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Speaker 1: On the beck Dog Cast, the questions asked if movies

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Speaker 1: and husbands? Do they have individualism? The patriarchy? Zef invest

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Speaker 1: start changing it with the beck Del Cast. Oh, welcome

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Speaker 1: to the beck Dodcast. I just did a can open

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Speaker 1: of Mike's heart that was almost as long as the

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Speaker 1: Tommy Wis sex scene. This is the Beckdel Cast. My

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Speaker 1: name is Jamie, my name is Caitlin. This is our

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Speaker 1: podcast that we have and we released on a weekly basis.

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Speaker 1: And we talked about the bridge rail of women in

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Speaker 1: movies and maybe you've seen them, maybe you haven't seen them.

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Speaker 1: As up to you which ones you listen to? We

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Speaker 1: don't know. We're not the police. I think you should

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Speaker 1: watch every movie we talk about. We are now your

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Speaker 1: new religion. You have to follow us. You have to

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Speaker 1: believe everything we say. And that is the Bechtel Cast.

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Speaker 1: My therapist is calling right now. Do you need to

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Speaker 1: answer the phone. Do I have to tell okay, beer,

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Speaker 1: let's pause. No, let's not. Pock let's not I'll be back, Okay,

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Speaker 1: I'll I'll just chat for a moment. We have a pocas.

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Speaker 1: It's inspired by the Bechtel Test, which is a test

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Speaker 1: that requires that movies have at least one scene where

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Speaker 1: there are two female characters. They have to talk to

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Speaker 1: each other. Those characters have to have names, and their

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Speaker 1: conversation has to be about something other than a man. Hey,

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Speaker 1: guess what, No movies pass. Not a single one has

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Speaker 1: ever passed the Bechtel test. Just kidding, but rarely they do. Anyway, Um,

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Speaker 1: Jamie is off talking to her therapist, which means there's

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Speaker 1: not much left to do except for me to introduce

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Speaker 1: our guest. She's one of the co hosts of the

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Speaker 1: Super Great Lady to Lady podcast, Barbara Gray. Hello, Hi Barbara,

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Speaker 1: Thank you for so much drama so far, the start

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Speaker 1: lemonade opening the therapy for own call. I feel like

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Speaker 1: Wizo would be proud of this, right. There's no rhyme

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Speaker 1: or reason and it's very complete nonsense. So talk about

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Speaker 1: your history with this movie. When did you first see it?

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Speaker 1: How many times have you seen it? I first saw it.

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Speaker 1: I grew up in Salt Lake City and we're hanging

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Speaker 1: I mean like fifth well came out an oh three.

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Speaker 1: By the way, we're talking about the room. I don't

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Speaker 1: And then yeah, like the craziest scene of all time,

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Speaker 1: the weirdest timing you've ever seen in anything, like Hi,

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Speaker 1: you're my favorite customer. But it's just and I was like,

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Speaker 1: So the first time I ever watched it was like

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Speaker 1: people have written like weird interactive stuff that works really well.

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Speaker 1: Like there's a scene the movie, you know, that scene

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Speaker 1: But I love you so much and I have wasted, wasted,

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Speaker 1: means roses and chocolate. The chocolate scene is so weird.

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Speaker 1: Johnny and his fiance Lisa. So far, so good. They

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Speaker 1: waiting for a sequel called the Room. Oh my god, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we should see what's happening on the roof during what's happening? Please? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: like duck. If you're searching for logic or continuity, you

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Speaker 1: means crunch the number she's born in December was like,

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Speaker 1: It's not good. They're in a relationship and they're engaged.

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Speaker 1: But she has apparently been having this affair with Mark,

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Speaker 1: but no, you can't break his heart, and it's like, Michell,

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00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:10,400
Speaker 1: she just said even though it wasn't true until it

424
00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:13,320
Speaker 1: was later, and then I mean, your friend just said

425
00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:16,399
Speaker 1: that her fiance's hitting right, He's like but you Ke's

426
00:24:16,440 --> 00:24:20,520
Speaker 1: so excited for the wedding. It's like, man, everyone sucks

427
00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:25,600
Speaker 1: every Yeah, that's basically the everyone sucks is that everyone? Yeah,

428
00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:28,000
Speaker 1: the men and the women. But the women are poised

429
00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:34,240
Speaker 1: as these evil succubis, controlling, manipulative beings, which is pretty

430
00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:39,400
Speaker 1: clearly how Tommy women who broke his heart. I want

431
00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:42,119
Speaker 1: to meet her. Oh my god, who this could have

432
00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:44,520
Speaker 1: been in the Victorian era, because no one knows how

433
00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:48,320
Speaker 1: old he is. Yeah, he's very mysterious figure what he knows,

434
00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:50,360
Speaker 1: where he's from. It turns out the birthday I turned

435
00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:53,880
Speaker 1: up for him is strictly speculative. He won't tell anyone else.

436
00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:59,160
Speaker 1: The one I found on Wikipedia apparently is like not confirmed.

437
00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:02,399
Speaker 1: It's this speculated. If I had to in this movie

438
00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:04,440
Speaker 1: looking at him, if I had to guess, I would

439
00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:09,240
Speaker 1: say he's fifty two. But he looks this exactly the same. Now, Yeah,

440
00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:12,400
Speaker 1: an alien. I do think he's name. I think honestly,

441
00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:16,000
Speaker 1: he might just be like a bunch of sentience, like

442
00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:20,119
Speaker 1: sewn together chicken cutlets. Yeah, it just snakes stuff into

443
00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:25,719
Speaker 1: people's We're doing an episode I think pretty soon of

444
00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:28,880
Speaker 1: Men in Black. I think he's like like a little

445
00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:33,080
Speaker 1: alien creature. He's like operating a giant what they think

446
00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:35,320
Speaker 1: is a human god. That would be so if he

447
00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:37,280
Speaker 1: showed up in a Men in Black like sequel, that

448
00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:42,240
Speaker 1: would be so funny. Will Smith get on that? Yeah, Basically,

449
00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:46,679
Speaker 1: Tommy does not see women as good people, nice people,

450
00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:50,320
Speaker 1: maybe not even people. He definitely sees himself as very perfect.

451
00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:54,280
Speaker 1: Like it's like I'm a provider and he's the victim

452
00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:57,880
Speaker 1: of this scheme and he's like he has all these things,

453
00:25:57,920 --> 00:26:01,919
Speaker 1: just like I'm an incredible lover. Like he's like, I

454
00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:04,200
Speaker 1: love I love you Danny. I want to adopt Danny.

455
00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:07,000
Speaker 1: You know. He's always trying to give these weird speeches

456
00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:09,400
Speaker 1: about how like how if everybody just loved each other

457
00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:12,719
Speaker 1: the world would be a better place that. And then

458
00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:15,879
Speaker 1: there's a scene between um Lisa and her mom where

459
00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:19,560
Speaker 1: for the first few beats of that, Lisa's like, oh,

460
00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:22,080
Speaker 1: Johnny hit me, and I don't love him anymore and

461
00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:25,280
Speaker 1: he's boring and I hate him. And then Danny shows

462
00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:27,919
Speaker 1: up and her mom's like, what's this kid's deal? And

463
00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:31,040
Speaker 1: then Lisa like does a complete one eighteen and she's like,

464
00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:34,680
Speaker 1: Johnny is so generous and he's paying for his college

465
00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:38,280
Speaker 1: tuition and he's a really caring person. Why why Like

466
00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:41,520
Speaker 1: there's no consistency, of course there's not in this movie.

467
00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:44,320
Speaker 1: But Tommy is always like my character is the best

468
00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:50,840
Speaker 1: because I I'm the best gay. There's a bunch of

469
00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:54,320
Speaker 1: lines that I wrote down, Like when Lisa's doing her

470
00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:58,240
Speaker 1: weird whatever it is she's doing, there's like several times

471
00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:01,440
Speaker 1: where she makes these broad statements of all women. Meanwhile,

472
00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:04,360
Speaker 1: every time Marcus ownscreeny is like, I don't understand when

473
00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:08,760
Speaker 1: they're so confusing and women are dress I'm so busy.

474
00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:11,159
Speaker 1: What does he say? He's like, they're either psychos out there.

475
00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:15,520
Speaker 1: I wrote it. I just can't figure women out. Sometimes

476
00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:19,000
Speaker 1: they're too smart, sometimes they're just flat out stupid. Other

477
00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:22,480
Speaker 1: times they're dressed evil, which is just like, oh, this

478
00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:25,320
Speaker 1: is just a thesis statement of how Tommy was so

479
00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:30,000
Speaker 1: understands women. And then later on Lisa when she's having

480
00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:34,080
Speaker 1: her crazy moments, you know, Tommy comes in when Michelle

481
00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:37,480
Speaker 1: is you know, they're drinking wine and their wax fruit

482
00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:40,440
Speaker 1: is on the table and they have like an above

483
00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:43,440
Speaker 1: they have a shot from like teetering above them like

484
00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:47,280
Speaker 1: this in the fucking war room, and Michelle's like, poison

485
00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:51,160
Speaker 1: this weird thing, and Tommy comes into what secrets are

486
00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:54,600
Speaker 1: you thinking about? And then Lisa's like, it's between us

487
00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:59,400
Speaker 1: women like these like it's girl secrets. Yeah, it's girl talk.

488
00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:01,879
Speaker 1: I just told you that. And then what do you

489
00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:06,159
Speaker 1: think women change their minds all the time? It's just

490
00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:11,520
Speaker 1: like and then then I guess I also wrote down

491
00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:14,760
Speaker 1: how people view women or how like whenever someone's like,

492
00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:20,919
Speaker 1: this is how women are, right, it happens eight thousand times.

493
00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:23,439
Speaker 1: One of the first times it happens is where Lisa

494
00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:26,800
Speaker 1: is talking about her mom, I think to Mark and

495
00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:29,080
Speaker 1: she's like, she's a stupid bitch and she wants to

496
00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:32,840
Speaker 1: control my life. And then Johnny and Peter, and then

497
00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:35,560
Speaker 1: later Mark comes into the scene. But Johnny is like,

498
00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:40,280
Speaker 1: I don't understand women, do you, Peter? And then Peter says,

499
00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:46,400
Speaker 1: what man does in my professional opinion and my professional

500
00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:52,320
Speaker 1: opinion as a trained psychologist, what man? And then Johnny says,

501
00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:55,480
Speaker 1: they never say what they mean and they always play games.

