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Speaker 1: What if I told you there was more to the

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Speaker 1: story behind game changing events. Get ready for my new podcast,

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Speaker 1: That Moment with Damon John will jump into the personal

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Speaker 1: stories of some of the most influential people on the planet,

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Speaker 1: from business mobiles and celebrities to athletes and artists. Today

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Speaker 1: is a very special guest that most people don't know

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Speaker 1: and very near and dear to me. So you know,

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Speaker 1: I've been in the public light for on Shark Tank

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Speaker 1: fifteen sixteen, gonna be sixteen years in a minute. Prior

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Speaker 1: to that, I had basically around I don't know, I

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Speaker 1: think a fifteen year run for probably about ten year

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Speaker 1: run in the public right, so twenty five years, and

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Speaker 1: I'm in a lot of interviews, a lot of things,

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Speaker 1: and I say things that sometimes I don't recall accurately,

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Speaker 1: very honest on my football partners were like, no, I

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Speaker 1: was here then, and that was Key that was called

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Speaker 1: and called it? Well that was Jay or that wasn't me?

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Speaker 1: Well who was that? I'm not sure who that was?

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Speaker 1: But you know, you kind of get out of there.

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Speaker 1: You know, you've been telling your story for so many years,

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Speaker 1: and every one of us has ten stories, ten books.

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Speaker 1: Depends on the angle that we're talking about it, you

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Speaker 1: tell your story, you kind of get into this repetition

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Speaker 1: of selling it in certain ways. But sometimes I have

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Speaker 1: to fact check. And when I have to fact check,

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Speaker 1: I call a couple of individuals, especially ones who I

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Speaker 1: want to go deep, like when I was ten or

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Speaker 1: twelve whatever, and I call this man his name is

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Speaker 1: we call him Cat right as you see, he speaks

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Speaker 1: a lot and the man a few words, and I

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Speaker 1: call him because he remembers a very certain time of

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Speaker 1: my life, probably about when I was about twenty years

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Speaker 1: and younger, between ten and twenty. I call you for

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Speaker 1: but to you know, recap when out of ten and twenty.

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Speaker 1: And the reason he has these memories of those particular

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Speaker 1: time is because an event happened in his life where

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Speaker 1: he was Cat was incarcerated. When we were how.

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Speaker 2: Old I was twenty four years sweet three.

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Speaker 1: Twenty three. I remember I stood on the corner selling

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Speaker 1: Foobo at the first time in nineteen eighty nine, which

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Speaker 1: could have made me twenty y. That was the first

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Speaker 1: time I was selling it brand first time. Now I

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Speaker 1: failed three times eighty nineteen ninety two, so you were

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Speaker 1: twenty three. That was around what year was it that

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Speaker 1: you went away ninety two. So let me tell you

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Speaker 1: the story about Kat. If you ever looked at the

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Speaker 1: movie Belly, who played your brother.

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Speaker 2: I'm not sure it's exactly him, but I know Alfred.

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Speaker 1: Well Albert was Dmax and your brother was the the

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Speaker 1: It was about who the guy was anyway, But basically,

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Speaker 1: we have a friend who I always talk about ended

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Speaker 1: up the movie. Hype Williams created the movie Belly. DMX

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Speaker 1: played the character. And while many of our friends in

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Speaker 1: the neighborhood, they were going out and doing what they

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Speaker 1: felt they needed to do at the time, Cat and

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Speaker 1: nine we'd stand on the corner, was standing in the

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Speaker 1: corner and we were sitting something called the flow can.

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Speaker 1: It was. It was a big garbage can, and we'd

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Speaker 1: talk about our hopes and dreams and aspirations. Cat was

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Speaker 1: going to Golden Gloves. You were fighting at the time. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: you were fighting at the time. And you know I

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Speaker 1: still in that corner. Remember I was twenty right around

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Speaker 1: twenty three. I remember telling me the soil the other day,

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Speaker 1: when was the last two times you saw me? And

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Speaker 1: then when you came home. And by the way, he

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Speaker 1: went to jail for a crime. He didn't commit. You

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Speaker 1: were when they picked you up, you were supposed to

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Speaker 1: do how much time in jail? You will? You were?

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Speaker 1: You will put in for how much time?

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Speaker 2: For fourteen years?

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Speaker 1: Fourteen years?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: How many years did you serve?

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Speaker 2: Eight? Eight eight?

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Speaker 1: They go, oh my bad, you can go home. That

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Speaker 1: wasn't that easy. No, we can get into that later.

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Speaker 1: This is probably gonna be a three part series. You

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Speaker 1: then what happened and he's talking about me last two

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Speaker 1: then how when you saw me coming home? What had

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Speaker 2: Okay, this is what happened. Is you was driving the van,

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Speaker 1: Driving the van in Queens where you go down the

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Speaker 1: hop off, people go down the bus routes for them, right,

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Speaker 1: so hopefully you get a good run. That's maybe an

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and when I seen you, well, what was going

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Speaker 1: By the way, these tickets were three thousand dollars.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Why if you really think about where we were violating

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Speaker 1: an intellectual property. The bus route is owned by the city.

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Speaker 1: The city is created and paid a lot of money

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Speaker 1: to operate those buses. We're going up against the bus

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Speaker 1: the city and they have the ability to enforce it

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Speaker 1: by the Taxi and Limousine Commission in New York City.

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Speaker 1: They were giving us every time they would stop us

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Speaker 1: if they caught us picking up pastors in their route,

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Speaker 1: which is selling an intellectual property three thousand dollars ticket.

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Speaker 1: So I can work for approximately two weeks and get

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Speaker 1: one ticket and it's gone.

