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Speaker 1: You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox

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Speaker 1: Sports Radio. I know somebody who loves bowling, like like

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Speaker 1: going to go bowling, like with friends. I would say

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Speaker 1: he's a bowling groupie, like watching are going, watching going,

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Speaker 1: but he'll watch bowling from different countries. He'll he'll watch

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Speaker 1: like bowling from Germany. Hamburg is a hotbed of bowlers.

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Speaker 1: But it's not like I don't know anything about bowling

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Speaker 1: other than I get better the more I drink. But

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Speaker 1: that's about it. Yeah. See. The only other thing that

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Speaker 1: I know is who do you think you are? I am?

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Speaker 1: I know that about bowling. That was That was a

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Speaker 1: great video clip, Pete Weber, that was great. Uh. Let's

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Speaker 1: see Jim Legler from the Mother's Ship here joining us

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Speaker 1: on loan from the Mother's Ship. Good morning, Jim, how

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Speaker 1: are you? Good morning Dan. I love bowling too. I

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Speaker 1: have my own bowling shoes I bought, which is weird,

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Speaker 1: I know, but I have a fifteen and a lot

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Speaker 1: of those fifteen means that the bowling alleys they're so

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Speaker 1: stretched out, the vaultpro straps they like slip off your feet.

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Speaker 1: So I bought my own bowling shoes. I love the

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Speaker 1: bowl I have my own bowling shoes and I had

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Speaker 1: my own bowling ball as well. Did you guys ever

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Speaker 1: bowl in the NBA? No? Never, never. I love it.

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Speaker 1: That's where I could go bowling two three times a week.

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Speaker 1: That's how much I love doing. Thanks for coming on.

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Speaker 1: That's all I wanted to know, Tim, if you having so.

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Speaker 1: Tim is a former player and one of the great

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Speaker 1: shooters in NBA history. If you played now, what would

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Speaker 1: your career be like now as opposed to what it was,

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Speaker 1: Because I mean, well, first of all, even even back then,

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Speaker 1: if I didn't have that knee injury I had at

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Speaker 1: twenty nine years old, you know, you tack another six

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Speaker 1: seven years old to the end of it, it it would

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Speaker 1: look different too. But today, you know, playing in this style,

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Speaker 1: this system, and I'm going out there every night, Dan,

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Speaker 1: and I'm expecting to take six, eight, ten three point

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Speaker 1: shots at night? Are you kidding me? With that kind

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Speaker 1: of freedom meant to lead to take to know that

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Speaker 1: there is no such thing as a bad three that

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Speaker 1: I could take. I can't imagine like what that would

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Speaker 1: do to unleash like just you have no inhibition, and

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Speaker 1: for a great shooter to have no inhibition, whatsoever, especially

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Speaker 1: as a role player. Believe me, I watch it every night.

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Speaker 1: I just can't believe the freedom that these guys happen.

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Speaker 1: But who do you think would their career would have

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Speaker 1: changed if they had played today. Let's say they played

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Speaker 1: in the seventies, eighties, nineties, that given this game now,

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Speaker 1: we would look at them differently. I think any of

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Speaker 1: the guys that you know, we're kind of like the

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Speaker 1: way I played. I mean, even a guy like Kerry

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Speaker 1: he and I. He and I, you know, battled it out.

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Speaker 1: We're basically the same exact years in the league, very

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Speaker 1: similar type players. Can you imagine, you know, being able

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Speaker 1: to come out and knowing that they almost expect you

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Speaker 1: to shoot the ball every time you touch it where

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Speaker 1: you know, when I played, it was incomprehensible on the

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Speaker 1: three on two Burke to fan out for a three

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Speaker 1: point shot. It's just that's just not what you did.

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Speaker 1: You know, you were not taught the game that way,

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Speaker 1: and I had I felt like the green light on

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Speaker 1: teams I played on, but the green light was a

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Speaker 1: different shade of green. That's what I'm saying. You still

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Speaker 1: had to think through the process. Is this a good shot?

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Speaker 1: Isn't it. You knew what the team was trying to

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Speaker 1: get a lot of when I played was inside out.

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Speaker 1: We had a bunch of great post players in Washington.

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Speaker 1: That ball was going in there first. Guarantee you up

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Speaker 1: the floor allowed double teams to happen. The ball gets

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Speaker 1: moved around a perimeter and then you're allowed to take

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Speaker 1: the shot. But some of these shots these guys take

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Speaker 1: in the first five six seconds of the shot clock,

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Speaker 1: and no one even bats that. I had it. Coaches,

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Speaker 1: you know, they clapped their hands on a miss on

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Speaker 1: a shot, you know that quickly. It really blows my mind.

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Speaker 1: But look, I'm all for it. I'm happy for the

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Speaker 1: players to have that kind of freedom. I wish I did.

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Speaker 1: We've been talking about Russell Westbrooks place in history. His

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Speaker 1: head coach Scotty Brooks said he might be the second

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Speaker 1: greatest point guard of all time. We kind of lost

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Speaker 1: these designations though, legs because Steph Curry is not a

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Speaker 1: point guard. But and I can I put him in

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Speaker 1: the category of you know, point guards. No, I agree

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Speaker 1: amount of time he's got the ball in his hands,

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Speaker 1: you know, as an initial playmaker, primary ball handler up

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Speaker 1: the point guard is. But you're right, it's all blurred.

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Speaker 1: I mean, Luca don Chez is listed as a forward, right,

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Speaker 1: is that not a point guard? Lebron James as a

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Speaker 1: point guard. He's been a point guard his entire career

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Speaker 1: and we don't call him a point guard. So it's

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Speaker 1: really about who dominates the ball and who's the primary

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Speaker 1: ball handler, playmaker, decision maker, most possessions. That would be Curry,

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Speaker 1: But you're right. I mean they play the game completely

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Speaker 1: differently than what you and I would have thought of

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Speaker 1: a traditional point guard played the position like growing up.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, Magic is the greatest point guard of all time? Yes, definitely?

