1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:04,720 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,840 --> 00:00:09,119 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,240 --> 00:00:12,200 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A 4 00:00:12,280 --> 00:00:13,920 Speaker 1: production of iHeartRadio. 5 00:00:24,160 --> 00:00:25,479 Speaker 2: Hello, welcome back to the show. 6 00:00:25,520 --> 00:00:27,639 Speaker 3: My name is Matt, my name is Noel. 7 00:00:27,840 --> 00:00:28,880 Speaker 1: They call me Ben. 8 00:00:28,960 --> 00:00:32,120 Speaker 4: We're joined as always with our super producer, all Mission 9 00:00:32,159 --> 00:00:37,320 Speaker 4: Control Decant. Most importantly, you are here and that makes 10 00:00:37,360 --> 00:00:41,400 Speaker 4: this the stuff they don't want you to know. If 11 00:00:41,440 --> 00:00:45,480 Speaker 4: you're hearing this on the evening it comes out, then 12 00:00:45,760 --> 00:00:48,320 Speaker 4: welcome to Thursday. 13 00:00:48,080 --> 00:00:49,519 Speaker 1: We like to do. 14 00:00:50,120 --> 00:00:53,440 Speaker 4: We like to do a weekly segment here where we 15 00:00:53,520 --> 00:00:57,560 Speaker 4: hear from our favorite part of the show, you, specifically you, 16 00:00:57,680 --> 00:01:00,880 Speaker 4: fellow conspiracy realist. We're gonna hear from quite a few 17 00:01:00,880 --> 00:01:05,440 Speaker 4: of you today. We're gonna learn more about the follow 18 00:01:05,520 --> 00:01:11,039 Speaker 4: up conversation on donating one's body to science. We are 19 00:01:11,120 --> 00:01:16,080 Speaker 4: going to talk a little bit about you know, we'll 20 00:01:16,080 --> 00:01:18,880 Speaker 4: do like a dark prairie home companion, just some nice 21 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:22,560 Speaker 4: letters from abroad. I do think we stirred up a 22 00:01:22,560 --> 00:01:26,880 Speaker 4: little trouble in Australia. We're learning a lot about learning 23 00:01:26,920 --> 00:01:31,199 Speaker 4: a lot about bogins. But before we do any of that, Matt, 24 00:01:31,640 --> 00:01:36,959 Speaker 4: we got this great email regarding propaganda we did. 25 00:01:37,280 --> 00:01:39,200 Speaker 2: I'm going to tell you about that email in just 26 00:01:39,240 --> 00:01:45,080 Speaker 2: one moment after putting something on the record. Guys, today Friday, 27 00:01:45,280 --> 00:01:50,240 Speaker 2: June thirtieth, as we're recording this episode, this podcast is 28 00:01:50,360 --> 00:01:54,720 Speaker 2: number one on the Society and Culture charts on Apple Podcasts. 29 00:01:55,400 --> 00:01:57,400 Speaker 2: And guess who's number two. 30 00:01:57,800 --> 00:01:59,400 Speaker 1: That sounds like some stuff you should know. 31 00:02:00,160 --> 00:02:03,840 Speaker 3: Yes, ha, we the. 32 00:02:06,840 --> 00:02:10,560 Speaker 2: Stuff is controlling the Apple charts and our big bros 33 00:02:10,639 --> 00:02:12,680 Speaker 2: over and stuff. You should know our number two. I 34 00:02:12,840 --> 00:02:14,840 Speaker 2: wanted you guys to know. I texted Josh with an 35 00:02:14,919 --> 00:02:19,079 Speaker 2: image of it and his response was nicely done. Guys, 36 00:02:19,400 --> 00:02:20,600 Speaker 2: U s obs. 37 00:02:24,880 --> 00:02:25,480 Speaker 3: Holding strong. 38 00:02:25,520 --> 00:02:29,320 Speaker 5: A day later, I was surprised. Those chart pops are 39 00:02:29,400 --> 00:02:31,239 Speaker 5: kind of a flash in the pan. But we'll see 40 00:02:31,240 --> 00:02:33,640 Speaker 5: if we can hold onto that title. 41 00:02:33,840 --> 00:02:35,880 Speaker 2: We just wanted to take a moment to thank everybody 42 00:02:35,960 --> 00:02:39,320 Speaker 2: for listening. If you are listening right now, hopefully, hopefully 43 00:02:39,360 --> 00:02:41,840 Speaker 2: that's what's happening. If you have a moment, please head 44 00:02:41,919 --> 00:02:44,880 Speaker 2: on over to Apple and give us a review. You 45 00:02:44,880 --> 00:02:46,239 Speaker 2: don't have to spend a lot of time, just a 46 00:02:46,320 --> 00:02:47,960 Speaker 2: quick one. Just let us know what you think about 47 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:51,720 Speaker 2: the show. It would mean a great deal to us. Okay, Well, 48 00:02:51,800 --> 00:02:53,880 Speaker 2: somebody who wrote to us and let us know what 49 00:02:53,919 --> 00:02:58,440 Speaker 2: they think and has a really great idea is suspended beliefs. 50 00:02:58,919 --> 00:03:02,639 Speaker 2: Suspended beliefs right, it's Dear Conspirators. My girlfriend recently got 51 00:03:02,639 --> 00:03:04,679 Speaker 2: me in dear show, and I'm a fan, but I've 52 00:03:04,680 --> 00:03:07,400 Speaker 2: not listened to every episode yet. No shame in that 53 00:03:07,639 --> 00:03:10,760 Speaker 2: suspended beliefs. Please forgive me. If you've already covered this, 54 00:03:10,840 --> 00:03:12,760 Speaker 2: I would love for you to do an episode or 55 00:03:12,800 --> 00:03:17,200 Speaker 2: two on Gustave Lebon's The Crowd, a study of the 56 00:03:17,240 --> 00:03:21,280 Speaker 2: popular mind from eighteen ninety five. This book is like 57 00:03:21,400 --> 00:03:26,800 Speaker 2: patient zero of twentieth century propaganda. Teddy Roosevelt, Edward Burnez, 58 00:03:26,880 --> 00:03:31,560 Speaker 2: and Joseph Gerbels all read and quoted it. Lebon not 59 00:03:31,639 --> 00:03:34,880 Speaker 2: only insightfully described many of the traits of groups, but 60 00:03:35,040 --> 00:03:38,920 Speaker 2: almost created a blueprint of how to become a demagogue. 61 00:03:39,480 --> 00:03:42,000 Speaker 2: Lebon is one of the first to analyze the intellect 62 00:03:42,080 --> 00:03:45,760 Speaker 2: of groups as separate and almost beyond comparability to the 63 00:03:45,840 --> 00:03:50,040 Speaker 2: individual's intellects, as opposed to simply seeing individuals in a 64 00:03:50,080 --> 00:03:54,040 Speaker 2: group as having a reduced intelligence. He describes and analyzes 65 00:03:54,120 --> 00:03:57,880 Speaker 2: group think almost sixty years before the term is coined, 66 00:03:58,440 --> 00:04:00,880 Speaker 2: I might hope that if enough people read this book, 67 00:04:01,160 --> 00:04:05,000 Speaker 2: it could inoculate humans to manipulation, but I'm certain it 68 00:04:05,080 --> 00:04:08,720 Speaker 2: already helped infect society with the propagandists that your show 69 00:04:08,760 --> 00:04:12,920 Speaker 2: seems to aim to expose. Disclaimer the book is xenophobic 70 00:04:12,960 --> 00:04:16,240 Speaker 2: and supports manifest destiny. The book is evil, and I 71 00:04:16,240 --> 00:04:19,719 Speaker 2: would only recommend it to skeptically or highly critical readers. 72 00:04:20,560 --> 00:04:24,159 Speaker 2: Hope it fuels your contemplation, and thank you for informing 73 00:04:24,200 --> 00:04:27,279 Speaker 2: me on many subjects. Best regards suspended beliefs. 74 00:04:28,400 --> 00:04:31,000 Speaker 1: There's a quote, can we do a Lebon quote? 75 00:04:31,040 --> 00:04:31,200 Speaker 2: Is that? 76 00:04:31,320 --> 00:04:32,160 Speaker 3: Okay? Yeah? 77 00:04:32,240 --> 00:04:33,280 Speaker 1: Nice one quote. 78 00:04:33,360 --> 00:04:36,000 Speaker 4: The leaders we speak of are usually men of action 79 00:04:36,279 --> 00:04:39,520 Speaker 4: rather than of words. They are not gifted with keen foresight. 80 00:04:39,800 --> 00:04:44,159 Speaker 4: They are especially recruited from the ranks of those morbidly nervous, excitable, 81 00:04:44,279 --> 00:04:49,880 Speaker 4: half deranged persons who are bordering on madness. That is 82 00:04:49,920 --> 00:04:55,640 Speaker 4: who Lebon argues is in charge of groupthink, of the 83 00:04:55,720 --> 00:05:00,040 Speaker 4: collective what do you call it? The psychological crowd? This 84 00:05:00,160 --> 00:05:02,719 Speaker 4: is and this guy is pre Burneese right. 85 00:05:02,920 --> 00:05:06,760 Speaker 2: Yes again. This book is published in eighteen ninety five, 86 00:05:06,960 --> 00:05:09,479 Speaker 2: and then it was put to English the next year, 87 00:05:09,560 --> 00:05:10,919 Speaker 2: in eighteen ninety six. 88 00:05:11,279 --> 00:05:14,279 Speaker 5: And it's kind of interesting how much advertising has in 89 00:05:14,320 --> 00:05:16,960 Speaker 5: common with propaganda. I mean, they're really plan out of 90 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:20,360 Speaker 5: the same rule book. You know, it's just like propaganda 91 00:05:20,440 --> 00:05:22,960 Speaker 5: for a thing that you buy instead of like an idea. 92 00:05:23,360 --> 00:05:24,520 Speaker 3: But sometimes it is an idea. 93 00:05:24,560 --> 00:05:27,159 Speaker 5: Sometimes you buy into the idea, you know, just as 94 00:05:27,279 --> 00:05:30,719 Speaker 5: much as you do like a product. Yeah, it's just yeah, 95 00:05:30,800 --> 00:05:32,560 Speaker 5: that's that's really an interesting parallel. 