think about the experiences that Clay 906 00:51:05,200 --> 00:51:07,719 Speaker 1: had kind of caught up with him later on, Like 907 00:51:07,800 --> 00:51:09,880 Speaker 1: he was exposed to turkey hunt and he was exposed 908 00:51:09,880 --> 00:51:11,920 Speaker 1: to all these things. They might not have been super 909 00:51:11,960 --> 00:51:15,200 Speaker 1: fun for Clay at the time or emostly rewarding, but 910 00:51:15,640 --> 00:51:20,040 Speaker 1: Clay baby is an adult. Is remember Dad telling us 911 00:51:20,040 --> 00:51:21,840 Speaker 1: that if you dropped the chain in the back of 912 00:51:21,880 --> 00:51:24,560 Speaker 1: your truck, you can get on the shot gobble. Yeah, 913 00:51:24,600 --> 00:51:27,040 Speaker 1: I still believe that. Hey, hey, let me just tell 914 00:51:27,120 --> 00:51:29,600 Speaker 1: the group how Clay got started turkey And I mean 915 00:51:29,600 --> 00:51:32,640 Speaker 1: he was a basketball player. He was, you know, just 916 00:51:32,680 --> 00:51:35,839 Speaker 1: a normal kid running around coon hunt and I'm going, 917 00:51:35,960 --> 00:51:41,480 Speaker 1: what coon hunting? And uh uh you know, uh, he 918 00:51:41,640 --> 00:51:45,120 Speaker 1: just had so many hobbies and so many activities and 919 00:51:45,239 --> 00:51:47,640 Speaker 1: I'm out turkey hunting. Of course he was here in 920 00:51:47,680 --> 00:51:51,560 Speaker 1: these stories, you know, but he would never act like 921 00:51:51,640 --> 00:51:55,359 Speaker 1: he was too interested. It's just being a cool guy. 922 00:51:56,120 --> 00:51:59,840 Speaker 1: And so he was really one of the better basketball 923 00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:02,200 Speaker 1: there's and mina. But when he got in high school, 924 00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:06,480 Speaker 1: one of Zach Knucolm's very best friends just whipped Clay's 925 00:52:06,520 --> 00:52:10,600 Speaker 1: fanny every day. And even my buddies would say, Clay 926 00:52:10,680 --> 00:52:13,600 Speaker 1: Nuclem is gonna be the best point guard come through 927 00:52:13,680 --> 00:52:16,600 Speaker 1: me in a long time. Well, Clay kind of believed that. 928 00:52:17,000 --> 00:52:19,840 Speaker 1: He got in high school and the fastest guy I 929 00:52:19,840 --> 00:52:23,319 Speaker 1: believe I've ever seen would just pick his pocket intentionally 930 00:52:23,320 --> 00:52:25,520 Speaker 1: because I think he heard all this stuff here. You know, 931 00:52:25,560 --> 00:52:27,680 Speaker 1: Clay Nuclem is gonna come in. You're gonna take over 932 00:52:27,719 --> 00:52:30,160 Speaker 1: this thing, man, This guy whooped him every day. Clay 933 00:52:30,200 --> 00:52:31,840 Speaker 1: came home one day and he goes dead. I know, 934 00:52:31,920 --> 00:52:34,399 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna play college ball, but I'm gonna stay 935 00:52:34,400 --> 00:52:37,239 Speaker 1: with the team, and I'm gonna go to practices and 936 00:52:37,239 --> 00:52:39,799 Speaker 1: I'm gonna just monkey around. But I want to be 937 00:52:39,840 --> 00:52:42,840 Speaker 1: the best hunter in Pope County. And I said, if not, 938 00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:45,360 Speaker 1: right then, I said it within a few days, you 939 00:52:45,440 --> 00:52:48,359 Speaker 1: gotta learn how to turkey hunt. And so we went 940 00:52:48,400 --> 00:52:51,520 Speaker 1: out and it was just blind. Look. Of course I 941 00:52:51,560 --> 00:52:54,440 Speaker 1: really knew there's turkeys in there. But the first place 942 00:52:54,520 --> 00:52:57,480 Speaker 1: we stopped and you probably remember where it was, and 943 00:52:57,520 --> 00:53:00,000 Speaker 1: we got out. You remember if we called or who 944 00:53:00,600 --> 00:53:02,920 Speaker 1: we just out at him, I think, okay, and all 945 00:53:02,960 --> 00:53:06,160 Speaker 1: of a sudden, just you know, to two gopers right there, 946 00:53:06,719 --> 00:53:09,440 Speaker 1: and I mean, he was hooked and with it. About 947 00:53:09,680 --> 00:53:12,080 Speaker 1: two weeks, I felt like he was a better hunter 948 00:53:12,120 --> 00:53:13,759 Speaker 1: than I will. I mean, you know, I mean he 949 00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:17,560 Speaker 1: could call, he had a good ear fort, but uh 950 00:53:17,719 --> 00:53:20,160 Speaker 1: showed no interest in turkey hunting. I mean, he was 951 00:53:20,200 --> 00:53:23,479 Speaker 1: interested in basketball, being a cool guy at school, having 952 00:53:23,520 --> 00:53:27,839 Speaker 1: a nice truck, all this stuff, you know, telling me 953 00:53:27,880 --> 00:53:30,640 Speaker 1: that his truck had a hole in our that his 954 00:53:30,760 --> 00:53:34,200 Speaker 1: truck leaked, water would come in the bottom of this truck. 955 00:53:34,520 --> 00:53:38,080 Speaker 1: And then one day I find this disclosed picture. I'm 956 00:53:38,120 --> 00:53:40,959 Speaker 1: going through some stuff and he's going through a mud hole. 957 00:53:41,360 --> 00:53:44,640 Speaker 1: You can't even see the truck, just maybe a one greet. 958 00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:49,440 Speaker 1: It did have a holding floor in there. But anyway, 959 00:53:49,560 --> 00:53:52,960 Speaker 1: that that's how I was sixteen when I killed my 960 00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:56,920 Speaker 1: first turkey, and so we started turkey hunting probably the 961 00:53:57,000 --> 00:53:59,440 Speaker 1: year before. I mean, now, I had been with you 962 00:53:59,480 --> 00:54:01,720 Speaker 1: when I was a kid. I mean I vividly remember 963 00:54:01,800 --> 00:54:05,160 Speaker 1: going with you, but I wouldn't have taken it serious 964 00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:08,080 Speaker 1: until But that's also about the time that we started 965 00:54:08,560 --> 00:54:11,560 Speaker 1: really feeling like we had a lot of turkeys, you know, 966 00:54:11,640 --> 00:54:15,839 Speaker 1: mid nineties, and then uh yeah, and then I'd ended 967 00:54:15,880 --> 00:54:18,120 Speaker 1: up killing one of sixteen, and we had a we 968 00:54:18,160 --> 00:54:20,960 Speaker 1: had a little pocket of turkeys that they were just 969 00:54:21,000 --> 00:54:24,400 Speaker 1: as thick as thieves man, and real good turkey hunters 970 00:54:24,440 --> 00:54:26,600 