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Speaker 1: Good question. Second is oh my goodness. Second it starts

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Speaker 1: to get a little bit more debatable. Now. One of

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Speaker 1: the guys that I never got to see play. I

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Speaker 1: don't know, you know how much you know the film

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Speaker 1: you've seen on the guy, But Oscar Robertson was he

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Speaker 1: a point guard? Because there are people that are gonna

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Speaker 1: say he's the great he's the second greatest point guard

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Speaker 1: of all time? Is it? John Stockton? When you look

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Speaker 1: at a guy that's stepped the table for everybody, and

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Speaker 1: what he did defensively too. Is John Stockton the second

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Speaker 1: greatest point guard? Is it Curry? I think Curry has

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Speaker 1: played himself now into that position. He will be labeled

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Speaker 1: a point guard historically forever, so is he. I think

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Speaker 1: now it's it's not out of the question. That's Steph

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Speaker 1: Curry is in that discussion and in that debate. And

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Speaker 1: by the way, I know a lot of people, Dan,

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Speaker 1: I've debated this with You got fun game where you say, Okay,

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Speaker 1: let's draft. You take five, I take five, one at

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Speaker 1: a time, and let's go play one game to win

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Speaker 1: everything historically all the players that have ever played in

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Speaker 1: and you're taking Magic Johnson at point and I can't

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Speaker 1: get him, and I take Steph Curry, I'll be okay

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Speaker 1: with that decision. I think I'm gonna do pretty well

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Speaker 1: in that game with Steph Curry as my guy at

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Speaker 1: the point in an all time game with ten guys.

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Speaker 1: What about Isaiah Thomas. Yeah, Isaiah Thomas is in there

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Speaker 1: And right now we're putting such an emphasis on the

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Speaker 1: three point shot and the ipoppy scoring numbers that these

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Speaker 1: point guards put up guys like Lillard and Curry, Westbrook,

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Speaker 1: a lot of Knights, that we lose sight of what

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Speaker 1: Isaiah Thomas was taught. That position was supposed to look like,

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Speaker 1: and any given night, there's no question one NYE Isaiah

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Speaker 1: Thomas could average twenty five to thirty points if that's

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Speaker 1: what he wanted to do in a given season. He

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Speaker 1: didn't view it that way. That position and that team

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Speaker 1: had great balance that he played on. He's Tim Legler,

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Speaker 1: ESPN NBA analyst. Did the Clippers try to avoid the Lakers? Probably?

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Speaker 1: And I think that's what Teria Lou was so testy

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Speaker 1: about the question. But do you have any problem with that? No,

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Speaker 1: I don't. I don't have a problem with it at all.

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Speaker 1: It's one of those things where you can't control it,

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Speaker 1: you know, it's not as if there are rules in

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Speaker 1: place to prevent it. There's nothing you can do about it.

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Speaker 1: Just like load management, just like anything else. They want

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Speaker 1: guys to sit certain nights, they have criteria for it.

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Speaker 1: How are you supposed to prevent a team from saying, now,

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Speaker 1: you know what, guys got a little bit of a

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Speaker 1: tight hand me tonight. They're growing last night you felt

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Speaker 1: a little twinge, We're gonna sit them out this game.

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Speaker 1: You can't prevent it. You can't call them liars. It's

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Speaker 1: something that is very difficult to prove. It won't show

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Speaker 1: up on an MRI. So you can sit guys out

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Speaker 1: when you want to, and what happens at the end

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Speaker 1: of the year. This is going on for a long time,

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Speaker 1: by the way, the manipulation of lineups at the end

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Speaker 1: of the season for a lot of different reasons. So no,

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Speaker 1: I don't have a problem with it. The only problem

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Speaker 1: I have with it is what message does it send

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Speaker 1: to your team if that's what you're trying to do.

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Speaker 1: So internally, psychologically, I got a little bit of a

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Speaker 1: problem with it, because if you think you can win it,

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Speaker 1: you shouldn't care who you play when you play them.

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Speaker 1: But no, I don't have a problem with it, because

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Speaker 1: everyone around the league manipulates their lineups for different reasons. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but I want the Lakers now, Tim I just if

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Speaker 1: they start getting they start rolling, then I don't want

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Speaker 1: any part of that. If I'm the Sons, the Jazz,

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Speaker 1: the Clippers, let me take my shot now and see

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Speaker 1: if I can knock you out early. I completely agree,

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Speaker 1: And I use the analogy with the Lakers. They're a

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Speaker 1: prize fighter and you've got to come out and you've

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Speaker 1: got to catch them with a huge hooker and uppercut

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Speaker 1: in the first thirty seconds of the fight. And if

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Speaker 1: you don't, each round, they're going to get stronger. And

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Speaker 1: that's what's going to happen with the Lakers. Look, they

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Speaker 1: might lose tonight, wouldn't shock me. You know, they haven't

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Speaker 1: Lobronod curries on fire Warriors are playing well. I'm not

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Speaker 1: gonna be shocked if the Lakers lose, but they're not

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Speaker 1: going to lose two games in a row. They're going

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Speaker 1: to get in and then they take a sigh of relief. Okay,

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Speaker 1: we dodged disaster. Now you got us in a seven

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Speaker 1: game series. Each game, each round, they get stronger, and

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Speaker 1: I expect them to be back in the NBA Finals

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Speaker 1: it's a weird situation. They're going to come in as

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Speaker 1: a seven or eight seed and be favored immediately. That's

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Speaker 1: a very weird thing to happen in the NBA. That's

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Speaker 1: very unfortunate for Utah Phoenix to end up getting that team.

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Speaker 1: And when you had the year that you did as

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Speaker 1: a one or two seeds, who has a better chance

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Speaker 1: against the Lakers, the Clippers, the Jazz, the Nuggets, Suns.

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Speaker 1: I would have said, well, I would have said Denver,

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Speaker 1: But I don't know how you overcome Jamal Murray not

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Speaker 1: being there and as good as Michael Porter is and

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Speaker 1: he's headed for stardom and he's been unbelievable really the

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Speaker 1: last couple of months. Can he do that every night

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Speaker 1: against that team? So I don't think he's quite there

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Speaker 1: yet for that, There'll be inconsistency there. You don't have

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Speaker 1: Jamal Murray. That's an impossible test. So I don't think

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Speaker 1: it's Denver anymore. I would probably say the Clippers, but

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Speaker 1: there's a huge caveat and it's on Paul George's shoulders.

