WEBVTT - The Room with Barbara Gray 0:00:00.440 --> 0:00:03.239 On the beck Dog Cast, the questions asked if movies 0:00:03.320 --> 0:00:06.920 have women in them? Are all their discussions just boyfriends 0:00:06.960 --> 0:00:11.879 and husbands? Do they have individualism? The patriarchy? Zef invest 0:00:12.280 --> 0:00:22.360 start changing it with the beck Del Cast. Oh, welcome 0:00:22.400 --> 0:00:26.200 to the beck Dodcast. I just did a can open 0:00:26.280 --> 0:00:28.280 of Mike's heart that was almost as long as the 0:00:28.360 --> 0:00:32.720 Tommy Wis sex scene. This is the Beckdel Cast. My 0:00:32.800 --> 0:00:35.120 name is Jamie, my name is Caitlin. This is our 0:00:35.159 --> 0:00:37.839 podcast that we have and we released on a weekly basis. 0:00:37.840 --> 0:00:39.559 And we talked about the bridge rail of women in 0:00:39.600 --> 0:00:41.760 movies and maybe you've seen them, maybe you haven't seen them. 0:00:41.760 --> 0:00:43.159 As up to you which ones you listen to? We 0:00:43.200 --> 0:00:47.000 don't know. We're not the police. I think you should 0:00:47.000 --> 0:00:50.920 watch every movie we talk about. We are now your 0:00:51.040 --> 0:00:54.080 new religion. You have to follow us. You have to 0:00:54.160 --> 0:00:57.960 believe everything we say. And that is the Bechtel Cast. 0:00:58.280 --> 0:01:01.320 My therapist is calling right now. Do you need to 0:01:01.320 --> 0:01:05.240 answer the phone. Do I have to tell okay, beer, 0:01:05.959 --> 0:01:10.479 let's pause. No, let's not. Pock let's not I'll be back, Okay, 0:01:10.520 --> 0:01:13.839 I'll I'll just chat for a moment. We have a pocas. 0:01:14.000 --> 0:01:17.279 It's inspired by the Bechtel Test, which is a test 0:01:17.319 --> 0:01:21.640 that requires that movies have at least one scene where 0:01:21.640 --> 0:01:24.080 there are two female characters. They have to talk to 0:01:24.120 --> 0:01:26.920 each other. Those characters have to have names, and their 0:01:26.959 --> 0:01:29.840 conversation has to be about something other than a man. Hey, 0:01:29.880 --> 0:01:33.200 guess what, No movies pass. Not a single one has 0:01:33.240 --> 0:01:37.720 ever passed the Bechtel test. Just kidding, but rarely they do. Anyway, Um, 0:01:37.800 --> 0:01:41.320 Jamie is off talking to her therapist, which means there's 0:01:41.360 --> 0:01:44.240 not much left to do except for me to introduce 0:01:44.319 --> 0:01:47.920 our guest. She's one of the co hosts of the 0:01:48.240 --> 0:01:54.920 Super Great Lady to Lady podcast, Barbara Gray. Hello, Hi Barbara, 0:01:55.600 --> 0:01:57.800 Thank you for so much drama so far, the start 0:01:57.960 --> 0:02:01.000 lemonade opening the therapy for own call. I feel like 0:02:01.400 --> 0:02:04.800 Wizo would be proud of this, right. There's no rhyme 0:02:04.840 --> 0:02:11.920 or reason and it's very complete nonsense. So talk about 0:02:12.000 --> 0:02:14.480 your history with this movie. When did you first see it? 0:02:14.520 --> 0:02:16.920 How many times have you seen it? I first saw it. 0:02:17.040 --> 0:02:19.480 I grew up in Salt Lake City and we're hanging 0:02:19.520 --> 0:02:21.960 out with my friends basement and my friend Bob was like, 0:02:22.040 --> 0:02:24.280 you gotta see this movie. He kind of told us 0:02:24.320 --> 0:02:26.399 about it and this was like this is a while ago. 0:02:26.440 --> 0:02:29.639 I mean like fifth well came out an oh three. 0:02:29.680 --> 0:02:31.119 By the way, we're talking about the room. I don't 0:02:31.120 --> 0:02:33.280 know if that was ever. I guess this was maybe 0:02:33.520 --> 0:02:37.000 like this must have been like two thousand five or 0:02:37.040 --> 0:02:40.320 something there, two thousand and six. So he just shows 0:02:40.360 --> 0:02:42.560 us the flower shop scene. That's all he shows us. 0:02:43.160 --> 0:02:46.720 And then yeah, like the craziest scene of all time, 0:02:46.760 --> 0:02:50.200 the weirdest timing you've ever seen in anything, like Hi, 0:02:50.520 --> 0:02:52.840 you're my favorite