Speaker 1: would be you know, a mile or two away, or 971 00:54:26,600 --> 00:54:29,120 Speaker 1: even one guy was three four yards down the road, 972 00:54:29,520 --> 00:54:31,480 Speaker 1: and I mean they're having a tough time killing them, 973 00:54:31,840 --> 00:54:34,560 Speaker 1: and we'd go in here. I mean it was just 974 00:54:34,640 --> 00:54:38,759 Speaker 1: like walking in a turkey zoo. You know, it's hard 975 00:54:38,800 --> 00:54:41,759 Speaker 1: to keep a kid interested in something, too, because I mean, 976 00:54:41,760 --> 00:54:43,760 Speaker 1: how many times you've been turkey hunting that you hadn't 977 00:54:44,080 --> 00:54:48,279 Speaker 1: seen a turkey bunch, and it's hard. It's hard to 978 00:54:48,320 --> 00:54:52,040 Speaker 1: introduce somebody to that, especially at a young age that 979 00:54:52,640 --> 00:54:54,839 Speaker 1: there's not a lot of action. You know, it's not 980 00:54:55,000 --> 00:54:59,799 Speaker 1: it's not happening every time you go out, and so 981 00:54:59,840 --> 00:55:02,080 Speaker 1: it's it's a challenge. Dad. What stood out to you 982 00:55:02,160 --> 00:55:04,719 Speaker 1: about the podcast? You learn anything? He probably wouldn't have 983 00:55:04,719 --> 00:55:06,960 Speaker 1: been up too much on turkey biology. Yeah, you know, 984 00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:10,680 Speaker 1: I thought about that on the way up here. Uh, 985 00:55:10,719 --> 00:55:14,960 Speaker 1: there's not really one thing. I enjoyed every bit of 986 00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:18,839 Speaker 1: it because I could relate to everything he said. Now 987 00:55:18,880 --> 00:55:23,480 Speaker 1: I learned quite a bit, especially from Dr Chamberlain, you 988 00:55:23,520 --> 00:55:27,279 Speaker 1: know when he started going through those five things. Uh, 989 00:55:27,320 --> 00:55:32,400 Speaker 1: but uh, you know, primost was a big deal. But 990 00:55:32,480 --> 00:55:35,520 Speaker 1: I go back he's talking eighty three. I go back 991 00:55:36,560 --> 00:55:40,600 Speaker 1: to seventy six, seventy seven, and I was getting a 992 00:55:40,600 --> 00:55:44,080 Speaker 1: little customed tapes from guys around Polk County that were 993 00:55:44,080 --> 00:55:48,240 Speaker 1: good hunters and they pass them out and you probably 994 00:55:48,239 --> 00:55:53,319 Speaker 1: remember me going around the house all time calling and uh, 995 00:55:53,600 --> 00:55:55,840 Speaker 1: you know, I was one of those guys, kind of stupid, 996 00:55:55,880 --> 00:55:58,160 Speaker 1: but I didn't want someone to take me out and 997 00:55:58,200 --> 00:55:59,959 Speaker 1: show him we how to turkey out. I just want 998 00:56:00,120 --> 00:56:02,200 Speaker 1: learning on my own. And I went a long time 999 00:56:03,040 --> 00:56:05,399 Speaker 1: and I'd get him in close, and you know why, 1000 00:56:05,480 --> 00:56:08,160 Speaker 1: no one day I was bored and I tore my mouth, 1001 00:56:08,239 --> 00:56:11,200 Speaker 1: call up, had to me reads and I would just 1002 00:56:11,200 --> 00:56:14,759 Speaker 1: just going, just making noises. You know, It's ten eleven 1003 00:56:14,760 --> 00:56:17,480 Speaker 1: o'clock in the morning. Hunt was over, I thought, And 1004 00:56:17,520 --> 00:56:22,920 Speaker 1: they got the goblin at that so uh but but uh, 1005 00:56:23,040 --> 00:56:27,560 Speaker 1: I tell you, Will is such a tremendous individual. I 1006 00:56:27,600 --> 00:56:29,839 Speaker 1: mean I didn't realize that at the time. You had 1007 00:56:29,880 --> 00:56:32,319 Speaker 1: all these little I don't want to say heroes, but 1008 00:56:32,840 --> 00:56:36,200 Speaker 1: they were the leaders of the sport ben Lee and 1009 00:56:36,360 --> 00:56:38,720 Speaker 1: you know, you just go on and own and uh 1010 00:56:38,840 --> 00:56:43,560 Speaker 1: not in hell. Uh but he is such a quality guy. 1011 00:56:43,640 --> 00:56:46,720 Speaker 1: There's so much to learn from him. It's just incredible. 1012 00:56:47,480 --> 00:56:52,680 Speaker 1: You know, you just take what was his three passion, focus, discipline. 1013 00:56:52,800 --> 00:56:55,879 Speaker 1: I mean he runs his whole life on that. I mean, 1014 00:56:55,920 --> 00:57:00,000 Speaker 1: if someone just listened to that podcast and had any 1015 00:57:00,120 --> 00:57:06,719 Speaker 1: desire to be successful at life, that's I mean, he 1016 00:57:06,800 --> 00:57:10,120 Speaker 1: hit on everything. And you know he makes it sound 1017 00:57:10,200 --> 00:57:12,360 Speaker 1: like well, he didn't necessarily make it sound like a blood. 1018 00:57:12,400 --> 00:57:15,160 Speaker 1: These guys just you know, I got lucky. If you know, 1019 00:57:15,160 --> 00:57:17,240 Speaker 1: the time was right, there were a lot of birds, 1020 00:57:17,400 --> 00:57:19,840 Speaker 1: but he might wanted me to make a call. Well, 1021 00:57:20,320 --> 00:57:25,360 Speaker 1: guess what. He was passionate, he was focused, he was disciplined. 1022 00:57:25,880 --> 00:57:29,800 Speaker 1: You know, he was gonna be successful picking up trash. 1023 00:57:29,960 --> 00:57:33,200 Speaker 1: It doesn't matter what he did. He and you could 1024 00:57:33,240 --> 00:57:37,920 Speaker 1: tell that. Probably his family had five restaurants, you know. 1025 00:57:37,920 --> 00:57:40,880 Speaker 1: I mean they're they're they're smart people, they're disciplined, they're focused. 1026 00:57:40,920 --> 00:57:43,880 Speaker 1: He could see it. He had a he had mentors 1027 00:57:43,960 --> 00:57:46,320 Speaker 1: in his family. I mean, they didn't wake up and 1028 00:57:46,360 --> 00:57:50,480 Speaker 1: try to be successful. That was in their DNA, in passion. 