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Speaker 1: There's a few players going into this postseason, damn, with

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Speaker 1: an enormous amount of pressure on Joannis has a lot

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Speaker 1: of pressure on it. I think Paul George is in

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Speaker 1: Those three guys probably have more pressure on than anybody

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Speaker 1: else in the postseason because of some of their playoff failures.

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Speaker 1: Paul George's seasons typically end in a fiery crash where

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Speaker 1: he doesn't play well when they absolutely have to have him.

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Speaker 1: In last year's Game seven against Denver is another example

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Speaker 1: But the kid gets kicked out of the pitcher, gets

426
00:20:29,720 --> 00:20:32,680
Speaker 1: kicked out of the game, and uh, you know it's

427
00:20:33,200 --> 00:20:34,800
Speaker 1: I mean, the kid was pitching a great game too,

428
00:20:35,400 --> 00:20:38,840
Speaker 1: but you know he's on It's sort of like everybody's

429
00:20:38,880 --> 00:20:41,119
Speaker 1: watching you in the dugout waiting for you to do it.

430
00:20:41,720 --> 00:20:43,600
Speaker 1: Who do we do what time do we do it?

431
00:20:43,720 --> 00:20:46,000
Speaker 1: When do we pick the guy? Who is the guy?

432
00:20:46,119 --> 00:20:48,520
Speaker 1: Let's get this guy? And if it was going to

433
00:20:48,560 --> 00:20:50,879
Speaker 1: be a problem, then Tony could have held him out

434
00:20:50,920 --> 00:20:55,240
Speaker 1: of the lineup. And but I think that you've also

435
00:20:55,320 --> 00:20:58,359
Speaker 1: wanted to prove a point to the kids, saying, hey,

436
00:20:58,720 --> 00:21:00,520
Speaker 1: if you do this, you know you got to face

437
00:21:00,560 --> 00:21:03,080
Speaker 1: the consequences. And this is probably what's going to happen. Yeah,

438
00:21:03,119 --> 00:21:05,360
Speaker 1: but I didn't thought it at his head. He threw

439
00:21:05,359 --> 00:21:07,480
Speaker 1: it behind his back, down his legs and everything else.

440
00:21:07,480 --> 00:21:10,440
Speaker 1: So yeah, but Tony can't be making this public, Like

441
00:21:10,880 --> 00:21:13,239
Speaker 1: why don't you Tony's a Hall of Fame manager, why

442
00:21:13,240 --> 00:21:15,200
Speaker 1: don't you just say, Look, we're gonna keep it in house.

443
00:21:15,320 --> 00:21:17,600
Speaker 1: We're going to talk about this. It's a learning experience.

444
00:21:17,640 --> 00:21:21,000
Speaker 1: He's a rookie, he's talented, baba. He's basically saying, hey,

445
00:21:21,600 --> 00:21:24,600
Speaker 1: you know he's got to understand this. There's gonna be consequences.

446
00:21:26,240 --> 00:21:29,560
Speaker 1: I'm sure they're in the clubhouse aret clubhouse leaders supposedly

447
00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:34,119
Speaker 1: quote unquote leaders are saying, hey, you better expect what's coming. Okay,

448
00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:36,639
Speaker 1: you made a mistake, you did the wrong thing, and

449
00:21:36,760 --> 00:21:38,440
Speaker 1: the kids saying, well, I got a chance. They the

450
00:21:38,440 --> 00:21:41,520
Speaker 1: three round Homer. I've got three more RBIs on my list,

451
00:21:41,560 --> 00:21:44,680
Speaker 1: like going into arbitration next year. I'm going into arbitration,

452
00:21:44,760 --> 00:21:46,960
Speaker 1: and my guys says, well, you know you have ninety

453
00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:50,800
Speaker 1: seven RBIs. Oh, that's right, you get that three round homer.

454
00:21:51,040 --> 00:21:52,720
Speaker 1: We're not going to count that. We're not going to

455
00:21:52,840 --> 00:21:56,000
Speaker 1: count that today. Where do you think that players really

456
00:21:56,119 --> 00:21:59,399
Speaker 1: care about that They're embarrassed to be no hit in

457
00:21:59,520 --> 00:22:02,960
Speaker 1: today's Oh gosh, yes, I don't. I don't think so,

458
00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:06,000
Speaker 1: because he got nobody puts the ball in play. They're

459
00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:09,480
Speaker 1: all swinging for a home run. Dan, you're a basketball player. Okay,

460
00:22:10,800 --> 00:22:12,960
Speaker 1: you're a basketball player in golfer, you don't you know?

461
00:22:13,160 --> 00:22:18,440
Speaker 1: I mean, hey, come on, Johnny, I threw a no hitt.

462
00:22:19,720 --> 00:22:22,680
Speaker 1: Remember I had a home run in in the astrodum

463
00:22:22,800 --> 00:22:24,920
Speaker 1: off a kid and we were in the eighth inning

464
00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:27,560
Speaker 1: and I came in and Joe Morgan gave me the

465
00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:30,040
Speaker 1: biggest hug in the world because the one thing he

466
00:22:30,119 --> 00:22:32,119
Speaker 1: didn't want to be was no hit. We got no

467
00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:36,520
Speaker 1: hit twice one year by Rick Wise Rick Sonny Wise,

468
00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:38,960
Speaker 1: and he had told he had two home runs. I

469
00:22:39,160 --> 00:22:43,239
Speaker 1: was at the game, and did you I was there

470
00:22:43,280 --> 00:22:46,320
Speaker 1: at the Kenny Holtzman no hitter. Well, I think I

471
00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:48,960
Speaker 1: remember for some reason you're being there because I heard

472
00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:52,320
Speaker 1: you saying, for God's sake, Johnny, but and you and

473
00:22:52,560 --> 00:22:56,000
Speaker 1: you did in the seventh inning, you tried to bunt.

474
00:22:56,440 --> 00:23:01,480
Speaker 1: Am I right, yes, you tried to bunt. And Fritzie

475
00:23:01,560 --> 00:23:05,200
Speaker 1: has a problem with trying to bunt to ruin a

476
00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:08,159
Speaker 1: no hitter. Go ahead, Fritzie said to Johnny, Oh, he is,

477
00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:12,160
Speaker 1: he is. I just think that that's that's sometimes there's

478
00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:15,399
Speaker 1: a way that could even you have to stick her.

