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Speaker 1: and Tye welcome back to the Solid Verbal, Boys and girls.

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Speaker 1: My name is ty Hildebrand, joining me as always over

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Speaker 1: With that being said, Daniel, Yo, we've got a big

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Speaker 1: Yeahs. Here's what we're doing on the show this year. Ooh,

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Speaker 1: Long term sturdiness. Let's start at the top. Wisconsin, I

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Speaker 2: And if that's not enough, their coach openly mocked the

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Speaker 2: and look. But defensively, they're in pretty good shape. They

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Speaker 2: He also has a nose tackle who can do a

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Speaker 2: I know. So Alex Hornibrook has it all, has it

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Speaker 1: Don't forget about Purdue Perdy. Yeah, sure, Purdue's gonna have

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I would. They look like ten and a half wins.

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Speaker 2: That's a good question, yeah, because it would be fairly

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Speaker 1: The ingredients are different this year. They still have the

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Speaker 1: That's fair to me. I'm just saying that if Iowa

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Speaker 2: That's totally reasonable. I think no offense gives them, as

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Speaker 1: Let's do that.

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Speaker 2: Go Don Don Minnesota, Indiana, Penn State, challenging uh Perdue, Illinois. Okay,

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Speaker 2: That's all of their road games, Minnesota, Indiana, Penn State, Perdue, Illinois.

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Speaker 1: Know that the last time Iowa went to Illinois two

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Speaker 2: So are you higher on any other Big ten West

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Speaker 1: I don't think so.

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Speaker 1: The only other real contender for me would be Clayton Thorson,

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Speaker 2: I'm telling you he is in terms of recent Iowa quarterbacks,

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Speaker 1: At least for sure. I don't even think that's a question.

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Speaker 2: That's why you care.

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Speaker 1: That's why I have.

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure Iowa is my next team up after Wisconsin.

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Speaker 1: I think I still go with Northwestern. Did you know

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Speaker 2: I don't see it. I just ever, I don't think

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Speaker 2: little bit too much. I like them up front, they

436
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Speaker 2: return a good amount upfront, but it's a new secondary

437
00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:08,960
Speaker 2: and I'm high on Nate Stanley, I'm high on Alex Hornybrook,

438
00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:14,920
Speaker 2: I'm bless high on Minnesota the Vitramantes, but I am

439
00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:18,960
Speaker 2: the I'm not crazy about how everything looks for them.

440
00:23:19,359 --> 00:23:22,080
Speaker 2: So this is like there's like the old like they

441
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Speaker 2: either go seven and five or ten and three or

442
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Speaker 2: something like that. I'm skewing more seven and five with

443
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Speaker 2: this Northwestern team.

444
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Speaker 1: That's fair. I did on the topic of Clayton Thorst,

445
00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:33,120
Speaker 1: so we do need to bring him up. I read

446
00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:35,200
Speaker 1: in one of the magazines, and I don't know if

447
00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:39,560
Speaker 1: it was Athlon or Lindy's or it's honestly escaping me,

448
00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:44,040
Speaker 1: but they had a passage about a fellow Big Ten

449
00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:48,840
Speaker 1: coach that legitimately felt Clayton Thorson had all the tools

450
00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:53,080
Speaker 1: to be a pro prospect if he could stay healthy. Yeah,

451
00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:56,320
Speaker 1: if he could stay healthy, I think is the operative phrase.

452
00:23:56,800 --> 00:24:02,119
Speaker 1: He does need to stay healthy. It's not a side

453
00:24:02,119 --> 00:24:04,720
Speaker 1: of the conference that is flush with like really high

454
00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:07,399
Speaker 1: level quarterback play, and that extends all the way up

455
00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:10,680
Speaker 1: to Wisconsin. Nate Stanley, you could probably make a case

456
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Speaker 1: is the best quarterback pure quarterback, just in terms of

457
00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:19,600
Speaker 1: skills going into this season. Thorson is probably up there,

458
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Speaker 1: but I need to see more from him before I'm

459
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Speaker 1: ready to give him that mantle. A little higher on

460
00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:28,480
Speaker 1: him than you, but not by much.

461
00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:31,359
Speaker 2: Had a super good game against Michigan State last year,

462
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Speaker 2: I think that was a triple overtime win, was pretty

463
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Speaker 2: disappointing against Iowa and just abysmal against Penn State, abysmal

464
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Speaker 2: against Wisconsin. So if they're challenging the better teams in

465
00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:49,080
Speaker 2: their in their division, it's got to be through claim

466
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Speaker 2: Thorston and the recent history is not my favorite. And

467
00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:57,280
Speaker 2: next year they will probably have a really good quarterback, yeah,

468
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Speaker 2: in Hunter Johnson Johnsons for so, I think that that's

469
00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:02,440
Speaker 2: something to look forward to if you're a Northwestern fan

470
00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:06,480
Speaker 2: through a what should be another like they're just a

471
00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:10,120
Speaker 2: solid seventh inning reliever. They're Arthur Rhodes tie, that's.

472
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Speaker 1: Arthur Roads to Wow.

473
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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, that's all they are. And I and listen,

474
00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:19,919
Speaker 2: I'm underestimating them, I'm sure, But when you have to

475
00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:22,680
Speaker 2: say they feel trappy, that's not a lot, at least

476
00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:24,160
Speaker 2: on my end, not a lot of confidence.

477
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Speaker 1: They could be an underdog in five games this year.

478
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Speaker 1: I'm looking at Michigan, Wisconsin, the Notre Dame game, which

479
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Speaker 1: I'll elaborate on here in a second, they go to

480
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Speaker 1: Iowa and Michigan State. I could see them being dogs

481
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Speaker 1: in all of those contests. For me, selfishly, as we

482
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Speaker 1: frame everything around. Why we care mm hmm, I care

483
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Speaker 1: because they play Notre Dame the week after Notre Dame

484
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Speaker 1: travels home from a weird game against Navy in San Diego.

485
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Speaker 2: Ooh, body blow.

486
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Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a lot of bodyblow potential there, if it's

487
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Speaker 1: not bad enough that they're playing Navy, which always seems

488
00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:01,840
Speaker 1: to bode very well.

489
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Speaker 2: Second straight road game, second straight road game for Notre Dame.