502
00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:59,640
Speaker 1: And then Mark shows up. And then Mark and he

503
00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:03,920
Speaker 1: was like, women are confused. Women confused me? And then

504
00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:05,840
Speaker 1: he sort of mentions that he has a woman, and

505
00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:08,320
Speaker 1: Johnny wants to meet her, and then Mark's like, no,

506
00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:11,760
Speaker 1: it's an awkward situation. Johnny says, do you mean she's

507
00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:14,040
Speaker 1: too old? Or you think I would take her away

508
00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:19,720
Speaker 1: from you? The only two options that a woman, A

509
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:24,360
Speaker 1: living gargoyle was like, is she do all? That's a

510
00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:27,440
Speaker 1: perfect Like, yeah, that that's all women can be to me.

511
00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:29,800
Speaker 1: They're too old or I have to have the chance

512
00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:33,640
Speaker 1: to steal them. But I love that. Okay. So it

513
00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:38,520
Speaker 1: is repeatedly vaguely referenced that Johnny works at a bank, right,

514
00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:42,280
Speaker 1: and I think he works as a gargoyle on this

515
00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:47,840
Speaker 1: side of Oh my God, he's totally a gargoyle and

516
00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:52,520
Speaker 1: he just crawls out of the third story when because

517
00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:54,240
Speaker 1: he says, there's a part where they're like, oh, did

518
00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:56,440
Speaker 1: you get the promotion? He's like, no, but they've already

519
00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:59,760
Speaker 1: put my ideas into practice. So it probably means like, yeah,

520
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:02,080
Speaker 1: I came up with ideas to get the pigeons away

521
00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:10,400
Speaker 1: from from the bank from crawling after. How would you

522
00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:15,000
Speaker 1: promote a guard I don't know, but a garboil in

523
00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:19,840
Speaker 1: a tie, now that's fuckable. That's amazing, especially if the

524
00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:23,280
Speaker 1: tie ends up on the hell ladies head. You have

525
00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:27,120
Speaker 1: great legs, you have great pigs. I love that scene

526
00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:29,640
Speaker 1: where they're where all the guys are talking about women

527
00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:32,120
Speaker 1: is one of my favorites because they are like, how

528
00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:35,960
Speaker 1: did you meet Lisa meet? And it's the story is like, well,

529
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:37,880
Speaker 1: I moved to San Francisco, I had no money, and

530
00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:40,560
Speaker 1: I had a two thousand dollars check and I couldn't

531
00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:44,600
Speaker 1: cash it. And anyway, I saw Lisa sitting she was

532
00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:47,440
Speaker 1: having a coffee. She's so beautiful, and that's how we met.

533
00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:49,400
Speaker 1: And they're like, what, but what was weird about? And

534
00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:52,160
Speaker 1: she's like, oh, on the first date she paid yea,

535
00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:58,160
Speaker 1: so good for Lisa. Yeah, autonomy, she I know, but

536
00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:01,720
Speaker 1: also he could be her, Like, okay, if I didn't

537
00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:03,680
Speaker 1: deal like she was that young in it, right, if

538
00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:05,720
Speaker 1: she's twenty two, I don't. We don't know how old

539
00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:09,880
Speaker 1: Lisa's supposed to be, but the actress is twenty two.

540
00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:12,440
Speaker 1: And at the end, at some point in the middle

541
00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:15,120
Speaker 1: of the movie they do say five years, but then

542
00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:18,040
Speaker 1: by the end they're saying seven years. It feels like

543
00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:20,680
Speaker 1: the movie last for two years. So I guess, yeah,

544
00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:24,440
Speaker 1: we don't know the timeline for sure, but with that logic,

545
00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:27,960
Speaker 1: Tommy Wise, who is at least a hundred years old,

546
00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:30,800
Speaker 1: has been dating her since she was fifteen years old

547
00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:34,480
Speaker 1: when he first spotted her in that coffee shop. It's

548
00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:37,520
Speaker 1: the whole Edward Cullen bella swan thing all over again,

549
00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:43,400
Speaker 1: but worse. But that's with a cadaver and he's not

550
00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:48,840
Speaker 1: even hot. It's okay anytime somewhere like a guy with

551
00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:51,920
Speaker 1: long hair dyes that hair jet black. It is the

552
00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:57,960
Speaker 1: most off putting thing I can possibly think of. It's wait,

553
00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:01,200
Speaker 1: here are a few more mentions of how women are

554
00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:06,960
Speaker 1: women be confusing. There's a scene where Mark and Johnny

555
00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:10,720
Speaker 1: are in a what I can only assume is a

556
00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:17,400
Speaker 1: cheesecake shop. Everyone's and Mark talk about Lisa's pizza order.

557
00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:21,800
Speaker 1: So yeah, Mark goes, I'm so tired of girls. Games,

558
00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:25,800
Speaker 1: relationships never work. It's interesting because I do want to know.

559
00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:27,280
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously there's a lot I want to know

560
00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:29,200
Speaker 1: about Tommy Rozo, but I would love to know his

561
00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:33,320
Speaker 1: history with women, because he obviously is very off putting,

562
00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:36,360
Speaker 1: is a human being, and I think pursues women, probably

563
00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:38,880
Speaker 1: very intensely, and they're like fuck no into him. He's like, oh,

564
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:41,960
Speaker 1: she's playing a game. It's like no, you're fucking terrified.

565
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:44,840
Speaker 1: She genuinely it does not want to be around you.

566
00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:50,160
Speaker 1: And he's like, oh, the process in he's like doing

567
00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:53,520
Speaker 1: a dozen red roses or whatever. He's probably dropped off

568
00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:56,800
Speaker 1: so many roses to so many women. He's spending eighteen

569
00:32:56,840 --> 00:32:59,160
Speaker 1: dollars all over the place. Do you think I feel

570
00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:02,400
Speaker 1: like he took that weird? Okay, here's our here's our

571
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:05,040
Speaker 1: Fantom of the Opera Tuno thousand four Joel Schumacher efforts

572
00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:07,760
Speaker 1: of the episode. They have a weird Phantom of the

573
00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:12,959
Speaker 1: Opera candelabra in the bedrooms, very Phantom of the Opera, like, yeah,

574
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:16,400
Speaker 1: and it's always lit, like when even when their ship

575
00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:19,959
Speaker 1: drunk on whiskey vodka, the Phantom of the Opera candelabra,

576
00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:25,440
Speaker 1: all forty five candles are lit. And they also have

577
00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:29,920
Speaker 1: that like rain window machine. Yeah, it's very like Pier

578
00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:35,120
Speaker 1: One set lots of candles and like weird waterfalls and

579
00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:38,680
Speaker 1: the canopy bed The budget for this movie was six

580
00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:43,920
Speaker 1: million dollars. What six million dollars? Which and that's one

581
00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:46,120
Speaker 1: of the other big mysteries, as no one knows that

582
00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:48,640
Speaker 1: he has gotten Tommy Wiou said that he might have

583
00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:53,320
Speaker 1: raised it through a leather jacket business. But that's as

584
00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:55,920
Speaker 1: close as anyone's gotten to finding out. I wonder he

585
00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:58,720
Speaker 1: must have just been like independently wealthy. Also, he could

586
00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:01,560
Speaker 1: have been working a minimum wage job for three hundred years.

587
00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:04,520
Speaker 1: We don't know. That's probably we've just been saving his

588
00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:08,160
Speaker 1: pennies for this master pook. Yeah, all this money. I

589
00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:10,520
Speaker 1: would like to say that if I had been given

590
00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:13,279
Speaker 1: this draft of the script, I would have written great

591
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:15,279
Speaker 1: coverage on it. I could have found ways to make

592
00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:18,279
Speaker 1: it into something that resembles a movie. Could you have

593
00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:22,400
Speaker 1: punched up the line me underwears you know what? I

594
00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:24,960
Speaker 1: would have left that exactly as is. I love that too.

595
00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:26,719
Speaker 1: This is one of the only movies I've seen where

596
00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:29,440
Speaker 1: you see an entire scene play out and then someone

597
00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:31,960
Speaker 1: describes the entire scene later. I don't think I have

598
00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:34,719
Speaker 1: ever seen that happen in a movie, right, because it's

599
00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:37,919
Speaker 1: not supposed to know you know what? Repeaid information eight

600
00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:42,040
Speaker 1: thousand times the underwears that guy? What is that guy's deal?

601
00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:44,960
Speaker 1: He was plugged out of a UCB three oh one

602
00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:48,080
Speaker 1: class and frosted tips from two thousand three, which, like

603
00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:50,560
Speaker 1: I feel like was over by then. But I think so.

604
00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:54,279
Speaker 1: It guys well, at least where I where I was living,

605
00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:57,719
Speaker 1: frost tips were thriving into the late I guess they

606
00:34:57,760 --> 00:35:01,279
Speaker 1: were still. It just feels, well, what using about him

607
00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:03,480
Speaker 1: and his character and how we meet him is that

608
00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:08,279
Speaker 1: he and Michelle come into the room and it's room

609
00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:10,480
Speaker 1: that we're talking about, the room or is it the

610
00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:13,200
Speaker 1: upstairs room? Bad things that's in the room. I think

611
00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:18,160
Speaker 1: it's I think it's the main downstairs, Yeah, the downstairs pictures. Honestly,

612
00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:21,080
Speaker 1: the movie should have been called The Apartment, which leads

613
00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:28,560
Speaker 1: me to, well, Mike and Michelle come into that apartment

614
00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:30,920
Speaker 1: to have sex. But it's like, do they have some

615
00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:37,319
Speaker 1: sort of arrangement where they the room out sitting Well,

616
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:40,120
Speaker 1: that's another thing. It's like when Lisa comes in from

617
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:44,200
Speaker 1: a more lit area, we don't know exactly where she

618
00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:47,719
Speaker 1: reacts to them fucking on her couch the same way

619
00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:50,200
Speaker 1: as she reacts to finding out her mother has cancer,

620
00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:53,279
Speaker 1: which is don't worry about it. Yeah, people say, don't

621
00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:56,000
Speaker 1: worry about it so much. He never I realized he

622
00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:59,160
Speaker 1: never answers a question in the movie, Like even when

623
00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:01,480
Speaker 1: one time when Denny says, what movie are we going

624
00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:03,640
Speaker 1: to see? He goes, don't worry about it. He couldn't

625
00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:08,120
Speaker 1: even bother to write the movie title, Like things don't

626
00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:11,919
Speaker 1: always work out as plant, Like what do you don't

627
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:14,440
Speaker 1: want to date this movie in time at all? And

628
00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:17,880
Speaker 1: like but people have frosty tips and flesh colored sweaters.