96 00:05:32,600 --> 00:05:36,039 Speaker 2: Now, the whole thing is tremendously fascinating. We've covered it 97 00:05:36,080 --> 00:05:38,720 Speaker 2: a lot on this show. Edward Burnees is one of 98 00:05:38,760 --> 00:05:42,320 Speaker 2: the first individuals that we ever talked about as being, 99 00:05:42,560 --> 00:05:45,599 Speaker 2: you know, highly influential when it comes to these things. 100 00:05:46,120 --> 00:05:47,840 Speaker 2: You can check out. I think it might have been 101 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:50,640 Speaker 2: one of the first episodes of the podcast. It was 102 00:05:50,640 --> 00:05:53,839 Speaker 2: certainly one of the first episodes of the video, wasn't 103 00:05:53,839 --> 00:05:54,720 Speaker 2: it the first. 104 00:05:54,600 --> 00:05:56,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, it was, doubt absolutely. I was top top three 105 00:05:57,040 --> 00:05:58,440 Speaker 3: first verse three for sure. 106 00:05:58,640 --> 00:06:02,359 Speaker 2: M hm. And again, and this is somebody Lebonne who 107 00:06:02,520 --> 00:06:07,040 Speaker 2: influenced Brene's's thinking, and even Sigmund Freud was influenced by 108 00:06:07,440 --> 00:06:10,840 Speaker 2: by this person's writing. I think it's worth a deep 109 00:06:10,920 --> 00:06:14,560 Speaker 2: dive on our end to really get into this, to 110 00:06:14,680 --> 00:06:17,200 Speaker 2: actually read the book It's only one hundred and thirty pages, guys, 111 00:06:17,400 --> 00:06:19,719 Speaker 2: so you know, we can get through it pretty quickly. 112 00:06:21,480 --> 00:06:25,520 Speaker 2: But goodness, it is pretty terrifying. Let's just give a 113 00:06:25,640 --> 00:06:29,520 Speaker 2: quick outline of some of the chapters here. Book one, 114 00:06:29,800 --> 00:06:33,680 Speaker 2: or like really, Chapter one is titled The Mind of Crowds. 115 00:06:33,839 --> 00:06:38,760 Speaker 2: It gets into how crowds function, and again, in this case, 116 00:06:38,920 --> 00:06:42,599 Speaker 2: I think the author is talking about just large gatherings 117 00:06:42,640 --> 00:06:45,360 Speaker 2: of people when we're talking about a crowd, and they're 118 00:06:45,360 --> 00:06:51,800 Speaker 2: talking about the power and individual feels when inside a crowd, 119 00:06:52,320 --> 00:06:55,159 Speaker 2: the feeling of an ability to do things you wouldn't 120 00:06:55,200 --> 00:06:58,839 Speaker 2: normally do if you were just yourself standing, you know, 121 00:06:58,960 --> 00:07:01,640 Speaker 2: in the street, rather than with one hundred or a 122 00:07:01,720 --> 00:07:06,640 Speaker 2: thousand other people. It gets into the reasoning abilities of 123 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:09,479 Speaker 2: a person who is being influenced by a bunch of 124 00:07:09,480 --> 00:07:13,600 Speaker 2: others around them, and even the the ethics or the 125 00:07:13,640 --> 00:07:18,040 Speaker 2: morals of an individual person. So it is really, I 126 00:07:18,040 --> 00:07:21,280 Speaker 2: don't know, it's creepy to me to analyze it in 127 00:07:21,320 --> 00:07:23,400 Speaker 2: that way, and maybe to put some of these ideas 128 00:07:23,440 --> 00:07:27,120 Speaker 2: down on paper, because really, it seems the aim of 129 00:07:27,120 --> 00:07:32,160 Speaker 2: this book is to tell the reader how to manipulate 130 00:07:32,240 --> 00:07:35,080 Speaker 2: that group into doing what you want them to do 131 00:07:35,920 --> 00:07:37,360 Speaker 2: really speaks to politics to me. 132 00:07:37,720 --> 00:07:40,000 Speaker 5: I found it interesting that you mentioned that Freud was 133 00:07:40,040 --> 00:07:44,720 Speaker 5: also inspired or influenced by this book kind of. I mean, 134 00:07:44,760 --> 00:07:48,560 Speaker 5: I guess maybe Freud has always had some slightly problematic 135 00:07:48,680 --> 00:07:51,960 Speaker 5: parts of his philosophy, maybe have an aided super well. 136 00:07:51,960 --> 00:07:54,080 Speaker 5: But I guess I never really thought of him as 137 00:07:54,160 --> 00:07:57,040 Speaker 5: trying to manipulate people exactly. I thought he was more 138 00:07:57,040 --> 00:07:59,880 Speaker 5: seeking to kind of understand how the mind works. But 139 00:08:01,400 --> 00:08:02,960 Speaker 5: can you kind of give me, give a little more 140 00:08:02,960 --> 00:08:07,240 Speaker 5: insight into what parts of this thinking might have influenced 141 00:08:07,280 --> 00:08:10,200 Speaker 5: someone like Freud or you maybe wouldn't associate with this 142 00:08:10,320 --> 00:08:10,800 Speaker 5: kind of thing. 143 00:08:11,160 --> 00:08:13,240 Speaker 2: Well, you know, I don't know for sure, Noal, I 144 00:08:13,240 --> 00:08:17,200 Speaker 2: think part of it goes back to Lebon's discussions of 145 00:08:17,440 --> 00:08:22,240 Speaker 2: the instincts a person feels and acts upon when part 146 00:08:22,280 --> 00:08:26,400 Speaker 2: of a crowd, almost that subconscious moving with the flow 147 00:08:26,600 --> 00:08:30,760 Speaker 2: kind of thing that occurs. This is from the book quote. 148 00:08:31,280 --> 00:08:33,440 Speaker 2: By the mere fact that he forms part of an 149 00:08:33,520 --> 00:08:37,000 Speaker 2: organized crowd, a man descends several rungs in the latter 150 00:08:37,080 --> 00:08:40,760 Speaker 2: of civilization. Now interesting, you know, way to put that right? 151 00:08:42,880 --> 00:08:46,079 Speaker 4: A person is brilliant, a crowd is yes, a person 152 00:08:46,120 --> 00:08:47,560 Speaker 4: is brilliant people are stupid. 153 00:08:47,960 --> 00:08:51,000 Speaker 2: That's essentially me. Here we go, let's keep going isolated. 154 00:08:51,000 --> 00:08:54,320 Speaker 2: He may be a cultivated individual in a crowd. He 155 00:08:54,400 --> 00:08:58,199 Speaker 2: is a barbarian, that is a creature acting by instinct. 156 00:08:58,480 --> 00:09:02,240 Speaker 2: He possesses the spontaneity, the violence, the ferocity, and the 157 00:09:02,400 --> 00:09:05,520 Speaker 2: enthusiasm and heroism of primitive beings. 158 00:09:06,240 --> 00:09:10,520 Speaker 4: Got look if I'm understanding this correctly too, he had 159 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:15,480 Speaker 4: Lebon despite you know, the xenophobia, which is a really 160 00:09:15,559 --> 00:09:22,000 Speaker 4: great point there. Lebon says, there are three key elements 161 00:09:22,040 --> 00:09:25,439 Speaker 4: that become dangerous in this kind of group. Thin and First, 162 00:09:25,640 --> 00:09:29,400 Speaker 4: like you pointed out, Matt is anonymity, similar to being 163 00:09:29,480 --> 00:09:35,440 Speaker 4: a commentator on an online forum, you're anonymous. Second, he 164 00:09:36,200 --> 00:09:39,959 Speaker 4: shouts out what he calls contagion, the idea that this 165 00:09:40,040 --> 00:09:44,440 Speaker 4: group think is somehow communicable. Right, so you tend to 166 00:09:44,440 --> 00:09:49,280 Speaker 4: go with the flow. And three suggestibility. That's why when 167 00:09:49,320 --> 00:09:53,520 Speaker 4: you're in a crowd, or that's why like every Pitchfork 168 00:09:53,600 --> 00:09:58,160 Speaker 4: scene in a movie starts with someone saying burden and 169 00:09:58,200 --> 00:10:03,080 Speaker 4: then everybody else standing there because they are a part 170 00:10:03,120 --> 00:10:06,000 Speaker 4: of an amorphous crowd, they just yes and it. 171 00:10:06,559 --> 00:10:06,839 Speaker 2: Yeah. 172 00:10:07,240 --> 00:10:09,880 Speaker 1: I think Lebon is talking about when improv goes. 173 00:10:09,640 --> 00:10:13,600 Speaker 2: Wrong kind of No, you're yeah, I'm going to continue 174 00:10:13,640 --> 00:10:15,080 Speaker 2: quote just a little more because it speaks to what 175 00:10:15,080 --> 00:10:17,680 Speaker 2: you're talking about here, Ben. It says he allows himself 176 00:10:17,679 --> 00:10:20,960 Speaker 2: to be impressed by words and images which would be 177 00:10:21,280 --> 00:10:25,520 Speaker 2: entirely without action on each of the isolated individuals composing 178 00:10:25,520 --> 00:10:29,160 Speaker 2: the crowd, and to be induced to commit acts contrary 179 00:10:29,280 --> 00:10:33,280 Speaker 2: to his most obvious interests and his best known habits. 180 00:10:33,840 --> 00:10:36,840 Speaker 2: That is really interesting, right, because that's something we have seen, 181 00:10:37,640 --> 00:10:42,480 Speaker 2: especially in Western politics, where somehow politicians can get in 182 00:10:42,520 --> 00:10:46,360 Speaker 2: there and get you, as the individual, when acting as 183 00:10:46,400 --> 00:10:51,160 Speaker 2: a you know, as a voting public, to act against 184 00:10:51,240 --> 00:10:54,640 Speaker 2: your own best interests, right, no matter who you're voting for, 185 00:10:54,720 --> 00:10:56,680 Speaker 2: no matter what the thing it is that you believe, 186 00:10:56,960 --> 00:10:59,679 Speaker 2: there's probably something in there that you are voting for, 187 00:10:59,760 --> 00:11:02,200 Speaker 2: act we or fighting for actively that is against your 188 00:11:02,240 --> 00:11:03,280 Speaker 2: own best interests. 