1029 00:57:50,720 --> 00:57:53,400 Speaker 1: You know. That's one reason I think these podcasts are 1030 00:57:53,440 --> 00:57:55,800 Speaker 1: pretty successful is I mean there's a lot of passion 1031 00:57:55,840 --> 00:57:59,280 Speaker 1: that goes into him. So I have really enjoyed that 1032 00:57:59,320 --> 00:58:02,000 Speaker 1: about Will, finding that what a quality guy he is. 1033 00:58:03,200 --> 00:58:07,960 Speaker 1: And then Chamberlain, I mean, twenty five years of research 1034 00:58:08,040 --> 00:58:12,160 Speaker 1: on Turkey's Holy Cow, and when I drove up here, 1035 00:58:12,200 --> 00:58:15,720 Speaker 1: I saw this hardwood forest and I thought this kind 1036 00:58:15,760 --> 00:58:19,880 Speaker 1: of just shoots a hole not really follow me through on. 1037 00:58:20,200 --> 00:58:24,320 Speaker 1: I mean, we got all this hardwood. I mean forty 1038 00:58:24,320 --> 00:58:27,720 Speaker 1: miles of hardwood. Okay, so rule that out. It's not 1039 00:58:27,840 --> 00:58:33,480 Speaker 1: hardwood here. Huh? Are you saying it's not hardwood. I mean, 1040 00:58:33,640 --> 00:58:36,600 Speaker 1: I mean, you know he's saying the hardwood's gone. Well, 1041 00:58:36,640 --> 00:58:40,760 Speaker 1: I'm driving and I'm looking around going what you know, 1042 00:58:40,840 --> 00:58:45,040 Speaker 1: there's hardwood everywhere. So so it's you know, here in 1043 00:58:45,160 --> 00:58:49,960 Speaker 1: this area, it's gotta be predators, it's got to be disease, 1044 00:58:50,080 --> 00:58:54,280 Speaker 1: it's gotta be weather. And so like where we are, 1045 00:58:54,600 --> 00:58:56,919 Speaker 1: we got a lot of clear cuts. You know they've 1046 00:58:56,960 --> 00:59:00,440 Speaker 1: taken they've taken Yeah, they've taken it away from us. 1047 00:59:00,520 --> 00:59:03,800 Speaker 1: But it looks to me like up here, it doesn't 1048 00:59:03,840 --> 00:59:06,480 Speaker 1: make any sense at all. Why this in incredible Turkey 1049 00:59:06,480 --> 00:59:12,280 Speaker 1: woods And it's well, it's it's a combination of a 1050 00:59:12,280 --> 00:59:14,920 Speaker 1: bunch of stuff. I could I could nerd out on it, 1051 00:59:15,040 --> 00:59:17,480 Speaker 1: but that you're right. What you said is right. And 1052 00:59:17,520 --> 00:59:20,280 Speaker 1: what what Dr Chamberlain said in a part that I 1053 00:59:20,280 --> 00:59:28,440 Speaker 1: couldn't include, was that every almost like micro region is different. 1054 00:59:28,800 --> 00:59:32,320 Speaker 1: So the difference between here and eighty miles away where 1055 00:59:32,360 --> 00:59:36,120 Speaker 1: you live dat it's really could be vastly different, even 1056 00:59:36,120 --> 00:59:38,400 Speaker 1: though you the average person would drive between here and 1057 00:59:38,480 --> 00:59:40,800 Speaker 1: there and think it's the same kind of country, but 1058 00:59:40,840 --> 00:59:43,800 Speaker 1: it's but it's actually fairly different. So it's man, these 1059 00:59:43,920 --> 00:59:46,520 Speaker 1: dang ground nesting birds. I'm telling you, if turkeys would 1060 00:59:46,560 --> 00:59:49,760 Speaker 1: just build a nest like a normal bird in a tree, 1061 00:59:50,280 --> 00:59:53,320 Speaker 1: we wouldn't have all these problems. Do you remember when 1062 00:59:53,320 --> 00:59:58,680 Speaker 1: we went to uh too Falsome m hmm. We got 1063 00:59:58,680 --> 01:00:02,000 Speaker 1: into Falsome It like t o'clock at night when we 1064 01:00:02,040 --> 01:00:05,720 Speaker 1: went to to do the podcast next morning, we we 1065 01:00:05,760 --> 01:00:09,320 Speaker 1: stayed in this little airbnb that that uh, that Matt's 1066 01:00:09,600 --> 01:00:12,240 Speaker 1: mother has. When we got up the next morning, we're 1067 01:00:12,280 --> 01:00:14,360 Speaker 1: driving along and all of a sudden we looked through 1068 01:00:14,400 --> 01:00:16,479 Speaker 1: town and this mind mind you, this is a town 1069 01:00:16,480 --> 01:00:20,840 Speaker 1: of fifty people. The the entire town is covered in 1070 01:00:20,960 --> 01:00:25,160 Speaker 1: wild turkeys. I bet we saw at least a hundred. Yeah. Yeah, 1071 01:00:25,160 --> 01:00:29,560 Speaker 1: there's some big, big flocks, man. And that's what's that 1072 01:00:29,760 --> 01:00:33,160 Speaker 1: Also is an interesting component of talking about turkeys in 1073 01:00:33,280 --> 01:00:37,280 Speaker 1: decline because out west, all people see as turkeys increasing. 1074 01:00:37,440 --> 01:00:40,280 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, And so I mean that's a good thing. 1075 01:00:40,440 --> 01:00:43,480 Speaker 1: But they're in places that they've never been before. So 1076 01:00:43,560 --> 01:00:46,960 Speaker 1: the same thing that happened here is kind of and 1077 01:00:47,000 --> 01:00:49,520 Speaker 1: now we've we always had turkeys in the East, but 1078 01:00:49,960 --> 01:00:53,080 Speaker 1: the reintroductions of the sixties, seventies, eighties, and nineties kind 1079 01:00:53,080 --> 01:00:56,760 Speaker 1: of put them into these landscapes that essentially had a 1080 01:00:56,880 --> 01:01:01,760 Speaker 1: vacant vacant spot for turkeys and and so out west. 1081 01:01:01,960 --> 01:01:05,120 Speaker 1: They've introduced them in like the predators haven't caught up 1082 01:01:05,160 --> 01:01:08,080 Speaker 1: to them yet. The habitat is still really good and 1083 01:01:08,120 --> 01:01:10,800 Speaker 1: maybe they'll thrive out there for the next three thousand years. 1084 01:01:10,840 --> 01:01:12,720 Speaker 1: Who knows. But well, I just want to say one 1085 01:01:12,760 --> 01:01:17,720 Speaker 1: thing about having people change their desires and interest in all. 1086 01:01:17,840 --> 01:01:20,680 Speaker 1: I think it's got to be regulated myself. I mean, 1087 01:01:20,720 --> 01:01:25,040 Speaker 1: I just don't think your average person. I mean, you 1088 01:01:25,160 --> 01:01:29,960 Speaker 1: gotta you've got a different Yeah, I mean, you know, heck, 1089 01:01:30,040 --> 01:01:33,240 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna do anything different. I mean because I'm 1090 01:01:33,280 --> 01:01:35,320 Speaker 1: not hunting them right now. But I mean, if I'm 1091 01:01:35,360 --> 01:01:37,760 Speaker 1: a kid, I could care less. What do you think. 