1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:03,760 Speaker 1: Welcome man our number two Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. 2 00:00:03,840 --> 00:00:06,640 Speaker 1: I'm out here in good old Salt Lake City. Buck 3 00:00:06,920 --> 00:00:10,600 Speaker 1: is in Miami. We are covering the nation as we 4 00:00:10,680 --> 00:00:14,080 Speaker 1: do every single day. We appreciate all of you hanging 5 00:00:14,120 --> 00:00:19,040 Speaker 1: out and listening to us as we power through after 6 00:00:19,239 --> 00:00:22,880 Speaker 1: another crazy weekend and get set for what is likely 7 00:00:22,960 --> 00:00:28,680 Speaker 1: to be another week of Donald Trump indictments. Atlanta next 8 00:00:28,760 --> 00:00:32,599 Speaker 1: up on the roster. As Trump said memorably and one 9 00:00:32,600 --> 00:00:35,640 Speaker 1: of his most recent comments on a public level about 10 00:00:35,680 --> 00:00:41,239 Speaker 1: the indictments, one more guarantees me the election, which is 11 00:00:41,640 --> 00:00:46,520 Speaker 1: interesting to think about. Next week, it's also worth contemplating, 12 00:00:47,040 --> 00:00:51,240 Speaker 1: will be the first Republican presidential debate, and we still 13 00:00:51,320 --> 00:00:54,840 Speaker 1: don't know whether Donald Trump is going to show up. 14 00:00:54,880 --> 00:00:58,800 Speaker 1: I believe that is a Wednesday debate in Milwaukee, Wisconsin. 15 00:00:58,920 --> 00:01:01,200 Speaker 1: I'll be up in Milwaukee next week doing the shows 16 00:01:01,320 --> 00:01:04,160 Speaker 1: multiple days. Got a great event at the Paps Theater 17 00:01:04,360 --> 00:01:09,680 Speaker 1: the night before that debate in the Milwaukee area, So 18 00:01:09,760 --> 00:01:11,240 Speaker 1: I hope a lot of you listening right now in 19 00:01:11,319 --> 00:01:14,960 Speaker 1: Milwaukee will come out for our event on Tuesday night. 20 00:01:15,120 --> 00:01:17,640 Speaker 1: But Buck, we got a lot of topics still to 21 00:01:17,720 --> 00:01:21,960 Speaker 1: talk about. The Nordstrom smash and dash. We have got 22 00:01:22,600 --> 00:01:26,880 Speaker 1: the RFK Junior being attacked by Democrats. What exactly are 23 00:01:26,920 --> 00:01:29,600 Speaker 1: they saying. They're saying that he's a stain on the 24 00:01:29,680 --> 00:01:31,960 Speaker 1: Kennedy name, which we'll talk about a little bit later. 25 00:01:32,280 --> 00:01:36,480 Speaker 1: CNN has brand new anchors for their primetime lineup and 26 00:01:36,680 --> 00:01:40,800 Speaker 1: basically they have decided CNN is dead. I'll share that 27 00:01:40,880 --> 00:01:43,560 Speaker 1: lineup with you here in a little bit, but we 28 00:01:43,640 --> 00:01:45,479 Speaker 1: tease this in the first hour, and I do want 29 00:01:45,480 --> 00:01:47,840 Speaker 1: to hit it here as we get ready for Atlanta. 30 00:01:48,480 --> 00:01:53,320 Speaker 1: The political and also legal consequences that Trump is facing 31 00:01:53,760 --> 00:01:57,280 Speaker 1: in New York City courtrooms, in Washington, d C. Courtrooms, 32 00:01:57,360 --> 00:01:59,760 Speaker 1: in a South Florida courtroom, and soon to be we 33 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:04,000 Speaker 1: leave an Atlanta court room. Where is the danger, where 34 00:02:04,080 --> 00:02:07,480 Speaker 1: is the peril? Where is the political and legal impact? 35 00:02:07,520 --> 00:02:11,840 Speaker 1: And how do you intertwine the two? To me, Buck, 36 00:02:12,240 --> 00:02:16,200 Speaker 1: I do think it's significant and we shouldn't underrate. And 37 00:02:16,240 --> 00:02:19,560 Speaker 1: I haven't heard very many people discussing this. Georgia is 38 00:02:19,600 --> 00:02:25,520 Speaker 1: a toss up state. Georgia, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Arizona. What happens 39 00:02:25,560 --> 00:02:30,240 Speaker 1: in those states? Also, certainly Nevada, New Hampshire, Michigan. There 40 00:02:30,240 --> 00:02:33,080 Speaker 1: are a lot of places out there where this election 41 00:02:33,240 --> 00:02:38,320 Speaker 1: is going to be decided. But purely from a political perspective, 42 00:02:39,240 --> 00:02:41,840 Speaker 1: there is no doubt that there will be an impact 43 00:02:41,880 --> 00:02:46,640 Speaker 1: in having an Atlanta court process underway that is accusing 44 00:02:46,760 --> 00:02:50,359 Speaker 1: Trump of being a felon. And given that the Georgia 45 00:02:50,440 --> 00:02:55,480 Speaker 1: election was decided by around eleven thousand votes, that is, 46 00:02:55,520 --> 00:02:58,399 Speaker 1: if fifty five hundred some odd people voting all over 47 00:02:58,440 --> 00:03:01,520 Speaker 1: the Peach State had decided to vote for Trump instead 48 00:03:01,600 --> 00:03:05,520 Speaker 1: of Biden, Trump would have won that state. I think 49 00:03:05,720 --> 00:03:07,960 Speaker 1: that there is a very good chance Trump will win 50 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:10,880 Speaker 1: the state in twenty four But it's worth noting herschel 51 00:03:10,919 --> 00:03:14,799 Speaker 1: Walker lost to the Reverend Jafail Warnock in twenty twenty two. 52 00:03:14,960 --> 00:03:18,880 Speaker 1: Most of the statewide elected officials in Georgia who were 53 00:03:18,919 --> 00:03:24,639 Speaker 1: Republicans running for reelection one. But could this be significant 54 00:03:24,800 --> 00:03:29,280 Speaker 1: enough to potentially swing the election in Georgia in favor 55 00:03:29,400 --> 00:03:32,800 Speaker 1: of the Democrat Joe Biden or whomever else is running. Yes, 56 00:03:33,200 --> 00:03:35,760 Speaker 1: I think it could be. Buck have you heard anybody 57 00:03:35,800 --> 00:03:39,800 Speaker 1: talking about the political ramifications? Leave aside the legal New 58 00:03:39,880 --> 00:03:43,760 Speaker 1: York City, South Florida and Washington d C. Florida is 59 00:03:43,760 --> 00:03:45,760 Speaker 1: going to be a red state. We know New York's 60 00:03:45,760 --> 00:03:48,000 Speaker 1: going to be a blue state. Washington, d C. Is 61 00:03:48,080 --> 00:03:50,640 Speaker 1: going to vote a Democrat more so than almost any 62 00:03:50,640 --> 00:03:53,960 Speaker 1: community in the country. This is significant in terms of 63 00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:56,240 Speaker 1: what the impact could be in the state of Georgia, 64 00:03:56,440 --> 00:03:59,400 Speaker 1: which is a battleground state that Republicans cannot win the 65 00:03:59,440 --> 00:04:00,920 Speaker 1: White House without winning. 66 00:04:02,160 --> 00:04:04,560 Speaker 2: I think that part of the calculation of all of 67 00:04:04,600 --> 00:04:09,160 Speaker 2: these indictments is that they are effectively going to be 68 00:04:09,920 --> 00:04:13,920 Speaker 2: the Biden campaign. This is the ads people are saying, Ah, 69 00:04:13,960 --> 00:04:16,040 Speaker 2: the Biden economy is not good. Yeah, but it wasn't 70 00:04:16,080 --> 00:04:21,359 Speaker 2: good in twenty twenty two either. You know, we're at 71 00:04:20,640 --> 00:04:27,160 Speaker 2: a roughly fifty to fifty electorate in presidential elections stretching 72 00:04:27,200 --> 00:04:31,520 Speaker 2: back now for a few elections. There's no reason to 73 00:04:31,560 --> 00:04:34,120 Speaker 2: believe this is going to be all that different. And 74 00:04:34,520 --> 00:04:38,000 Speaker 2: I think we have to learn from from mistakes. Republicans believed, 75 00:04:38,440 --> 00:04:42,040 Speaker 2: based on polling and perhaps maybe some wishful thinking, that 76 00:04:42,080 --> 00:04:45,760 Speaker 2: in twenty twenty two, and I put myself in this 77 00:04:45,800 --> 00:04:49,520 Speaker 2: category that the economy, crime, and the border were going 78 00:04:49,560 --> 00:04:55,080 Speaker 2: to be the three big issues. Unfortunately the election twenty 79 00:04:55,120 --> 00:04:58,480 Speaker 2: twenty stuff in twenty twenty two played an outsize role 80 00:04:58,640 --> 00:05:02,600 Speaker 2: in some critical races and then in other places the 81 00:05:02,640 --> 00:05:06,279 Speaker 2: issue of abortion played a prominent role. It wasn't a 82 00:05:06,440 --> 00:05:09,000 Speaker 2: nationwide thing, but it was a state by state thing. 