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Speaker 1: You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox

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Speaker 1: Sports Radio. Used to be you thought about Alabama long

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Speaker 1: long time ago when I was growing up, and you

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Speaker 1: had great quarterbacks who turned out to be great in

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Speaker 1: the NFL, Joe Namath, Bart Starr, Kenny Stabler. Now you

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Speaker 1: look at Alabama and you're gonna have three former Alabama

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Speaker 1: quarterbacks starting Week one Jets and Dolphins. They face off

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Speaker 1: in Week one or that Patriots and the Dolphins. That's

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Speaker 1: two of versus Mac Jones. And then Jalen Hurts he

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Speaker 1: just got the starting job in Philadelphia. Three Alabama quarterbacks,

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Speaker 1: and those quarterbacks were in that same quarterback room eight

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Speaker 1: Senior NFL writer covering the Patriots, host of the Ben

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Speaker 1: and the Great reporter covering the New England Patriots joined

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Speaker 1: us on the program. How surprised were you with the

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Speaker 1: news yesterday morning? Ben? I'd love to pretend that I

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Speaker 1: saw this all coming, but I can't. I was very surprised,

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Speaker 1: like everyone else, for several reasons. You know this is

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Speaker 1: a very veteran team that Bill Belichick has built here,

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Speaker 1: veteran offensive line, playmakers, the defense, and they're entrusting it

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Speaker 1: all now to a rookie quarterback. I thought they were

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Speaker 1: going to start the season with Cam Newton, go with

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Speaker 1: the veteran. I thought that'd be the safer play. Let

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Speaker 1: Cam kind of sink or swim on his own, and

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Speaker 1: then if he does sink, you can turn the team

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Speaker 1: over to Mac Jones. But I think this is just

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Speaker 1: a testament to how good Mac Jones has looked throughout

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Speaker 1: the preseason. I think this is really about him and

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Speaker 1: pressing Bill Belichick and the coaches and showing that he's

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Speaker 1: ready for this. Not necessarily that he beat out Cam Newton,

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Speaker 1: because I don't think that Cam had that bad of

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Speaker 1: a preseason by any stretch. But I think that Mac

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Speaker 1: was the future. He's the guy they invested in, and

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Speaker 1: he I think blew them away with his improvement throughout

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Speaker 1: the five weeks, the way he was able to build

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Speaker 1: on one day from the next, his performance last week

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Speaker 1: in three practices where he was the only quarterback running

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Speaker 1: with the ones when Cam Newton was out, I think

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Speaker 1: Mac Jones took that opportunity and absolutely ran with it.

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Speaker 1: And then when you're gonna make the decision to turn

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Speaker 1: the team over to your rookie quarterback and Mac, I

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Speaker 1: just think it wasn't tenable to have Cam Newton around

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Speaker 1: as the backup. He's a big personality. When you watch practice,

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Speaker 1: Cam is the ring leader. He's the guy dancing during

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Speaker 1: warm ups and getting guys hyped, and guys definitely gravitate

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Speaker 1: around Cam Newton. And this is Mac Jones's team now,

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Speaker 1: and Cam's never had to take a backseat to anyone before.

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Speaker 1: It's been since two thousand and eight when he was

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Speaker 1: at Florida that he's been a backup. So to me,

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Speaker 1: I think Belichick made the right move just get that

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Speaker 1: element out of the locker room, give Mac Jones the

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Speaker 1: space that he needs to grow into the leader, and

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Speaker 1: clearly the team thinks very highly of him. Do you

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Speaker 1: think Cam asked for to be released. I think it's

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Speaker 1: probably mutual. I don't think Cam wanted to be the

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Speaker 1: backup here. He obviously you know the writings on the wall.

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Speaker 1: He's not going to get the job back Mac Jones

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Speaker 1: unless there's an injury. And I don't think the Patriots

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Speaker 1: Like I said, I don't think they wanted that dynamic

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Speaker 1: in their locker room where there's two quarterbacks trying to

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Speaker 1: be the leader. And I don't know if Cam can

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Speaker 1: turn the switch off. He's he's such an alpha dominant personality.

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Speaker 1: He's always used to being the guy, and I just

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Speaker 1: don't think that's a good way to support your young quarterback.

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Speaker 1: Nothing against Cam, I don't think it's anything personal. It's

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Speaker 1: just who he is as a person, as a player,

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Speaker 1: and I think it's going to affect his ability assuming

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Speaker 1: he wants a backup job. We don't even know he

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Speaker 1: really wants to, you know, not every quarterback who's made

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Speaker 1: one hundred million dollars wants to grind it out as

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Speaker 1: a backup for league minimum. So if he does want

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Speaker 1: a backup job, I think just his big personality is

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Speaker 1: going to work against him with other teams the way

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Speaker 1: it did with the Patriots. Do you think that there

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Speaker 1: is a seminal moment where Mac won this job that

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Speaker 1: you look back and you go, that's probably when he

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Speaker 1: said or showed to Belichick and Josh McDaniels, I'm your quarterback.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I honestly think it has to be the

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Speaker 1: three days that Cam Newton missed due to the quote

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Speaker 1: misunderstanding of the COVID protocols, whatever it was, you know,

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Speaker 1: Cam not being vaccinated. He had to sit out for

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Speaker 1: three days, and of all places to do it here

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Speaker 1: Mac got his opportunity, and I think he really ran

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Speaker 1: five to Josh McDaniels. Bill Belichick's waiting for him with

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Speaker 1: a high five. He's jumping and you know, hip bouncing

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Speaker 1: growing all around. And so I think absolutely that week,

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Speaker 1: just last week, where he had three days all to himself,

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Speaker 1: I think that's when he showed the coaching staff that

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Speaker 1: he's ready for this. You've been covering this team, I

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Speaker 1: think for close to a decade. Where would you rank

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Speaker 1: this move of all the moves that the Patriots have made.

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Speaker 1: It's a big one. I guess I'm trying to think,

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Speaker 1: you know, letting Tom Brady go that was a pretty

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Speaker 1: significant one as well, and one that they're you know,

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Speaker 1: I hope this mac Jones for their sake. I hope

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Speaker 1: it works out. But but there's still probably some doubts

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Speaker 1: over whether they should have let Tom Brady go. You know,

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Speaker 1: I guess you go back to the Lawyer Malloy move

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Speaker 1: where they cut him on the eve of the season

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Speaker 1: all the way back in two thousand and three. This

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Speaker 1: maybe doesn't rate quite as high because Cam isn't as

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Speaker 1: entrenched with the Patriots as Lawyer Malloy was. But this

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Speaker 1: was definitely a big surprise. Maybe Logan Mankins getting traded

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Speaker 1: right on the eve of the regular season in twenty fourteen,

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Speaker 1: that was a big shock to the system. Tom Brady

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Speaker 1: is big. I mean, I don't think any of us

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Speaker 1: really expected Bill Belichick to go with the rookie quarterback

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Speaker 1: for Week one. Belichick has coached three hundred and seventy

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Speaker 1: seven games with the Patriots, including postseason. Exactly two of

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Speaker 1: them have been started by a rookie quarterback, Jacoby Brissette

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Speaker 1: for two games in twenty sixteen. So this has never

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Speaker 1: Belichick's never done this before. Obviously he had Tom Brady

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Speaker 1: for so long. But you know, I think this again,

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Speaker 1: it's just a sign that Mac Jones was really impressive

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Speaker 1: that you know, Mac Jones is you know, he's Tom Brady,

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Speaker 1: but his style is Tom Brady, not you know, his

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Speaker 1: felt like that, you know, Josh McDaniels and Bill Belichick,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna see Tom Brady two point er, Like, here's

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Speaker 1: the next reincarnation of him, somebody who's based their career

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Speaker 1: on trying to be Tom Brady. Like, is it blasphemous

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Speaker 1: to say that Mac Jones wants to be or plays

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Speaker 1: a hookie. I know the style though, Ben, Oh, no question, Okay,

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Speaker 1: this is all about going back to the Tom Brady

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Speaker 1: rushing for many first downs this year. They're not going

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Speaker 1: to be calling read option plays. But mac Jones can

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Speaker 1: operate from the pocket, and he can deal the ball

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Speaker 1: from the pocket, and that's what the NFL is still

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Speaker 1: all about. You know, Athleticism is important for quarterbacks, but

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Speaker 1: an immobile, forty three year old quarterback with a bum

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Speaker 1: of the old style. You know, watching the Patriots last

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Speaker 1: Now with mac Jones, you've got a downfield passing attack.

