WEBVTT - A Preventable Tragedy 0:00:00.080 --> 0:00:02.680 Our two Sean Hannity show told Free It is eight 0:00:02.800 --> 0:00:05.320 hundred and ninety four one Sean, if you want to 0:00:05.320 --> 0:00:08.680 be a part of the program. It is mind numbing 0:00:08.840 --> 0:00:12.800 to me that we lose this eighteen year old girl 0:00:14.640 --> 0:00:18.720 at a loyal university. He's a freshman. He should be 0:00:18.760 --> 0:00:22.799 alive today. It is it has been disgusting the way 0:00:23.120 --> 0:00:26.480 some people have reacted to this or named Sheridan Gorman, 0:00:27.000 --> 0:00:30.360 and according to eyewitnesses, was killed in cold blood by 0:00:30.360 --> 0:00:33.920 a Biden Harris Mayorcus illegal and by the way, this 0:00:34.000 --> 0:00:37.159 guy they led into the country unvetted and then a 0:00:37.200 --> 0:00:40.600 month later is arrested for shoplifting and again they let him, 0:00:40.880 --> 0:00:41.760 let him go free. 0:00:42.520 --> 0:00:43.600 He should be alive today. 0:00:43.640 --> 0:00:47.600 When I say that these Democrats, starting with Biden, Harris 0:00:47.640 --> 0:00:51.000 Mayorcus and all these people leading sanctuary cities and states, 0:00:51.400 --> 0:00:53.440 that they have blood on their hands, I mean it 0:00:54.000 --> 0:00:57.880 because if they were responsible and not reckless, if they 0:00:57.880 --> 0:01:02.920 didn't have an agenda that encouraged and supported law breaking, 0:01:03.640 --> 0:01:06.959 well Sheridan Gorman would be alive today. You know you 0:01:07.000 --> 0:01:10.280 have the idiot Governor JB. Pritzker. Well, it's safe here now, 0:01:10.480 --> 0:01:13.600 it's usually safe here. I mean it was so cold, 0:01:13.680 --> 0:01:19.319 so callous. It's what part of this young woman losing 0:01:19.360 --> 0:01:22.480 her life are you not sympathetic to? And then trying 0:01:22.800 --> 0:01:25.560 to blame Donald Trump for this, and then you have 0:01:25.640 --> 0:01:30.480 this dopey mayor in Chicago, Brandon Johnson saying that Sheridan 0:01:30.520 --> 0:01:34.240 Gorman's death will not deter him from trying to abolish ice. 0:01:35.000 --> 0:01:38.080 Is has been arresting the murderers, the known terrorists, the 0:01:38.160 --> 0:01:43.600 child molesters, the rapists, the other violent criminals, the Cartelling 0:01:43.680 --> 0:01:46.760 gang members. If they don't do it, who's going to 0:01:46.840 --> 0:01:50.280 do it? And here's what Brandon Johnson said. 0:01:50.640 --> 0:01:55.960 Did you reconsider scheduled rescheduling this event given the Sheridan. 0:01:55.600 --> 0:01:58.320 Gorman by an undocumented immigrant. 0:02:00.240 --> 0:02:06.400 Look, as I've said before, my condolences to the family 0:02:06.760 --> 0:02:12.720 of Sheridan. This is a terrible tragedy. And what I've 0:02:12.760 --> 0:02:16.080 said from the very beginning, I'm going to continue to 0:02:16.160 --> 0:02:19.840 use every single tool that's available to me to protect 0:02:19.840 --> 0:02:24.600 the residents of the city of Chicago. And this tragedy 0:02:25.240 --> 0:02:28.120 is not going to deter us from our work. In fact, 0:02:28.280 --> 0:02:30.320 it's going to challenge us all to double down on 0:02:30.360 --> 0:02:33.480 our efforts to ensure that we are protecting every single 0:02:33.520 --> 0:02:35.760 individual across neighborhoods. 0:02:36.280 --> 0:02:39.120 Then you have an older woman by the name of 0:02:39.200 --> 0:02:43.920 Maria Hadden pretty much blaming the victim in this case, 0:02:43.960 --> 0:02:47.919 Sheridan Gorman, for her own murder by saying, well, this 0:02:48.639 --> 0:02:51.440 has been like a wrong place, wrong time situation. Here's 0:02:51.440 --> 0:02:52.120 what she said. 0:02:53.000 --> 0:02:54.919 You know, people go out to the beach all the time, 0:02:55.000 --> 0:02:56.560 right and they go out on the pier, they walk 0:02:56.600 --> 0:02:59.200 around so that the kids are out doing normal, normal 0:02:59.200 --> 0:03:02.600 things people do in neighborhood. And it