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Speaker 2: And this is what happened. Well, you had told me

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Speaker 2: that the tickets was getting so expensive because you had

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Speaker 2: got caught like for nine hundred dollars a week before

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Speaker 2: and seven hundred that week, and it was getting so

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Speaker 2: back at Red Luster waiting tables again, right, more than

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Speaker 2: And then could be probably about two weeks later, I

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Speaker 1: Up public on public city bus called the Q three.

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Speaker 2: Q three going in the opposite direction, and going opposite direction,

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Speaker 2: you going to Green Acres.

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Speaker 1: I was going out, going to Green Ache. I was

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Speaker 2: And when I seen you, when I seen you, you

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Speaker 2: times like, oh shit, you went back, and he was like,

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Speaker 1: So I had my uniform on the bus, had a

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Speaker 2: Like I said, you you going back, And he was like,

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Speaker 1: People are like, what do you mean he went to

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Speaker 1: happened was there was a robbery of people and there

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Speaker 1: was a home invasion in the neighborhood very close to us,

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Speaker 1: a white neighborhood. Yeah, and you know when in our neighborhood,

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Speaker 1: when there's an as Dave Chappelle would say, there was

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Speaker 1: And uh Cat fit that subscription. You know, he just

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Speaker 1: come and they pick you up over a street or not.

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Speaker 2: But what happened is they one day, I want to

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Speaker 1: No way, Knowleon Cat a guy in the neighborhood.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, anyway, this fat guy from the neighborhood, right,

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Speaker 2: he asked me, did I want to take a ride

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Speaker 2: with him? But you said, talk to you, so you

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Speaker 2: do know I'm telling you about So I asked me

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Speaker 2: So I was like, hey, okay, and I got in

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Speaker 2: but you know that's normally you know, the and they

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Speaker 2: it was about twelve cars all around us and all so, oh,

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Speaker 2: get it, I'll get I'll get there. And they arrested

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Speaker 2: us to considered precinct. But then say, about an hour later,

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Speaker 1: Let him, they let him.

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Speaker 2: Go, and uh, oh, your friend's gonna stay because he

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Speaker 2: messed a description of somebody who did a robbery, right,

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Speaker 2: And they said I was gonna have to stand through

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Speaker 2: I haven't been yet to uh be picked out of

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Speaker 1: Out later on. That would be that would be that

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Speaker 1: who picked up the case?

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Speaker 2: Oh what happened is uh? I don't think there was

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Speaker 2: or William Hellestain, who who deals in audition different controversial

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Speaker 2: like that, a name similar to that, and I wrote

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Speaker 2: a whole bunch of different places. I wrote him, and

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Speaker 2: he got my letter and he said it sounded interesting.

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Speaker 2: He wanted to look you wanted to look into it.

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Speaker 1: And so he fought for you. Only want to make

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Speaker 1: sure that by the time we're finish it, that we

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Speaker 1: do talk more about the people that fight brothers than

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Speaker 1: the people who have different issues going on in life

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Speaker 1: that they want to they want to bring people down.

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Speaker 1: I don't think we're going to get anything. There's no

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Speaker 1: advantage of talking about those people, uh huh, And don't

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Speaker 1: give them the satisfaction. Right, So you get you go,

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Speaker 1: you go to jail. We're going to get back to

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Speaker 1: that at another period of time. Supposed to serve fourteen years,

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Speaker 1: they let you out after eight, going, okay, it's been

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Speaker 1: proven that you were not the person. There's a lot

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Speaker 1: of other things to go through that Now, the last

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Speaker 1: time you saw me, I was on a bus like this, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it locks a uniform on.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: What happens after that when you come now? Now, what

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Speaker 1: but you saw me on TV? Or what did you see?

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Speaker 1: Because TV wasn't we were on TV in a sense

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Speaker 1: of maybe you'll see me in a rap video. But

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure what you had exposure to. Where where

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Speaker 1: did you serve your time at?

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Speaker 2: I never even asked you a certain my time And

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Speaker 2: I started off in the Almira. I stayed there for

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Speaker 2: just a couple.

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Speaker 1: Of Molmyra, New York. All New York, that's right, it's

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Speaker 1: a local crime.

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Speaker 2: Why the reason why? Because my thinking was just spirally,

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Speaker 2: make sense to me. But then at the same time

438
00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:02,280
Speaker 2: they tell me that I have the right for a pill, right,

439
00:22:02,840 --> 00:22:05,640
Speaker 2: and they don't tell you how to do the pill.

440
00:22:05,800 --> 00:22:09,200
Speaker 2: And then there's people in there trying to uh, I'm

441
00:22:09,280 --> 00:22:10,920
Speaker 2: used word ex store, but I'm just saying so like

442
00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:15,320
Speaker 2: trying to force out you. They're trying to extort you

443
00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:18,480
Speaker 2: for their so called knowledge because they've been in a library.

444
00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:20,840
Speaker 2: They want them ja house lawyers or something like that.

445
00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:22,400
Speaker 1: You the other.

446
00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:27,320
Speaker 2: Inmate, They oh, I know how to do a four forty,

447
00:22:27,359 --> 00:22:28,919
Speaker 2: and I know how to do this and that da

448
00:22:29,760 --> 00:22:35,400
Speaker 2: and you and the worst mental state in your life.

449
00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:38,840
Speaker 2: But you gotta be doe to the the sharpest thing

450
00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:40,840
Speaker 2: in life to learn the low and be able to

451
00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:42,560
Speaker 2: do all that stuff like that. And it was just

452
00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:45,640
Speaker 2: like a whole bunch of pressure, whole whole whole bunch

453
00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:49,880
Speaker 2: of pressure on top of you know, ship I never

454
00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:54,359
Speaker 2: did good in school anyway, and breakfast, how am I

455
00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:55,160
Speaker 2: gonna understand?

456
00:22:56,720 --> 00:22:56,800
Speaker 1: How?