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Speaker 1: I think the play action passing game is gonna be

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Speaker 1: middle John new Smith and Hunter Henry, and yes, absolutely

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Speaker 1: it is a very similar style to what they ran

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Speaker 1: So I definitely think they're more comfortable with Mac Jones

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Speaker 1: and his style of back. And in today's NFL, you

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Speaker 1: got to be able to deal from the from the pocket,

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Speaker 1: and I think mac Jones is far superior at that

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Speaker 1: than Cam Newton was. I don't know how inspirational this

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Speaker 1: would sound to you if you're Mac Jones, But Josh

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Speaker 1: McDaniels said about Mac Jones, he comes in well prepared

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Speaker 1: every day to do the things we ask our guys

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Speaker 1: giving the other guys the opportunity to do their job

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Speaker 1: endorsement there of your news starting quarterback. What do you

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Speaker 1: make of Josh McDaniels assessment. Yeah, I don't know if

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Speaker 1: Patriots coaches straining themselves to not gush about Mac Jones.

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Speaker 1: I think it's clear they love him and they're just

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Speaker 1: trying not to hype the Kimp. And that's why Belichick

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Speaker 1: They're just Mac Jones. They're just trying to keep a

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Speaker 1: of themselves. But to me, what caught my attention in

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Speaker 1: the last couple of weeks with mac Jones is not

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Speaker 1: Belichick in an interview was raving about mac Jones's work ethic,

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Speaker 1: and then you hear from respected veterans Matthew Slater, Dante Highetower,

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Speaker 1: Brian Hoyer raving about mac Jones and his work ethic

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Speaker 1: and how he's impressed the veterans and High Tower saying,

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Speaker 1: you know, I saw mac Jones was studying our defensive

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Speaker 1: playbook and I've never really seen that before, and that

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Speaker 1: with mac Jones and how just mature and he's been

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Speaker 1: so far and his work ethic. So you know McDaniel's

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Speaker 1: his way not to you know, build the hype with

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Speaker 1: really love this kid. How big is that ticket now

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Speaker 1: in New England Week four when the Patriot toast Tampa

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Speaker 1: was already going to be a huge ticket just from

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Speaker 1: Brady coming back. But yeah, Mac Jones, you know, it's

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Speaker 1: like Belichick's coming back to the fight, like, oh, you

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Speaker 1: think you're you're good Brady, Like, well, I got my

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Speaker 1: So it's gonna be awesome. I can't wait to see

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Speaker 1: how Belichick defends Brady. You know what kind of kitchen

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Speaker 1: and we are ten games under five hundred or whatever

426
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Speaker 1: it was in our last forty and you know, we're

427
00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:34,920
Speaker 1: not given the fans what they want. We are underachieving. Like,

428
00:21:35,400 --> 00:21:38,600
Speaker 1: so you can't boo back to the fans when you're

429
00:21:38,640 --> 00:21:41,000
Speaker 1: not getting it done. It beats different if it was

430
00:21:41,040 --> 00:21:43,600
Speaker 1: different circumstances. But the bottom line is the Mets are

431
00:21:43,680 --> 00:21:46,720
Speaker 1: underachieving right now and the fans are booing. I don't

432
00:21:46,720 --> 00:21:49,560
Speaker 1: think it's okay to boo back to the fans because

433
00:21:49,840 --> 00:21:52,159
Speaker 1: it just sends a bad message. Well, it's you know

434
00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:54,399
Speaker 1: what came first, the chicken or the egg. You know,

435
00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:57,879
Speaker 1: your bad play came before the booing started. If you

436
00:21:57,920 --> 00:22:00,879
Speaker 1: play well, then they're not going to be booing you.

437
00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:04,520
Speaker 1: I just never understood. And I remember Tino Martinez told

438
00:22:04,520 --> 00:22:06,600
Speaker 1: me that he went from the Yankees to the Cardinals

439
00:22:07,040 --> 00:22:09,920
Speaker 1: and he said, you know, I would get booed at

440
00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:12,399
Speaker 1: Yankee Stadium if I wasn't playing well. I went to

441
00:22:12,440 --> 00:22:14,919
Speaker 1: Saint Louis and they were like, hey, you'll get him

442
00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:18,720
Speaker 1: next time, and and Tino said, I wanted them to

443
00:22:18,840 --> 00:22:20,560
Speaker 1: yell at me. I wanted them to boom me like

444
00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:24,439
Speaker 1: I needed that. I expected that, not like, hey, that's okay,

445
00:22:24,600 --> 00:22:26,639
Speaker 1: you're oh for ten. We'll get him next time, Tino,

446
00:22:27,040 --> 00:22:31,160
Speaker 1: Come on, don't worry about it. You're gonna be okay. Well,

447
00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:33,280
Speaker 1: Saint Louis is the one place I remember you. You

448
00:22:33,359 --> 00:22:35,359
Speaker 1: make a diving play on the visiting team. You come

449
00:22:35,440 --> 00:22:37,400
Speaker 1: up and they're cheering for you. You're like, man, where

450
00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:41,760
Speaker 1: are we? Hey? Cheer for everybody, and I can see like,

451
00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:43,960
Speaker 1: you're right, Tino Martinez, Hey you all right man, you're

452
00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:46,240
Speaker 1: oh for your last twenty seven. You'll be better tomorrow.

453
00:22:46,280 --> 00:22:48,879
Speaker 1: In New York, they're like, get out of Pound, you suck,

454
00:22:49,080 --> 00:22:52,400
Speaker 1: You're out of here. Could you have played in New York? Yeah?

455
00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:54,439
Speaker 1: I think I could have definitely played in New York. Yeah.

456
00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:56,480
Speaker 1: I could have definitely played New York, especially later in

457
00:22:56,520 --> 00:22:59,880
Speaker 1: my career when you start, when you start to under

458
00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:02,000
Speaker 1: stand what it takes to play in places like that.

459
00:23:02,119 --> 00:23:05,159
Speaker 1: You know, my last year Danny was in Boston, so

460
00:23:05,359 --> 00:23:07,680
Speaker 1: and I ended up hitting well. So I always say

461
00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:09,320
Speaker 1: what was They always say what was your experience like

462
00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:11,800
Speaker 1: in Boston. I said, it was unbelievable. You know, I

463
00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:14,760
Speaker 1: ended up hitting over three hundred and it never got booted.