83 00:05:09,040 --> 00:05:12,320 Speaker 2: It definitely hurt let's say, our friend Tutor Dixon, you 84 00:05:12,320 --> 00:05:14,520 Speaker 2: should listen to on the Clay and Buck podcast stream 85 00:05:15,240 --> 00:05:18,400 Speaker 2: in Michigan. I think it hurt Lee Zelden in New York. 86 00:05:19,839 --> 00:05:22,760 Speaker 2: So we need to learn, I think from what we've 87 00:05:22,760 --> 00:05:27,839 Speaker 2: seen in the past and running ads with January sixth 88 00:05:28,040 --> 00:05:32,080 Speaker 2: and the riot and the riot shields and the cops 89 00:05:32,080 --> 00:05:34,480 Speaker 2: and the people and everything else, that's going to be 90 00:05:34,520 --> 00:05:37,360 Speaker 2: their game plan again. Now to all of us, it's 91 00:05:38,080 --> 00:05:40,839 Speaker 2: come on, like, this is crazy, why are they doing this? 92 00:05:41,040 --> 00:05:44,559 Speaker 2: But they are ruthless and they think that this one. 93 00:05:44,640 --> 00:05:46,440 Speaker 2: You're going to add to that now to your point 94 00:05:46,440 --> 00:05:49,039 Speaker 2: about what's going to go on in these states, they're 95 00:05:49,080 --> 00:05:52,560 Speaker 2: going to be saying in Georgia, let let's just extrapolate, 96 00:05:52,640 --> 00:05:54,360 Speaker 2: or let's go into the future a little bit here, 97 00:05:54,680 --> 00:05:56,039 Speaker 2: what kind of ads are they going to run in 98 00:05:56,040 --> 00:05:59,200 Speaker 2: Georgia against? And this is all assuming and it's very 99 00:05:59,200 --> 00:06:02,240 Speaker 2: hard not to just right now, Trump is not necessarily 100 00:06:02,240 --> 00:06:04,520 Speaker 2: the Republican nominee. We all know this. We've got Vivage 101 00:06:04,520 --> 00:06:06,760 Speaker 2: people listening. We got De Santist people listening. There are 102 00:06:06,800 --> 00:06:08,880 Speaker 2: other people listening to the show as well. Trump right 103 00:06:08,920 --> 00:06:12,440 Speaker 2: now is the prohibit is a far and away favorite 104 00:06:12,440 --> 00:06:15,880 Speaker 2: statistically to be the nominee. So we're not saying it's definitive. 105 00:06:15,920 --> 00:06:18,120 Speaker 2: No one can prick the future. But let's say Trump 106 00:06:18,200 --> 00:06:23,680 Speaker 2: is the nominee. They're just going to show in Georgia Trump. 107 00:06:23,760 --> 00:06:25,640 Speaker 2: I mean, it depends on when this really happens, but 108 00:06:26,240 --> 00:06:28,520 Speaker 2: they're going to have clips about the indictment. They're going 109 00:06:28,600 --> 00:06:30,440 Speaker 2: to show Trump if they can walking in and out 110 00:06:30,440 --> 00:06:33,480 Speaker 2: of the courthouse, and that becomes it and for all 111 00:06:33,480 --> 00:06:35,160 Speaker 2: of us we can say, but what about the wide 112 00:06:35,160 --> 00:06:38,360 Speaker 2: open border, what about the crappy economy, what about inflation? 113 00:06:38,480 --> 00:06:42,159 Speaker 2: What about COVID? And they're just going to say this 114 00:06:42,279 --> 00:06:44,800 Speaker 2: is the death of democracy? And does that convince the 115 00:06:44,880 --> 00:06:48,400 Speaker 2: one percent of voters? I mean, Georgia was eleven thousand people, right, 116 00:06:48,520 --> 00:06:51,000 Speaker 2: wasn't that what the difference was? Eleven thousand people? You're 117 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:54,880 Speaker 2: exactly eleven thousand votes. What do we do to try 118 00:06:54,880 --> 00:06:57,480 Speaker 2: to convince those eleven thousand or this time around, you know, 119 00:06:58,000 --> 00:07:00,680 Speaker 2: twenty thousand and thirty thousand more to come to our side. 120 00:07:00,760 --> 00:07:02,240 Speaker 2: I mean, that's what it really I think will come 121 00:07:02,279 --> 00:07:05,360 Speaker 2: down to. So I just see this as it's all 122 00:07:05,360 --> 00:07:07,680 Speaker 2: part of the strategy. It's all political, and that's why 123 00:07:07,680 --> 00:07:10,440 Speaker 2: there's no there's no Biden. What is the Biden campaign? 124 00:07:11,240 --> 00:07:14,200 Speaker 2: What is the Biden economy? Other than not good? You know, 125 00:07:14,400 --> 00:07:17,480 Speaker 2: you look at these things, you say to yourself, it's 126 00:07:17,520 --> 00:07:20,200 Speaker 2: like they're not even trying to make a case about 127 00:07:20,240 --> 00:07:23,720 Speaker 2: Joe Biden being good because the entirety of their case 128 00:07:23,840 --> 00:07:26,200 Speaker 2: is going to be Donald Trump is so bad. 129 00:07:27,160 --> 00:07:30,840 Speaker 1: We had a great gathering Thursday night in Atlanta, buck 130 00:07:32,040 --> 00:07:36,440 Speaker 1: of tons of Republican primarily Jewish voters. That's who I 131 00:07:36,560 --> 00:07:39,960 Speaker 1: was speaking to for part of my American Playbook event, 132 00:07:40,480 --> 00:07:42,800 Speaker 1: and I made everybody in the room grown when I 133 00:07:42,920 --> 00:07:47,000 Speaker 1: said it. But they know the state of Georgia does 134 00:07:47,400 --> 00:07:50,960 Speaker 1: probably better than I'm curious if you would disagree. I 135 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:54,000 Speaker 1: think the state where there has been the most Republican 136 00:07:54,200 --> 00:07:59,440 Speaker 1: inner turmoil is Georgia because Trump got angry at Brian Kemp. 137 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:04,720 Speaker 1: Bryan Kemp and Trump went back and forth. They had 138 00:08:03,160 --> 00:08:10,120 Speaker 1: a governor's primary race that Kemp won overwhelmingly, and then 139 00:08:10,240 --> 00:08:12,720 Speaker 1: Kemp won out, went out and won by seven and 140 00:08:12,760 --> 00:08:15,480 Speaker 1: a half or eight points. Here's what has me nervous 141 00:08:15,520 --> 00:08:20,000 Speaker 1: about Georgia. We lost two races in twenty twenty one, 142 00:08:20,120 --> 00:08:23,440 Speaker 1: runoff races that we should have won. As a result, 143 00:08:23,560 --> 00:08:28,040 Speaker 1: Georgia has two left wing Democrat senators now oss Off 144 00:08:28,880 --> 00:08:32,880 Speaker 1: and Warnock, and we had Brian Kemp go out and 145 00:08:32,920 --> 00:08:36,800 Speaker 1: win a landslide. Everyone running for statewide office who was 146 00:08:36,880 --> 00:08:40,360 Speaker 1: a Republican won in a landslide except herschel Walker lost 147 00:08:40,400 --> 00:08:44,480 Speaker 1: a narrow race. Herschel Walker's directly connected to Trump. And 148 00:08:44,559 --> 00:08:46,360 Speaker 1: I think there were a lot of people in Georgia. 149 00:08:46,400 --> 00:08:48,480 Speaker 1: And by the way, Georgians, you guys way in eight 150 00:08:48,559 --> 00:08:50,760 Speaker 1: hundred and two eight two two eight a two if 151 00:08:50,800 --> 00:08:53,400 Speaker 1: you disagree with my thesis here, I think there are 152 00:08:53,400 --> 00:08:56,400 Speaker 1: a lot of Georgians that hate that they have double 153 00:08:56,880 --> 00:09:00,880 Speaker 1: blue state senators and we have lost three restraight Senate 154 00:09:00,920 --> 00:09:03,880 Speaker 1: elections in the state of Georgia. We went from two 155 00:09:04,040 --> 00:09:07,480 Speaker 1: red state senators to two blue state senators and we 156 00:09:07,520 --> 00:09:11,959 Speaker 1: have lost. That's basically the result. We spent trillions of dollars. 157 00:09:12,200 --> 00:09:14,840 Speaker 2: We have to ask a question why, yes, you know, 158 00:09:15,559 --> 00:09:17,920 Speaker 2: does anyone want to propose a theory? A lot of 159 00:09:17,920 --> 00:09:19,640 Speaker 2: people don't want to hear what some of the theories 160 00:09:19,679 --> 00:09:21,640 Speaker 2: are out there. Why do we lose those Senate seats 161 00:09:21,640 --> 00:09:24,920 Speaker 2: in Georgia? Why do we lose Georgia in twenty twenty? 162 00:09:26,000 --> 00:09:29,280 Speaker 2: This is you know, this is ke somehow Kemp is 163 00:09:29,280 --> 00:09:31,880 Speaker 2: a Republican. He can win in Georgia, no problem. He 164 00:09:32,400 --> 00:09:35,199 Speaker 2: can crush the comp So so the cheating that we're 165 00:09:35,240 --> 00:09:38,280 Speaker 2: all told is going on doesn't apply to Kemp, doesn't 166 00:09:38,280 --> 00:09:41,480 Speaker 2: apply to other Republicans. There's something going on there, folks. 