490
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Speaker 1: That's right. It always bodes very well for the team

491
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Speaker 1: that Notre Dame plays after Navy because they're a little

492
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Speaker 1: bit beat up. But they're also traveling back and then

493
00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:15,840
Speaker 1: to Evanston, which isn't a long commute, mind you, but

494
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Speaker 1: still it's away from home. That game is of utmost

495
00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:24,840
Speaker 1: concern to me of all the spots here on the

496
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Speaker 1: Northwestern schedule where there could be a trap that Notre

497
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Speaker 1: Dame game. To me, uh selfishly jumps out. I care

498
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Speaker 1: about Northwestern because I think that's a legit spot where

499
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Speaker 1: Notre Dame could go on the road and lose.

500
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Speaker 2: Two games away from home in a row, one of

501
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Speaker 2: which is after an option team, a talented option team.

502
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Speaker 2: The good news for Notre Dame fans like yourself and

503
00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:50,600
Speaker 2: the elder gentleman. I saw wearing giant cargo shorts and

504
00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:53,320
Speaker 2: these chunky new balances out when I was running today.

505
00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:55,919
Speaker 2: He was faster than me, by the way. Yeah, the

506
00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:58,119
Speaker 2: good news for Notre Dame fans you and him alike.

507
00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:02,200
Speaker 2: Northwestern has Wisconsin the week before, So there is body

508
00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:03,679
Speaker 2: blow cancelation.

509
00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:05,360
Speaker 1: Noble body blow INTERESTINGBB.

510
00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:06,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, so there's that.

511
00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:12,760
Speaker 1: Moving on, Who is our next team up here on

512
00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:17,040
Speaker 1: the totem pole in the Big ten West? I okay,

513
00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:22,560
Speaker 1: could be Minnesota, could be Nebraska.

514
00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:25,640
Speaker 2: If you've gone far too long feeling.

515
00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:28,680
Speaker 1: Dangerous, you could go Purdue. How you going here, Ty.

516
00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:31,080
Speaker 2: We've waited far too long. Whether we believe they're going

517
00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:34,320
Speaker 2: to and ten, ten and two somewhere in between, doesn't matter,

518
00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:36,920
Speaker 2: even if it's out of order. I don't know how

519
00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:39,399
Speaker 2: we've gone this long talking about the division without talking

520
00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:40,960
Speaker 2: about coming.

521
00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:48,200
Speaker 1: Home, coming home. Tell the world that I'm coming home. Yeah,

522
00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:54,440
Speaker 1: it's time Scott Frost coming back home, coming back home

523
00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:57,160
Speaker 1: to link in Nebraska. Nebraska went four and eight last year.

524
00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:01,040
Speaker 1: They made a coaching change. They brought back native son

525
00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:06,439
Speaker 1: Scott Frost, and first and foremost, I care because we

526
00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:09,800
Speaker 1: are going to see an infinite number of pictures of

527
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Speaker 1: Scott Frost wearing that Nebraska letterman jacket. Absolutely, we will

528
00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:19,600
Speaker 1: the Scott Frost welcome home slash homecoming angle. I think

529
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Speaker 1: has to be very high up on our draft board

530
00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:27,439
Speaker 1: for fantasy things. Chicago almost unfair, almost unfair. Has to

531
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Speaker 1: be a top five pick, easily top five pick.

532
00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:34,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's a no brainer. That is you know,

533
00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:38,440
Speaker 2: I'm trying to think of the most no brainer recent

534
00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:41,200
Speaker 2: NFL draft pick to go, like number one, two.

535
00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:43,760
Speaker 1: Three, Saquon Barkley in the top five. Let's use his.

536
00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:49,480
Speaker 2: Saquon Barkley Andrew Luck, any of these guys. Yes, Scott

537
00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:54,240
Speaker 2: Frost comes home. His career has been as ideal as

538
00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:57,760
Speaker 2: you would want, just in terms of who he's coached under,

539
00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:02,959
Speaker 2: where he's recruited, and now his understanding whether or not

540
00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:07,240
Speaker 2: that's important or not, of his current place and Nebraska's

541
00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:11,680
Speaker 2: current standing within the Big Ten in college football hierarchy.

542
00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:16,760
Speaker 2: It's going to take a little bit, but his tutelage

543
00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:19,800
Speaker 2: of that word has been pretty great.

544
00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:23,040
Speaker 1: It's been working out pretty well for him. Let's talk

545
00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:27,320
Speaker 1: about Nebraska in a little bit more detail. I'm interested

546
00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:29,480
Speaker 1: because there are a number of dynamics at play. So

547
00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:32,600
Speaker 1: we've got the obvious hype over the return of Native

548
00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:37,360
Speaker 1: son Scott Frost. He's returned from the Tropics surprisingly without

549
00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:40,080
Speaker 1: a ten, but he's got the hopes of the fan

550
00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:42,800
Speaker 1: base on his shoulders. Blah blah blah, you know the drill. Yes,

551
00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:48,680
Speaker 1: we've got the open question of a relatively experienced team

552
00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:51,840
Speaker 1: playing in an entirely new system.

553
00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:53,000
Speaker 2: Is that a good thing?

554
00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:56,280
Speaker 1: I don't know. That's why I said it's an open question.

555
00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:57,880
Speaker 1: I have no idea, but it's interesting.

556
00:29:58,200 --> 00:29:58,360
Speaker 2: Right.

557
00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:02,040
Speaker 1: Yes, Then we've got the ultimate counterbalance, which I think

558
00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:05,360
Speaker 1: is the Big Ten's toughest road schedule. It is just brutal.

559
00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:07,800
Speaker 2: It's really bad. It's really Get a.

560
00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:12,200
Speaker 1: Load of this, trim, Get a load of this to Michigan, two, Wisconsin,

561
00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:18,360
Speaker 1: at Northwestern, at Ohio State, and at Iowa. Yeah, if

562
00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:23,920
Speaker 1: Scott Frost, if he wins two of those, he's exceeding expectations.

563
00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:29,880
Speaker 1: If he wins three, just make the bust. Now, he's

564
00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:32,640
Speaker 1: a god among insects. If he wins three of those five.

565
00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:36,640
Speaker 2: So in I mean you were specifically mentioning the road schedules.