customer. But it's just and I was like, 0:02:52.880 --> 0:02:54.400 I need to see all of this immediately. I want 0:02:54.440 --> 0:02:55.720 to see this movie. So we watched all of it. 0:02:55.880 --> 0:02:56.880 So the first time I ever watched it was like 0:02:56.880 --> 0:02:58.320 a basement with my friends. And then when I moved 0:02:58.320 --> 0:02:59.880 to l A, we went to the five year and 0:03:00.120 --> 0:03:03.880 versary screening of it and it was just like a 0:03:03.919 --> 0:03:06.959 magical experience because people were doing all the interactive stuff 0:03:07.440 --> 0:03:09.040 at the perfect time. We just had a really good 0:03:09.040 --> 0:03:11.919 theater and it was all like really fun. And because 0:03:11.960 --> 0:03:15.400 people like throws at you know something, there's so much 0:03:15.600 --> 0:03:18.679 people have written like weird interactive stuff that works really well. 0:03:19.200 --> 0:03:20.600 Like there's a scene the movie, you know, that scene 0:03:20.639 --> 0:03:22.640 where She's like, I'm going to get you drunk, which 0:03:22.720 --> 0:03:24.560 he's obviously never drank before, so he doesn't know what 0:03:24.639 --> 0:03:27.560 alcohol is. So she brings out, no, I don't. Yeah, 0:03:27.840 --> 0:03:30.520 she like brings out two glasses of what looks like 0:03:30.520 --> 0:03:34.040 whiskey and then she puts vodka on top of it, 0:03:34.120 --> 0:03:40.480 and he goes good, Like Eddie gets drunk immediately. It's 0:03:40.640 --> 0:03:44.200 amazing use of symbolism because we're led to believe, oh, 0:03:44.400 --> 0:03:47.760 they're drunk because there's a tie around someone's head. That's 0:03:47.840 --> 0:03:50.200 the simple. And also they drink the entire ball box. 0:03:50.240 --> 0:03:53.160 You would be like having alcohol poison at that point. 0:03:53.600 --> 0:03:57.960 But I love you so much and I have wasted, wasted, 0:03:58.040 --> 0:04:01.880 I love you. Yeah, you have nice flags, you have 0:04:02.040 --> 0:04:06.160 nice pecks. It's weird. But the first time so I 0:04:06.160 --> 0:04:07.920 saw that screening and this guy like stood up in 0:04:07.960 --> 0:04:09.480 a robe and he was like, here's how you make 0:04:09.520 --> 0:04:11.120 a Scotch gun. He had this whole thing. It was 0:04:11.160 --> 0:04:14.040 just this really fun, interactive aspect to it. And I 0:04:14.040 --> 0:04:16.320 have seen it so way too many times, Like I 0:04:16.320 --> 0:04:18.440 hadn't seen it in a while. I watched it last 0:04:18.520 --> 0:04:20.840 night and I was like, oh my god, Like I know, 0:04:21.240 --> 0:04:24.720 I remember too much of this movie. Yeah, but I've 0:04:24.720 --> 0:04:27.160 always let's you know, it's got a special place in 0:04:27.200 --> 0:04:31.239 my heart for sure. Watching it with this intention was different. 0:04:31.760 --> 0:04:35.239 Sure it was. I had to watch it two times. 0:04:35.240 --> 0:04:37.279 I usually only watched it once before that. But it 0:04:37.320 --> 0:04:40.040 was like, you can't. I hadn't seen it in years, 0:04:40.200 --> 0:04:43.080 and so it's like I couldn't just watch it like, oh, 0:04:43.200 --> 0:04:46.440 this time I'm watching the room for its female characters. 0:04:46.440 --> 0:04:49.080 Like I just had to watch it once. Ye, fun, 0:04:49.880 --> 0:04:52.320 and that was great, And then the second time was 0:04:52.680 --> 0:04:57.320 almost like it was a totally different experience. Yeah. Well 0:04:57.560 --> 0:05:00.360 I had never seen this before until a couple of 0:05:00.440 --> 0:05:05.320 days ago, and I have since watched it four times. Yeah, 0:05:05.680 --> 0:05:07.880 that makes me so happy to new record. So I 0:05:07.880 --> 0:05:10.160 watched it once by myself. The next day, Jamie and 0:05:10.200 --> 0:05:14.400 I watched it together. We were drinking cord. Yeah, we 0:05:14.400 --> 0:05:16.000 were in bed. That's the way to do it. It 0:05:16.080 --> 0:05:19.440 was sexy watch it in bed. Then I watched it 0:05:19.480 --> 0:05:22.480 the following day again the Riff Tracks version of it. 0:05:22.600 --> 0:05:25.919 And then I saw it again this morning because I 0:05:26.000 --> 0:05:28.880 keep I'm like, I don't know what this movie is about. 