167 00:09:41,559 --> 00:09:43,240 Speaker 2: We've got to be honest about what's happening. 168 00:09:43,800 --> 00:09:49,719 Speaker 1: By almost eight Brian Kemp did buck against a probably 169 00:09:49,840 --> 00:09:53,760 Speaker 1: best funded governor's candidate of all Democrats that was running 170 00:09:53,800 --> 00:09:57,280 Speaker 1: as a non incumbent in Stacy Abrams. He barely beat 171 00:09:57,320 --> 00:10:01,199 Speaker 1: Stacy Abrams by fifty thousand votes in a eighteen. He 172 00:10:01,240 --> 00:10:04,880 Speaker 1: came back in twenty two and he swamped her. He 173 00:10:04,960 --> 00:10:08,800 Speaker 1: absolutely crushed her in that race. So we're talking about 174 00:10:08,840 --> 00:10:12,120 Speaker 1: a seven and a half point win for Brian Kemp, 175 00:10:12,679 --> 00:10:16,360 Speaker 1: nearly eight points, not even close in Georgia. And this 176 00:10:16,400 --> 00:10:18,600 Speaker 1: is what I said at the meeting. I said, look, 177 00:10:18,640 --> 00:10:21,600 Speaker 1: here's what I'm gonna tell Trump this too. I understand 178 00:10:21,640 --> 00:10:24,440 Speaker 1: that he and Brian Kemp are feuding. If I were 179 00:10:24,480 --> 00:10:28,120 Speaker 1: Donald Trump and I truly won, billion percent, all I 180 00:10:28,160 --> 00:10:31,160 Speaker 1: cared about was winning, I would pick Brian Kemp as 181 00:10:31,200 --> 00:10:34,520 Speaker 1: my running mate. I one hundred percent would that takes 182 00:10:34,559 --> 00:10:40,280 Speaker 1: Georgia off the board. But instead you're gonna see charges 183 00:10:40,360 --> 00:10:44,880 Speaker 1: brought against Kemp, brought against Trump in Brian Kemp state 184 00:10:44,920 --> 00:10:49,240 Speaker 1: of Georgia, and it's going to be buck, really hard, 185 00:10:50,120 --> 00:10:55,920 Speaker 1: brass knuckles down to the final wire, I think in Georgia. 186 00:10:56,200 --> 00:10:57,000 Speaker 2: Whereas if you. 187 00:10:56,960 --> 00:11:00,520 Speaker 1: Put Brian Kemp on the ticket, I think even Democrats 188 00:11:00,559 --> 00:11:01,439 Speaker 1: would say, yeah. 189 00:11:01,240 --> 00:11:02,040 Speaker 2: We're gonna lose. 190 00:11:02,400 --> 00:11:04,360 Speaker 1: Brian Kemp delivers Georgia. 191 00:11:04,400 --> 00:11:05,240 Speaker 2: Why does this matter? 192 00:11:05,280 --> 00:11:09,120 Speaker 1: Buck, All you have to do then is win Arizona 193 00:11:09,640 --> 00:11:13,240 Speaker 1: and one Midwest state and Trump wins the election. And 194 00:11:13,280 --> 00:11:16,120 Speaker 1: by the way, if Trump's not the nominee, let's say 195 00:11:16,120 --> 00:11:19,160 Speaker 1: it's DeSantis, Let's say it's a Vivake. Let's say it's 196 00:11:19,400 --> 00:11:23,200 Speaker 1: Nikki Haley or Tim Scott, whoever won the nominee. My 197 00:11:23,360 --> 00:11:26,160 Speaker 1: number one draft pick right now to BVP would be 198 00:11:26,200 --> 00:11:30,720 Speaker 1: Brian Kemp because he takes Georgia off the board. And 199 00:11:30,800 --> 00:11:33,360 Speaker 1: if you can take a state off the board, you 200 00:11:33,440 --> 00:11:35,520 Speaker 1: only have to then add two because I don't tell 201 00:11:35,559 --> 00:11:37,720 Speaker 1: me if I'm wrong, Buck, what other state are. 202 00:11:37,559 --> 00:11:38,280 Speaker 2: You going to lose? 203 00:11:38,520 --> 00:11:41,680 Speaker 1: I don't think that Republicans. Maybe North Carolina you have 204 00:11:41,720 --> 00:11:44,040 Speaker 1: to be a little bit concerned about. I don't think 205 00:11:44,080 --> 00:11:48,480 Speaker 1: Republicans are going to lose any red state that we 206 00:11:48,600 --> 00:11:52,000 Speaker 1: won in twenty twenty. So you have to flip. I 207 00:11:52,000 --> 00:11:54,360 Speaker 1: don't think you're gonna lose any in your base. You 208 00:11:54,480 --> 00:11:57,679 Speaker 1: take Georgia off the board, go spend one hundred million 209 00:11:57,720 --> 00:12:01,040 Speaker 1: dollars in Wisconsin, Go spend a hundred dred million dollars 210 00:12:01,120 --> 00:12:01,880 Speaker 1: in Arizona. 211 00:12:02,240 --> 00:12:05,320 Speaker 2: You win. That's it. That's the math that this would 212 00:12:05,360 --> 00:12:10,840 Speaker 2: all require Trump being willing to say to Camp, Hey, man, 213 00:12:10,880 --> 00:12:13,480 Speaker 2: I need you to get this done. Do you have 214 00:12:13,520 --> 00:12:16,720 Speaker 2: any faith or any belief or any inclination that he 215 00:12:16,760 --> 00:12:17,160 Speaker 2: will do that. 216 00:12:18,760 --> 00:12:20,560 Speaker 1: I don't, but I'm going to argue it to him, 217 00:12:20,880 --> 00:12:22,600 Speaker 1: and I understand you can be Oh, you should tell 218 00:12:22,679 --> 00:12:25,840 Speaker 1: him like direct week. You're gonna say him Thursday. Yes, 219 00:12:25,840 --> 00:12:28,760 Speaker 1: I'm gonna see him Thursday, and I'm gonna say, mister President, 220 00:12:29,320 --> 00:12:31,679 Speaker 1: all I care about is winning. And you know what, 221 00:12:32,040 --> 00:12:34,880 Speaker 1: to his credit, I give a lot of credit to Trump. 222 00:12:34,960 --> 00:12:37,200 Speaker 1: He's been willing to overlook a lot of people who've 223 00:12:37,240 --> 00:12:39,679 Speaker 1: said very negative things about him. He put a lot 224 00:12:39,679 --> 00:12:43,080 Speaker 1: of those people in his cabinet because he was looking 225 00:12:43,120 --> 00:12:45,640 Speaker 1: for the best man or woman in his opinion to 226 00:12:45,679 --> 00:12:49,000 Speaker 1: put into that cabinet. It wasn't just all people who 227 00:12:49,080 --> 00:12:51,839 Speaker 1: loved him from the moment he came down that escalator 228 00:12:51,840 --> 00:12:54,480 Speaker 1: in Trump Tower in twenty fifteen. He picked a lot 229 00:12:54,520 --> 00:12:56,640 Speaker 1: of people that said very negative things about him. 230 00:12:56,720 --> 00:13:00,160 Speaker 2: He's very good at he's very good at allowing people 231 00:13:00,360 --> 00:13:04,760 Speaker 2: or he's even gracious at opening up the pathway for 232 00:13:04,840 --> 00:13:07,480 Speaker 2: people to come back to him when they have gone 233 00:13:07,520 --> 00:13:10,880 Speaker 2: against him politically in some way. You know, the door 234 00:13:10,960 --> 00:13:13,680 Speaker 2: to the Trump tent tends to remain open to people, 235 00:13:14,080 --> 00:13:16,320 Speaker 2: whether it's in the primary or when he was in office, 236 00:13:16,360 --> 00:13:19,480 Speaker 2: whatever the case may be. The Kemp situation is a 237 00:13:19,520 --> 00:13:24,120 Speaker 2: little different. It's a little different. Forget it. It's not 238 00:13:24,200 --> 00:13:26,320 Speaker 2: opening the door for Kemp. It's Kemp opening the door 239 00:13:26,320 --> 00:13:29,280 Speaker 2: for Trump. It's a two way, right, and Kemp would 240 00:13:29,360 --> 00:13:30,160 Speaker 2: have to be willing. 241 00:13:30,200 --> 00:13:33,160 Speaker 1: But to his credit, Kemp said throughout the whole campaign, 242 00:13:33,360 --> 00:13:35,640 Speaker 1: I'm not mad at him, he's mad at me. And 243 00:13:35,720 --> 00:13:38,199 Speaker 1: while Kemp may not want Trump to be the nominee, 244 00:13:38,240 --> 00:13:41,400 Speaker 1: he might like somebody else. That's certainly fine. If Trump 245 00:13:41,480 --> 00:13:43,240 Speaker 1: ends up the nominee, and as you said, he's a 246 00:13:43,280 --> 00:13:47,120 Speaker 1: prohibitive favor. Right now, does Brian Kemp want another four 247 00:13:47,240 --> 00:13:51,239 Speaker 1: years of Joe Biden? Or does he want a Republican 248 00:13:51,240 --> 00:13:55,120 Speaker 1: in the White House? To me being willing to run 249 00:13:55,160 --> 00:14:00,839 Speaker 1: as Trump's VP, he's already got the governorship. He's term 250 00:14:00,920 --> 00:14:03,160 Speaker 1: limited out, so in twenty twenty six he wouldn't be 251 00:14:03,160 --> 00:14:05,520 Speaker 1: able to run anymore. That's the best ticket. 