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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Greece.

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Speaker 2: She's making all the money, he's spending all the money.

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Speaker 2: I'm talking about a beautiful executive, Diane mckiv she's dead,

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Speaker 2: shot by her husband who said he did it in

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Speaker 2: his sleep. Yes, I guess what else. He's walking free,

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Speaker 2: not for long. I can only hope. I'mansy Grace. This

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Speaker 2: is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us here

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Speaker 2: at Crime Stories and on series XM one eleven. And

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Speaker 2: to top it all off, they're rolling in money. Much

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Speaker 2: more do they need? Why is she dead?

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Speaker 3: Do you believe his story?

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Speaker 2: He was asleep, was woken up abruptly, afraid of the

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Speaker 2: homeless people, and misfired the weapon, a weapon that had

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Speaker 2: several pounds of pressure needed to pull the trigger.

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Speaker 4: Mm hmmm, mm hmmm.

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Speaker 3: Let's hear from the horse's mouth.

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Speaker 2: Maybe I should make a from the mule the jackass's mouth,

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Speaker 2: But I let you decide that. Listen to texts mac

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Speaker 2: ivor very dark.

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Speaker 5: Seeing me, it wasn't that's one that has up procusarly

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Speaker 5: high population at a lot of people there, and I

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Speaker 5: quickly said, this is a big mistake, and we're in

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Speaker 5: a place that we don't belong rank and here we

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Speaker 5: are almost new suv two women in any so, anyway,

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Speaker 5: they made a couple of turns and adventures.

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Speaker 6: Not going well.

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Speaker 5: Thanks, We'll be on Pemon Shortley and I said, yeah,

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Speaker 5: by look, if you don't want to please handle my

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Speaker 5: Dotter prads in center comes.

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Speaker 2: Let's analyze what we just heard. Joining me in All

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Speaker 2: Star panel. Mike Patchentic, veteran journalist, founder Patentic Media Group.

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Speaker 2: You can find him at Mike Patchinic dot com. And

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Speaker 2: I need an expert also joining me renowned trial lawyer

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Speaker 2: Clint Rutger, Award winning lawyer, municipal court judge, and most

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Speaker 2: important to me right now, former Fulton County felony prosecutor

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Speaker 2: who worked this case. You can find him at Clint

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Speaker 2: Rutger dot com. Mike Puchinnik, former WSBTV reporter. Did I

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Speaker 2: get it right that he takes McIvor, who is himself

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Speaker 2: a veteran lawyer at a silk stocking law firm in Atlanta,

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Speaker 2: bringing in all kinds of money and I guess spending

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Speaker 2: it all. Did he actually say it was very dark

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Speaker 2: and that night there were a lot of homeless people there,

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Speaker 2: And I said, ooh, where in a place we don't belong.

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Speaker 2: Did I hear that correctly? You did.

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Speaker 4: It's exactly what he said.

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Speaker 7: We're not in Kansas anymore. We're in downtown Atlanta. There

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Speaker 7: are homeless people milling about. I don't feel safe, Honey, hand.

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Speaker 2: Me my weapon. Okay.

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Speaker 3: See, I'm not buying that at all.

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Speaker 2: Because I lived for about fifteen years exactly where this happened.

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Speaker 3: I never felt like I had to get a gun.

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Speaker 3: And she's a homeless person.

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Speaker 2: So, I mean, Clinton Rucker, you're the veteran trial lawyer

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Speaker 2: the handle this case. Is he trying to say what

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Speaker 2: the homeless people are after me? Translation? The black people

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Speaker 2: are after me? Is that what he's say?

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Speaker 4: That's absolutely what he was saying. You know, there were

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Speaker 4: also some allegations that he made during the course of

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Speaker 4: the trial that he was actually afraid of potential Black

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Speaker 4: Lives Matter protesters who might be milling about, and so

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Speaker 4: you're absolutely right. There was this issue that we dealt

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Speaker 4: with during the trial that had to do with a

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Speaker 4: racial motivation. He was trying to use the excuse that

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Speaker 4: he was afraid of black folks literally, and that was

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Speaker 4: the reason why he needed to arm himself with a

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Speaker 4: loaded handgun while he was riding.

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Speaker 2: Through riding through downtown Atlanta in his luxury suv, he

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Speaker 2: needed a gun in the backseat. Oh okay, let's hear

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Speaker 2: some more of what tex mcimer has to say. But first,

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Speaker 2: Mike pa Chinnik, isn't it correct that his wife before

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Speaker 2: he shot her dead, Diane McIver was a very high

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Speaker 2: powered executive with Corey. He was She was a self

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Speaker 8: She rose through the ranks of the company and was

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Speaker 8: among its executive team and making a lot of money

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Speaker 8: in the process.