629
00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:20,680
Speaker 1: We know when this is taking place. I do think

630
00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:22,960
Speaker 1: like talking about red and coverage and like helping it

631
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:25,799
Speaker 1: become a better movie. It is because it's obviously very

632
00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:28,920
Speaker 1: like lifetime movie esque and you know all those kind

633
00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:30,840
Speaker 1: of like older Lifetime movies where the woman was like

634
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:33,480
Speaker 1: this manipulative you know, woman who's kind of like taking

635
00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:35,759
Speaker 1: over and like it like has that essence that it

636
00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:39,320
Speaker 1: could have been that if somebody had taken the reins

637
00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:42,520
Speaker 1: and fixed it right, Because so what do we know

638
00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:46,200
Speaker 1: about because I didn't do any research about the development

639
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:48,759
Speaker 1: or production or anything on this movie. Was Tommy? Was

640
00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:54,600
Speaker 1: he like an authoritarian sort of? Yes, he was authoritarian

641
00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:58,040
Speaker 1: and he also couldn't do anything like so The Disaster Artist,

642
00:36:58,080 --> 00:37:00,239
Speaker 1: which is coming out as a movie, is a bookten

643
00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:03,319
Speaker 1: by Greg Cistero, who plays Mark, but also if you

644
00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:06,400
Speaker 1: look in the credits, is the line producer and assistant

645
00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:09,080
Speaker 1: to Tommy. Was right, like he had to wake Tommy

646
00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:12,239
Speaker 1: was up every day. Yeah, so he like, I didn't

647
00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:15,120
Speaker 1: manage the butt. He basically became friends with Greg Cicero

648
00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:16,719
Speaker 1: and was like, I want to make this movie blah

649
00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:20,279
Speaker 1: blah blah, and yeah we just totally like I think,

650
00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:22,799
Speaker 1: you know, had his hands in every single part. Would

651
00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:25,120
Speaker 1: never you know, had to have it his way, but

652
00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:27,360
Speaker 1: also a terrible actor who made everything go like that

653
00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:29,040
Speaker 1: scene where he comes out on the roof and it's like,

654
00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:31,440
Speaker 1: I did not hit her. I did not. They apparently

655
00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:34,520
Speaker 1: had they had to do like dozens and dozens of

656
00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:36,880
Speaker 1: times because he could not do the line, but it

657
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:39,240
Speaker 1: still seems to be eighty and then it's still dubbed

658
00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:42,719
Speaker 1: over she like when the line could have just been

659
00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:50,480
Speaker 1: like I didn't hit her, like assistance and over complicating

660
00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:54,080
Speaker 1: all the dialogue is hilarious. And then I love how

661
00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:56,680
Speaker 1: like eight percent of the dialogue in this movie is

662
00:37:56,760 --> 00:38:00,839
Speaker 1: just like unnecessary throat clearing, high are you? I'm good?

663
00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:02,560
Speaker 1: How are you? And then the rest of it is

664
00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:07,400
Speaker 1: like insanely on the nose kind of funny what or

665
00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:10,960
Speaker 1: definitely he had he's my best friend. Oh you're my

666
00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:14,400
Speaker 1: future wife? Right, I have cancer, don't worry about it

667
00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:18,080
Speaker 1: that I got the results of the test back. Definitely.

668
00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:23,839
Speaker 1: I love Claudette. Claudet is great. She lists that up

669
00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:28,279
Speaker 1: like any of her fours. I got the test back.

670
00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:31,560
Speaker 1: I I definitely have breast cancer. I'm so glad I

671
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:34,520
Speaker 1: divorced that other guy. And then later on the movie

672
00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:37,680
Speaker 1: she's like, I'm tired. I'm blah blah blah. I was like, yeah,

673
00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:42,879
Speaker 1: because you have cancer, but it's never been a tough time. Well,

674
00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:46,319
Speaker 1: I feel like Tommy was like, we gotta throw more

675
00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:49,600
Speaker 1: drama into this. Make the mom have breast cancer, make

676
00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:55,600
Speaker 1: Denny be involved in some drug scheme, like yeahs off

677
00:38:55,640 --> 00:38:59,160
Speaker 1: but yeah, but he's like, I know there should be drama,

678
00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:02,600
Speaker 1: So I'm just gonna like he just like threw the

679
00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:05,360
Speaker 1: plots of every just like scrambled around a bunch of

680
00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:10,280
Speaker 1: words and we're like, okay, drugs, cancer, cheating, Diana Beanie

681
00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:15,960
Speaker 1: psychologist And even that shot where it seems like Mark

682
00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:21,440
Speaker 1: might throw Peter off off and it makes eye contact

683
00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:24,600
Speaker 1: with the camera and then it's like, oh no, he's fine,

684
00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:31,560
Speaker 1: and then Mark sorry that into a fight with a

685
00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:40,000
Speaker 1: friend and almost throwing them off. Don't worry about it anyways.

686
00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:43,200
Speaker 1: I will say, Okay, for some more background, I was

687
00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:47,920
Speaker 1: doing research and the actress who plays Lisa, and she

688
00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:53,680
Speaker 1: has done her darnedist to try, yeah, but at least

689
00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:57,200
Speaker 1: to hopefully like because a lot of like the early

690
00:39:57,280 --> 00:39:59,720
Speaker 1: stuff for this movie, from what from what I was reading,

691
00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:03,239
Speaker 1: was like, I mean, people were making fun of her obviously,

692
00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:04,959
Speaker 1: but they were also like making fun of her body

693
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:07,240
Speaker 1: and all this stuff, and she was like, I hope

694
00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:10,360
Speaker 1: that I can turn this into a thing about body.

695
00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:13,880
Speaker 1: Did she try to do that? She did. I wouldn't

696
00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:17,000
Speaker 1: say she was necessarily successful, but I would like to

697
00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:20,080
Speaker 1: cite the fact that she did attempt to say, hey,

698
00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:23,600
Speaker 1: my body is not the worst part of this movie

699
00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:27,879
Speaker 1: by a long shot, because I guess like the very

700
00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:31,879
Speaker 1: early early early people to this movie were like, especially

701
00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:33,880
Speaker 1: I think the screen yeah there it was like some

702
00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:38,239
Speaker 1: mean stuff at the screen people yellow. Yeah. I can

703
00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:39,879
Speaker 1: see it both ways, where it's like there being no

704
00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:42,000
Speaker 1: meaner to her than they would be to Tommy wise. Oh,

705
00:40:42,040 --> 00:40:45,520
Speaker 1: but also like she's she's just on screen. It's not

706
00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:48,160
Speaker 1: like she's not sucking up, she's just being there, and

707
00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:54,440
Speaker 1: she's basically a kid being humped by this fucking stone

708
00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:59,120
Speaker 1: ghool I would love to see her like in something else,

709
00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:02,399
Speaker 1: because when I watch it again, like her acting isn't great,

710
00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:05,279
Speaker 1: but she's given such bad stuff that sometimes her acting

711
00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:07,680
Speaker 1: is okay in the movie, it's just like the material

712
00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:09,200
Speaker 1: is so bad that I would like to see her

713
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:15,479
Speaker 1: in something she moved back a long time ago. I'm sure, yeah,

714
00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:17,719
Speaker 1: this this wrecked her. I did see so like the

715
00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:19,040
Speaker 1: last time I looked her up, which was a few

716
00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:20,880
Speaker 1: years ago, so probably happening where she was trying to

717
00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:25,680
Speaker 1: sell paintings of spoons and footballs and stuff she was

718
00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:30,560
Speaker 1: making of the room related. I guess, I mean, I

719
00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:35,200
Speaker 1: guess if like Greg is it Cistero. If Greg Cistero

720
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:38,040
Speaker 1: can sell a book to James Franco, sure sell a

721
00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:43,520
Speaker 1: painting of a spoon, why not Jesus Chris Well. One

722
00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:45,920
Speaker 1: of my favorite parts of the movie is when it's

723
00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:49,040
Speaker 1: either the first or second time that Johnny and Mark

724
00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:53,040
Speaker 1: get into a fist fight at the same party, but

725
00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:56,080
Speaker 1: something gets knocked over or broken or glass gets broken

726
00:41:56,160 --> 00:41:58,160
Speaker 1: or something like that, and then they sort of calmed

727
00:41:58,160 --> 00:42:01,560
Speaker 1: down and then Johnny goes to Lisa. Lisa clean that up,

728
00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:07,880
Speaker 1: because like, that's that is in the story. Women be cleaning,

729
00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:11,880
Speaker 1: women be scheming, and that's all women are going for.

730
00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:14,400
Speaker 1: And then we already kind of touched on this, but

731
00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:17,520
Speaker 1: like eight different characters throughout the course of the movie,

732
00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:20,160
Speaker 1: some of them more than once would be like, Lisa,

733
00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:22,920
Speaker 1: you're so beautiful, she's looking so hot tonight. You look

734
00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:26,200
Speaker 1: great in a red dress, which is like, okay, fine,

735
00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:33,040
Speaker 1: but red means she's bad. Sorry. Um, it's fine to

736
00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:36,879
Speaker 1: tell a woman she's beautiful, I suppose, but if that's

737
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:40,680
Speaker 1: the only thing about her that they're ever commenting on,

738
00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:43,680
Speaker 1: to be fair, she provides something, nothing else other than

739
00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:47,120
Speaker 1: she might be seeking a job in the computer business.

740
00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:50,560
Speaker 1: But you're right, because Tommy is like, oh, he's provides,

741
00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:52,600
Speaker 1: he's got he's listening this to this, and she's got

742
00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:55,840
Speaker 1: nothing besides right, okay. So it's established early on, and

743
00:42:55,880 --> 00:43:00,080
Speaker 1: then it keeps being repeated, especially by Claudette. The it

744
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:04,279
Speaker 1: Lisa can't provide for herself. We don't know why or

745
00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:09,440
Speaker 1: why Cloud believes this is true, so vehemently run it's

746
00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:12,320
Speaker 1: getting divorced. Like what are you doing, Claude up, Yeah,

747
00:43:12,520 --> 00:43:18,040
Speaker 1: besides purchasing cream colored pants. But like, sure, maybe Lisa's

748
00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:21,680
Speaker 1: struggling to find work in the computer business, but also

749
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:27,759
Speaker 1: like she seems perfectly capable to find work elsewhere, you know,

750
00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:34,680
Speaker 1: some other flower shops, at the shops. Tommy's got friends everywhere.