457
00:22:57,080 --> 00:22:57,240
Speaker 2: Yeah?

458
00:22:57,280 --> 00:22:57,640
Speaker 3: How much?

459
00:22:57,760 --> 00:23:00,679
Speaker 1: Somebody sorry?

460
00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:04,439
Speaker 2: Yeah? So it was it was, it was, it was

461
00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:08,520
Speaker 2: nerve racked, it was it was you know, and as

462
00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:12,719
Speaker 2: time went on, Uh, in Poughkeepsie, New York, it was

463
00:23:13,280 --> 00:23:16,840
Speaker 2: it was the very first black serial killer. His name

464
00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:20,440
Speaker 2: is Nick Daniel White, right, And I didn't notice at

465
00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:25,000
Speaker 2: the time, but I met him, uh, and he was

466
00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:28,040
Speaker 2: the only one in jail talking with any sense.

467
00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:29,600
Speaker 1: Oh the serial killer?

468
00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:32,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, what is his name is Nick Danyl White?

469
00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:35,639
Speaker 2: That time went on, come not find out he was

470
00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:37,800
Speaker 2: in jail because he supposed to had raped and killed

471
00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:41,280
Speaker 2: about five girls up there in Poughkeepsie, New York. Right,

472
00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:45,239
Speaker 2: But he was the only one in jail that was

473
00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:48,879
Speaker 2: talking with some sense. Everybody else is on with this

474
00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:51,160
Speaker 2: little crew or they waiting, we'll get the next weed

475
00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:53,440
Speaker 2: into jail. Who get the next dope in the jail.

476
00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:56,560
Speaker 2: That's that's what they was like. It's like they was

477
00:23:56,600 --> 00:23:59,480
Speaker 2: on the streets and that's all they cared about. This

478
00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:03,680
Speaker 2: guy start talking to me about the law and and

479
00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:05,840
Speaker 2: and he was the only one that making said, yo,

480
00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:08,960
Speaker 2: you need to be drop a low library slipping all

481
00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:10,800
Speaker 2: and stuff like that. So he started talking to me

482
00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:15,639
Speaker 2: about how to file as being an indigent person, to

483
00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:17,600
Speaker 2: be able to get a lawyer, being your lawyer from

484
00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:21,199
Speaker 2: the state, and how to go about asking him for

485
00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:24,840
Speaker 2: the lawyer and the appeal. So I started getting to

486
00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:28,160
Speaker 2: know him and I'm getting on him and he's shown

487
00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:34,080
Speaker 2: me somef about the law library. But then people around me. Yo,

488
00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:39,000
Speaker 2: they told somebody I knew, Yo, the man can't be

489
00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:41,040
Speaker 2: talking to no tree jumpers. I didn't know what they're

490
00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:43,040
Speaker 2: talking about. A man can't be fucked with no tree jumper.

491
00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:43,919
Speaker 1: What's the street jumper?

492
00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:47,960
Speaker 2: Tree jumper is a rapist? Yeah right, okay, Yo, your

493
00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:48,720
Speaker 2: man can't be.

494
00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:55,399
Speaker 1: Right because of the system. I have been told that

495
00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:59,399
Speaker 1: pedophilers and rapists are the lowest of the low. I mean,

496
00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:01,360
Speaker 1: they're the lowest the load to me a period.

497
00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:06,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what they say, right, And I'm here, I'm

498
00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:10,080
Speaker 2: stressed out. Anybody that's supposedly no law is trying to

499
00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:14,159
Speaker 2: rob me, you know, for the uh, for some money.

500
00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:16,639
Speaker 2: But this this guy right here is teaching me a

501
00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:19,000
Speaker 2: law and show me a law, and they have a

502
00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:24,119
Speaker 2: problem with it. I said, okay, well, I mean, but

503
00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:27,359
Speaker 2: this is like I said, and he stressed. I was

504
00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:32,320
Speaker 2: just saying to myself, well, me talking to this guy

505
00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:36,600
Speaker 2: and them having a problem with it, it's the only

506
00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:38,440
Speaker 2: way in me getting back out to the street. Well,

507
00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:44,040
Speaker 2: if somebody do have a problem with me, uh, they

508
00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:47,080
Speaker 2: that's gonna be like the first time that I really

509
00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:51,199
Speaker 2: uh uh. They've been calling me a bad guy all

510
00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:55,280
Speaker 2: this time. Wish I wasn't. But that's when they're gonna see.

511
00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:58,879
Speaker 1: Well you already golden globe Boxer wasn't. It wasn't short

512
00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:05,600
Speaker 1: of that. But the conflict I think you had, you know,

513
00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:08,040
Speaker 1: dealing with a bunch of elements, and that you got

514
00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:10,120
Speaker 1: to make the right decision out of the worst possible

515
00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:13,840
Speaker 1: situation that most people whatever, will never face, right and

516
00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:16,480
Speaker 1: you have to make critical decisions in a place where

517
00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:18,639
Speaker 1: his life or death over some of the decisions you're making.

518
00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:21,359
Speaker 1: When you say, and I don't, I want to make

519
00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:23,760
Speaker 1: it very clear for people when you say, if somebody

520
00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:26,320
Speaker 1: and they had a problem with it, it ain't you

521
00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:29,440
Speaker 1: and Starbuck with someone got a problem with you taking

522
00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:34,760
Speaker 1: the wrong order. A problem means what a problem mean

523
00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:35,760
Speaker 1: in jail.

524
00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:38,760
Speaker 2: A problem mean, for instance, they say, if somebody is

525
00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:41,200
Speaker 2: a rapist, they might be out to kill him or

526
00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:43,760
Speaker 2: something like that, So so.

