1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,680 Speaker 1: Our two Sean Hannity show told Free It is eight 2 00:00:02,800 --> 00:00:05,320 Speaker 1: hundred and ninety four one Sean, if you want to 3 00:00:05,320 --> 00:00:08,680 Speaker 1: be a part of the program. It is mind numbing 4 00:00:08,840 --> 00:00:12,800 Speaker 1: to me that we lose this eighteen year old girl 5 00:00:14,640 --> 00:00:18,720 Speaker 1: at a loyal university. He's a freshman. He should be 6 00:00:18,760 --> 00:00:22,799 Speaker 1: alive today. It is it has been disgusting the way 7 00:00:23,120 --> 00:00:26,480 Speaker 1: some people have reacted to this or named Sheridan Gorman, 8 00:00:27,000 --> 00:00:30,360 Speaker 1: and according to eyewitnesses, was killed in cold blood by 9 00:00:30,360 --> 00:00:33,920 Speaker 1: a Biden Harris Mayorcus illegal and by the way, this 10 00:00:34,000 --> 00:00:37,159 Speaker 1: guy they led into the country unvetted and then a 11 00:00:37,200 --> 00:00:40,600 Speaker 1: month later is arrested for shoplifting and again they let him, 12 00:00:40,880 --> 00:00:41,760 Speaker 1: let him go free. 13 00:00:42,520 --> 00:00:43,600 Speaker 2: He should be alive today. 14 00:00:43,640 --> 00:00:47,600 Speaker 1: When I say that these Democrats, starting with Biden, Harris 15 00:00:47,640 --> 00:00:51,000 Speaker 1: Mayorcus and all these people leading sanctuary cities and states, 16 00:00:51,400 --> 00:00:53,440 Speaker 1: that they have blood on their hands, I mean it 17 00:00:54,000 --> 00:00:57,880 Speaker 1: because if they were responsible and not reckless, if they 18 00:00:57,880 --> 00:01:02,920 Speaker 1: didn't have an agenda that encouraged and supported law breaking, 19 00:01:03,640 --> 00:01:06,959 Speaker 1: well Sheridan Gorman would be alive today. You know you 20 00:01:07,000 --> 00:01:10,280 Speaker 1: have the idiot Governor JB. Pritzker. Well, it's safe here now, 21 00:01:10,480 --> 00:01:13,600 Speaker 1: it's usually safe here. I mean it was so cold, 22 00:01:13,680 --> 00:01:19,319 Speaker 1: so callous. It's what part of this young woman losing 23 00:01:19,360 --> 00:01:22,480 Speaker 1: her life are you not sympathetic to? And then trying 24 00:01:22,800 --> 00:01:25,560 Speaker 1: to blame Donald Trump for this, and then you have 25 00:01:25,640 --> 00:01:30,480 Speaker 1: this dopey mayor in Chicago, Brandon Johnson saying that Sheridan 26 00:01:30,520 --> 00:01:34,240 Speaker 1: Gorman's death will not deter him from trying to abolish ice. 27 00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:38,080 Speaker 1: Is has been arresting the murderers, the known terrorists, the 28 00:01:38,160 --> 00:01:43,600 Speaker 1: child molesters, the rapists, the other violent criminals, the Cartelling 29 00:01:43,680 --> 00:01:46,760 Speaker 1: gang members. If they don't do it, who's going to 30 00:01:46,840 --> 00:01:50,280 Speaker 1: do it? And here's what Brandon Johnson said. 31 00:01:50,640 --> 00:01:55,960 Speaker 3: Did you reconsider scheduled rescheduling this event given the Sheridan. 32 00:01:55,600 --> 00:01:58,320 Speaker 2: Gorman by an undocumented immigrant. 33 00:02:00,240 --> 00:02:06,400 Speaker 4: Look, as I've said before, my condolences to the family 34 00:02:06,760 --> 00:02:12,720 Speaker 4: of Sheridan. This is a terrible tragedy. And what I've 35 00:02:12,760 --> 00:02:16,080 Speaker 4: said from the very beginning, I'm going to continue to 36 00:02:16,160 --> 00:02:19,840 Speaker 4: use every single tool that's available to me to protect 37 00:02:19,840 --> 00:02:24,600 Speaker 4: the residents of the city of Chicago. And this tragedy 38 00:02:25,240 --> 00:02:28,120 Speaker 4: is not going to deter us from our work. In fact, 39 00:02:28,280 --> 00:02:30,320 Speaker 4: it's going to challenge us all to double down on 40 00:02:30,360 --> 00:02:33,480 Speaker 4: our efforts to ensure that we are protecting every single 41 00:02:33,520 --> 00:02:35,760 Speaker 4: individual across neighborhoods. 42 00:02:36,280 --> 00:02:39,120 Speaker 1: Then you have an older woman by the name of 43 00:02:39,200 --> 00:02:43,920 Speaker 1: Maria Hadden pretty much blaming the victim in this case, 44 00:02:43,960 --> 00:02:47,919 Speaker 1: Sheridan Gorman, for her own murder by saying, well, this 45 00:02:48,639 --> 00:02:51,440 Speaker 1: has been like a wrong place, wrong time situation. Here's 46 00:02:51,440 --> 00:02:52,120 Speaker 1: what she said. 47 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:54,919 Speaker 5: You know, people go out to the beach all the time, 48 00:02:55,000 --> 00:02:56,560 Speaker 5: right and they go out on the pier, they walk 49 00:02:56,600 --> 00:02:59,200 Speaker 5: around so that the kids are out doing normal, normal 50 00:02:59,200 --> 00:03:02,600 Speaker 5: things people do in neighborhood. And it sounds like this 51 00:03:02,680 --> 00:03:05,320 Speaker 5: might have been a wrong place, wrong time running into 52 00:03:05,600 --> 00:03:07,799 Speaker 5: a person who had a gun. They might have startled 53 00:03:07,800 --> 00:03:12,480 Speaker 5: this person at the end of the year unintentionally. But 54 00:03:12,680 --> 00:03:13,640 Speaker 5: that's that's all we know. 55 00:03:15,320 --> 00:03:17,639 Speaker 2: That's all we know. Wrong place, wrong time. 56 00:03:17,639 --> 00:03:20,600 Speaker 1: The only person in the wrong place at the wrong 57 00:03:20,680 --> 00:03:25,880 Speaker 1: time that never should have been there is this venezuelan 58 00:03:26,080 --> 00:03:29,600 Speaker 1: illegal that was let go not once but twice by 59 00:03:29,600 --> 00:03:33,120 Speaker 1: the Biden administration. And how many more people have to 60 00:03:33,160 --> 00:03:35,480 Speaker 1: be victims of crime. This goes to what I said 61 00:03:35,600 --> 00:03:39,000 Speaker 1: over a year ago at the Joint Session speech speech, 62 00:03:39,080 --> 00:03:42,800 Speaker 1: Democrats have lost their heart, their conscience, their soul. We've 63 00:03:42,840 --> 00:03:46,320 Speaker 1: got everything so asked backwards in this country. It's breathtaking 64 00:03:46,360 --> 00:03:50,160 Speaker 1: at times. Anyway, Congresswoman Mary Miller of Illinois is with us, 65 00:03:50,200 --> 00:03:52,600 Speaker 1: She too is disgusted by all of this. Glad you 66 00:03:52,640 --> 00:03:54,880 Speaker 1: could be with us. Well, you work with some real 67 00:03:54,920 --> 00:03:55,720 Speaker 1: winners over there. 