0:05:30.560 --> 0:05:32.320 You just are like what am I what? What? Where 0:05:32.320 --> 0:05:34.719 am I going? I still feel unprepared. And I've watched 0:05:34.720 --> 0:05:37.800 it four times in the past three days. So we 0:05:37.839 --> 0:05:41.360 don't even need to talk about like how terrible it is. 0:05:41.400 --> 0:05:45.080 It's already been discussed on a million different platforms. It's 0:05:45.120 --> 0:05:47.480 going to be very hard to find something to say 0:05:47.520 --> 0:05:50.240 about this movie that has not been said already. That 0:05:50.440 --> 0:05:53.520 is an interesting challenge, but we at the Bechtel cast 0:05:53.600 --> 0:05:58.640 are always challenging ourselves. We're always pushing it. We are wait, 0:05:58.680 --> 0:06:02.360 we are challenged. We have a lot. I don't know. 0:06:03.440 --> 0:06:07.279 I drag a Mike's heart before the episode started about therapist. 0:06:07.279 --> 0:06:10.080 He's man, oh, no, I'm not doing what do not 0:06:10.160 --> 0:06:13.240 show up to something? No, he's a phone therapist. He 0:06:13.520 --> 0:06:15.840 lives inside my phone. And he was like, did you 0:06:15.880 --> 0:06:17.880 go to the pharmacy. I was like no, and he 0:06:18.000 --> 0:06:21.200 was like, well go. I was like, fine, what if 0:06:21.200 --> 0:06:25.159 the character Peter from this movie was your therapist. We 0:06:25.160 --> 0:06:28.680 don't be a psychologist Peter, even though in like two 0:06:28.720 --> 0:06:30.480 seconds ago he was like, give me your opinion as 0:06:30.520 --> 0:06:33.720 a psychologist. Yeah, he there's just no rhyme of reason 0:06:33.920 --> 0:06:37.040 and like it's just everything he writes contradicts itself. Two 0:06:37.080 --> 0:06:39.960 seconds later, so really quick, before I know we should 0:06:40.080 --> 0:06:43.600 try to go into some sort of summary of this movie. 0:06:43.640 --> 0:06:47.239 But I've seen this movie, I would guess six times 0:06:47.279 --> 0:06:49.240 now because I've seen it twice in the past couple 0:06:49.240 --> 0:06:52.359 of days. Is the guy in the flesh tone sweater 0:06:52.440 --> 0:06:54.920 who shows up at the party scene. Is he supposed 0:06:55.000 --> 0:06:59.320 to be He's supposed to be Peter. Yeah, concerned concerned 0:06:59.320 --> 0:07:01.960 white shirt is what we always called him, and he 0:07:01.960 --> 0:07:04.880 he definitely replaced Peter because I don't think Peter could 0:07:04.880 --> 0:07:06.840 show up or something, and so that guy takes the 0:07:06.920 --> 0:07:09.320 role of Peter, being like, you're ruining our circle of 0:07:09.400 --> 0:07:12.000 friends and it's like, who are who are you? I 0:07:12.120 --> 0:07:14.560 just come from absolutely nowhere. I registered with me for 0:07:14.600 --> 0:07:17.400 the first time. On the last viewing I did this 0:07:17.440 --> 0:07:19.480 morning of it. I was like, Oh, he's supposed to 0:07:19.480 --> 0:07:21.120 be the guy that kept looking into the camera that 0:07:21.160 --> 0:07:24.720 I thought was cute. It looks like David Wayne. I 0:07:24.720 --> 0:07:27.960 feel like, David Wayne, you should play him? And I 0:07:27.960 --> 0:07:30.040 don't know he well. We were talking about this when 0:07:30.040 --> 0:07:33.720 we were watching the film in bed together, that that 0:07:33.760 --> 0:07:35.920 guy was the most my type, and then I think 0:07:35.920 --> 0:07:38.240 we decided that the guy who replaces that guy was 0:07:38.280 --> 0:07:41.880 the most yours. I want to make it no one 0:07:41.920 --> 0:07:45.880 in this movie. First of all, they're all what even Mark, 0:07:46.400 --> 0:07:52.800 Mark is a Chode Brownie paper under study. He is 0:07:52.840 --> 0:07:56.480 not rule out Chodes. I mean I wouldn't. I wouldn't 0:07:56.480 --> 0:08:01.160 have any history. Yeah, I would still be a virgin 0:08:01.200 --> 0:08:06.040 if there were. Don't count the sheds out this movie. 