1092 01:01:38,200 --> 01:01:40,600 Speaker 1: I mean, it might have some impact, but not even 1093 01:01:40,800 --> 01:01:43,320 Speaker 1: of those kids could care less. If they can kill 1094 01:01:43,360 --> 01:01:45,560 Speaker 1: a bird and go to school and tell their buddies, 1095 01:01:45,600 --> 01:01:48,880 Speaker 1: that's all they care. So you know, you gotta cut 1096 01:01:48,920 --> 01:01:51,400 Speaker 1: it back to one bird. You gotta cut seasons down. 1097 01:01:51,440 --> 01:01:53,640 Speaker 1: I mean I would think, I mean, there's something well 1098 01:01:53,720 --> 01:01:56,400 Speaker 1: and and that and that's happening and in part of 1099 01:01:56,440 --> 01:02:00,240 Speaker 1: what we I can't remember this In this Podcas asked 1100 01:02:00,320 --> 01:02:02,640 Speaker 1: the one y'all hadn't heard yet, but I talked about 1101 01:02:02,640 --> 01:02:05,160 Speaker 1: how we've got to give room for state agencies to 1102 01:02:05,280 --> 01:02:08,120 Speaker 1: do what they need to do because people love to 1103 01:02:08,760 --> 01:02:12,400 Speaker 1: dog on state game agencies and blame everything on them, 1104 01:02:12,440 --> 01:02:16,320 Speaker 1: and man, it's just nine of what goes on in 1105 01:02:16,320 --> 01:02:19,560 Speaker 1: state agencies I believe is from a good heart. I mean, 1106 01:02:19,640 --> 01:02:23,320 Speaker 1: but way way more than that. But but the point 1107 01:02:23,480 --> 01:02:26,280 Speaker 1: is is that if we all kind of were on 1108 01:02:26,320 --> 01:02:28,120 Speaker 1: the same team and we cut it back to one, 1109 01:02:28,200 --> 01:02:30,000 Speaker 1: would just be like, great, we can just kill one 1110 01:02:30,000 --> 01:02:32,680 Speaker 1: turkey in Arkansas this year. Fact that's great, and not 1111 01:02:32,880 --> 01:02:34,520 Speaker 1: throw a fit about it. You know what I mean. 1112 01:02:35,120 --> 01:02:39,400 Speaker 1: In education so important and what you're doing here, it 1113 01:02:39,520 --> 01:02:42,560 Speaker 1: is part of that. But uh, you know, they could 1114 01:02:42,560 --> 01:02:45,680 Speaker 1: expand their budget, go to schools and you know, if 1115 01:02:45,680 --> 01:02:48,480 Speaker 1: you're interested in the game fish, you know, talking about turkey, 1116 01:02:48,480 --> 01:02:50,920 Speaker 1: and come in and you know, explain what's going on. 1117 01:02:50,920 --> 01:02:55,800 Speaker 1: I mean, education is so much, so important, and uh, 1118 01:02:55,880 --> 01:02:59,080 Speaker 1: you know kids would listen to that. I think, Yeah, well, 1119 01:02:59,200 --> 01:03:02,040 Speaker 1: there's also a lot of people that are I think 1120 01:03:02,160 --> 01:03:05,840 Speaker 1: in this modern era of wildlife management and what's even 1121 01:03:05,880 --> 01:03:08,480 Speaker 1: happening inside outdoor media, Like back in the nineties, we 1122 01:03:08,480 --> 01:03:11,440 Speaker 1: were watching Will Primos and the Juries and Night in 1123 01:03:11,480 --> 01:03:15,000 Speaker 1: Hell and all these guys you know, kill twenty turkeys 1124 01:03:15,000 --> 01:03:18,560 Speaker 1: and twenty minutes you know on a VHS tape. Anymore, 1125 01:03:18,920 --> 01:03:21,200 Speaker 1: if you watch a lot of the media, it's a 1126 01:03:21,200 --> 01:03:24,960 Speaker 1: lot more education focused, conservation focus, and it's still entertaining. 1127 01:03:25,000 --> 01:03:26,720 Speaker 1: It's got to be and you know, we'd like seeing 1128 01:03:26,760 --> 01:03:31,280 Speaker 1: turkeys get killed. Um, but there there are people that 1129 01:03:31,320 --> 01:03:34,200 Speaker 1: are like, yeah, to be a sportsman is to be 1130 01:03:35,120 --> 01:03:38,160 Speaker 1: a conservationist and a biologist and understand what's going on. 1131 01:03:38,480 --> 01:03:43,040 Speaker 1: And the landscape is shifting where people want to be like, 1132 01:03:43,120 --> 01:03:45,560 Speaker 1: it's it's cool to be in the know. It's cool 1133 01:03:45,600 --> 01:03:47,520 Speaker 1: to know what's going on. It's cool to see the 1134 01:03:47,560 --> 01:03:49,640 Speaker 1: macro picture. I think that's a good thing and I 1135 01:03:49,680 --> 01:03:52,600 Speaker 1: think that's happening. And so there are their private land 1136 01:03:52,600 --> 01:03:54,479 Speaker 1: on well. And what's interesting too when you talk about 1137 01:03:54,520 --> 01:03:58,040 Speaker 1: what you can do which can't be regulated, is private 1138 01:03:58,120 --> 01:04:01,640 Speaker 1: land stuff. I think indy percent the state of Arkansas 1139 01:04:01,800 --> 01:04:05,520 Speaker 1: is um it's private land, and that's that's fairly good. 1140 01:04:05,840 --> 01:04:08,000 Speaker 1: I think less than one percent of the state of 1141 01:04:08,040 --> 01:04:13,000 Speaker 1: Texas is is uh public land. I mean, there's having 1142 01:04:13,040 --> 01:04:15,680 Speaker 1: ten percent of your state being public lands. It's decent. 1143 01:04:15,760 --> 01:04:18,160 Speaker 1: Some of the Western states are a lot more. Point being, 1144 01:04:18,520 --> 01:04:22,000 Speaker 1: most turkeys in Arkansas live on private land, and if 1145 01:04:22,760 --> 01:04:25,240 Speaker 1: if you can do things for them, you know, selective 1146 01:04:25,280 --> 01:04:29,439 Speaker 1: timber cut burns um the way you manage your grasslands. 1147 01:04:30,400 --> 01:04:34,040 Speaker 1: Burns help the turkey population, oh Man. Burns are like 1148 01:04:34,960 --> 01:04:38,560 Speaker 1: almost a miracle cure for a whole lot of stuff. 1149 01:04:38,640 --> 01:04:41,960 Speaker 1: Kills a lot of the saplings and invasive plants that 1150 01:04:42,040 --> 01:04:44,680 Speaker 1: want to grow up and crowd out sunlight for hitting 1151 01:04:44,720 --> 01:04:49,000 Speaker 1: forest floor. It regenerates um a lot of different plants 1152 01:04:49,040 --> 01:04:52,120 Speaker 1: that are that are that are fire induced for them 1153 01:04:52,120 --> 01:04:56,240 Speaker 1: to germinate. It also fertilizes soil with different things that 1154 01:04:56,280 --> 01:04:59,439 Speaker 1: happen when it burns. Turkeys love burn. We'll see all 1155 01:04:59,480 --> 01:05:02,680 Speaker 1: of guys that I hung around at turkey hunting, I 1156 01:05:02,680 --> 01:05:04,920 Speaker 1: mean we go, why are they burning right now? I 1157 01:05:04,920 --> 01:05:08,160 Speaker 1: mean they're nesting, And I mean see, they could educate us. 1158 01:05:08,240 --> 01:05:10,880 Speaker 1: They could put a little clip in the you know, 1159 01:05:10,920 --> 01:05:13,640 Speaker 1: in a little folder. We get the first you know, 1160 01:05:13,680 --> 01:05:16,520 Speaker 1: the hunting deal and and go look, hey, hey boys, 1161 01:05:16,600 --> 01:05:19,560 Speaker 1: we're burning for these five reasons. Man. The burning is 1162 01:05:19,600 --> 01:05:22,080 Speaker 1: so interesting because growing up in an area with a 1163 01:05:22,120 --> 01:05:25,520 Speaker 1: lot of national forest. Every year just before turkey season, 1164 01:05:26,080 --> 01:05:28,720 Speaker 1: they'd burn the woods and you know, smoke would come 1165 01:05:28,720 --> 01:05:31,360 