68 00:03:56,760 --> 00:03:58,600 Speaker 6: I do, and I can tell you it's a mother 69 00:03:58,800 --> 00:04:03,720 Speaker 6: and a grandmother. This is painful, it's outrageous. I've talked 70 00:04:03,720 --> 00:04:08,960 Speaker 6: to another victims family, Katie Abraham, was also killed by 71 00:04:09,000 --> 00:04:13,880 Speaker 6: illegals in Illinois, and they are suffering. Joe Abraham has 72 00:04:13,920 --> 00:04:17,000 Speaker 6: said that their family will serve a life sentence over this. 73 00:04:17,160 --> 00:04:20,640 Speaker 6: But I want to highlight that it's Pritsker and the 74 00:04:20,720 --> 00:04:25,159 Speaker 6: Democrats sanctuary policies that created the conditions for this tragedy. 75 00:04:25,720 --> 00:04:30,159 Speaker 6: And it's interesting the lunatic left, even the deaths of 76 00:04:30,200 --> 00:04:33,159 Speaker 6: Americans does not deter them from their mission, which is 77 00:04:33,240 --> 00:04:37,720 Speaker 6: to replace Americans with illegal votes so that they can 78 00:04:37,800 --> 00:04:40,880 Speaker 6: maintain power. That's what this is all about. Opening the 79 00:04:40,920 --> 00:04:44,920 Speaker 6: border and now refusing to fund DHS. They don't want 80 00:04:44,960 --> 00:04:48,880 Speaker 6: to fund DHS because they don't want ice enforcement. They 81 00:04:48,880 --> 00:04:52,919 Speaker 6: don't want these criminal illegal aliens supported, not even murders 82 00:04:52,960 --> 00:04:53,840 Speaker 6: and rapists. 83 00:04:54,160 --> 00:04:56,560 Speaker 1: All right, So we have other stories out today. You 84 00:04:56,600 --> 00:05:01,400 Speaker 1: have one deranged fellow House member, a Democrat now accusing 85 00:05:01,440 --> 00:05:06,080 Speaker 1: ICE of carrying out rogue terrorist attacks on American citizens, 86 00:05:06,200 --> 00:05:09,159 Speaker 1: which is just nothing but an outright lie. And this 87 00:05:09,279 --> 00:05:13,960 Speaker 1: is Representative Julie Johnson during a House Homeland Security Committee 88 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:19,720 Speaker 1: hearing yesterday blaming the DHS funding laps on Republicans. Now, 89 00:05:19,960 --> 00:05:23,480 Speaker 1: the Democrats have had five opportunities in the US Senate 90 00:05:23,800 --> 00:05:26,760 Speaker 1: to open up the government and to fund FEMA and 91 00:05:26,880 --> 00:05:30,719 Speaker 1: TSA and the Coastguard and the Secret Service and ICE, 92 00:05:31,120 --> 00:05:33,720 Speaker 1: and they refuse to do so. And yet they want 93 00:05:33,720 --> 00:05:37,120 Speaker 1: to They want to refer to, you know, ICE agents 94 00:05:37,200 --> 00:05:40,000 Speaker 1: that have been arresting all of these dangerous criminals, as 95 00:05:41,400 --> 00:05:44,039 Speaker 1: you know, as terrorists in this country. Then we have 96 00:05:44,080 --> 00:05:47,520 Speaker 1: a case of an elderly Air Force veteran, this is 97 00:05:47,520 --> 00:05:50,400 Speaker 1: in the New York Daily News, shoved onto the train 98 00:05:50,560 --> 00:05:53,680 Speaker 1: tracks in a subway in New York City in a 99 00:05:53,760 --> 00:05:57,599 Speaker 1: random attack. This guy has now died of his injuries. Again, 100 00:05:57,720 --> 00:05:59,960 Speaker 1: this person never should have been here. Then you can 101 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:03,480 Speaker 1: out an illegal alien. MS thirteen gangbanger has been sentenced 102 00:06:03,480 --> 00:06:06,560 Speaker 1: to thirty five years in jail for beating and hacking 103 00:06:06,560 --> 00:06:09,440 Speaker 1: a California hiker to death. You know, none of these 104 00:06:09,480 --> 00:06:12,599 Speaker 1: people ever get held accountable. By the way, President Trump 105 00:06:12,600 --> 00:06:16,719 Speaker 1: did score a massive court victory with the appellate ruling 106 00:06:16,760 --> 00:06:20,000 Speaker 1: on iceed attention. They reversed the Minnesota District Court ruling 107 00:06:20,360 --> 00:06:22,560 Speaker 1: in a two to one decision, aligning with the similar 108 00:06:22,920 --> 00:06:26,560 Speaker 1: Fifth Circuit ruling last month. But illegal immigrants nabbed by 109 00:06:26,640 --> 00:06:29,119 Speaker 1: ICE do not have to face bond hearings, a step 110 00:06:29,160 --> 00:06:33,600 Speaker 1: that has become a potential impediment to the President's deportation agenda. 111 00:06:34,320 --> 00:06:37,680 Speaker 1: Now you mentioned this case of Joe Abraham. He is 112 00:06:37,800 --> 00:06:41,000 Speaker 1: the father of Katie Abraham. And listen to this guy 113 00:06:41,120 --> 00:06:44,440 Speaker 1: describe how his daughter was killed by an illegal immigrant 114 00:06:44,480 --> 00:06:45,040 Speaker 1: drunk driver. 115 00:06:45,200 --> 00:06:45,760 Speaker 2: Listen to this. 116 00:06:46,640 --> 00:06:49,200 Speaker 3: So before I began, I want you to picture something 117 00:06:49,279 --> 00:06:52,480 Speaker 3: pretty ordinary. A car sitting at a red light, idol 118 00:06:53,080 --> 00:06:57,040 Speaker 3: five young friends inside talking, laughing, having a normal night. 119 00:06:58,480 --> 00:07:01,320 Speaker 3: My daughter, Katie was in the backseat. Car wasn't moving, 120 00:07:01,440 --> 00:07:04,560 Speaker 3: it was at a red light. In a single instant, 121 00:07:04,760 --> 00:07:09,239 Speaker 3: my daughter's life was gone. An intoxicated illegal immigrant slammed 122 00:07:09,240 --> 00:07:11,080 Speaker 3: into the back of her car at eighty miles an hour. 123 00:07:11,840 --> 00:07:16,440 Speaker 3: They never saw that coming. First responders fought to pull 124 00:07:16,520 --> 00:07:21,320 Speaker 3: my daughter's dead body out of that car. She didn't survive. 125 00:07:23,200 --> 00:07:25,960 Speaker 3: The man who caused the crash, Julio Kuco Boll, a 126 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:31,720 Speaker 3: Guatemala national who had already been deported, ran what was 127 00:07:31,760 --> 00:07:35,080 Speaker 3: eventually captured in Milford, Texas, trying to escape the country. 128 00:07:36,200 --> 00:07:40,360 Speaker 3: Despite federal authorities knowing who he was, he was able 129 00:07:40,360 --> 00:07:42,600 Speaker 3: to re enter the United States in twenty twenty two 130 00:07:43,040 --> 00:07:47,200 Speaker 3: and live in Illinois under a false identity because state 131 00:07:47,320 --> 00:07:51,600 Speaker 3: policies and enforcement gaps failed to protect public. The public 132 00:07:52,280 --> 00:07:55,280 Speaker 3: Katie deserved a future full of love, laughter in life, 133 00:07:55,360 --> 00:07:59,640 Speaker 3: graduating college, building a career, falling in love, and experiencing 134 00:07:59,640 --> 00:08:04,280 Speaker 3: all the joys and heartbreak of adulthood. Instead, that was 135 00:08:04,320 --> 00:08:08,120 Speaker 3: stolen at a red light in a street in Illinois. 