479
00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:18,359
Speaker 1: You have to turn around and to square around and bunt.

480
00:23:18,520 --> 00:23:21,000
Speaker 1: You're admitting the only chance we have of getting on

481
00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:23,000
Speaker 1: base is to just stick the bat out that we

482
00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:26,199
Speaker 1: can't just you said it was. We can tell Johnny

483
00:23:26,280 --> 00:23:31,240
Speaker 1: that he was, and it's that's I'm that don't work.

484
00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:33,879
Speaker 1: Don't work that angle. I'm all right, I'm disappointed to

485
00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:36,360
Speaker 1: hear what happens. What happens now if I dropped a bunt,

486
00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:39,119
Speaker 1: we get a base hit, and now all of a sudden,

487
00:23:39,359 --> 00:23:41,840
Speaker 1: this guy is so rattled, the floodgates open and we

488
00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:44,040
Speaker 1: won the game. Or that's the only hit of the

489
00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:46,919
Speaker 1: game and you're ruining the no hit happened with pitching, Fritzie.

490
00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:49,200
Speaker 1: If I was if you were pitching and I butted

491
00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:52,400
Speaker 1: on you, I would be so angry. Yeah, you'd try

492
00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:54,480
Speaker 1: to pick me off and hit me. Yeah, you would

493
00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:55,840
Speaker 1: have picked up You wouldn't even throw him to the

494
00:23:55,880 --> 00:23:57,440
Speaker 1: first place, and you just hit me in the leg.

495
00:23:58,440 --> 00:24:01,040
Speaker 1: You'd like to charge the mound right now, wouldn't you, Johnny.

496
00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:04,359
Speaker 1: If Fritzie's on the mountain, you would charge them. You know,

497
00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:06,080
Speaker 1: Fritzie's been good to me. He's never sent me a

498
00:24:06,119 --> 00:24:07,840
Speaker 1: gift for all these times I've been on and everything.

499
00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:12,000
Speaker 1: No party gifts. I get nothing from this. Wow. All

500
00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:14,879
Speaker 1: I get is Fritzie's got an idea. Fritz You know

501
00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:17,200
Speaker 1: you got a great microphone. Keep it. You know, it's

502
00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:20,879
Speaker 1: it's what you do best. Thank you. No, not not real,

503
00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:24,920
Speaker 1: not really, not really. But I told you I was

504
00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:28,720
Speaker 1: at I was at the game when Johnny tried to

505
00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:31,080
Speaker 1: bunt to ruin ken Holds. I was hoping you were

506
00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:33,000
Speaker 1: wrong and that he wouldn't stick the bat out to

507
00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:34,920
Speaker 1: try to ruin it, because you think that Johnny is

508
00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:37,160
Speaker 1: weak and soft, that he would do that to try

509
00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:41,720
Speaker 1: to Johnny specifically, that that particular play. Yeah, that was

510
00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:45,440
Speaker 1: weak and so Johnny was weak by doing that. And

511
00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:49,199
Speaker 1: I said, today's player, I don't think is as concerned

512
00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:51,040
Speaker 1: about getting no hit, just like they don't care about

513
00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:54,280
Speaker 1: striking out two hundred times. Back then, you didn't want

514
00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:56,680
Speaker 1: to strike out, and you certainly didn't want somebody to

515
00:24:56,800 --> 00:25:00,720
Speaker 1: know hit you. No, no it no, no, he goes,

516
00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:02,680
Speaker 1: And then the next day Fritzie says, you believe that

517
00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:10,800
Speaker 1: Bred's got no right right Ton, Yeah, I'm disappointed. You're disappointed.

518
00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:15,000
Speaker 1: What's what's the consensus on the other day. Yes, mclovian,

519
00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:17,280
Speaker 1: It's just so unfamiliar to me because I'm a Phillies fan,

520
00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:19,320
Speaker 1: and like Mike schmid would net even consider bunning, so

521
00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:21,600
Speaker 1: I don't even want, not even my wheel. I wouldn't

522
00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:25,760
Speaker 1: think about it. I'm gonna tell Mike and Michael be

523
00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:28,280
Speaker 1: proud you said that. But Mike would have dropped down

524
00:25:28,280 --> 00:25:31,320
Speaker 1: a bount every now. Yeah. Yeah, And Phillip fans would

525
00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:33,440
Speaker 1: still be upset with Schmidt if he even tried to

526
00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:36,200
Speaker 1: do No matter what Schmidty did, Philly fans didn't didn't

527
00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:38,280
Speaker 1: like him. Right. Does he get more male when he

528
00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:40,240
Speaker 1: keeps saying I'm a Phillies fan, you know, I mean

529
00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:44,680
Speaker 1: he has to say, you know, but you're a rookie

530
00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:47,440
Speaker 1: year in sixty eight, would you have would you have

531
00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:52,119
Speaker 1: swung on a three zero pitch. Oh yeah, you mean

532
00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:55,679
Speaker 1: no if you were told not to no, no, no, okay,

533
00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:58,840
Speaker 1: oh no no no no. Not sixty eight Dave Bristol.

534
00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:01,200
Speaker 1: Dave Bristol would one hundred dollars and they were in

535
00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:04,120
Speaker 1: a half my in my week salary. But they lowered

536
00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:07,080
Speaker 1: the they changed the mount after sixty eight. How much

537
00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:10,920
Speaker 1: of an advantage was it for the pitchers that year, Well,

538
00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:13,359
Speaker 1: they dropped it down by what one or two inches

539
00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:15,320
Speaker 1: I think it was, and Gibson had just had that

540
00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:18,280
Speaker 1: one one two era and they're saying, we've got to

541
00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:20,440
Speaker 1: get more offense in And that's when the American League

542
00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:23,040
Speaker 1: decided to go to designate hitter. And now it's like

543
00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:25,960
Speaker 1: every bob is a bomb. And you know, and you know,

544
00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:28,359
Speaker 1: my buddy Mike z Anino, you know they're talking about him.

545
00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:30,800
Speaker 1: You know, either walk, strike out, or hit a home run.

546
00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:33,959
Speaker 1: And you know, because these guys and there is no consequence.