527
00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:45,159
Speaker 1: Me and that you could be hanging out with this

528
00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:50,200
Speaker 1: guy because a problem in jail is you die right.

529
00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:52,479
Speaker 1: Because I don't think that the people in jail are

530
00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:56,840
Speaker 1: walking up to you with casual problems. There's so now

531
00:26:56,880 --> 00:27:02,240
Speaker 1: you now you're risking I know you very well. I

532
00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:06,600
Speaker 1: don't I can see you not having any joy or

533
00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:09,080
Speaker 1: having a disgust of having to not having to work

534
00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:11,200
Speaker 1: with the person. But you are stuck in the situation

535
00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:13,960
Speaker 1: where you're not co signing on what this person is

536
00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:16,080
Speaker 1: horrificly this person has done. But what you're saying is

537
00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:18,639
Speaker 1: that there was some knowledge and information that did not

538
00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:22,240
Speaker 1: did not pertain to what they do. And you know,

539
00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:24,480
Speaker 1: we're in a country today where you're either black or white.

540
00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:27,240
Speaker 1: This one person is right about everything and that other

541
00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:29,920
Speaker 1: person wrong with everything. No, you know, we have parents

542
00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:32,919
Speaker 1: and family who sometimes are most brilliant people ever, but

543
00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:35,320
Speaker 1: they've done some dumb things and you can't couple all

544
00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:37,440
Speaker 1: of it. But to extract the information you needed, you

545
00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:40,480
Speaker 1: you found a way to work with the person. But

546
00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:42,720
Speaker 1: you knew that it was gonna You're gonna potentially risk

547
00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:46,360
Speaker 1: your life, yeah yeah, and or risk somebody else's life

548
00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:48,240
Speaker 1: and then actually be in jail for somebody you did do,

549
00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:50,760
Speaker 1: which is killed somebody or hurt somebody of Maine somebody.

550
00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:53,000
Speaker 1: These are the decisions. So at that moment, you had

551
00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:55,240
Speaker 1: to make a decision. What was the decision and.

552
00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:57,480
Speaker 2: The decision was the decision was this right here.

553
00:27:57,560 --> 00:28:00,159
Speaker 1: I was like, and we're going with us speed up

554
00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:00,680
Speaker 1: in the midau.

555
00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:05,160
Speaker 2: If they think that I'm not gonna take the shot

556
00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:06,959
Speaker 2: at my one shot and getting out of it, I

557
00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:10,000
Speaker 2: just just just kept playing through my mind, like what

558
00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:15,520
Speaker 2: I'm gonna do is when everybody, anybody do do anything

559
00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:18,240
Speaker 2: what I was playing on doing. I was just gonna

560
00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:20,240
Speaker 2: take the I was fighting. I'm gonna take the person.

561
00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:22,000
Speaker 2: I'm gonna catch the side of the neck. I was

562
00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:24,600
Speaker 2: gonna bite it. And I was just gonna eat this

563
00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:25,640
Speaker 2: ship right in front.

564
00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:28,199
Speaker 1: That's gonna do so.

565
00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:32,840
Speaker 2: I mean, so that's what it was. If there was

566
00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:37,560
Speaker 2: a problem. But it was like, I'm like, that was

567
00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:39,320
Speaker 2: my only hope. This guy would show me how to

568
00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:39,959
Speaker 2: do appeal.

569
00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:43,280
Speaker 1: So soon else And you don't want to speak to me,

570
00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:46,880
Speaker 1: you don't want it's just me? Or is everybody now?

571
00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:49,680
Speaker 2: I didn't. I didn't. I didn't a lot. Only when

572
00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:51,600
Speaker 2: I spoke I speak with my mother.

573
00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:54,960
Speaker 1: And is it almost like how when I got so

574
00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:57,880
Speaker 1: focused on the brand or other people got focused on work.

575
00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:01,280
Speaker 1: Even if you're in jail and even a little bit

576
00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:03,080
Speaker 1: of a moment, a glumps you could talk to somebody.

577
00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:04,920
Speaker 1: You're so focused on what you want to do. You

578
00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:06,040
Speaker 1: don't want any distraction.

579
00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:08,680
Speaker 2: Is it talking about me?

580
00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:11,120
Speaker 1: That's why yourself you don't want any distractions.

581
00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:18,640
Speaker 2: No, no, no, no no no. This ship I was, I

582
00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:21,320
Speaker 2: wasn't focused. It's like I was. I was like like

583
00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:23,440
Speaker 2: losing my mind. But what I'm saying is this right

584
00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:26,720
Speaker 2: here is like this right here is all My whole

585
00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:31,560
Speaker 2: life was dedicated to making it in boxing. And you like,

586
00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:37,560
Speaker 2: uh like fintans hit it. You come around in your van. Yo,

587
00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:40,280
Speaker 2: I got like three more laughs ago I'm going around

588
00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:42,120
Speaker 2: the block. I did two year, Ready to come back.

589
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:44,480
Speaker 2: I come sit in the van. I mean you just

590
00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:48,600
Speaker 2: talking about things be just.

591
00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:50,480
Speaker 1: Being better, and I remember you going. I got three

592
00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:52,560
Speaker 1: more times, three more times around the block that you

593
00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:55,560
Speaker 1: were training golden gloves, golden gloves. And then I remember

594
00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:57,080
Speaker 1: you would get out, you you would come in the

595
00:29:57,160 --> 00:29:58,920
Speaker 1: van and sit there. I would need to go to

596
00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:01,200
Speaker 1: work or coming from work something, yeah, and we were

597
00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:02,800
Speaker 1: just sit there talking about what are we going to

598
00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:05,280
Speaker 1: do in life to get to not do what everything

599
00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:06,560
Speaker 1: else is doing to get there.