136 00:08:09,480 --> 00:08:10,360 Speaker 2: The man who killed. 137 00:08:11,280 --> 00:08:13,480 Speaker 3: The man who killed, or described himself in court, is 138 00:08:13,600 --> 00:08:16,880 Speaker 3: unable to read or write English, even Spanish. He spoke 139 00:08:16,920 --> 00:08:21,880 Speaker 3: a Kai Chi Mayan language from Guatemala, yet somehow he 140 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:26,400 Speaker 3: possessed an Illinois driver's license falid. So when a system 141 00:08:26,440 --> 00:08:30,080 Speaker 3: sends signals that borders are porous, that deportations are ignored, 142 00:08:30,160 --> 00:08:34,240 Speaker 3: and that enforcement is unlikely, people who are willing to 143 00:08:34,280 --> 00:08:37,360 Speaker 3: ignore the law will take advantage of those conditions. That 144 00:08:37,520 --> 00:08:43,160 Speaker 3: is not a complicated idea that is human behavior. It's predictable, 145 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:47,800 Speaker 3: and when those incentives exist, the consequences are not abstract. 146 00:08:48,600 --> 00:08:50,680 Speaker 3: Families like mine live with them forever. 147 00:08:52,280 --> 00:08:56,959 Speaker 1: I mean, this is the pain of every every victim's family, 148 00:08:57,559 --> 00:09:01,600 Speaker 1: and we don't care now. Joe then got in a 149 00:09:01,679 --> 00:09:06,040 Speaker 1: battle with little Dicky Durbin for failing to address him 150 00:09:06,720 --> 00:09:09,640 Speaker 1: during the Senate hearing that took place yesterday. Again, all 151 00:09:09,679 --> 00:09:12,160 Speaker 1: of this coming out of Illinois. But it's the same 152 00:09:12,200 --> 00:09:15,040 Speaker 1: thing in New York. It's the same thing in California. 153 00:09:15,080 --> 00:09:17,679 Speaker 1: It's the same thing in New Jersey. It's the same 154 00:09:17,679 --> 00:09:20,400 Speaker 1: thing in blue states and blue cities all around the country. 155 00:09:20,600 --> 00:09:24,640 Speaker 2: Listen, thank you in particular for being here today. 156 00:09:25,240 --> 00:09:25,600 Speaker 3: Thank you. 157 00:09:26,040 --> 00:09:28,920 Speaker 2: I want to extend my deepest condolences. 158 00:09:29,040 --> 00:09:33,280 Speaker 3: Appreciate it. Also appreciate REKI Member Welsh and mister Padilla 159 00:09:33,679 --> 00:09:36,600 Speaker 3: for recognizing that what I don't understand is why my 160 00:09:36,760 --> 00:09:41,160 Speaker 3: Senator of Illinois, mister Durban, haven't heard two words from 161 00:09:41,240 --> 00:09:43,800 Speaker 3: him toward me. But sorry, I want to take your time. 162 00:09:44,320 --> 00:09:45,040 Speaker 3: Kind of amazing. 163 00:09:45,679 --> 00:09:47,440 Speaker 2: I think it is a fair question to ask. 164 00:09:47,600 --> 00:09:50,880 Speaker 3: Kind of happy he's calling it a calling it quits. 165 00:09:52,480 --> 00:09:56,120 Speaker 1: Congresswoman, this is all out of your state. Do the 166 00:09:56,160 --> 00:09:59,439 Speaker 1: people of Illinois want this to continue? 167 00:10:00,600 --> 00:10:05,080 Speaker 6: Actually, Illinois has the votes to turn the state red 168 00:10:05,160 --> 00:10:07,520 Speaker 6: if just if we could just get gun owners out 169 00:10:07,520 --> 00:10:11,280 Speaker 6: to vote. The registered Republicans aren't showing up to vote, 170 00:10:11,320 --> 00:10:14,040 Speaker 6: and I believe one of the reasons is that they 171 00:10:14,120 --> 00:10:17,120 Speaker 6: think their vote doesn't matter. There's so much corruption in Illinois, 172 00:10:17,160 --> 00:10:20,200 Speaker 6: which brings me to the issue of passing the Save 173 00:10:20,280 --> 00:10:24,040 Speaker 6: America Act. I believe that the country our children are 174 00:10:24,040 --> 00:10:25,960 Speaker 6: going to grow and grandchildren are going to grow up 175 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:32,480 Speaker 6: in is determined on us passing that the Senate passing that, 176 00:10:33,040 --> 00:10:35,640 Speaker 6: and the Senate needs to stay and do their work. 177 00:10:35,679 --> 00:10:38,319 Speaker 6: I'm hearing rumors that they want to leave. They need 178 00:10:38,360 --> 00:10:41,400 Speaker 6: to stay and get their work done. They need to 179 00:10:41,440 --> 00:10:44,480 Speaker 6: find dhs, they need to pass the Save America Act. 180 00:10:45,559 --> 00:10:47,120 Speaker 2: No, I think that's all well said. 181 00:10:47,160 --> 00:10:51,439 Speaker 1: When you speak to your fellow Democrats that are in 182 00:10:51,480 --> 00:10:55,000 Speaker 1: your state, I mean, is there any wiggle room that 183 00:10:55,040 --> 00:10:57,720 Speaker 1: they can reason? Is there any admission on their part 184 00:10:57,800 --> 00:11:01,560 Speaker 1: that these open borders have put their citizens in jeopardy. 185 00:11:02,280 --> 00:11:05,360 Speaker 1: Have you ever had a discussion about why every single 186 00:11:05,440 --> 00:11:08,600 Speaker 1: weekend we can predict with a high degree of certainty 187 00:11:08,920 --> 00:11:11,240 Speaker 1: how many people in Chicago are going to get shot 188 00:11:11,280 --> 00:11:13,880 Speaker 1: and shot and killed. I mean, do they not care 189 00:11:13,920 --> 00:11:16,240 Speaker 1: about those lives I have. 190 00:11:16,360 --> 00:11:21,599 Speaker 6: I had a conversation with Congresswoman Nicki Bodinsky, she represents 191 00:11:21,880 --> 00:11:25,040 Speaker 6: Champagne Urbana, and it happened to be the day that 192 00:11:25,120 --> 00:11:29,600 Speaker 6: we voted on Barry Moore's bill, which would require deportation 193 00:11:29,800 --> 00:11:32,800 Speaker 6: of illegals that are arrested for drunk driving. And I 194 00:11:32,880 --> 00:11:37,240 Speaker 6: said to her, Niki, Katie Abraham's father is here. And 195 00:11:37,280 --> 00:11:40,720 Speaker 6: it was about two months after the tragedy when she 196 00:11:40,880 --> 00:11:44,920 Speaker 6: was killed, and Congresswoman Niki Bidinski looked at me and said, 197 00:11:44,920 --> 00:11:48,480 Speaker 6: who is she? I said, she is the twenty year 198 00:11:48,520 --> 00:11:52,240 Speaker 6: old college student killed in your district by an illegal 199 00:11:52,360 --> 00:11:57,199 Speaker 6: drunk driver. And not one of Illinois's congressmen, not one 200 00:11:57,720 --> 00:12:01,520 Speaker 6: the governor, nobody, no doubt Democrat, and Illinois has reached 201 00:12:01,520 --> 00:12:06,160 Speaker 6: out to