566
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Speaker 2: You nailed all of those. They're non conference schedule is Colorado,

567
00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:44,400
Speaker 2: who's not great, but they've been developing talent pretty consistently

568
00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:46,880
Speaker 2: under Mike McIntyre and did make the championship game in

569
00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:49,960
Speaker 2: the Pac twelve a couple of years ago. And they

570
00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:54,760
Speaker 2: have a team that beat LSU last year. They have Troy,

571
00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:58,280
Speaker 2: they have Neil Brown and the Trojans. I mean, granted

572
00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:02,680
Speaker 2: it's in Lincoln, but Troy is not a no brainer

573
00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:06,200
Speaker 2: for Nebraska. This is a Nebraska team. You talk about

574
00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:09,360
Speaker 2: the experience coming off of a loss to NIU. Good

575
00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:17,120
Speaker 2: NIU team, but NIU and i This feels strongly like

576
00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:22,480
Speaker 2: a six and six, seven and five team that shows

577
00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:26,600
Speaker 2: some flashes against the defenses that they can show flashes

578
00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:28,680
Speaker 2: against later on in the season. Maybe they're pretty good

579
00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:31,120
Speaker 2: against Iowa on the road. They should run over all

580
00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:35,280
Speaker 2: over Illinois. Minnesota they can have some fun with, but

581
00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:41,440
Speaker 2: Minnesota's got a pretty solid defense. I am not super bullish.

582
00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:44,800
Speaker 2: That's the word I'm looking for, I think on Nebraska

583
00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:48,600
Speaker 2: this season, just in terms of the new faces, the

584
00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:51,920
Speaker 2: talent level from where it is right now to where

585
00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:55,520
Speaker 2: it eventually will be under Scott Frost. Whether it's Adrian Martinez,

586
00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:57,360
Speaker 2: the true freshman who at one point was I think

587
00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:02,800
Speaker 2: cal Tennessee commitments. Gebbia is the other Jebia Gebie, I

588
00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:05,160
Speaker 2: don't know. I will eventually know, I promise you I

589
00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:08,240
Speaker 2: should know because he went to my high school. Uh oh,

590
00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:12,400
Speaker 2: Calabasas High Zone. So I think there are things to

591
00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:14,880
Speaker 2: be encouraged about. Trey Bryant is a name that a

592
00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:18,360
Speaker 2: lot of people still have some optimism about, by myself included,

593
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:22,680
Speaker 2: seems to be pretty talented. But in terms of threatening

594
00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:24,840
Speaker 2: for a division, they're at least a year away.

595
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:27,480
Speaker 1: Oh, they're definitely a year away. But you mentioned the

596
00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:31,000
Speaker 1: quarterback race. We've got a red shirt freshman in Gebia

597
00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:35,120
Speaker 1: Jebia whatever, and Adrian Martinez, a true freshman who was

598
00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:38,640
Speaker 1: flipped came over to Nebraska, one of the big catches

599
00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:42,600
Speaker 1: for Scott Frost in his first semi recruiting season. Whoever

600
00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:44,720
Speaker 1: it is is actually gonna have a pretty good duo

601
00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:47,760
Speaker 1: out wide in Stanley Morgan and j. D. Spielman, two

602
00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:52,160
Speaker 1: playmakers out that they can throw to, and I'm interested

603
00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:55,280
Speaker 1: to see how Scott Frost will utilize them. I tend

604
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Speaker 1: to agree with you that this is certainly not a

605
00:32:57,680 --> 00:33:00,560
Speaker 1: team ready to contend for a division I think the

606
00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:02,800
Speaker 1: real game here will be contending for a Bowl.

607
00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:06,600
Speaker 2: That seems like the reasonable expectation that the reason of

608
00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:10,680
Speaker 2: care is Scott Frost homecoming. Whether or not some guy

609
00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:12,360
Speaker 2: stands up in the middle of a press conference and

610
00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:14,320
Speaker 2: yells at him that he owes him thirty eight dollars

611
00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:19,400
Speaker 2: and has for the last twenty seven years. Yeah, it's

612
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:21,600
Speaker 2: to see what it's just what they look like.

613
00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:25,080
Speaker 1: It is just a visual care factor for me. Let's

614
00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:28,440
Speaker 1: go to Purdue, Dan perd. So they went six and

615
00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:31,240
Speaker 1: six a year ago, which was a big deal. They

616
00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:36,240
Speaker 1: finished strong. The question this year is really blame really

617
00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:39,440
Speaker 1: going to be defense, right, because you'll remember what Brom

618
00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:41,840
Speaker 1: did a year ago. He came in and it was

619
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Speaker 1: like an instant turnaround story on the defensive side of

620
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Speaker 1: the ball. They were almost like two touchdowns better in

621
00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:52,480
Speaker 1: terms of points allowed per game than twenty sixteen instant

622
00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:57,680
Speaker 1: turnaround story Jeff Brom pulling all the right switches. This year, though,

623
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Speaker 1: that defense is gone. They are gone. If Purdue's gonna

624
00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:07,680
Speaker 1: make the Bowl in twenty eighteen, it's going to be

625
00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:11,080
Speaker 1: shootout city. It's going to be like three thousand yards

626
00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:14,080
Speaker 1: on the arm of our boy Elijah Sindolar aka the

627
00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:15,520
Speaker 1: college football Cindelard.

628
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Speaker 2: I am. I'm pretty high on Purdue overall if they're

629
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Speaker 2: able to keep Jeff Bram. He had a pretty significant

630
00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:27,400
Speaker 2: offensive jump in year two with the Hilltoppers of Western.

631
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Speaker 1: So if hold on, if they're able to keep Jeff Bram,

632
00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:32,799
Speaker 1: are you implying that he will leave before the start

633
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Speaker 1: of the season.

634
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Speaker 2: I'm saying long term, long term high on Purdue all right,

635
00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:42,000
Speaker 2: short term being this season. That would be something, though.

636
00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:46,319
Speaker 2: I think Elijah Sindelar is all right, especially with how

637
00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:50,440
Speaker 2: he finished out his season last year. I like the

638
00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:52,800
Speaker 2: line in front of him. I like the skill. I

639
00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:56,000
Speaker 2: don't think it's high level in terms of the Big Ten,

640
00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:59,440
Speaker 2: but it's decent enough. I am worried about that defense.