189 00:11:03,400 --> 00:11:08,480 Speaker 5: Oh sure, it is in the politician's best interest to 190 00:11:08,520 --> 00:11:10,720 Speaker 5: obfuscate a lot of those things and like have it 191 00:11:10,760 --> 00:11:14,599 Speaker 5: be you know, create like a rhetorical sort of scenario 192 00:11:14,720 --> 00:11:16,920 Speaker 5: that allows people to say, yes, that's the guy, because 193 00:11:16,920 --> 00:11:19,440 Speaker 5: they're giving me someone to hate, they're giving me someone 194 00:11:19,520 --> 00:11:21,800 Speaker 5: to like, you know, other and sort of think of 195 00:11:21,840 --> 00:11:25,240 Speaker 5: as like my enemy, when oftentimes the politician themselves are 196 00:11:25,320 --> 00:11:28,240 Speaker 5: your enemy and are working actively against your best interests, 197 00:11:28,280 --> 00:11:30,800 Speaker 5: but they're sort of tricking you into thinking. 198 00:11:30,880 --> 00:11:33,359 Speaker 3: Like this is how Hiller sort of succeeded. 199 00:11:33,400 --> 00:11:36,440 Speaker 5: You know, He's he kind of subsumed power by convincing 200 00:11:36,480 --> 00:11:38,840 Speaker 5: people that there were these other people at fault, with 201 00:11:38,880 --> 00:11:41,400 Speaker 5: other people to blame, but then he was actively working 202 00:11:41,440 --> 00:11:43,680 Speaker 5: against their best interests too, at least like the working 203 00:11:43,720 --> 00:11:45,400 Speaker 5: class type of folks, you know, well. 204 00:11:45,320 --> 00:11:51,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, and it even gets into our individual economic habits, 205 00:11:51,120 --> 00:11:55,280 Speaker 2: but they're actually a group action that we're taking. Like 206 00:11:55,360 --> 00:11:59,960 Speaker 2: do I actually need a fourteen hundred dollars phone? Right? 207 00:12:00,080 --> 00:12:03,160 Speaker 2: Do I actually need that? Or a device with a 208 00:12:03,280 --> 00:12:08,040 Speaker 2: special operating system a specific one, because everybody I know 209 00:12:08,320 --> 00:12:11,720 Speaker 2: and that I see online has that that very expensive 210 00:12:11,720 --> 00:12:14,760 Speaker 2: phone with that operating system, so that when I send 211 00:12:14,760 --> 00:12:17,640 Speaker 2: text messages they're all the same color. Like how much 212 00:12:17,679 --> 00:12:21,000 Speaker 2: are we being influenced with these group things that we 213 00:12:21,040 --> 00:12:23,920 Speaker 2: feel we're a part of and acting against our own 214 00:12:23,920 --> 00:12:24,959 Speaker 2: individual interests? 215 00:12:25,720 --> 00:12:26,040 Speaker 3: I don't know. 216 00:12:26,080 --> 00:12:28,319 Speaker 2: I think expands the whole board here, guys. 217 00:12:28,360 --> 00:12:30,800 Speaker 3: A million percent, dude, that's fascinating stuff. 218 00:12:31,240 --> 00:12:33,520 Speaker 5: Some people are able to live outside of those, you 219 00:12:33,520 --> 00:12:36,400 Speaker 5: know constructs like I have a really really good old 220 00:12:36,400 --> 00:12:38,559 Speaker 5: friend who still has a flip phone. He refuses to 221 00:12:38,920 --> 00:12:41,360 Speaker 5: get that twelve hundred dollars phone, not because he can't 222 00:12:41,400 --> 00:12:43,880 Speaker 5: afford it, just because he does not want to participate 223 00:12:43,920 --> 00:12:46,560 Speaker 5: in that group. Think yeah, and he actively, you know, 224 00:12:47,640 --> 00:12:49,320 Speaker 5: pushes it away and so it doesn't want to be 225 00:12:49,320 --> 00:12:49,760 Speaker 5: a part of it. 226 00:12:49,880 --> 00:12:52,440 Speaker 3: Not like he's some contrarian, you know, he. 227 00:12:52,400 --> 00:12:54,319 Speaker 5: Just has his own kind of moral code, his own 228 00:12:54,320 --> 00:12:57,160 Speaker 5: set of like individualistic kind of principles, and he doesn't 229 00:12:57,200 --> 00:12:58,320 Speaker 5: want to be a part of that. But there is 230 00:12:58,360 --> 00:13:00,320 Speaker 5: a point though, where if you don't become hard that 231 00:13:00,360 --> 00:13:02,440 Speaker 5: you get left behind and then you kind of get 232 00:13:02,480 --> 00:13:07,000 Speaker 5: cast out and you can't participate, you know, in society. 233 00:13:07,240 --> 00:13:09,400 Speaker 5: It's interesting, you know, it's a trap. 234 00:13:09,760 --> 00:13:12,520 Speaker 2: Certainly feels that way to me. Let us know what 235 00:13:12,559 --> 00:13:15,280 Speaker 2: you think. We'll tell you how to contact us right 236 00:13:15,320 --> 00:13:17,319 Speaker 2: at the end of this episode, but for now, we're 237 00:13:17,360 --> 00:13:19,040 Speaker 2: going to take a quick break. Here, a word from 238 00:13:19,040 --> 00:13:28,160 Speaker 2: our sponsors, and we'll be right back, and we're. 239 00:13:27,960 --> 00:13:33,320 Speaker 5: Back with more messages from you, Yes, you the public, 240 00:13:33,960 --> 00:13:37,600 Speaker 5: all you conspiracy realists out there, and again to mirror 241 00:13:37,640 --> 00:13:40,400 Speaker 5: what Matt said, Thanks from the bottom of all of 242 00:13:40,440 --> 00:13:43,400 Speaker 5: our hearts for supporting the show, for writing in, for 243 00:13:43,480 --> 00:13:46,559 Speaker 5: helping us get the word out there and telling your 244 00:13:46,600 --> 00:13:50,680 Speaker 5: friends and converting others into conspiracy realists. We really appreciate 245 00:13:50,720 --> 00:13:53,120 Speaker 5: it more than you know, and we really appreciate this 246 00:13:53,200 --> 00:13:56,080 Speaker 5: message from anonymous. And to that point, if you ever 247 00:13:56,120 --> 00:13:57,920 Speaker 5: write into us and you want us to not use 248 00:13:57,960 --> 00:14:00,319 Speaker 5: your name, we're all about it, you know, all about 249 00:14:00,640 --> 00:14:01,760 Speaker 5: anonymity of the. 250 00:14:01,679 --> 00:14:04,839 Speaker 3: Crowd in a positive way in this case. 251 00:14:05,480 --> 00:14:09,160 Speaker 5: But this message refers to a recent Strange News episode 252 00:14:09,200 --> 00:14:10,800 Speaker 5: we did. I believe it was a story that I 253 00:14:10,880 --> 00:14:18,079 Speaker 5: brought about Harvard Medical School employee or Morgue manager selling 254 00:14:18,640 --> 00:14:22,120 Speaker 5: body parts to like curio sho. 255 00:14:22,200 --> 00:14:23,800 Speaker 3: Okay, maybe curio is the wrong word. 256 00:14:23,800 --> 00:14:27,880 Speaker 5: Oddity shops like places that maybe their stock in trade 257 00:14:27,920 --> 00:14:31,320 Speaker 5: is things like human skulls or mummified. 258 00:14:30,840 --> 00:14:32,320 Speaker 3: Remains and things like that. 259 00:14:32,560 --> 00:14:35,200 Speaker 5: And it turns out that there are some really shady 260 00:14:35,240 --> 00:14:38,760 Speaker 5: ways that people acquire some of these types of items. 261 00:14:39,080 --> 00:14:42,960 Speaker 5: Case in point, this Harvard Medical School scandal. But this 262 00:14:43,040 --> 00:14:46,560 Speaker 5: listener writes in as a really interesting perspective on how 263 00:14:47,360 --> 00:14:50,640 Speaker 5: donating your body to science actually works, the nuts and 264 00:14:50,640 --> 00:14:51,280 Speaker 5: bolts of it all. 265 00:14:51,320 --> 00:14:51,760 Speaker 3: So here we Go. 266 00:14:52,400 --> 00:14:55,040 Speaker 5: I was appalled by the strange news segment about a 267 00:14:55,080 --> 00:14:58,360 Speaker 5: Harvard Medical School employee selling parts of donated bodies. My 268 00:14:58,480 --> 00:15:00,960 Speaker 5: mother decided many years before her death to donate her 269 00:15:00,960 --> 00:15:04,240 Speaker 5: body to the School of Medicine University of Mississippi Medical 270 00:15:04,280 --> 00:15:08,080 Speaker 5: Center in Jackson, Mississippi. She had assigned agreement with the 271 00:15:08,120 --> 00:15:10,880 Speaker 5: school in two thousand. She spent her final days in 272 00:15:10,920 --> 00:15:13,200 Speaker 5: a hospital in another part of the state. We had 273 00:15:13,240 --> 00:15:15,960 Speaker 5: made sure the hospital staff had a copy of the 274 00:15:16,000 --> 00:15:19,360 Speaker 5: body donation agreement. It was the family's responsibility to call 275 00:15:19,560 --> 00:15:23,520 Speaker 5: UMMC as soon as she was declared dead. UMMC sent 276 00:15:23,600 --> 00:15:26,880 Speaker 5: a van immediately to pick up the body. Obviously, the 277 00:15:26,920 --> 00:15:29,520 Speaker 5: body must be received as soon as possible after death 278 00:15:29,720 --> 00:15:32,320 Speaker 5: so it can be preserved for medical students to study. 279 00:15:32,600 --> 00:15:35,440 Speaker 5: About two years later, when they were ready to cremate 280 00:15:35,480 --> 00:15:38,640 Speaker 5: her remains, they offered to send the cremains to the 281 00:15:38,720 --> 00:15:43,800 Speaker 5: family or UMMC could inter the cremains in a cemetery 282 00:15:43,920 --> 00:15:48,280 Speaker 5: at the school. Throughout the process, I received several updates 283 00:15:48,320 --> 00:15:52,320 Speaker 5: from the medical school, all expressing deep gratitude and assurances 284 00:15:52,320 --> 00:15:55,200 Speaker 5: that the body was being treated with respect and dignity 285 00:15:55,240 --> 00:15:59,200 Speaker 5: by the staff and students. UMMC holds an annual celebration 286 00:15:59,400 --> 00:16:04,080 Speaker 5: for family of those who had been donors, and then 287 00:16:04,120 --> 00:16:06,760 Speaker 5: she links to an article describing one of these ceremonies. 