Speaker 1: into town, and it was just kind of common knowledge 1166 01:05:31,400 --> 01:05:33,040 Speaker 1: that turkey hunters will be like, that's what we don't have, 1167 01:05:33,040 --> 01:05:35,480 Speaker 1: mean turkeys. They're burning the woods now, burning up all 1168 01:05:35,520 --> 01:05:39,400 Speaker 1: the turkey eggs, and that sounds really reasonable and it 1169 01:05:39,520 --> 01:05:44,200 Speaker 1: is absolutely false. But see, why don't they tell us? 1170 01:05:45,240 --> 01:05:47,880 Speaker 1: And they probably do and we just don't. That's it, 1171 01:05:47,880 --> 01:05:51,840 Speaker 1: It's just like they the mechan is just not a 1172 01:05:51,960 --> 01:05:54,120 Speaker 1: perfect world. I mean, in a perfect world, we would 1173 01:05:54,160 --> 01:05:57,640 Speaker 1: have access to every single hunter and they would actually 1174 01:05:57,680 --> 01:06:01,200 Speaker 1: listen to us without a lot of the burden falls 1175 01:06:01,240 --> 01:06:06,560 Speaker 1: on us. To educate yourself, Yeah, waiting on somebody to 1176 01:06:06,600 --> 01:06:09,160 Speaker 1: tell you about it. You gotta get out there and 1177 01:06:09,520 --> 01:06:12,720 Speaker 1: find the answer. Because I was the same way you are, Gary, 1178 01:06:12,880 --> 01:06:15,560 Speaker 1: Why is this going on? Now? Why is this happening? 1179 01:06:15,840 --> 01:06:18,480 Speaker 1: And then when I found out when somebody actually told me, 1180 01:06:18,520 --> 01:06:21,560 Speaker 1: I thought, you know, it's it makes sense. Yeah, and 1181 01:06:21,920 --> 01:06:24,000 Speaker 1: a biologists could talk to you about the burns and 1182 01:06:24,040 --> 01:06:28,400 Speaker 1: the timing of them, but oh man, the burns dramatically 1183 01:06:28,640 --> 01:06:31,680 Speaker 1: increased pult revival. It's the best thing you could possibly 1184 01:06:31,720 --> 01:06:35,240 Speaker 1: do at that time. And yeah, there's a minuscule amount 1185 01:06:35,280 --> 01:06:39,000 Speaker 1: of nests that might get burned, but it's so miniscule 1186 01:06:39,040 --> 01:06:43,640 Speaker 1: it doesn't even matter. I mean, it's just insignia, statistically insignificant. 1187 01:06:44,160 --> 01:06:47,200 Speaker 1: And but the positives of a burn are just through 1188 01:06:47,200 --> 01:06:51,840 Speaker 1: the roof helping these birds as really you know, I yeah, 1189 01:06:51,960 --> 01:06:56,320 Speaker 1: bear grease, render educating America. That's the new tagline. There 1190 01:06:56,360 --> 01:07:00,760 Speaker 1: you go, Mr hucom any thoughts, just quick thought, how 1191 01:07:00,760 --> 01:07:02,840 Speaker 1: do we do? I thought you did pretty good. I 1192 01:07:02,880 --> 01:07:06,680 Speaker 1: felt like the Turkey podcast was lacking one specific story 1193 01:07:07,880 --> 01:07:10,560 Speaker 1: that I think is the greatest turkey story of all time. 1194 01:07:11,320 --> 01:07:15,520 Speaker 1: Just to be real, honest, that turkey story isn't a 1195 01:07:16,200 --> 01:07:19,280 Speaker 1: it's more of a visual story. That's spring turkey story. 1196 01:07:19,680 --> 01:07:22,520 Speaker 1: That's a spring turkey story. It's not a spring turkey story. Well, 1197 01:07:22,520 --> 01:07:24,920 Speaker 1: it's one of the greatest turkey turkey out and stories 1198 01:07:24,960 --> 01:07:28,400 Speaker 1: of all time. It is about of the reason I 1199 01:07:28,520 --> 01:07:34,920 Speaker 1: married you is Hey, I want to tell you guys something. 1200 01:07:35,240 --> 01:07:41,200 Speaker 1: The next I'll give you I want foreshadow, I will shadow. 1201 01:07:41,400 --> 01:07:44,160 Speaker 1: He didn't tell the story. No, No, The next bargrease 1202 01:07:44,240 --> 01:07:48,240 Speaker 1: after this one is full. It's a it's a it's 1203 01:07:48,280 --> 01:07:53,640 Speaker 1: a storytelling podcast. Eight storytellers, one after another. Bam, bam, 1204 01:07:53,680 --> 01:07:58,280 Speaker 1: bam bam. Big names in the outdoor industry, big names 1205 01:07:58,480 --> 01:08:02,880 Speaker 1: in the Clay Nukem back Woodsmen Real Deal book too. Yeah. 1206 01:08:03,080 --> 01:08:06,200 Speaker 1: Is it gonna be incredible? Yeah? Next podcast all about Turkey? 1207 01:08:06,280 --> 01:08:09,080 Speaker 1: Is this story on that? Okay, I'll tell the story. 1208 01:08:09,160 --> 01:08:11,200 Speaker 1: It's a good one. We'll end with this one, okay. Yeah. 1209 01:08:11,200 --> 01:08:14,040 Speaker 1: So let me just say this. I I don't know 1210 01:08:14,080 --> 01:08:16,120 Speaker 1: if everyone knows this. The night before I met Clay, 1211 01:08:16,320 --> 01:08:18,360 Speaker 1: this is a true story. I don't know why we 1212 01:08:18,360 --> 01:08:20,280 Speaker 1: were even having the conversation. I was too young to 1213 01:08:20,320 --> 01:08:23,439 Speaker 1: be talking about getting married or anything. And I said 1214 01:08:23,760 --> 01:08:28,839 Speaker 1: the one, the one like absolutely no factor on marriage, 1215 01:08:29,040 --> 01:08:31,519 Speaker 1: would be a hunter. Did y'all know that I would 1216 01:08:31,520 --> 01:08:34,160 Speaker 1: not marry a hunter? This is a true story. The 1217 01:08:34,200 --> 01:08:37,120 Speaker 1: next day I met Clay Newcomb, and I remember when 1218 01:08:37,160 --> 01:08:39,960 Speaker 1: he told me, I mean, the first like conversation we 1219 01:08:40,040 --> 01:08:43,400 Speaker 1: ever had, he hunting came up and I remember looking 1220 01:08:43,439 --> 01:08:45,680 Speaker 1: at him going, oh, you're a hunter, and it was 1221 01:08:45,760 --> 01:08:50,560 Speaker 1: like really sad to me. I'm sorry. I thought you 1222 01:08:50,640 --> 01:08:54,000 Speaker 1: were a nice guy. And he won me over with 1223 01:08:54,000 --> 01:08:56,519 Speaker 1: the stories. I mean, like I remember I remember him 1224 01:08:56,520 --> 01:08:58,960 Speaker 1: telling the stories and I was like, this can't be 1225 01:08:59,000 --> 01:09:04,000 Speaker 1: all that better Me and Joy when the story. Do 1226 01:09:04,040 --> 01:09:07,040 Speaker 1: you remember this story? Well? I think so, I think, 1227 01:09:07,080 --> 01:09:09,519 Speaker 1: I think I do. And Clay came to my house 1228 01:09:09,600 --> 01:09:11,680 Speaker 1: right after this happened and told the story. And it 1229 01:09:11,720 --> 01:09:16,160 Speaker 1: has been a a newcom family thriller at that time. 1230 01:09:16,600 --> 