464
00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:17,480
Speaker 1: So it was a great thing, great experience. What kind

465
00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:20,280
Speaker 1: of ballplayer would you be because you were an average

466
00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:22,199
Speaker 1: you hit for average, not an average hit or you

467
00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:25,159
Speaker 1: hit for average. Is there a place in baseball for

468
00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:30,000
Speaker 1: you today? Oh? Man? I think I think, I'm I

469
00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:33,600
Speaker 1: think a hitter like myself would be more appreciated in

470
00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:37,920
Speaker 1: today's game just because you know, I didn't strike you know,

471
00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:40,560
Speaker 1: I didn't strike out a hundred times like I was gonna.

472
00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:43,119
Speaker 1: I was a three seventy on base you know, I was.

473
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Speaker 1: I was, I was. I was still gonna. I was

474
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Speaker 1: still gonna hit your doubles. I was gonna hit you

475
00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:49,480
Speaker 1: some home runs. I was gonna drive in runs. So

476
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Speaker 1: like a guy like me, I think would have been

477
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Speaker 1: a would have there's they need more guys like me

478
00:23:55,080 --> 00:23:57,639
Speaker 1: that were good hitters in the game today because the

479
00:23:57,760 --> 00:24:01,760
Speaker 1: three true outcomes and just the the strikeouts. How it's

480
00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:04,639
Speaker 1: just okay to strike out two hundred times nowadays. I

481
00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:07,119
Speaker 1: just don't. I don't think that's the greatest product. And

482
00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:09,320
Speaker 1: I also think Danny, if you go and look at

483
00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:11,320
Speaker 1: the at the at the teams that have won it

484
00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:14,080
Speaker 1: in the last few years. You know, these teams do

485
00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:16,200
Speaker 1: have good hitters down, up and down their lineups. There

486
00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:18,800
Speaker 1: are tough outs in those lineups. So yeah, I think

487
00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:21,400
Speaker 1: I would do well in today's game. He Sean Casey

488
00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:24,720
Speaker 1: works for the Major League Baseball Network. Three time National

489
00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:27,600
Speaker 1: League All Star. Do you think back in the day,

490
00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:31,440
Speaker 1: and you were probably in the throws of the steroid

491
00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:34,480
Speaker 1: era in the late nineties, Like, do you have to

492
00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:37,600
Speaker 1: make a conscious decision to say I'm not going to

493
00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:41,920
Speaker 1: use steroids? I think so. Yeah, you know it's funny man.

494
00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:45,520
Speaker 1: And I mean this sincerely, like I never did steroids,

495
00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:47,959
Speaker 1: and I didn't even know all the guys are doing it.

496
00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:50,480
Speaker 1: I just I mean, the lifting was huge. End guys

497
00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:53,520
Speaker 1: were huge, and I really think the guys that were

498
00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:56,119
Speaker 1: doing it knew knew, they all knew. They were like

499
00:24:56,119 --> 00:24:59,639
Speaker 1: a little club. So did I expect some guys, like

500
00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:01,800
Speaker 1: a couple guys that I that would come to spring

501
00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:04,439
Speaker 1: training with thirty pounds of muscle And I'm in the

502
00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:07,280
Speaker 1: offseason with a personal trainer, like just getting after it

503
00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:09,199
Speaker 1: four or five days a week, doing everything I can.

504
00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:10,800
Speaker 1: I put on three pounds of muscle and I come

505
00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:13,320
Speaker 1: into spring training like, what the hell is this normal?

506
00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:15,560
Speaker 1: You put on three pounds of muscle and I'm like, bro,

507
00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:18,160
Speaker 1: how'd you put on thirty five pounds of muscle in

508
00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:20,639
Speaker 1: four months? He's like, oh, man, I just I was

509
00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:22,520
Speaker 1: training hard and I had a personal train. I was like,

510
00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:26,720
Speaker 1: so did I. I was like, you put on thirty

511
00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:28,720
Speaker 1: two more pounds of muscle than I did. You gotta

512
00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:31,840
Speaker 1: be kidding me. So, you know, playing in that playing

513
00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:34,000
Speaker 1: during that time, I think it was a conscious choice

514
00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:36,600
Speaker 1: not to do it, But looking back, I don't. I

515
00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:39,200
Speaker 1: think for a lot of those years, I didn't realize

516
00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:42,600
Speaker 1: how many guys were doing it because there's the pressure.

517
00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:44,439
Speaker 1: It's not when you get to the majors, but in

518
00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:47,399
Speaker 1: the minor leagues. And you know, two guys I know

519
00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:50,840
Speaker 1: who were former minor leaguers said, if you don't want

520
00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:53,960
Speaker 1: to do it, but then you see that somebody else

521
00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:55,600
Speaker 1: is doing it and they're going to get a better

522
00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:58,520
Speaker 1: chance of getting called up. So it's that peer pressure

523
00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:01,200
Speaker 1: and the money is so different when you get called

524
00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:04,320
Speaker 1: up that you really have to have that, you know,

525
00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:07,840
Speaker 1: the good angel on your shoulder and the devil on

526
00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:10,320
Speaker 1: your other shoulder and they're like, who am I listening

527
00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:12,840
Speaker 1: to here? Yeah? Yeah, I think the pressure, You're right,

528
00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:18,159
Speaker 1: the pressure the money nowadays, when you start to feel that, okay,

529
00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:21,240
Speaker 1: the playing field's not fair, you know, I mean that

530
00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:24,840
Speaker 1: their guys are making it, you know, that are doing steroids.

531
00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:26,840
Speaker 1: They're the ones making all the money. And here I

532
00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:29,080
Speaker 1: am in the minors. I'm not going to make it.

533
00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:31,240
Speaker 1: And I and what am I gonna do? Get a

534
00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:32,720
Speaker 1: pat on the back and say I didn't do it?

535
00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:34,760
Speaker 1: So I think there was a real dilemma there for guys,

536
00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:36,320
Speaker 1: and a lot of guys that did do it and

537
00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:40,600
Speaker 1: didn't do it and understandably so handicapped the National League.

538
00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:42,560
Speaker 1: Wess you like the giants of the Dodgers here down

539
00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:44,879
Speaker 1: the shop man, man, I tell you what. I just

540
00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:49,760
Speaker 1: think that the Giants have been so awesome, what a story,

541
00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:51,920
Speaker 1: you know. And I think they're really I think they're

542
00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:54,240
Speaker 1: a really really good team. I mean, I just feel

543
00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:56,960
Speaker 1: like the Dodgers are coming, you know, they've been making

544
00:26:56,960 --> 00:27:00,520
Speaker 1: that run. They're a half game back now, pushing hard, uh,

545
00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:03,199
Speaker 1: you know, adding a Sharzern Turner and those guys you

546
00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:05,680
Speaker 1: know at the at the deadline, I think has been huge.

547
00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:09,320
Speaker 1: I think that I think the Dodgers overtake the Giants

548
00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:12,760
Speaker 1: in September. What do you think about the usage of

549
00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:17,359
Speaker 1: showhy Outani doing double double duty here? I love it.

550
00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:19,840
Speaker 1: I love it. I think I think we're seeing who

551
00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:24,320
Speaker 1: show Hey um really is because when when Madden was

552
00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:25,800
Speaker 1: like what do you want to do? I think what

553
00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:27,199
Speaker 1: a spring train is, like what do you want to do?