288 00:16:07,720 --> 00:16:10,920 Speaker 5: Body donation to science is so important, admirable. I can 289 00:16:10,960 --> 00:16:13,640 Speaker 5: only hope that u MMC or any other medical school 290 00:16:13,680 --> 00:16:17,200 Speaker 5: has done nothing like the atrocity at Harvard, and that 291 00:16:17,240 --> 00:16:22,520 Speaker 5: the indicated assholes get major prison time and humongous monetary 292 00:16:22,560 --> 00:16:26,400 Speaker 5: penalties hmmm, and maybe a mandate that they donate their 293 00:16:26,440 --> 00:16:29,440 Speaker 5: own bodies to the school. By the way, I don't 294 00:16:29,440 --> 00:16:32,440 Speaker 5: know what percentage of your audience demographic are elderly liberal 295 00:16:32,480 --> 00:16:35,600 Speaker 5: Democrats in the Deep South, but I, as a seventy 296 00:16:35,640 --> 00:16:39,240 Speaker 5: one year old one, enjoy your intelligent and thought provoking 297 00:16:39,280 --> 00:16:42,000 Speaker 5: podcasts immensely. I can't imagine you would need to use 298 00:16:42,040 --> 00:16:44,800 Speaker 5: any of this listener mail wrong, but just in case, 299 00:16:44,840 --> 00:16:47,040 Speaker 5: I yourmission to do so, which please don't use my name. 300 00:16:47,360 --> 00:16:49,520 Speaker 3: There you go. What a lovely email. 301 00:16:50,000 --> 00:16:52,880 Speaker 5: It just made me smile because obviously it's referring to 302 00:16:52,920 --> 00:16:56,800 Speaker 5: something very very bad, very nasty, you know, all the 303 00:16:56,840 --> 00:17:00,200 Speaker 5: business at Harvard and the absolute betrayal of trust, you know, 304 00:17:00,280 --> 00:17:03,440 Speaker 5: to an individual who has chosen, you know, to have 305 00:17:03,680 --> 00:17:06,199 Speaker 5: their remains donated for a certain use and then to 306 00:17:06,200 --> 00:17:10,120 Speaker 5: have that trust completely betrayed, and to imagine a loved 307 00:17:10,200 --> 00:17:13,159 Speaker 5: one of yours having a hand or a skull or 308 00:17:13,200 --> 00:17:15,920 Speaker 5: whatever it might be end up in somebody's display case. 309 00:17:16,400 --> 00:17:19,280 Speaker 5: You know, that's just awful. 310 00:17:19,320 --> 00:17:20,560 Speaker 3: But I had no idea. 311 00:17:20,560 --> 00:17:23,520 Speaker 5: I don't know about y'all, but any of the details 312 00:17:23,520 --> 00:17:25,679 Speaker 5: around this, like the idea that you know, once the 313 00:17:25,680 --> 00:17:29,520 Speaker 5: body has been used for its intended purpose, they cremate 314 00:17:29,560 --> 00:17:30,800 Speaker 5: it and they will send it to you. And this 315 00:17:30,920 --> 00:17:34,520 Speaker 5: idea of this annual celebration that they hold, I just 316 00:17:34,520 --> 00:17:38,600 Speaker 5: think it's it's called a Ceremony of Thanksgiving Role Call 317 00:17:38,640 --> 00:17:43,639 Speaker 5: of Heroes honors Body Donors at UMMC, and it's just 318 00:17:43,680 --> 00:17:46,600 Speaker 5: a really lovely little gathering of folks kind of in 319 00:17:46,600 --> 00:17:50,600 Speaker 5: a little wooded area of the campus and it's just 320 00:17:50,640 --> 00:17:53,680 Speaker 5: I don't know, this kind of gave me some feels. 321 00:17:53,840 --> 00:17:55,760 Speaker 3: Guys, I don't know, how did this hit you? 322 00:17:55,920 --> 00:17:58,560 Speaker 2: Well, it's great. I remember when we did our Bodybroker's episode, 323 00:17:58,600 --> 00:18:02,159 Speaker 2: we had a pretty bit outpouring of people who you know, 324 00:18:02,240 --> 00:18:04,640 Speaker 2: went to medical school who talked about this very thing 325 00:18:04,720 --> 00:18:08,680 Speaker 2: about really venerating those who have given their bodies and 326 00:18:08,720 --> 00:18:12,080 Speaker 2: that they you know themselves personally had gotten to learn 327 00:18:12,119 --> 00:18:14,800 Speaker 2: from and I know, I know there's other schools that 328 00:18:14,880 --> 00:18:17,280 Speaker 2: do things similar to this, this just feels like a 329 00:18:17,280 --> 00:18:22,120 Speaker 2: particularly nice one. It's really I don't know, it's really good, yeah, you. 330 00:18:22,080 --> 00:18:24,959 Speaker 5: Know, and it's it's neat too that it's secular, you know, 331 00:18:25,080 --> 00:18:27,960 Speaker 5: like I mean, not that I need it to be secular, 332 00:18:28,000 --> 00:18:30,240 Speaker 5: but I do think that there is a way of 333 00:18:30,280 --> 00:18:33,680 Speaker 5: honoring the dead that isn't necessarily connected with any kind 334 00:18:33,680 --> 00:18:34,439 Speaker 5: of religion, you know. 335 00:18:34,480 --> 00:18:36,040 Speaker 3: It's just more literally, like we're. 336 00:18:35,840 --> 00:18:38,800 Speaker 5: Honoring what you have provided, you know, to have your 337 00:18:38,840 --> 00:18:43,960 Speaker 5: body be of service, you know, to a field, you know, 338 00:18:44,000 --> 00:18:48,600 Speaker 5: to the medical profession, to potentially help with advances in medicine, 339 00:18:48,640 --> 00:18:51,640 Speaker 5: potentially help with training young doctors. I just think that's 340 00:18:51,640 --> 00:18:56,560 Speaker 5: a really cool way of, you know, honoring someone's life 341 00:18:56,600 --> 00:18:58,360 Speaker 5: and honoring their actual. 342 00:18:57,960 --> 00:18:59,199 Speaker 3: Body because it does have use. 343 00:18:59,320 --> 00:19:01,720 Speaker 5: I've always been a little I mean again, no shade 344 00:19:01,720 --> 00:19:04,480 Speaker 5: on anybody's choice on how they want to be treated 345 00:19:04,480 --> 00:19:06,920 Speaker 5: when when they pass or a family member, but I've 346 00:19:06,920 --> 00:19:11,679 Speaker 5: always personally struggled with the idea of embalming and you know, 347 00:19:11,840 --> 00:19:15,119 Speaker 5: having you know, this kind of facade of what a 348 00:19:15,160 --> 00:19:18,600 Speaker 5: person used to be sort of displayed like this raw 349 00:19:18,600 --> 00:19:22,159 Speaker 5: honestly has made me truly consider, not even consider, I 350 00:19:22,520 --> 00:19:24,520 Speaker 5: want to figure out how to do it, to do 351 00:19:24,600 --> 00:19:27,000 Speaker 5: this for myself, you know. I just think it's such 352 00:19:27,040 --> 00:19:29,320 Speaker 5: a such a cool thing to do, you know, And 353 00:19:29,840 --> 00:19:32,840 Speaker 5: why shouldn't we be useful after we pass? 354 00:19:33,160 --> 00:19:35,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, this seems like a really good way to be 355 00:19:35,920 --> 00:19:39,080 Speaker 2: to pass it down. There's something that stated in this 356 00:19:39,200 --> 00:19:41,800 Speaker 2: article that was shared by our anonymous person here and 357 00:19:41,840 --> 00:19:45,280 Speaker 2: sorry apparently Meadow my dog, just talking about it being 358 00:19:45,320 --> 00:19:49,119 Speaker 2: a family tradition to donate one's body. Something that's like 359 00:19:49,160 --> 00:19:51,199 Speaker 2: it gets started at some point and then down the 360 00:19:51,200 --> 00:19:56,040 Speaker 2: line as other family members age and maybe pass, they 361 00:19:56,640 --> 00:19:58,639 Speaker 2: really do choose like, this is what we're going to do. 362 00:19:58,720 --> 00:20:01,840 Speaker 2: We're going to honor this family tradition by donating our 363 00:20:01,920 --> 00:20:06,720 Speaker 2: bodies to a particular medical school because this school helped 364 00:20:06,760 --> 00:20:09,800 Speaker 2: out either someone in our family who was diagnosed with 365 00:20:09,920 --> 00:20:13,000 Speaker 2: an illness and this medical school helped them out. So 366 00:20:13,040 --> 00:20:16,080 Speaker 2: now this is our way of giving back. I love that. 367 00:20:16,200 --> 00:20:19,159 Speaker 2: I think that's a very I don't know. We're just 368 00:20:19,200 --> 00:20:22,919 Speaker 2: talking with Poco about collective action. This feels like a 369 00:20:23,240 --> 00:20:25,960 Speaker 2: I don't know, a traditional action. I don't know what 370 00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:27,760 Speaker 2: you'd call it, but it's just a really good way 371 00:20:27,800 --> 00:20:30,360 Speaker 2: to help support continued education. 372 00:20:30,720 --> 00:20:33,280 Speaker 5: Yeah, Ben, you know, it reminds me too of like 373 00:20:33,480 --> 00:20:36,239 Speaker 5: we talked so much about resurrection men and some of 374 00:20:36,280 --> 00:20:41,159 Speaker 5: the real shady ways that bodies were acquired, you know, 375 00:20:41,280 --> 00:20:43,560 Speaker 5: for medical science and this. 376 00:20:43,640 --> 00:20:45,960 Speaker 3: I don't know what you think, but to me, this feels. 377 00:20:45,680 --> 00:20:50,960 Speaker 5: Like just kind of the most open, positive version of that, 378 00:20:51,200 --> 00:20:54,479 Speaker 5: you know, that had been so shadowy and kind of 379 00:20:54,680 --> 00:20:56,520 Speaker 5: gross in history. 