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Speaker 3: What kind of company is Corey?

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Speaker 8: They do a lot of things, but outdoor advertising. If

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Speaker 8: you ever driving you downtown Land, you see the big

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Speaker 8: smokestack there off the Grady Curve, says Corey Enterprises on

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Speaker 8: a date, that's kind of their flagship over there, and

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Speaker 8: that's what they're known for.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I remember after she was shot dead by her husband,

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Speaker 2: they had a memorial of that illuminated that chimney stack

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Speaker 2: you're talking about for a really long time in honor

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Speaker 2: of Diane. Beautiful, brilliant, and she was making a ton

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Speaker 2: of money, right.

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Speaker 4: Clint Rutger, that's right, listen. I'll just give you a

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Speaker 4: couple of tidbits to help put in the perspective how

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Speaker 2: Actually, I need some help because you know what, Clint,

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Speaker 2: as you know from you and I being trial lawyers.

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Speaker 2: When I was in the DA's office, one of my

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Speaker 2: summer jobs was as a camp counselor in tree identification

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Speaker 2: at the Rocky Golden National Forest and in Putnam County,

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Speaker 2: you know where that is. This guy had a gentleman's farm.

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Speaker 2: And boy am I putting that in air quotes, because

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Speaker 2: you know, my grandparents worked a farm and it's a

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Speaker 2: lot of backbreaking work. But what this guy did was

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Speaker 2: basically go there every other weekend and.

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Speaker 3: Throw parties at the farm.

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Speaker 2: And his wife was footing the bill not only for

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Speaker 2: so he wasn't bringing in a lot of money. She

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Speaker 3: Plus his farm, a farm, she had to pay for

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Speaker 3: all that. Seriously, that's right.

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Speaker 2: Okay, give me the tenbits and Patentic, don't hold back.

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Speaker 3: Patentic, go ahead, Clint Rutger.

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Speaker 4: All right, so let me tell you this. One of

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Speaker 4: the financial obstacles that Tex mcgober had Nancy was that

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Speaker 4: the farm was in arrears. He was not making enough

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Speaker 4: monthly mortgage on the farm, and he was in a

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Speaker 4: ris by several hundred thousand, right, all right?

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Speaker 2: My head started spinning around, like on, what's the name

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Speaker 2: of the movie exorcists? Thank you when you said arrears?

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Speaker 2: He wasn't making the house payments. You know what I

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Speaker 2: said when I got married Clint Rutger, I said, listen,

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Speaker 2: you don't have to help me, but don't hurt me. Okay,

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Speaker 2: you don't have to help me pay these bills that

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Speaker 2: will hurt me for Pete's sake. Luckily, I got a

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Speaker 2: good husband that works like a mule, just like me.

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Speaker 2: Long story shore. So he wasn't making the mortgage payments

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Speaker 2: on the house, the farm. Excuse me, that's right, that's right.

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Speaker 2: How bad was it? How bad was it?

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Speaker 4: Several hundred thousand dollars?

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Speaker 2: Hold on, I'm sorry, I just threw up a little

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Speaker 2: bit in my mouth. Hold on, several hundred thousand? Why

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Speaker 2: didn't he sell the thing?

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Speaker 4: It had been he had purchased it years ago when

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Speaker 4: he was a really prominent partner at his firm, and

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Speaker 4: so so at one point it was no problem for

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Speaker 4: him to handle the financial responsibilities.

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Speaker 2: Objection, your honor, the witness is not being responsive to

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Speaker 2: my question. Why didn't he sell it?

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Speaker 4: He loved it too much. He loved it so much

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Speaker 4: his wife wanted to give it to his children.

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Speaker 2: Doctor Bethany Marshall, I need a shrink, Doctor Bethany Marshall.

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Speaker 2: Rouw psycho analyst joining us out of la and she

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Speaker 2: is starring in the new season of Paris in Love

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Speaker 2: on Peacock. Doctor Bethany, help me. Why keep a man

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Speaker 2: around that won't even pay the house note at least

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Speaker 2: work for Pete's sake.

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Speaker 6: Well, you know, it's not uncommon for women who make

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Speaker 6: more money than their partners to actually feel guilty that

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Speaker 6: they're making more money, that they're usurping the partner's masculine role.

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Speaker 3: Okay, I'm sorry, what the masculine role?

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Speaker 2: You know what. I am so lucky because David isn't

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Speaker 2: like that at all. You know, God just dropped a

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Speaker 2: big blessing right on my head, I know. And it's

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Speaker 2: not about how much anybody makes, it's are they working

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Speaker 2: of pride, which is one of the seven deadly sins,

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Speaker 2: by the way, because you don't want your partners at

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Speaker 2: your law firm to know you had to sell the farm,

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Speaker 2: Pete's sake, go be a greater at costco. Just we're man.