554
00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:29,400
Speaker 1: He's like, listen, I want to hit and I want

555
00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:31,439
Speaker 1: to pitch. I don't want to go back to taking

556
00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:33,920
Speaker 1: two days off. And you know with kid gloves, I

557
00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:35,640
Speaker 1: think they took the kid gloves off and they say,

558
00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:37,840
Speaker 1: the reason you're here is because you're a once in

559
00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:40,320
Speaker 1: a generational player. No, you're a once in a lifetime player.

560
00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:43,119
Speaker 1: We've never seen a guy like you, like don't do it,

561
00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:45,000
Speaker 1: And so I think the fact that he's doing it,

562
00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:47,160
Speaker 1: he's built to do what he's doing, And I think

563
00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:50,720
Speaker 1: that's why it's been such an unbelievable thing to see

564
00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:52,680
Speaker 1: show Hey, you know doing what he's doing on both

565
00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:56,359
Speaker 1: sides of the ball. Well, I like the story, but

566
00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:59,960
Speaker 1: I wonder about long term, can he continue to do it?

567
00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:03,040
Speaker 1: Does it take away from I can't imagine and I

568
00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:05,960
Speaker 1: saw this at Yankee Stadium a couple of months ago,

569
00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:08,680
Speaker 1: where he's got to face the Yankees and they's got

570
00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:12,600
Speaker 1: a lead off. You know, pitchers spend five days preparing

571
00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:16,000
Speaker 1: for a start and he's playing every single day and

572
00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:19,960
Speaker 1: just that mental fatigue that you have. It's such a

573
00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:24,719
Speaker 1: long season, and that's what I wonder, is it counter productive?

574
00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:27,840
Speaker 1: Will it be counterproductive? And at some point no, But

575
00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:30,240
Speaker 1: I think he's the biggest thing with a big league

576
00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:32,040
Speaker 1: If you talk to anybody, it's your routine. Hey, man,

577
00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:34,160
Speaker 1: what's your routine when you come to the big leagues? Hey,

578
00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:36,879
Speaker 1: get a good routine? Well show hey. Since he's obviously

579
00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:40,680
Speaker 1: been a teenager in Japan, has got this routine where

580
00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:44,400
Speaker 1: he could start every fifth day but also hit every day.

581
00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:46,680
Speaker 1: I think his routine is just different than what we

582
00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:48,880
Speaker 1: know in the States. That's why we've never seen anything

583
00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:50,880
Speaker 1: like it. So I think he's going to be able

584
00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:52,480
Speaker 1: to do it. I really do. I think he's got

585
00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:55,360
Speaker 1: his body condition and Danny. If he doesn't, then he

586
00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:57,320
Speaker 1: picks one of them and he'd be still one of

587
00:28:57,320 --> 00:28:59,720
Speaker 1: the best players in baseball on one side of the ball.

588
00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:02,120
Speaker 1: But watch him do this. As long as we can

589
00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:05,320
Speaker 1: man as fans, we gotta keep really enjoying it and

590
00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:07,640
Speaker 1: saying we've never standing like this. How many Hall of

591
00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:11,600
Speaker 1: Famers did you take deep? I think I took a

592
00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:16,120
Speaker 1: few deep. Uh, I don't know. Do you have the numbers?

593
00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:20,040
Speaker 1: I don't know. Maybe like, how about how about fifteen?

594
00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:22,600
Speaker 1: Can give me the one though that you like you

595
00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:25,320
Speaker 1: took deep and you're like that that picture might be

596
00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:28,760
Speaker 1: a little I took, I took, I took um. Let

597
00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:30,720
Speaker 1: me see what one pops into night. I took Glavin

598
00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:34,320
Speaker 1: deep a few times. Um, I took. I hit really

599
00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:39,160
Speaker 1: well against Maddox. Uh. Smoltz was pretty nasty. Uh. Let

600
00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:41,480
Speaker 1: me see Randy Johnson. I never took deep, but I

601
00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:44,280
Speaker 1: hit him pretty well. Let me see what other big

602
00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:47,720
Speaker 1: Roy Holliday Man. Maybe I didn't go deep and bets enough.

603
00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:49,400
Speaker 1: I know I hit a lot of them well, but

604
00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:53,040
Speaker 1: maybe not. I know I got Glavin a few times.

605
00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:55,840
Speaker 1: Why am I drawn blanks on Hall of Famers and

606
00:29:55,880 --> 00:30:01,680
Speaker 1: I played against? But so maybe two you went from

607
00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:05,200
Speaker 1: fifteen to ten to two. I was like, man, maybe

608
00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:06,920
Speaker 1: I'm starting to rattle with the Hall of favors I

609
00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:09,800
Speaker 1: played against. Maybe it's not so many, Okay, no one.

610
00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:12,560
Speaker 1: There's gotta be one more out there somewhere. Okay, you

611
00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:14,800
Speaker 1: walk up to the plate for the first time against

612
00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:22,880
Speaker 1: Randy Johnson, Yeah, what are you thinking? I seriously was like, God,

613
00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:26,160
Speaker 1: is this scary? Like, seriously, why walk out there in

614
00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:28,520
Speaker 1: my first time facing I'll never forget. I was in Cincinnati.

615
00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:30,840
Speaker 1: He's with Arizona. I walk out. He's just got the

616
00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:34,000
Speaker 1: long mullet, you know, just you know, six e eleven.

617
00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:37,200
Speaker 1: You know, it's so scary. And I get up there

618
00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:39,440
Speaker 1: and I remember thinking myself, oh my god, that's Randy Johnson.

619
00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:41,840
Speaker 1: I got his baseball card. It is unbelievable. Next, you know,

620
00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:45,880
Speaker 1: I was like, wham, a hundred outside corner. I'm like, Jesus,

621
00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:48,920
Speaker 1: that's one whom I'm a hundred outside corner. And then

622
00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:52,280
Speaker 1: ninety three mile hour slider, ninety three mide and I'm like, wow,

623
00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:54,880
Speaker 1: I'm in for a dogfight. Here's I've never seen anything

624
00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:57,840
Speaker 1: like this in my entire life. Right. So I'm like, Danny,

625
00:30:57,840 --> 00:30:59,640
Speaker 1: I start battling because you know, I didn't strike out

626
00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:00,960
Speaker 1: a lot. So I get the two two. I'm like,

627
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:04,400
Speaker 1: I'm not punching out two two foul, foul, foul. So

628
00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:07,840
Speaker 1: on this. On like the seventh pitch, Randy Johnson walks up.

629
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:10,120
Speaker 1: He gets like ten feet from the from the freaking

630
00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:12,880
Speaker 1: uh from the plate. He snatches the bar and looks

631
00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:17,480
Speaker 1: at me like, oh my god. I was like, I

632
00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:18,840
Speaker 1: just want to get the hell out of here. I

633
00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:20,960
Speaker 1: was like, so the next pitch I grounded out and

634
00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:22,480
Speaker 1: I was running the first. I was like, that's the

635
00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:24,200
Speaker 1: greatest ground out of my life. I just wanted to

636
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Speaker 1: be done with this about It's always great to talk

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Speaker 1: to you, man. I hope you're well all right, Danny,

638
00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:34,520
Speaker 1: great seedy man. Thanks for having me on at Sean Casey.

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Speaker 1: Now you know why he was called the Mayor, the

640
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:43,440
Speaker 1: fact that Randy Johnson's like ten feet away going Major

641
00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:46,880
Speaker 1: League Baseball Network analysts, three time National League goal star.

