Speaker 1: Our two Sean Hannity show told Free It is eight
Speaker 1: hundred and ninety four one Sean, if you want to
Speaker 1: be a part of the program. It is mind numbing
Speaker 1: to me that we lose this eighteen year old girl
Speaker 1: at a loyal university. He's a freshman. He should be
Speaker 1: alive today. It is it has been disgusting the way
Speaker 1: some people have reacted to this or named Sheridan Gorman,
Speaker 1: and according to eyewitnesses, was killed in cold blood by
Speaker 1: a Biden Harris Mayorcus illegal and by the way, this
Speaker 1: guy they led into the country unvetted and then a
Speaker 1: month later is arrested for shoplifting and again they let him,
Speaker 1: let him go free.
Speaker 2: He should be alive today.
Speaker 1: When I say that these Democrats, starting with Biden, Harris
Speaker 1: Mayorcus and all these people leading sanctuary cities and states,
Speaker 1: that they have blood on their hands, I mean it
Speaker 1: because if they were responsible and not reckless, if they
Speaker 1: didn't have an agenda that encouraged and supported law breaking,
Speaker 1: well Sheridan Gorman would be alive today. You know you
Speaker 1: have the idiot Governor JB. Pritzker. Well, it's safe here now,
Speaker 1: it's usually safe here. I mean it was so cold,
Speaker 1: so callous. It's what part of this young woman losing
Speaker 1: her life are you not sympathetic to? And then trying
Speaker 1: to blame Donald Trump for this, and then you have
Speaker 1: this dopey mayor in Chicago, Brandon Johnson saying that Sheridan
Speaker 1: Gorman's death will not deter him from trying to abolish ice.
Speaker 1: Is has been arresting the murderers, the known terrorists, the
Speaker 1: child molesters, the rapists, the other violent criminals, the Cartelling
Speaker 1: gang members. If they don't do it, who's going to
Speaker 1: do it? And here's what Brandon Johnson said.
Speaker 3: Did you reconsider scheduled rescheduling this event given the Sheridan.
Speaker 2: Gorman by an undocumented immigrant.
Speaker 4: Look, as I've said before, my condolences to the family
Speaker 4: of Sheridan. This is a terrible tragedy. And what I've
Speaker 4: said from the very beginning, I'm going to continue to
Speaker 4: use every single tool that's available to me to protect
Speaker 4: the residents of the city of Chicago. And this tragedy
Speaker 4: is not going to deter us from our work. In fact,
Speaker 4: it's going to challenge us all to double down on
Speaker 4: our efforts to ensure that we are protecting every single
Speaker 4: individual across neighborhoods.
Speaker 1: Then you have an older woman by the name of
Speaker 1: Maria Hadden pretty much blaming the victim in this case,
Speaker 1: Sheridan Gorman, for her own murder by saying, well, this
Speaker 1: has been like a wrong place, wrong time situation. Here's
Speaker 1: what she said.
Speaker 5: You know, people go out to the beach all the time,
Speaker 5: right and they go out on the pier, they walk
Speaker 5: around so that the kids are out doing normal, normal
Speaker 5: things people do in neighborhood. And it sounds like this
Speaker 5: might have been a wrong place, wrong time running into
Speaker 5: a person who had a gun. They might have startled
Speaker 5: this person at the end of the year unintentionally. But
Speaker 5: that's that's all we know.
Speaker 2: That's all we know. Wrong place, wrong time.
Speaker 1: The only person in the wrong place at the wrong
Speaker 1: time that never should have been there is this venezuelan
Speaker 1: illegal that was let go not once but twice by
Speaker 1: the Biden administration. And how many more people have to
Speaker 1: be victims of crime. This goes to what I said
Speaker 1: over a year ago at the Joint Session speech speech,
Speaker 1: Democrats have lost their heart, their conscience, their soul. We've
Speaker 1: got everything so asked backwards in this country. It's breathtaking
Speaker 1: at times. Anyway, Congresswoman Mary Miller of Illinois is with us,
Speaker 1: She too is disgusted by all of this. Glad you
Speaker 1: could be with us. Well, you work with some real
Speaker 1: winners over there.
Speaker 6: I do, and I can tell you it's a mother
Speaker 6: and a grandmother. This is painful, it's outrageous. I've talked
Speaker 6: to another victims family, Katie Abraham, was also killed by
Speaker 6: illegals in Illinois, and they are suffering. Joe Abraham has
Speaker 6: said that their family will serve a life sentence over this.