0:08:06.200 --> 0:08:08.040 There's too many white people, and therefore none of them 0:08:08.080 --> 0:08:11.600 are my type. Anyway, I guess was always white. I 0:08:11.680 --> 0:08:16.240 honestly think he's an alien stuffed into even the sex scenes. 0:08:16.560 --> 0:08:19.440 It's like there's like things moving under his skin. He's 0:08:19.480 --> 0:08:24.680 literally a mannequin from the body's exhibiting. It's really so bad. 0:08:25.120 --> 0:08:27.840 It's so bizarre. Well, he has such an alien's understanding 0:08:27.880 --> 0:08:30.880 of like what masculinity is, and like, oh, I guess 0:08:30.880 --> 0:08:34.080 men throw footballs around. Yeah, men throw footballs like love 0:08:34.160 --> 0:08:37.559 means roses and chocolate. The chocolate scene is so weird. 0:08:37.559 --> 0:08:39.200 When the two random people show up to make out, 0:08:39.480 --> 0:08:42.040 they're like, they put a full pieces of chocolate like 0:08:42.040 --> 0:08:45.040 a Snicker's bar in their mouth and then they make out. 0:08:45.120 --> 0:08:47.160 Who has ever done that? My favorite part of that 0:08:47.200 --> 0:08:52.280 scene don't judge I did that yesterday. My favorite part 0:08:52.280 --> 0:08:55.040 of that thing is when they're burst in on by 0:08:55.200 --> 0:08:58.080 Lisa and Lisa's mom, and then Liza's mom was like, 0:08:58.120 --> 0:09:00.840 this is weird, this is gross, and then she sits 0:09:01.000 --> 0:09:05.360 in what very well could be I didn't think about that, 0:09:05.400 --> 0:09:08.240 and she's like, oh my god. I all I could 0:09:08.240 --> 0:09:11.040 think of was with the maybe squishy noise that could 0:09:11.040 --> 0:09:13.280 have happened. I want to hear a summer. Are you 0:09:13.280 --> 0:09:15.320 gonna do? I want to hear you try, like, I 0:09:15.360 --> 0:09:17.400 just want to hear what this This might be the 0:09:17.440 --> 0:09:21.000 one that I don't interrupt, just to here we go. 0:09:21.160 --> 0:09:28.400 Caitlin's famous recap The Room is about a man named 0:09:28.600 --> 0:09:34.240 Johnny and his fiance Lisa. So far, so good. They 0:09:34.320 --> 0:09:40.439 live in the room The Room, but also a lot 0:09:40.480 --> 0:09:43.839 of the scenes take place on the roof. So I'm 0:09:43.880 --> 0:09:46.080 waiting for a sequel called the Room. Oh my god, Yeah, 0:09:46.080 --> 0:09:50.199 we should see what's happening on the roof during what's happening? Please? Yeah, 0:09:50.280 --> 0:09:53.640 the roof is the roof of the room, right, Yes, 0:09:53.960 --> 0:09:56.760 I guess they were living in an apartment building. Even 0:09:56.760 --> 0:10:00.240 though they are always going directly outside, they're never going 0:10:00.240 --> 0:10:02.480 into it. I mean it's not out of the question, 0:10:03.000 --> 0:10:05.600 but they're always coming. They're always either in the room, 0:10:05.679 --> 0:10:07.880 or emerging from a little shed on top of the roof, 0:10:08.160 --> 0:10:11.680 the roof, weird aluminum shed that they all have to 0:10:11.679 --> 0:10:15.080 like duck. If you're searching for logic or continuity, you 0:10:15.120 --> 0:10:18.640 won't find it in this movie. Okay, but sorry, sorry. 0:10:19.040 --> 0:10:23.280 So these two people have been in a relationship for 0:10:23.559 --> 0:10:28.280 seven years between five and seven. This actress who plays 0:10:28.360 --> 0:10:31.080 Lisa is twenty three when this movie is released, which 0:10:31.120 --> 0:10:37.959 means crunch the number she's born in December was like, 0:10:38.600 --> 0:10:41.320 when this movie is released, he's dating a literal child. 0:10:41.559 --> 0:10:46.120 It's not good. They're in a relationship and they're engaged. 0:10:46.320 --> 0:10:49.600 She's his future wife, is said in the movie eight thousands. 0:10:50.679 --> 0:10:53.160 So they have sex is one of the first things. 