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00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:50,520
Speaker 1: You can watch Sean across MLB Networks programming, plus check

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00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:56,240
Speaker 1: out his new podcast, The Mayor's Office. Paul and Iowa

644
00:31:56,320 --> 00:32:01,400
Speaker 1: joins us on the program. Hi Paul, what do you have? Hey? Dan?

645
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Speaker 1: First up, you know, I'm twenty six years young and

646
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:11,400
Speaker 1: i'd like to announce my continuing football career at Bishop Sycamore. Yeah.

647
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Speaker 1: You may be on the younger side though, but thank

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Speaker 1: you Paul, Yeah, five eleven, one seventy five. I hear

649
00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:23,160
Speaker 1: they need a kicker, but really my call today is

650
00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:25,840
Speaker 1: I want to ask you about this hobby by a

651
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:29,400
Speaker 1: situation and where does this fit into the unwritten rules

652
00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:31,720
Speaker 1: of Major League Baseball? Does this kind of equate too?

653
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:36,960
Speaker 1: When Randy Moss gave him moon thank you, Paul, I

654
00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:40,160
Speaker 1: had no problem with. I mean, Randy Moss didn't pull

655
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:42,680
Speaker 1: down he pulled down his pants or give the you know,

656
00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:45,360
Speaker 1: the impression he was pulling down his pants. Joe Buck

657
00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:47,720
Speaker 1: made it worse than what it was because if you

658
00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:49,160
Speaker 1: just hear the call, you're like, oh my god, what

659
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:53,400
Speaker 1: did Randy Moss do? I don't know if it's not

660
00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:58,040
Speaker 1: like he actually pulled his pants down. Hey, Joe Buck

661
00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:02,160
Speaker 1: made it sound like he did truly move you. But yeah,

662
00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:07,240
Speaker 1: the unwritten rules. These are New York fans. You love

663
00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:10,560
Speaker 1: the passion, but then you can't go, oh man, you

664
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Speaker 1: got too much passion. You guys cared too much. He

665
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:16,840
Speaker 1: came from Chicago where you're probably not getting booed, and

666
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Speaker 1: you won a World Series there by the way, We

667
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Speaker 1: did reach out to coaching staff at Bishop Sycamore, the

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Speaker 1: Fictitious High School and they were not available. We were

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Speaker 1: told by somebody that we had to pay, like what

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Speaker 1: kind of compensation could we give to one of the

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Speaker 1: coaches who would be joining us? Fritzie, you had the

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Speaker 1: interaction there with them, I did, and there was a

673
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Speaker 1: message back to me basically saying, you know what type

674
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Speaker 1: of compensations involved? Because while they're going through all this

675
00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:48,480
Speaker 1: darrests and stress and everything, I guess maybe they would

676
00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:50,640
Speaker 1: feel better if they were getting some kind of money

677
00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:52,560
Speaker 1: for coming on this. Okay, but but how we don't

678
00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:55,880
Speaker 1: pay guests? Did not? Do? I get like fifty dollars

679
00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:59,000
Speaker 1: one hundred? Like, how much is enough? Like? How much

680
00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:01,120
Speaker 1: is it for a high school coach? A fair question,

681
00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:03,200
Speaker 1: by the way, the high school coach just got fired,

682
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Speaker 1: didn't he at Bishop Sycamore? Yeah, so you probably gotta

683
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Speaker 1: up it a little bit to make up for that.

684
00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:09,520
Speaker 1: Maybe it's closer to one hundred dollars for a footman.

685
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Speaker 1: My question. When McLean sent this to me yesterday, he goes, yeah,

686
00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:15,480
Speaker 1: and the head coach of Bishop Sycamore got fired, And

687
00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:19,320
Speaker 1: I go by, who, like, do they have any adults

688
00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:22,080
Speaker 1: who are affiliated with the program? They're a GM over

689
00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:25,640
Speaker 1: the team that's I didn't know. I wasn't sure who

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00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:29,160
Speaker 1: this was that that would fire the coach. Yes, McLean,

691
00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:31,120
Speaker 1: I was afraid to say this yesterday, but I think

692
00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:34,279
Speaker 1: we should have paid for the guy chipping. Aren't you

693
00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:36,680
Speaker 1: dying to know what he would say? You know when

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Speaker 1: Fritzie said, Hey, I'm going to reach out, and I said, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'd be interested to hear from this coach of how

696
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Speaker 1: he's pulled this fraud off and got on ESPN to play.

697
00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:47,840
Speaker 1: You know, one of the better schools in the country,

698
00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:49,920
Speaker 1: and he's got kids who aren't even in high school.

699
00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:53,799
Speaker 1: They don't even actually have a school. Yeah, and if

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Speaker 1: we were journalistically unethical, I willing to actually pay for

701
00:34:56,160 --> 00:34:57,440
Speaker 1: when we subo to come out. We don't even know

702
00:34:57,480 --> 00:34:59,319
Speaker 1: what to send in the check to or some box

703
00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:02,120
Speaker 1: that doesn't exists online. Send it. Tell them we're gonna

704
00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:04,239
Speaker 1: send it to the high school. High school. Yeah, we'll

705
00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:06,400
Speaker 1: send it to the high school. I'm gonna drop it

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Speaker 1: off at the high school. Next time I'm in Columbus,

707
00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:10,920
Speaker 1: I'll drop it off at the high school. All right,

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Speaker 1: let me take a break. More phone calls coming up.

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00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:17,160
Speaker 1: The Ben Simmons situation with the seventy six Ers is

710
00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:22,000
Speaker 1: not going away and are the Sixers making it worse?

711
00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:23,760
Speaker 1: I'll have that for you coming up. Thanks for listening

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Speaker 1: PF subscriptions. I want to talk about quarterbacks, but I

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Speaker 1: want you to go back to last year, though, Mike,

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Speaker 1: and where was Zach Wilson on your radar? Where was

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00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:36,759
Speaker 1: Mac Jones on your radar? These are guys who were

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Speaker 1: starting week one in the NFL. Because it feels like

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Speaker 1: every year we happen upon somebody and we go where

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00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:46,839
Speaker 1: did they come from? So let's go back to where

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00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:48,839
Speaker 1: he had Zach Wilson and Mac Jones a year ago.

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Speaker 1: There are the radar for sure, they were not super

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Speaker 1: high on that radar though. Mac Jones obviously we saw

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Speaker 1: him towards the end after two went down. There was

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Speaker 1: a guy on our staff, our college guy, Seth Galena,

740
00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:05,080
Speaker 1: who said, you know, he could end up as an

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00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:07,280
Speaker 1: actual quarterback prospect. I didn't think he had the tools.

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Speaker 1: Zach Wilson obviously had that shoulder injury, did not have

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Speaker 1: a good sophomore year. He was actually more thought of

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00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:14,879
Speaker 1: highly as a prospect by US back after his freshman year.

745
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:17,080
Speaker 1: So I think he kind of hit the nail on

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00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:19,839
Speaker 1: the head here. There's like this trend of guys coming

747
00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:22,600
Speaker 1: out of nowhere, and I think it's kind of how

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00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:27,600
Speaker 1: quarterback development has been at the younger ages nowadays. It

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Speaker 1: doesn't kind of take that long, four year starter to

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Speaker 1: actually establish yourself as this real deal quarterback prospect. I

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Speaker 1: said this numerous times last season that mac Jones was

752
00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:40,680
Speaker 1: making it look too easy. The regular season, was just

753
00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:43,680
Speaker 1: making it look too easy. And then I thought, well, okay,

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Speaker 1: you got you got a running back first rounder, he

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Speaker 1: got offensive line first rounders, wide receivers first rounders. Is

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Speaker 1: he any good? I wasn't. I don't know if I'm

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00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:58,080
Speaker 1: still sure how good he is, but he there's something

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Speaker 1: to be said about how easy he made it plashed here.