547
00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:35,919
Speaker 1: I mean, I see guys, I look at the lineup.

548
00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:38,720
Speaker 1: These guys are hitting one fifty nine, one sixty seven.

549
00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:42,880
Speaker 1: How are they in the lineup? I mean, in these days,

550
00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:45,800
Speaker 1: it's fine in our day because you know, they have

551
00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:48,280
Speaker 1: the earl Weaver mentality of hit the three run homer.

552
00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:51,120
Speaker 1: Let's get that going on the board. But nar day

553
00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:53,840
Speaker 1: you were hitting anywhere close to two twenty. You were

554
00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:55,760
Speaker 1: looking over your you know, hoping when you got to

555
00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:57,760
Speaker 1: the park, your locker was still at a little uniform

556
00:26:57,800 --> 00:27:00,439
Speaker 1: in it. But they don't even have a Mendoze line now,

557
00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:03,720
Speaker 1: because Mendoza is actually a decent hitter in today's game.

558
00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:08,080
Speaker 1: John the two hundred life, Yeah, I was talking to you,

559
00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:10,320
Speaker 1: I was talking to Euker the other day, because he's

560
00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:12,200
Speaker 1: got a lifetime I think two hundred or two or

561
00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:14,560
Speaker 1: six or whatever it is. But now we laugh about

562
00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:17,160
Speaker 1: it and everything else. But no, no, there's nothing out

563
00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:19,760
Speaker 1: there anymore there, says Mendoza or anything else. And two

564
00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:22,440
Speaker 1: hundred the barrier. I mean we had lee Mate, Tony

565
00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:26,160
Speaker 1: Pres and I and we had if whoever struck out

566
00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:28,879
Speaker 1: one hundred times first, and we were trying to everything

567
00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:31,159
Speaker 1: to keep from doing that. Had to buy the other

568
00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:33,879
Speaker 1: guy bottles of champagne. I mean, that's you know, we

569
00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:36,680
Speaker 1: were serious about not reaching that hundred. We've got a

570
00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:39,600
Speaker 1: guy how many now probably has one hundred strikeouts already.

571
00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:43,200
Speaker 1: Is Gallow up there close He might be. Do you

572
00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:47,880
Speaker 1: realize how far Earl Weaver would be great in today's

573
00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:50,479
Speaker 1: baseball from the standpoint of egg up there and hit

574
00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:54,119
Speaker 1: a three run homer, that's all. That's all, Butcher. I mean,

575
00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:55,760
Speaker 1: you know, we had a guy named Don Hefner was

576
00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:58,359
Speaker 1: a manager called everybody Butch and he would shit that

577
00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:00,679
Speaker 1: three run homer man and I would sit back there

578
00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:02,640
Speaker 1: and wait for somebody to do it. And of course

579
00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:04,840
Speaker 1: I think somebody was talking thinking about, you know, you

580
00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:06,960
Speaker 1: put a three runs on the board with that oriel staff,

581
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:08,960
Speaker 1: you're probably going to have a I have a winner.

582
00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:11,520
Speaker 1: And in those days, you know balmber Head twenty and

583
00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:15,720
Speaker 1: kre and mcmallee and bat Dobson, you know, just you

584
00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:17,639
Speaker 1: know they had the pitching to do it, and you

585
00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:20,000
Speaker 1: can play for that one swing that would bring you

586
00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:24,480
Speaker 1: a win. Offense was offense. Do you ever talk to

587
00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:27,960
Speaker 1: Brooks Robinson about that nineteen seventy World Series where he

588
00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:32,960
Speaker 1: caught everything and then caught things that even you know,

589
00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:36,560
Speaker 1: we didn't seem humanly possible. We laugh every time. I

590
00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:39,400
Speaker 1: still want my Hicco BELTI work, I want it back,

591
00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:41,560
Speaker 1: I want it back. He's robbed me. He robbed me.

592
00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:46,400
Speaker 1: Was good John. He was. He was unbelievable, like imagine

593
00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:51,200
Speaker 1: a field or changing the complexion of an entire world series. Yeah,

594
00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:53,480
Speaker 1: in nineteen seventy one and in the All Star Game,

595
00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:55,920
Speaker 1: I hit a bullet down down there and he caught

596
00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:58,200
Speaker 1: it just like it was nothing again. And I threw

597
00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:00,080
Speaker 1: up my arms that I threw up arms like that

598
00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:02,280
Speaker 1: as I'm running the first base and he's laughing all

599
00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:04,400
Speaker 1: the way as he's thrown it the first it was.

600
00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:06,720
Speaker 1: It was just amazing. And you know the thing, the

601
00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:08,520
Speaker 1: way he did it, he didn't do it with any

602
00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:11,760
Speaker 1: show or anything else. In the vacuum cleaner, you know.

603
00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:13,960
Speaker 1: And there were other great third base and you mentioned

604
00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:15,840
Speaker 1: Schmitty with Schmitty was about as good as they got

605
00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:19,360
Speaker 1: a third as well. And today you watch these guys

606
00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:22,680
Speaker 1: and they're acrobats, Ernato and Chapman and guys that are

607
00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:25,760
Speaker 1: just enough humble. I mean, you know, you want to

608
00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:29,360
Speaker 1: look at averages, you know, Dan, Back in our days

609
00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:32,800
Speaker 1: you had these guys running the outfield. But these guys

610
00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:35,360
Speaker 1: are running nine five hundreds out there in the outfield.

611
00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:38,640
Speaker 1: They're catching everything, they're jumping over fences. They are such

612
00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:42,640
Speaker 1: athletes today, I can't imagine anybody ever hitting four hundred again.

613
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:44,640
Speaker 1: I think the new line is probably three fifty or

614
00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:47,840
Speaker 1: three sixty. It's just these guys in the infield. They're

615
00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:51,800
Speaker 1: stealing base hits left and right. I mean, they're playing

616
00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:54,640
Speaker 1: so deep, they got the coverage they do that. They're acrobatic,

617
00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:57,000
Speaker 1: they steal balls down the line, they throw the ball

618
00:29:57,040 --> 00:30:01,120
Speaker 1: across the infield and a bullet. I mean, watch today's athletes.

