WEBVTT - Josh Marshall & Anthony Walton 0:00:00.640 --> 0:00:04.160 Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics, 0:00:04.360 --> 0:00:07.160 where we discussed the top political headlines with some of 0:00:07.160 --> 0:00:11.799 today's best minds, and Mitch McConnell warns of a future 0:00:11.920 --> 0:00:16.599 headline Russia wins, America loses some future. We have such 0:00:16.640 --> 0:00:20.079 a great show for you today, Talking Points memo Josh 0:00:20.160 --> 0:00:24.840 Marshall stops by to survey the fallout from Signal Gazi. 0:00:25.120 --> 0:00:28.080 Then we'll talk to poet and writer Anthony Walton about 0:00:28.080 --> 0:00:31.680 his new book, The End of Respectability, Notes of a 0:00:31.720 --> 0:00:36.040 Black American, His life and his Nation. But first the news. 0:00:36.360 --> 0:00:40.680 So Bally, I think the buyer's remorse, even in the 0:00:40.720 --> 0:00:44.040 Republican Party, is starting to hit Trump's economic policies. 0:00:44.240 --> 0:00:48.400 Who could have seen it? Certainly not everyone. 0:00:48.640 --> 0:00:51.640 Certainly haven't been podcasting about this for weeks that this 0:00:51.800 --> 0:00:52.440 was going to happen. 0:00:52.960 --> 0:00:56.520 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, certainly not everyone. You'll be shocked 0:00:56.520 --> 0:01:01.360 to know that Republican Representative Bacon us that limiting Trump's 0:01:01.400 --> 0:01:05.880 presidential powers his tariff powers might have been a better idea. 0:01:06.080 --> 0:01:09.360 Congressman Don Macon says the president was never meant to 0:01:09.360 --> 0:01:13.560 have broad tariff power under the Constitution. I would add 0:01:13.720 --> 0:01:17.319 a normal president would have been fine with broad tariff 0:01:17.360 --> 0:01:20.959 power tariffs. Even Trump one point zero sort of figured 0:01:20.959 --> 0:01:23.800 out how to use tariffs. But Trump two point zero 0:01:23.800 --> 0:01:27.800 seems set to use tariffs in the most destructive way possible. 0:01:28.319 --> 0:01:31.840 And FYI, what did the Dow close down today? The 0:01:31.880 --> 0:01:35.560 markets hate this, right, this is it's in. Here's what 0:01:35.680 --> 0:01:39.800 markets hate, instability. Here's what Donald Trump is doing making 0:01:39.840 --> 0:01:40.600 them unstable? 0:01:40.840 --> 0:01:43.240 What is Donald Trump's brand? Instability? 0:01:43.319 --> 0:01:48.880 Stability? So the Dow is down about one one point 0:01:49.120 --> 0:01:53.320 six y nine percent, seven hundred points today. The SMP 0:01:53.680 --> 0:01:58.560 is down. SMP is down almost two percent today. Look, 0:01:58.640 --> 0:02:01.400 they hate it, right, they hate it. They hate the 0:02:01.480 --> 0:02:04.120 Nasdaq is down two and a half percent. People are 0:02:04.200 --> 0:02:08.600 worried about the tariffs. And I might add that Trump 0:02:08.600 --> 0:02:11.760 World is going about this as is typical, in the 0:02:11.800 --> 0:02:18.920 stupidest possible way, just completely ridiculous. So what they're doing 0:02:19.240 --> 0:02:22.440 is instead of they're raising these tariffs, and then they're 0:02:22.480 --> 0:02:26.119 saying you can't raise prices. By the way, when Harris 0:02:26.160 --> 0:02:30.040 talked about possibly doing some kind of price thing to 0:02:30.120 --> 0:02:33.760 make it so that companies couldn't gouge consumers, she was 0:02:33.840 --> 0:02:36.640 met with the pushback to end all pushbacks. So I 0:02:36.680 --> 0:02:40.320 think It's a bit interesting now that Donald Trump missed 0:02:40.360 --> 0:02:43.919 her Republicans. I thought Republicans believed in free markets, right, 0:02:44.440 --> 0:02:47.000 So here's Donald Trump saying you can't raise the price 0:02:47.000 --> 0:02:50.040 of cars even if they're more expensive for you. Pretty 0:02:50.200 --> 0:02:51.359 interesting stuff here. 0:02:51.680 --> 0:02:51.880 Yeah. 0:02:51.880 --> 0:02:54.720 And I think the Heritage Foundation, they're a little project 0:02:54.720 --> 0:02:57.520 to have unitary executive theory, is going to be seeing 0:02:57.520 --> 0:02:58.840 a little bit of pushback now. 0:02:59.360 --> 0:03:02.560 It's like they knew that this guy was a complete lunatic. 