sounds like this 0:03:02.680 --> 0:03:05.320 might have been a wrong place, wrong time running into 0:03:05.600 --> 0:03:07.799 a person who had a gun. They might have startled 0:03:07.800 --> 0:03:12.480 this person at the end of the year unintentionally. But 0:03:12.680 --> 0:03:13.640 that's that's all we know. 0:03:15.320 --> 0:03:17.639 That's all we know. Wrong place, wrong time. 0:03:17.639 --> 0:03:20.600 The only person in the wrong place at the wrong 0:03:20.680 --> 0:03:25.880 time that never should have been there is this venezuelan 0:03:26.080 --> 0:03:29.600 illegal that was let go not once but twice by 0:03:29.600 --> 0:03:33.120 the Biden administration. And how many more people have to 0:03:33.160 --> 0:03:35.480 be victims of crime. This goes to what I said 0:03:35.600 --> 0:03:39.000 over a year ago at the Joint Session speech speech, 0:03:39.080 --> 0:03:42.800 Democrats have lost their heart, their conscience, their soul. We've 0:03:42.840 --> 0:03:46.320 got everything so asked backwards in this country. It's breathtaking 0:03:46.360 --> 0:03:50.160 at times. Anyway, Congresswoman Mary Miller of Illinois is with us, 0:03:50.200 --> 0:03:52.600 She too is disgusted by all of this. Glad you 0:03:52.640 --> 0:03:54.880 could be with us. Well, you work with some real 0:03:54.920 --> 0:03:55.720 winners over there. 0:03:56.760 --> 0:03:58.600 I do, and I can tell you it's a mother 0:03:58.800 --> 0:04:03.720 and a grandmother. This is painful, it's outrageous. I've talked 0:04:03.720 --> 0:04:08.960 to another victims family, Katie Abraham, was also killed by 0:04:09.000 --> 0:04:13.880 illegals in Illinois, and they are suffering. Joe Abraham has 0:04:13.920 --> 0:04:17.000 said that their family will serve a life sentence over this. 0:04:17.160 --> 0:04:20.640 But I want to highlight that it's Pritsker and the 0:04:20.720 --> 0:04:25.159 Democrats sanctuary policies that created the conditions for this tragedy. 0:04:25.720 --> 0:04:30.159 And it's interesting the lunatic left, even the deaths of 0:04:30.200 --> 0:04:33.159 Americans does not deter them from their mission, which is 0:04:33.240 --> 0:04:37.720 to replace Americans with illegal votes so that they can 0:04:37.800 --> 0:04:40.880 maintain power. That's what this is all about. Opening the 0:04:40.920 --> 0:04:44.920 border and now refusing to fund DHS. They don't want 0:04:44.960 --> 0:04:48.880 to fund DHS because they don't want ice enforcement. They 0:04:48.880 --> 0:04:52.919 don't want these criminal illegal aliens supported, not even murders 0:04:52.960 --> 0:04:53.840 and rapists. 0:04:54.160 --> 0:04:56.560 All right, So we have other stories out today. You 0:04:56.600 --> 0:05:01.400 have one deranged fellow House member, a Democrat now accusing 0:05:01.440 --> 0:05:06.080 ICE of carrying out rogue terrorist attacks on American citizens, 0:05:06.200 --> 0:05:09.159 which is just nothing but an outright lie. And this 0:05:09.279 --> 0:05:13.960 is Representative Julie Johnson during a House Homeland Security Committee 0:05:14.000 --> 0:05:19.720 hearing yesterday blaming the DHS funding laps on Republicans. Now, 0:05:19.960 --> 0:05:23.480 the Democrats have had five opportunities in the US Senate 0:05:23.800 --> 0:05:26.760 to open up the government and to fund FEMA and 0:05:26.880 --> 0:05:30.719 TSA and the Coastguard and the Secret Service and ICE, 0:05:31.120 --> 0:05:33.720 and they refuse to do so. And yet they want 0:05:33.720 --> 0:05:37.120 to They want to refer to, you know, ICE agents 0:05:37.200 --> 0:05:40.000 that have been arresting all of these dangerous criminals, as 0:05:41.400 --> 0:05:44.039 you know, as terrorists in this country. Then we have 0:05:44.080 --> 0:05:47.520 a case of an elderly Air Force veteran, this is 0:05:47.520 --> 0:05:50.400 in the New York Daily News, shoved onto the train 0:05:50.560 --> 0:05:53.680 tracks in a subway in New York City in a 0:05:53.760 --> 0:05:57.599 random attack. This guy has now died of his injuries. Again, 0:05:57.720 --> 0:05:59.960 this person never should have been here. Then you can 0:06:00.080 --> 0:06:03.480 out an illegal alien. MS thirteen gangbanger has been sentenced 0:06:03.480 --> 0:06:06.560 to thirty five years in jail for beating and hacking 0:06:06.560 --> 0:06:09.440 a California hiker to death. You know, none of these 0:06:09.480 --> 0:06:12.599 people ever get held accountable. By the way, President Trump 0:06:12.600 --> 0:06:16.719 did score a massive court victory with the appellate ruling 0:06:16.760 --> 0:06:20.000 on iceed attention. They reversed the Minnesota District Court ruling 0:06:20.360 --> 0:06:22.560 in a two to one decision, aligning with the similar 0:06:22.920 --> 0:06:26.560 Fifth Circuit ruling last month. But illegal immigrants nabbed by 0:06:26.640 --> 0:06:29.119 ICE do not have to face bond hearings, a step 0:06:29.160 --> 0:06:33.600 that has become a potential impediment to the President's deportation agenda. 0:06:34.320 --> 0:06:37.680 Now you mentioned this case of Joe Abraham. He is 0:06:37.800 --> 0:06:41.000 the father of Katie Abraham. And listen to this guy 0:06:41.120 --> 0:06:44.440 describe how his daughter was killed by an illegal immigrant 0:06:44.480 --> 0:06:45.040 drunk driver. 0:06:45.200 --> 0:06:45.760 Listen to this. 0:06:46.640 --> 0:06:49.200 So before I began, I want you to picture something 0:06:49.279 --> 0:06:52.480 pretty ordinary. A car sitting at a red light, idol 0:06:53.080 --> 0:06:57.040 five young friends inside talking, laughing, having a normal night. 0:06:58.480 --> 0:07:01.320 My daughter, Katie was in the backseat. Car wasn't moving, 0:07:01.440 --> 0:07:04.560 it was at a red light. In a single instant, 0:07:04.760 --> 0:07:09.239 my daughter's life was gone. An intoxicated illegal immigrant slammed 0:07:09.240 --> 0:07:11.080 into the back of her car at eighty miles an hour. 0:07:11.840 --> 0:07:16.440 They never saw that coming. First responders fought to pull 0:07:16.520 --> 0:07:21.320 my daughter's dead body out of that car. She didn't survive. 0:07:23.200 --> 0:07:25.960 The man who caused the crash, Julio Kuco Boll, a 0:07:26.000 --> 0:07:31.720 Guatemala national who had already been deported, ran what was 0:07:31.760 --> 0:07:35.080 eventually captured in Milford, Texas, trying to escape the country. 0:07:36.200 --> 0:07:40.360 Despite federal authorities knowing who he was, he was able 0:07:40.360 --> 0:07:42.600 to re enter the United States in twenty twenty two 0:07:43.040 --> 0:07:47.200 and live in Illinois under a false identity because state 0:07:47.320 --> 0:07:51.600 policies and enforcement gaps failed to protect public. The public 0:07:52.280 --> 0:07:55.280 Katie deserved a future full of love, laughter in life, 0:07:55.360 --> 0:07:59.640 graduating college, building a career, falling in love, and experiencing 0:07:59.640 --> 0:08:04.280 all the joys and heartbreak of adulthood. Instead, that was 0:08:04.320 --> 0:08:08.120 stolen at a red light in a street in Illinois. 0:08:09.480 --> 0:08:10.360 The man who killed. 0:08:11.280 --> 0:08:13.480 The man who killed, or described himself in court, is 0:08:13.600 --> 0:08:16.880 unable to read or write English, even Spanish. He spoke 0:08:16.920 --> 0:08:21.880 a Kai Chi Mayan language from Guatemala, yet somehow he 0:08:22.000 --> 0:08:26.400 possessed an Illinois driver's license falid. So when a system 0:08:26.440 --> 0:08:30.080 sends signals that borders are porous, that deportations are ignored, 0:08:30.160 --> 0:08:34.240 and that enforcement is unlikely, people who are willing to 0:08:34.280 --> 0:08:37.360 ignore the law will take advantage of those conditions. That 0:08:37.520 --> 0:08:43.160 is not a complicated idea that is human behavior. It's predictable, 0:08:44.000 --> 0:08:47.800 and when those incentives exist, the consequences are not abstract. 0:08:48.600 --> 0:08:50.680 Families like mine live with them forever. 