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Speaker 6: One of the primary symptoms of a personality disorder. I

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Speaker 6: haven't examined him. I don't know if he has one.

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Speaker 2: Here you go with personality disorder, Okay, I'm ready, get ready, klan.

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Speaker 3: Here it comes.

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Speaker 6: People with personality disorders feel that everybody owes them, even

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Speaker 6: if they're being completely taken care of by their spouse.

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Speaker 6: A mooch well or a parasite.

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Speaker 2: Oh that's a good one for a leech and you know,

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Speaker 6: Very primitive because at the beginning of life, we feel

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Speaker 6: that our mothers owe us to take care of us.

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Speaker 6: And the mothers do, they do owe us. But these

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Speaker 6: very disturbed people go through life feeling owed by everybody.

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Speaker 6: That's why they cheat, that's why they steal, that's why

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Speaker 6: they're parasites with their partners. And there's also some research

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Speaker 6: That's rare, that's unheard of. What happens is it takes

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Speaker 2: You mean, lie, the lobster in the pot is just

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Speaker 2: barely warm. It the get go there, you're boiled dead.

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Speaker 6: It's interaction and interaction at a time. It's oh, you

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Speaker 6: know what, I forgot my wallet.

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Speaker 2: Oh you know what, Gosh, you know what.

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Speaker 6: I'm a trial now, will you just send the mortgage

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Speaker 6: payment to the farm. Oh, you know, my daughter needs

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Speaker 6: her college paid for. You know, it starts with little

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Speaker 6: things that graduates to bigger things. And in this case,

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Speaker 6: he really saw her as a mark. You know, he

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Speaker 6: was probably contumplace her death for a long long time

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Speaker 6: really thinking about this, you know, listening to his own clients.

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Speaker 6: If he was a trial attorney, you know, picking up

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Speaker 6: Tim and why.

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Speaker 2: Is it here's a question that may not be within

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Speaker 2: your expertise. Why do lawyers think they know everything? That's

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Speaker 2: a good question for you, Clint Rucker. But let's get

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Speaker 2: back on track because that's probably a very long, long

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Speaker 2: psychoanalytics session to figure that out.

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Speaker 6: But what doctor's insurgents?

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Speaker 2: Same?

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Speaker 3: Sorry, doctor Dufree. But remember.

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Speaker 2: I now recall distinctly, didn't he say that this is you,

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Speaker 2: Clint or Mike Patentic jump in that he accidentally shot

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Speaker 2: lap because he was afraid of the Black Lives Matter protesters.

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Speaker 4: Actually, Nancy, I'm going to tell you it gets better

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Speaker 4: than that.

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Speaker 3: Oh okay, let me come to go ahead.

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Speaker 4: All right, you're ready, you got yeah, Okay, this is

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Speaker 4: the story. I was afraid of the protesters and the

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Speaker 4: homeless people, so I asked for my gun, which I

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Speaker 4: knew was loaded. I put the gun in my lap,

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Speaker 3: Why didn't they just get off with going down Petemont.

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Speaker 4: Clint, they were coming down Pete My Nancy, you're familiar

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Speaker 2: Why didn't they just turn on North or turn on

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Speaker 4: There was construction traffic.

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Speaker 2: Oh, now you're going to blame the construction traffic.

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Speaker 4: He blamed the construction traffic.

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Speaker 2: Well, you're not really believing that he's blaming the traffic.

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Speaker 4: Blame the traffic.

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Speaker 4: As he's coming down Pete Mine, across Punts, across Tenth Street,

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Speaker 1: Time stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: Guns do not just go off. Christopher Byer is joining me,

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Speaker 2: private investigator at Buyers Investigative dot com. Former police chief

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Speaker 2: Jobs Creek. Guns don't quote just go off. You have

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Speaker 2: to pull the trigger. Christopher Byers, please explain when I

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Speaker 9: Yeah, So I've been a firearms instructor for several decades now,

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Speaker 9: and I guns do not go off. And what you're

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Speaker 2: Now, let's hear again from the horse's mouth what he

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Speaker 5: Answers back to me and idental we may have been

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Speaker 5: on te moon anyway, I relatively satisfied that we're out

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Speaker 5: I just laid back again and want to sleep of

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Speaker 5: this piler his own kind of thing credit other whether

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Speaker 5: in my lap Danny Joe came to a styling and anyway,

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Speaker 5: I'm just time to wake up. But she came to

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Speaker 3: On Clinton record.

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Speaker 2: That's impossible because if he's holding the gun in his lap,

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Speaker 2: if he's now sitting behind Diane the victim, correct, he's

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Speaker 2: sitting behind her, he would have had to be holding

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Speaker 4: Well, what are the real powerful things that really took

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Speaker 4: Tex mcgibre intentionally shot his wife? Was the trajectory and

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Speaker 4: the version that he gave police.