751
00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:41,640
Speaker 1: Johnny's like trying at the flower shop, but instead she

752
00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:45,200
Speaker 1: stays in the room all day, And it's like, why

753
00:43:45,239 --> 00:43:49,840
Speaker 1: would you? Like I was like, are you just sweeping?

754
00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:54,560
Speaker 1: Your friends come around, like what are you sweeping? Clearly filthy,

755
00:43:54,840 --> 00:43:59,880
Speaker 1: like it's a filthy place. She also can't unload grocery

756
00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:02,520
Speaker 1: and talk at the same time. She has to pull

757
00:44:02,680 --> 00:44:05,400
Speaker 1: something out of a bag and I'm looking out for

758
00:44:05,600 --> 00:44:10,400
Speaker 1: number one pulls out of another bag of chips, wouldn't you?

759
00:44:12,239 --> 00:44:15,960
Speaker 1: But it's so it's just unclear why the choice was made,

760
00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:19,640
Speaker 1: as with any choice in this movie, why she is

761
00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:23,960
Speaker 1: incapable of providing for herself or holding down a job

762
00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:26,279
Speaker 1: or anything like that. But it's like the whole thing

763
00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:28,359
Speaker 1: is like she has to stay with Johnny because he

764
00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:31,640
Speaker 1: provides for her at his gargoyle job at the bank.

765
00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:35,080
Speaker 1: So she's just been with him for so long since

766
00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:39,320
Speaker 1: she was fifteen, that she's just used to him providing

767
00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:42,279
Speaker 1: her with all the necessary carbs and plastic apple she

768
00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:45,320
Speaker 1: needs to survive, and she just I guess does the

769
00:44:46,239 --> 00:44:49,360
Speaker 1: vodka there's bottles of whiskey, there's I think she found

770
00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:54,640
Speaker 1: the bottle of vodka outside it was Denny's. There's a

771
00:44:54,680 --> 00:44:57,800
Speaker 1: good fan theory where Denny is Lisa's dad, and that's

772
00:44:57,840 --> 00:45:02,680
Speaker 1: why saying I went back and every scene between Denny

773
00:45:02,719 --> 00:45:06,439
Speaker 1: and Lisa's mom, for some reason, is very contentious and

774
00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:10,200
Speaker 1: like she she's like, who's that? And then he's like,

775
00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:13,040
Speaker 1: you're not my mom and she's like, my fucking mom, right,

776
00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:17,360
Speaker 1: You're not my fucking mom. It's like because she's his whoa.

777
00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:20,319
Speaker 1: Also she's like, don't you have a kitchen in your

778
00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:22,799
Speaker 1: own house? Because he comes into borrow half a cup

779
00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:28,600
Speaker 1: of sugar and butter, do you obviously turn into some

780
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:32,040
Speaker 1: sinister sex instrument? I really like I like that scene

781
00:45:32,040 --> 00:45:34,560
Speaker 1: a lot because like Denny comes in this right after

782
00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:36,680
Speaker 1: they find Mike and Michelle making out, and then Denny

783
00:45:36,719 --> 00:45:40,000
Speaker 1: comes in and Clauda is like, this is worse than

784
00:45:40,040 --> 00:45:43,279
Speaker 1: Grand Central Station, and you know that Tommy thought that

785
00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:46,960
Speaker 1: was the funniest line he had ever written. He was like,

786
00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:50,160
Speaker 1: now this is and it was just like if you

787
00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:52,320
Speaker 1: were I were a burglar, you'd be my best friend.

788
00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:56,120
Speaker 1: Like I feel like I'd never even occurred to me

789
00:45:56,160 --> 00:45:58,279
Speaker 1: that those were supposed to be funny. I think I

790
00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:01,279
Speaker 1: think it's supposed to be funny. And then but then

791
00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:04,120
Speaker 1: the response to like, what is this Grand Central's Asia,

792
00:46:04,200 --> 00:46:08,439
Speaker 1: Like Danny's sort of like, oh, because I'll come back

793
00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:12,320
Speaker 1: for this man. I would pay so much money to

794
00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:15,680
Speaker 1: see between them. I love. That was the only one

795
00:46:15,719 --> 00:46:18,000
Speaker 1: that jumped out of me, as like, we don't know

796
00:46:18,040 --> 00:46:21,120
Speaker 1: how all Denny is. We just don't know it. He's

797
00:46:21,160 --> 00:46:23,359
Speaker 1: like the he's like the opposite of Tommy on the

798
00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:26,279
Speaker 1: on the Benjamin Button scale. They're both kind of just

799
00:46:26,440 --> 00:46:30,319
Speaker 1: like exactly crossing each other with the body. And then

800
00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:33,520
Speaker 1: Danny's first scene, he's just like, but I wouldn't want

801
00:46:33,560 --> 00:46:39,560
Speaker 1: you guys fun And then they're like, oh Denny, Denny,

802
00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:42,320
Speaker 1: Johnny goes to was great, but three is a crowd,

803
00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:46,840
Speaker 1: you know that famous saying it goes exactly like that.

804
00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:49,799
Speaker 1: That's how I get out, So you want me to leave?

805
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:55,240
Speaker 1: And he was like, ha, ha, that's the idea, the idea. Oh.

806
00:46:55,320 --> 00:46:58,520
Speaker 1: My favorite line in the entire movie is when Michelle

807
00:46:58,520 --> 00:47:01,520
Speaker 1: comes in and Lisa and Mark were about to have

808
00:47:01,600 --> 00:47:05,560
Speaker 1: sex and his like pants are undone and she goes hey,

809
00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:07,839
Speaker 1: X Y Z and he's like, what are you talking about?

810
00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:12,920
Speaker 1: And she's like, examine your zipper. That is, which totally

811
00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:15,399
Speaker 1: goes against what you would say earlier, which was like,

812
00:47:15,719 --> 00:47:20,160
Speaker 1: don't cheat on Johnny. But then she's like, well, I mean,

813
00:47:20,200 --> 00:47:21,560
Speaker 1: if they're already going to do it, she's got to

814
00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:25,040
Speaker 1: help her friends. I think she was saying examine your zipper,

815
00:47:25,080 --> 00:47:27,640
Speaker 1: like about their whole thing. She was like, the zipper

816
00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:32,440
Speaker 1: is your life, and your zipper zipper of your soul.

817
00:47:33,239 --> 00:47:37,640
Speaker 1: You know. I love Michelle. She were so much pleather.

818
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:41,560
Speaker 1: I love her. I love her. My other favorite scene

819
00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:45,439
Speaker 1: is when they're at the cheesecake factory and Johnny's like, oh, yeah,

820
00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:47,319
Speaker 1: we got this new client to the bank. I can't

821
00:47:47,360 --> 00:47:50,560
Speaker 1: talk about it as confidential anyway, how's your sex life?

822
00:47:51,080 --> 00:47:55,280
Speaker 1: Just like the most insane. I would love to copy

823
00:47:55,360 --> 00:47:56,799
Speaker 1: a bunch of those lines and just go on a

824
00:47:56,920 --> 00:48:06,439
Speaker 1: date and like completely used all of those just free.

825
00:48:06,520 --> 00:48:08,640
Speaker 1: I think I will. My favorite line is in that

826
00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:13,280
Speaker 1: same scene between Michelle and Lisa, where Lisa's just saying

827
00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:16,800
Speaker 1: like I love cheating on Johnny blah blah blah, Mark's hot,

828
00:48:16,840 --> 00:48:19,120
Speaker 1: and then Michelle says, your point of view is so

829
00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:23,719
Speaker 1: different from mine. And then these two scenes back to

830
00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:26,520
Speaker 1: back are amazing because it's like the scene of what

831
00:48:26,680 --> 00:48:29,920
Speaker 1: Tommy was that thinks female friendship is like, which is

832
00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:33,880
Speaker 1: a woman being like, I'm terrible, aren't we all ands?

833
00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:39,640
Speaker 1: Like secret? And then cut to Tommy was this version

834
00:48:39,680 --> 00:48:42,000
Speaker 1: of what he thinks male friendship is like, which is

835
00:48:42,160 --> 00:48:48,600
Speaker 1: jogging around talking about stocks with Mark. That's the thing

836
00:48:48,600 --> 00:48:52,319
Speaker 1: about this movie, like, women are not portrayed well by

837
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:57,440
Speaker 1: any stretch. However, neither are the male except one portrayed

838
00:48:57,600 --> 00:49:00,200
Speaker 1: except for Johnny's character, who was like put in this

839
00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:03,280
Speaker 1: pedestal and it's like, I'm just the victim, I'm the provider,

840
00:49:03,320 --> 00:49:05,920
Speaker 1: I'm a great guy, and I'm all I'm caring for everyone,

841
00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:10,640
Speaker 1: but everyone portrayed me apart from that, which is like, man,

842
00:49:10,760 --> 00:49:16,800
Speaker 1: I gotta love that self indulgent bullshit from a male writer, director, producer, actor,

843
00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:19,720
Speaker 1: But I mean, he clearly has no understanding of character

844
00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:24,239
Speaker 1: development or storytelling in general. So it's hard to be like, well,

845
00:49:24,280 --> 00:49:27,160
Speaker 1: the women aren't portrayed well, because well, neither are the men.

846
00:49:27,680 --> 00:49:31,320
Speaker 1: But he doesn't seem to have an extremely limited understanding

847
00:49:31,320 --> 00:49:35,399
Speaker 1: of how women think and interact. And relate to each

848
00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:39,239
Speaker 1: other and to other people. Right, exactly. Again, he is

849
00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:44,080
Speaker 1: an alien and he does not understand human interaction in general.

850
00:49:44,440 --> 00:49:48,000
Speaker 1: He said, so many millennia to observe humans, it's amazing

851
00:49:48,040 --> 00:49:53,040
Speaker 1: he doesn't understand them better. True, he's perched up there

852
00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:56,160
Speaker 1: seeing him in person or anything. No, does he live

853
00:49:56,160 --> 00:49:58,600
Speaker 1: in l A. I think so. I mean he's I

854
00:49:58,640 --> 00:50:00,480
Speaker 1: don't think they do the midnight screens anymore. But he

855
00:50:00,560 --> 00:50:02,560
Speaker 1: used to be there every week and he wears like

856
00:50:02,680 --> 00:50:06,200
Speaker 1: five belts at once. It's very weird. He wears like

857
00:50:06,320 --> 00:50:09,200
Speaker 1: five different studded belts, all kind of like criss crossing

858
00:50:09,239 --> 00:50:12,040
Speaker 1: over his body. I've heard, I've seen like pictures of him.