641
00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:02,520
Speaker 2: You're right will be shootout city. Elijah sin Delar will

642
00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:06,600
Speaker 2: most likely be that mayor, but with the understanding of

643
00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:09,960
Speaker 2: having that full year into a I think a relatively

644
00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:12,600
Speaker 2: complicated system. The big thing on Jeff Brohm. I think

645
00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:15,640
Speaker 2: our pole Chris Brown has talked about it is marrying

646
00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:19,480
Speaker 2: the college spread to more professional passing concepts. I think

647
00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:22,880
Speaker 2: it takes time, it takes reps, and their schedule is

648
00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:26,640
Speaker 2: such that I think they open with Northwestern, so we'll

649
00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:30,560
Speaker 2: get a decent look right away. They go to Nebraska,

650
00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:33,279
Speaker 2: to Illinois, to Michigan State. They also get Ohio State

651
00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:37,480
Speaker 2: at home they have obviously, Yeah, they Wisconsin home, Michigan State,

652
00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:39,440
Speaker 2: Ohio State. They go on the road to Indiana, so

653
00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:43,279
Speaker 2: their schedule is fine. But I think it's going to

654
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:46,200
Speaker 2: be a different looking Purdue team this year. I just

655
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:49,080
Speaker 2: they were so good up front last year that it's

656
00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:51,279
Speaker 2: going to take a little bit of time to get

657
00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:55,520
Speaker 2: to that place where they are just a little more complete.

658
00:35:55,640 --> 00:35:58,560
Speaker 2: All right, So they go to a bowl game once again.

659
00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:01,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's the open question.

660
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:04,760
Speaker 2: And they have Miszoo with a really good quarterback.

661
00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:07,640
Speaker 1: They do have Miszoo. I think I think it will

662
00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:10,600
Speaker 1: be uh six and six, seven to five kind a year.

663
00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:12,759
Speaker 2: So they are making a bowl game. The quest for

664
00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:15,799
Speaker 2: six yeah, continues on. I think it's I think it's

665
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:19,520
Speaker 2: an open question. I don't feel confident that it's going

666
00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:24,600
Speaker 2: to happen, but I think with Jeff Brohm leading the charge,

667
00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:27,200
Speaker 2: they'll be able to bolt together enough of an offense

668
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:31,120
Speaker 2: to get enough shootouts outscore enough of their opponents here

669
00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:33,480
Speaker 2: in the Big Ten to get to like six wins.

670
00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:37,120
Speaker 2: I think they take a slight step back and sling

671
00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:40,280
Speaker 2: shot next year. I think it's like a five and seven. Okay,

672
00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:44,000
Speaker 2: And they've recruited well enough. I like their coaching staff

673
00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:46,120
Speaker 2: that if he sticks around, if Brahm and his staff

674
00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:48,120
Speaker 2: are there in twenty nineteen, they could sling shot to

675
00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:49,280
Speaker 2: like an eight and four situation.

676
00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:53,640
Speaker 1: Speaking of five and seven, let's go to Minnesota. Let's

677
00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:57,600
Speaker 1: let's let's let's the Golden Gophers. They went five and

678
00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:02,480
Speaker 1: seven a year ago. And again, the framework for our

679
00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:06,319
Speaker 1: preview here is care factor. Yes, the care factor for

680
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:10,399
Speaker 1: me is very high. Really, it comes very high when

681
00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:14,080
Speaker 1: it comes to Mannesota. Yeah, I don't know what to expect.

682
00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:16,680
Speaker 1: Those are the teams that I care the most about,

683
00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:19,080
Speaker 1: the ones where I look at them up and down.

684
00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:21,719
Speaker 1: I probably spend an hour and a half going over

685
00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:25,480
Speaker 1: Minnesota football in twenty eighteen, and I still really have

686
00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:27,200
Speaker 1: no idea what I'm supposed to expect.

687
00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:33,440
Speaker 2: Okay, they've recruited really well, Yes, along the line, along

688
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:36,080
Speaker 2: the line, Yes, they've recruited really well on the line.

689
00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:38,439
Speaker 2: Even there's a receiver coming in that I remember liking

690
00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:41,520
Speaker 2: a lot watching his tape during during the signing day,

691
00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:47,600
Speaker 2: spectacular week or whatever Minnesota has. If they work in

692
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:51,719
Speaker 2: the younger players that PJ. Fleck and his staff have recruited,

693
00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:56,279
Speaker 2: I think they show some flashes. I think it was

694
00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:59,080
Speaker 2: Rashad Bateman. I think that's who that receiver is. Anyway,

695
00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:04,040
Speaker 2: they have a giant, remember the Daniel fa La whatever

696
00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:06,520
Speaker 2: his name is. Img Andy Stables profile him. At one

697
00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:08,000
Speaker 2: point he was like six eight, four hundred.

698
00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:08,279
Speaker 1: Yeah.

699
00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:11,239
Speaker 2: I think he's down a few dozen pounds. But they've

700
00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:13,520
Speaker 2: recruited well along the along the offensive line. I don't

701
00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:15,600
Speaker 2: think the skal talent is really there in terms of

702
00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:23,560
Speaker 2: experience and ceiling. Defensively, they should be solid. I'm I'm

703
00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:29,200
Speaker 2: careful to be too optimistic with Minnesota because quarterback is

704
00:38:29,239 --> 00:38:30,000
Speaker 2: not there.

705
00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:32,759
Speaker 1: Here are your options that quarterback, Dan, give me, give

706
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:36,040
Speaker 1: me a confidence level in this position group. Okay, I'm ready.

707
00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:39,040
Speaker 1: You've got options. You've got a red shirt freshman by

708
00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:40,320
Speaker 1: the name of Canner Morgan.

709
00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:42,839
Speaker 2: Sounds like a quarterback.

710
00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:49,520
Speaker 1: Yes, You've got another red shirt freshman named Zach Annistad. Okay, yep,

711
00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:54,759
Speaker 1: sounds like an Eastern European country. Okay, we've got vic

712
00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:58,360
Speaker 1: Via Montes Monte.

713
00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:02,080
Speaker 2: Vic Vera, Monte's former cal quarterback never got in there

714
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:03,839
Speaker 2: and then went to a junior college and now has

715
00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:08,320
Speaker 2: transferred to Minnesota. Physical tools like, he's solid. He's built

716
00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:13,600
Speaker 2: really solidly. So if that is important to you, boy,

717
00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:14,960
Speaker 2: are you excited?

718
00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:17,759
Speaker 1: Built solidly? Those are your three options? How do you

719
00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:21,040
Speaker 1: feel one to ten level of confidence? Not.