600
00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:09,920
Speaker 2: And and and just whatever I'm going on time even

601
00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:14,200
Speaker 2: I remember before uh I knew things soned to get

602
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:16,840
Speaker 2: a little better. I remember you did that boat ride

603
00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:19,480
Speaker 2: and you had I think like ron G was like

604
00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:21,560
Speaker 2: the DJ.

605
00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:24,080
Speaker 1: And together side I try to promote the boat rider

606
00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:27,880
Speaker 1: yeah yeah, and then the local DJ yeah, and then

607
00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:29,200
Speaker 1: you you circle line.

608
00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:32,120
Speaker 2: You brought me in on air security shall only like

609
00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:34,640
Speaker 2: one hundred and fifty five poundship. But things were starting

610
00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:37,880
Speaker 2: to change for us, like we're trying to try to

611
00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:44,440
Speaker 2: try so Uh, my whole focus was just to be

612
00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:51,440
Speaker 2: a success. And then when you know the stuff was

613
00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:56,680
Speaker 2: coming together, you I only could ask myself and ask God,

614
00:30:56,760 --> 00:31:00,120
Speaker 2: asked the universe or whatever. It's like like why did

615
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:22,440
Speaker 2: this have to happen to me? M right? And then

616
00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:25,719
Speaker 2: uh it was like this right, this is what. Uh.

617
00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:29,200
Speaker 2: Another way I look at things is there was a

618
00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:35,600
Speaker 2: triangle right on my porch. Uh. I got to be

619
00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:38,800
Speaker 2: good friends with you. I got to be good friends

620
00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:43,200
Speaker 2: of Hype Williams and then that was me and Todd

621
00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:49,600
Speaker 2: was yeah cool. L J was like the on top

622
00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:51,920
Speaker 2: of the trying. Yeah that we like we we we

623
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:53,960
Speaker 2: know we could get it because he said I'm successful.

624
00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:57,160
Speaker 2: We we chased we chased it damn right. So now

625
00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:00,440
Speaker 2: I'm totally taking out of a picture and the other

626
00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:03,920
Speaker 2: two pieces of the triangles just gain his success skin.

627
00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:08,040
Speaker 2: Why the fun did this have to happen? Like why?

628
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:13,080
Speaker 2: And and and and then and Hype's names at the

629
00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:20,880
Speaker 2: bomb of every video, and so I'm like, I'm like,

630
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:26,400
Speaker 2: so I was like, uh, like like like like did

631
00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:29,280
Speaker 2: I do something wrong to somebody? Did I like the

632
00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:32,360
Speaker 2: black cat across in front of me something like that?

633
00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:37,240
Speaker 2: And Hype did like a my Teeth video, Hpe, Hype

634
00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:40,520
Speaker 2: did the Jogicy video. So he was getting with the

635
00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:42,560
Speaker 2: mainstream people and it's going. Then all of a sudden,

636
00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:46,680
Speaker 2: y'all came out with the uh with the limousine thing

637
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:51,000
Speaker 2: but with cool j uh with with the fullwood stuff,

638
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:57,600
Speaker 2: and I'm like, look at this ship and what the

639
00:32:57,640 --> 00:32:59,800
Speaker 2: fuck is this guy doing? And I'm talking about Jake.

640
00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:02,000
Speaker 2: He wasn't somebody home with you on the record? What

641
00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:06,360
Speaker 2: is he doing? The picture? Yeah, like, holy ship?

642
00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:08,560
Speaker 1: Well you were going I had the way that I

643
00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:08,960
Speaker 1: hang out with.

644
00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:12,440
Speaker 2: But I'm saying, I'm saying niggas are substitutes right there

645
00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:17,760
Speaker 2: with the right and and I and and and and

646
00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:19,760
Speaker 2: it was like a curse is on me. And I

647
00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:32,680
Speaker 2: couldn't understand and but and and and and and I

648
00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:35,680
Speaker 2: just couldn't take it because it was like but it

649
00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:37,480
Speaker 2: did have nothing to do with anybody else had to

650
00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:40,400
Speaker 2: do it, like like why like this curse came on me?

651
00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:45,760
Speaker 2: And and every time I, you know, get a chance

652
00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:47,840
Speaker 2: to see the TV, which was all the time I'm

653
00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:52,719
Speaker 2: seeing right, Williams shot this bigger like oly ship. And

654
00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:58,560
Speaker 2: then uh I was trying to ignore you're like your brose.

655
00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:02,200
Speaker 2: I just couldn't take it there and uh I go

656
00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:08,440
Speaker 2: to the library and uh I read the Vibe magazine,

657
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:14,160
Speaker 2: the big magazine, and I'm we're uh uh je morn

658
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:17,520
Speaker 2: He got an an NBA size basketball court in his house.

659
00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:22,399
Speaker 2: And David said, Yo, you know, I'll be riding home

660
00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:25,560
Speaker 2: sometimes I pull up in front of this big house

661
00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:30,440
Speaker 2: and I look at the jury on my hand. I

662
00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:33,240
Speaker 2: look at the house and I gotta like pinch myself

663
00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:34,520
Speaker 2: to see if this is really me.

664
00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:37,200
Speaker 1: That's what that's what you saw me saying the article.

665
00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:41,440
Speaker 2: You said that in the article. But to know the

666
00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:45,880
Speaker 2: guy that was sitting across with me sharing his dreams

667
00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:49,319
Speaker 2: with me. And then not only that, when when when

668
00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:53,040
Speaker 2: uh uh I had to fight out in Chicago, when

669
00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:55,080
Speaker 2: you flew out there to meet me out there. It's

670
00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:58,239
Speaker 2: like it's like I was trying hard to make it

671
00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:00,680
Speaker 2: make a difference. But everything that I had in my

672
00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:02,200
Speaker 2: mind wishing, I'm seeing this having me.