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Speaker 1: That is the sort of million dollar question everyone's trying

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Speaker 1: to figure out in quarterback evaluations. How do you separate

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Speaker 1: what the quarterbacks doing from what the offense and the

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Speaker 1: town around him is doing. And it's very easy to

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Speaker 1: hit guys who are wide open. A lot of quarterbacks

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Speaker 1: can do that with wide open pockets with three feet

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Speaker 1: in every direction to work with. But it's what can

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Speaker 1: you do to go above and beyond that? And I

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Speaker 1: think we almost underrated, or a lot of people underrated

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Speaker 1: the fact that mac Jones was kind of he was

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Speaker 1: creating some of that space at his own. He would

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Speaker 1: look off linebackers, he would hold safeties, he would do

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Speaker 1: the things that it's difficult to sort of quantify. And

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Speaker 1: you see a guy running wide open, sometimes that's on

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Speaker 1: the quarterback for like I said, holding a safety or

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Speaker 1: getting this creating the space himself. And mac Jones did

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Speaker 1: that better than any other quarterback in class last year,

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Speaker 1: maybe even if not Trevor Lawrence right up there with him.

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Speaker 1: So I think that did get underrated, and you're seeing

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Speaker 1: that in the preseason now. If the draft were held today,

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Speaker 1: the first quarterback taken absolutely positively, no doubt is there's

780
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Speaker 1: no Trevor Lawrence in this year's class. But to me,

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Speaker 1: it's Spencer Rattler, the Oklahoma quarterback. Obviously, Lincoln Riley develops

782
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:15,640
Speaker 1: quarterbacks there as good as anyone else in the country,

783
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Speaker 1: and his talent is just off the charts and just

784
00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:20,520
Speaker 1: what he can do, not only physically with his legs

785
00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:23,439
Speaker 1: as a runner, but just outside the pocket arm talent.

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Speaker 1: He kind of takes that sort of playmaking ability that

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00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:30,200
Speaker 1: everyone's looking for, that out of structure stuff that Mahomes

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00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:32,360
Speaker 1: is known for, that Aaron Rodgers is known for. He

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Speaker 1: takes that to the extreme. He was the highest grade

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Speaker 1: quarterback by US here a FFF outside the pocket last year,

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Speaker 1: he's looking to do that almost first. He is kind

792
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Speaker 1: of the definition of a gen Z quarterback where the

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00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:44,960
Speaker 1: attach SPAN's not there. He wants to break the pocket,

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Speaker 1: he wants to just start making plays, and he consistently

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Speaker 1: does it in that Oklahoma offense. Yeah, but he got

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Speaker 1: bench last year. I watched him when he started and

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00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:57,120
Speaker 1: I was like, as I remember watching him in high

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00:39:57,120 --> 00:40:00,799
Speaker 1: school because he had Nico Mannion, the basketball player I

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00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:03,160
Speaker 1: think was on his high school football team, like they

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00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:06,400
Speaker 1: He was like, Wow, this guy is awesome. And then

801
00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:09,120
Speaker 1: he goes to Oklahoma and I'm thinking he ain't awesome.

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00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:12,719
Speaker 1: He became better, a lot better last year. But see,

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Speaker 1: that's just it. I gets. It's rolling the dice. If

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Speaker 1: if you would have said at the beginning of last

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Speaker 1: year that guy is going to be the first quarterback,

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Speaker 1: take and I would have went, I've got talent. I

807
00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:25,319
Speaker 1: don't know if he's going to be consistent enough. That's

808
00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:28,200
Speaker 1: the thing. It's at this point. These guys aren't to

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Speaker 1: the level of Trevor Lawrence. They're not for the level

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Speaker 1: of even Justin Fields to us coming into his last

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Speaker 1: year of college. But the talent is there, and that's

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Speaker 1: kind of what you're based off of. It's the things

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Speaker 1: that he's kind of doing and excelling at you can't

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Speaker 1: really teach, and the sort of inside the pock gets

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Speaker 1: staying within structure, you can develop that more. You can't

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Speaker 1: develop a guy to throw at fifty yards on a

817
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Speaker 1: dime running to his right, which we've seen Ratled do

818
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Speaker 1: multiple times. Okay, So Spencer Rattler out of Oklahoma. The

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Speaker 1: second quarterback off the board if the draft were today,

820
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Speaker 1: would be Sam Hall North Carolina. Another guy who's very talented.

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Speaker 1: I mean he might have the strong's arm in the country.

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Speaker 1: Him or maliek Cools from Liberty right up there. They

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Speaker 1: both have throws in their tape that are, you know,

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Speaker 1: sixty plus yards and not super skyballs. He's throwing it

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00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:19,680
Speaker 1: on the line almost physically looks like Baker Mayfield's just

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Speaker 1: a shade over six foot about two fifteen. Can make

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Speaker 1: some plays as a runner. But that North Carolina offense,

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Speaker 1: why we're not kind of putting them in that. You know,

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Speaker 1: that conversation of Trevor Lawrence like a surefire lock. Number

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Speaker 1: one is that threw more RPOs than anyone else in

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Speaker 1: the country. Last year. He threw more goal balls, sayone

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Speaker 1: else the country and not that not saying that he

833
00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:41,160
Speaker 1: won't have to do those at the NFL level, but

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Speaker 1: those are one read basically not having to do quarterback

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Speaker 1: e things. It's just armed talent at that point. So

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Speaker 1: the armed talent's there, physical tools are there to end

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Speaker 1: up as an one overall pick. It's just we need

838
00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:55,640
Speaker 1: to see him actually operating offense there at North Carolina

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Speaker 1: more all right, the third quarterback off the board is

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Speaker 1: Here's it gets a little Harry. I think those two

841
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Speaker 1: are the top two. Clearly the guy I like as

842
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:06,239
Speaker 1: a third quarterback off the board as the Kaya guy

843
00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:10,640
Speaker 1: touched on just there. Malik Willison Liberty. Trey Lance goes

844
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Speaker 1: number three overall this past year basically based off of

845
00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:17,080
Speaker 1: what he can do physically, not much sort of polished

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00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:20,040
Speaker 1: as a quarterback, not much sort of even experience as

847
00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:22,520
Speaker 1: a quarterback Trey Lance. That's kind of Malik Willis at Liberty.

848
00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:24,759
Speaker 1: He was a former Auburn guy lost out to Bone Nicks,

849
00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:27,080
Speaker 1: but he said might have the strongest arm in the

850
00:42:27,080 --> 00:42:29,239
Speaker 1: country and is the best runner in the country. He

851
00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:31,879
Speaker 1: had over a thousand yards rushing last year. Is six

852
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:34,640
Speaker 1: foot two, twenty five and runs a four to five like.