380 00:20:56,800 --> 00:20:57,000 Speaker 3: Yeah. 381 00:20:57,040 --> 00:21:01,119 Speaker 4: I want to thank you Anonymous for for sharing your 382 00:21:01,160 --> 00:21:03,960 Speaker 4: story with our fellow conspiracy realist, and thank you to 383 00:21:04,200 --> 00:21:09,200 Speaker 4: Matt also for pointing out our Body Broker's episode, which 384 00:21:09,400 --> 00:21:14,440 Speaker 4: is an in depth look at many of the many 385 00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:20,720 Speaker 4: of the problems described. One thing that is tremendously inspiring 386 00:21:20,760 --> 00:21:25,679 Speaker 4: and beautiful about about your experience, Anonymous, is that people 387 00:21:25,840 --> 00:21:29,960 Speaker 4: need that sort of community that sort of When I 388 00:21:29,960 --> 00:21:32,800 Speaker 4: say community, I don't just mean like a labon group 389 00:21:32,920 --> 00:21:39,920 Speaker 4: of people. I mean the concept of an intergenerational community, 390 00:21:40,080 --> 00:21:43,840 Speaker 4: something that came before you and continues when you yourself 391 00:21:44,440 --> 00:21:48,639 Speaker 4: are gone. Because we have to remember the most stunning 392 00:21:48,840 --> 00:21:53,040 Speaker 4: and heartbreaking part of the Body Broker's conspiracies is that 393 00:21:53,080 --> 00:21:56,399 Speaker 4: they are preying on people in the most vulnerable moment 394 00:21:56,640 --> 00:22:00,320 Speaker 4: of their lives. So thank you again, A non Is 395 00:22:00,359 --> 00:22:04,000 Speaker 4: for sharing your story. And here's hoping to Matt's point 396 00:22:04,040 --> 00:22:05,440 Speaker 4: that more people follow suit. 397 00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:10,400 Speaker 5: Also, just as you know, having lost a loved one 398 00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:15,320 Speaker 5: in recent years, being an only child, the business of 399 00:22:15,520 --> 00:22:20,040 Speaker 5: death can be very challenging and you're in this really 400 00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:23,800 Speaker 5: vulnerable moment and you have to figure things out. You 401 00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:26,199 Speaker 5: either have to have to decide, you know, okay, am 402 00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:27,320 Speaker 5: I going to cremate? 403 00:22:27,359 --> 00:22:29,600 Speaker 3: Am I going to embalm? What do I want to do? 404 00:22:29,880 --> 00:22:34,840 Speaker 5: And to me, even cremating costs like two thousand dollars or. 405 00:22:34,840 --> 00:22:35,399 Speaker 3: Something like that. 406 00:22:35,440 --> 00:22:37,680 Speaker 5: You know, like you'd have to pay for the service 407 00:22:37,760 --> 00:22:40,439 Speaker 5: and you know, pay for a vessel and all of 408 00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:45,240 Speaker 5: that stuff. And I have to imagine that this is 409 00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:48,359 Speaker 5: kind of like donating your car to NPR. I know 410 00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:51,320 Speaker 5: that sounds messed up, but it's like it would takes 411 00:22:51,320 --> 00:22:53,679 Speaker 5: some of the burden off in addition to being an 412 00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:57,040 Speaker 5: amazing service. It's probably a way where you are providing 413 00:22:57,080 --> 00:23:00,399 Speaker 5: this service and they're coming and picking up they and 414 00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:04,800 Speaker 5: then they're providing the cremation a little bit delayed, but 415 00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:09,159 Speaker 5: they're doing it. So if anyone also was worried or struggling, 416 00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:11,240 Speaker 5: or maybe it was a monetary thing. 417 00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:12,480 Speaker 3: This would be not only a. 418 00:23:12,359 --> 00:23:15,720 Speaker 5: Positive way to do some good, but also I hate 419 00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:17,400 Speaker 5: to put it in terms of like saving a buck, 420 00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:20,160 Speaker 5: but like it is, I think it's really interesting that 421 00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:23,479 Speaker 5: this is a big relief, could be a big relief 422 00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:26,119 Speaker 5: to folks, you know, to have that assistance in a 423 00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:30,960 Speaker 5: time where you know there's a lot going on emotionally. Sure, 424 00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:33,360 Speaker 5: but I know some religions would would be opposed to this, 425 00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:36,880 Speaker 5: would be opposed to remains being used in this way. 426 00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:39,159 Speaker 5: So I know that's complicated too, and it's obviously up 427 00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:42,360 Speaker 5: to every individual and their and their personal beliefs. 428 00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:46,560 Speaker 3: But you know, from where I stand, this seems great. 429 00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:47,360 Speaker 2: Agreed. 430 00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:51,440 Speaker 3: Well, thanks again, Anonymous, and thanks for the kind words 431 00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:53,480 Speaker 3: about the show too. We really appreciate it. 432 00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:55,560 Speaker 5: We're gonna take quick break and then we'll be back 433 00:23:55,560 --> 00:23:57,040 Speaker 5: with one more piece of listener mail. 434 00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:07,119 Speaker 4: Psych We're back. We psyched you out. It's not just 435 00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:10,800 Speaker 4: one more piece of listener mail. We enjoy the listener 436 00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:14,160 Speaker 4: mail segment we do every week so much that we 437 00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:18,720 Speaker 4: wanted to spend some time just with some think of 438 00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:23,760 Speaker 4: it like letters from home, you know, letters from the dark. 439 00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:25,520 Speaker 1: Letters from the void. 440 00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:32,040 Speaker 4: Just so many nice messages, so many insightful words from experts, 441 00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:37,000 Speaker 4: so many people on air or off sharing their experiences. 442 00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:40,200 Speaker 4: So fellas, I was thinking we could just go through 443 00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:44,480 Speaker 4: a couple of those really quickly, like the ones that 444 00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:48,800 Speaker 4: the ones that might not necessarily ask us to create 445 00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:51,320 Speaker 4: an episode, but the ones that just sort of want 446 00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:52,280 Speaker 4: to share their stories. 447 00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:53,080 Speaker 1: How does that sound? 448 00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:56,960 Speaker 3: Lovely? I think it's perfectly in keeping with the vibe 449 00:24:57,000 --> 00:24:57,760 Speaker 3: of the show today. 450 00:24:58,080 --> 00:25:02,560 Speaker 4: Great idea, So our first one, I tease this at 451 00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:05,399 Speaker 4: the top. You know, we kind of started this beef 452 00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:13,919 Speaker 4: in the continent of Australia. We accidentally or purposely promoted 453 00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:18,480 Speaker 4: some stereotypes, all in good fun. We received a letter 454 00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:23,240 Speaker 4: recently from Savory and Savory says, afternoon, gents, just finished 455 00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:26,240 Speaker 4: listening to your most recent podcast and driving in the 456 00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:29,680 Speaker 4: southern state of New South Wales and Australia. You asked 457 00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:33,560 Speaker 4: us what we call the supposedly rich people of Perth. 