0:08:52.280 --> 0:08:56.959 I mean, this is the pain of every every victim's family, 0:08:57.559 --> 0:09:01.600 and we don't care now. Joe then got in a 0:09:01.679 --> 0:09:06.040 battle with little Dicky Durbin for failing to address him 0:09:06.720 --> 0:09:09.640 during the Senate hearing that took place yesterday. Again, all 0:09:09.679 --> 0:09:12.160 of this coming out of Illinois. But it's the same 0:09:12.200 --> 0:09:15.040 thing in New York. It's the same thing in California. 0:09:15.080 --> 0:09:17.679 It's the same thing in New Jersey. It's the same 0:09:17.679 --> 0:09:20.400 thing in blue states and blue cities all around the country. 0:09:20.600 --> 0:09:24.640 Listen, thank you in particular for being here today. 0:09:25.240 --> 0:09:25.600 Thank you. 0:09:26.040 --> 0:09:28.920 I want to extend my deepest condolences. 0:09:29.040 --> 0:09:33.280 Appreciate it. Also appreciate REKI Member Welsh and mister Padilla 0:09:33.679 --> 0:09:36.600 for recognizing that what I don't understand is why my 0:09:36.760 --> 0:09:41.160 Senator of Illinois, mister Durban, haven't heard two words from 0:09:41.240 --> 0:09:43.800 him toward me. But sorry, I want to take your time. 0:09:44.320 --> 0:09:45.040 Kind of amazing. 0:09:45.679 --> 0:09:47.440 I think it is a fair question to ask. 0:09:47.600 --> 0:09:50.880 Kind of happy he's calling it a calling it quits. 0:09:52.480 --> 0:09:56.120 Congresswoman, this is all out of your state. Do the 0:09:56.160 --> 0:09:59.439 people of Illinois want this to continue? 0:10:00.600 --> 0:10:05.080 Actually, Illinois has the votes to turn the state red 0:10:05.160 --> 0:10:07.520 if just if we could just get gun owners out 0:10:07.520 --> 0:10:11.280 to vote. The registered Republicans aren't showing up to vote, 0:10:11.320 --> 0:10:14.040 and I believe one of the reasons is that they 0:10:14.120 --> 0:10:17.120 think their vote doesn't matter. There's so much corruption in Illinois, 0:10:17.160 --> 0:10:20.200 which brings me to the issue of passing the Save 0:10:20.280 --> 0:10:24.040 America Act. I believe that the country our children are 0:10:24.040 --> 0:10:25.960 going to grow and grandchildren are going to grow up 0:10:26.000 --> 0:10:32.480 in is determined on us passing that the Senate passing that, 0:10:33.040 --> 0:10:35.640 and the Senate needs to stay and do their work. 0:10:35.679 --> 0:10:38.319 I'm hearing rumors that they want to leave. They need 0:10:38.360 --> 0:10:41.400 to stay and get their work done. They need to 0:10:41.440 --> 0:10:44.480 find dhs, they need to pass the Save America Act. 0:10:45.559 --> 0:10:47.120 No, I think that's all well said. 0:10:47.160 --> 0:10:51.439 When you speak to your fellow Democrats that are in 0:10:51.480 --> 0:10:55.000 your state, I mean, is there any wiggle room that 0:10:55.040 --> 0:10:57.720 they can reason? Is there any admission on their part 0:10:57.800 --> 0:11:01.560 that these open borders have put their citizens in jeopardy. 0:11:02.280 --> 0:11:05.360 Have you ever had a discussion about why every single 0:11:05.440 --> 0:11:08.600 weekend we can predict with a high degree of certainty 0:11:08.920 --> 0:11:11.240 how many people in Chicago are going to get shot 0:11:11.280 --> 0:11:13.880 and shot and killed. I mean, do they not care 0:11:13.920 --> 0:11:16.240 about those lives I have. 0:11:16.360 --> 0:11:21.599 I had a conversation with Congresswoman Nicki Bodinsky, she represents 0:11:21.880 --> 0:11:25.040 Champagne Urbana, and it happened to be the day that 0:11:25.120 --> 0:11:29.600 we voted on Barry Moore's bill, which would require deportation 0:11:29.800 --> 0:11:32.800 of illegals that are arrested for drunk driving. And I 0:11:32.880 --> 0:11:37.240 said to her, Niki, Katie Abraham's father is here. And 0:11:37.280 --> 0:11:40.720 it was about two months after the tragedy when she 0:11:40.880 --> 0:11:44.920 was killed, and Congresswoman Niki Bidinski looked at me and said, 0:11:44.920 --> 0:11:48.480 who is she? I said, she is the twenty year 0:11:48.520 --> 0:11:52.240 old college student killed in your district by an