859
00:50:12,120 --> 00:50:15,320
Speaker 1: I I almost saw him once many years ago in Boston,

860
00:50:15,400 --> 00:50:19,399
Speaker 1: but then I didn't. But like he has toured with it, right, Yeah,

861
00:50:19,400 --> 00:50:21,359
Speaker 1: he's gone aroun with it. I just once I was

862
00:50:21,400 --> 00:50:24,040
Speaker 1: like home once, I was about to settle in and

863
00:50:24,080 --> 00:50:26,640
Speaker 1: like show the guy I was dating Friday Night Lights

864
00:50:26,640 --> 00:50:28,880
Speaker 1: for the first time. We were about to like get in.

865
00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:30,560
Speaker 1: It's like a big commitment. And then I got a

866
00:50:30,600 --> 00:50:33,080
Speaker 1: text from Test who's my coast and ladies lady that's

867
00:50:33,120 --> 00:50:35,000
Speaker 1: like I'm at a party that Tommy was a was

868
00:50:35,040 --> 00:50:37,480
Speaker 1: at and I was like, this is a fucking crossroads.

869
00:50:37,600 --> 00:50:39,719
Speaker 1: Do I go to this party right now? Wait? Did

870
00:50:39,760 --> 00:50:41,960
Speaker 1: you go? Yeah? Okay, of course I had to, and

871
00:50:41,960 --> 00:50:43,479
Speaker 1: it was we were like, we have to go Frida

872
00:50:43,560 --> 00:50:45,960
Speaker 1: Atlantes will be yeah. Yeah, But we just showed up

873
00:50:45,960 --> 00:50:48,400
Speaker 1: to this random party, like did shot to Tommy was

874
00:50:48,440 --> 00:50:51,200
Speaker 1: own two pictures of him and then left. Do you

875
00:50:51,280 --> 00:50:54,879
Speaker 1: have the pictures? Yeah, you guys can put it on

876
00:50:55,800 --> 00:50:58,600
Speaker 1: out of those. It's really funny. Um, I wish I

877
00:50:58,600 --> 00:51:00,359
Speaker 1: had hung out. Now in retrospect, we should hung out

878
00:51:00,360 --> 00:51:01,719
Speaker 1: the party and tried to get drunk with him, but

879
00:51:01,880 --> 00:51:05,200
Speaker 1: I didn't. I was focused on getting back. I mean,

880
00:51:07,360 --> 00:51:10,000
Speaker 1: does anyone have any other thoughts about the portrayal of

881
00:51:10,000 --> 00:51:12,920
Speaker 1: women in the movie? I will say, see it like,

882
00:51:13,040 --> 00:51:15,080
Speaker 1: I feel bad if you haven't seen it, because it's

883
00:51:15,120 --> 00:51:17,480
Speaker 1: it's very obviously like you said, it's like very confused,

884
00:51:17,880 --> 00:51:19,799
Speaker 1: hard to follow us if you have, but you have,

885
00:51:19,960 --> 00:51:22,239
Speaker 1: just see it. Just sucking. Give it to watch, Give

886
00:51:22,280 --> 00:51:24,320
Speaker 1: a watch with your friends. It's a really fun, stupid

887
00:51:24,320 --> 00:51:27,440
Speaker 1: movie to watch. Enjoyed watching this more than I enjoyed really,

888
00:51:28,200 --> 00:51:30,880
Speaker 1: So yeah, it's one of the most fun bad movies

889
00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:35,520
Speaker 1: of all time, I think so, speaking of really bad movies,

890
00:51:35,640 --> 00:51:39,600
Speaker 1: I saw most of the movie called Titanic Too last night,

891
00:51:39,640 --> 00:51:43,680
Speaker 1: which I break it down, is it like a Titanic

892
00:51:43,719 --> 00:51:45,680
Speaker 1: to like to the James Cameron movie or just to

893
00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:50,080
Speaker 1: the event to the event, although there are many different

894
00:51:50,520 --> 00:51:53,479
Speaker 1: visuals and lines of dialogue that are directly lifted from

895
00:51:54,080 --> 00:51:58,840
Speaker 1: James Cameron's Titanic, where the story is like there's a

896
00:51:58,880 --> 00:52:01,200
Speaker 1: group of like coast guard people in scientists who are

897
00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:04,400
Speaker 1: sort of tracking this giant glacier and like ships falling

898
00:52:04,400 --> 00:52:06,400
Speaker 1: off of it, like big chunks of ice are falling

899
00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:11,080
Speaker 1: off of it and creating these tsunami tsunamis, that's the

900
00:52:11,200 --> 00:52:16,560
Speaker 1: technical term. They're creating these tsunamis that are sucking everything

901
00:52:16,600 --> 00:52:21,320
Speaker 1: up in the Atlantic Ocean. Meanwhile, Titanic to a ship

902
00:52:21,480 --> 00:52:25,480
Speaker 1: that was created to sail across the ocean? Who's going

903
00:52:25,560 --> 00:52:28,160
Speaker 1: to get on that? By the way, we're really gonna

904
00:52:28,160 --> 00:52:30,000
Speaker 1: be like, yeah, let me buy a fucking ticket to

905
00:52:30,320 --> 00:52:35,640
Speaker 1: Titanic too. There were a more ominous name for any fuck,

906
00:52:36,160 --> 00:52:42,839
Speaker 1: the Challenger, the Challenge Challenges. So there's this all these

907
00:52:42,840 --> 00:52:46,840
Speaker 1: people on board the Titanic two and the icebergs start

908
00:52:46,920 --> 00:52:49,960
Speaker 1: to fall off into the water, but it's not really

909
00:52:50,040 --> 00:52:53,560
Speaker 1: the The ship hits an iceberg, but that's not really

910
00:52:53,600 --> 00:52:56,440
Speaker 1: the threat. Seems to be more of the tsunamis that

911
00:52:56,520 --> 00:52:59,560
Speaker 1: are happening anyways. Is like a sci fi Channel movie,

912
00:52:59,560 --> 00:53:03,239
Speaker 1: like what it's like, Oh, Shane van Dyke, which I

913
00:53:03,239 --> 00:53:06,480
Speaker 1: think might be Dick Van Dyke's offspring or grandson or

914
00:53:06,520 --> 00:53:09,640
Speaker 1: something like that, directed it. And then it's like a

915
00:53:09,840 --> 00:53:16,680
Speaker 1: very like da most yeah, exactly, like most of the

916
00:53:16,719 --> 00:53:20,399
Speaker 1: ship is like c G. I'ed very poorly, but it's

917
00:53:20,440 --> 00:53:22,920
Speaker 1: a It's incredible. It's my new favorite movie. Check out

918
00:53:22,960 --> 00:53:26,720
Speaker 1: Titanic too, and uh borrow it at your local library today.

919
00:53:26,840 --> 00:53:29,399
Speaker 1: I will say, um, I watched The Room last night

920
00:53:29,480 --> 00:53:32,160
Speaker 1: with a guy, and uh, I didn't want. I didn't

921
00:53:32,160 --> 00:53:34,439
Speaker 1: want to start making out during it because I'm so

922
00:53:34,520 --> 00:53:38,280
Speaker 1: worried about one of the fucking sex scenes starting because

923
00:53:38,320 --> 00:53:40,960
Speaker 1: in the movie all the sex scenes have moaning put

924
00:53:41,000 --> 00:53:46,200
Speaker 1: over them. Yeah, r moaning of Mark going like four

925
00:53:46,280 --> 00:53:51,080
Speaker 1: months later. Yeah, And I was like, I can't afford

926
00:53:51,080 --> 00:53:53,080
Speaker 1: to start making out with this guy and having like

927
00:53:53,120 --> 00:53:55,800
Speaker 1: one of these weird sex scenes start because they happened

928
00:53:55,800 --> 00:53:58,680
Speaker 1: every few minutes when you at least expect it because

929
00:53:58,719 --> 00:54:01,640
Speaker 1: it's always like, oh, finally one ended. We have at

930
00:54:01,719 --> 00:54:04,360
Speaker 1: least twenty minutes, but you never do. I mean that

931
00:54:04,480 --> 00:54:07,480
Speaker 1: the first one is three minutes in and then at

932
00:54:07,560 --> 00:54:10,919
Speaker 1: lasts for like seven minutes. And I tweeted last night

933
00:54:11,040 --> 00:54:13,719
Speaker 1: that I was like, oh, what's the opposite of an awakening?

934
00:54:13,800 --> 00:54:15,600
Speaker 1: Because I just saw the room for the first time

935
00:54:15,640 --> 00:54:19,120
Speaker 1: and now I'm in a sexual coma. So there's a

936
00:54:19,120 --> 00:54:24,960
Speaker 1: great tweet. Follow me on Twitter at Caitlin Darante. Anyway, Oh,

937
00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:26,960
Speaker 1: should we talk about whether or not the movie passes

938
00:54:27,160 --> 00:54:31,839
Speaker 1: the Bechdel test amazingly? Yeah? It does, right? Did they

939
00:54:31,840 --> 00:54:34,280
Speaker 1: talk about that she talks with Claude about like work

940
00:54:34,320 --> 00:54:37,720
Speaker 1: and business, and there's there's I I say, it passes

941
00:54:37,760 --> 00:54:40,880
Speaker 1: surely on the amount of filler dialogue in this movie.

942
00:54:41,120 --> 00:54:44,200
Speaker 1: But it does pass on the first scene with two women. Yeah,

943
00:54:44,600 --> 00:54:48,000
Speaker 1: there are. Honestly, I am very surprised. I was. I

944
00:54:48,080 --> 00:54:51,439
Speaker 1: counted all the scenes where women are interacting, and there

945
00:54:51,440 --> 00:54:55,040
Speaker 1: are like ten or eleven scenes where when you edit

946
00:54:55,160 --> 00:54:58,120
Speaker 1: nothing out of your movie, ye pass the Bechdel test

947
00:54:58,160 --> 00:55:00,120
Speaker 1: if you leave absolutely over the A lot of them

948
00:55:00,120 --> 00:55:03,080
Speaker 1: are duplicate, exactly like Lisa and her mom have the

949
00:55:03,160 --> 00:55:06,160
Speaker 1: same conversation where Lisa's like, I don't love Johnny anymore

950
00:55:06,160 --> 00:55:07,560
Speaker 1: and her mom's like, well, you need to stay with

951
00:55:07,640 --> 00:55:11,560
Speaker 1: him for some financial security. That conversation happens like four times.