0:10:54.400 --> 0:10:57.800 And then in case you forget, they have the exact 0:10:57.840 --> 0:11:00.319 they take the same footage from the same sex as 0:11:00.559 --> 0:11:03.920 put it later. But even though they seem to be 0:11:04.000 --> 0:11:07.079 in love, shortly after the first time they have sex, 0:11:07.520 --> 0:11:10.240 Lisa talks to her mom and she's like, I don't 0:11:10.360 --> 0:11:14.400 love him anymore. That was more life than you put 0:11:14.440 --> 0:11:18.760 into that reading of that line. And her mom, Claudette, 0:11:18.920 --> 0:11:25.360 is like, Johnny is good for you your financial security. Meanwhile, 0:11:25.640 --> 0:11:29.280 she's calling this guy Mark who is Johnny's best friend. Again, 0:11:29.360 --> 0:11:33.680 we only know this because it said in the movie Times. 0:11:34.720 --> 0:11:38.079 But she has apparently been having this affair with Mark, 0:11:38.240 --> 0:11:40.600 so she loves Mark and she doesn't love Johnny anymore. 0:11:40.760 --> 0:11:44.200 But Johnny is busy. I'm not Johnny, Sorry, Mark busy, 0:11:44.600 --> 0:11:47.320 I'm really busy right now. And then they also have 0:11:47.440 --> 0:11:54.000 a little boy, flash college student thirty years old. His 0:11:54.080 --> 0:11:57.840 name is Denny. Denny. He comes over and what likes 0:11:57.880 --> 0:12:00.839 to watch them have pillow fights. Yeah, he's in love 0:12:00.880 --> 0:12:03.000 with Lisa. He's in love with Lisa, but he also 0:12:03.080 --> 0:12:07.240 has a girlfriend who he mentions and he's like, yeah, 0:12:07.280 --> 0:12:09.199 I can't wait to marry her. Enough kids with her. 0:12:09.400 --> 0:12:16.760 That's the idea any relationship. This premise of her not 0:12:16.880 --> 0:12:18.920 being in love with Johnny anymore and instead of being 0:12:18.960 --> 0:12:22.800 in love with Mark repeats itself for about forty five 0:12:22.880 --> 0:12:28.600 minutes in a in a bunch of different vaudeville right. 0:12:28.720 --> 0:12:33.200 Sometimes these scenes are punctuated by men tossing a football 0:12:33.480 --> 0:12:36.440 around or going to a flower shop. From what I 0:12:36.480 --> 0:12:38.280 can tell, there is not a scene that takes place 0:12:38.280 --> 0:12:40.080 on the roof where there is not a man with 0:12:40.240 --> 0:12:43.920 a sports ball, because the first when we see Denny 0:12:44.000 --> 0:12:46.160 on the roof and he's in trouble with the guy 0:12:46.200 --> 0:12:51.880 in the tank top and the beanie which Chris name 0:12:52.040 --> 0:12:57.680 official name Chris R. Chris R has a money and 0:12:57.720 --> 0:13:02.880 then that really protracted scene between Claudet and and any 0:13:02.920 --> 0:13:06.240 of like what kind of money Danny, And he's like, 0:13:06.520 --> 0:13:08.800 I don't know, it doesn't matter, and then they're like 0:13:08.880 --> 0:13:11.320 what kind of money? What kind? That's like, what are 0:13:11.320 --> 0:13:15.480 you talking about? But you would be American dollars? But 0:13:15.720 --> 0:13:18.280 less we forget at the beginning of this seed, before 0:13:18.360 --> 0:13:23.720 Chris R. Enters with his gun and his body, Um, 0:13:23.880 --> 0:13:28.360 Danny is on the roof alone dribbling a basketball, right, 0:13:28.480 --> 0:13:30.400 and then later Mark's got the football. Yeah, you're right, 0:13:30.440 --> 0:13:32.800 I think every single time. But I think when Mark 0:13:32.840 --> 0:13:37.839 and Peter up there, it's just a joint Prop and Peter. 0:13:38.080 --> 0:13:42.439 We chance out of Mark. But that's neither here nor 0:13:42.520 --> 0:13:47.000 their love. Peter he's the only one who is not 0:13:47.200 --> 0:13:50.320 because of his very tiny glasses. He's not like the 0:13:50.360 --> 0:13:54.880 other guys. Hall like, I leave him alone, Okay, leave 0:13:54.880 --> 0:13:57.360 Peter out of this. There is that great one in 0:13:57.440 --> 0:14:01.000 the first part where Tommy and Peter are king. Peter 0:14:01.120 --> 0:14:03.400 is such a bad actor. You know, Tommy is like 0:14:03.679 --> 0:14:08.600 Lisa's cheating on me, and Peters like Lisa, and the 0:14:08.600 --> 0:14:10.719 implication is supposed to be but Lisa is such a 0:14:10.760 --> 0:14:13.319 good person. But with the