Joe Abraham to express condolences. They are defending 202 00:12:06,200 --> 00:12:09,599 Speaker 6: their policies and they like they let the worst of 203 00:12:09,640 --> 00:12:11,960 Speaker 6: the worst in and they're fighting to keep the worst 204 00:12:11,960 --> 00:12:14,280 Speaker 6: of the worst here. It is. I want to tell 205 00:12:14,280 --> 00:12:19,080 Speaker 6: the listeners again, this is all about replacing Americans at 206 00:12:19,080 --> 00:12:21,800 Speaker 6: the polls. They want to cancel their votes to stay 207 00:12:21,800 --> 00:12:25,040 Speaker 6: in power. They want a one party system. That's where 208 00:12:25,040 --> 00:12:31,080 Speaker 6: we're going. And Marxist revolutionaries they use chaos to voice 209 00:12:31,120 --> 00:12:34,320 Speaker 6: the revolution, and that's what they're creating by having all 210 00:12:34,360 --> 00:12:35,520 Speaker 6: these illegals here. 211 00:12:36,679 --> 00:12:40,760 Speaker 1: Why wouldn't any Democrat support the Save America Act, which 212 00:12:40,760 --> 00:12:45,520 Speaker 1: simply requires proof of citizenship and voter id so we 213 00:12:45,559 --> 00:12:48,440 Speaker 1: have integrity in our elections. Have you come to a 214 00:12:48,480 --> 00:12:51,920 Speaker 1: conclusion as to why. 215 00:12:51,559 --> 00:12:55,719 Speaker 6: They have Trump derangement syndrome anything that he supports there 216 00:12:55,760 --> 00:13:01,040 Speaker 6: against and to their own demise? Really, because Crats and 217 00:13:01,160 --> 00:13:04,360 Speaker 6: Republicans want Save America Pass, they want voter idea, they 218 00:13:04,360 --> 00:13:08,160 Speaker 6: want proof of citizenship. It's not a partisan issue, just 219 00:13:08,280 --> 00:13:12,440 Speaker 6: like safety in our communities, that's not a partisan issue. People. 220 00:13:12,679 --> 00:13:15,439 Speaker 6: Does anything matter if you don't feel safe in your 221 00:13:15,440 --> 00:13:19,160 Speaker 6: community or your home. No, we want safe communities, We 222 00:13:19,200 --> 00:13:22,120 Speaker 6: want the illegals out, and we don't want our votes canceled. 223 00:13:23,240 --> 00:13:25,400 Speaker 1: I don't think I could say it any better. I 224 00:13:25,440 --> 00:13:28,920 Speaker 1: don't know how you work with such lunatics. 225 00:13:28,280 --> 00:13:28,880 Speaker 2: In that state. 226 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:32,400 Speaker 1: Do you get mad when people like me say, if 227 00:13:32,440 --> 00:13:34,400 Speaker 1: you live in Illinois, if you live in New York, 228 00:13:34,440 --> 00:13:36,840 Speaker 1: if you live in California, just if you can get out, 229 00:13:37,440 --> 00:13:39,360 Speaker 1: there's no point, because I don't think you can save 230 00:13:39,400 --> 00:13:41,320 Speaker 1: those states. You seem optimistic you can. 231 00:13:42,400 --> 00:13:43,240 Speaker 7: Well, Like I. 232 00:13:43,200 --> 00:13:46,000 Speaker 6: Say, we have the votes in Illinois to turn the 233 00:13:46,120 --> 00:13:52,680 Speaker 6: state red and hopefully you know we could pass save America. 234 00:13:53,040 --> 00:13:56,199 Speaker 6: We can. I know Tom Finton is suing Illinois. We've 235 00:13:56,200 --> 00:13:59,839 Speaker 6: got another lawsuit going to the Supreme Court about cleaning 236 00:13:59,920 --> 00:14:04,440 Speaker 6: up or voter rolls, about counting ballots or not accepting 237 00:14:04,480 --> 00:14:07,560 Speaker 6: ballots turned in after election day, and so I think 238 00:14:07,600 --> 00:14:11,080 Speaker 6: getting election reform or really help us. But I just 239 00:14:11,120 --> 00:14:15,320 Speaker 6: want to remind everybody that JB. Pritzker is sailed. He 240 00:14:15,440 --> 00:14:19,000 Speaker 6: is a failed governor by every metric, and he wants 241 00:14:19,040 --> 00:14:22,160 Speaker 6: to be president. It is a joke. People need to 242 00:14:22,160 --> 00:14:24,280 Speaker 6: be rassed up. They need to look at their children 243 00:14:24,360 --> 00:14:27,560 Speaker 6: and grandchildren and say, I need to be a force multiplier. 244 00:14:27,600 --> 00:14:29,280 Speaker 6: I need to get to the polls. I need to 245 00:14:29,280 --> 00:14:33,239 Speaker 6: support good candidates. It is for my children and grandchildren. 246 00:14:33,680 --> 00:14:37,000 Speaker 1: I appreciate the good work that you're doing, Congresswoman. I 247 00:14:37,040 --> 00:14:40,240 Speaker 1: mean it's you're fighting an uphill battle. You're dealing with 248 00:14:40,320 --> 00:14:44,120 Speaker 1: the craziest of the crazy in Washington. We appreciate what 249 00:14:44,200 --> 00:14:46,360 Speaker 1: your work, what you're doing, and thank you for being 250 00:14:46,400 --> 00:14:50,480 Speaker 1: with us. Congresswoman Mary Miller Illinois. Thank you at eight 251 00:14:50,600 --> 00:14:52,200 Speaker 1: hundred and nine to four one. Shawn is on number. 252 00:14:52,200 --> 00:14:54,520 Speaker 1: If you want to be a part of the program. 253 00:14:55,000 --> 00:14:58,960 Speaker 1: You know, it's been a while now since we lost 254 00:14:59,240 --> 00:15:03,040 Speaker 1: Charlie Kirk. Charlie Kirk, the impact that he has had 255 00:15:03,120 --> 00:15:07,200 Speaker 1: on so many people, young people in particular is incalculable. 256 00:15:07,480 --> 00:15:11,640 Speaker 1: Turning point USA continues. The mission Erica now has taken 257 00:15:11,680 --> 00:15:16,760 Speaker 1: the reins and that mission continues, and it's just so 258 00:15:17,040 --> 00:15:21,720 Speaker 1: sad tragic what happened that day. And what's even more 259 00:15:21,760 --> 00:15:27,760 Speaker 1: said is people attacking either the organization or Erica Kirk. 260 00:15:29,000 --> 00:15:31,760 Speaker 1: And it's not something that I feel that anybody should 261 00:15:31,760 --> 00:15:35,080 Speaker 1: be paying attention to myself, and therefore I ignore it. 262 00:15:35,160 --> 00:15:37,480 Speaker 1: But I'm sure it's not fun for them to have 263 00:15:37,520 --> 00:15:39,880 Speaker 1: to live through all of that. You know, people that 264 00:15:40,000 --> 00:15:42,040 Speaker 1: have whatever agenda that they have. 265 00:15:43,320 --> 00:15:44,080 Speaker 2: But there are a. 266 00:15:44,120 --> 00:15:48,400 Speaker 1: Couple of people that shaped Charlie Kirk and his love 267 00:15:48,440 --> 00:15:54,240 Speaker 1: of God, his faith, his belief system. Charlie had a 268 00:15:54,960 --> 00:15:59,400 Speaker 1: quest for knowledge, at thirst that he had for knowledge, 269 00:16:00,040 --> 00:16:03,640 Speaker 1: and especially when it comes to the spiritual issues in life. 270 00:16:04,520 --> 00:16:07,600 Speaker 1: He had people like Pastor Rob McCoy, who married both 271 00:16:07,680 --> 00:16:12,200 Speaker 1: Charlie and Erica also was very good friends with Frank Turk, 272 00:16:12,840 --> 00:16:16,520 Speaker 1: and Frank Turk was basically he teaches apologetics, which is 273 00:16:16,640 --> 00:16:21,320 Speaker 1: the defense of Christianity using logic and scripture combined. And 274 00:16:21,560 --> 00:16:24,760 Speaker 1: if you haven't read anything, David Limbaugh, my friend of 275 00:16:24,800 --> 00:16:28,240 Speaker 1: many years, Russia's brother, has written many books on it himself. 