619
00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:03,440
Speaker 1: It's just totally incredible to me to see the talents

620
00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:05,240
Speaker 1: that they have. And a lot of that was done

621
00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:08,920
Speaker 1: with Ozzie. Ozzie became one of the leaders of you know,

622
00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:13,960
Speaker 1: being such an unbelievable fielder, and then they followed with Viscale,

623
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:16,240
Speaker 1: and they followed with guys that could do all this stuff.

624
00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:18,160
Speaker 1: I mean, Ozzie gets a lot of the credit, but

625
00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:21,360
Speaker 1: these guys are taking so much pride in their defense

626
00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:25,640
Speaker 1: that they become just a game changer every time you

627
00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:28,520
Speaker 1: look up. Great to talk to you. Sorry that Fritzie

628
00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:31,880
Speaker 1: called you weak and soft, um, but it's always great

629
00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:34,480
Speaker 1: to talk to you. Fritzi. You got my address, buddy,

630
00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:38,400
Speaker 1: you better start sending some gifts. Wow, that's the great

631
00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:42,360
Speaker 1: bench this is making up. Yeah. Thanks Fritzie called him out,

632
00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:45,760
Speaker 1: called him weak. You called Johnny Bench like that that

633
00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:49,360
Speaker 1: trying to bunt the act of doing that. I guess

634
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Speaker 1: I couldn't hear that truck, you know, when it normally

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Speaker 1: beeps when it's backing up indirectly. I'm calling Johnny Bench week,

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Speaker 1: but I wrote a book report about it in Elementary Score.

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Speaker 1: I love john No, no, no, I don't care. You

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Speaker 1: called him weak, he said, that's week. Thanks for listening

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Speaker 1: to The Dan Patrick Show podcast. Be sure to catch

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Speaker 1: us live every weekday morning nine until noon eastern six

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Speaker 1: us live on the Peacock app. It's the Hall of

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Speaker 1: Famer Turner's sports play by play announcer Marv Albert called

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Speaker 1: last night's Wizard Celtics play in Tournament alongside Grant Hill.

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Speaker 1: You can follow the Eastern Conference play in Tournament finale.

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Speaker 1: T and T will air more NBA playoff games than

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Speaker 1: any other network starting this Sunday, May twenty third. Always

649
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Speaker 1: great to hear Marv Albert's voice, who joins us now

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Speaker 1: Marv announcing his retirement following this year's postseason, Marv, thanks

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00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:47,959
Speaker 1: for joining us. Why now always a pleasure? Why am

652
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:52,160
Speaker 1: I joining you now? No? Why are you retiring? I'm kidding.

653
00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:57,760
Speaker 1: I just felt fifty five years of NBA and here

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00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:03,560
Speaker 1: sixty and broadcasting overall, it's it's enough. And my two pugs,

655
00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:07,800
Speaker 1: Trixie and Madison, insisted that I spend more time with them.

656
00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:10,520
Speaker 1: My wife had a kind of on the fence in

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00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:16,880
Speaker 1: that area. But I think I will miss a lot

658
00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:22,240
Speaker 1: of things about broadcasting, particularly the NBA. It's more the preparation,

659
00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:24,120
Speaker 1: and you know, the people that you deal with, and

660
00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:28,120
Speaker 1: and the people in the NBA, particularly the coaches that

661
00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:31,640
Speaker 1: you get to know so well over the years, and

662
00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:35,520
Speaker 1: many who I've worked with when they turned to broadcasting.

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Speaker 1: But I won't feel it, Dan, I think until next

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Speaker 1: November when the season starts, because I normally have the

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00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:46,720
Speaker 1: summer anyway. So, as I said, I just I just

666
00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:49,320
Speaker 1: think it was time. I don't want to be one

667
00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:52,400
Speaker 1: of those people who you know, just keeps going and going.

668
00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:54,920
Speaker 1: I probably could have gone a few more years, but

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Speaker 1: I thought this was the right time. I was wondering

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00:32:57,360 --> 00:33:00,280
Speaker 1: that you were calling Rangers games, calling Nick's games, so

671
00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:04,200
Speaker 1: it was territorial there, and then when you started to

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Speaker 1: do national broadcast, I didn't know if any network executive

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00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:12,840
Speaker 1: tried to change you and your style or voice to

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Speaker 1: have it conformed to I guess what we think should

675
00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:19,160
Speaker 1: be a national broadcaster instead of a local one. Yeah,

676
00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:22,520
Speaker 1: you know that. I think that's changed now when you

677
00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:28,080
Speaker 1: you know, you listen to the networks over the air

678
00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:32,800
Speaker 1: or cable people who are doing games, you have different styles. Now.

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00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:36,719
Speaker 1: I think that's really changed to the type of voice

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00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:41,040
Speaker 1: or the type of style where everything was kind of straight,

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00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:45,080
Speaker 1: too straight laced in terms of the presentation. No, no

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00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:48,520
Speaker 1: one ever tried, I must say, But that may have

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Speaker 1: something to do with the fact that the networks were

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Speaker 1: all stationed primarily in the New York area and they

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Speaker 1: hurt me there, okay, so it was acceptable there and

686
00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:04,680
Speaker 1: there was a degree of success there, so they never

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00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:08,160
Speaker 1: had anybody say anything like that. No greatest performance you

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00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:11,200
Speaker 1: ever witnessed on the basketball floor in a game you called,

689
00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:16,840
Speaker 1: there were a number of them, I can tell you.

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00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:22,520
Speaker 1: In terms of an event, the ninety two Dream Team,

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Speaker 1: which I was fortunate to broadcast for NBC. That was

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00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:29,920
Speaker 1: I got the chills when they first came out in

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Speaker 1: the Tournament of Americas. I remember that they had to

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Speaker 1: qualify in Portland, Oregon, and you see the greatest team

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00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:39,839
Speaker 1: ever assembled in sports history. You know what, they all

696
00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:42,640
Speaker 1: weren't walked out onto the court and got the standing

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00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:45,640
Speaker 1: ovation Michael and Magic and stocked it in Barkley and

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00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:51,600
Speaker 1: Bird and so odd alone. That was just an incredible moment.