458 00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:39,199 Speaker 4: They are called cubs and cups is an acronym. It 459 00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:44,240 Speaker 4: stands for cashed up bogans. Oh boy, yeah, we're getting 460 00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:47,119 Speaker 4: deep into the lingo here. The majority of money is 461 00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:50,400 Speaker 4: made from dragging stuff from the ground, but I'm sure 462 00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:53,240 Speaker 4: a lot of their intelligence is left down in there 463 00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:56,000 Speaker 4: with it. Hey, oh, if you come and do a 464 00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:59,280 Speaker 4: tour of Australia, make sure you hit up Milton Theater 465 00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:04,720 Speaker 4: down forgive me Aussie's ulla dolla in New South Wales. 466 00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:08,639 Speaker 4: U l l A d u l l A. We 467 00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:10,000 Speaker 4: love to have you. 468 00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:12,160 Speaker 1: I'll take you out for a coffee. 469 00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:17,880 Speaker 4: And then Savory also sends a fascinating video clip that 470 00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:22,880 Speaker 4: I kind of want us to save for another evening. 471 00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:27,439 Speaker 4: I mainly mainly I'm sharing this because I can't believe 472 00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:29,560 Speaker 4: we're learning so much about Australia. 473 00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:31,919 Speaker 1: You guys, remember what bogans are. 474 00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:35,560 Speaker 3: Right, it's vaguely ringing a bell. But I think I 475 00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:36,679 Speaker 3: need a crash. 476 00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:40,920 Speaker 2: Course type of Pokemon, some sort of spooky ghost control 477 00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:42,920 Speaker 2: of some sort a bogan is. 478 00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:47,880 Speaker 4: Similar to the UK version of a chov or. Here 479 00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:51,920 Speaker 4: in the US it's somewhat analogous to a redneck. 480 00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:54,840 Speaker 1: I'm not sure entirely. 481 00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:57,600 Speaker 4: So I do think we need to get with accounting 482 00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:01,040 Speaker 4: and make sure there's an Australia trip the budget. That'll 483 00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:04,119 Speaker 4: be easy, right, It's just like an email, we said, yep, Oh. 484 00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:05,480 Speaker 3: For sure, there's got to be there's got to be 485 00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:06,240 Speaker 3: a impression for that. 486 00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:09,119 Speaker 1: So thank you, Savery. 487 00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:13,960 Speaker 4: Moving to Twitter, we had some We have a lot 488 00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:20,240 Speaker 4: of people holding great conversations on Twitter, and sometimes these 489 00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:27,440 Speaker 4: conversations get really powerful, and in one instance, we had 490 00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:31,520 Speaker 4: our pal Becca over on Twitter saying, I'm just catching 491 00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:34,639 Speaker 4: up on last week's listener mail segment of stuff they 492 00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:38,879 Speaker 4: don't want you to know. Regarding addiction and mental health, 493 00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:42,960 Speaker 4: it often comes down to trauma. Trauma, especially in childhood, 494 00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:46,080 Speaker 4: rewires the brain in such a way that connection with 495 00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:49,840 Speaker 4: people can be very difficult. This was fascinating to me. 496 00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:53,840 Speaker 4: I hadn't thought about this. Addiction replaces this connection. It's 497 00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:58,119 Speaker 4: the total opposite of being connected in secure relationships. The 498 00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:02,440 Speaker 4: substance can be trusted, that comforting, all the things a 499 00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:06,960 Speaker 4: healthy brain gets from relationships. Our prisons are full of 500 00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:10,280 Speaker 4: traumatized people. I work with children and think about the 501 00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:13,879 Speaker 4: stuff every day. Just imagine how the world could be 502 00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:20,320 Speaker 4: if we treated traumatized people completely differently. What do you 503 00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:25,320 Speaker 4: guys think about that idea, the idea of trauma and addiction. 504 00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:26,640 Speaker 3: That's interesting. 505 00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:28,439 Speaker 5: I mean it's like, you know, you always hear people 506 00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:33,080 Speaker 5: that have been through difficult situations, or maybe people that 507 00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:36,240 Speaker 5: have been through traumatic experiences, perhaps they've you know, lost 508 00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:38,360 Speaker 5: a loved one or a child or something like that. 509 00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:40,920 Speaker 5: And I think there's there's a sense that they don't 510 00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:43,960 Speaker 5: want to be treated different, you know, like they find 511 00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:46,920 Speaker 5: that they resent that in some way, the idea that 512 00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:50,160 Speaker 5: someone is constantly tiptoeing around them, or like, you know, 513 00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:52,479 Speaker 5: worrying they're going to say the wrong thing. And I 514 00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:56,560 Speaker 5: think that can be sensed, you know. But I think 515 00:28:56,600 --> 00:29:00,000 Speaker 5: there are kind ways and empathetic ways that you can 516 00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:03,120 Speaker 5: treat people that don't highlight their trauma. 517 00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:03,960 Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't know. 518 00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:07,040 Speaker 5: I guess we should just treat everybody, respect them kindness. 519 00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:08,880 Speaker 3: I don't really know. I don't really have an answer. 520 00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:10,600 Speaker 3: I'm sorry. I'm just kind of talking through this out loud. 521 00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:13,120 Speaker 2: No, you'll get no answers from me. I don't know. 522 00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:19,720 Speaker 4: I can't believe we're not immediately solving the problems of trauma, addiction, 523 00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:26,760 Speaker 4: and humanities inherent inhumanity towards itself. God lebon is stuck 524 00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:29,880 Speaker 4: in my head now, man, that so well. 525 00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:33,120 Speaker 2: I mean, I would consider myself addicted to video games 526 00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:35,640 Speaker 2: and why I think one of the main reasons that 527 00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:37,800 Speaker 2: I feel addicted to those and why I use it 528 00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:40,720 Speaker 2: as an addiction is because it puts me in a 529 00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:42,640 Speaker 2: mind space where I don't have to think about some 530 00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:46,200 Speaker 2: of the things that maybe I would call correctly or 531 00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:51,880 Speaker 2: incorrectly trauma, you know. Yeah, yeah, so I don't. 532 00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:52,320 Speaker 3: I don't. 533 00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:54,600 Speaker 2: I don't know if I have anything helpful to say there. 