252 00:14:05,760 --> 00:14:05,960 Speaker 2: Now. 253 00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:07,480 Speaker 1: You can make a case to me, some of you 254 00:14:07,559 --> 00:14:10,800 Speaker 1: out there, Glenn Youngkin, if you thought Glenn Youngkin could 255 00:14:10,880 --> 00:14:14,560 Speaker 1: deliver Virginia, that changes the political calculus. But I know 256 00:14:15,200 --> 00:14:17,959 Speaker 1: one billion percent that if Brian Kemp's on the ticket, 257 00:14:18,000 --> 00:14:18,920 Speaker 1: he delivers Georgia. 258 00:14:19,600 --> 00:14:22,560 Speaker 2: I think he's gonna pick Cary Lake. Thanks what he's 259 00:14:22,560 --> 00:14:22,960 Speaker 2: gonna do? 260 00:14:23,320 --> 00:14:25,200 Speaker 1: I like Carry Lake. Let's talk about that when we 261 00:14:25,240 --> 00:14:31,280 Speaker 1: come back. 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Georgia appears set to 290 00:16:26,960 --> 00:16:34,320 Speaker 2: file legal action against former President Donald Trump. Charges include racketeering, conspiracy, 291 00:16:34,560 --> 00:16:39,040 Speaker 2: and false statements, according to a court document. Okay, Clay, 292 00:16:39,080 --> 00:16:42,120 Speaker 2: that's the part of this that that seems to indicate 293 00:16:42,240 --> 00:16:48,240 Speaker 2: that somebody inside that courthouse has seen a document with 294 00:16:48,360 --> 00:16:50,520 Speaker 2: the charges on it and. 295 00:16:50,680 --> 00:16:52,920 Speaker 1: Up, you've got more, I've got yeah, I've got to here. 296 00:16:53,480 --> 00:16:59,440 Speaker 1: The court accidentally briefly published this on their page and 297 00:16:59,480 --> 00:17:03,440 Speaker 1: then moved it, so this may have been an early preview, 298 00:17:03,480 --> 00:17:07,320 Speaker 1: and I'm reading from Reuters. The Fulton County, Georgia Courts 299 00:17:07,400 --> 00:17:12,560 Speaker 1: website briefly posted a document appearing to detail several criminal 300 00:17:12,640 --> 00:17:17,240 Speaker 1: charges against Trump on Monday, before taking the document down 301 00:17:17,440 --> 00:17:23,040 Speaker 1: without explanation. The document was dated August fourteenth, named Trump 302 00:17:23,800 --> 00:17:28,119 Speaker 1: no longer available on the website. But this is not 303 00:17:28,240 --> 00:17:30,800 Speaker 1: a surprise, buck right. A lot of times you upload 304 00:17:30,880 --> 00:17:35,000 Speaker 1: documents and you aren't intending for them to be fully released, 305 00:17:35,359 --> 00:17:38,840 Speaker 1: And it sounds like they may have accidentally published as 306 00:17:38,920 --> 00:17:42,359 Speaker 1: much as maybe this is coming down later today, But 307 00:17:42,440 --> 00:17:45,679 Speaker 1: again this is from Reuters. They published the charges that 308 00:17:45,720 --> 00:17:50,160 Speaker 1: they potentially would be bringing against Trump, and now they've 309 00:17:50,160 --> 00:17:52,040 Speaker 1: pulled it back off the website. But I think this 310 00:17:52,080 --> 00:17:54,520 Speaker 1: is an early preview likely of what exactly is coming. 311 00:17:55,680 --> 00:17:57,720 Speaker 1: Let's talk about this racketeering. 312 00:17:58,240 --> 00:17:59,679 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the one that's going to get a lot 313 00:17:59,680 --> 00:18:02,199 Speaker 2: of a ten conspiracy false statements. We knew that was 314 00:18:02,200 --> 00:18:02,720 Speaker 2: going to happen. 315 00:18:03,520 --> 00:18:07,600 Speaker 1: Innovation Refunds help thousands of small businesses with their ERC 316 00:18:07,680 --> 00:18:11,000 Speaker 1: tax refunds. 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So Reuter's report is 332 00:19:14,800 --> 00:19:20,200 Speaker 1: based on, as we were reading, the accidental potential publication 333 00:19:20,600 --> 00:19:26,560 Speaker 1: of charges against Trump before the grand jury has actually 334 00:19:26,680 --> 00:19:28,440 Speaker 1: potentially levied. 335 00:19:28,040 --> 00:19:29,479 Speaker 2: Those charges against Trump. 336 00:19:31,320 --> 00:19:35,560 Speaker 1: Maybe it's also possible that there have already been those 337 00:19:35,640 --> 00:19:39,840 Speaker 1: charges levied by the grand jury and that they were 338 00:19:39,880 --> 00:19:43,879 Speaker 1: planning on announcing them today. Because the date on that, 339 00:19:44,080 --> 00:19:48,080 Speaker 1: if I'm not mistaken Buck, according to the Reuters story, 340 00:19:48,880 --> 00:19:53,240 Speaker 1: was the fourteenth, So it is what now it is 341 00:19:53,359 --> 00:19:58,320 Speaker 1: moving up on one thirty east coast time. Maybe they 342 00:19:58,320 --> 00:20:01,639 Speaker 1: are planning on an announcement in some way and that 343 00:20:01,840 --> 00:20:05,199 Speaker 1: just got bumped up a little bit earlier. This is 344 00:20:05,240 --> 00:20:10,000 Speaker 1: not uncommon that things like this happen. I would lose 345 00:20:10,080 --> 00:20:14,040 Speaker 1: my mind, and I bet Fanny Willis, the prosecutor, is 346 00:20:14,119 --> 00:20:18,919 Speaker 1: as well, because if she's already drafted all of the 347 00:20:19,040 --> 00:20:24,160 Speaker 1: charges against Trump before the grand jury even indicts him, 348 00:20:24,800 --> 00:20:28,959 Speaker 1: and then you've already published it, that's a mess. And 349 00:20:29,480 --> 00:20:33,360 Speaker 1: they're probably legal scholars out there who may have had 350 00:20:33,400 --> 00:20:36,399 Speaker 1: an experience with that, but it's a big no no. 351 00:20:36,640 --> 00:20:42,760 Speaker 1: I can't ever recall a situation like this occurring. That's 352 00:20:42,800 --> 00:20:43,240 Speaker 1: a mess. 353 00:20:43,840 --> 00:20:45,360 Speaker 2: So that is out. 354 00:20:45,160 --> 00:20:48,960 Speaker 1: There, and we will be following and updating you on 355 00:20:49,240 --> 00:20:52,600 Speaker 1: all of this as it continues to track. But Buck, 356 00:20:52,720 --> 00:20:56,439 Speaker 1: this is I'm if I'm Fanny Willis. It makes her 357 00:20:56,520 --> 00:21:01,040 Speaker 1: office look incompetent. And the fact that you would publish 358 00:21:01,119 --> 00:21:05,720 Speaker 1: and then take down charges against Trump, and they're probably 359 00:21:05,760 --> 00:21:08,040 Speaker 1: going to argue that it's some sort of tech glitch 360 00:21:08,440 --> 00:21:12,160 Speaker 1: I've only seen. I've never seen this in the court context. 361 00:21:12,560 --> 00:21:14,560 Speaker 1: This is going back in time. Some of you may 362 00:21:14,600 --> 00:21:19,439 Speaker 1: remember this back in the day when they were adding 363 00:21:19,480 --> 00:21:23,760 Speaker 1: Missouri as a Southeastern Conference team. The entire article was 364 00:21:23,800 --> 00:21:27,960 Speaker 1: written on the SEC website and it was uncovered before 365 00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:31,440 Speaker 1: they had done it. So there are sometimes these staging 366 00:21:31,560 --> 00:21:36,160 Speaker 1: pages that are inadvertently made public. Doesn't happen very often, 367 00:21:36,280 --> 00:21:39,480 Speaker 1: and it should never happen in a criminal context. So 368 00:21:40,440 --> 00:21:43,359 Speaker 1: the racketeering charge here is fascinating to me because you 369 00:21:43,800 --> 00:21:46,720 Speaker 1: usually think about and this has been reported on for 370 00:21:46,800 --> 00:21:51,040 Speaker 1: months and it just appeared in this flash indictment. That's like, oh, sorry, 371 00:21:51,080 --> 00:21:53,320 Speaker 1: that's not actually the indictment. This is the reporting that 372 00:21:53,320 --> 00:21:56,960 Speaker 1: we have now on what just happened, would you Clay 373 00:21:57,000 --> 00:21:58,480 Speaker 1: gives me this look at his face, I'm like, oh wait, 374 00:21:58,520 --> 00:22:00,640 Speaker 1: there's more. There's a more breaking user. I mean, it's 375 00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:03,160 Speaker 1: just I mean, I want to wait because there's as 376 00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:06,960 Speaker 1: you can well imagine, when somebody accidentally publishes something on 377 00:22:07,119 --> 00:22:10,480 Speaker 1: the Internet and the Internet is just running like crazy 378 00:22:10,520 --> 00:22:12,359 Speaker 1: with it. So I'm trying to do some research to 379 00:22:12,440 --> 00:22:14,800 Speaker 1: figure out what's true and what's false and make sure 380 00:22:14,840 --> 00:22:18,280 Speaker 1: we only share accurate information. So so far, let's just 381 00:22:18,359 --> 00:22:21,159 Speaker 1: stick with the report is out there. It was up 382 00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:24,240 Speaker 1: on the website. Reuters has found it now they've taken 383 00:22:24,280 --> 00:22:26,160 Speaker 1: it down. Just for people out there trying to follow. 