276 00:16:28,240 --> 00:16:33,000 Speaker 1: Frank Turk has also I don't have enough faith to 277 00:16:33,040 --> 00:16:36,120 Speaker 1: be an atheist. And anyway, was a mentor friend to 278 00:16:36,240 --> 00:16:38,640 Speaker 1: Charlie Kirk, who is about twenty five feet away from 279 00:16:38,680 --> 00:16:43,240 Speaker 1: him when he was assassinated. And today he's going back 280 00:16:43,680 --> 00:16:47,040 Speaker 1: to basically the scene of the crime. He's going back 281 00:16:47,080 --> 00:16:51,480 Speaker 1: to Utah Valley University and addressing the kids out there. 282 00:16:51,480 --> 00:16:53,920 Speaker 1: Give him a lot of credit for this. And Frank, 283 00:16:53,960 --> 00:16:55,560 Speaker 1: it's great to have you back on the show. Thank 284 00:16:55,560 --> 00:16:57,440 Speaker 1: you for being with us. How are you doing, how's 285 00:16:57,560 --> 00:16:59,840 Speaker 1: Erica doing? How's the turning Point family? 286 00:17:01,320 --> 00:17:04,359 Speaker 7: Sean? Thanks for having me on. Erica. I just spoke 287 00:17:04,400 --> 00:17:07,600 Speaker 7: to her yesterday and she's poling through. But as you 288 00:17:07,760 --> 00:17:11,880 Speaker 7: just said, it's really unconscionable that people would be attacking 289 00:17:11,920 --> 00:17:16,720 Speaker 7: a widow, and a widow who has two young children. 290 00:17:17,440 --> 00:17:21,280 Speaker 7: She's innocent, Sean, and it pains me to even have 291 00:17:21,400 --> 00:17:25,560 Speaker 7: to say that. It's obvious. But Sean, you know, as 292 00:17:25,560 --> 00:17:28,120 Speaker 7: you always quote on your show, Let not your heart 293 00:17:28,200 --> 00:17:32,200 Speaker 7: be troubled. That's from John chapter fourteen. 294 00:17:33,119 --> 00:17:36,080 Speaker 1: Now, my heart's trouble when people are being mean. My 295 00:17:36,200 --> 00:17:42,199 Speaker 1: heart's troubled when people can't have empathy or sympathy for 296 00:17:42,320 --> 00:17:46,320 Speaker 1: what other people go through. I can't stand when people 297 00:17:46,359 --> 00:17:49,400 Speaker 1: try to build themselves up by knocking other people down. 298 00:17:49,520 --> 00:17:50,440 Speaker 2: I don't like that either. 299 00:17:51,600 --> 00:17:56,399 Speaker 7: Well, here's the interesting part, Sean, both the Apostles and 300 00:17:56,560 --> 00:18:02,760 Speaker 7: Jesus called Satan a murderer, liar, accuser, and slanderer who 301 00:18:02,840 --> 00:18:06,520 Speaker 7: wants to destroy Sean, we had a murder six months 302 00:18:06,680 --> 00:18:11,360 Speaker 7: months ago. What have we had since then? We've had lies, accusations, 303 00:18:12,040 --> 00:18:17,080 Speaker 7: slander to try and destroy an innocent widow and her 304 00:18:17,280 --> 00:18:21,200 Speaker 7: organization that Charlie built. If you're calling yourself a friend 305 00:18:21,240 --> 00:18:25,800 Speaker 7: of Charlie, how on earth are you attacking his widow 306 00:18:25,880 --> 00:18:29,679 Speaker 7: and the organization that he built, A phenomenal organization. Some 307 00:18:29,720 --> 00:18:32,080 Speaker 7: of the finest people I've ever met are at Turning 308 00:18:32,119 --> 00:18:33,000 Speaker 7: Point USA. 309 00:18:33,440 --> 00:18:35,880 Speaker 1: Well, what does the Bible tell us, you know, lie? 310 00:18:36,080 --> 00:18:38,600 Speaker 1: What does it lie, steal and destroy? 311 00:18:39,480 --> 00:18:39,720 Speaker 7: Yes? 312 00:18:41,080 --> 00:18:41,600 Speaker 2: I mean. 313 00:18:43,920 --> 00:18:47,400 Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, so it is co user and a slanderer. 314 00:18:48,880 --> 00:18:49,080 Speaker 7: You know. 315 00:18:49,400 --> 00:18:52,199 Speaker 1: I want you to explain because one of my some 316 00:18:52,240 --> 00:18:54,720 Speaker 1: of my more favorite moments on this radio show to 317 00:18:54,760 --> 00:18:57,280 Speaker 1: do and I don't do it probably often enough, but 318 00:18:57,400 --> 00:19:00,800 Speaker 1: somebody will call in and they're an atheist, and I'll 319 00:19:00,840 --> 00:19:03,200 Speaker 1: have a long discussion with them, and this is how 320 00:19:03,280 --> 00:19:06,920 Speaker 1: I argue to them. And yes, I'm a Christian. Yes 321 00:19:07,240 --> 00:19:10,080 Speaker 1: I was raised Catholic, but I'm more non denominational at 322 00:19:10,080 --> 00:19:11,000 Speaker 1: this point in my life. 323 00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:12,880 Speaker 2: But I believe the Gospel. 324 00:19:12,920 --> 00:19:14,679 Speaker 1: I believe in the Old Testament, I believe in the 325 00:19:14,720 --> 00:19:17,840 Speaker 1: New Testament, and I believe that America was founded on 326 00:19:17,920 --> 00:19:23,520 Speaker 1: Judeo Christian principles. Our founders and framers referenced it often, 327 00:19:23,600 --> 00:19:25,880 Speaker 1: and some of the great philosophers back in the day. 328 00:19:26,600 --> 00:19:30,600 Speaker 1: And when people call this program and I will ask them, 329 00:19:30,920 --> 00:19:32,920 Speaker 1: you know, or they'll say to me, or they'll state 330 00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:34,760 Speaker 1: to me that how can I believe in a God? 331 00:19:35,480 --> 00:19:39,240 Speaker 1: And why does God allow bad things to happen to 332 00:19:39,280 --> 00:19:42,720 Speaker 1: good people? And We've had many of these discussions over 333 00:19:42,760 --> 00:19:46,040 Speaker 1: the years on this program, and this is my take 334 00:19:46,080 --> 00:19:50,560 Speaker 1: on it. Because to be an atheist, I argue, you 335 00:19:50,760 --> 00:19:54,280 Speaker 1: have to believe that something came from nothing, And I'll 336 00:19:54,440 --> 00:19:57,800 Speaker 1: at some point I'll get them to admit they believe 337 00:19:57,880 --> 00:20:01,560 Speaker 1: that the Big Bang theory occurred. And then I'll say, okay, well, 338 00:20:01,600 --> 00:20:05,880 