illegal 0:11:52.360 --> 0:11:57.199 drunk driver. And not one of Illinois's congressmen, not one 0:11:57.720 --> 0:12:01.520 the governor, nobody, no doubt Democrat, and Illinois has reached 0:12:01.520 --> 0:12:06.160 out to Joe Abraham to express condolences. They are defending 0:12:06.200 --> 0:12:09.599 their policies and they like they let the worst of 0:12:09.640 --> 0:12:11.960 the worst in and they're fighting to keep the worst 0:12:11.960 --> 0:12:14.280 of the worst here. It is. I want to tell 0:12:14.280 --> 0:12:19.080 the listeners again, this is all about replacing Americans at 0:12:19.080 --> 0:12:21.800 the polls. They want to cancel their votes to stay 0:12:21.800 --> 0:12:25.040 in power. They want a one party system. That's where 0:12:25.040 --> 0:12:31.080 we're going. And Marxist revolutionaries they use chaos to voice 0:12:31.120 --> 0:12:34.320 the revolution, and that's what they're creating by having all 0:12:34.360 --> 0:12:35.520 these illegals here. 0:12:36.679 --> 0:12:40.760 Why wouldn't any Democrat support the Save America Act, which 0:12:40.760 --> 0:12:45.520 simply requires proof of citizenship and voter id so we 0:12:45.559 --> 0:12:48.440 have integrity in our elections. Have you come to a 0:12:48.480 --> 0:12:51.920 conclusion as to why. 0:12:51.559 --> 0:12:55.719 They have Trump derangement syndrome anything that he supports there 0:12:55.760 --> 0:13:01.040 against and to their own demise? Really, because Crats and 0:13:01.160 --> 0:13:04.360 Republicans want Save America Pass, they want voter idea, they 0:13:04.360 --> 0:13:08.160 want proof of citizenship. It's not a partisan issue, just 0:13:08.280 --> 0:13:12.440 like safety in our communities, that's not a partisan issue. People. 0:13:12.679 --> 0:13:15.439 Does anything matter if you don't feel safe in your 0:13:15.440 --> 0:13:19.160 community or your home. No, we want safe communities, We 0:13:19.200 --> 0:13:22.120 want the illegals out, and we don't want our votes canceled. 0:13:23.240 --> 0:13:25.400 I don't think I could say it any better. I 0:13:25.440 --> 0:13:28.920 don't know how you work with such lunatics. 0:13:28.280 --> 0:13:28.880 In that state. 0:13:30.000 --> 0:13:32.400 Do you get mad when people like me say, if 0:13:32.440 --> 0:13:34.400 you live in Illinois, if you live in New York, 0:13:34.440 --> 0:13:36.840 if you live in California, just if you can get out, 0:13:37.440 --> 0:13:39.360 there's no point, because I don't think you can save 0:13:39.400 --> 0:13:41.320 those states. You seem optimistic you can. 0:13:42.400 --> 0:13:43.240 Well, Like I. 0:13:43.200 --> 0:13:46.000 Say, we have the votes in Illinois to turn the 0:13:46.120 --> 0:13:52.680 state red and hopefully you know we could pass save America. 0:13:53.040 --> 0:13:56.199 We can. I know Tom Finton is suing Illinois. We've 0:13:56.200 --> 0:13:59.839 got another lawsuit going to the Supreme Court about cleaning 0:13:59.920 --> 0:14:04.440 up or voter rolls, about counting ballots or not accepting 0:14:04.480 --> 0:14:07.560 ballots turned in after election day, and so I think 0:14:07.600 --> 0:14:11.080 getting election reform or really help us. But I just 0:14:11.120 --> 0:14:15.320 want to remind everybody that JB. Pritzker is sailed. He 0:14:15.440 --> 0:14:19.000 is a failed governor by every metric, and he wants 0:14:19.040 --> 0:14:22.160 to be president. It is a joke. People need to 0:14:22.160 --> 0:14:24.280 be rassed up. They need to look at their children 0:14:24.360 --> 0:14:27.560 and grandchildren and say, I need to be a force multiplier. 0:14:27.600 --> 0:14:29.280 I need to get to the polls. I need to 0:14:29.280 --> 0:14:33.239 support good candidates. It is for my children and grandchildren. 0:14:33.680 --> 0:14:37.000 I appreciate the good work that you're doing, Congresswoman. I 0:14:37.040 --> 0:14:40.240 mean it's you're fighting an uphill battle. You're dealing with 0:14:40.320 --> 0:14:44.120 the craziest of the crazy in Washington. We appreciate what 0:14:44.200 --> 0:14:46.360 your work, what you're doing, and thank you for being 0:14:46.400 --> 0:14:50.480 with us. Congresswoman Mary Miller Illinois. Thank you at eight 0:14:50.600 --> 0:14:52.200 hundred and nine to four one. Shawn is on number. 