720
00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:24,160
Speaker 2: I don't feel great about quarterback. That doesn't mean they

721
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:26,920
Speaker 2: can't win. This is not a program that has gotten

722
00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:29,280
Speaker 2: by on excellent quarterback play recently.

723
00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:33,239
Speaker 1: So yeah, of course, so I don't feel great about quarterback.

724
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:39,439
Speaker 1: But elsewhere, if Rodney Smith stays healthy at running back,

725
00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:43,600
Speaker 1: could be super solid. Okay, the top three wide outs

726
00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:45,040
Speaker 1: from a year ago are back.

727
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:46,919
Speaker 2: Tyler Johnson's pretty good.

728
00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:53,280
Speaker 1: We mentioned the offensive line more experienced and PJ. Fleck

729
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:55,520
Speaker 1: really did focus on it in the recruiting game, so

730
00:39:55,520 --> 00:39:59,880
Speaker 1: it should be I think improved. The interior defensive line

731
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:01,879
Speaker 1: is a bit of a struggle bus, as we say

732
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:05,520
Speaker 1: here on the program. Sure, but their lineback and corps

733
00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:07,880
Speaker 1: should be solid. They bring Thomas Barber back, who was

734
00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:11,560
Speaker 1: their leading tackler. I think their defensive backfield should be

735
00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:15,040
Speaker 1: solid on the whole. Again, much in the same vein

736
00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:21,600
Speaker 1: as Northwestern zero sexiness on this team, but PJ. Fleck

737
00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:23,000
Speaker 1: will have them playing with emotion.

738
00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:26,279
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, did you not hear me describe Vic Veramontes

739
00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:28,480
Speaker 2: as solid, solidly built.

740
00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:31,680
Speaker 1: Thank you, Dan, Yeah, no problem. The schedule I think

741
00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:36,920
Speaker 1: is workable. Yep, it's workable. You could, if you squint

742
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:39,719
Speaker 1: really hard, find a path to nine wins for Minnesota.

743
00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:41,759
Speaker 2: Oh my god, you could do it.

744
00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:43,399
Speaker 1: You could do it.

745
00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:47,000
Speaker 2: One of the four Power for East teams. They go

746
00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:51,359
Speaker 2: to Ohio States their early season scheduled New Mexico State,

747
00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:55,799
Speaker 2: remember bowl team Presno State, super good defense last year,

748
00:40:55,840 --> 00:40:58,960
Speaker 2: though they lose their coordinator. Yeah, then you're right. They're

749
00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:02,440
Speaker 2: on the road Maryland, FISO State, Nebraska, Illinois. It seems

750
00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:03,640
Speaker 2: like everybody's going Illinois.

751
00:41:03,719 --> 00:41:03,919
Speaker 1: Yeah.

752
00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:05,799
Speaker 2: And then they finished the season up, of course, going

753
00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:09,080
Speaker 2: to Wisconsin. This is a pretty good year in the

754
00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:12,520
Speaker 2: West to be solid in a number of places, to

755
00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:15,880
Speaker 2: squeak out something ugly against Northwestern, to squeak out something

756
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:20,480
Speaker 2: ugly against Iowa or Nebraska. They feel like a bowl team,

757
00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:24,400
Speaker 2: but still just barely. To me, I think they're a

758
00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:28,399
Speaker 2: six and sixteen because the quarterback question is just too

759
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:29,480
Speaker 2: vast right now.

760
00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:31,680
Speaker 1: Give me seven to five or in four.

761
00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:36,239
Speaker 2: All right. I just just know here's the thing with

762
00:41:36,239 --> 00:41:37,960
Speaker 2: me in the Big ten West in general. And it's

763
00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:40,920
Speaker 2: not Minnesota's fault necessarily because you know, hopefully Rashad Bateman

764
00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:44,279
Speaker 2: turns into a star. There isn't in the way that

765
00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:48,600
Speaker 2: even the MAC recently has had like just select star

766
00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:53,040
Speaker 2: power even at skill positions. There's no receiver, there's no

767
00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:57,160
Speaker 2: running back besides Jonathan Taylor tailback. That that really screams

768
00:41:57,200 --> 00:41:59,759
Speaker 2: to me. And so when you have that lack of game,

769
00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:02,920
Speaker 2: and I think Nate Stanley once again is going to

770
00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:06,080
Speaker 2: be very good, but just in terms of all purpose weapons,

771
00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:10,760
Speaker 2: then suddenly a team that is such sort of solid

772
00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:16,839
Speaker 2: a number of places has some shots. Yeah, that's all

773
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:20,759
Speaker 2: I have. So my care factor is what will the

774
00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:24,560
Speaker 2: young players look like getting in? But I'm going to

775
00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:27,480
Speaker 2: level with you, ty, yeah, I don't see myself running

776
00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:29,680
Speaker 2: out to watch a lot of Minnesota football this year.

777
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:32,520
Speaker 2: But they could start out four or five and oh

778
00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:33,360
Speaker 2: then that changes.

779
00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:36,960
Speaker 1: You introduced me to a verb a couple of weeks ago,

780
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:40,400
Speaker 1: and we were talking about cooking I believe sweet potatoes

781
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:43,000
Speaker 1: in the oven, and he said, you know, you take

782
00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:44,520
Speaker 1: them out of the oven, and you want to give them,

783
00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:46,160
Speaker 1: you want to give them a fleck of salt.

784
00:42:47,239 --> 00:42:50,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think fleck is Yeah. I mean I turned

785
00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:55,040
Speaker 2: the noun fleck into a verb. But yeah, I think

786
00:42:55,080 --> 00:42:56,759
Speaker 2: we'll flex some teams eventually.

787
00:42:57,360 --> 00:42:59,080
Speaker 1: I think fleck could be a verb this year. Dan,

788
00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:01,320
Speaker 1: That's what I'm I'm saying, You've invented a word, and

789
00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:04,359
Speaker 1: I'm going to use it, maybe against your will.

790
00:43:04,360 --> 00:43:06,640
Speaker 2: They had like a I wish they had a Corey Davis.

791
00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:09,360
Speaker 2: I wish they could fleck somebody with Corey Davis, but

792
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:10,360
Speaker 2: they don't.

793
00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:13,080
Speaker 1: Seven or eight wins for me for Minnesota, oh Man,

794
00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:22,160
Speaker 1: and then finally uh Illinois. Yeah and ten a year ago.