952
00:55:11,800 --> 00:55:14,400
Speaker 1: So most of the scenes they are talking about a

953
00:55:14,440 --> 00:55:17,840
Speaker 1: whole flew of men, either Johnny or Mark or Denny

954
00:55:18,120 --> 00:55:22,200
Speaker 1: or one of her mom's sex husband or her brother. Yeah,

955
00:55:22,400 --> 00:55:25,120
Speaker 1: men get talked about a lot, but yeah. The first scene,

956
00:55:25,280 --> 00:55:28,080
Speaker 1: Lisa's mom comes in and Lisa's like, hi, Mom, how

957
00:55:28,120 --> 00:55:33,799
Speaker 1: are you. She's like fine, how are you? Okay, let's

958
00:55:33,800 --> 00:55:40,319
Speaker 1: go sit on the couch less actor and she's like, well, now,

959
00:55:40,320 --> 00:55:42,839
Speaker 1: what's happening with you? Oh? Nothing much? Do you want

960
00:55:42,880 --> 00:55:46,680
Speaker 1: some coffee? What's wrong? I don't feel good today? And

961
00:55:46,680 --> 00:55:49,440
Speaker 1: then they start talking about how she doesn't love Johnny anymore.

962
00:55:49,640 --> 00:55:53,479
Speaker 1: But the first few those exchanges of first few lines

963
00:55:53,480 --> 00:55:56,799
Speaker 1: of dialogue, past the backdo test, and then pretty much

964
00:55:56,840 --> 00:55:58,920
Speaker 1: every scene after that where women are talking, because then

965
00:55:58,960 --> 00:56:01,439
Speaker 1: Lisa talks to her mom a bunch more times, leads

966
00:56:01,440 --> 00:56:04,080
Speaker 1: the talks to Michelle a bunch of times. They almost

967
00:56:04,120 --> 00:56:08,160
Speaker 1: always are talking about some combination of Johnny or Denny

968
00:56:08,360 --> 00:56:12,960
Speaker 1: or Mark, but like very barely passes. Barely. Yeah, but

969
00:56:13,160 --> 00:56:16,080
Speaker 1: it's crazy to think that The Room, the best movie

970
00:56:16,120 --> 00:56:19,640
Speaker 1: ever made, passes the Bechdel test. It really and and

971
00:56:19,840 --> 00:56:23,080
Speaker 1: like multiple times, right, because there's a few other like

972
00:56:23,760 --> 00:56:26,799
Speaker 1: scenes that will there either be talking about a guy

973
00:56:26,920 --> 00:56:29,960
Speaker 1: and then the topic shifts to then they started talking

974
00:56:29,960 --> 00:56:31,719
Speaker 1: about Lisa, and then they have a pillow fight out

975
00:56:31,760 --> 00:56:35,000
Speaker 1: of nowhere, or they start talking about something else and

976
00:56:35,040 --> 00:56:38,560
Speaker 1: then they transition into talking about Johnny or something. But yeah,

977
00:56:38,600 --> 00:56:41,600
Speaker 1: it happens a few different times where they're not talking

978
00:56:41,719 --> 00:56:45,320
Speaker 1: about a man the whole time. And also, to be fair,

979
00:56:45,880 --> 00:56:48,359
Speaker 1: while most of the time, if there are women talking

980
00:56:48,360 --> 00:56:49,759
Speaker 1: to each other, they are talking about one of the

981
00:56:49,760 --> 00:56:52,480
Speaker 1: male characters, but the reverse of that is when the

982
00:56:52,520 --> 00:56:55,480
Speaker 1: men are talking to each other, they're often talking about Lisa.

983
00:56:55,880 --> 00:57:01,600
Speaker 1: It's either stocks or mostly Lisa, and are to qualify

984
00:57:01,680 --> 00:57:07,080
Speaker 1: the qualification talking about either how confusing or what a bit? Yeah,

985
00:57:07,120 --> 00:57:10,800
Speaker 1: she gets called a bitch, a tramp, all different names,

986
00:57:12,080 --> 00:57:15,439
Speaker 1: but I would also say she'd called confusing just as

987
00:57:15,480 --> 00:57:17,840
Speaker 1: many times. It's just I feel like it's just like

988
00:57:17,840 --> 00:57:22,880
Speaker 1: a weird mirror. He just doesn't Yeah, he's like so confusing, right,

989
00:57:22,960 --> 00:57:25,640
Speaker 1: He's like she's a bitch, But also I don't get it,

990
00:57:25,760 --> 00:57:30,560
Speaker 1: and I wish I understood. He used to take like

991
00:57:30,760 --> 00:57:35,000
Speaker 1: some gender studies classes. Yeah, yeah, go to the college

992
00:57:35,080 --> 00:57:39,640
Speaker 1: that Denny's at taking class. You're paying, might as well

993
00:57:39,720 --> 00:57:44,680
Speaker 1: sit it. You can see you can. God, I don't

994
00:57:44,720 --> 00:57:49,800
Speaker 1: know words what it is. Denny majoring in. I think

995
00:57:50,120 --> 00:57:52,560
Speaker 1: I think baking. The baking that they had to borrow

996
00:57:52,600 --> 00:57:56,680
Speaker 1: all the sugar and the butter for homework. Yeah, for homework.

997
00:57:57,280 --> 00:58:00,800
Speaker 1: I mean he's he bought drugs to sell drugs so

998
00:58:00,840 --> 00:58:03,120
Speaker 1: that he could make money. Even though Johnny's paying for

999
00:58:03,240 --> 00:58:07,080
Speaker 1: small business arts. He's studying business. He knows all about

1000
00:58:07,440 --> 00:58:10,640
Speaker 1: he get it. Whatever happened to Chris are though, Um,

1001
00:58:10,680 --> 00:58:13,000
Speaker 1: I mean, I feel like he's definitely started a rapping

1002
00:58:13,120 --> 00:58:16,400
Speaker 1: career because he was very he was very eminem inspired.

1003
00:58:16,680 --> 00:58:19,160
Speaker 1: He was provided with the wardrobe to start a wrapping

1004
00:58:19,200 --> 00:58:22,919
Speaker 1: career in two thousand and three. He and the gun

1005
00:58:22,960 --> 00:58:26,000
Speaker 1: that he pulls on Denny is the same gun that

1006
00:58:26,160 --> 00:58:29,680
Speaker 1: Johnny shoots himself with. They clearly had one prop gun

1007
00:58:29,920 --> 00:58:32,360
Speaker 1: on set and they're like, well, well, I mean Chris

1008
00:58:32,360 --> 00:58:35,760
Speaker 1: did get arrested apparently, like we'll take him to the police,

1009
00:58:35,800 --> 00:58:37,400
Speaker 1: so maybe they just were like, man, we'll just keep

1010
00:58:37,440 --> 00:58:40,960
Speaker 1: us around, you know, because burglars obviously want to come

1011
00:58:40,960 --> 00:58:42,880
Speaker 1: in and out of the room. You gonna have a gun.

1012
00:58:42,960 --> 00:58:45,760
Speaker 1: But they have a way of getting up to the roof. Right.

1013
00:58:46,440 --> 00:58:48,680
Speaker 1: I made a list of things I thought the room

1014
00:58:48,760 --> 00:58:52,400
Speaker 1: might smell, like, oh no, well that's the upstas the

1015
00:58:52,400 --> 00:58:55,560
Speaker 1: bedroom is the room the bedroom when all the room

1016
00:58:55,600 --> 00:58:57,600
Speaker 1: is downstairs. But also I guess they could probably could

1017
00:58:57,600 --> 00:58:59,960
Speaker 1: be connected because they're connected by a spiral staircase. By

1018
00:59:00,040 --> 00:59:04,280
Speaker 1: don't think there's a door. I don't think it is. Well,

1019
00:59:04,320 --> 00:59:05,840
Speaker 1: now there is a door, because we see when he

1020
00:59:06,320 --> 00:59:09,480
Speaker 1: that seem me like see his dick. Basically he gets one.

1021
00:59:09,920 --> 00:59:11,520
Speaker 1: He's going into the bathroom, though I think he went

1022
00:59:11,560 --> 00:59:16,920
Speaker 1: into the bathroom. I made a list of cat food, jerky,

1023
00:59:17,160 --> 00:59:22,080
Speaker 1: curdled gravy. There's a cat in there somewhere, it's living

1024
00:59:22,200 --> 00:59:26,160
Speaker 1: or dead, uh, spilled laundry, detergent that someone spills cereal,

1025
00:59:26,320 --> 00:59:31,720
Speaker 1: and the floor is to nails. A dog visited this

1026
00:59:31,800 --> 00:59:35,720
Speaker 1: apartment three years ago and ship somewhere. There's at least

1027
00:59:35,720 --> 00:59:39,360
Speaker 1: four chain wallets somewhere in this apartment. Someone at one

1028
00:59:39,400 --> 00:59:44,040
Speaker 1: point spilled a vat of vinegar and somewhere. Oh, and

1029
00:59:44,120 --> 00:59:45,720
Speaker 1: this was something we talked about when we were watching

1030
00:59:45,760 --> 00:59:48,840
Speaker 1: the movie together. All of the furniture in this movie

1031
00:59:49,160 --> 00:59:53,960
Speaker 1: is covered in brown sheets, and I presume underneath plastic sheet.

1032
00:59:55,360 --> 00:59:59,480
Speaker 1: In Kids, someone just has someone himself over. They rent

1033
00:59:59,520 --> 01:00:04,560
Speaker 1: out that couples to come in and fuck everything the apartment.