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Speaker 2: So didn't he Joel boys, he was holding it in

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Speaker 2: his lap sideways kind of that's correct, like you would

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Speaker 2: hold it laying your light. You're reading a book and

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Speaker 3: He was holding it like in that horizontal position.

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Speaker 2: So if he was holding it like that and the

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Speaker 2: gun went off, it would have gone out the driver's

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Speaker 4: Correct, that's correct, that's correct. That's what he said in

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Speaker 4: I know you remember taking vembric very.

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Speaker 3: Well, great cop, great cop.

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Speaker 2: So Mike Patchennik joining us veteran journalist, who would believe that?

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Speaker 2: Didn't he change his story? Mike, there was a pot.

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Speaker 2: First of all, he was afraid of the homeless people

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Speaker 2: like they were zombies. He was afraid of Black Lives

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Speaker 2: Matters protesters, which I don't know that they're protesting at night.

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Speaker 2: But then he said he hit a pothole. Then he

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Speaker 2: said that the friend slash driver Danny J. Carter came

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Speaker 8: I want to circle back to the pounds though they

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Speaker 8: required to pull that sugar.

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Speaker 4: Clinton, Chris, correct me if I'm wrong.

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Speaker 8: I believe there was testimony a trial that had text

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Speaker 8: mc iver caught the gun and made it what was

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Speaker 8: called single action, it only would have required about two

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Speaker 8: hundred quarter pounds to pull that fire, So six times

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Speaker 8: less pressure to pull that gun if it were so

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Speaker 8: called double action. So by that theory, if it did

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Speaker 8: pressure to pull a trigger and for it to just

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Speaker 3: That's a really good point.

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Speaker 2: What about it, Clint, Well, this is the fundamental.

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Speaker 4: Point that I made to the jury, Nancy, is that

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Speaker 4: Tech macgiver was a gun expert. He taught gun safety.

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Speaker 4: Why would he have his finger on the trigger in

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Speaker 4: the first place. So what about the poll, Well, if

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Speaker 4: the weapon was in double action, it requires a little

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Speaker 4: more than a ten pound bag of sugar. That's a

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Speaker 4: But the testimony from Tech macgiva's own mouth during his

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Speaker 4: videotaped interview was that the weapon was in double action.

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Speaker 2: Oh okay, weapon was in double action.

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Speaker 4: So that double action from Smith and Weston when we

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Speaker 2: Moly, wait a minute, I am looking right now at

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Speaker 2: the high rise the luxury complex. They lived in Buckhead

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Speaker 2: at lant That costs some money. Can we talk about

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Speaker 2: also what she Diane endured how many she was shot?

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Speaker 3: Once?

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Speaker 2: Right, Clint, that's.

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Speaker 4: Right, and the willet missed her heart by a couple

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Speaker 2: Okay, listen, I'm gonna go to doctor Michelle Dupree about

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Speaker 6: We do you remember happen to.

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Speaker 5: Her to come up. I immediately called out, I said,

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Speaker 5: everybody all right? And Dangel said yes, Diane, it was

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Speaker 5: Try to determine how anyone and I made the best under.

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Speaker 3: Emory was not the closest hospital, Mike Jenkitt, But.

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Speaker 8: They could have gone to Grady, which is a trauma one.

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Speaker 4: Er, which anybody in Atlanta knows. That's where you go

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Speaker 2: You don't go to Emory.

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Speaker 3: What the heart wing hgbl N no.

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Speaker 2: And they're about six eight blocks ten blocks maybe from Emory.

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Speaker 2: They're in the Piedmont Pont's area, right, Clint Rutger.

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Speaker 4: That's right, Nancy. And in addition to graty cropit long

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Speaker 3: Okay, you know what, It's just getting worse and worse

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Speaker 2: I want to hear what happened at the hospital to

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Speaker 2: Mike Patentic, joining US veteran journalist, founder of Patentic Media Group.

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Speaker 3: Mike, is it true that at first she.

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Speaker 2: May have thought it was an accident, but then moments later,

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Speaker 2: as she's sinking back through it, she will not let

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Speaker 4: That's right. She told the nurses. I don't want him

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Speaker 2: Well, Clint Rucker, I know you recall when the twins

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Speaker 4: That's right.