Speaker 6: But I want to highlight that it's Pritsker and the
Speaker 6: Democrats sanctuary policies that created the conditions for this tragedy.
Speaker 6: And it's interesting the lunatic left, even the deaths of
Speaker 6: Americans does not deter them from their mission, which is
Speaker 6: to replace Americans with illegal votes so that they can
Speaker 6: maintain power. That's what this is all about. Opening the
Speaker 6: border and now refusing to fund DHS. They don't want
Speaker 6: to fund DHS because they don't want ice enforcement. They
Speaker 6: don't want these criminal illegal aliens supported, not even murders
Speaker 6: and rapists.
Speaker 1: All right, So we have other stories out today. You
Speaker 1: have one deranged fellow House member, a Democrat now accusing
Speaker 1: ICE of carrying out rogue terrorist attacks on American citizens,
Speaker 1: which is just nothing but an outright lie. And this
Speaker 1: is Representative Julie Johnson during a House Homeland Security Committee
Speaker 1: hearing yesterday blaming the DHS funding laps on Republicans. Now,
Speaker 1: the Democrats have had five opportunities in the US Senate
Speaker 1: to open up the government and to fund FEMA and
Speaker 1: TSA and the Coastguard and the Secret Service and ICE,
Speaker 1: and they refuse to do so. And yet they want
Speaker 1: to They want to refer to, you know, ICE agents
Speaker 1: that have been arresting all of these dangerous criminals, as
Speaker 1: you know, as terrorists in this country. Then we have
Speaker 1: a case of an elderly Air Force veteran, this is
Speaker 1: in the New York Daily News, shoved onto the train
Speaker 1: tracks in a subway in New York City in a
Speaker 1: random attack. This guy has now died of his injuries. Again,
Speaker 1: this person never should have been here. Then you can
Speaker 1: out an illegal alien. MS thirteen gangbanger has been sentenced
Speaker 1: to thirty five years in jail for beating and hacking
Speaker 1: a California hiker to death. You know, none of these
Speaker 1: people ever get held accountable. By the way, President Trump
Speaker 1: did score a massive court victory with the appellate ruling
Speaker 1: on iceed attention. They reversed the Minnesota District Court ruling
Speaker 1: in a two to one decision, aligning with the similar
Speaker 1: Fifth Circuit ruling last month. But illegal immigrants nabbed by
Speaker 1: ICE do not have to face bond hearings, a step
Speaker 1: that has become a potential impediment to the President's deportation agenda.
Speaker 1: Now you mentioned this case of Joe Abraham. He is
Speaker 1: the father of Katie Abraham. And listen to this guy
Speaker 1: describe how his daughter was killed by an illegal immigrant
Speaker 1: drunk driver.
Speaker 2: Listen to this.
Speaker 3: So before I began, I want you to picture something
Speaker 3: pretty ordinary. A car sitting at a red light, idol
Speaker 3: five young friends inside talking, laughing, having a normal night.
Speaker 3: My daughter, Katie was in the backseat. Car wasn't moving,
Speaker 3: it was at a red light. In a single instant,
Speaker 3: my daughter's life was gone. An intoxicated illegal immigrant slammed
Speaker 3: into the back of her car at eighty miles an hour.
Speaker 3: They never saw that coming. First responders fought to pull
Speaker 3: my daughter's dead body out of that car. She didn't survive.
Speaker 3: The man who caused the crash, Julio Kuco Boll, a
Speaker 3: Guatemala national who had already been deported, ran what was
Speaker 3: eventually captured in Milford, Texas, trying to escape the country.
Speaker 3: Despite federal authorities knowing who he was, he was able
Speaker 3: to re enter the United States in twenty twenty two
Speaker 3: and live in Illinois under a false identity because state
Speaker 3: policies and enforcement gaps failed to protect public. The public
Speaker 3: Katie deserved a future full of love, laughter in life,
Speaker 3: graduating college, building a career, falling in love, and experiencing
Speaker 3: all the joys and heartbreak of adulthood. Instead, that was
Speaker 3: stolen at a red light in a street in Illinois.
Speaker 2: The man who killed.