0:03:02.639 --> 0:03:06.520 I mean, it's nobody remembered Trump's first administration. I feel 0:03:06.520 --> 0:03:10.680 like I'm going crazy, like we are. So it's like 0:03:10.720 --> 0:03:16.120 the United States of Amnesia. Right. We have just completely 0:03:16.760 --> 0:03:20.079 completely gone down this rabbit hole. So now Trump has 0:03:20.120 --> 0:03:22.359 more power than he did the first time. The first time, 0:03:22.400 --> 0:03:25.239 when he had all this power, it was a complete disaster. 0:03:25.440 --> 0:03:28.760 Now he has all this power, and I guess what's 0:03:28.760 --> 0:03:31.480 going to happen. Tell me it's gonna look a lot 0:03:31.520 --> 0:03:33.639 like the first time. A complete disaster. 0:03:33.840 --> 0:03:36.080 Oh there's some writing on the wall for how much 0:03:36.080 --> 0:03:38.160 sure worse this disaster is going to get. But another 0:03:38.200 --> 0:03:42.200 thing American economy depends on to stay strong is tourism 0:03:42.320 --> 0:03:45.600 and fight bookings from Canada to the US have pummeted 0:03:45.680 --> 0:03:46.680 over seventy percent. 0:03:47.200 --> 0:03:51.880 We have hit this. Look, there are things stupider than 0:03:51.960 --> 0:03:54.680 what's happening right now, but I can't think of them 0:03:54.720 --> 0:03:57.840 right now. So Trump is having a war with Canada. 0:03:57.880 --> 0:04:02.080 He's mad at Canada because Trudeau is handsome. He's not 0:04:02.160 --> 0:04:06.120 even the PM anymore, because the Canadians are smart. I 0:04:06.120 --> 0:04:08.560 don't know, because of fent and all whatever. I mean, 0:04:08.600 --> 0:04:11.480 the truth is, this is all ridiculous. Trump is mad 0:04:11.560 --> 0:04:15.280 at Canada. So he has put in these tariffs. He 0:04:15.360 --> 0:04:19.240 has done all sorts of weird stuff to Canadians. Canadians 0:04:19.279 --> 0:04:21.840 have they have a thing now. They say elbows up, 0:04:22.120 --> 0:04:25.359 and it means that they're going to protect each other. Okay, 0:04:25.600 --> 0:04:29.120 so we are now in a hostile relationship with Canada. 0:04:29.520 --> 0:04:33.800 Canada the nicest people you've ever met, Canada. I mean 0:04:34.000 --> 0:04:36.720 it is. There are no words for how stupid this is. 0:04:36.760 --> 0:04:42.240 So as a result of our incredible stupidity, Canadians don't 0:04:42.279 --> 0:04:45.400 want to come here. So flights the US have fallen 0:04:45.480 --> 0:04:50.200 more than seventy percent. So this is April saw the 0:04:50.360 --> 0:04:54.440 steepest drop, with just two hundred thousand bookings seventy six 0:04:54.520 --> 0:04:58.919 percent from the one point three million bookings. This is real, 0:04:59.160 --> 0:05:02.480 This is gonna have real effects. Right, These are Canadians 0:05:02.600 --> 0:05:08.000 going to places like Detroit and New York and these 0:05:08.240 --> 0:05:14.520 are they're not coming terrorism terrorism, excuse me. Tourism will 0:05:14.560 --> 0:05:18.640 take a huge head. Our economy will suffer. I mean, 0:05:18.680 --> 0:05:23.920 this is like the stupidest self perpetuating moronics ever known 0:05:23.960 --> 0:05:26.280 to man. And none of us should be surprised. And 0:05:26.320 --> 0:05:30.480 this is what you people voted for. So congratulations, Maga. 0:05:30.839 --> 0:05:33.400 You didn't need that tourism anyway, Ley. 0:05:33.360 --> 0:05:35.720 I got bad news for you. There's more stupid to come. 0:05:35.920 --> 0:05:36.279 The House. 0:05:36.279 --> 0:05:38.880 Democrats are tearing it to the White House for citing 0:05:39.040 --> 0:05:41.680 you're a musk to the Signal Gate investigation. 