853
00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:37,239
Speaker 1: He had more broken tackles than a lot of the

854
00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:39,759
Speaker 1: running backs drafted last year. This guy could be a

855
00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:41,759
Speaker 1: running back in the NFL if he wanted to, would

856
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:44,200
Speaker 1: be a probably third fourth rounder if you just wanted

857
00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:45,839
Speaker 1: to play that. And that's going to play so much

858
00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:48,279
Speaker 1: and has been playing so much with guys like Kylin Murray,

859
00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:51,480
Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson, how it impacts defenses. So I do think

860
00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:54,160
Speaker 1: that even if Malik Willis doesn't necessarily develop too much

861
00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:56,200
Speaker 1: as a passer, just what he can do from a

862
00:42:56,280 --> 00:42:58,720
Speaker 1: rushing perspective is going to show him get him drafted

863
00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:01,520
Speaker 1: highly him. He's Mike running the Pro Football Focus lead

864
00:43:01,600 --> 00:43:04,799
Speaker 1: draft to analyst. Let me throw out a couple other names. JT.

865
00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:10,839
Speaker 1: Daniels at Georgia high on him. Not yet. You will

866
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:13,400
Speaker 1: go back and watch the Cincinnati and so he comes

867
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:16,480
Speaker 1: in end of last year. I think he played five games.

868
00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:20,000
Speaker 1: I want to say the first few electric I mean,

869
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:21,880
Speaker 1: he's bombing it down the football field. But then you

870
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:23,719
Speaker 1: watch him go up against a good defense, so he

871
00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:25,760
Speaker 1: didn't actually face any of the top sort of competition

872
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:27,239
Speaker 1: in the SEC. When he does come and he plays

873
00:43:27,239 --> 00:43:30,319
Speaker 1: a good defense in Cincinnati and basically he doesn't know

874
00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:32,440
Speaker 1: when to stop taking chances with the football head. One

875
00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:35,800
Speaker 1: of the highest average depths of target of any quarterback

876
00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:37,880
Speaker 1: in college football last year, over twelve yards down the

877
00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:40,640
Speaker 1: football field. He's just throwing almost willy nilly, and you

878
00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:43,000
Speaker 1: see that in the bowl game where he's just taken

879
00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:46,360
Speaker 1: all these bad chances and necessarily not really reading the

880
00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:49,279
Speaker 1: defenses first. So still too early, i'd say for him,

881
00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:51,400
Speaker 1: but he was the He was QB three in that

882
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:53,719
Speaker 1: class behind Trevor Lawrence and just Fields coming out of

883
00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:57,080
Speaker 1: high school. Obviously a massively talented dude. But we just

884
00:43:57,200 --> 00:44:00,279
Speaker 1: need to see him more consistent quarterback this year. On

885
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:03,279
Speaker 1: Slovis at USC, I don't think he does a great arm,

886
00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:05,880
Speaker 1: but I think he's really accurate. I don't know, and

887
00:44:06,040 --> 00:44:08,279
Speaker 1: he's got good size. I think six two sixty three.

888
00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:11,040
Speaker 1: What do you think of Slovis? Yeah, he's the guy

889
00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:13,760
Speaker 1: that needs that Mac Jones sort of leap to basically

890
00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:16,200
Speaker 1: playing perfect football because no one's going to draft him

891
00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:18,880
Speaker 1: first overall based off of what he brings the table physically,

892
00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:22,000
Speaker 1: and he's at the arm is not great, but you know,

893
00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:24,360
Speaker 1: Joe Burrow's arm wasn't great, and you went number one overall.

894
00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:26,719
Speaker 1: But what it is not great. You have to play flawless,

895
00:44:26,719 --> 00:44:28,920
Speaker 1: you have to not make mistakes with the football, and

896
00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:31,520
Speaker 1: I think that's what Slovis has just done too much

897
00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:33,959
Speaker 1: of at this point. Throw the ball the other teams

898
00:44:34,080 --> 00:44:37,879
Speaker 1: basically missing linebackers, missing reads and that sort of thing

899
00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:41,600
Speaker 1: that you can't do. But he does have the sort

900
00:44:41,640 --> 00:44:43,560
Speaker 1: of the processing ability. You see him get to his

901
00:44:43,640 --> 00:44:46,520
Speaker 1: checkdowns quickly. You see him get your second reads very quickly.

902
00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:49,279
Speaker 1: He has that ability, but just too many sort of

903
00:44:49,560 --> 00:44:52,879
Speaker 1: bone headed plays so far. I know Carson Strong at

904
00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:56,080
Speaker 1: Nevada that he lives up to his name. You know,

905
00:44:56,120 --> 00:44:59,719
Speaker 1: he's a big kid, but he's at Nevada. How did

906
00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:02,640
Speaker 1: some but those maybe a first round draft pick end

907
00:45:02,719 --> 00:45:06,359
Speaker 1: up at Nevada. I actually haven't looked too much into

908
00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:09,560
Speaker 1: his quarter background why he ended up there, but it

909
00:45:09,719 --> 00:45:12,440
Speaker 1: is surprising because not only is he, you know, playing

910
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:15,160
Speaker 1: good football's quarterback position, he's got a cannon and he's

911
00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:18,640
Speaker 1: got a very esthetically pleasing release. It's like kind of

912
00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:20,920
Speaker 1: like Aaron Rodgers release, where it's just like it's quick,

913
00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:23,359
Speaker 1: it looks like the way a football should be thrown.

914
00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:26,719
Speaker 1: That's Carson Strong and so I think he could end

915
00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:30,359
Speaker 1: up in that first round conversation. Obviously played exceptionally well

916
00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:32,279
Speaker 1: last year. Has a pretty good wide receiver out there

917
00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:34,040
Speaker 1: in Romeo Dubs who could be in the first Strong

918
00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:38,080
Speaker 1: conversation as well. That he's gonna play some real build

919
00:45:38,080 --> 00:45:40,920
Speaker 1: competition this year. I believe he plays Boys State early on,

920
00:45:41,239 --> 00:45:44,960
Speaker 1: plays ca Yeah, plays some play some actual you know,

921
00:45:45,160 --> 00:45:48,040
Speaker 1: D one competition after not playing any excuse the Power

922
00:45:48,080 --> 00:45:51,360
Speaker 1: five competition after not playing any last year. But Carson Strong,

923
00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:53,680
Speaker 1: I think he had the most completions of anyone, and

924
00:45:53,760 --> 00:45:56,440
Speaker 1: by far that came fifty plus yards down field last

925
00:45:56,480 --> 00:45:59,200
Speaker 1: year and had the farthest throw in the country from

926
00:45:59,560 --> 00:46:01,920
Speaker 1: start to finished seventy yards from his hand to wear

927
00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:03,839
Speaker 1: the ball ended up of any quarterback in the country

928
00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:06,239
Speaker 1: last year. I'll throw out another one. It's only because

929
00:46:06,239 --> 00:46:11,080
Speaker 1: the scalp told me about him. Kenny Pickett at Pittsburgh.

930
00:46:11,160 --> 00:46:13,879
Speaker 1: Kenny Pickett, he's got. So there's a lot of guys

931
00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:15,680
Speaker 1: with cannons in this draft last I'm not a guy,

932
00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:17,680
Speaker 1: and a lot of guys who are polished. Though he

933
00:46:17,840 --> 00:46:20,120
Speaker 1: is all over the place with his accuracy so far,

934
00:46:20,239 --> 00:46:23,520
Speaker 1: like he'll have throws that are just I mean gorgeous,

935
00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:25,400
Speaker 1: gorgeous throws here reminds me a lot of the guy

936
00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:28,040
Speaker 1: who might be starting for the Culture, Jacob Eason back

937
00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:30,360
Speaker 1: at Washington, where it's just like man, that is forty

938
00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:33,560
Speaker 1: yard laser post and then the next one is a

939
00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:35,960
Speaker 1: bubble screen that's sailed over a guy's head. So pick

940
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:39,320
Speaker 1: it has the physical ability, but man, he is accuracy

941
00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:42,560
Speaker 1: issues for days. You got some good games coming up

942
00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:45,160
Speaker 1: this weekend. Will we see a surprise in college football?