01:09:19,600 Speaker 1: For what are you gonna say, Dad, Well, I go 1231 01:09:19,640 --> 01:09:23,040 Speaker 1: ahead and till kill that story. Well, so, okay, it 1232 01:09:23,560 --> 01:09:27,000 Speaker 1: was the fall of I was twenty one years old, 1233 01:09:27,240 --> 01:09:31,160 Speaker 1: so whatever fall. That was late nineties, and I was 1234 01:09:31,200 --> 01:09:33,720 Speaker 1: going bow hunting on top of a big mountain over 1235 01:09:33,760 --> 01:09:37,679 Speaker 1: there on public land one bow hunting, and I remember 1236 01:09:37,680 --> 01:09:41,840 Speaker 1: I got off work. I'd been Weldon for mc McDonald 1237 01:09:42,240 --> 01:09:46,440 Speaker 1: building a house made a metal and I was built 1238 01:09:49,720 --> 01:09:51,960 Speaker 1: driving to go. I was driving to go deer hunting 1239 01:09:51,960 --> 01:09:54,680 Speaker 1: in this place that Dad had a stand. And on 1240 01:09:54,720 --> 01:09:57,960 Speaker 1: the way there, I was driving on an old basically 1241 01:09:57,960 --> 01:10:01,360 Speaker 1: a two track logging road and unma maintained road that 1242 01:10:01,439 --> 01:10:04,680 Speaker 1: at the time this would have been like, Okay, I 1243 01:10:04,720 --> 01:10:07,720 Speaker 1: see a deer jump the road. I get out of 1244 01:10:07,760 --> 01:10:10,320 Speaker 1: the truck and I'm going deer hunting and I grabbed 1245 01:10:10,320 --> 01:10:13,120 Speaker 1: my bow and I this deer is just kind of 1246 01:10:13,520 --> 01:10:16,519 Speaker 1: standing out there. Long story short, I get out of 1247 01:10:16,520 --> 01:10:18,880 Speaker 1: the truck walk off side of the road and I 1248 01:10:18,920 --> 01:10:24,280 Speaker 1: shoot this deer with a bow and uh, the deer 1249 01:10:24,840 --> 01:10:26,920 Speaker 1: takes off run and I had just ten ringed it. 1250 01:10:27,400 --> 01:10:29,560 Speaker 1: And I don't wait for it to die, you know, 1251 01:10:29,640 --> 01:10:31,479 Speaker 1: usually you wait thirty forty minutes. But I had to 1252 01:10:31,520 --> 01:10:33,720 Speaker 1: go hunting, so I just fell in right behind it. 1253 01:10:33,960 --> 01:10:35,960 Speaker 1: And about the time it hit the ground, I grabbed 1254 01:10:36,000 --> 01:10:38,240 Speaker 1: its back hoofs drug it to the truck, put it 1255 01:10:38,280 --> 01:10:41,160 Speaker 1: in the truck, and I go deer hunting. I get 1256 01:10:41,240 --> 01:10:42,880 Speaker 1: up to the top of the mountain, parked the truck, 1257 01:10:42,960 --> 01:10:45,759 Speaker 1: walk to the stand, his dad's old ambusher, I believe 1258 01:10:46,160 --> 01:10:49,519 Speaker 1: ambusher tree stand. Climbing the tree stand and you can 1259 01:10:49,600 --> 01:10:51,599 Speaker 1: you can see that there's a big draw that comes 1260 01:10:51,680 --> 01:10:54,280 Speaker 1: up right in front of me. Well bye, was it 1261 01:10:54,280 --> 01:10:57,760 Speaker 1: a log you by? Okay? Log you by? And the 1262 01:10:57,800 --> 01:11:01,439 Speaker 1: big draw coming up here? And I've been sitting there 1263 01:11:01,439 --> 01:11:04,799 Speaker 1: in an hour maybe, and I see a big swinging 1264 01:11:04,920 --> 01:11:07,880 Speaker 1: beard gobbler turkey walking up the other side of the 1265 01:11:07,960 --> 01:11:09,800 Speaker 1: draw from me. And at the time, there's a fall 1266 01:11:09,880 --> 01:11:13,160 Speaker 1: turkey season in Arkansas, and so he's walking and he's 1267 01:11:13,160 --> 01:11:16,880 Speaker 1: gonna be twenty five yards, so I draw back and 1268 01:11:16,920 --> 01:11:20,040 Speaker 1: when he comes into an opening, twenty five yards torch 1269 01:11:20,120 --> 01:11:23,479 Speaker 1: off an arrow the air, sails right under his beard 1270 01:11:24,280 --> 01:11:28,360 Speaker 1: and hits the side of the bank opposite him. So 1271 01:11:28,479 --> 01:11:32,920 Speaker 1: he hears something to his right, you know, hit the bank. 1272 01:11:33,280 --> 01:11:36,559 Speaker 1: I'm to his left. He jumps straight up in the 1273 01:11:36,560 --> 01:11:39,759 Speaker 1: air about two wing flaps, you know, and just jumps 1274 01:11:39,800 --> 01:11:42,400 Speaker 1: straight about twelve feet up in there, lands on the 1275 01:11:42,439 --> 01:11:46,720 Speaker 1: ground and and start to trot right towards me. So 1276 01:11:46,800 --> 01:11:49,880 Speaker 1: I grab another era, and he's just coming right towards me, 1277 01:11:50,160 --> 01:11:52,880 Speaker 1: and he gets about ten yards and I I just 1278 01:11:53,160 --> 01:11:55,240 Speaker 1: nail him. Just I see the Arab pass all the 1279 01:11:55,240 --> 01:11:57,639 Speaker 1: way through him sticking the ground. The turkey. I'm kind 1280 01:11:57,640 --> 01:12:00,280 Speaker 1: of on a ridge that kind of slopes off, and 1281 01:12:00,280 --> 01:12:02,839 Speaker 1: I can kind of see a bigger kind of holler 1282 01:12:02,880 --> 01:12:07,639 Speaker 1: over here, and that turkey turns and just just takes 1283 01:12:07,680 --> 01:12:10,719 Speaker 1: two big wings flaps and just just puts his wings 1284 01:12:10,720 --> 01:12:15,000 Speaker 1: out and just sails, just sails off the side of 1285 01:12:15,000 --> 01:12:18,280 Speaker 1: that mountain. And I go, oh, dang. I just remember 1286 01:12:18,320 --> 01:12:21,320 Speaker 1: seeing a silhouette up against the other mountain over there, 1287 01:12:21,920 --> 01:12:24,840 Speaker 1: and so I go, oh wow, that it's gonna be 1288 01:12:24,840 --> 01:12:27,120 Speaker 1: hard to find that turkey. So I sit there for 1289 01:12:27,120 --> 01:12:29,080 Speaker 1: a little while, and it's starting to get dark, and 1290 01:12:29,120 --> 01:12:31,240 Speaker 1: I think, man, I better go find that turkey. And 1291 01:12:31,240 --> 01:12:32,720 Speaker 1: I've already got a deer in the truck, you know, 1292 01:12:33,400 --> 01:12:35,759 Speaker 1: And so I get out and I just start making 1293 01:12:35,800 --> 01:12:38,080 Speaker 1: loops off the side of the mountain and I just 1294 01:12:38,120 --> 01:12:40,479 Speaker 1: knew the direction it went, you know, start making just 1295 01:12:40,600 --> 01:12:43,880 Speaker 1: big horseshoes, you know, off down there and make a 1296 01:12:43,880 --> 01:12:46,720 Speaker 1: big circle. And it's just almost dark, and there's no 1297 01:12:46,760 --> 01:12:49,120 Speaker 1: way I'm gonna find this turkey. The leaves were real wet, 1298 01:12:49,200 --> 01:12:52,640 Speaker 1: it