0:05:42.000 --> 0:05:45.320 Yeah, nobody better to solve crimes than people who are 0:05:45.839 --> 0:05:49.320 sell the mystery than people who are involved in the mystery. 0:05:49.480 --> 0:05:53.640 I feel like if you get Elon Musk investigating into 0:05:53.760 --> 0:05:57.240 Signal Gazi, here's what's going to happen. Musk is going 0:05:57.320 --> 0:05:59.880 to be like, why wasn't I at it? You added 0:06:00.120 --> 0:06:04.080 f Goldberg but not me. Yeah, Like this is again, 0:06:04.400 --> 0:06:08.160 this is they want to stop corruption with corruption, and 0:06:08.200 --> 0:06:12.080 none of us should be surprised. Elon Musk will exonerate 0:06:12.200 --> 0:06:16.080 everyone involved, because of course he will, because this is 0:06:16.520 --> 0:06:19.679 where we are right now, and none of us should 0:06:19.720 --> 0:06:22.880 be surprised. And this is Somalia. 0:06:23.120 --> 0:06:23.719 As we know. 0:06:24.560 --> 0:06:28.440 The Trump administration is very excited to annex Greenland so 0:06:28.520 --> 0:06:31.240 that they could turn it over to be a libertarian 0:06:31.320 --> 0:06:34.800 play state. And the Vances went there to try to 0:06:34.839 --> 0:06:37.520 scout things out and who it did not go well. 0:06:37.600 --> 0:06:43.200 Yeah, congratulations to all who celebrate. Vance went to Greenland. 0:06:43.480 --> 0:06:46.160 So there was a lot of back and forth on this. 0:06:47.160 --> 0:06:50.360 Usha was going to go by herself, then she went 0:06:50.440 --> 0:06:54.040 with JD. Honestly, there was going to be a cultural visit. 0:06:54.160 --> 0:06:57.360 Then it was a real visit. Now they couldn't find 0:06:57.400 --> 0:07:00.719 anyone who wanted her to come to their house. The 0:07:00.839 --> 0:07:05.760 Consulate asked, I mean, this is so incredibly unsurprising. 0:07:06.279 --> 0:07:09.080 I mean, there's not a lot of people in Greenland. 0:07:09.120 --> 0:07:11.200 I looked it up. There's less people at Greenwood than 0:07:11.200 --> 0:07:15.640 fifty six. Yeah, there's barely more people than in my tiny, 0:07:15.720 --> 0:07:17.760 tiny neighborhood in Brooklyn, and I live in one of 0:07:17.800 --> 0:07:19.480 the smallest neighborhoods in Brooklyn. 0:07:19.680 --> 0:07:22.840 What I think is interesting about this Greenland thing is 0:07:22.880 --> 0:07:27.440 that you saw Vance is interesting because he's so unpopular 0:07:27.520 --> 0:07:32.840 and he's so able to kind of transmit anything reasonable. 0:07:32.920 --> 0:07:37.680 So he goes to Greenland and he and he's not 0:07:38.080 --> 0:07:40.120 dressed up, he's not wearing a suit. He's wearing this 0:07:40.240 --> 0:07:45.239 weird black sweater like somethings really disrespectful. Yeah, and he says, 0:07:46.200 --> 0:07:50.520 he goes to this base space in Greenland and he 0:07:50.560 --> 0:07:53.880 speaks to troops Vance's military force. Is not necessary for 0:07:53.960 --> 0:07:57.200 the US to expand its presence in Greenland. I mean, 0:07:57.640 --> 0:08:00.800 it's just so menacing, like leave them a loan. And 0:08:00.840 --> 0:08:03.400 then he goes after Denmark. Denmark has not done a 0:08:03.440 --> 0:08:05.680 good job for the people of Greenland and the US 0:08:05.720 --> 0:08:08.400 needs to step in. Good luck to this. I mean, 0:08:08.440 --> 0:08:10.040 there is no mean we're going to go to war 0:08:10.080 --> 0:08:13.760 with Denmark. Now. This is so stupid. Everything is so stupid. 0:08:14.000 --> 0:08:16.600 He says it Russia and China increasing their footprints in 0:08:16.640 --> 0:08:19.960 the area. Look, he had remembered this was going to 0:08:20.000 --> 0:08:21.920 be a bigger trip and he had to scale it 0:08:22.000 --> 0:08:25.040 down because of this row with the governments of Greenland 0:08:25.080 --> 0:08:28.080 and Denmark over a lack of invitation. This is what 0:08:28.120 --> 0:08:32.360 we become, right, we are We're not even invited to 0:08:32.440 --> 0:08:36.559 places like Greenland and I think this has happened so quickly. 