534 00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:58,120 Speaker 5: And Ben, I mean, trauma is a pretty broad term, right, 535 00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:00,760 Speaker 5: Like you don't have to have, you know, had your 536 00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:03,640 Speaker 5: entire family burn up in a fire to be considered 537 00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:04,600 Speaker 5: a trauma victim. 538 00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:08,120 Speaker 3: It can be something much more subtle than that, you know. 539 00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:11,760 Speaker 5: I mean, trauma is an individualistic experience. I don't know 540 00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:13,800 Speaker 5: that there's like a scale for it, right. 541 00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:17,000 Speaker 1: I believe there's a very valid case to be made 542 00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:21,040 Speaker 1: that existence is inherently traumatic, sure, you know what I mean, 543 00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:25,880 Speaker 1: no joke. It's a lot of people's first time So this, uh, 544 00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:29,280 Speaker 1: this leads us unexpectedly into some deep water. 545 00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:33,719 Speaker 5: Not to mention things like collective trauma COVID, you know, 546 00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:38,840 Speaker 5: I mean, the entire world experienced a shared trauma, you know, 547 00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:43,480 Speaker 5: and it's going to affect people differently. I think, you know, 548 00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:48,720 Speaker 5: we talked about all the addiction issues that formed around COVID, 549 00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:51,440 Speaker 5: you know, and and all of the upticks and overdoses 550 00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:54,720 Speaker 5: and uptics and people forming new addictions and things like that, 551 00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:59,239 Speaker 5: because again, addiction, to your point, Matt, is often a 552 00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:03,280 Speaker 5: way of dealing with trauma to blot out those things, 553 00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:07,520 Speaker 5: those bad thoughts and those ruminations, the cyclical ways of thinking. 554 00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:12,120 Speaker 5: So technically, I mean, yeah, we're all sharing in a 555 00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:15,720 Speaker 5: collective trauma around things like nine to eleven, you know, 556 00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:20,520 Speaker 5: I mean, just like national traumatic events, and they leave scars, 557 00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:21,760 Speaker 5: no question about it. 558 00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:26,520 Speaker 4: Would love to hear from you folks, especially, got a 559 00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:31,320 Speaker 4: lot of people tuning in tonight who are experts in 560 00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:35,240 Speaker 4: the fields of medicine and in the fields of psychology 561 00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:41,720 Speaker 4: and related disciplines. Would love to hear your thoughts on 562 00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:48,920 Speaker 4: group think and intergenerational trauma because the effects of events 563 00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:53,080 Speaker 4: do continue long after we're gone, Which is another great 564 00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:56,280 Speaker 4: part of the conversation we had with Paco de lay 565 00:31:56,400 --> 00:32:01,240 Speaker 4: and check out the show Weird Finance wanted to pivot, 566 00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:06,320 Speaker 4: as they say in Corporate America, to something we mentioned 567 00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:10,560 Speaker 4: briefly in I can't remember if it was an episode 568 00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:14,680 Speaker 4: or if it was a strange news segment or listener 569 00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:18,520 Speaker 4: mail segment. But we talked about big data, and we 570 00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:21,080 Speaker 4: talked about cars very briefly. 571 00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:22,520 Speaker 1: I can't remember how we got there. 572 00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:29,080 Speaker 4: But there's this fantastic letter we received from Kurt who says, yes, 573 00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:31,560 Speaker 4: you can always use anything I say on the podcast. 574 00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:35,640 Speaker 4: You've opened a dangerous door. My friend, Kurt says, hey, guys, 575 00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:38,200 Speaker 4: it's me again. Thought this story was in line with 576 00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:42,400 Speaker 4: previous discussions regarding digital and physical privacy. It seems our cars, 577 00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:47,520 Speaker 4: like our other electronics, are leaking our information. Surely law 578 00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:51,080 Speaker 4: enforcement can get access to these records, and it's just 579 00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:56,960 Speaker 4: yet another way of tracking people. And here Kurt hips 580 00:32:57,040 --> 00:33:00,320 Speaker 4: us to a wonderful article by Matt Burgess over it 581 00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:07,080 Speaker 4: Wired title how your new Car Tracks You. Vehicles from Toyota, Honda, 582 00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:11,800 Speaker 4: Ford and more can collect huge volumes of data. Here's 583 00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:17,680 Speaker 4: what these companies can access. And reading this and digging 584 00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:21,320 Speaker 4: into it, even if you're not a car person, it 585 00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:25,000 Speaker 4: is it is stunning. We've come a long long way 586 00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:29,000 Speaker 4: from the old days of oh, how do they depict 587 00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:31,320 Speaker 4: it in fiction? You know, like someone stinks over and 588 00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:34,640 Speaker 4: attaches a black box to the wheel well of a 589 00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:39,160 Speaker 4: car or whatever, and they're they're tracking them. We have 590 00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:44,680 Speaker 4: gone much much further than that as a society. Right now, 591 00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:48,480 Speaker 4: cars can track, of course, where you're traveling to and 592 00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:52,320 Speaker 4: from because you have a cell phone. They can also 593 00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:58,640 Speaker 4: record every press on an accelerator or break as well 594 00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:03,240 Speaker 4: as your seat belts settings. They can get biometric information 595 00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:04,440 Speaker 4: about you. 596 00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:06,920 Speaker 3: I don't know. 597 00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:11,040 Speaker 4: For a lot of people, commuters especially, they've seen their 598 00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:16,319 Speaker 4: time in transit as private personal time. Right For a 599 00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:20,279 Speaker 4: lot of people with families who commute to work, that 600 00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:23,279 Speaker 4: thirty minutes to an hour and a half in the 601 00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:27,319 Speaker 4: car every day is the only time alone they have. 602 00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:29,759 Speaker 3: Isn't that kind of an illusion though? 