384 00:22:26,520 --> 00:22:29,639 Speaker 2: Is why you guys should subscribe to Clayton Buck, you know, YouTube, 385 00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:31,760 Speaker 2: so you can see when we're Because Clay has a 386 00:22:31,760 --> 00:22:33,760 Speaker 2: breaking news face, I can look at it. He doesn't 387 00:22:33,760 --> 00:22:35,200 Speaker 2: have to say to them, oh we got breaking news. 388 00:22:35,240 --> 00:22:38,440 Speaker 2: Like look at Clay's face. It shows up. So let 389 00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:41,040 Speaker 2: me tell you the racketeering thing. I looked into this 390 00:22:41,119 --> 00:22:46,399 Speaker 2: because that is remember, you know, racketeering is something you 391 00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:51,280 Speaker 2: generally hear about in the context of an ongoing protection racket, 392 00:22:51,320 --> 00:22:53,440 Speaker 2: for example with the mafia, or they say, hey, nice 393 00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:55,600 Speaker 2: story you got there, be ashamed if something happened to it. 394 00:22:55,840 --> 00:22:57,399 Speaker 2: You do that to a couple of stores, you do 395 00:22:57,480 --> 00:23:01,200 Speaker 2: with the twenty stores or businesses, you make them pay racketeering? 396 00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:03,920 Speaker 2: You got a problem there, right. This is something that 397 00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:07,560 Speaker 2: that's where you generally hear about it. People have also, 398 00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:12,359 Speaker 2: I think, talked about a possible RICO component to this 399 00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:15,160 Speaker 2: as well, which is related to what's that the Racketeering 400 00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:19,280 Speaker 2: Influence Corrupt Organization Act, which you may have heard about 401 00:23:19,359 --> 00:23:23,600 Speaker 2: in the second Christopher Nolan Batman movie. That's the big 402 00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:26,840 Speaker 2: like legal moment, remember that where where he's like. 403 00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:30,520 Speaker 1: Such a good The whole Christopher Nolan Batman trilogy is 404 00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:34,520 Speaker 1: I think the best of all the superhero like entire I. 405 00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:36,639 Speaker 2: Would would I would stand behind that. I would support 406 00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:38,480 Speaker 2: that one too. I actually think the first one is 407 00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:40,720 Speaker 2: the best movie, even though Heath Ledger's performance in the 408 00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:43,320 Speaker 2: second one is the best single performance of any of them. 409 00:23:43,359 --> 00:23:46,720 Speaker 2: But anyway, we get back here to the racketeering in Georgia. 410 00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:49,560 Speaker 2: There's a state and I remember this from when we 411 00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:52,240 Speaker 2: used to do terrorism cases in New York at the NYPD. 412 00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:57,960 Speaker 2: They're often state companion laws to federal laws, which gets 413 00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:02,840 Speaker 2: a little funky. But Georgia has a racketeering statute that 414 00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:07,320 Speaker 2: allows for a very broad interpretation of what could be 415 00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:12,600 Speaker 2: considered racketeering. So here it's any attempt to solicit or 416 00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:17,680 Speaker 2: coerce qualifying crimes can be part of racketeering, even if 417 00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:22,359 Speaker 2: those crimes cannot be indicted separately. So you get to 418 00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:25,240 Speaker 2: sort of stick all these things together and say the 419 00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:28,680 Speaker 2: ends of this was corrupt, int illegal, and so all 420 00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:30,920 Speaker 2: the talking to these different people that try to get 421 00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:35,200 Speaker 2: them to do this corrupt, illegal thing constitutes racketeering under 422 00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:39,200 Speaker 2: Georgia state law. I'm just getting into this because they're 423 00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:41,119 Speaker 2: they're really this is kind of what we see in 424 00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:45,960 Speaker 2: New York. They're trying to really shoehorn the activity here 425 00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:51,639 Speaker 2: into the scariest sounding criminal charge they can, even though 426 00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:54,800 Speaker 2: the lawyers can't even really make sense of this. 427 00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:57,600 Speaker 1: What do you got, Clay, Well, I just think and 428 00:24:57,640 --> 00:24:59,960 Speaker 1: I'm still tracking on this other aspect, but I do. 429 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:04,680 Speaker 1: I think everybody needs to understand Trump. This is more 430 00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:09,080 Speaker 1: perilous than the New York City case. And remember Trump 431 00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:13,040 Speaker 1: can't pardon himself from these cases New York City and 432 00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:16,280 Speaker 1: Atlanta in the event that they are filed. So a 433 00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:19,000 Speaker 1: lot of people out there, including us, have been focused 434 00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:22,800 Speaker 1: on Okay, if Trump wins the election, he can pardon himself. 435 00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:27,920 Speaker 1: In the South Florida case and in the Washington d c. Cases, 436 00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:32,760 Speaker 1: those are federal charges. Therefore the United States, the president 437 00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:36,560 Speaker 1: has the ability to pardon himself. This is a big 438 00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:40,080 Speaker 1: deal and I'm not hearing a lot of discussion about it. 439 00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:44,680 Speaker 1: You can't do that with Atlanta and depending if they're 440 00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:47,879 Speaker 1: going to go as aggressive as that document shows on 441 00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:53,480 Speaker 1: the website. This is again I'm not sure how it's 442 00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:56,200 Speaker 1: all gonna play out, but you and I can firmly 443 00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:59,160 Speaker 1: sit here and say New York City is garbage, right, 444 00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:03,760 Speaker 1: the charges of bookkeeping. They elevated a misdemeanor to a felony. 