was. It's wet, had been raining. I end up 1299 01:12:52,680 --> 01:12:54,240 Speaker 1: making it back to the truck and I put my 1300 01:12:54,360 --> 01:12:58,080 Speaker 1: bow in the truck and I'm gonna leave, and I think, man, 1301 01:12:58,120 --> 01:13:00,400 Speaker 1: there's one little section I didn't look in. I'm just 1302 01:13:00,439 --> 01:13:03,360 Speaker 1: gonna walk back up there. So I decided I didn't 1303 01:13:03,360 --> 01:13:06,000 Speaker 1: take my bow, which was a key component of this story, 1304 01:13:06,760 --> 01:13:10,559 Speaker 1: and I started walking up the road. Well, I don't 1305 01:13:10,600 --> 01:13:14,560 Speaker 1: get probably a hundred yards from my truck, walking on 1306 01:13:14,120 --> 01:13:17,080 Speaker 1: a road just lined with pine needles, you know, and 1307 01:13:17,240 --> 01:13:19,400 Speaker 1: like a gravel road. So I'm walking real quiet, and 1308 01:13:19,439 --> 01:13:23,639 Speaker 1: I come around like a little thicket and just walking. 1309 01:13:23,800 --> 01:13:27,120 Speaker 1: And I come around and I can see something new 1310 01:13:27,200 --> 01:13:30,720 Speaker 1: area and bam, I see a turkey. Laying on the 1311 01:13:30,760 --> 01:13:34,439 Speaker 1: ground like a hen with its head up, and it 1312 01:13:34,520 --> 01:13:37,200 Speaker 1: is probably eight or nine feet for me, like from 1313 01:13:37,240 --> 01:13:40,720 Speaker 1: here to that bucket, and it is laying there and 1314 01:13:40,800 --> 01:13:43,559 Speaker 1: it doesn't see me. It has its eyes closed, and 1315 01:13:43,640 --> 01:13:47,160 Speaker 1: I just freeze and I go, what do I do? 1316 01:13:52,160 --> 01:13:55,200 Speaker 1: And I knew that that was the turkey EDD shot 1317 01:13:55,760 --> 01:13:59,280 Speaker 1: and that it was laying there, and I actually wanted 1318 01:13:59,320 --> 01:14:01,400 Speaker 1: to go back to the truck and get my bow 1319 01:14:01,760 --> 01:14:04,559 Speaker 1: and come back and shoot it again. Well about the 1320 01:14:04,600 --> 01:14:07,800 Speaker 1: time that I started to do something, the decision was 1321 01:14:07,800 --> 01:14:09,800 Speaker 1: made for me what was gonna happen When I saw 1322 01:14:09,840 --> 01:14:14,679 Speaker 1: that turkey's eyes pop open and I could, I could? 1323 01:14:14,720 --> 01:14:17,000 Speaker 1: I mean, I just saw his eyes pop wide open. 1324 01:14:17,120 --> 01:14:20,720 Speaker 1: He sees me, and he jumps up and proceeds to 1325 01:14:20,960 --> 01:14:25,639 Speaker 1: run as fast as a turkey can run down the mountain. Well, 1326 01:14:25,680 --> 01:14:28,479 Speaker 1: I was wearing my big lacrosse green boots that all 1327 01:14:28,520 --> 01:14:31,200 Speaker 1: the bow hunters wore back during that time, and man, 1328 01:14:31,240 --> 01:14:33,559 Speaker 1: I had one option, and that was to chase him. 1329 01:14:33,640 --> 01:14:36,040 Speaker 1: And so I just take out after him, and I 1330 01:14:36,080 --> 01:14:40,120 Speaker 1: remember just crashing through briars and brush and limbs, and 1331 01:14:40,160 --> 01:14:42,800 Speaker 1: I'm running as fast as a twenty one year old 1332 01:14:42,800 --> 01:14:45,360 Speaker 1: claim nucomb can run in the rain with all his 1333 01:14:45,439 --> 01:14:48,240 Speaker 1: hunting gear, chasing this turkey down the hill, and man, 1334 01:14:48,360 --> 01:14:50,840 Speaker 1: he is losing me. I'm running as fast as I can. 1335 01:14:50,920 --> 01:14:54,559 Speaker 1: He's getting further and further away, and I just remember thinking, no, 1336 01:14:55,040 --> 01:14:58,080 Speaker 1: I cannot lose this turkey. And we get to the 1337 01:14:58,160 --> 01:15:01,160 Speaker 1: bottom of the hill and one day I'm gonna go 1338 01:15:01,200 --> 01:15:03,880 Speaker 1: back up there and see how far it is. It 1339 01:15:04,040 --> 01:15:06,600 Speaker 1: probably wasn't that far. It felt like I ran a 1340 01:15:06,680 --> 01:15:09,680 Speaker 1: quarter of a mile. I'm sure I didn't. If we 1341 01:15:09,720 --> 01:15:13,000 Speaker 1: get to the bottom of the hill and he goes 1342 01:15:13,080 --> 01:15:15,439 Speaker 1: down through it and he starts to pull up the 1343 01:15:15,560 --> 01:15:18,559 Speaker 1: ridge on the other side, well, I fall in just 1344 01:15:18,680 --> 01:15:21,200 Speaker 1: right behind him, except he's now pretty good ways out 1345 01:15:21,200 --> 01:15:23,680 Speaker 1: in front of me. We start going up the hill, 1346 01:15:24,080 --> 01:15:27,679 Speaker 1: and man, I start gaining on him. I started gaining 1347 01:15:27,720 --> 01:15:32,200 Speaker 1: on him, and all that does adrenaline, adrenaline, and I 1348 01:15:32,280 --> 01:15:34,240 Speaker 1: know that I'm about to just run out of steam. 1349 01:15:34,479 --> 01:15:37,200 Speaker 1: I don't have much left, but I'm gaining on him, 1350 01:15:37,200 --> 01:15:39,920 Speaker 1: gaining on him, gaining on him, gaining, And I remember thinking, 1351 01:15:40,240 --> 01:15:42,439 Speaker 1: I'm gonna catch that sucker. I mean, that was the 1352 01:15:42,439 --> 01:15:45,400 Speaker 1: words that were formed in my head. I'm gonna catch 1353 01:15:45,439 --> 01:15:48,360 Speaker 1: that sucker. And man, I got up about five ft 1354 01:15:48,400 --> 01:15:52,120 Speaker 1: from him, and I just dove on that sucker and 1355 01:15:52,160 --> 01:15:56,000 Speaker 1: just just wrapped him up and we boom hit the ground, 1356 01:15:56,560 --> 01:15:59,360 Speaker 1: and we were both so out of breath that I 1357 01:15:59,439 --> 01:16:02,639 Speaker 1: just laid there breathing, and I remember seeing his head 1358 01:16:03,320 --> 01:16:05,559 Speaker 1: pop up, and I remember his eyes looking at me 1359 01:16:05,840 --> 01:16:09,519 Speaker 1: just like this right here if when I caught my breath, 1360 01:16:09,560 --> 01:16:11,320 Speaker 1: and I guess he caught his too, I don't know. 1361 01:16:11,600 --> 01:16:15,479 Speaker 1: I reached over and just wrung his neck, carried him 1362 01:16:15,479 --> 01:16:17,000 Speaker 1: out of there, threw him in the back of the 1363 01:16:17,000 --> 01:16:19,200 Speaker 1: truck with the nubbing buck I just killed and went 1364 01:16:19,240 --> 01:16:26,320 Speaker 1: to Misty Shreeve's house. True story, told me the story. 