795
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:24,040
Speaker 2: Mm hmmm, we.

796
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:27,320
Speaker 1: Are now playing I believe with all of Lovely Smith's

797
00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:30,200
Speaker 1: players like this, these are his pretty much. These are

798
00:43:30,239 --> 00:43:33,799
Speaker 1: his dude Love's dudes out there. They've got a new

799
00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:38,239
Speaker 1: offensive coordinator and Rod Smith. It comes over from Arizona

800
00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:43,239
Speaker 1: that he did. The best thing I can say is

801
00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:45,240
Speaker 1: that I think they will be better on the whole,

802
00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:47,320
Speaker 1: which isn't hard because it went to and ten a

803
00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:52,960
Speaker 1: year ago. But m hm, better on the whole. Maybe,

804
00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:57,360
Speaker 1: if I'm feeling dangerous four and eight on the year.

805
00:43:58,320 --> 00:44:02,719
Speaker 2: And finally those be an archaeologist, find me those and

806
00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:04,359
Speaker 2: those ones.

807
00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:07,120
Speaker 1: Hold on and at least in terms of the show

808
00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:11,640
Speaker 1: excitement care factor in that the Drive for six will

809
00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:14,760
Speaker 1: be alive at least for some portion of the season.

810
00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:24,000
Speaker 2: Wow, okay, so excavate the ruins of six opponents.

811
00:44:24,719 --> 00:44:27,480
Speaker 1: This is I will get the better of. This is

812
00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:30,640
Speaker 1: the scene in space Balls where they comb the desert

813
00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:32,839
Speaker 1: and the man comes back saying, we ain't found shit.

814
00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:36,920
Speaker 1: That's what this is in twenty eighteen for the ALIONI.

815
00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:40,080
Speaker 2: So love he's recruited in. I think they have a

816
00:44:40,080 --> 00:44:43,080
Speaker 2: couple of big players coming in this year because at

817
00:44:43,080 --> 00:44:45,360
Speaker 2: a certain point, if you really want to play right away,

818
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:48,840
Speaker 2: you go to Illinois, you really want some Papadell's pizza,

819
00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:51,879
Speaker 2: you go to Illinois. They have Western Illinois early, Kent

820
00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:56,000
Speaker 2: State early, and they go two Rutgers to Maryland, which

821
00:44:56,080 --> 00:44:57,800
Speaker 2: I have to assume Maryland is going to be healthier

822
00:44:57,800 --> 00:45:02,520
Speaker 2: and better this year. And aside from that, I don't

823
00:45:02,600 --> 00:45:05,480
Speaker 2: see much. USF is going to be pretty good near

824
00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:10,080
Speaker 2: two of Charlie Strong, that defense should be nice. I gosh,

825
00:45:10,120 --> 00:45:14,680
Speaker 2: to Wisconsin, to Nebraska, to Northwestern. I'm not. I think

826
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:17,759
Speaker 2: the quest to six is DA to me.

827
00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:20,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh it's DA. I'm just saying, okay, it's at

828
00:45:20,520 --> 00:45:24,000
Speaker 1: least alive for some portion of the first six or

829
00:45:24,040 --> 00:45:24,879
Speaker 1: seven weeks of the year.

830
00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:29,960
Speaker 2: This is more like the quest for Jason Kandall. I

831
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:37,080
Speaker 2: don't know which the anyway, You know what I really did,

832
00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:39,319
Speaker 2: like two thousand and seven and watching Juice Williams and

833
00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:41,920
Speaker 2: Martez Wilson, all those guys. Arelli has been and I

834
00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:45,799
Speaker 2: hope for Illinois fans whose basketball has also been disappointing since,

835
00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:50,879
Speaker 2: like Dee Brown and whatever the James Augustine at Luther

836
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:52,319
Speaker 2: Head remember.

837
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:53,000
Speaker 1: That, Tom Yeah, yeah, sure.

838
00:45:53,760 --> 00:45:58,320
Speaker 2: They are golf and tennis school right now, and hope

839
00:45:58,320 --> 00:45:59,320
Speaker 2: it changes at some point.

840
00:45:59,239 --> 00:46:01,319
Speaker 1: A golf kennis school ever.

841
00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:04,880
Speaker 2: Accoirement one of the Wimbledon the guy that beat Federer

842
00:46:05,680 --> 00:46:11,080
Speaker 2: in at Wimbledon, Kevin Anderson ELI and I boom, huge moment.

843
00:46:12,040 --> 00:46:14,120
Speaker 2: There you go, embrace Kevin Anderson.

844
00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:17,560
Speaker 1: So there you go. That's your big ten West. Are

845
00:46:17,560 --> 00:46:21,320
Speaker 1: we in universal agreement here that Wisconsin's winning the West.

846
00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:25,040
Speaker 2: Wisconsin's winning the West? We disagreed with second place. I

847
00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:28,160
Speaker 2: think it's Iowa. You seem to allude to Northwestern love.

848
00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:34,279
Speaker 2: After that, I'll go, oh god, it it's real, real,

849
00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:35,400
Speaker 2: real fast sturdy.

850
00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:37,800
Speaker 1: Though, Dan, it's it's long term sturdy.

851
00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:40,440
Speaker 2: So are you higher on Purdue or Minnesota.

852
00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:41,600
Speaker 1: I'm hiring Minnesota.

853
00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:47,080
Speaker 2: Okay, we disagree. I'm gonna go Purdue barely there and

854
00:46:47,120 --> 00:46:50,200
Speaker 2: then I guess Nebraska, then Minnesota, then Illinois.

855
00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:54,480
Speaker 1: All right, let's very quickly shift our focus to another

856
00:46:54,760 --> 00:47:01,120
Speaker 1: Western oriented division. Yes, same general region of the country

857
00:47:01,160 --> 00:47:04,200
Speaker 1: again using our Netflix comparison. If you like the Big

858
00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:09,360
Speaker 1: ten West, perhaps you might also be interested in the Macwest, Daniel.

859
00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:18,040
Speaker 2: Maybe huh So At first glance, the Macwest is like, well,

860
00:47:18,120 --> 00:47:20,640
Speaker 2: Toledo should be really good. They're more talented than everybody,

861
00:47:20,680 --> 00:47:23,240
Speaker 2: even without Logan Woodside, who threw for a bajillion yards

862
00:47:23,239 --> 00:47:26,560
Speaker 2: and a bajillion touchdowns. It does feel a little like

863
00:47:26,719 --> 00:47:29,879
Speaker 2: Toledo and everybody else, with an asterisk that everybody else

864
00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:34,480
Speaker 2: includes Northern Illinois Defense and then others.