1034
01:00:05,000 --> 01:00:06,800
Speaker 1: But they were but which At first I was like, oh,

1035
01:00:06,880 --> 01:00:09,560
Speaker 1: low budget, they're probably renting the furniture. But then it

1036
01:00:09,640 --> 01:00:11,600
Speaker 1: was like you find out there's a six million dollar

1037
01:00:11,720 --> 01:00:15,520
Speaker 1: budget and they were filming these cow just covered in

1038
01:00:15,600 --> 01:00:20,400
Speaker 1: sheets and digital like, Yeah, that was a deliberate choice

1039
01:00:20,400 --> 01:00:22,200
Speaker 1: for some reason. And also I said it might smell

1040
01:00:22,280 --> 01:00:26,680
Speaker 1: like misty Mental one twenties, which is the cheapest but

1041
01:00:26,880 --> 01:00:34,400
Speaker 1: most fami form of cigarettes. Fun fact, my mom's I

1042
01:00:34,440 --> 01:00:36,840
Speaker 1: feel like also a lot of dead flowers. Well, obviously

1043
01:00:38,400 --> 01:00:42,680
Speaker 1: the row pedals all over the place. There's certainly not

1044
01:00:42,720 --> 01:00:46,000
Speaker 1: an air conditioner in this place. What about We didn't

1045
01:00:46,040 --> 01:00:49,280
Speaker 1: talk about the music the place soundtrack the plays during

1046
01:00:49,320 --> 01:00:53,959
Speaker 1: the sex scenes vaguely Eastern. I own the soundtrack someone

1047
01:00:54,360 --> 01:00:55,919
Speaker 1: someone gave it to me as a gift. They found

1048
01:00:55,960 --> 01:00:58,440
Speaker 1: it like goodwill. But I get the songs in my head,

1049
01:00:58,440 --> 01:01:02,160
Speaker 1: the rose one is get like I was singing to

1050
01:01:02,240 --> 01:01:03,720
Speaker 1: it last night next to that guy. I think he

1051
01:01:03,760 --> 01:01:10,720
Speaker 1: thought I was sucking insane. The music is like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I want to know about the soundtracks. I want to

1053
01:01:12,560 --> 01:01:14,800
Speaker 1: know if you hired like one band to write at

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01:01:14,800 --> 01:01:18,920
Speaker 1: all or what impossible to say impossible, I don't care

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01:01:19,040 --> 01:01:22,400
Speaker 1: enough to do the research. It's out there. If you

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01:01:22,440 --> 01:01:24,400
Speaker 1: want to find it, go find it. To find it,

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01:01:24,880 --> 01:01:28,160
Speaker 1: find it, get finger to that song, go crazy? Why not?

1058
01:01:28,640 --> 01:01:31,000
Speaker 1: Or finger someone to that song? Right right, let's not

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01:01:31,040 --> 01:01:35,480
Speaker 1: limit you. You're simultaneous. It's the finger yourself. I've never

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01:01:35,600 --> 01:01:37,800
Speaker 1: pulled that off. Usually, when it's like we're going to

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01:01:37,880 --> 01:01:39,560
Speaker 1: do it at the same time, one person is like,

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01:01:39,800 --> 01:01:42,320
Speaker 1: I'm not really going to do it though, But you know,

1063
01:01:42,360 --> 01:01:45,439
Speaker 1: maybe you're not like me. Maybe you can actually pull

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01:01:45,480 --> 01:01:48,320
Speaker 1: off your end of the bargain. Yeah, yeah, at least

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01:01:48,440 --> 01:01:54,160
Speaker 1: push yourself for Tommy's sake, right, Challenge yourself, just as

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01:01:54,360 --> 01:01:59,160
Speaker 1: Tommy is challenged by the English language and human behavior.

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Speaker 1: Challenge yourself. Shall we write the movie, Oh my god, million,

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01:02:04,960 --> 01:02:08,480
Speaker 1: Let's write the movie on our nipple scale. We determine

1069
01:02:08,480 --> 01:02:11,400
Speaker 1: how the movie fares based on its portrayal of women

1070
01:02:12,160 --> 01:02:14,880
Speaker 1: zero to five nipples. I mean, there are two nipples

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01:02:14,920 --> 01:02:17,280
Speaker 1: in the well, two female nipples in the movie. Wee

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01:02:18,840 --> 01:02:22,440
Speaker 1: bundle of nipples and but it's really just Lisa's nipples

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01:02:22,480 --> 01:02:28,520
Speaker 1: feel and um, and Mike figures out how to put

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01:02:28,520 --> 01:02:33,960
Speaker 1: a Mike nimples Mike Frosty tips nipples. So we see

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01:02:34,160 --> 01:02:36,360
Speaker 1: eight nipples, which is the number of nipples a single

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01:02:36,400 --> 01:02:39,200
Speaker 1: cat has. There, it is there, it is cat facts

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Speaker 1: with Caitlin. Anyway, I'm gonna give it. I mean, I

1078
01:02:42,680 --> 01:02:46,840
Speaker 1: can't give it any more than zero, Like it's zero's nipples.

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01:02:46,840 --> 01:02:51,120
Speaker 1: Like it's no, okay, you do whatever you want. I'm

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01:02:51,120 --> 01:02:54,880
Speaker 1: gonna give it zero nipples. Um. We can't even really

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01:02:55,160 --> 01:02:59,320
Speaker 1: seriously discuss this movie in any way because it barely

1082
01:02:59,480 --> 01:03:03,120
Speaker 1: is a movie. Fee but it's clear that the creator

1083
01:03:03,160 --> 01:03:08,840
Speaker 1: of this movie does not see women is dynamic, multidimensional people.

1084
01:03:09,000 --> 01:03:15,520
Speaker 1: He's just like they confusing. They're confusing, manipulative, traitors, shrews.

1085
01:03:16,280 --> 01:03:19,640
Speaker 1: I only care about taking my money. They're too smart,

1086
01:03:19,640 --> 01:03:25,600
Speaker 1: they're too dumb, or they're just crazy or yeah. I

1087
01:03:25,640 --> 01:03:28,880
Speaker 1: mean that. Plus the movie being easily the one of

1088
01:03:28,920 --> 01:03:31,560
Speaker 1: the worst movies I've ever seen. Four times and one

1089
01:03:32,080 --> 01:03:35,720
Speaker 1: part times. You love this movie it goes without saying

1090
01:03:35,760 --> 01:03:38,960
Speaker 1: that it's the worst thing ever, and it does not

1091
01:03:39,120 --> 01:03:43,560
Speaker 1: treat women well. It doesn't treat men well either. But

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01:03:44,000 --> 01:03:47,760
Speaker 1: it's just a stupid, stupid movie. And it gets zero nipples,

1093
01:03:47,880 --> 01:03:52,800
Speaker 1: and those nipples belong to oh there aren't any, so

1094
01:03:52,840 --> 01:03:57,080
Speaker 1: they don't belong to anybody. I'll say three nipples this well,

1095
01:03:57,120 --> 01:03:59,200
Speaker 1: and I'll say two nipples, and like a few like

1096
01:03:59,240 --> 01:04:02,760
Speaker 1: aerial bumps. Is that a thing? A couple of aerial

1097
01:04:02,920 --> 01:04:05,840
Speaker 1: goose bumps? All these I don't know, I think, so

1098
01:04:06,000 --> 01:04:08,040
Speaker 1: whatever they are, you know what I mean? Um, so

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01:04:08,200 --> 01:04:13,200
Speaker 1: to full nipples and a few little bumpies? Why so many?

1100
01:04:13,360 --> 01:04:16,960
Speaker 1: Because in this movie it's just a personal thing. It's

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01:04:17,000 --> 01:04:19,120
Speaker 1: it's like I've had a lot of really really fun

1102
01:04:19,160 --> 01:04:21,680
Speaker 1: experiences in my life with this movie, and so I

1103
01:04:21,720 --> 01:04:24,560
Speaker 1: can't help but relate it to that, you know, lots

1104
01:04:24,560 --> 01:04:28,280
Speaker 1: of different experiences of friends and like some good nostalgia

1105
01:04:28,360 --> 01:04:31,400
Speaker 1: for me with this movie, and just it's unlike anything

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01:04:31,400 --> 01:04:33,600
Speaker 1: I've ever seen. I can't you know, I mean, obviously

1107
01:04:33,640 --> 01:04:37,000
Speaker 1: related to the point of the podcast, it's not it

1108
01:04:37,080 --> 01:04:40,200
Speaker 1: does not probably get any nipples, but it's so hard

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01:04:40,200 --> 01:04:43,840
Speaker 1: to qualify because it's such nonsense that I'll give it

1110
01:04:43,880 --> 01:04:46,080
Speaker 1: a pass in that point, I'm going to give it

1111
01:04:46,120 --> 01:04:49,240
Speaker 1: a nipple and a half. And this is I will

1112
01:04:49,280 --> 01:04:53,560
Speaker 1: acknowledge apologist to an extent. But I don't think that

1113
01:04:53,640 --> 01:04:58,720
Speaker 1: Tommy was Out does not want to understand women. I

1114
01:04:58,760 --> 01:05:02,000
Speaker 1: think that he does. He would, like in a perfect world,

1115
01:05:02,040 --> 01:05:06,720
Speaker 1: he would understand how women work, but the way it's

1116
01:05:06,720 --> 01:05:10,080
Speaker 1: portrayed in this movie is not. But like he just

1117
01:05:10,160 --> 01:05:12,640
Speaker 1: doesn't anything. But I feel like at least he expresses

1118
01:05:12,680 --> 01:05:16,960
Speaker 1: through every male character and what are women like? It's confusing?

1119
01:05:17,280 --> 01:05:24,320
Speaker 1: What isn't confusing? Jogging, sports balls, roofs, banking, like these

1120
01:05:24,360 --> 01:05:27,600
Speaker 1: things he understands. It does pass the Backtel test a

1121
01:05:27,680 --> 01:05:30,440
Speaker 1: number of times, which probably says more to the flaws

1122
01:05:30,440 --> 01:05:34,320
Speaker 1: of the Battel test than anything else. But I think

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01:05:34,400 --> 01:05:38,480
Speaker 1: Tommyzzo would like to understand how women are. He never will.

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01:05:38,920 --> 01:05:41,040
Speaker 1: It won't happen. It's crazy because he will live at

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01:05:41,120 --> 01:05:46,520
Speaker 1: least another five years. Never will. But men don't understand women.