Speaker 1: where did all of those elements come from that collided together, 339 00:20:06,640 --> 00:20:12,560 Speaker 1: that somehow magically created universes within universes within universes within 340 00:20:12,720 --> 00:20:17,159 Speaker 1: universes within universes. And then you get into the specific 341 00:20:17,240 --> 00:20:21,399 Speaker 1: detail everything from an ant to a caterpillar to wildlife 342 00:20:22,119 --> 00:20:25,879 Speaker 1: to humanity and so on and so forth, and the 343 00:20:25,920 --> 00:20:28,160 Speaker 1: water and the seas and the sun and the stars 344 00:20:28,200 --> 00:20:32,160 Speaker 1: and the sky, etc. And what we know and how 345 00:20:32,160 --> 00:20:35,359 Speaker 1: did all of that just happen? And they never have 346 00:20:35,480 --> 00:20:37,800 Speaker 1: a good answer for that. And this is the stuff 347 00:20:37,840 --> 00:20:39,600 Speaker 1: that you and Charlie would talk about a lot, if 348 00:20:39,600 --> 00:20:40,440 Speaker 1: I'm not mistaken. 349 00:20:41,280 --> 00:20:44,840 Speaker 7: Yes, of course, Jean, You're absolutely right. Here's what even 350 00:20:44,880 --> 00:20:48,119 Speaker 7: atheists today are admitting. Like for example, Stephen Hawking hes 351 00:20:48,119 --> 00:20:50,919 Speaker 7: since passed away, but he said, almost everyone now believes 352 00:20:50,960 --> 00:20:54,280 Speaker 7: that the universe and time itself at a beginning at 353 00:20:54,280 --> 00:20:57,600 Speaker 7: the Big Bang. That's what the evidence shows. Now. He 354 00:20:57,720 --> 00:21:00,280 Speaker 7: tried to come up with another explanation other than God 355 00:21:00,320 --> 00:21:03,200 Speaker 7: shan but who else could it be? If space, time, 356 00:21:03,240 --> 00:21:06,159 Speaker 7: and matter had a beginning out of nothing. Whatever created space, 357 00:21:06,200 --> 00:21:09,160 Speaker 7: time and matter has to be outside of space, time 358 00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:14,240 Speaker 7: and matter. In other words, the cause must be spaceless, timeless, immaterial, 359 00:21:14,840 --> 00:21:18,280 Speaker 7: powerful to create the universe out of nothing, personal in 360 00:21:18,359 --> 00:21:21,439 Speaker 7: order to choose to create, and also intelligent to have 361 00:21:21,520 --> 00:21:24,600 Speaker 7: a mind to create. Now, whenever I asked atheist or 362 00:21:24,640 --> 00:21:30,800 Speaker 7: even anybody, when you think about a spaceless, timeless, immaterial, powerful, personal, 363 00:21:30,920 --> 00:21:35,159 Speaker 7: intelligent cause, who do you think of? Well, it's obviously 364 00:21:35,320 --> 00:21:37,720 Speaker 7: a being like God. And when you look at the 365 00:21:37,760 --> 00:21:41,040 Speaker 7: evidence that Jesus really did die and rise from the dead, 366 00:21:41,680 --> 00:21:44,520 Speaker 7: then you can go back and say that the same 367 00:21:44,640 --> 00:21:47,160 Speaker 7: being that walked out of the tomb one thousand, nine 368 00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:50,600 Speaker 7: hundred and ninety three years ago next week Sean is 369 00:21:50,640 --> 00:21:54,280 Speaker 7: the same being who created the universe out of nothing 370 00:21:54,400 --> 00:21:57,720 Speaker 7: in his divine nature or by his divine nature. That's 371 00:21:57,760 --> 00:22:01,000 Speaker 7: what Christians believe, and we believe that because there's evidence 372 00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:03,680 Speaker 7: for this. There's evidence that God exists, and there's evidence 373 00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:05,480 Speaker 7: that Jesus rose in the dead. And by the way, 374 00:22:05,800 --> 00:22:08,320 Speaker 7: that's why I can go to Utah Valley University tonight, 375 00:22:08,359 --> 00:22:12,399 Speaker 7: Shan and show people the evidence that Christianity is true 376 00:22:12,400 --> 00:22:15,960 Speaker 7: and then give them hope that there's life beyond this 377 00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:20,200 Speaker 7: grave by trusting in what Jesus did. Charlie did that. 378 00:22:20,280 --> 00:22:22,320 Speaker 7: So Charlie right now is absent from the body but 379 00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:24,640 Speaker 7: present with the Lord. The rest of us are here 380 00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:28,879 Speaker 7: to continue his mission, the mission Jesus gave us, and 381 00:22:28,920 --> 00:22:30,920 Speaker 7: that is to make disciples of all nations. 382 00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:33,640 Speaker 2: One Bible verse that gives me so much hope. 383 00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:36,040 Speaker 1: But then there are many of them, and yeah, I 384 00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:39,239 Speaker 1: do quote, let not your heart be troubled. I go 385 00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:42,000 Speaker 1: and prepare a place for you, so that where I am, 386 00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:45,000 Speaker 1: ye shall also be, and in my father's house or 387 00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:45,800 Speaker 1: many mansions. 388 00:22:45,840 --> 00:22:47,879 Speaker 2: And that's what He's preparing for all of us. I 389 00:22:47,920 --> 00:22:48,679 Speaker 2: believe all of that. 390 00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:52,720 Speaker 1: And then the Bible also says the eye hath not seen, 391 00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:56,359 Speaker 1: nor has the ear heard, nor has it entered into 392 00:22:56,400 --> 00:22:59,880 Speaker 1: the heart of man, what God has instored for those 393 00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:03,520 Speaker 1: that love the truth. And that another point in the Bible. 394 00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:08,239 Speaker 1: You know an almighty, all powerful, all living creator of 395 00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:11,679 Speaker 1: the heavens and earth and everything in between, that the 396 00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:16,680 Speaker 1: very hairs of our head are counted, and that God 397 00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:21,080 Speaker 1: is very very aware. I mean, it's we're not designed 398 00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:24,240 Speaker 1: as human beings to comprehend God's majesty. 