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00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:56,240
Speaker 1: In terms of major games, several of them involved Michael Jordan,

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00:34:56,960 --> 00:35:01,600
Speaker 1: the Flue game, the six threes against Portland when he

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00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:03,800
Speaker 1: wasn't really a three point shooter, but I recall he

702
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:08,320
Speaker 1: came out early, way before the guys came out to

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00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:11,040
Speaker 1: warm up, just to shoot threes, and then he hit

704
00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:14,360
Speaker 1: the sixth and I was working with the tzar Mike Protello,

705
00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:20,279
Speaker 1: you recall that name, and also Magic Johnson, and then

706
00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:23,520
Speaker 1: Michael had that shrug when he hit the sixth looking

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00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:27,080
Speaker 1: over towards our table. He was actually looking at Michael,

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Speaker 1: although Mike Protello claims he was, you know, giving him

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00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:33,439
Speaker 1: a side and looking at him, which wasn't wasn't the case,

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00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:37,719
Speaker 1: But that was one of the great thrills. Who were

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00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:43,680
Speaker 1: also situations in my days with the Knicks when they

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00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:46,279
Speaker 1: won their first championship in sixty nine seventy. There were

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00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:50,439
Speaker 1: several dramatic games. When Willis Reid got heard, people thought

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00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:53,920
Speaker 1: he was not going to play in Game seven, and

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00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:58,520
Speaker 1: then he walked out out of the court late in warmups,

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00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:02,360
Speaker 1: and I recall the late team just stopped and stared.

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00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:06,839
Speaker 1: Will Chamberlain couldn't believe that Willis was taking the court,

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00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:09,560
Speaker 1: and he hit two jump shots early and I was

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00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:12,279
Speaker 1: I mean that basically that was his contribution, except for

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00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:15,400
Speaker 1: the fact that he inspired them, and it was really

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00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:18,719
Speaker 1: you know, it was one of the great moments of

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00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:22,000
Speaker 1: New York sports when they won, because they had they

723
00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:24,560
Speaker 1: had never won a championship. Then they won in seventy three,

724
00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:27,600
Speaker 1: it wasn't quite the same feeling they won in LA

725
00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:32,439
Speaker 1: so you didn't have the New York fans on hand.

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00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:36,360
Speaker 1: But that was just a terrific team because of the

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00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:41,279
Speaker 1: style they played with, you know, the ball movement kind

728
00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:45,680
Speaker 1: of like Phil Jackson's triangle in later years. And it

729
00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:48,000
Speaker 1: was such a smart team. You know, Bill Bradley and

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00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:51,640
Speaker 1: Phil was on that team, although he was injured that

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Speaker 1: year and David Buscher, Willis Clyde. People forgotten Game seven

732
00:36:57,400 --> 00:37:03,000
Speaker 1: because all the conversation dealt around Willis playing. But Walt

733
00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:06,919
Speaker 1: Frasier had one of the all time greatest playoff games.

734
00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:11,960
Speaker 1: He had thirty six points, nineteen assists, seven rebounds, and

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00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:15,480
Speaker 1: that sometimes it has forgotten except when Clyde mentions it

736
00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:20,560
Speaker 1: on the air. Well. He was also going against Jerry West.

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00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:23,400
Speaker 1: I think he also had six steals in there. It was,

738
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:30,080
Speaker 1: and he didn't win MVP Willis Scott MVP right, he did. Yes,

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00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:34,239
Speaker 1: he had some games, good games early, but he got

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00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:38,400
Speaker 1: hurt actually in game five. And that was Red Holzman,

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00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:42,560
Speaker 1: who was the head coach, accepted input from his players,

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00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:45,279
Speaker 1: particularly Bradley and de Busher, and there were no other

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00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:47,719
Speaker 1: you know, there were no assistant coaches in those days.

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00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:52,239
Speaker 1: But Bradley and de Buscher suggested a movement offense that

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00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:57,040
Speaker 1: really worked against a Laker team that was you know,

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Speaker 1: his Chamberlain West. Uh, it was. It was they were

747
00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:06,160
Speaker 1: a super team, although they all you know, Jerry West

748
00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:08,400
Speaker 1: just won the one championship as it turned out, as

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00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:13,720
Speaker 1: great as he was, but it was really the Busher

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00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:18,920
Speaker 1: and Bradley's input. So I think that had a lot

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00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:21,759
Speaker 1: to do with it. Because now you see benches where

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00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:25,320
Speaker 1: you know, they're hand coaches, you know, five sitting behind

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Speaker 1: the regular BENCHU and it's it's a completely different situation.

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00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:35,400
Speaker 1: And you know, it's advanced so uh dramatically in recent

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00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:38,160
Speaker 1: years in terms of what the coaches do in the

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00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:41,120
Speaker 1: video work, in the analytics. It's so different than the

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00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:45,600
Speaker 1: basics that Red Holsman a Red hour Back had, and

758
00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:49,600
Speaker 1: of course both had great success. What's the strangest thing

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00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:53,880
Speaker 1: you ever witnessed on the basketball floor? Well, this was

760
00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:57,399
Speaker 1: on the floor and off the floor, and that would

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00:38:57,440 --> 00:39:04,439
Speaker 1: be the finals game nineteen ninety four. That was Nick

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00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:11,080
Speaker 1: Houston and it was June's seventeenth, I believe. And I'm

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00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:16,160
Speaker 1: doing the game courtside, and all of a sudden, people

764
00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:19,920
Speaker 1: are looking at the monitors which were at the press table,

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00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:24,320
Speaker 1: and it was a day of the OJ Chase, and

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00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:28,520
Speaker 1: I'm going back and forth with the basketball play by

767
00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:32,360
Speaker 1: play and Tom Brokaw back in the NBC studio, and

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00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:39,200
Speaker 1: the players are wondering what's going on. In fact, pat

769
00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:43,880
Speaker 1: Riley asked what's happening? And Kenny Smith, who was there

770
00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:47,640
Speaker 1: with the Rockets, was right at the Nick bench. It

771
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:51,759
Speaker 1: was it was during a lull in the action, and

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00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:55,319
Speaker 1: Riley asked them, what's going on? He said, Kenny says

773
00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:59,840
Speaker 1: to Pat chasing OJ Simpson, which is not giving you

774
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:04,520
Speaker 1: much information now, But this went on right throughout people