673
00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:04,719
Speaker 1: I went out to fight. I said to all my

674
00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:06,240
Speaker 1: money to go out there to support you.

675
00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:12,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, and so it's like what I was dreaming about myself.

676
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:16,120
Speaker 2: I'm it's like it's like I'm saying, I know what

677
00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:19,160
Speaker 2: it worked for me because I see it working for them. Right.

678
00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:24,040
Speaker 2: And then uh, like I said, even with me trying

679
00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:25,720
Speaker 2: to ignore it, it got to a point where couldn't

680
00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:28,319
Speaker 2: agnore because incident in magazines. Then one day I was

681
00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:33,560
Speaker 2: watching BT Oh we got some celebrity guests. We got

682
00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:36,839
Speaker 2: some celebrity guests. It was and damn it, job woman,

683
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:46,359
Speaker 2: what ship like ship? I was like my head was

684
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:51,680
Speaker 2: just like my hay was just beating my head because

685
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:55,320
Speaker 2: I'm like, I didn't do nothing to nobody, didn't treat.

686
00:35:56,800 --> 00:36:00,120
Speaker 1: Everybody a good period of time. With your brothers, we

687
00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:05,880
Speaker 1: are not laughing at your having with you mano.

688
00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:08,520
Speaker 2: It was like they just kept getting bigger and bigger

689
00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:10,759
Speaker 2: and bigger. But why oh this is going on? My

690
00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:15,440
Speaker 2: appeal got denied denied something else I was trying to

691
00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:17,640
Speaker 2: not so it's like nothing was working.

692
00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:19,879
Speaker 1: And so when is that moment that you said, I'm

693
00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:22,880
Speaker 1: still gonna appeal again because is there is there a

694
00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:27,160
Speaker 1: is there an exhaust statue exhaustion? Yeah, yeah, you can't

695
00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:30,200
Speaker 1: make me legally, can you do? They stop you after

696
00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:32,600
Speaker 1: and say, yeah, you tried everything, because I would assume

697
00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:36,360
Speaker 1: that if that wasn't the case, you could just appeal

698
00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:36,680
Speaker 1: all day.

699
00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:38,840
Speaker 2: Now you you get a chance to go to the

700
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:43,439
Speaker 2: Court of Appeal, and then after you get turned down,

701
00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:45,719
Speaker 2: you got to ask from the judges that's writing their

702
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:49,719
Speaker 2: opinions on your case if you could have the permission

703
00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:54,200
Speaker 2: to appeal their decision. Well, the Pellet Division you go

704
00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:56,360
Speaker 2: through first, and you got to ask them if you

705
00:36:56,360 --> 00:37:01,560
Speaker 2: could have permission the appeal there decision in the court.

706
00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:04,120
Speaker 1: People to understand because I'm learning this too, and this

707
00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:07,440
Speaker 1: is why write I do that that moment that as

708
00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:11,120
Speaker 1: as you're seeing these these images come across right of

709
00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:15,080
Speaker 1: hype and I blowing up and ll is still doing

710
00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:21,520
Speaker 1: his thing right, and you're getting strikes and there strikes

711
00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:26,360
Speaker 1: literally like you're out yeah yeah, you know, or another

712
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:28,920
Speaker 1: strike and not you're out first the first strike. This

713
00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:31,160
Speaker 1: is not a well I'm gonna go back again. You're

714
00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:33,120
Speaker 1: in there for something you didn't do, and you're getting

715
00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:37,000
Speaker 1: strikeouts again. It's almost like it's almost like saying, no,

716
00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:39,480
Speaker 1: you did it. As far as with concern, you did it,

717
00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:42,040
Speaker 1: and I don't care what the course of accidents. You're

718
00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:44,719
Speaker 1: staying here. Yeah, yeah, what happened now?

719
00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:48,840
Speaker 2: And but let's yeah, so when you get to God denied,

720
00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:51,680
Speaker 2: they did not give me permission to go on to

721
00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:54,719
Speaker 2: the next course. So I'm here to do this time

722
00:37:55,360 --> 00:38:01,759
Speaker 2: and I'm I'm fucked up, and uh. Years went by.

723
00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:05,640
Speaker 2: But what happened that changed stuff up a little bit

724
00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:11,600
Speaker 2: was I had had a fight at holy Cross High School.

725
00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:14,440
Speaker 1: It's queens a fight or a boxing.

726
00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:16,600
Speaker 2: A boxing match. I had a boxing match and my

727
00:38:16,719 --> 00:38:20,000
Speaker 2: old trainer, Bob Jackson, you know, he still was in

728
00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:22,400
Speaker 2: the Golden Gloves. He took some fighters, I think the

729
00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:25,759
Speaker 2: year of nineteen eighty four ninety four, he took some

730
00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:30,959
Speaker 2: fighters there, and a guy named Bill Farrells that ran

731
00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:35,600
Speaker 2: the daily news reporter for the Gloves on site. He's

732
00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:38,200
Speaker 2: seen me ask him about the light heavyweight that he

733
00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:40,320
Speaker 2: had that had got fighted a night, you know, a

734
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:44,360
Speaker 2: couple of years ago, and he told him, oh, you know,

735
00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:46,840
Speaker 2: this is what happened. Da da da Daight, Oh that

736
00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:50,960
Speaker 2: sounds bad. But what we do is we have a

737
00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:54,959
Speaker 2: group of lawyers that do per se pro bono work

738
00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:56,759
Speaker 2: every year. Maybe I could get one of them to

739
00:38:56,800 --> 00:39:01,560
Speaker 2: look into the case. And that was the start of

740
00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:07,960
Speaker 2: a new motion being put in. But they that ended

741
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:10,600
Speaker 2: up dragging on for years and nothing came out of it.