0:08:36.720 --> 0:08:40.439 We're like in we're like two or six weeks into this, 0:08:40.840 --> 0:08:47.480 and none of us should be surprised. Josh Marshall is 0:08:47.480 --> 0:08:52.880 the editor of Talking Points Memo. Welcome back to Fast Politics, Josh. 0:08:52.600 --> 0:08:54.760 Marshall, thanks for having me. 0:08:54.920 --> 0:08:57.880 When Signal Gate happened, or as I like to call it, 0:08:57.960 --> 0:09:02.720 signal Gazi, I thought, yes, signal Gazi, I thought not. 0:09:02.920 --> 0:09:05.360 I stole it from someone on the internet. Obviously, when 0:09:05.400 --> 0:09:09.240 Signalazi happened, I thought, oh, this is going to be 0:09:09.320 --> 0:09:13.960 the beginning of what a Trump administration has historically been like. 0:09:14.160 --> 0:09:16.480 And I was not. I was not wrong. 0:09:16.960 --> 0:09:21.400 Discussed No, No, you weren't wrong. It definitely has. It's 0:09:21.440 --> 0:09:25.960 definitely broken through in a way that nothing else so 0:09:26.080 --> 0:09:30.199 far in this administration has broken through. And as always 0:09:30.800 --> 0:09:33.839 in the sort of the unique dynamics of press stories 0:09:33.920 --> 0:09:37.240 and stuff. As much as this is a big deal 0:09:37.400 --> 0:09:40.280 and a bizarre deal, like, it may be more a 0:09:40.320 --> 0:09:43.400 bizarre deal than a big deal, although it's both that 0:09:43.480 --> 0:09:46.720 it's not like other things haven't happened that were also 0:09:46.920 --> 0:09:51.240 really big deals, right and arguably much much bigger deals. 0:09:51.280 --> 0:09:55.280 But there are just dimensions of this story that it. 0:09:55.559 --> 0:09:58.280 You know, Wan dimension is that we've got this sort 0:09:58.280 --> 0:10:03.520 of like running twenty years thing about classified information, right. 0:10:03.600 --> 0:10:06.120 It's it's it's almost like a kind of a a 0:10:06.120 --> 0:10:09.360 A A A. 0:10:07.720 --> 0:10:11.960 A play trilogy that has all these little storylines in 0:10:12.000 --> 0:10:14.400 it and all these times when one thing happened or 0:10:14.400 --> 0:10:17.040 another thing happens, so everybody can say, well, I guess 0:10:17.360 --> 0:10:18.199 what about Hillary? 0:10:18.280 --> 0:10:21.280 And what about this person? About that? Every it builds 0:10:21.280 --> 0:10:22.360 in all that stuff. 0:10:22.640 --> 0:10:28.599 It obviously ties into the kind of political elites fixation 0:10:29.160 --> 0:10:33.520 on national security matters and and and and and classification. 0:10:34.000 --> 0:10:36.640 And then there's the other thing that you know, everybody 0:10:36.760 --> 0:10:40.120 people have a time when they're planning the keegger when 0:10:40.240 --> 0:10:43.120 parents are away on the weekend and you lit grandma 0:10:43.240 --> 0:10:46.079 in on the chat thread, right that kind of. 0:10:46.280 --> 0:10:49.760 Yeah, in this case, Jeff Goldberg would be grandma right. 0:10:49.720 --> 0:10:51.800 Yes, exactly, exactly exactly. 0:10:51.880 --> 0:10:54.160 And and so that there are dimensions of it like 0:10:54.200 --> 0:10:59.280 that that are very relatable to people, or even the 0:10:59.320 --> 0:11:02.960 sort of there's a sort of a visual reference we 0:11:03.040 --> 0:11:07.560 all have with the screen capture of the embarrassing text 0:11:07.679 --> 0:11:10.319 back and forth or stuff like that, so everybody can 0:11:10.400 --> 0:11:13.040 kind of relate to that where everybody can't say, like, 0:11:13.320 --> 0:11:16.360 I remember the time you shut down my USA aid, 0:11:17.080 --> 0:11:17.720 what were you thinking? 0:11:17.800 --> 0:11:17.959 Right? 0:11:18.120 --> 0:11:18.200 Right? 