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Speaker 2: I mean, this tells me everything. She would not even

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Speaker 6: You know it's not unusual for domestic violence victims to

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Speaker 6: like this. You know, to think this clearly, when you're

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Speaker 6: You know that thought has been brewing inside of her

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Speaker 2: Doctor Michelle dupre joining me forensic pathologist, medical examiner, former

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Speaker 2: detective with the Lexington County Sheriff's Department, now author of

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Speaker 2: a best selling book, Money, Mischief and Murder. The Murdoch

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Speaker 2: Saga the rest of the story, but what interests me

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Speaker 2: today is the fact that she wrote the homicide investigation

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Speaker 2: field guide, Doctor Duprex, I want you to use all

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Speaker 2: because she was awake, incoherent for a considerable period of

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Speaker 4: It's a research hospital.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, she had the wherewithal to tell the nurse,

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Speaker 6: Exactly, Nancy. She felt every single bit of this. And

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Speaker 6: to make matters worse, this bullet, this projectile actually passed

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Speaker 6: have been had it not. This was excruciating.

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Speaker 3: She must have been in terrible pain, doctor.

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Speaker 6: Dupre Absolutely she felt all of this, and in her.

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Speaker 2: Last moments she insisted that he be barred from her

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Speaker 6: I have heard it, but it's always been in domestic

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Speaker 2: Well, guys, it's not just his crazy theory that correct

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Speaker 2: me if I'm wrong. Clint, please jump in and mike

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Speaker 2: the Senna. You've been on the story since the get go. Guys,

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Speaker 2: he's got a niche. He's going to have a new trial.

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Speaker 2: Clint works his fingers to the boat, gets a conviction,

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Speaker 2: and now it's being reversed. The judges up in their

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Speaker 2: and have reversed it. This guy is going to end

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Speaker 3: Just listen to me on this.

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Speaker 2: In addition to what happened at the time of the shooting,

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Speaker 10: As friends come to offer condolences on the passing of

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Speaker 10: days of Diane's death, Tex was asking him about his

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Speaker 10: wife's Social Security benefits, wondering if he could collect her checks.

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Speaker 10: Another colleague, Ken Rickert, said Tex asked him about getting

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Speaker 10: Diane's Social Security and complained about his salary being cut

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Speaker 10: at the law firm where he worked.

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Speaker 3: At Rucker House.

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Speaker 2: Soon after he shoots her, dad is he worried about

446
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Speaker 2: the money right afterwards?

447
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Speaker 4: It's one of the first conversations he has when he

448
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Speaker 4: gets home from the hospital with her friends and colleague

449
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Speaker 4: who are devastated at her death.

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Speaker 3: Mclint that's not all.

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Speaker 2: What about basically the High Fluton yard sale.

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Speaker 10: Listen while police investigated how Tex mcivor's gun accidentally went

453
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Speaker 10: off in the back seat, tex McIvor seems to be

454
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Speaker 10: investigating how to liquidate his late wife's assets. Tex MacIvor

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00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:54,040
Speaker 10: organized to sell many of his wife's possessions at an

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Speaker 10: auction as part of an estate sale. MacIvor said he

457
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Speaker 10: was liquidating things to settle his wife's estate. Mckiver sold

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00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:05,080
Speaker 10: everything he could of his wife's clothing, jewelry, furs, hats,

459
00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:06,280
Speaker 10: just about everything.

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Speaker 3: The sale lasted several days.

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Speaker 10: It was later revealed that text MacIver owed his wife

462
00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:14,800
Speaker 10: nearly three hundred and fifty thousand dollars, which she loomed

463
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Speaker 10: him for a barn he built on the ranch for

464
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Speaker 10: guests on their estate.

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Speaker 2: A three hundred and fifty thousand dollars barn for guests.

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Speaker 2: What did they throw parties and have guests stayed down there,

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Speaker 2: Clint Rucker, they did.

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Speaker 4: It was an outstanding looking facility. It was built in

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Speaker 4: a Western style, just like a saloon on the bottom

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Speaker 4: and had bedrooms upstairs. It was wonderful.

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Speaker 2: Okay, wait, wait, there was a saloon on the bottom,

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Speaker 2: that's right, and bedrooms upstairs.

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00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:48,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, an old Western style saloon with the swinging doors

474
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Speaker 4: and the long wooden bar.

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Speaker 2: And she was paying for this, and she paid for it.

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Speaker 3: It's my understanding, Clint. She didn't even like going down there.

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Speaker 4: She didn't really like going down there. She was a

478
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Speaker 4: city girl.

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Speaker 2: Well, the woman is twenty four seven, three sixty five.

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Speaker 2: What's she gonna do sit on the front porch and rock.

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Speaker 4: Well, you know, they like to entertain. So she enjoyed. Okay,

482
00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:13,920
Speaker 4: that farm from the aspect of being able to host

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Speaker 4: huge parties. They had a huge wine cellar with over

484
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Speaker 4: twenty thousand bottles of wine.

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Speaker 2: Okay, place, what you know you talking to a tea toddler.