445 00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:06,960 Speaker 1: I think it's total garbage. I think it will get tossed. 446 00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:12,959 Speaker 1: There may be legal peril in Georgia, however, for Trump 447 00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:17,120 Speaker 1: that he could not in some way sweep away by 448 00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:19,960 Speaker 1: winning election, and that's a real mess that we don't 449 00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:21,160 Speaker 1: have a lot of precedent for. 450 00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:24,119 Speaker 2: Well, that's why the ge that's why the Georgia charges 451 00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:28,280 Speaker 2: are so important to the Democrats, because it's their only 452 00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:33,000 Speaker 2: shot with any teeth to get Trump on something that 453 00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:37,320 Speaker 2: you know, you get into like election long conspiracy and stuff. 454 00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:40,320 Speaker 2: It's if you can convince a jury, you can convince 455 00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:44,560 Speaker 2: a jury, and there's no way to pardon him based 456 00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:46,280 Speaker 2: as you pointed out, based on this, and we talked 457 00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:47,880 Speaker 2: about this at the very top of the show, Clay, 458 00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:51,639 Speaker 2: this is why they're just trying to box him in 459 00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:53,879 Speaker 2: in every way they can. There's even a New York 460 00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:56,919 Speaker 2: we don't even talk about this. New York State is 461 00:26:57,000 --> 00:27:00,400 Speaker 2: investigating Trump. Leticia James is investigating Trump on a on 462 00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:03,879 Speaker 2: civil frauds. So it's like they're just trying to bury 463 00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:05,280 Speaker 2: him in all of this stuff. 464 00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:08,199 Speaker 1: So I have two thoughts, and I know we have 465 00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:10,680 Speaker 1: a lot of people who are in the Georgia political 466 00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:14,440 Speaker 1: arena that I would say should be moved on if 467 00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:19,720 Speaker 1: they haven't already. One, give Trump under state law the 468 00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:23,000 Speaker 1: ability to move these charges to federal court. Why would 469 00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:25,720 Speaker 1: that be significant If these charges were able to be 470 00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:30,000 Speaker 1: moved from State of Georgia court to federal court and Georgia, 471 00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:33,320 Speaker 1: Trump could pardon himself. So that would be a bill 472 00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:39,440 Speaker 1: potentially that could be passed by a Republican dominated Georgia legislature. 473 00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:42,040 Speaker 2: And signed by Brian Kemp. I'm just putting it out there. 474 00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:45,720 Speaker 1: Second part of this, if you don't want to allow 475 00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:49,560 Speaker 1: a state court to be moved to a federal court, 476 00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:52,560 Speaker 1: and again, I would think there would be federal components 477 00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:55,520 Speaker 1: of these charges, and that could be significant because it 478 00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:58,840 Speaker 1: would give Trump a pathway to pardon. Second part of this, 479 00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:03,560 Speaker 1: Trump is going to have to right now be standing 480 00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:08,879 Speaker 1: trial in Fulton County, which is an overwhelmingly Democrat jurisdiction. 481 00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:12,719 Speaker 2: Yeah, what you got. Have you seen the they I mean, 482 00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:15,040 Speaker 2: obviously it got screen shotted right away. Have you seen 483 00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:17,159 Speaker 2: the charges that are circulating. Yeah, that's what. 484 00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:19,560 Speaker 1: So that's what I was trying to read to make 485 00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:21,960 Speaker 1: sure that it was the right thing that got screenshotted. 486 00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:27,120 Speaker 2: Georgia's Georgia's ricos. So I brought up RICO before I'd 487 00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:29,200 Speaker 2: even know this. RICO is what they're going for, which 488 00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:32,760 Speaker 2: is a version of racketeering. It's the Racketeering a Racketeer 489 00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:38,240 Speaker 2: Influencing Corrupt Organizations Act solicitation of Now, look, these are 490 00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:41,360 Speaker 2: not the official charges, but they were leaked on the 491 00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:43,640 Speaker 2: on the court website. So I think it's a pretty 492 00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:46,080 Speaker 2: We'll say this is a pretty strong indicator of what's 493 00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:46,400 Speaker 2: to come. 494 00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:48,480 Speaker 1: Well, not what I was looking at, buck to try 495 00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:51,680 Speaker 1: to make sure it's the right screenshot, so we get 496 00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:54,200 Speaker 1: the cause it definitely got leaked. So just make sure 497 00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:56,400 Speaker 1: you're looking at make sure it's a good source that's 498 00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:57,480 Speaker 1: sharing the screenshot. 499 00:28:57,560 --> 00:29:03,240 Speaker 2: It says FULTONCOUNTYGA dot go and it's being shared here 500 00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:07,040 Speaker 2: by our buddy Mike Cernovich, had tip Mike Cernovich here 501 00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:07,640 Speaker 2: on Twitter. 502 00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:09,920 Speaker 1: All right, he's a smart guy. I feel good about 503 00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:12,640 Speaker 1: him as a as a source. He's a smart fellow. 