way Peter says, it just 0:14:13.360 --> 0:14:16.199 sounds like Lisa. Does someone else want to fuck Lisa? 0:14:16.960 --> 0:14:20.200 Like the whole time, like you just like her? Could 0:14:20.240 --> 0:14:23.960 he keep? Yeah? Where I was like, I don't know, 0:14:24.080 --> 0:14:27.840 she is cheating on me with my and then it 0:14:27.880 --> 0:14:31.040 cuts back to Peter again He's like, wait, Lisa, really, 0:14:31.880 --> 0:14:33.720 I was like, Okay, we get it. You don't think 0:14:33.760 --> 0:14:40.440 Lisa's egg exact exactly, but everyone else thinks Lisa's hot 0:14:40.480 --> 0:14:43.840 because it's again said in the movie four times. Also, 0:14:43.880 --> 0:14:47.080 if you're having a hard time following this recap, don't worry. 0:14:47.280 --> 0:14:50.240 The movie is also impossible to follow. There's one of 0:14:50.240 --> 0:14:51.920 my favorite parts I like seeing it live was that 0:14:51.960 --> 0:14:54.280 there is a I can't remember what scene exactly it's after, 0:14:54.800 --> 0:14:59.560 but there is about twenty minutes where absolutely no new 0:14:59.560 --> 0:15:02.280 ine for me is given. It's when him and Mark 0:15:02.320 --> 0:15:04.440 are playing football and and like there's a scene with 0:15:04.440 --> 0:15:06.120 the mom again. And that was the part they called 0:15:06.120 --> 0:15:07.560 the seventh thing and stretch where they were like, go 0:15:07.600 --> 0:15:09.960 have a cigarette break, go to the bathroom. You will 0:15:10.000 --> 0:15:13.200 find out nothing new for the next twenty minutes or 0:15:13.280 --> 0:15:16.080 just like hang out, and then we finally get to 0:15:16.080 --> 0:15:17.920 the birthday party that they've been talking about for like 0:15:18.080 --> 0:15:21.520 the entire right, Okay, So yeah, so here's what happens. Basically, 0:15:22.040 --> 0:15:26.480 she's cheating on Johnny with Mark. Johnny overhears her talking 0:15:26.480 --> 0:15:28.960 about this with her mother. Lisa's like, I'm in love 0:15:29.000 --> 0:15:30.880 with Mark and I had sex with him. So he's 0:15:30.920 --> 0:15:33.400 also Lisa starts talking about Johnny hitting her. She starts 0:15:33.440 --> 0:15:36.600 making her store, but then he does push her, and 0:15:36.600 --> 0:15:38.400 then it's like, well, I guess this has become a 0:15:38.440 --> 0:15:43.120 non issue. She was capable. But then she also makes up. 0:15:43.200 --> 0:15:46.000 She tells him that she was pregnant, and she's like, 0:15:46.040 --> 0:15:48.120 I just made that up to make things more interesting. 0:15:48.720 --> 0:15:52.320 This this batoine never comes back, not even as spoiler 0:15:52.440 --> 0:15:55.480 in the end, or Johnny kills himself, never knowing if 0:15:55.520 --> 0:15:59.360 his girlfriend's actually pregnant or not. Right right there, So 0:15:59.840 --> 0:16:03.640 he overhears Lisa being like, I'm I had sex with Mark, 0:16:04.040 --> 0:16:07.120 and Johnny's like, well, okay, and then he taps his 0:16:07.160 --> 0:16:11.760 own phone. Yeah, I'll recall everything, and then later on 0:16:12.400 --> 0:16:16.240 the party has happened. He sees them canoodling, Like Johnny 0:16:16.240 --> 0:16:20.520 sees Mark and Lisa. Yeah, they're like making out and 0:16:20.560 --> 0:16:24.520 then he and Mark fight a couple of times. Everyone 0:16:24.640 --> 0:16:28.720 leaves and Johnny's locked himself in the bathroom and Lisa 0:16:28.760 --> 0:16:31.400 calls Mark and she's like, I love you, I can't 0:16:31.480 --> 0:16:35.520 just bitch. Oh yeah, He's like calling a bitch you 0:16:35.600 --> 0:16:40.640 and your stupid mother, and she's like oh, And Mark 0:16:40.720 --> 0:16:42.720 takes a total turn and he's not Johnny for anymore. 