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Speaker 2: What did you say about twenty thousand dollars bottles of wine?

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Speaker 5: Oh?

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00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:31,760
Speaker 4: Yes, Nancy, twenty thousand individual bottles of wine. I believe

489
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Speaker 4: they inventoried out of the wine cellar at that farm.

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Speaker 3: Plant. Did you ever go to the farm?

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Speaker 4: I did visited the farm a few times.

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Speaker 3: You have to tell me some more about the farm.

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Speaker 4: What it's about, eighty eight acres. It is surrounded by

494
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Speaker 4: a Christine White picket fence.

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00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:53,800
Speaker 2: Just right there. Nobody that sat on a working farm

496
00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:57,040
Speaker 2: that I know of, anybody has a white picket fence

497
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Speaker 2: because that takes so long to paint, and you have

498
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Speaker 2: to paint it like every three or four years because

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Speaker 2: of the weather.

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Speaker 3: Anyway, go ahead, go ahead. Eighty eight acres and of it.

501
00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:14,200
Speaker 4: And it had a huge main house, a pool in

502
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Speaker 4: ground pool right behind.

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Speaker 2: Right as opposed to an above ground like so many

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Speaker 2: of us enjoying the south right.

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Speaker 4: I'm not talking about the little plastic pools that you

506
00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:28,440
Speaker 4: can jump in that fit right above the ground. This

507
00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:32,640
Speaker 4: was a huge en ground pool that was beautiful. And

508
00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:37,280
Speaker 4: right behind it was this new barn that they built,

509
00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:40,520
Speaker 4: which was really a guesthouse in a saloon and a

510
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Speaker 4: stable for horses.

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Speaker 3: Did they keep horses?

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Speaker 4: They kept horses.

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Speaker 2: Oh man, that'll suck.

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Speaker 3: In twenty fifty thousand dollars a year for a horse

515
00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:48,680
Speaker 3: right there.

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00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:50,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, they were choking.

517
00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:51,840
Speaker 3: They were choking.

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00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:56,520
Speaker 4: How much twenty thousand dollars a month to maintain and

519
00:29:56,760 --> 00:30:00,200
Speaker 4: upkeep this farm on a monthly basis to include the

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Speaker 4: food for the horse and the cattle.

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Speaker 3: Twenty grand a month, that's right, Nancy.

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Speaker 6: If I could make a comment, about this.

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Speaker 3: I'm sorry, I feel like I'm choking right now thanking.

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Speaker 2: It just they're just hemorrhaging money for him to have

525
00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:16,360
Speaker 2: his gentleman's farm and three parties.

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Speaker 3: Okay, go ahead, doctor Bethany.

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Speaker 6: Well, to that point, it'd be interesting to talk to

528
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Speaker 6: her financial planner and see how much was she actually making.

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Speaker 6: Was she saving her retirement or was all of it

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Speaker 6: going towards the gentleman farm. What was she telling her girlfriend?

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Speaker 6: Did she say to them that she was happy to

532
00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:35,080
Speaker 6: spend all this money or were there any complaints? I

533
00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:37,880
Speaker 6: think that would be very telling. And I think finally

534
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Speaker 6: Clint said that or someone said that, you know, she

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Speaker 6: enjoyed spending money.

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00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:44,720
Speaker 2: I don't remember him saying that. I thought he said

537
00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:46,680
Speaker 2: she enjoyed having the parties.

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00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:51,280
Speaker 4: Oh, I thought it was enjoyed having the party. But Natthew,

539
00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:56,640
Speaker 4: she was. She was a little with the credit card.

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Speaker 4: We did do a deep dive in the fighting ants

541
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Speaker 4: for both of them, and we had an expert testified

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00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:07,320
Speaker 4: that she spent on average. Get this, Nancy, I'll be

543
00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:11,600
Speaker 4: sitting down. I better lay down thirty thirty thousand dollars

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Speaker 4: a month or her American Express black card.

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00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:18,080
Speaker 2: What's a black card. Oh, it's but does that mean

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00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:18,560
Speaker 2: no limit?

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00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:19,680
Speaker 4: It's no limit.

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Speaker 2: Well, listen to May clint Rucker. She was working, so

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00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:26,800
Speaker 2: you go right ahead and spend it. He was not

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Speaker 2: could afford.

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Speaker 1: Time stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: Isn't there something doctor bethany where people will buy things

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Speaker 2: and it gives them some kind of sense of gratification,

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00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:52,680
Speaker 2: whether they need it or not.

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00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:56,200
Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, the research shows that the most gratification

556
00:31:56,720 --> 00:32:01,160
Speaker 6: occurs the immediate fifteen minutes after you to something, to

557
00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:03,880
Speaker 6: buy a great blouse, you're happy for fifteen minutes and

558
00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:07,240
Speaker 6: then it drops off precipitously, so then you have to

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Speaker 6: go and buy something else. And that's how spending compulsions occur.