Speaker 3: The man who killed, or described himself in court, is
Speaker 3: unable to read or write English, even Spanish. He spoke
Speaker 3: a Kai Chi Mayan language from Guatemala, yet somehow he
Speaker 3: possessed an Illinois driver's license falid. So when a system
Speaker 3: sends signals that borders are porous, that deportations are ignored,
Speaker 3: and that enforcement is unlikely, people who are willing to
Speaker 3: ignore the law will take advantage of those conditions. That
Speaker 3: is not a complicated idea that is human behavior. It's predictable,
Speaker 3: and when those incentives exist, the consequences are not abstract.
Speaker 3: Families like mine live with them forever.
Speaker 1: I mean, this is the pain of every every victim's family,
Speaker 1: and we don't care now. Joe then got in a
Speaker 1: battle with little Dicky Durbin for failing to address him
Speaker 1: during the Senate hearing that took place yesterday. Again, all
Speaker 1: of this coming out of Illinois. But it's the same
Speaker 1: thing in New York. It's the same thing in California.
Speaker 1: It's the same thing in New Jersey. It's the same
Speaker 1: thing in blue states and blue cities all around the country.
Speaker 2: Listen, thank you in particular for being here today.
Speaker 3: Thank you.
Speaker 2: I want to extend my deepest condolences.
Speaker 3: Appreciate it. Also appreciate REKI Member Welsh and mister Padilla
Speaker 3: for recognizing that what I don't understand is why my
Speaker 3: Senator of Illinois, mister Durban, haven't heard two words from
Speaker 3: him toward me. But sorry, I want to take your time.
Speaker 3: Kind of amazing.
Speaker 2: I think it is a fair question to ask.
Speaker 3: Kind of happy he's calling it a calling it quits.
Speaker 1: Congresswoman, this is all out of your state. Do the
Speaker 1: people of Illinois want this to continue?
Speaker 6: Actually, Illinois has the votes to turn the state red
Speaker 6: if just if we could just get gun owners out
Speaker 6: to vote. The registered Republicans aren't showing up to vote,
Speaker 6: and I believe one of the reasons is that they
Speaker 6: think their vote doesn't matter. There's so much corruption in Illinois,
Speaker 6: which brings me to the issue of passing the Save
Speaker 6: America Act. I believe that the country our children are
Speaker 6: going to grow and grandchildren are going to grow up
Speaker 6: in is determined on us passing that the Senate passing that,
Speaker 6: and the Senate needs to stay and do their work.
Speaker 6: I'm hearing rumors that they want to leave. They need
Speaker 6: to stay and get their work done. They need to
Speaker 6: find dhs, they need to pass the Save America Act.
Speaker 2: No, I think that's all well said.
Speaker 1: When you speak to your fellow Democrats that are in
Speaker 1: your state, I mean, is there any wiggle room that
Speaker 1: they can reason? Is there any admission on their part
Speaker 1: that these open borders have put their citizens in jeopardy.
Speaker 1: Have you ever had a discussion about why every single
Speaker 1: weekend we can predict with a high degree of certainty
Speaker 1: how many people in Chicago are going to get shot
Speaker 1: and shot and killed. I mean, do they not care
Speaker 1: about those lives I have.
Speaker 6: I had a conversation with Congresswoman Nicki Bodinsky, she represents
Speaker 6: Champagne Urbana, and it happened to be the day that
Speaker 6: we voted on Barry Moore's bill, which would require deportation
Speaker 6: of illegals that are arrested for drunk driving. And I
Speaker 6: said to her, Niki, Katie Abraham's father is here. And
Speaker 6: it was about two months after the tragedy when she
Speaker 6: was killed, and Congresswoman Niki Bidinski looked at me and said,
Speaker 6: who is she? I said, she is the twenty year
Speaker 6: old college student killed in your district by an illegal
Speaker 6: drunk driver. And not one of Illinois's congressmen, not one
Speaker 6: the governor, nobody, no doubt Democrat, and Illinois has reached
Speaker 6: out to Joe Abraham to express condolences. They are defending
Speaker 6: their policies and they like they let the worst of
Speaker 6: the worst in and they're fighting to keep the worst
Speaker 6: of the worst here. It is. I want to tell
Speaker 6: the listeners again, this is all about replacing Americans at
Speaker 6: the polls. They want to cancel their votes to stay
Speaker 6: in power. They want a one party system. That's where
Speaker 6: we're going. And Marxist revolutionaries they use chaos to voice
Speaker 6: the revolution, and that's what they're creating by having all
Speaker 6: these illegals here.