0:11:18.559 --> 0:11:20.600 Right, So all of those things kind of play into 0:11:20.640 --> 0:11:24.000 it and and have made it break through. And one 0:11:24.000 --> 0:11:27.440 of the things that is like all, like all stories 0:11:27.480 --> 0:11:29.320 that have a lot of legs and a lot of traction, 0:11:29.640 --> 0:11:33.600 it is to use the fancy in the fancy graduate 0:11:33.600 --> 0:11:37.679 school sense of the term. It's a very complex text, right, 0:11:37.760 --> 0:11:40.800 There's a lot in there, and people keep fighting new 0:11:40.880 --> 0:11:41.440 layers of it. 0:11:41.520 --> 0:11:44.880 So, yeah, it's so interesting when we're talking about this 0:11:45.040 --> 0:11:49.920 because it is there were this administration. I feel like 0:11:50.480 --> 0:11:53.640 I think Benghazi Gate was the beginning of Benghazi. Signal 0:11:53.679 --> 0:11:57.800 Gate was the beginning. And then we had in rapid succession, 0:11:58.360 --> 0:12:02.360 Democrats winning that effort Marry Trumpy Pennsylvania. And then we're 0:12:02.400 --> 0:12:05.080 seeing the or we're seeing the polling from this this 0:12:05.200 --> 0:12:09.480 Wisconsin judgeship looks pretty good for Dems. Now, we don't 0:12:09.480 --> 0:12:12.120 know what Elon's going to do because he's he's going 0:12:12.200 --> 0:12:15.960 to ord twenty billion dollars to the person who manages 0:12:16.040 --> 0:12:19.679 to whatever anyone who registers to vote for this Trumpy 0:12:20.040 --> 0:12:23.440 judge in Wisconsin. And remember there's also this issue in 0:12:23.480 --> 0:12:29.240 Wisconsin where we have Elon has a lawsuit about Tesla 0:12:29.320 --> 0:12:33.520 dealerships being owned by the car manufacturer, and so you have, 0:12:33.760 --> 0:12:37.000 as with everything with the Elon Musk, he's conflicted up 0:12:37.040 --> 0:12:41.079 the wazoo, and he's also involved in politics, because really 0:12:41.720 --> 0:12:44.079 how we got here and I want you to talk 0:12:44.080 --> 0:12:45.880 about this because I think you and I both agree 0:12:45.880 --> 0:12:48.640 on this. There is just a straight line between Citizens 0:12:48.760 --> 0:12:51.080 United and where the fuck we are right now? 0:12:51.280 --> 0:12:54.199 Discuss Yeah, there's absolutely no question about the absolute no 0:12:54.320 --> 0:12:55.360 question about that. 0:12:55.120 --> 0:12:56.440 That it is. 0:12:56.480 --> 0:12:59.760 I think it's hard for certainly hard for young people 0:12:59.840 --> 0:13:02.200 to know, but it's even hard for us older people 0:13:02.200 --> 0:13:06.720 to quite remember that only about fifteen years ago. Obviously, 0:13:06.800 --> 0:13:10.440 obviously very wealthy people still had a lot of attraction 0:13:10.840 --> 0:13:15.000 in politics. But this this whole kind of like I'm 0:13:15.040 --> 0:13:18.080 putting fifty million in this year just wasn't the thing. 0:13:18.120 --> 0:13:21.000 You couldn't you could not do that. There are obviously 0:13:21.040 --> 0:13:25.000 things people could do at the margins, but the it 0:13:25.480 --> 0:13:28.840 it used to be for the the the ultra rich 0:13:29.360 --> 0:13:31.800 kind of like I'm gonna I'm gonna slurp up this 0:13:31.840 --> 0:13:33.120 swimming pool through a straw. 0:13:33.200 --> 0:13:35.280 There just wasn't that. It was too tight. 0:13:35.320 --> 0:13:39.360 You couldn't do it and now where obviously it happens 0:13:39.360 --> 0:13:43.120 every year. That's the key in every in every political cycle. 0:13:43.559 --> 0:13:47.280 You have the dynamics with Democrats about their small givers 0:13:47.280 --> 0:13:50.120 and all sorts of stuff. And obviously many wealthy people, 0:13:50.280 --> 0:13:55.040 very wealthy people also contribute to Democrats. But Republican campaigns 0:13:55.120 --> 0:13:59.880 now are real dominated by the decisions of twenty years 0:13:59.880 --> 0:14:03.360 thirty people. That's the funding base, the billionaires, and that 0:14:03.480 --> 0:14:07.400 is just that's just totally new and with and you 0:14:07.480 --> 0:14:11.240 have it even more with Musk, where obviously he's he's 0:14:11.600 --> 0:14:14.960 takes it to you feel bad for the people with 0:14:15.000 --> 0:14:17.080 two or three billion who are kind of cant keep 0:14:17.160 --> 0:14:20.800 up appearances around around the Bezoses and the Musks and stuff. 