742
00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:12,759
Speaker 2: They do that also too.

743
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:16,360
Speaker 1: And then a reporter, a random reporter that saw you

744
00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:19,279
Speaker 1: be the the superstar that I knew you all of

745
00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:22,600
Speaker 1: them and be that that we were focusing on. Later on,

746
00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:27,000
Speaker 1: that reporter asked randomly about you and said, you know what,

747
00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:30,960
Speaker 1: that sucks. What happened. They believed that you did not

748
00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:35,799
Speaker 1: do anything because whoever your coach was or told them that,

749
00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:38,160
Speaker 1: and they were willing to co sign it and bring

750
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:41,160
Speaker 1: it to another body of people who were fighting for

751
00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:43,000
Speaker 1: the innocence of people who are incarcerator.

752
00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:48,040
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, And that went along till they end up

753
00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:53,520
Speaker 2: throwing that out too. And now but now we're getting.

754
00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:55,319
Speaker 1: They threw it out against you. This is your second right.

755
00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:59,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I'm I'm done and and just answer your

756
00:39:59,840 --> 00:40:03,000
Speaker 2: ques she was getting bigger and bigger. At the time,

757
00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:08,919
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh my fucking guys, you're bleeding ship right here, right,

758
00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:11,920
Speaker 2: because like I said, that's all I wanted was just

759
00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:17,840
Speaker 2: to be successful, right, And the strangest thing happened. Oh

760
00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:21,759
Speaker 2: now I got broke down to minimum. So I'm in

761
00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:26,040
Speaker 2: a dome and you know, different gods be talking.

762
00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:29,840
Speaker 1: You're broildn't the minimum security. You're no longer in that snux.

763
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:31,640
Speaker 1: I'm not in the side of MAXA. You're in the

764
00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:33,600
Speaker 1: dorm where a bunch of what.

765
00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:35,439
Speaker 2: I think like about sixty sixty.

766
00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:39,640
Speaker 1: Four sixty four beds. Yeah, okay, guys in minimum security. Guy,

767
00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:44,440
Speaker 1: they deemed harmless or on the way out whatever, right,

768
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:45,799
Speaker 1: they stole a candy bar.

769
00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:48,840
Speaker 2: Oh well, really you got to have like six years.

770
00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:50,920
Speaker 1: And then okay, god right and not getting any trouble

771
00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:52,280
Speaker 1: and be peaceful a piece of person.

772
00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:55,800
Speaker 2: So what happened is, you know, I hear people talking

773
00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:59,080
Speaker 2: day and somebody over here, I hear him telling the

774
00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:04,799
Speaker 2: stories about Bingleton, New York, right, and I hate him.

775
00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:08,120
Speaker 2: And it passed. But when you go to child, you

776
00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:09,960
Speaker 2: line up and then you sit at you sit at

777
00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:13,239
Speaker 2: the table. Whoever out, Yeah, you go to mill so

778
00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:16,319
Speaker 2: you sit at the table with whoever you're online were

779
00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:19,040
Speaker 2: and just so happened when the guys are talking about Bingleton.

780
00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:23,200
Speaker 2: I sat next to him and uh so I heard

781
00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:25,040
Speaker 2: him talking. Said, oh, yeah, you're from Bingleton. I know

782
00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:28,440
Speaker 2: somebody from Bingleton. And what end up happening is? I said, Yo,

783
00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:31,879
Speaker 2: do you know you know Flow, big light skin Float.

784
00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:35,440
Speaker 2: You're talking about Ronnie Lee? Yeah, I know him. Oh

785
00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:38,200
Speaker 2: let me tell you something. All these niggas that I

786
00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:40,560
Speaker 2: caught up with from me, that nigga held me down

787
00:41:40,680 --> 00:41:43,320
Speaker 2: when he went to Jay said Flow helped his family

788
00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:47,600
Speaker 2: out with something Flow. Yeah, Floa Flow Performers was up

789
00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:52,200
Speaker 2: there Bingleton. So it's so calt getting money up there

790
00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:55,839
Speaker 2: in Bingleton. But Floe helped his family out when he

791
00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:59,920
Speaker 2: was in jail. So what ends up happening is the guy,

792
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:03,720
Speaker 2: uh you know, he's talking to me because my article

793
00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:05,640
Speaker 2: had came out of the paper, so they knew about

794
00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:06,520
Speaker 2: my case.

795
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:09,279
Speaker 1: Right, you mean the media starts to pick up the case.

796
00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:13,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, when because that lawyer, the lawyer that came from

797
00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:15,920
Speaker 2: the Daily News, he got it put in the newspaper,

798
00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:18,279
Speaker 2: which brought it kind of back to life again, right,

799
00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:22,640
Speaker 2: And Uh. So people in the jail knew about my case.

800
00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:24,160
Speaker 2: So he said, yeo, what's going on with that? And

801
00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:26,719
Speaker 2: I started telling them, you know, they do it out

802
00:42:26,719 --> 00:42:29,120
Speaker 2: and so now he said, yo. He started telling me

803
00:42:29,160 --> 00:42:34,240
Speaker 2: that you could write lawyers and uh, different law schools

804
00:42:34,239 --> 00:42:36,239
Speaker 2: and different like that, and he said sometimes what they

805
00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:39,440
Speaker 2: do is they give the case to the students. It's

806
00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:41,960
Speaker 2: a project they work on. So you should try that.