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00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:13,960
Speaker 6: But I think a good point is that she was

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Speaker 6: earning that money, and it'd be interesting to know. Was

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Speaker 6: thirty thousand dollars a month a lot to her? Maybe

563
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:21,760
Speaker 6: it wasn't that much, who knows. You'd have to talk

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Speaker 6: to her financial planner get an overall sense of her finances.

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00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:29,040
Speaker 2: But hey, I bet she paid for everything, all their food.

566
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Speaker 2: She may have even paid that condo mortgage on the Amex.

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00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:36,640
Speaker 2: I mean, or she was one of those.

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00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:39,080
Speaker 6: Women I hear this a lot where the man gets

569
00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:41,320
Speaker 6: the woman to pay everything, but he gets you know,

570
00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:46,000
Speaker 6: he's a member of her card, like he's another card holder.

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00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:48,880
Speaker 6: Oh so then he throws out the credit card at

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00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:51,320
Speaker 6: dinner and it looks like she's paying if they're taking

573
00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:54,880
Speaker 6: a big group of people to dinner, but actually she's paying.

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Speaker 6: So there's all kinds of really nefarious ways that men

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Speaker 6: and parasites get the woman to pay and still maintain

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00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:02,760
Speaker 6: their pride.

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Speaker 2: And I have somehow driven the bus into the weeds.

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Speaker 2: Mike Pagenic, that was me this time, Doctor Bethany. We

579
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Speaker 2: were talking about the glorified yard sale where he sold

580
00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:18,640
Speaker 2: all of her possessions, her jewelry, things that mattered to her,

581
00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:22,320
Speaker 2: all of her designer clothes and handbags. I remember, as

582
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Speaker 2: a matter of fact, I think it was your old

583
00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:30,800
Speaker 2: station WSBTV watching them inside this boutique sale. It looked

584
00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:34,080
Speaker 2: like a warehouse with all of her.

585
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:36,920
Speaker 3: Beautiful shoes and bags.

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00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:45,640
Speaker 2: And it was very quickly after she's dead, jewelry, furs, hats, everything, Yeah.

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Speaker 7: And throngs of people showed up to buy this stuff,

588
00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:51,680
Speaker 7: you know, sort of secondhand, and it was a madhouse.

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00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:54,240
Speaker 2: You know that reminds me of Mike Pachinic. It reminds

590
00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:57,680
Speaker 2: me of Drew Peterson. Well, he's been convicted in the

591
00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:02,000
Speaker 2: murder of Kathleen Savio one while, and I believe he

592
00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:07,800
Speaker 2: murdered his fourth wife, Stacy Peterson. The moment Stacy goes

593
00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:13,560
Speaker 2: missing air quotes, air quotes, he gives away lingerie, her swimsuits,

594
00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:17,160
Speaker 2: her fur coat to his girlfriend. I guess to another

595
00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:20,120
Speaker 2: woman she wasn't walking back in the front door. Kind

596
00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:23,520
Speaker 2: of reminds you of Scott Peterson. The moment Lacy went missing,

597
00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:26,800
Speaker 2: quote quoting, he immediately tries to sell a car and

598
00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:30,319
Speaker 2: gets the porn channel. This guy, I mean, what does

599
00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:33,880
Speaker 2: that say? How much did he make off the sale?

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Speaker 2: Mike Patentick, I.

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Speaker 4: Don't have the exact number.

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00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:37,840
Speaker 8: I'm sure Clink can tell you that, but I'm guessing

603
00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:39,480
Speaker 8: in the one hundreds of thousands of dollars.

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00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:41,280
Speaker 4: But it wasn't just the money, Nancy.

605
00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:46,000
Speaker 7: It was his behavior that friends testified to that really

606
00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:48,600
Speaker 7: was sort of a textbook way that you don't act

607
00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:52,040
Speaker 7: after your spouse has been, you know, unceremoniously killed.

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00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:53,640
Speaker 2: What like what what?

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00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:58,320
Speaker 8: Patentic just he wasn't distraught. He wasn't emotional. He was

610
00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:01,959
Speaker 8: just stoic and very calculated. And how he talked about

611
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:06,200
Speaker 8: his wife after her death, and that struck a lot

612
00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:10,160
Speaker 8: of people who testified the wrong way. If my wife

613
00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:12,399
Speaker 8: were killed, I'd be I'd be a hot mess.

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00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:14,840
Speaker 3: Yes, Clinton Rucker, give me an example.