Speaker 1: Why wouldn't any Democrat support the Save America Act, which
Speaker 1: simply requires proof of citizenship and voter id so we
Speaker 1: have integrity in our elections. Have you come to a
Speaker 1: conclusion as to why.
Speaker 6: They have Trump derangement syndrome anything that he supports there
Speaker 6: against and to their own demise? Really, because Crats and
Speaker 6: Republicans want Save America Pass, they want voter idea, they
Speaker 6: want proof of citizenship. It's not a partisan issue, just
Speaker 6: like safety in our communities, that's not a partisan issue. People.
Speaker 6: Does anything matter if you don't feel safe in your
Speaker 6: community or your home. No, we want safe communities, We
Speaker 6: want the illegals out, and we don't want our votes canceled.
Speaker 1: I don't think I could say it any better. I
Speaker 1: don't know how you work with such lunatics.
Speaker 2: In that state.
Speaker 1: Do you get mad when people like me say, if
Speaker 1: you live in Illinois, if you live in New York,
Speaker 1: if you live in California, just if you can get out,
Speaker 1: there's no point, because I don't think you can save
Speaker 1: those states. You seem optimistic you can.
Speaker 7: Well, Like I.
Speaker 6: Say, we have the votes in Illinois to turn the
Speaker 6: state red and hopefully you know we could pass save America.
Speaker 6: We can. I know Tom Finton is suing Illinois. We've
Speaker 6: got another lawsuit going to the Supreme Court about cleaning
Speaker 6: up or voter rolls, about counting ballots or not accepting
Speaker 6: ballots turned in after election day, and so I think
Speaker 6: getting election reform or really help us. But I just
Speaker 6: want to remind everybody that JB. Pritzker is sailed. He
Speaker 6: is a failed governor by every metric, and he wants
Speaker 6: to be president. It is a joke. People need to
Speaker 6: be rassed up. They need to look at their children
Speaker 6: and grandchildren and say, I need to be a force multiplier.
Speaker 6: I need to get to the polls. I need to
Speaker 6: support good candidates. It is for my children and grandchildren.
Speaker 1: I appreciate the good work that you're doing, Congresswoman. I
Speaker 1: mean it's you're fighting an uphill battle. You're dealing with
Speaker 1: the craziest of the crazy in Washington. We appreciate what
Speaker 1: your work, what you're doing, and thank you for being
Speaker 1: with us. Congresswoman Mary Miller Illinois. Thank you at eight
Speaker 1: hundred and nine to four one. Shawn is on number.
Speaker 1: If you want to be a part of the program.
Speaker 1: You know, it's been a while now since we lost
Speaker 1: Charlie Kirk. Charlie Kirk, the impact that he has had
Speaker 1: on so many people, young people in particular is incalculable.
Speaker 1: Turning point USA continues. The mission Erica now has taken
Speaker 1: the reins and that mission continues, and it's just so
Speaker 1: sad tragic what happened that day. And what's even more
Speaker 1: said is people attacking either the organization or Erica Kirk.
Speaker 1: And it's not something that I feel that anybody should
Speaker 1: be paying attention to myself, and therefore I ignore it.
Speaker 1: But I'm sure it's not fun for them to have
Speaker 1: to live through all of that. You know, people that
Speaker 1: have whatever agenda that they have.
Speaker 2: But there are a.
Speaker 1: Couple of people that shaped Charlie Kirk and his love
Speaker 1: of God, his faith, his belief system. Charlie had a
Speaker 1: quest for knowledge, at thirst that he had for knowledge,
Speaker 1: and especially when it comes to the spiritual issues in life.
Speaker 1: He had people like Pastor Rob McCoy, who married both
Speaker 1: Charlie and Erica also was very good friends with Frank Turk,
Speaker 1: and Frank Turk was basically he teaches apologetics, which is
Speaker 1: the defense of Christianity using logic and scripture combined. And
Speaker 1: if you haven't read anything, David Limbaugh, my friend of
Speaker 1: many years, Russia's brother, has written many books on it himself.
Speaker 1: Frank Turk has also I don't have enough faith to
Speaker 1: be an atheist. And anyway, was a mentor friend to
Speaker 1: Charlie Kirk, who is about twenty five feet away from
Speaker 1: him when he was assassinated. And today he's going back
Speaker 1: to basically the scene of the crime. He's going back
Speaker 1: to Utah Valley University and addressing the kids out there.