865
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Speaker 1: Yeah, but tie.

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00:47:38,200 --> 00:47:42,919
Speaker 2: The year was nineteen ninety nine. It was a very

867
00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:51,440
Speaker 2: different world geopolitically, culturally, especially on the big screen time technologically. Sure,

868
00:47:52,520 --> 00:47:58,240
Speaker 2: the movie was She's All that Freddy Prince Junior yep,

869
00:47:58,680 --> 00:48:01,080
Speaker 2: the adorable and charming Rachel Lee Cook.

870
00:48:01,040 --> 00:48:02,560
Speaker 1: An unforgettable performance.

871
00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:06,640
Speaker 2: By the way, the cast of this movie is maybe

872
00:48:06,680 --> 00:48:10,320
Speaker 2: the most nineties cast of any movie. Matthew Lillard, Paul Walker,

873
00:48:10,440 --> 00:48:14,560
Speaker 2: Jody len O'Keeffe Don't slip On, Jody len O'Keeffe, Anna Paquin,

874
00:48:14,719 --> 00:48:21,279
Speaker 2: Kieran Culkin, Usher Lil Kim, and Gabrielle Union. Wow, this

875
00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:23,640
Speaker 2: is a heavyweight cast. And I bring up the movie

876
00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:26,719
Speaker 2: She's All That because it is ridiculous, because from the

877
00:48:26,760 --> 00:48:30,400
Speaker 2: moment it begins, Rachel Lee Cook is charming and adorable

878
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:34,480
Speaker 2: and good looking, and they merely take off her glasses

879
00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:40,680
Speaker 2: and she goes from trash to treasure. So I went

880
00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:44,760
Speaker 2: looked at these teams in the Macwest, and as it turns.

881
00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:47,719
Speaker 1: Out, Tie, I know where you're going.

882
00:48:48,040 --> 00:48:52,200
Speaker 2: We have a theme, Yeah, from trash to treasure, and

883
00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:57,000
Speaker 2: we just have to figure out who's taken those glasses off. Okay,

884
00:48:57,440 --> 00:49:02,279
Speaker 2: So twenty thirteen, Western Michigan, eleven, twenty sixteen, twelve and zero,

885
00:49:03,080 --> 00:49:07,560
Speaker 2: twenty fifteen, Eastern Michigan one and eleven, twenty sixteen, seven

886
00:49:07,560 --> 00:49:11,080
Speaker 2: and five, two thousand and seven, Northern Illinois. I want

887
00:49:11,080 --> 00:49:14,879
Speaker 2: to say it's a retired coach's final season two and ten,

888
00:49:15,480 --> 00:49:19,400
Speaker 2: twenty twelve, the Orange Bowl eleven and one, two thousand

889
00:49:19,400 --> 00:49:22,720
Speaker 2: and nine, Toledo five and seven. Six years later, new coach,

890
00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:25,839
Speaker 2: new coach is Matt Campbell and Jason Kandall. Toledo goes

891
00:49:25,880 --> 00:49:29,400
Speaker 2: to nine and two in twenty fifteen. Finally, Ball State

892
00:49:29,719 --> 00:49:32,600
Speaker 2: two and ten. We had somebody on the subreddit say,

893
00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:34,439
Speaker 2: can't wait to hear what they have to say about

894
00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:40,719
Speaker 2: ball State same two thousand and nine, Ball State two

895
00:49:40,760 --> 00:49:44,279
Speaker 2: and ten, twenty thirteen, ball State ten and two. This

896
00:49:44,640 --> 00:49:48,920
Speaker 2: is the She's all That division of college football, and

897
00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:52,480
Speaker 2: you can't convince me otherwise. The only question is who

898
00:49:53,320 --> 00:49:54,600
Speaker 2: is all that?

899
00:49:54,880 --> 00:49:57,440
Speaker 1: Was there a back to the future kind of time

900
00:49:57,600 --> 00:50:00,600
Speaker 1: jumping component in She's All That? Because I caught a

901
00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:03,680
Speaker 1: little bit of that there in your there. I don't

902
00:50:03,680 --> 00:50:05,920
Speaker 1: even know you were jumping around from two thousand and

903
00:50:06,080 --> 00:50:07,120
Speaker 1: nine to two thousan.

904
00:50:08,680 --> 00:50:11,400
Speaker 2: All of these teams because Central Michigan is dead to

905
00:50:11,400 --> 00:50:12,760
Speaker 2: me for what they did to me in two thousand

906
00:50:12,760 --> 00:50:17,040
Speaker 2: and eight, and Northern Illinois is I mean, I mentioned that,

907
00:50:17,160 --> 00:50:19,879
Speaker 2: but they've been consistently pretty good under Rod Kerry. All

908
00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:22,560
Speaker 2: of these teams have had low and high points.

909
00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:24,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, I got pretty.

910
00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:29,960
Speaker 2: Quickly, so just gotta take those glasses off again. Toledo

911
00:50:30,120 --> 00:50:33,840
Speaker 2: is the favorite. Yeah, but I am going to say

912
00:50:35,160 --> 00:50:37,680
Speaker 2: I don't feel good about she's all adding ball state

913
00:50:37,719 --> 00:50:43,520
Speaker 2: this year. But they'll be healthier and that's better. It's

914
00:50:43,560 --> 00:50:47,080
Speaker 2: a shame that broken Roeback is gone for Eastern Eastern

915
00:50:47,080 --> 00:50:51,239
Speaker 2: Michigan stay and they're still a good comeback story they've been.

916
00:50:51,280 --> 00:50:53,000
Speaker 2: You know, they were really awful. They won one or

917
00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:57,000
Speaker 2: two games for like five straight years. If there is

918
00:50:57,160 --> 00:50:59,640
Speaker 2: a team to knock off Toledo, I think it is

919
00:50:59,680 --> 00:51:02,960
Speaker 2: Sutton Smith, who is one thousand percent of dude and

920
00:51:03,120 --> 00:51:07,160
Speaker 2: very please play it, very angry. Ah.