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01:05:46,600 --> 01:05:52,560
Speaker 1: What man does? What my boyfriend, that's Peter, that's the

1127
01:05:52,640 --> 01:05:57,600
Speaker 1: name of Peter's like book. He was like, what man does? Like, yeah,

1128
01:05:57,800 --> 01:06:02,240
Speaker 1: understanding women? He appears on Oprah time. I'll give it

1129
01:06:02,320 --> 01:06:04,520
Speaker 1: a nipple and a half. One I'm going to give

1130
01:06:04,600 --> 01:06:07,320
Speaker 1: to Lisa's just because I can summon the image of

1131
01:06:07,360 --> 01:06:10,479
Speaker 1: it to my mind so quickly. And then the other

1132
01:06:10,560 --> 01:06:16,080
Speaker 1: half I'm gonna give to Peter because we never get

1133
01:06:16,080 --> 01:06:20,000
Speaker 1: to see his nipples, but you know, they're weird. I

1134
01:06:20,040 --> 01:06:21,640
Speaker 1: feel like they look just like his face, like a

1135
01:06:21,680 --> 01:06:24,880
Speaker 1: miniature version of this. Yeah, like it's yeah, it's a

1136
01:06:24,920 --> 01:06:28,920
Speaker 1: mirror version of his face, just like a receding hairline

1137
01:06:28,960 --> 01:06:32,680
Speaker 1: at the top. He is a receding nipple hairline. I

1138
01:06:32,720 --> 01:06:38,480
Speaker 1: love him. He's cute. Anyways, you're tarrying me apart, Jamie.

1139
01:06:39,600 --> 01:06:45,880
Speaker 1: Peter's cute. Well, that just about does it for the room. Amazing.

1140
01:06:46,520 --> 01:06:51,479
Speaker 1: Watch it if you haven't seen it truly experience, Yeah,

1141
01:06:51,640 --> 01:06:54,120
Speaker 1: no one can. But Barbara, thank you so much for

1142
01:06:54,160 --> 01:06:57,280
Speaker 1: being here. It's been a delight. Thanks for choosing this one.

1143
01:06:57,360 --> 01:07:00,960
Speaker 1: I'm glad. I'm glad to put you through that. Yeah,

1144
01:07:01,200 --> 01:07:03,600
Speaker 1: well you had also you were like total recall, and

1145
01:07:03,640 --> 01:07:06,080
Speaker 1: I was like, that would be fun. Total recall three

1146
01:07:06,160 --> 01:07:08,840
Speaker 1: nipples at once. You have to get total three reading

1147
01:07:08,960 --> 01:07:12,240
Speaker 1: three nipples, I mean, no matter what exactly. Yeah, I

1148
01:07:12,280 --> 01:07:13,760
Speaker 1: just like I said, I was just like yeah, what

1149
01:07:13,800 --> 01:07:15,600
Speaker 1: are movies I've seen a million times, so feel like, yeah,

1150
01:07:15,640 --> 01:07:17,680
Speaker 1: total recall would be an interesting one, but I don't

1151
01:07:17,720 --> 01:07:20,080
Speaker 1: think it would pass at all. I don't know how

1152
01:07:20,160 --> 01:07:23,440
Speaker 1: most movies we talked about. I don't don't except for

1153
01:07:23,480 --> 01:07:26,240
Speaker 1: The Room, which now joins the Hall of Fame of movies,

1154
01:07:26,320 --> 01:07:31,440
Speaker 1: we've done that. Yeah, inevitably, somehow, usually by mistake past

1155
01:07:31,520 --> 01:07:34,840
Speaker 1: the factal tests. I mean, I'm surprised that there were

1156
01:07:34,840 --> 01:07:38,840
Speaker 1: more than one female character in the movie. There's three, three,

1157
01:07:38,960 --> 01:07:42,800
Speaker 1: and like they all seem to get along pretty well. So, hey,

1158
01:07:42,960 --> 01:07:45,760
Speaker 1: Tommy did something right, I guess. I mean, also, if

1159
01:07:45,800 --> 01:07:48,520
Speaker 1: you count the interactions with the cheesecake waitress and the

1160
01:07:48,560 --> 01:07:52,560
Speaker 1: other woman ordering cheesecake, there's a whole cheesecake scene. But

1161
01:07:52,640 --> 01:07:56,400
Speaker 1: we don't we don't know their names. You're not, hey,

1162
01:07:56,880 --> 01:08:01,120
Speaker 1: I like as woke as women can be flower Shop

1163
01:08:01,360 --> 01:08:07,480
Speaker 1: Tommy will play, women can be trying to break into

1164
01:08:07,560 --> 01:08:10,880
Speaker 1: stem but they can't quite figure it out. Well, yeah,

1165
01:08:10,920 --> 01:08:14,440
Speaker 1: but they're trying business and they're that dog at the

1166
01:08:14,480 --> 01:08:19,679
Speaker 1: flower shops a woman. And then I want to add

1167
01:08:19,720 --> 01:08:22,240
Speaker 1: the dougie. I want to have a sex scene as

1168
01:08:22,240 --> 01:08:25,679
Speaker 1: efficient as the flower shop scene. That's right, my like,

1169
01:08:25,840 --> 01:08:29,200
Speaker 1: they're like fun fun in and out by Doggie. I

1170
01:08:29,240 --> 01:08:32,320
Speaker 1: do like though that you see Johnny both go into

1171
01:08:32,360 --> 01:08:34,920
Speaker 1: the flower shop and come out of for a scene

1172
01:08:34,920 --> 01:08:37,599
Speaker 1: that didn't need to be there at all. You do

1173
01:08:37,680 --> 01:08:41,599
Speaker 1: see every step, every step. Yeah, at least now I've

1174
01:08:41,600 --> 01:08:44,320
Speaker 1: seen this movie. And Shane Van Dyke, by the way,

1175
01:08:44,520 --> 01:08:47,920
Speaker 1: is Dick Van Dyke's grandson. Okay, well check out Titanic,

1176
01:08:47,960 --> 01:08:50,840
Speaker 1: to check out Lady to Lady where I think we're

1177
01:08:50,840 --> 01:08:54,280
Speaker 1: interviewing Dick Vandyke soon really, no way, I don't know,

1178
01:08:54,439 --> 01:08:57,040
Speaker 1: but we're supposed to. He came to a comedy show

1179
01:08:57,080 --> 01:09:01,280
Speaker 1: that I did in Malibu. Shout out Chris Crofton's Boo

1180
01:09:01,360 --> 01:09:04,320
Speaker 1: comedy show. I did it recently. I got yelled at

1181
01:09:05,160 --> 01:09:07,840
Speaker 1: by Dick Van Dyke, by Shane Van Dyke, by a

1182
01:09:07,880 --> 01:09:11,479
Speaker 1: Malibu drunk. That'll happen at that show. Yeah, kind like

1183
01:09:11,600 --> 01:09:14,200
Speaker 1: was one of like six people in the audience that

1184
01:09:14,560 --> 01:09:16,519
Speaker 1: in the other four were a bunch of drunk people

1185
01:09:16,520 --> 01:09:20,080
Speaker 1: who heckled everyone the entire time. Anyway, Um, Barbara, where

1186
01:09:20,080 --> 01:09:23,479
Speaker 1: can people find you online? Where can people follow you? Um?

1187
01:09:24,080 --> 01:09:27,960
Speaker 1: My Twitter is at Bab's Gray. I probably don't pass

1188
01:09:28,000 --> 01:09:30,320
Speaker 1: the Bechdel test on there, and most of my regular

1189
01:09:30,360 --> 01:09:33,120
Speaker 1: life with myself and my website is my jokes are

1190
01:09:33,200 --> 01:09:36,120
Speaker 1: up here dot com. You can find me there and yeah,

1191
01:09:36,160 --> 01:09:38,919
Speaker 1: Lady to Lady podcast. I have a show every Friday

1192
01:09:39,200 --> 01:09:43,360
Speaker 1: called Sauce at the Sano Pizza in Hollywood, California. Yeah.

1193
01:09:44,600 --> 01:09:47,519
Speaker 1: I used to do paint night events there anyway. Oh yeah,

1194
01:09:47,520 --> 01:09:51,280
Speaker 1: and then you hooked me up with that paint job.

1195
01:09:51,600 --> 01:09:53,519
Speaker 1: I gave you the best paint job that you're like,

1196
01:09:54,000 --> 01:09:56,800
Speaker 1: Oh no, you looked me up with that Painton night

1197
01:09:56,880 --> 01:09:59,200
Speaker 1: job before we were real friends, I know. Yeah, and

1198
01:09:59,240 --> 01:10:01,200
Speaker 1: then I trained in It was like this jump sex

1199
01:10:01,800 --> 01:10:04,479
Speaker 1: and I never did it. Hey. You can follow us

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Speaker 1: on Twitter at dactel Cast, also on Instagram, also on Facebook.

1201
01:10:10,080 --> 01:10:18,200
Speaker 1: Also also on our new new new website babelcast dot com. Yes,

1202
01:10:18,439 --> 01:10:23,360
Speaker 1: sectelcast dot com period you can go there for information

1203
01:10:23,439 --> 01:10:26,519
Speaker 1: about live shows that we have coming up, including a

1204
01:10:26,600 --> 01:10:29,439
Speaker 1: show at the cinder Block Comedy Festival in Brooklyn, New York.

1205
01:10:29,439 --> 01:10:33,599
Speaker 1: On September nine. We're gonna be talking to Ray Sonny

1206
01:10:33,720 --> 01:10:38,160
Speaker 1: about the movie get Out and we're gonna go to Boston.

1207
01:10:38,360 --> 01:10:41,479
Speaker 1: That's right. The next day, on September tenth, we bought

1208
01:10:41,479 --> 01:10:43,400
Speaker 1: our mega bus. Oh I have to vemmo you from

1209
01:10:44,880 --> 01:10:48,000
Speaker 1: Oh my god. This is so embarrassing. But we have

1210
01:10:48,040 --> 01:10:51,960
Speaker 1: another show on September ten in Boston at Improv Boston

1211
01:10:52,080 --> 01:10:55,400
Speaker 1: for the Boston Comedy Arts Festival. How many more times

1212
01:10:55,400 --> 01:10:58,599
Speaker 1: can I say Boston and one sentence? We have guests

1213
01:10:58,640 --> 01:11:01,840
Speaker 1: Sam Mike very fun, a comedian talking about men in

1214
01:11:01,920 --> 01:11:05,479
Speaker 1: black baby Yeah. Check out our website. You can also

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Speaker 1: thank you so much welcome. Check out back to ocast

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Speaker 1: dot com. You can also um donate money to us there.

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01:11:12,439 --> 01:11:17,280
Speaker 1: Please do all kinds I mean, but please please please mark,

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Speaker 1: please please pleuri check out Twitter for the latest of

1219
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Speaker 1: whether Alfred Molina is going to hang out with us

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Speaker 1: or not. Yes, yes, anyway, oh bye, oh bye, oh

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Speaker 1: by Doggie