807
00:42:42,040 --> 00:42:44,200
Speaker 2: So I started, but I didn't start doing it. What

808
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:46,480
Speaker 2: happened is he went to lawyer but library and he

809
00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:48,880
Speaker 2: got a whole bunch of addresses from me and he

810
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:51,200
Speaker 2: gave it to me, you'll write these people, and I

811
00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:55,399
Speaker 2: put it on a on a dess and he would

812
00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:58,640
Speaker 2: go to a right duty is doing come by against Yo,

813
00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:01,839
Speaker 2: I see you. Then you didn't mad at hef hey,

814
00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:04,040
Speaker 2: I'm gonna do it because by this time my mind

815
00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:05,440
Speaker 2: had gave up. Bro. I didn't even want to hear.

816
00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:09,439
Speaker 2: You know, I was done because it was too hard.

817
00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:11,880
Speaker 1: You're in there because you didn't need that two strikes.

818
00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:14,120
Speaker 1: Yeah you know, now a list of people that and

819
00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:16,480
Speaker 1: you're like, okay, now write a bunch of kids.

820
00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:18,839
Speaker 2: Yeah. Now, I was like I was just didn't want

821
00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:20,440
Speaker 2: to hear know again, right, it's just getting to be

822
00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:22,560
Speaker 2: too much getting my hopes up and there oh maybe

823
00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:25,839
Speaker 2: next timing, maybe next time, and then it's just shot down. Right,

824
00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:31,839
Speaker 2: So what happened is uh, he come by, he say something, man,

825
00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:35,319
Speaker 2: what you're doing? What you're doing? So I finally just

826
00:43:35,360 --> 00:43:39,879
Speaker 2: to shut him up, took the letters and I put

827
00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:42,480
Speaker 2: them in the mailbox and forgot all about it because

828
00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:44,640
Speaker 2: I really didn't want to get in the denial war game.

829
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:48,799
Speaker 2: And what ends up happening is uh, a letter came

830
00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:53,440
Speaker 2: back from the Brooklyn Law School and the guy said

831
00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:56,400
Speaker 2: that the professor said that he he seen my he

832
00:43:56,520 --> 00:43:59,520
Speaker 2: read my story, know that he's interested in hearing more.

833
00:43:59,719 --> 00:44:03,600
Speaker 2: And I was psych Holy shit. It was the first

834
00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:07,240
Speaker 2: time somebody was showing real, real interest in my case

835
00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:09,520
Speaker 2: and wasn't asking for a dime, So that means he

836
00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:12,640
Speaker 2: really more the more of the work work on it, right,

837
00:44:13,239 --> 00:44:17,720
Speaker 2: And uh, not only that, he sent me his number

838
00:44:18,080 --> 00:44:23,319
Speaker 2: to call collect right, and I called him, explained him

839
00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:25,160
Speaker 2: about my case, and he told me he needed my

840
00:44:25,239 --> 00:44:27,200
Speaker 2: minutes before he could tell me anything and all that.

841
00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:29,880
Speaker 2: So I started working on my family to get to

842
00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:32,359
Speaker 2: get the minister him. And one thing that ended up

843
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:36,840
Speaker 2: happening is uh my uh uh trainer, the boxing trainer.

844
00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:41,080
Speaker 2: He worked in sing sing for thirty six years, right,

845
00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:44,840
Speaker 2: so he got all your things as a sergeant all that.

846
00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:47,200
Speaker 2: So what ends up happening is he said, you know what,

847
00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:50,680
Speaker 2: send the papers to me and I take them over there.

848
00:44:50,680 --> 00:44:53,359
Speaker 2: Because the Brooklyn Law schools nearglas and Gym that's down

849
00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:56,239
Speaker 2: on Front Street. They all downtown Brooklyn. So he went

850
00:44:56,280 --> 00:44:58,840
Speaker 2: over there and he spoke with him on my behalf,

851
00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:01,840
Speaker 2: gave him the papers on had lunch together, spent about

852
00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:04,719
Speaker 2: two hours, and the guy got right back and touched me.

853
00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:08,160
Speaker 2: He said, look, man, he said, if I wasn't gonna

854
00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:12,080
Speaker 2: take your case after talking to Bob Jackson, I'm gonna

855
00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:14,319
Speaker 2: take it now. He said, because a guy who had

856
00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:16,200
Speaker 2: been through what he'd been through to come in there

857
00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:18,080
Speaker 2: and talk to each other. Because he said, this guy

858
00:45:18,120 --> 00:45:20,280
Speaker 2: had met every crook in the world in the thirty

859
00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:22,600
Speaker 2: six years that he worked that singing in prison, and

860
00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:24,719
Speaker 2: he come in there to talk to you about you

861
00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:27,839
Speaker 2: like that. He said, I have to take a leaeve man,

862
00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:29,920
Speaker 2: He said, I have to take this case and you.

863
00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:32,799
Speaker 1: Ralph McDaniels like how Ralph believed in me.

864
00:45:33,120 --> 00:45:37,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and what when I say this, this is quick?

865
00:45:37,600 --> 00:45:40,040
Speaker 2: But it didn't take this quick right here. But within

866
00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:44,839
Speaker 2: the next year he ended up getting me down into court.

867
00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:48,160
Speaker 2: You get out, and then I started speaking to you.

868
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Speaker 2: And then what I started speaking.

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Speaker 1: To you said, you get out. The last time you

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Speaker 1: saw me, yeah, you got The last time you saw me,

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Speaker 1: I was on a buster on this shit we red

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Speaker 1: Lobster uniform one. I was defeated and that was my

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Speaker 1: third business.

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Speaker 2: I gave it up.

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Speaker 1: I decided to go back to Red Lofson. You come home. Now,

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Speaker 1: what happens now?

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Speaker 2: Now? I'm like, uh, you know, this is a new

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Speaker 2: world coming out. This is eight years later. What what?

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Speaker 2: What is really gonna be out?

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Speaker 1: How much did the world change in eight years to you?

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Speaker 1: I'm just curious. I don't know.

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Speaker 2: Well, when I came around form us, everything look exactly

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Speaker 2: the same.

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