399 00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:27,480 Speaker 7: Are we not completely We can't, Sean. But if we 400 00:23:27,520 --> 00:23:29,440 Speaker 7: want to know who God is in a personal way, 401 00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:32,440 Speaker 7: we look at Jesus. So we're going to go over 402 00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:35,560 Speaker 7: there and it's at nine pm Eastern. We're going to 403 00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:38,280 Speaker 7: live stream it on our YouTube channel to Cross Examined 404 00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:41,280 Speaker 7: YouTube channel two words Cross examines. Those people who are 405 00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:43,760 Speaker 7: not near Orum Utah want to see this, they can 406 00:23:43,800 --> 00:23:45,440 Speaker 7: and we're going to take a lot of questions, Sean. 407 00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:49,159 Speaker 1: So what do we glean from from the Bible in 408 00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:52,840 Speaker 1: terms of you know, you talk about the life of Jesus, 409 00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:59,960 Speaker 1: and Jesus gives us glimpses into what the future holds 410 00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:03,960 Speaker 1: for us. That there is life beyond this body, where mind, 411 00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:06,399 Speaker 1: body and spirit, and that our spirit will live on. 412 00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:09,560 Speaker 1: And I think that gives a lot of people hope. 413 00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:13,520 Speaker 1: It certainly gives me hope. And you know, I do 414 00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:17,800 Speaker 1: believe with all my heart that people that are believers 415 00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:20,960 Speaker 1: that they will be in paradise one day. I mean, 416 00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:23,960 Speaker 1: Jesus on the cross turned to one of the people 417 00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:27,000 Speaker 1: to asside and that person said, I deserve to be here. 418 00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:29,439 Speaker 1: You don't, And he said, this day you will be 419 00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:32,200 Speaker 1: with me in paradise. That's how he describes heaven. That's 420 00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:33,080 Speaker 1: pretty profound. 421 00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:36,240 Speaker 7: Yes it is, Sean. And right now, as we said, 422 00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:38,760 Speaker 7: Charlie is absent from the body, present with the Lord. 423 00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:40,919 Speaker 7: But one day he's going to be resurrected, and the 424 00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:43,040 Speaker 7: rest of us or in the Lord, are going to 425 00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:46,080 Speaker 7: be resurrected, and we're going to be with Jesus and 426 00:24:46,119 --> 00:24:50,680 Speaker 7: our loved ones forever those that have accepted what Christ 427 00:24:50,760 --> 00:24:53,439 Speaker 7: has done and repent. But a lot of times I 428 00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:55,960 Speaker 7: talk to atheists and I asked them this question, Sean, 429 00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:58,560 Speaker 7: or even people who are not Christians. I ask them, 430 00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:02,280 Speaker 7: if Christianity were true, would you become a Christian? And 431 00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:05,320 Speaker 7: I've had many of them say no, Sean, because it's 432 00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:07,520 Speaker 7: not a matter of the head. Quite often, it's often 433 00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:09,199 Speaker 7: a matter of the heart. They don't want it to 434 00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:11,359 Speaker 7: be true. They don't want there to be a God 435 00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:13,560 Speaker 7: because they want to be God over their own lives. 436 00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:16,840 Speaker 7: So they're not really on a truth quest, venus quest. 437 00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:20,440 Speaker 7: And so I always ask that question to see where 438 00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:24,119 Speaker 7: they are really open to Christianity. If they are open, 439 00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:26,239 Speaker 7: I'll give them some evidence. If they're not, I'll just 440 00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:30,800 Speaker 7: pray ask them to reconsider why wouldn't you believe something 441 00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:34,359 Speaker 7: that really was true? Christianity true is evidence for it? 442 00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:35,920 Speaker 2: Well, I think so too. 443 00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:38,359 Speaker 1: I mean I actually in many cases have found that 444 00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:42,000 Speaker 1: I feel sorry for people in the end because they 445 00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:44,480 Speaker 1: just don't have the hope that we have. All right, 446 00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:48,359 Speaker 1: quick break, we'll come right back. We'll continue Charlie Kirk's 447 00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:52,560 Speaker 1: pastor going back to Utah Valley University. This is the 448 00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:56,800 Speaker 1: first return since the assassination of Charlie to talk to 449 00:25:56,880 --> 00:26:00,359 Speaker 1: students there. Anyway, we'll continue more with Frank turn on 450 00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:03,760 Speaker 1: the other side. Eighty one, Shawn is a number. We'll 451 00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:06,600 Speaker 1: also get your calls in as we continue across the 452 00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:16,000 Speaker 1: program today straight ahead. Three hours a day is all 453 00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:20,720 Speaker 1: we ask on the Sean Hannity Show, So please join us, 454 00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:48,919 Speaker 1: but just don't be late. Sean Hannity is John. All right, 455 00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:51,880 Speaker 1: we continue with Pastor Frank Turk. Now he was one 456 00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:58,040 Speaker 1: of Charlie Kirk's closest friends mentor spiritual advisor. Teaches apologetics, 457 00:26:58,040 --> 00:27:01,560 Speaker 1: which is Christian apologetics, which makes the case for God 458 00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:05,320 Speaker 1: both logically and biblically. He is making a return tonight. 