921
00:51:07,680 --> 00:51:11,240
Speaker 1: I would also add that Western Michigan is still rowing

922
00:51:11,239 --> 00:51:11,600
Speaker 1: the boat.

923
00:51:12,320 --> 00:51:13,400
Speaker 2: They're still rowing the boat.

924
00:51:13,640 --> 00:51:17,120
Speaker 1: They're still very feisty, They're okay at quarterback, they're recruiting

925
00:51:17,160 --> 00:51:21,640
Speaker 1: somewhat decently well. Yeah, Western Michigan is in an okay

926
00:51:21,680 --> 00:51:22,439
Speaker 1: place right now.

927
00:51:23,040 --> 00:51:26,600
Speaker 2: So medium term, I won't say short term twenty eighteen,

928
00:51:27,440 --> 00:51:30,640
Speaker 2: but somebody's gonna Freddy Prince the hell out of the

929
00:51:30,680 --> 00:51:33,520
Speaker 2: Mac from this division and I can't wait to see who.

930
00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:37,320
Speaker 2: All Right, good movie, not bad, yeah.

931
00:51:37,200 --> 00:51:40,480
Speaker 1: Not bad? So there you go, Dan, Yeah, Western themed

932
00:51:40,560 --> 00:51:45,120
Speaker 1: evening here on the podcast, starting in the Big ten West,

933
00:51:45,480 --> 00:51:51,040
Speaker 1: closing out with the Macwest, and moving forward now into

934
00:51:51,320 --> 00:51:54,520
Speaker 1: a new era of the summertime, a new era of

935
00:51:54,560 --> 00:51:58,319
Speaker 1: the preseason for us here on the podcast. Starting this

936
00:51:58,440 --> 00:52:02,520
Speaker 1: coming Sunday, we will be releasing two shows week.

937
00:52:02,920 --> 00:52:05,920
Speaker 2: Oh my god, Tie, it feels so real.

938
00:52:06,200 --> 00:52:09,560
Speaker 1: We've actually planned all this out for the first time ever,

939
00:52:09,640 --> 00:52:11,600
Speaker 1: the first time in ten years of doing the show

940
00:52:12,280 --> 00:52:15,360
Speaker 1: that we've charted a path forward and we've got a

941
00:52:15,360 --> 00:52:17,520
Speaker 1: new point now where we believe if we do two

942
00:52:17,520 --> 00:52:19,279
Speaker 1: shows week between now and the start of the year,

943
00:52:19,880 --> 00:52:22,440
Speaker 1: we will not only have enough preview content to do it,

944
00:52:22,920 --> 00:52:24,799
Speaker 1: but we'll also be able to fit in some other

945
00:52:24,800 --> 00:52:27,400
Speaker 1: fun stuff along the way, like our Fantasy Things live show,

946
00:52:27,880 --> 00:52:31,319
Speaker 1: which we'll be dropping on the podcast audio feed at

947
00:52:31,320 --> 00:52:34,840
Speaker 1: some point following our live show again out in Chicago

948
00:52:34,840 --> 00:52:39,160
Speaker 1: August the eleventh. Soliverbletickets, dot Com tickets still available. We're

949
00:52:39,200 --> 00:52:43,360
Speaker 1: also planning a really fun show with our friend Bill Barnwell.

950
00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:48,480
Speaker 1: It's turned into like a summertime a summertime staple where

951
00:52:48,560 --> 00:52:51,240
Speaker 1: we talk about something fun. Two years ago was Emo.

952
00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:54,000
Speaker 1: Last year it was video.

953
00:52:53,719 --> 00:52:55,520
Speaker 2: Games, sports, video games. Yeah.

954
00:52:55,640 --> 00:53:00,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, This year, what did we decide on nineties something.

955
00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:04,480
Speaker 2: It's yeah, it's sort of a chilly at stew of

956
00:53:04,640 --> 00:53:08,480
Speaker 2: nineties stuff that we've discussed. Possibly it will have to

957
00:53:08,520 --> 00:53:11,960
Speaker 2: do with the online and pop culture world of the

958
00:53:12,040 --> 00:53:15,600
Speaker 2: nineties and who we were as like fifteen thirteen to

959
00:53:15,680 --> 00:53:19,239
Speaker 2: fifteen year olds, and probably not a super flattering way

960
00:53:19,239 --> 00:53:19,799
Speaker 2: for any of them.

961
00:53:19,840 --> 00:53:23,240
Speaker 1: No, no, definitely not. Well, we're gonna have that show

962
00:53:23,280 --> 00:53:26,880
Speaker 1: in there woven in somewhere as well. There'll be Q

963
00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:29,239
Speaker 1: and a's and a bunch of other fun stuff as

964
00:53:29,239 --> 00:53:33,759
Speaker 1: we plod forward now through July, throughout August, previewing conferences,

965
00:53:33,800 --> 00:53:37,240
Speaker 1: previewing divisions, talking about other fun stuff here and there,

966
00:53:37,680 --> 00:53:39,360
Speaker 1: But before you know, it will be the season end

967
00:53:39,400 --> 00:53:45,360
Speaker 1: of August. So yeah, a little sixpence none the richer.

968
00:53:45,880 --> 00:53:50,080
Speaker 2: I feel this in my heart right now. Okay, Ti,

969
00:53:50,440 --> 00:53:52,880
Speaker 2: it's been an absolute presate pleasure talking about not just

970
00:53:52,920 --> 00:53:57,240
Speaker 2: the Big ten West, but the Macwest and Freddie Prince Jr. Yes,

971
00:53:57,880 --> 00:54:01,319
Speaker 2: I appreciate your time. Oh there she is.

972
00:54:03,560 --> 00:54:05,200
Speaker 1: It's a very weird wed to close the show.

973
00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:07,760
Speaker 2: It's been like twenty years since that movie.

974
00:54:07,960 --> 00:54:09,800
Speaker 1: Oh God, we are ancient.

975
00:54:09,880 --> 00:54:11,920
Speaker 2: Thank you for listening. Solidverbal Tickets dot Com I hope

976
00:54:11,920 --> 00:54:12,920
Speaker 2: to see you in Chetago for.

977
00:54:12,880 --> 00:54:15,520
Speaker 1: That guy over there, my good friend Dan Rubinstein, for myself,

978
00:54:15,560 --> 00:54:18,640
Speaker 1: Tie Hildebrand. Catch you all in just a few short days.

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Speaker 1: In the meantime, stay saw peace,