775
00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:09,920
Speaker 1: who would near courtside when the press was at courtside,

776
00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:13,919
Speaker 1: and they had also TV monitors just hunched over all

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00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:18,480
Speaker 1: the newspaper men and watching the chase as this game

778
00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:21,239
Speaker 1: is going on in the finals. I would say that's

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00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:25,120
Speaker 1: that was the most bizarre I've been ever been part

780
00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:30,080
Speaker 1: of the other crazy moments I had what I was

781
00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:33,520
Speaker 1: doing in the Olympics for NBC and eighty eight and

782
00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:39,160
Speaker 1: Soul the Shamshill Students Gymnasium where the boxing was held,

783
00:40:39,719 --> 00:40:42,000
Speaker 1: and it was such a crazy setup and it came

784
00:40:42,040 --> 00:40:45,600
Speaker 1: out later as we suspected. There were so many fights

785
00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:47,800
Speaker 1: being fixed and you know those all kinds of stuff

786
00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:52,040
Speaker 1: going on. But they had two rings going at the

787
00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:56,080
Speaker 1: same time, so you had bouts in one one ring

788
00:40:56,200 --> 00:40:59,680
Speaker 1: and in another area you had bouts going on, and

789
00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:04,359
Speaker 1: the you know the bell that ends rounds from the ring,

790
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:09,600
Speaker 1: so at the far side would be heard at the

791
00:41:09,719 --> 00:41:12,600
Speaker 1: near side and boxes would stop, and a couple of

792
00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:16,799
Speaker 1: times guys were knocked out because they stopped fighting off

793
00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:19,239
Speaker 1: the bell they thought the round was over, you know,

794
00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:23,200
Speaker 1: And that was That was also the series of fights

795
00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:28,919
Speaker 1: where Roy Jones was robbed a decision and uh there's

796
00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:34,800
Speaker 1: another Uh you won the call Marble when the the

797
00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:39,040
Speaker 1: was it the Bruins and Rangers? And is this when

798
00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:42,600
Speaker 1: you had the fight in the stands? Were you on

799
00:41:42,719 --> 00:41:45,680
Speaker 1: the call with that one? You know? No, I wasn't.

800
00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:49,400
Speaker 1: I was doing a nick game out of town. But

801
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:53,280
Speaker 1: that was that was the situation where the Bruins actually

802
00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:56,480
Speaker 1: went up into the stands, which was to the right

803
00:41:56,640 --> 00:41:59,200
Speaker 1: of our broadcast booths, which was very low. That at

804
00:41:59,239 --> 00:42:03,480
Speaker 1: the garden was over what they call a vomitory where

805
00:42:03,560 --> 00:42:06,520
Speaker 1: the players came out. So I missed that. One was

806
00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:16,560
Speaker 1: Mike Milbury involved that he was beating somebody with his shoe, Yes, yeah, yeah,

807
00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:21,320
Speaker 1: I saw far too many fights when I was doing hockey,

808
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:25,240
Speaker 1: but I try to use my boxing play by playing

809
00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:29,200
Speaker 1: skills at the time. But I mean, I thought that

810
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:33,520
Speaker 1: had a pretty good hand alot in terms of cutting

811
00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:37,960
Speaker 1: down on it's it's ridiculous, I mean, but I think

812
00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:40,640
Speaker 1: there was the feeling that this is part of what

813
00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:45,239
Speaker 1: is attractive to a segment of fans. And then we

814
00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:49,560
Speaker 1: saw the Tom Wilson situation a couple of weeks ago

815
00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:52,360
Speaker 1: against the Rangers, and that was terrible, you know, so

816
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:57,319
Speaker 1: you know, I'm still wonderingness this time. You know, next

817
00:42:57,400 --> 00:43:00,479
Speaker 1: year in the fall. This sounds like something Leman would

818
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:02,279
Speaker 1: have done as his skit. He would have you down

819
00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:06,719
Speaker 1: at the park calling little kids playing basketball play by

820
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:11,320
Speaker 1: play because you're you're retiring, right, Yeah, that sounds like

821
00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:14,640
Speaker 1: something Letterman was doing. We had a similar skit once

822
00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:17,400
Speaker 1: where I'm calling the game. It's funny you mentioned this

823
00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:22,120
Speaker 1: because it was I was sitting on a couch in

824
00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:25,120
Speaker 1: his office. He had a basketball game on, and he

825
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:27,920
Speaker 1: asked me, this was a skit, it's a comment and

826
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:32,279
Speaker 1: call the game. So so Letterman has you on his

827
00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:36,120
Speaker 1: couch and you're watching a basketball game. Yeah yeah, and

828
00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:38,400
Speaker 1: then he tells me to cut it out. Yeah, I

829
00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:42,640
Speaker 1: was savod. Yeah. Also, you're doing play by play watching

830
00:43:42,680 --> 00:43:44,319
Speaker 1: the game with Dave, and Dave doesn't want to hear

831
00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:49,280
Speaker 1: you do exactly. Actually, you know, that's the way I started,

832
00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:52,600
Speaker 1: and my brothers Alan Stegho also did NBA games. We

833
00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:56,239
Speaker 1: would turn down the sound of the TV and do

834
00:43:56,400 --> 00:43:59,000
Speaker 1: games on our tape recorder and my son Kenny did

835
00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:02,440
Speaker 1: the same with basketball and hockey, and we had our

836
00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:08,480
Speaker 1: own fictitious radio station and it was great practice at

837
00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:11,200
Speaker 1: the time. Little did I know that I'd be doing

838
00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:16,120
Speaker 1: virtual calls these days of the television set, you know.

839
00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:19,200
Speaker 1: So it was good, good practice for what's taking place

840
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:24,160
Speaker 1: now with both TNT and ESPR. Great to talk to you,

841
00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:28,319
Speaker 1: have fun during the postseason, and please get my best

842
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:32,160
Speaker 1: to Heather and thanks thanks for joining us Mark anytime. Dan,

843
00:44:32,239 --> 00:44:35,360
Speaker 1: thank you. I enjoy listening and watching to watching you

844
00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:38,640
Speaker 1: all the time, so thanks so much. That's Marv Albert

845
00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:41,279
Speaker 1: going to retire at the end of the postseason. Fox

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