Speaker 1: Give him a lot of credit for this. And Frank,
Speaker 1: it's great to have you back on the show. Thank
Speaker 1: you for being with us. How are you doing, how's
Speaker 1: Erica doing? How's the turning Point family?
Speaker 7: Sean? Thanks for having me on. Erica. I just spoke
Speaker 7: to her yesterday and she's poling through. But as you
Speaker 7: just said, it's really unconscionable that people would be attacking
Speaker 7: a widow, and a widow who has two young children.
Speaker 7: She's innocent, Sean, and it pains me to even have
Speaker 7: to say that. It's obvious. But Sean, you know, as
Speaker 7: you always quote on your show, Let not your heart
Speaker 7: be troubled. That's from John chapter fourteen.
Speaker 1: Now, my heart's trouble when people are being mean. My
Speaker 1: heart's troubled when people can't have empathy or sympathy for
Speaker 1: what other people go through. I can't stand when people
Speaker 1: try to build themselves up by knocking other people down.
Speaker 2: I don't like that either.
Speaker 7: Well, here's the interesting part, Sean, both the Apostles and
Speaker 7: Jesus called Satan a murderer, liar, accuser, and slanderer who
Speaker 7: wants to destroy Sean, we had a murder six months
Speaker 7: months ago. What have we had since then? We've had lies, accusations,
Speaker 7: slander to try and destroy an innocent widow and her
Speaker 7: organization that Charlie built. If you're calling yourself a friend
Speaker 7: of Charlie, how on earth are you attacking his widow
Speaker 7: and the organization that he built, A phenomenal organization. Some
Speaker 7: of the finest people I've ever met are at Turning
Speaker 7: Point USA.
Speaker 1: Well, what does the Bible tell us, you know, lie?
Speaker 1: What does it lie, steal and destroy?
Speaker 7: Yes?
Speaker 2: I mean.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, so it is co user and a slanderer.
Speaker 7: You know.
Speaker 1: I want you to explain because one of my some
Speaker 1: of my more favorite moments on this radio show to
Speaker 1: do and I don't do it probably often enough, but
Speaker 1: somebody will call in and they're an atheist, and I'll
Speaker 1: have a long discussion with them, and this is how
Speaker 1: I argue to them. And yes, I'm a Christian. Yes
Speaker 1: I was raised Catholic, but I'm more non denominational at
Speaker 1: this point in my life.
Speaker 2: But I believe the Gospel.
Speaker 1: I believe in the Old Testament, I believe in the
Speaker 1: New Testament, and I believe that America was founded on
Speaker 1: Judeo Christian principles. Our founders and framers referenced it often,
Speaker 1: and some of the great philosophers back in the day.
Speaker 1: And when people call this program and I will ask them,
Speaker 1: you know, or they'll say to me, or they'll state
Speaker 1: to me that how can I believe in a God?
Speaker 1: And why does God allow bad things to happen to
Speaker 1: good people? And We've had many of these discussions over
Speaker 1: the years on this program, and this is my take
Speaker 1: on it. Because to be an atheist, I argue, you
Speaker 1: have to believe that something came from nothing, And I'll
Speaker 1: at some point I'll get them to admit they believe
Speaker 1: that the Big Bang theory occurred. And then I'll say, okay, well,
Speaker 1: where did all of those elements come from that collided together,
Speaker 1: that somehow magically created universes within universes within universes within
Speaker 1: universes within universes. And then you get into the specific
Speaker 1: detail everything from an ant to a caterpillar to wildlife
Speaker 1: to humanity and so on and so forth, and the
Speaker 1: water and the seas and the sun and the stars
Speaker 1: and the sky, etc. And what we know and how
Speaker 1: did all of that just happen? And they never have
Speaker 1: a good answer for that. And this is the stuff
Speaker 1: that you and Charlie would talk about a lot, if
Speaker 1: I'm not mistaken.