459 00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:08,879 Speaker 1: He's going on Utah Valley University, the location where Charlie 460 00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:11,639 Speaker 1: was assassinated. One of the things that stood out to me. 461 00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:13,440 Speaker 1: And I want to get your take on this because 462 00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:16,040 Speaker 1: you're the expert. I'm not, and I'm asking just more 463 00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:20,199 Speaker 1: out of curiosity, how you interpret this. When Moses was 464 00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:25,200 Speaker 1: on Mountain Sinai and he asked God, and who appeared 465 00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:28,879 Speaker 1: to him before burning bush that didn't burn? Who should 466 00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:31,600 Speaker 1: I say sent me? And he said I am Now. 467 00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:35,800 Speaker 1: I interpret that to mean that God always was, always 468 00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:41,399 Speaker 1: will be forever and is always present. And that is 469 00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:44,120 Speaker 1: something too that the human mind really can't fathom because 470 00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:47,480 Speaker 1: we live in a world that is measured by time, 471 00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:50,920 Speaker 1: and that infers to me that God has timeless thoughts. 472 00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:53,560 Speaker 7: Yeah, He's outside of time, That's what I am mean. 473 00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:57,359 Speaker 7: He is this self existent, eternal one, the being that 474 00:27:57,480 --> 00:28:00,200 Speaker 7: had no beginning, the bean that will have no and 475 00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:03,960 Speaker 7: the bean that just be sean. It just this being 476 00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:08,119 Speaker 7: gives life to everything else that exists. So this being 477 00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:11,560 Speaker 7: is this self existing eternal being. What Aristotle, who didn't 478 00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:14,760 Speaker 7: know everything about God but knew enough to say, there 479 00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:17,320 Speaker 7: has to be an unmoved mover. There has to be 480 00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:22,199 Speaker 7: a bean who has always existed, who actually creates everything 481 00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:24,840 Speaker 7: else that exists, and that's what we mean by God's nature. 482 00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:29,520 Speaker 7: So yes, and when Jesus said to the crowd around 483 00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:32,879 Speaker 7: him in John chapter eight, before Abraham was born, I 484 00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:35,639 Speaker 7: am What he's essentially saying is I am Yahweh, I 485 00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:38,000 Speaker 7: am God. And that's why they picked up stones to 486 00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:39,800 Speaker 7: stone him. That's why he was killed, Sean, because he 487 00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:42,240 Speaker 7: claimed to be God, and that was blasphemy to the Jews. 488 00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:44,360 Speaker 7: So he was claiming to be the great. I am, 489 00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:46,160 Speaker 7: the self existing, eternal One. 490 00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:49,040 Speaker 1: Well, we really appreciate it. We wish you the best 491 00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:52,600 Speaker 1: of luck. Pastor Frank Turk, thank you for being with us. 492 00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:56,000 Speaker 1: He's at Utah Valley University and you may want to 493 00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:58,200 Speaker 1: check out his book. I don't have enough faith to 494 00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:01,240 Speaker 1: be in the atheist shaate your time and all you 495 00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:04,000 Speaker 1: did for Charlie in the course of his life. Uh 496 00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:06,840 Speaker 1: and our prayers are with the organization, with Erica, with 497 00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:08,960 Speaker 1: their children, et cetera. 498 00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:10,640 Speaker 2: Please pass on our best wishes. 499 00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:13,440 Speaker 7: God bless you. Sean. Thanks for being a beacon of 500 00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:16,440 Speaker 7: light every night on Fox News and on the radio. 501 00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:17,280 Speaker 7: Appreciate brother. 502 00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:21,160 Speaker 1: I'm trying. I'm I'm doing my best. I'm just a 503 00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:24,040 Speaker 1: mere vessel here I'm giving it my best shot.