0:16:42.720 --> 0:16:46.000 He's like, why don't you leave that looser creep? That 0:16:46.120 --> 0:16:50.600 crevations are so weird. My favorite part of Johnny setting 0:16:50.680 --> 0:16:53.400 up that whole tape recorder in that protracted scene that 0:16:53.600 --> 0:16:56.360 was for some reason not edited at all where he's 0:16:56.360 --> 0:16:59.000 making weird kissy face as while setting up a tape 0:16:59.000 --> 0:17:02.080 recorder in two thousand and three were taper like we're 0:17:02.120 --> 0:17:06.359 also read anyways, he sets that up, but what is 0:17:06.359 --> 0:17:10.680 he hoping to discover that hasn't just been stated that? 0:17:10.800 --> 0:17:12.719 She was like, I'm cheating on you, and he's a 0:17:12.720 --> 0:17:14.640 proof of like a murder, Like you could just say, 0:17:15.000 --> 0:17:18.760 I heard you said you're cheating on me, Like and 0:17:18.840 --> 0:17:21.040 now I'm going to set something up so I find 0:17:21.040 --> 0:17:23.199 out if she's cheating. I was like, you just already 0:17:24.200 --> 0:17:26.160 at the end, and this is like a fun part 0:17:26.160 --> 0:17:28.879 of the riff tracks too. He sneaks back up the 0:17:29.000 --> 0:17:32.679 stairs when he knows snow one is there. Well. He 0:17:32.720 --> 0:17:35.119 also takes out the tape after like weeks of it 0:17:35.240 --> 0:17:41.000 being recorded on one like this. This audio cassette automatically 0:17:41.240 --> 0:17:44.399 fast forwards to the pertinent parts. Also, it's capable of 0:17:44.400 --> 0:17:47.040 recording hundreds of hours of us. I mean, it knows 0:17:47.119 --> 0:17:51.639 there's there's a I at work here. Let's bring into it. 0:17:52.400 --> 0:17:55.680 Let's bring him And where where is he? I know 0:17:55.760 --> 0:18:02.520 where story He's a near right now. Well, we'll be 0:18:02.520 --> 0:18:05.399 there soon. We can hang out with him. He he 0:18:05.480 --> 0:18:07.080 wants nothing to do with me. I just have to 0:18:07.119 --> 0:18:11.080 accept it. Have you tried to contact him? Oh? Yes, 0:18:11.520 --> 0:18:13.840 oh man. And at this point it's like, you have 0:18:14.000 --> 0:18:17.040 very strange taste. I really love Haley Dog. You're like 0:18:17.119 --> 0:18:22.080 Tommy Uzzo and he's Lisa. He's successible. If I feel 0:18:22.119 --> 0:18:24.520 like you could find Peter pretty easily from the movie, 0:18:24.560 --> 0:18:27.359 Peter's hundred percent around. I found recent pictures of him 0:18:27.400 --> 0:18:31.280 and he looks the same. Oh good, well anyways, so 0:18:31.400 --> 0:18:35.960 basically he lets press on. Johnny records this conversation where 0:18:36.040 --> 0:18:38.359 Lisa calls Mark and it's like I love you and 0:18:38.440 --> 0:18:41.720 Johnny sucks, and then he has this recording and then 0:18:41.720 --> 0:18:45.000 he freaks out. He trashes a room. Lisa's like, I'm 0:18:45.080 --> 0:18:50.520 leaving you. She leaves, Johnny kills himself. He sucks, he 0:18:50.600 --> 0:18:57.720 humps her dress and then he and then he shoots 0:18:57.760 --> 0:19:01.480 himself in the head. Mark, Lisa and Denny I'll come back. 0:19:01.520 --> 0:19:04.919 They're like, is he asleep? Wake up? Wait? Is hest upset? 0:19:04.960 --> 0:19:08.639 That like not the whole cast of the movie, because 0:19:08.640 --> 0:19:10.880 like Claude to come in and just be like, what's 0:19:10.880 --> 0:19:16.600 going on here? Like Claudette, she might be my favorite character. Yeah, 0:19:16.600 --> 0:19:21.159 and that's the story. Uh, that was pretty concise. I know. 0:19:21.240 --> 0:19:22.800 It feels like we spoiled the n by saying he 0:19:22.880 --> 0:19:24.679 kills himself, But I forget every time I watch it 0:19:24.720 --> 0:19:26.720 that that's what happens, because there's just so much. It 0:19:26.800 --> 0:19:29.040 has almost no bearer. You did too when we were 0:19:29.080 --> 0:19:32.320 watching it and you're like like two years and I 0:19:32.359 --> 0:19:33.760 was I was like, oh, yeah, that is how it 0:19:34.480 --> 0:19:37.600 well because it has no consequences. Then, like I guess 0:19:37.840 --> 0:19:42.600 Mark is like, well, I don't actually, but that has 0:19:42.760 --> 0:19:45.879 I mean, not that anyone's emotionally engaged with this story, 0:19:45.920 --> 0:19:48.959 but like no one gives a funk that Mark takes 0:19:49.359 --> 0:19:53.080 no responsibility at any point, Like it's