0:14:52.200 --> 0:14:54.520 If you want to be a part of the program. 0:14:55.000 --> 0:14:58.960 You know, it's been a while now since we lost 0:14:59.240 --> 0:15:03.040 Charlie Kirk. Charlie Kirk, the impact that he has had 0:15:03.120 --> 0:15:07.200 on so many people, young people in particular is incalculable. 0:15:07.480 --> 0:15:11.640 Turning point USA continues. The mission Erica now has taken 0:15:11.680 --> 0:15:16.760 the reins and that mission continues, and it's just so 0:15:17.040 --> 0:15:21.720 sad tragic what happened that day. And what's even more 0:15:21.760 --> 0:15:27.760 said is people attacking either the organization or Erica Kirk. 0:15:29.000 --> 0:15:31.760 And it's not something that I feel that anybody should 0:15:31.760 --> 0:15:35.080 be paying attention to myself, and therefore I ignore it. 0:15:35.160 --> 0:15:37.480 But I'm sure it's not fun for them to have 0:15:37.520 --> 0:15:39.880 to live through all of that. You know, people that 0:15:40.000 --> 0:15:42.040 have whatever agenda that they have. 0:15:43.320 --> 0:15:44.080 But there are a. 0:15:44.120 --> 0:15:48.400 Couple of people that shaped Charlie Kirk and his love 0:15:48.440 --> 0:15:54.240 of God, his faith, his belief system. Charlie had a 0:15:54.960 --> 0:15:59.400 quest for knowledge, at thirst that he had for knowledge, 0:16:00.040 --> 0:16:03.640 and especially when it comes to the spiritual issues in life. 0:16:04.520 --> 0:16:07.600 He had people like Pastor Rob McCoy, who married both 0:16:07.680 --> 0:16:12.200 Charlie and Erica also was very good friends with Frank Turk, 0:16:12.840 --> 0:16:16.520 and Frank Turk was basically he teaches apologetics, which is 0:16:16.640 --> 0:16:21.320 the defense of Christianity using logic and scripture combined. And 0:16:21.560 --> 0:16:24.760 if you haven't read anything, David Limbaugh, my friend of 0:16:24.800 --> 0:16:28.240 many years, Russia's brother, has written many books on it himself. 0:16:28.240 --> 0:16:33.000 Frank Turk has also I don't have enough faith to 0:16:33.040 --> 0:16:36.120 be an atheist. And anyway, was a mentor friend to 0:16:36.240 --> 0:16:38.640 Charlie Kirk, who is about twenty five feet away from 0:16:38.680 --> 0:16:43.240 him when he was assassinated. And today he's going back 0:16:43.680 --> 0:16:47.040 to basically the scene of the crime. He's going back 0:16:47.080 --> 0:16:51.480 to Utah Valley University and addressing the kids out there. 0:16:51.480 --> 0:16:53.920 Give him a lot of credit for this. And Frank, 0:16:53.960 --> 0:16:55.560 it's great to have you back on the show. Thank 0:16:55.560 --> 0:16:57.440 you for being with us. How are you doing, how's 0:16:57.560 --> 0:16:59.840 Erica doing? How's the turning Point family? 0:17:01.320 --> 0:17:04.359 Sean? Thanks for having me on. Erica. I just spoke 0:17:04.400 --> 0:17:07.600 to her yesterday and she's poling through. But as you 0:17:07.760 --> 0:17:11.880 just said, it's really unconscionable that people would be attacking 0:17:11.920 --> 0:17:16.720 a widow, and a widow who has two young children. 0:17:17.440 --> 0:17:21.280 She's innocent, Sean, and it pains me to even have 0:17:21.400 --> 0:17:25.560 to say that. It's obvious. But Sean, you know, as 0:17:25.560 --> 0:17:28.120 you always quote on your show, Let not your heart 0:17:28.200 --> 0:17:32.200 be troubled. That's from John chapter fourteen. 0:17:33.119 --> 0:17:36.080 Now, my heart's trouble when people are being mean. My 0:17:36.200 --> 0:17:42.199 heart's troubled when people can't have empathy or sympathy for 0:17:42.320 --> 0:17:46.320 what other people go through. I can't stand when people 0:17:46.359 --> 0:17:49.400 try to build themselves up by knocking other people down. 0:17:49.520 --> 0:17:50.440 I don't like that either. 