615
00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:17,399
Speaker 4: Well, I'll give you a really good example. The thing

616
00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:21,480
Speaker 4: that was so inconsistent was, on the one hand, he

617
00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:25,120
Speaker 4: would tell people, oh, my goodness, Diane was the love

618
00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:26,920
Speaker 4: of my life. I don't know how I'm going to

619
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:30,040
Speaker 4: go on without her, and then in that same conversation

620
00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:33,000
Speaker 4: say hey, how much do you think I can get

621
00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:36,120
Speaker 4: for her fur coat? That kind of inconsistency said to

622
00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:39,520
Speaker 4: people that he was desperate for money and he really

623
00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:41,280
Speaker 4: didn't give a dog downe about Diane.

624
00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:46,080
Speaker 2: Well it ain't over yet. Yes, a jury convicted him,

625
00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:48,960
Speaker 2: but we ain't heard the last of Text mcguiver. Listener

626
00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:52,120
Speaker 2: our friend Dave mac at Crime on Line cut thirty.

627
00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:55,360
Speaker 11: After being sentenced to life in prison, Text mcgiver didn't

628
00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:57,640
Speaker 11: go away quietly. He has always said it was a

629
00:35:57,760 --> 00:36:02,120
Speaker 11: terrible accident. In June, of the Supreme Court reversed Text

630
00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:05,960
Speaker 11: mcgiver's convictions because they said the trial court aired in

631
00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:08,680
Speaker 11: denying his request to charge the jury on a lesser

632
00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:10,320
Speaker 11: involuntary manslaughter offense.

633
00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:14,960
Speaker 2: So the case has been reversed, Clint Rucker, what do

634
00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:20,040
Speaker 2: you expect to be done any differently in trial number two?

635
00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:24,279
Speaker 3: They convicted him on I believe voluntary.

636
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:27,920
Speaker 4: He was convicted of felony murder based on the felony

637
00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:29,799
Speaker 4: of aggravated assault for shooting as well.

638
00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:32,960
Speaker 3: Yes, so let me think this through.

639
00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:36,200
Speaker 2: For instance, in the murderg trial, if they have any

640
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:38,880
Speaker 2: sense at all when they retry that case, if there

641
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:41,400
Speaker 2: ever is a new trial, granted which I hope there's not,

642
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:44,080
Speaker 2: they will not put his linees self on the stand

643
00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:47,759
Speaker 2: because that was nail in his coffin. So what do

644
00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:50,880
Speaker 2: you think if anything will be done differently in trial

645
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:53,040
Speaker 2: number two? And they don't seem to be in any

646
00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:54,160
Speaker 2: hurry to try it either.

647
00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:57,760
Speaker 4: Well, one of the things that Judge McBurney, the trial judge,

648
00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:01,920
Speaker 4: ordered the state not to do this time that was

649
00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:07,400
Speaker 4: done the first time, is to introduce the notion that

650
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:12,160
Speaker 4: part of the motivation was the existence of a second

651
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:17,040
Speaker 4: will that Diane mcgiver had created in order to ensure

652
00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:21,160
Speaker 4: that she maintained control of the farm. As well as

653
00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:25,120
Speaker 4: all her personal assets that can't be mentioned or discussed

654
00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:26,000
Speaker 4: in the second trial.

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00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:28,439
Speaker 3: Who had a second will? Who's second will?

656
00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:29,360
Speaker 4: Diane Magiver?

657
00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:32,880
Speaker 3: So if she changed her will to state that what?

658
00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:36,320
Speaker 4: So there was a will that existed between Diane and

659
00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:39,760
Speaker 4: Text when they first got married, where they split their assets.

660
00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:44,920
Speaker 4: Right before her murder, she was talking to lawyers about

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Speaker 4: creating a second will, a different will that would leave

662
00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:54,879
Speaker 4: her assets to her godson and not to Text. There

663
00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:59,000
Speaker 4: was a worker at the Cory company who one night

664
00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:02,759
Speaker 4: says that Diana and actually asked her to make two

665
00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:06,200
Speaker 4: copies of a document that she glanced that and saw

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00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:09,160
Speaker 4: that it said last will and Testament. And so the

667
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:11,640
Speaker 4: theory from the state was that there was a second

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00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:15,680
Speaker 4: will that Diane mcgib were actually executed and that had

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00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:19,239
Speaker 4: gone missing after her death, and that that will will

670
00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:23,120
Speaker 4: would have shown Diane's true intent to leave all her

671
00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:27,360
Speaker 4: finances to her godson and not to her husband.

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00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:30,440
Speaker 2: Well, this is what I know, Clint Rucker. You need

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00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:32,719
Speaker 2: to come out of that private practice and get back

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Speaker 2: and ring and retry this case. Ma'am.

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Speaker 3: We wait as justice some souls.

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Speaker 2: Goodbye, sir,