it's so funny 0:19:53.119 --> 0:19:55.639 how every point like after he and Lisa funk for 0:19:55.680 --> 0:19:58.479 what we understand it's happened before. And then he's just like, 0:19:58.520 --> 0:20:01.800 I can't believe that happened, And I was just like, you, 0:20:02.119 --> 0:20:08.640 you're fucking his best friend. You willingly participated first of all, Marcus, 0:20:08.760 --> 0:20:11.160 I got I got in there, I got mixed up, 0:20:12.080 --> 0:20:14.320 but it was like it was like she he's acting 0:20:14.359 --> 0:20:16.359 at every point where I was just like Lisa just 0:20:16.440 --> 0:20:19.240 like tripped and fell on his deck, and he's just like, 0:20:19.280 --> 0:20:21.560 I don't understand how this happened. Well, she's like she 0:20:21.640 --> 0:20:24.520 seduces him like fourteen different times, and each time he's like, 0:20:24.640 --> 0:20:27.680 what's going on. He's like, have you I don't even 0:20:27.680 --> 0:20:29.320 know if he's a misogynist, he might just be dumb 0:20:29.320 --> 0:20:33.080 as rocks. He's very stupid. He's very stupid. Everyone they're 0:20:33.080 --> 0:20:36.320 all very stupid. And let's use this as an opportunity 0:20:36.520 --> 0:20:41.280 to transition into the conversation about women. So we have 0:20:41.440 --> 0:20:47.200 like three three Lisa the main character. We'll get into her, 0:20:47.760 --> 0:20:53.240 then her mother Claudette, and her Michelle. I also like 0:20:53.359 --> 0:20:57.800 a lot well Michelle. Michelle's like the best actress in 0:20:57.840 --> 0:21:01.119 the entire Yes, yes, that's it. That is true. That 0:21:01.160 --> 0:21:03.840 factors into it. Yeah, maybe it's just because she has 0:21:04.080 --> 0:21:06.840 so little screen time. We don't, right, She's up against 0:21:06.920 --> 0:21:12.679 a lot that has been said below a surface level. 0:21:13.840 --> 0:21:16.440 So she does fine. Right, But if we're just sort 0:21:16.480 --> 0:21:20.200 of giving an overview of these characters, Lisa is like, 0:21:20.960 --> 0:21:24.040 I mean, Lisa's probably like so they call her a 0:21:24.080 --> 0:21:28.200 sociopath in it, yes, but her character arc makes no sense. 0:21:28.960 --> 0:21:33.719 I guess she's like she's actively right exactly. So, I mean, again, 0:21:34.040 --> 0:21:36.639 this is like a crazy movie to talk about because 0:21:37.040 --> 0:21:40.320 usually we're discussing movies that have like gone through a 0:21:40.359 --> 0:21:44.680 couple of drafts. They've attempted like a full character for her. 0:21:45.000 --> 0:21:47.960 Draft of this movie was a six hundred page book. 0:21:49.720 --> 0:21:51.960 I'm not surprised because he doesn't cut. I don't think 0:21:51.960 --> 0:21:55.040 he cuts anything. The deleted scenes on the DVD are 0:21:55.160 --> 0:21:57.600 just the same scenes that were shot somewhere else, So 0:21:57.640 --> 0:22:01.080 he did not anybody was shot in thirty five millimeter 0:22:01.200 --> 0:22:04.399 and digital digital at the same time, cameras next to 0:22:04.440 --> 0:22:08.119 each other, and there are some shots where apparently neither 0:22:08.200 --> 0:22:13.560 of the shots are focused being turned in. It's a boy. 0:22:14.080 --> 0:22:18.600 So Lisa is, yeah, I suppose a sociopath, even though 0:22:18.640 --> 0:22:21.760 it just sort of seems like she doesn't love Johnny 0:22:21.760 --> 0:22:25.040 anymore and she'd rather be with Mark, but she's manipulating 0:22:25.440 --> 0:22:29.560 definitely Johnny. But either way, her character is poised. Is 0:22:29.560 --> 0:22:32.679 this like very she's bored and she's just trying to 0:22:32.840 --> 0:22:35.080 mix it up, I mean, and she would be bored 0:22:35.080 --> 0:22:37.399 because she we never see her outside of that house. 0:22:37.480 --> 0:22:40.040 Literally the only information we get about her outside world 0:22:40.119 --> 0:22:43.480 is that she says, you're right, the computer business is tough, 0:22:43.720 --> 0:22:46.680 and that's what apparently her job is trying to get. 0:22:46.840 --> 0:22:49.919