0:14:21.240 --> 0:14:25.920 But with Musk he also has because of the different 0:14:26.480 --> 0:14:31.680 holds he has in communication and technology and national security stuff. 0:14:32.160 --> 0:14:34.440 That there was that moment late in the twenty twenty 0:14:34.480 --> 0:14:37.320 four campaign where people were saying, like. 0:14:37.280 --> 0:14:39.200 Can he pay people to register? 0:14:39.400 --> 0:14:42.080 Is that like that can't That's not legal, right, And 0:14:42.120 --> 0:14:47.040 I think there was a moment of recognition where he's like, yeah, yeah, 0:14:47.120 --> 0:14:49.800 sue me, dude, or like charge me, but that's not 0:14:49.800 --> 0:14:50.960 gonna work because like. 0:14:51.320 --> 0:14:53.320 Good luck rich. 0:14:54.400 --> 0:14:58.040 I'm too rich, right, I will bet the I am 0:14:58.240 --> 0:15:01.000 like a black hole and the light is going to 0:15:01.040 --> 0:15:01.840 bend around me. 0:15:02.320 --> 0:15:02.640 Kind of. 0:15:02.720 --> 0:15:05.600 Yes, that's a big moment when that happens somewhere. 0:15:05.600 --> 0:15:06.040 That's true. 0:15:06.240 --> 0:15:10.600 No, And I mean I think, like the clearly, lawlessness 0:15:10.680 --> 0:15:14.880 is how we got here, right, and lawlessness is how 0:15:15.360 --> 0:15:20.680 we'll stay here unless things get worse, which is real possible. 0:15:20.520 --> 0:15:21.479 Yeah, unquestionable. 0:15:21.600 --> 0:15:24.280 I think we are in many ways in the next 0:15:24.400 --> 0:15:28.920 year or so at this break point where we're gonna 0:15:29.560 --> 0:15:33.520 we're going to have a pivot in one direction or another. 0:15:33.960 --> 0:15:36.920 Like I think one of the dimensions of and you 0:15:37.000 --> 0:15:40.400 kind of alluded to it with these upcoming elections that 0:15:40.520 --> 0:15:44.880 are the Wisconsin one is is a is foundationally a 0:15:44.920 --> 0:15:49.840 big deal special election Florida may not be in itself 0:15:49.920 --> 0:15:51.480 the hugest deal in the world, but it may be 0:15:51.520 --> 0:15:53.880 a very big indicator. It may have a lot of 0:15:54.080 --> 0:15:57.320 political impact. And one of the things that I think 0:15:57.800 --> 0:16:00.640 I've heard a lot, I think everybody has heard this discussed, 0:16:01.040 --> 0:16:04.560 and it kind of spooks people is they don't seem 0:16:04.960 --> 0:16:07.400 they don't seem to be acting like they're worried about 0:16:07.400 --> 0:16:10.080 the next elections. That mean they have reason not to 0:16:10.120 --> 0:16:11.000 be kind of like what are we? 0:16:11.160 --> 0:16:12.200 Yeah, what's happening here? 0:16:12.280 --> 0:16:15.440 Like they why isn't gravity affecting them? Or why don't 0:16:15.440 --> 0:16:17.040 they think gravity will affect them? 0:16:17.080 --> 0:16:20.240 I mean, the good news, the good news is not 0:16:20.280 --> 0:16:22.120 to interrupt you, but the good news is they are 0:16:22.280 --> 0:16:26.480 worried because we because Trump would not have pulled the 0:16:26.680 --> 0:16:30.120 least of nominee nomination if he was not worried about 0:16:30.160 --> 0:16:35.520 losing that seed. So sank God, honestly he did that 0:16:35.600 --> 0:16:38.120 because had he not, I would have been like, why 0:16:38.200 --> 0:16:40.120 is he not worried about losing a seat when it 0:16:40.160 --> 0:16:42.280 looks like they might lose this Florida seed? And we're 0:16:42.320 --> 0:16:48.200 seeing right Trump's pollster Tony Fabrizio saying that he doesn't 0:16:48.280 --> 0:16:51.640 he sees this Florida seat, which isn't an R plus 0:16:51.720 --> 0:16:56.480 whatever our plus fifteen. I think it's yeah, first district, 0:16:56.560 --> 0:16:59.480 it's well, yes, the Macates. 0:16:58.960 --> 0:16:59.280 Or is it? 0:16:59.600 --> 0:17:00.560 There's at Gates. 