943
00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:49,000
Speaker 1: I mean you would definitely see a surprise. If you're

944
00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:50,799
Speaker 1: asking me to predict a surprise, that is not my

945
00:46:50,840 --> 00:46:54,359
Speaker 1: forte I am. I am not the best prognosticator, but

946
00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:58,120
Speaker 1: my upset pick if there is any upset pick, I

947
00:46:58,160 --> 00:47:02,160
Speaker 1: think Georgia comes out. Georgia's one of my national championship picks.

948
00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:04,200
Speaker 1: I think they come out and put it to Clemson

949
00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:07,840
Speaker 1: because this is the most talented defense in the country

950
00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:10,839
Speaker 1: right now. And yeah, Clemson's ranked three, Georgia's ranked five.

951
00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:13,440
Speaker 1: But I think on a neutral field, give me Georgia

952
00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:15,560
Speaker 1: and that one. Mike, good to talk to you. We'll

953
00:47:15,600 --> 00:47:17,520
Speaker 1: be talking to you during the season. Thank you very

954
00:47:17,600 --> 00:47:19,719
Speaker 1: much for sure. Thanks for having me on Dan. I

955
00:47:19,719 --> 00:47:22,520
Speaker 1: have a good that's Mike Renner, prop Football Focus lead

956
00:47:22,560 --> 00:47:24,920
Speaker 1: draft analysts. I will say that Mike does make me

957
00:47:24,920 --> 00:47:29,080
Speaker 1: feel better about my questions when I go, who's your

958
00:47:29,320 --> 00:47:34,440
Speaker 1: upset special this weekend? Like he gives a great thought.

959
00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:38,560
Speaker 1: I appreciate that. By the way, as strange as this

960
00:47:38,680 --> 00:47:40,880
Speaker 1: is going to sound, of all the games this weekend,

961
00:47:41,160 --> 00:47:48,040
Speaker 1: and you got Penn State, Wisconsin, you got Alabama, Miami, Indiana, Iowa, Georgia, Clemson,

962
00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:59,880
Speaker 1: Ohio State plays Minnesota Thursday night. I'm interested in Louisiana

963
00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:08,440
Speaker 1: versus Texas. Good call. I'm really interested in Louisiana, not LSU.

964
00:48:09,680 --> 00:48:15,520
Speaker 1: LSU's got Ucla, but Louisiana against Texas because the clock

965
00:48:15,640 --> 00:48:19,200
Speaker 1: starts chicking on Steve Sarksian, He's got a three year

966
00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:24,360
Speaker 1: window here at Texas. Louisiana is a top twenty five team. Yeah. Point,

967
00:48:25,160 --> 00:48:29,920
Speaker 1: your raging cages are getting eight points from Texas entertainment

968
00:48:29,960 --> 00:48:34,160
Speaker 1: purposes only money line. Yeah, it's tricky when you're trying

969
00:48:34,200 --> 00:48:36,840
Speaker 1: to handicap these quarterbacks. Because of all those quarterbacks that

970
00:48:36,920 --> 00:48:39,960
Speaker 1: we mentioned, there will probably be another quarterback that comes

971
00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:43,640
Speaker 1: out of nowhere and you'll go, wait, where did he

972
00:48:43,680 --> 00:48:47,320
Speaker 1: come from? How long? Has he been a starter, Because

973
00:48:47,360 --> 00:48:50,920
Speaker 1: if you said to me, Zach Wilson at the beginning

974
00:48:50,920 --> 00:48:53,759
Speaker 1: of the year, a year ago, he's gonna go number

975
00:48:53,760 --> 00:49:01,800
Speaker 1: two overall, I go, Okay, I didn't see enough enough consistency.

976
00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:04,759
Speaker 1: I knew he was highly thought of, but then all

977
00:49:04,760 --> 00:49:07,440
Speaker 1: of a sudden, you know, we didn't even know if

978
00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:10,279
Speaker 1: he's gonna start or not. At b YU. Yeah, mclub, Yeah,

979
00:49:10,360 --> 00:49:13,520
Speaker 1: threw eleven touchdowns and nine picks as a sophomore at BYU.

980
00:49:13,920 --> 00:49:15,400
Speaker 1: I don't believe he was on it. How could he

981
00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:17,560
Speaker 1: be on any with radar with those numbers, don't I

982
00:49:17,600 --> 00:49:19,759
Speaker 1: don't know. Mike's like, yeah, he was on our radar.

983
00:49:19,800 --> 00:49:23,080
Speaker 1: I'm like, well, I think you have to say that. Yeah,

984
00:49:23,160 --> 00:49:26,560
Speaker 1: we knew about him. Yeah. It's like Ben Volland covers

985
00:49:26,600 --> 00:49:30,120
Speaker 1: the Patriots for the Boston Globe, and he said what

986
00:49:30,680 --> 00:49:35,279
Speaker 1: ninety nine percent of us probably thought but didn't say

987
00:49:35,360 --> 00:49:37,959
Speaker 1: or wouldn't say, and that is I thought that Cam

988
00:49:37,960 --> 00:49:40,719
Speaker 1: Newton was going to be the starter. He covers the Patriots.

989
00:49:40,880 --> 00:49:42,759
Speaker 1: So when all these analysts go, yeah, but I could

990
00:49:42,760 --> 00:49:47,840
Speaker 1: see this one coming. No, no, no, you didn't, or

991
00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:51,600
Speaker 1: you would have said. Tom Curran came out and he

992
00:49:51,719 --> 00:49:55,799
Speaker 1: said here, this is a no brainer. He should be

993
00:49:56,160 --> 00:49:59,439
Speaker 1: don't be surprised. But he didn't know, and nobody knew

994
00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:03,600
Speaker 1: Cam Newton is going to be released. But when when

995
00:50:03,640 --> 00:50:07,480
Speaker 1: you say, yeah, that guy hebe was on our radar,

996
00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:13,920
Speaker 1: all right, Mac mac jones was on your radar. I

997
00:50:13,960 --> 00:50:17,000
Speaker 1: don't know. Yeah, Paul, I'm hearing that mcloven has a

998
00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:20,279
Speaker 1: college quarterback crush, a guy who thinks is a nobody

999
00:50:20,640 --> 00:50:23,440
Speaker 1: who will be a somebody in four months. Well, the

1000
00:50:23,440 --> 00:50:26,000
Speaker 1: I team is hearing rumbling, no, no, no no, act. Yeah,

1001
00:50:26,040 --> 00:50:29,440
Speaker 1: I want to bet, Paul, I want a quarterback. Bet Okay,

1002
00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:34,200
Speaker 1: I will give him PFF's number two quarterbacks. Sam Howell,

1003
00:50:34,200 --> 00:50:37,560
Speaker 1: how about we take a break? Okay, all right, yes,

1004
00:50:37,719 --> 00:50:40,520
Speaker 1: take a break. We have to find out what's at stake,

1005
00:50:40,600 --> 00:50:43,239
Speaker 1: because we just don't make bets on this show. There's

1006
00:50:43,280 --> 00:50:49,960
Speaker 1: always there's always repercussions, injury, embarrassment, humiliation, or apply to

1007
00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:50,319
Speaker 1: the face.