504 00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:18,320 Speaker 2: Conspiracy to commit impersonating a public officer, solicitation of violation 505 00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:21,840 Speaker 2: of oath by a public officer, Conspiracy to commit forgery 506 00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:26,280 Speaker 2: in the first degree, Conspiracy to commit false statements and writings. Again, 507 00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:28,320 Speaker 2: another one of those charges. Another one of those charges, 508 00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:31,520 Speaker 2: and wow, a lot of those. Conspiracy to commit false 509 00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:35,760 Speaker 2: I'm sorry, filing false documents, solicitation, a violation of oh, 510 00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:40,160 Speaker 2: false process charges. It's a whole bunch of process charges 511 00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:42,800 Speaker 2: with a rico charge thrown on top to make it 512 00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:44,920 Speaker 2: sound scary. That is what we're looking at here. 513 00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:48,680 Speaker 1: Okay, So I said, move to federal court because basically 514 00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:51,760 Speaker 1: this is dealing with a federal election. I could see 515 00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:54,640 Speaker 1: an argument, again not having read the full indictment, but again, 516 00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:57,800 Speaker 1: it leaked on. This is a really bad thing. It 517 00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:01,880 Speaker 1: supposedly has leaked on the on the county website. Move 518 00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:04,440 Speaker 1: to federal court. That would give Trump an ability to 519 00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:07,440 Speaker 1: pardon himself in the event he won the election, or 520 00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:10,520 Speaker 1: any other Republican candidate who was in the oval office 521 00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:12,800 Speaker 1: would have the ability to do it. And so that's 522 00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:16,720 Speaker 1: option one. Option two buck because this is going to 523 00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:19,640 Speaker 1: be Fulton County, which is Atlanta, which is a left 524 00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:26,560 Speaker 1: wing jurisdiction favorable for the prosecutor. The Republican legislature allowing 525 00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:31,560 Speaker 1: a defendant in this case to get automatic removal to 526 00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:37,240 Speaker 1: another county. Basically, any county in all of Georgia would 527 00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:40,680 Speaker 1: be better for Trump than Fulton County. So could he 528 00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:43,840 Speaker 1: get this moved out of Fulton County based on the 529 00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:49,120 Speaker 1: Georgia Republican legislature passing a bill that would allow special jurisdiction. 530 00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:52,480 Speaker 1: I'm not sure of the Georgia constitution, but this is important. 531 00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:57,000 Speaker 1: We know Brian Kemp cannot pardon Trump. The governor does 532 00:30:57,040 --> 00:31:00,680 Speaker 1: not have the ability to pardon under state law. So 533 00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:04,200 Speaker 1: what might happen going forward. There's a lot of moving parts. 534 00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:05,760 Speaker 2: So first we have to actually see what the real 535 00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:09,280 Speaker 2: charges are, which we don't officially know yet, So you know. 536 00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:12,320 Speaker 1: We're already looking ahead to what's the next step the 537 00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:14,360 Speaker 1: Georgia legislature, in my opinion, should be. 538 00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:16,400 Speaker 2: He's ready for his opening statement in front of the 539 00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:18,080 Speaker 2: jury already, but we got to find out what the 540 00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:19,800 Speaker 2: charges are. So we're gonna get into some more of 541 00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:21,640 Speaker 2: this eight hundred and two way two to two eight 542 00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:25,360 Speaker 2: A two. You're likely to hear more reports about a 543 00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:29,000 Speaker 2: serious federal government change to our currency. One of those 544 00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:32,840 Speaker 2: making these reports claiming that this is gonna happen is 545 00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:36,040 Speaker 2: Tika Tawari, a Wall Street insider. What he and others 546 00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:38,440 Speaker 2: are suggesting is that our currency system would be replaced 547 00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:41,040 Speaker 2: with a new digital version that would be radically different 548 00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:43,640 Speaker 2: from what you're used to. 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It could 568 00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:54,760 Speaker 2: be coming down. Also, also we've mentioned the video of 569 00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:58,400 Speaker 2: the organized retail theft, which we need a better word, 570 00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:02,040 Speaker 2: you know, flash mob thieves. I don't know what we 571 00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:06,280 Speaker 2: should call it. But when you see thirty or you know, 572 00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:09,440 Speaker 2: twenty or thirty people who are going into a high 573 00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:12,520 Speaker 2: end store to steal thousands, tens of thousands of dollars 574 00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:16,880 Speaker 2: of stuff and they don't care. They're on video They 575 00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:19,360 Speaker 2: don't care that there are people watching. They don't care. 576 00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:21,600 Speaker 2: It's broad daylight tells you something about what's going on 577 00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:24,040 Speaker 2: in California. We got a couple of callers in here. 578 00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:26,000 Speaker 2: Wanted to get to some of them. We have Rick 579 00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:30,239 Speaker 2: in Wisconsin. Rick, what do you have for us? I 580 00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:33,560 Speaker 2: don't think Brian Kimp isn't that a strong of a Republican. 581 00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:37,160 Speaker 2: If he is, why didn't he deliver us Georgia. I 582 00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:38,200 Speaker 2: believe he's a rhino. 583 00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:41,520 Speaker 1: He wasn't on the ballot. He just won by almost 584 00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:45,400 Speaker 1: eight points the governorship of Georgia. Like you could not 585 00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:48,000 Speaker 1: like Brian Kemp. I'm not saying he's the greatest human 586 00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:53,400 Speaker 1: who ever lived. He would deliver Georgia. So I again, 587 00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:56,240 Speaker 1: you can make any argument against Brian Kimp. You can 588 00:33:56,240 --> 00:33:57,840 Speaker 1: not like some of the things that he's done. You 589 00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:02,400 Speaker 1: can Brian Kemp would beat Stacy Abrams. They spent I 590 00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:07,040 Speaker 1: think Stacy Abrams did nearly one hundred million dollars against him. 591 00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:09,520 Speaker 1: She was one of the best funded candidates of all 592 00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:11,200 Speaker 1: time running for statewide election. 