0:17:00.640 --> 0:17:03.680 There's the Matt Gates district, which that election I think 0:17:03.800 --> 0:17:07.359 is the and then the Walls one is Florida six, 0:17:07.920 --> 0:17:10.600 and that's the one that's that seems the most. That 0:17:10.640 --> 0:17:16.800 one is very Republican. The Gates district is like triple Republican. Yeah, 0:17:17.000 --> 0:17:19.639 I mean it's literally like like, I mean, look if 0:17:19.680 --> 0:17:25.800 you have yes right right, So yeah, so that one 0:17:26.000 --> 0:17:28.040 is even in this climate, that would be hard. But 0:17:28.119 --> 0:17:31.720 I think I think people are wrong to be thinking 0:17:31.760 --> 0:17:34.199 there's some something up their sleeve that they might not 0:17:34.320 --> 0:17:36.560 have to worry about the next election. But what I 0:17:36.600 --> 0:17:41.840 do think you're seeing is a mix of hubris on 0:17:42.320 --> 0:17:45.880 Trump Trump and the Republican Party's part, but also a 0:17:45.920 --> 0:17:49.560 sense of kind of last chances and thinking that we 0:17:49.800 --> 0:17:52.919 are going to eighteen months is a long time and 0:17:52.960 --> 0:17:56.040 that maybe we can do so many things in eighteen 0:17:56.119 --> 0:17:59.280 months that even if we lose an election, we're going 0:17:59.359 --> 0:18:03.480 to have re you know, reoriented, retilted the game board 0:18:03.640 --> 0:18:06.960 enough that will that we can handle losing a few elections. 0:18:06.960 --> 0:18:10.800 So there's definitely a not just a sense, but a 0:18:10.880 --> 0:18:16.040 reality that everybody is everybody is doubling down, everybody's going 0:18:16.080 --> 0:18:19.719 double or nothing, and that creates this immense tension that 0:18:19.760 --> 0:18:23.320 we can all feel in American life right now. 0:18:23.359 --> 0:18:27.240 And actually, as we're talking about this, if you taught, 0:18:27.320 --> 0:18:30.480 I was talking to someone, a reporter, straight, a fancy 0:18:30.480 --> 0:18:33.359 straight reporter, who was talking to me about talking to 0:18:34.040 --> 0:18:37.520 some people from heritage who we're saying to her, we 0:18:37.600 --> 0:18:40.360 don't give a fuck. We're going to get enough stuff in. 0:18:40.880 --> 0:18:41.400 Now. 0:18:41.920 --> 0:18:44.280 The whole goal here is, and this is not a 0:18:44.320 --> 0:18:47.119 state secret, they published it in Project twenty twenty five, 0:18:47.720 --> 0:18:50.000 we're trying to flood the Supreme Court with stuff so 0:18:50.040 --> 0:18:53.560 we can radically remake the federal government. And that's what 0:18:53.600 --> 0:18:57.439 this is. Now. That said that, so they are like 0:18:57.600 --> 0:19:01.480 parallel destructive tracks. The thing as a journalist, I think 0:19:01.520 --> 0:19:04.119 you and I, at least I am the most pred 0:19:04.119 --> 0:19:07.800 out by is the disappearing grad student sending them to 0:19:08.000 --> 0:19:10.040 a detention center in Louisiana. 0:19:10.440 --> 0:19:12.640 So let's talk about I mean, there's a lot of 0:19:13.040 --> 0:19:15.760 To me, there's a lot of scary things, but that 0:19:15.880 --> 0:19:20.359 is that is one hundred percent one of them. And 0:19:20.840 --> 0:19:24.000 these things, there's so many levels of that. I think 0:19:24.040 --> 0:19:27.320 we've all now seen the woman who's a gradu student 0:19:27.320 --> 0:19:31.440 of Toughts being sort of kidnadnapped on the street. And 0:19:32.080 --> 0:19:36.000 what strikes me there though, is one thing is people 0:19:36.200 --> 0:19:39.840 who are here for educations, their lives are being their lives, 0:19:39.920 --> 0:19:43.399 their careers, et cetera, are being upended. 0:19:43.920 --> 0:19:46.960 But what strikes me there is that, first of. 0:19:46.960 --> 0:19:52.040 All the security you have as a as a student 0:19:52.119 --> 0:19:54.960 visa holder in the United States is thin. Right, You 0:19:55.000 --> 0:19:58.200 don't have a lot of rights as opposed to a 0:19:57.280 --> 0:20:03.240 Green cardholder or a citizen. But in that case, let's say, 0:20:03.320 --> 0:20:07.000 let's say we accept for the purposes of discussion that Okay, 0:20:07.080 --> 0:20:09.600 they decided that they don't want her anymore as a 0:20:09.600 --> 0:20:10.880 student in the United States. 