0:17:51.600 --> 0:17:56.399 Well, here's the interesting part, Sean, both the Apostles and 0:17:56.560 --> 0:18:02.760 Jesus called Satan a murderer, liar, accuser, and slanderer who 0:18:02.840 --> 0:18:06.520 wants to destroy Sean, we had a murder six months 0:18:06.680 --> 0:18:11.360 months ago. What have we had since then? We've had lies, accusations, 0:18:12.040 --> 0:18:17.080 slander to try and destroy an innocent widow and her 0:18:17.280 --> 0:18:21.200 organization that Charlie built. If you're calling yourself a friend 0:18:21.240 --> 0:18:25.800 of Charlie, how on earth are you attacking his widow 0:18:25.880 --> 0:18:29.679 and the organization that he built, A phenomenal organization. Some 0:18:29.720 --> 0:18:32.080 of the finest people I've ever met are at Turning 0:18:32.119 --> 0:18:33.000 Point USA. 0:18:33.440 --> 0:18:35.880 Well, what does the Bible tell us, you know, lie? 0:18:36.080 --> 0:18:38.600 What does it lie, steal and destroy? 0:18:39.480 --> 0:18:39.720 Yes? 0:18:41.080 --> 0:18:41.600 I mean. 0:18:43.920 --> 0:18:47.400 Yeah, I mean, so it is co user and a slanderer. 0:18:48.880 --> 0:18:49.080 You know. 0:18:49.400 --> 0:18:52.199 I want you to explain because one of my some 0:18:52.240 --> 0:18:54.720 of my more favorite moments on this radio show to 0:18:54.760 --> 0:18:57.280 do and I don't do it probably often enough, but 0:18:57.400 --> 0:19:00.800 somebody will call in and they're an atheist, and I'll 0:19:00.840 --> 0:19:03.200 have a long discussion with them, and this is how 0:19:03.280 --> 0:19:06.920 I argue to them. And yes, I'm a Christian. Yes 0:19:07.240 --> 0:19:10.080 I was raised Catholic, but I'm more non denominational at 0:19:10.080 --> 0:19:11.000 this point in my life. 0:19:11.000 --> 0:19:12.880 But I believe the Gospel. 0:19:12.920 --> 0:19:14.679 I believe in the Old Testament, I believe in the 0:19:14.720 --> 0:19:17.840 New Testament, and I believe that America was founded on 0:19:17.920 --> 0:19:23.520 Judeo Christian principles. Our founders and framers referenced it often, 0:19:23.600 --> 0:19:25.880 and some of the great philosophers back in the day. 0:19:26.600 --> 0:19:30.600 And when people call this program and I will ask them, 0:19:30.920 --> 0:19:32.920 you know, or they'll say to me, or they'll state 0:19:33.000 --> 0:19:34.760 to me that how can I believe in a God? 0:19:35.480 --> 0:19:39.240 And why does God allow bad things to happen to 0:19:39.280 --> 0:19:42.720 good people? And We've had many of these discussions over 0:19:42.760 --> 0:19:46.040 the years on this program, and this is my take 0:19:46.080 --> 0:19:50.560 on it. Because to be an atheist, I argue, you 0:19:50.760 --> 0:19:54.280 have to believe that something came from nothing, And I'll 0:19:54.440 --> 0:19:57.800 at some point I'll get them to admit they believe 0:19:57.880 --> 0:20:01.560 that the Big Bang theory occurred. And then I'll say, okay, well, 0:20:01.600 --> 0:20:05.880 where did all of those elements come from that collided together, 0:20:06.640 --> 0:20:12.560 that somehow magically created universes within universes within universes within 0:20:12.720 --> 0:20:17.159 universes within universes. And then you get into the specific 0:20:17.240 --> 0:20:21.399 detail everything from an ant to a caterpillar to wildlife 0:20:22.119 --> 0:20:25.879 to humanity and so on and so forth, and the 0:20:25.920 --> 0:20:28.160 water and the seas and the sun and the stars 0:20:28.200 --> 0:20:32.160 and the sky, etc. And what we know and how 0:20:32.160 --> 0:20:35.359 did all of that just happen? And they never have 0:20:35.480 --> 0:20:37.800 a good answer for that. And this is the stuff 0:20:37.840 --> 0:20:39.600 that you and Charlie would talk about a lot, if 0:20:39.600 --> 0:20:40.440 I'm not mistaken. 