Speaker 7: Yes, of course, Jean, You're absolutely right. Here's what even
Speaker 7: atheists today are admitting. Like for example, Stephen Hawking hes
Speaker 7: since passed away, but he said, almost everyone now believes
Speaker 7: that the universe and time itself at a beginning at
Speaker 7: the Big Bang. That's what the evidence shows. Now. He
Speaker 7: tried to come up with another explanation other than God
Speaker 7: shan but who else could it be? If space, time,
Speaker 7: and matter had a beginning out of nothing. Whatever created space,
Speaker 7: time and matter has to be outside of space, time
Speaker 7: and matter. In other words, the cause must be spaceless, timeless, immaterial,
Speaker 7: powerful to create the universe out of nothing, personal in
Speaker 7: order to choose to create, and also intelligent to have
Speaker 7: a mind to create. Now, whenever I asked atheist or
Speaker 7: even anybody, when you think about a spaceless, timeless, immaterial, powerful, personal,
Speaker 7: intelligent cause, who do you think of? Well, it's obviously
Speaker 7: a being like God. And when you look at the
Speaker 7: evidence that Jesus really did die and rise from the dead,
Speaker 7: then you can go back and say that the same
Speaker 7: being that walked out of the tomb one thousand, nine
Speaker 7: hundred and ninety three years ago next week Sean is
Speaker 7: the same being who created the universe out of nothing
Speaker 7: in his divine nature or by his divine nature. That's
Speaker 7: what Christians believe, and we believe that because there's evidence
Speaker 7: for this. There's evidence that God exists, and there's evidence
Speaker 7: that Jesus rose in the dead. And by the way,
Speaker 7: that's why I can go to Utah Valley University tonight,
Speaker 7: Shan and show people the evidence that Christianity is true
Speaker 7: and then give them hope that there's life beyond this
Speaker 7: grave by trusting in what Jesus did. Charlie did that.
Speaker 7: So Charlie right now is absent from the body but
Speaker 7: present with the Lord. The rest of us are here
Speaker 7: to continue his mission, the mission Jesus gave us, and
Speaker 7: that is to make disciples of all nations.
Speaker 2: One Bible verse that gives me so much hope.
Speaker 1: But then there are many of them, and yeah, I
Speaker 1: do quote, let not your heart be troubled. I go
Speaker 1: and prepare a place for you, so that where I am,
Speaker 1: ye shall also be, and in my father's house or
Speaker 1: many mansions.
Speaker 2: And that's what He's preparing for all of us. I
Speaker 2: believe all of that.
Speaker 1: And then the Bible also says the eye hath not seen,
Speaker 1: nor has the ear heard, nor has it entered into
Speaker 1: the heart of man, what God has instored for those
Speaker 1: that love the truth. And that another point in the Bible.
Speaker 1: You know an almighty, all powerful, all living creator of
Speaker 1: the heavens and earth and everything in between, that the
Speaker 1: very hairs of our head are counted, and that God
Speaker 1: is very very aware. I mean, it's we're not designed
Speaker 1: as human beings to comprehend God's majesty.
Speaker 7: Are we not completely We can't, Sean. But if we
Speaker 7: want to know who God is in a personal way,
Speaker 7: we look at Jesus. So we're going to go over
Speaker 7: there and it's at nine pm Eastern. We're going to
Speaker 7: live stream it on our YouTube channel to Cross Examined
Speaker 7: YouTube channel two words Cross examines. Those people who are
Speaker 7: not near Orum Utah want to see this, they can
Speaker 7: and we're going to take a lot of questions, Sean.
Speaker 1: So what do we glean from from the Bible in
Speaker 1: terms of you know, you talk about the life of Jesus,
Speaker 1: and Jesus gives us glimpses into what the future holds
Speaker 1: for us. That there is life beyond this body, where mind,
Speaker 1: body and spirit, and that our spirit will live on.
Speaker 1: And I think that gives a lot of people hope.
Speaker 1: It certainly gives me hope. And you know, I do
Speaker 1: believe with all my heart that people that are believers
Speaker 1: that they will be in paradise one day. I mean,
Speaker 1: Jesus on the cross turned to one of the people
Speaker 1: to asside and that person said, I deserve to be here.
Speaker 1: You don't, And he said, this day you will be
Speaker 1: with me in paradise. That's how he describes heaven. That's
Speaker 1: pretty profound.
Speaker 7: Yes it is, Sean. And right now, as we said,
Speaker 7: Charlie is absent from the body, present with the Lord.
Speaker 7: But one day he's going to be resurrected, and the
Speaker 7: rest of us or in the Lord, are going to
Speaker 7: be resurrected, and we're going to be with Jesus and
Speaker 7: our loved ones forever those that have accepted what Christ
Speaker 7: has done and repent. But a lot of times I
Speaker 7: talk to atheists and I asked them this question, Sean,
Speaker 7: or even people who are not Christians. I ask them,
Speaker 7: if Christianity were true, would you become a Christian? And
Speaker 7: I've had many of them say no, Sean, because it's
Speaker 7: not a matter of the head. Quite often, it's often
Speaker 7: a matter of the heart. They don't want it to
Speaker 7: be true. They don't want there to be a God
Speaker 7: because they want to be God over their own lives.