593 00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:12,319 Speaker 2: And he beat her. 594 00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:15,160 Speaker 1: So and he beat her not in a close race, 595 00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:19,800 Speaker 1: by nearly eight points. So he would deliver the state 596 00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:23,000 Speaker 1: of Georgia if he were on the ticket, Brian in Utah, 597 00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:23,960 Speaker 1: what have you got for us? 598 00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:25,480 Speaker 3: Yeah? 599 00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:27,319 Speaker 2: I think a lot of the reason we're losing some 600 00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:31,880 Speaker 2: of these elections is Mitch McConnell, the turtle and the 601 00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:34,399 Speaker 2: way that he does funding. Oh, I appreciate the call. 602 00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:36,799 Speaker 1: Most people don't know who Mitch McConnell is, and like 603 00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:40,720 Speaker 1: who are working as farmers in Georgia, they're not worried about. Look, 604 00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:43,800 Speaker 1: we've got to win states where most of the people 605 00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:46,640 Speaker 1: who are making decisions are not focused on Mitch McConnell 606 00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:47,000 Speaker 1: every day. 607 00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:49,760 Speaker 2: We want Trump to win, and Georgia is a weakness 608 00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:52,960 Speaker 2: in the Trump political record. That's just this is the 609 00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:54,759 Speaker 2: So we can look at this and figure out how 610 00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:57,760 Speaker 2: do we make sure that Trump, assuming it's Trump, wins 611 00:34:57,800 --> 00:35:00,880 Speaker 2: the next time or doesn't have there's no problem with 612 00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:02,960 Speaker 2: Senate seats that are up there, or House seats or 613 00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:05,680 Speaker 2: whatever it may be. How do we get Republicans to 614 00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:10,560 Speaker 2: win across the board, including the presidency in Georgia. That's 615 00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:13,400 Speaker 2: the conversation, right, I mean it to look at a 616 00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:16,960 Speaker 2: million different reasons for why Georgia didn't. Three Senate seats 617 00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:20,239 Speaker 2: have been lost in Georgia by Republicans all should have 618 00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:22,920 Speaker 2: been won. Why and why. 619 00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:26,720 Speaker 1: Every Republican in twenty twenty two buck except for herschel 620 00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:30,560 Speaker 1: Walker won by seven to eight or more points that 621 00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:32,880 Speaker 1: those were not close races in Georgia. 622 00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:36,160 Speaker 2: So you know, we got to deal with what we 623 00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:38,200 Speaker 2: see here. If there's another I mean to say, it's 624 00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:41,160 Speaker 2: you know, and the point of Clay's not even saying 625 00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:44,160 Speaker 2: like Kemp is a governor. Maybe people in Georgia have 626 00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:45,960 Speaker 2: particular feelings about him one way or the other. We're 627 00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:48,600 Speaker 2: just looking at the results. We're just looking at scoreboards. 628 00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:51,440 Speaker 1: All I care about is winning, And to me, you 629 00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:53,879 Speaker 1: could make arguments for other people. Maybe we'll talk about 630 00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:56,680 Speaker 1: RFK Junior some in this third hour. I think he 631 00:35:56,680 --> 00:36:00,919 Speaker 1: would be an intriguing VP pick, but a VP at 632 00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:05,920 Speaker 1: best can deliver, in my opinion, a state. Brian Kemp 633 00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:08,680 Speaker 1: is so popular in Georgia that I think he would 634 00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:10,840 Speaker 1: deliver for whomever the nominee is. 635 00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:11,080 Speaker 2: Right. 636 00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:14,839 Speaker 1: If Vivek Ramaswami was the was the nominee for Republicans 637 00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:18,239 Speaker 1: and he picked Brian Kemp, Brian Kemp as VP, in 638 00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:21,359 Speaker 1: my opinion, is going to deliver Georgia to the good 639 00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:22,400 Speaker 1: guys period. 640 00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:27,719 Speaker 2: I don't think there's any depute about it that's important, right. 641 00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:30,720 Speaker 2: We all know winning Georgia. No one thought in twenty 642 00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:33,799 Speaker 2: twenty Georgia was gonna go blue. And I know that 643 00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:37,360 Speaker 2: we're looking at all the stuff and whatever it is, 644 00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:40,000 Speaker 2: what it is, folks. You know it got called on 645 00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:42,520 Speaker 2: the scoreboard for the other team. So we can talk 646 00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:44,480 Speaker 2: about as much as we want. You know, the reps 647 00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:47,200 Speaker 2: were bought off, et cetera. But we just want to 648 00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:49,759 Speaker 2: find ways to win and find strategies to get us 649 00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:52,360 Speaker 2: there and to that, and we're going to continue to 650 00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:55,080 Speaker 2: look at what's going on with these Georgia charges. Coming 651 00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:57,120 Speaker 2: up in the next hour. We'll also look at this 652 00:36:57,320 --> 00:37:01,479 Speaker 2: theft in topeng at the Tapenga all. We'll talk about 653 00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:02,239 Speaker 2: it on Clay and Bucks. 654 00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:09,399 Speaker 3: Stay with us, Clay, Travis and Buck Sexton on the 655 00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:11,120 Speaker 3: front lines of truth.