0:20:10.960 --> 0:20:13.520 There is a simple way to deal with that. 0:20:13.920 --> 0:20:16.640 You call the person up that the United States has 0:20:16.720 --> 0:20:18.600 records of them, they know the phone number, they know 0:20:18.640 --> 0:20:20.520 where they're living, blah blah. That's part of having a 0:20:20.560 --> 0:20:23.399 student visa. You call them up and say you did X, 0:20:23.480 --> 0:20:25.600 Y and Z, and we're not comfortable having you here 0:20:25.680 --> 0:20:28.800 here anymore, notifying you that your visa is revoked and 0:20:28.840 --> 0:20:31.320 you have one month to leave the United States. And 0:20:31.440 --> 0:20:35.320 that's a bummer for her education and her professional future 0:20:35.520 --> 0:20:38.159 and her life in the United States. But that is 0:20:38.200 --> 0:20:41.520 an orderly thing, right, you get a flight, Okay. The 0:20:41.640 --> 0:20:45.080 point of doing this thing where you're walking down the 0:20:45.119 --> 0:20:47.840 street and a bunch of guys who look like they've 0:20:47.920 --> 0:20:51.199 just come over from the skate park grab you, some 0:20:51.320 --> 0:20:57.119 of them masked, that that is a spectacle of terror 0:20:57.400 --> 0:21:01.159 that is meant to terrify. Yeah, and lots of people 0:21:01.200 --> 0:21:03.800 in the country, certainly everybody here in a student visa, 0:21:04.280 --> 0:21:06.960 but also people who are here on green cards, because 0:21:07.000 --> 0:21:11.280 we know this other guy at Columbia was taken not 0:21:11.640 --> 0:21:15.680 quite in the same dramatic fashion, but relatively dramatic fashion, 0:21:16.280 --> 0:21:18.800 and then they're taken off to some other part of 0:21:18.960 --> 0:21:22.320 kind of intentionally getting them a couple thousand miles away 0:21:22.320 --> 0:21:25.600 from where they started. Just just there's a whole there's 0:21:25.600 --> 0:21:27.840 a whole drama to that, a whole terror to that, 0:21:28.400 --> 0:21:31.440 and that is that's not just meant for that person, 0:21:31.680 --> 0:21:36.240 that's meant for anybody who is looks at all like them, 0:21:36.640 --> 0:21:41.359 has a similar immigration status to them, to walk around 0:21:41.600 --> 0:21:44.479 in a real degree of terror. And if someone says, hey, 0:21:44.520 --> 0:21:47.560 you want to come to this meeting we're holding about 0:21:47.640 --> 0:21:50.119 about the West Bank, It's like, no, I no, I 0:21:50.160 --> 0:21:54.360 don't I believe me. I'm just focused on studying, right. 0:21:54.400 --> 0:21:58.360 So it's that aspect of it that is. The other 0:21:58.400 --> 0:22:01.640 aspects are very important. But Hill's speech. 0:22:02.640 --> 0:22:03.640 They want, they. 0:22:03.600 --> 0:22:09.080 Want the visuals that really make people feel like they're 0:22:09.200 --> 0:22:12.120 living in a police state, Like we have these metaphors 0:22:12.359 --> 0:22:15.560 in American political culture, knock on the door in the night, now. 0:22:15.440 --> 0:22:17.399 Did you get them? They ran the doorbell. 0:22:17.000 --> 0:22:20.840 Being disappeared, And in most of our lives, those those 0:22:20.880 --> 0:22:22.639 have been negative metaphors, right. 0:22:24.200 --> 0:22:24.879 Or no, it's. 0:22:26.600 --> 0:22:30.720 Right, right. I think it's also a couple of things 0:22:30.800 --> 0:22:34.280 that I'm struck by when we talk about this. It's 0:22:34.359 --> 0:22:37.200 obviously a war on free speech. But and I want 0:22:37.359 --> 0:22:41.240 since we're both Jews, and we're both liberals, and we're 0:22:41.240 --> 0:22:44.600 both I'm a little younger than you are, sorry, but 0:22:44.680 --> 0:22:49.200