Speaker 7: So they're not really on a truth quest, venus quest.
Speaker 7: And so I always ask that question to see where
Speaker 7: they are really open to Christianity. If they are open,
Speaker 7: I'll give them some evidence. If they're not, I'll just
Speaker 7: pray ask them to reconsider why wouldn't you believe something
Speaker 7: that really was true? Christianity true is evidence for it?
Speaker 2: Well, I think so too.
Speaker 1: I mean I actually in many cases have found that
Speaker 1: I feel sorry for people in the end because they
Speaker 1: just don't have the hope that we have. All right,
Speaker 1: quick break, we'll come right back. We'll continue Charlie Kirk's
Speaker 1: pastor going back to Utah Valley University. This is the
Speaker 1: first return since the assassination of Charlie to talk to
Speaker 1: students there. Anyway, we'll continue more with Frank turn on
Speaker 1: the other side. Eighty one, Shawn is a number. We'll
Speaker 1: also get your calls in as we continue across the
Speaker 1: program today straight ahead. Three hours a day is all
Speaker 1: we ask on the Sean Hannity Show, So please join us,
Speaker 1: but just don't be late. Sean Hannity is John. All right,
Speaker 1: we continue with Pastor Frank Turk. Now he was one
Speaker 1: of Charlie Kirk's closest friends mentor spiritual advisor. Teaches apologetics,
Speaker 1: which is Christian apologetics, which makes the case for God
Speaker 1: both logically and biblically. He is making a return tonight.
Speaker 1: He's going on Utah Valley University, the location where Charlie
Speaker 1: was assassinated. One of the things that stood out to me.
Speaker 1: And I want to get your take on this because
Speaker 1: you're the expert. I'm not, and I'm asking just more
Speaker 1: out of curiosity, how you interpret this. When Moses was
Speaker 1: on Mountain Sinai and he asked God, and who appeared
Speaker 1: to him before burning bush that didn't burn? Who should
Speaker 1: I say sent me? And he said I am Now.
Speaker 1: I interpret that to mean that God always was, always
Speaker 1: will be forever and is always present. And that is
Speaker 1: something too that the human mind really can't fathom because
Speaker 1: we live in a world that is measured by time,
Speaker 1: and that infers to me that God has timeless thoughts.
Speaker 7: Yeah, He's outside of time, That's what I am mean.
Speaker 7: He is this self existent, eternal one, the being that
Speaker 7: had no beginning, the bean that will have no and
Speaker 7: the bean that just be sean. It just this being
Speaker 7: gives life to everything else that exists. So this being
Speaker 7: is this self existing eternal being. What Aristotle, who didn't
Speaker 7: know everything about God but knew enough to say, there
Speaker 7: has to be an unmoved mover. There has to be
Speaker 7: a bean who has always existed, who actually creates everything
Speaker 7: else that exists, and that's what we mean by God's nature.
Speaker 7: So yes, and when Jesus said to the crowd around
Speaker 7: him in John chapter eight, before Abraham was born, I
Speaker 7: am What he's essentially saying is I am Yahweh, I
Speaker 7: am God. And that's why they picked up stones to
Speaker 7: stone him. That's why he was killed, Sean, because he
Speaker 7: claimed to be God, and that was blasphemy to the Jews.
Speaker 7: So he was claiming to be the great. I am,
Speaker 7: the self existing, eternal One.
Speaker 1: Well, we really appreciate it. We wish you the best
Speaker 1: of luck. Pastor Frank Turk, thank you for being with us.
Speaker 1: He's at Utah Valley University and you may want to
Speaker 1: check out his book. I don't have enough faith to
Speaker 1: be in the atheist shaate your time and all you
Speaker 1: did for Charlie in the course of his life. Uh
Speaker 1: and our prayers are with the organization, with Erica, with
Speaker 1: their children, et cetera.
Speaker 2: Please pass on our best wishes.
Speaker 7: God bless you. Sean. Thanks for being a beacon of
Speaker 7: light every night on Fox News and on the radio.
Speaker 7: Appreciate brother.
Speaker 1: I'm trying. I'm I'm doing my best. I'm just a
Speaker 1: mere vessel here I'm giving it my best shot.