0:20:41.280 --> 0:20:44.840 Yes, of course, Jean, You're absolutely right. Here's what even 0:20:44.880 --> 0:20:48.119 atheists today are admitting. Like for example, Stephen Hawking hes 0:20:48.119 --> 0:20:50.919 since passed away, but he said, almost everyone now believes 0:20:50.960 --> 0:20:54.280 that the universe and time itself at a beginning at 0:20:54.280 --> 0:20:57.600 the Big Bang. That's what the evidence shows. Now. He 0:20:57.720 --> 0:21:00.280 tried to come up with another explanation other than God 0:21:00.320 --> 0:21:03.200 shan but who else could it be? If space, time, 0:21:03.240 --> 0:21:06.159 and matter had a beginning out of nothing. Whatever created space, 0:21:06.200 --> 0:21:09.160 time and matter has to be outside of space, time 0:21:09.200 --> 0:21:14.240 and matter. In other words, the cause must be spaceless, timeless, immaterial, 0:21:14.840 --> 0:21:18.280 powerful to create the universe out of nothing, personal in 0:21:18.359 --> 0:21:21.439 order to choose to create, and also intelligent to have 0:21:21.520 --> 0:21:24.600 a mind to create. Now, whenever I asked atheist or 0:21:24.640 --> 0:21:30.800 even anybody, when you think about a spaceless, timeless, immaterial, powerful, personal, 0:21:30.920 --> 0:21:35.159 intelligent cause, who do you think of? Well, it's obviously 0:21:35.320 --> 0:21:37.720 a being like God. And when you look at the 0:21:37.760 --> 0:21:41.040 evidence that Jesus really did die and rise from the dead, 0:21:41.680 --> 0:21:44.520 then you can go back and say that the same 0:21:44.640 --> 0:21:47.160 being that walked out of the tomb one thousand, nine 0:21:47.200 --> 0:21:50.600 hundred and ninety three years ago next week Sean is 0:21:50.640 --> 0:21:54.280 the same being who created the universe out of nothing 0:21:54.400 --> 0:21:57.720 in his divine nature or by his divine nature. That's 0:21:57.760 --> 0:22:01.000 what Christians believe, and we believe that because there's evidence 0:22:01.040 --> 0:22:03.680 for this. There's evidence that God exists, and there's evidence 0:22:03.680 --> 0:22:05.480 that Jesus rose in the dead. And by the way, 0:22:05.800 --> 0:22:08.320 that's why I can go to Utah Valley University tonight, 0:22:08.359 --> 0:22:12.399 Shan and show people the evidence that Christianity is true 0:22:12.400 --> 0:22:15.960 and then give them hope that there's life beyond this 0:22:16.200 --> 0:22:20.200 grave by trusting in what Jesus did. Charlie did that. 0:22:20.280 --> 0:22:22.320 So Charlie right now is absent from the body but 0:22:22.400 --> 0:22:24.640 present with the Lord. The rest of us are here 0:22:24.680 --> 0:22:28.879 to continue his mission, the mission Jesus gave us, and 0:22:28.920 --> 0:22:30.920 that is to make disciples of all nations. 0:22:31.200 --> 0:22:33.640 One Bible verse that gives me so much hope. 0:22:33.640 --> 0:22:36.040 But then there are many of them, and yeah, I 0:22:36.200 --> 0:22:39.239 do quote, let not your heart be troubled. I go 0:22:39.280 --> 0:22:42.000 and prepare a place for you, so that where I am, 0:22:42.240 --> 0:22:45.000 ye shall also be, and in my father's house or 0:22:45.000 --> 0:22:45.800 many mansions. 0:22:45.840 --> 0:22:47.879 And that's what He's preparing for all of us. I 0:22:47.920 --> 0:22:48.679 believe all of that. 0:22:49.480 --> 0:22:52.720 And then the Bible also says the eye hath not seen, 0:22:52.920 --> 0:22:56.359 nor has the ear heard, nor has it entered into 0:22:56.400 --> 0:22:59.880 the heart of man, what God has instored for those 0:23:00.080 --> 0:23:03.520 that love the truth. And that another point in the Bible. 0:23:04.240 --> 0:23:08.239 You know an almighty, all powerful, all living creator of 0:23:08.280 --> 0:23:11.679 the heavens and earth and everything in between, that the 0:23:11.800 --> 0:23:16.680 very hairs of our head are counted, and that God 0:23:16.800 --> 0:23:21.080 is very very aware. I mean, it's we're not designed 0:23:21.119 --> 0:23:24.240 as human beings to comprehend God's majesty. 0:23:24.280 --> 0:23:27.480 Are we not completely We can't, Sean. But if we 0:23:27.520 --> 0:23:29.440 want to know who God is in a personal way, 0:23:29.480 --> 0:23:32.440