1365 01:16:26,600 --> 01:16:29,680 Speaker 1: I took it to your house. No, I remember, just 1366 01:16:29,760 --> 01:16:33,000 Speaker 1: the story. Yeah, you took it to the house. Remember 1367 01:16:33,000 --> 01:16:37,800 Speaker 1: your beautiful blonde, swaying, shaggy hair the l nineties. Yeah, 1368 01:16:38,040 --> 01:16:41,960 Speaker 1: I remember that that story didn't qualify for a Spring 1369 01:16:41,960 --> 01:16:47,120 Speaker 1: Turkey story. Okay, well, so yeah, I don't care. It's 1370 01:16:47,120 --> 01:16:51,559 Speaker 1: a good story, great, great render, guys, Josh closing thoughts, 1371 01:16:51,640 --> 01:16:55,200 Speaker 1: closing comments. I just remember the last are the one 1372 01:16:55,240 --> 01:16:56,840 Speaker 1: of the first times I went hunting with y'all. Do 1373 01:16:56,840 --> 01:16:59,679 Speaker 1: you remember We're sitting around the campfire. Clay is telling 1374 01:16:59,800 --> 01:17:03,080 Speaker 1: that story. You've probably heard that story twenty times. I 1375 01:17:03,120 --> 01:17:07,120 Speaker 1: love it every time. Though. Are looking at each other, 1376 01:17:07,160 --> 01:17:09,599 Speaker 1: breathing real hard. That's the best part. We're sitting around 1377 01:17:09,640 --> 01:17:14,080 Speaker 1: the campfire. You probably remember this, and uh. And these 1378 01:17:14,160 --> 01:17:16,960 Speaker 1: two guys pull up in this in this actually was 1379 01:17:16,960 --> 01:17:19,160 Speaker 1: a little earlier than the campfire. I think we've just 1380 01:17:19,200 --> 01:17:22,679 Speaker 1: gotten none are hunting for the day. This guy comes 1381 01:17:22,720 --> 01:17:26,040 Speaker 1: walking out and he goes, is a dog hare and 1382 01:17:26,040 --> 01:17:29,479 Speaker 1: we're like, yeah, Gary, one of Gary's close friends as 1383 01:17:29,479 --> 01:17:33,400 Speaker 1: a doctor, And uh, he said, I just got shot. 1384 01:17:34,439 --> 01:17:37,240 Speaker 1: Some guy had shot him in the woods, saw the 1385 01:17:37,320 --> 01:17:41,360 Speaker 1: white of his hair and just instinctively just shot and 1386 01:17:41,439 --> 01:17:45,920 Speaker 1: peppered his back with shotguns. Yep. And then it was 1387 01:17:46,800 --> 01:17:50,040 Speaker 1: Dr John Mesco was with us. Well, it might have 1388 01:17:50,160 --> 01:17:53,560 Speaker 1: we might have blended two stories together, but that that 1389 01:17:53,720 --> 01:17:57,439 Speaker 1: exactly what you said happened. And this guy knew that 1390 01:17:57,479 --> 01:18:01,679 Speaker 1: I hunted with Mesco. We're in a We went out 1391 01:18:01,800 --> 01:18:04,800 Speaker 1: and every place I had picked out somebody was there. 1392 01:18:04,800 --> 01:18:06,840 Speaker 1: And we just went back to camp drank coffee. And 1393 01:18:06,840 --> 01:18:10,400 Speaker 1: this guy pulls up and he goes, man, hey, Gary, 1394 01:18:10,400 --> 01:18:12,240 Speaker 1: you got that dock with it? And I go, yeah, 1395 01:18:12,280 --> 01:18:16,760 Speaker 1: he's here, and he came down and took his shirt off. 1396 01:18:16,800 --> 01:18:22,559 Speaker 1: He hold back seven out his knife and he like 1397 01:18:22,720 --> 01:18:24,720 Speaker 1: licked it and ran it under his arms and he 1398 01:18:24,800 --> 01:18:28,599 Speaker 1: started he started poking him on the back, and he goes, 1399 01:18:29,120 --> 01:18:30,920 Speaker 1: you'll be okay, man, don't do anything. I don't even 1400 01:18:30,920 --> 01:18:33,320 Speaker 1: go to the doctor. They'll work themself out. What kind 1401 01:18:33,360 --> 01:18:37,240 Speaker 1: of pattern? It was pretty wide, you know, it wasn't 1402 01:18:37,280 --> 01:18:42,360 Speaker 1: It wasn't. He probably had twenty pellets in his backproof cylinder. Anyway, 1403 01:18:42,640 --> 01:18:45,160 Speaker 1: you were there for that, Yeah, yeah, I think I 1404 01:18:45,200 --> 01:18:48,200 Speaker 1: was hunting. You must have been some reason I was. 1405 01:18:48,360 --> 01:18:51,360 Speaker 1: I don't remember. Yeah, a lot. You know, we're all 1406 01:18:51,400 --> 01:18:59,200 Speaker 1: hunting him by Route Arkansas. Wow. But anyway, I appreciate 1407 01:18:59,280 --> 01:19:01,519 Speaker 1: the podcast is I think I think the way you 1408 01:19:01,640 --> 01:19:03,960 Speaker 1: left it was good just for people to think and 1409 01:19:04,000 --> 01:19:06,439 Speaker 1: do what they can, you know it. It I felt 1410 01:19:06,479 --> 01:19:09,280 Speaker 1: a little sad thinking about generations that may not have 1411 01:19:09,320 --> 01:19:12,960 Speaker 1: the turkey hunting that we've had and it it was 1412 01:19:13,000 --> 01:19:15,720 Speaker 1: such good times and good memories for me, especially with 1413 01:19:15,720 --> 01:19:18,439 Speaker 1: our kids, that I want people to be able to 1414 01:19:18,439 --> 01:19:22,160 Speaker 1: have that experience in the future too. So yeah, the 1415 01:19:22,200 --> 01:19:25,639 Speaker 1: death by a thousand cuts that was very accurate. So 1416 01:19:26,040 --> 01:19:29,240 Speaker 1: we can just do the opposite. We put a thousand 1417 01:19:29,320 --> 01:19:33,559 Speaker 1: band aids on it, maybe it'll get better. Podcast is 1418 01:19:33,600 --> 01:19:44,680 Speaker 1: over drop thousand band aids and hissvation. We're starting a 1419 01:19:44,760 --> 01:19:53,000 Speaker 1: foundation thousand Brent Reeves and his thousand band aids. They'll 1420 01:19:53,040 --> 01:19:56,639 Speaker 1: probably make up they'll probably make up bronze monument him 1421 01:19:56,640 --> 01:19:59,240 Speaker 1: and his overalls one day with holding the Gattler turkey 1422 01:19:59,560 --> 01:20:06,240 Speaker 1: and it's and Dad and Johnson and Johnson. Oh, thank 1423 01:20:06,280 --> 01:20:10,440 Speaker 1: you guys. Hey, there are some burgeries hats on the website. 1424 01:20:10,479 --> 01:20:15,000 Speaker 1: A tan Burgaries hat there there for sale. Hand Burgeries 1425 01:20:15,040 --> 01:20:17,720 Speaker 1: hat look pretty good, I mean, so you can check 1426 01:20:17,760 --> 01:20:20,360 Speaker 1: that out. And uh, we should have Burgaries hats and 1427 01:20:20,439 --> 01:20:24,120 Speaker 1: may starting pretty quick and there'll be a lot of them, 1428 01:20:24,160 --> 01:20:26,599 Speaker 1: but they'll still probably set out you buy. You should 1429 01:20:26,600 --> 01:20:30,639 Speaker 1: buy them as quick as you can. And um, anyway, 1430 01:20:30,720 --> 01:20:37,479 Speaker 1: thanks guys and gals. Is that what it sounds like. 1431 01:20:39,640 --> 01:20:39,680 Speaker 1: H