603 00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:32,880 Speaker 5: I mean, you're in public you're on public roads, publicly 604 00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:37,680 Speaker 5: maintained infrastructure. There are you know, cameras that can capture 605 00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:40,879 Speaker 5: your license plate. You know, at any time I thought 606 00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:43,080 Speaker 5: it was super weird. I went to Florida recently, and 607 00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:45,520 Speaker 5: you know, all these tolls you don't have to stop 608 00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:48,000 Speaker 5: because they just snap your license plate and then you 609 00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:49,640 Speaker 5: get a bill in the mail, like, you know, a 610 00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:52,440 Speaker 5: couple of months later, I thought that was really weird 611 00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:55,520 Speaker 5: and invasive feeling, you know, But that's just kind of 612 00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:56,360 Speaker 5: how the world works. 613 00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:58,240 Speaker 3: But I guess my question. 614 00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:02,560 Speaker 5: My point is, like, is that illusion of anonymity and 615 00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:06,080 Speaker 5: privacy kind of hasn't always been People can always look 616 00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:07,920 Speaker 5: through your window unless you have ten of windows, or 617 00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:09,200 Speaker 5: you know, you're. 618 00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:11,320 Speaker 3: Always subject to being pulled over by the police. 619 00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:13,960 Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know, you know, I keep saying it. Guys, 620 00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:18,080 Speaker 2: we don't have enough forward facing cameras in our lives. 621 00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:21,880 Speaker 2: We need more things that just have a forward facing 622 00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:24,279 Speaker 2: camera that looks at you at all times when you're 623 00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:26,920 Speaker 2: doing stuff like right now, when we're recording this podcast, 624 00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:29,520 Speaker 2: or when you're looking at your phone, or when I 625 00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:32,880 Speaker 2: open my refrigerator or Okay, I'm just joking. 626 00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:37,680 Speaker 4: Let's make every Let's make everything smart and camera enabled. 627 00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:41,080 Speaker 4: We need your shoes to have cameras in them so 628 00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:43,280 Speaker 4: they can see the bottom of your socks. 629 00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:46,120 Speaker 2: Oh okay, I was thinking just upwards, so you get 630 00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:50,480 Speaker 2: like this real interesting almost three sixty dual three sixty 631 00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:51,960 Speaker 2: degree camera action. 632 00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:56,839 Speaker 4: Everybody looks like a kaiju now from that angle. So 633 00:35:57,320 --> 00:36:00,680 Speaker 4: this is this leads us to something we need to 634 00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:06,320 Speaker 4: shout out. There is a automotive firm called Privacy four. 635 00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:12,279 Speaker 4: Number four cars like cars for kids, but not with 636 00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:17,000 Speaker 4: an evil jingle. Privacy four Cars released this thing in 637 00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:21,239 Speaker 4: May called the Vehicle Privacy Report. If you live in 638 00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:26,920 Speaker 4: the United States and you know someone who uses a car, 639 00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:30,880 Speaker 4: you need to know about this and thank you again, Kurt. 640 00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:33,600 Speaker 1: This is is a very important thing to. 641 00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:34,000 Speaker 3: Hit us to. 642 00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:38,920 Speaker 4: The Vehicle Privacy Report will reveal how much information on 643 00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:44,720 Speaker 4: your car can be hoovered up by someone and distributed 644 00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:49,759 Speaker 4: to someone else, usually for financial gain. It shows It's 645 00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:54,560 Speaker 4: kind of like how online services like Google will show 646 00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:58,880 Speaker 4: you how Facebook might use your camera to your point Matt, 647 00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:04,080 Speaker 4: or how how Uber will leverage your location data, or 648 00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:07,359 Speaker 4: how those delivery things like Uber Eats and door dash 649 00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:14,200 Speaker 4: will start predicting your likelihood of ordering based on time 650 00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:14,560 Speaker 4: of day. 651 00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:20,000 Speaker 1: So our pals over wired they ran ten. 652 00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:24,080 Speaker 4: Of the most popular car models in the United States 653 00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:29,760 Speaker 4: through this Privacy for Cars tool, and what they found 654 00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:36,799 Speaker 4: was stunning. Cars apparently today produce twenty five gigabytes. 655 00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:42,879 Speaker 1: Of data per hour. It's all about you, and it's 656 00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:45,680 Speaker 1: got a wild West. Wait, there were really no rules. 657 00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:50,080 Speaker 2: Twenty five gigabytes of data per per hour. Yeah, that's 658 00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:52,600 Speaker 2: so and that's I'm so sorry, Ben, I didn't all 659 00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:54,200 Speaker 2: in the spacing. I was listening it just it got 660 00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:56,880 Speaker 2: muddled in my head. How many cars is that? 661 00:37:56,880 --> 00:38:01,040 Speaker 1: That is a single car? God? 662 00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:06,040 Speaker 4: Yeah, and that's referencing a Washington Post article by Jeffrey A. Fowler. 663 00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:08,920 Speaker 4: What does your car know about you? We hacked a 664 00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:10,080 Speaker 4: Chevy to find out? 665 00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:10,759 Speaker 3: Guess what? 666 00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:12,640 Speaker 1: That was written in twenty nineteen. 667 00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:16,360 Speaker 5: No, No, so that would include like data of like 668 00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:20,400 Speaker 5: streaming music for example. Rights that would make me contribute 669 00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:21,480 Speaker 5: to that number. 670 00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:25,520 Speaker 4: Yeah, of course, very easily, because again in a smart 671 00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:31,239 Speaker 4: in a smart car, everything is interconnected. This Vehicle Privacy 672 00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:33,560 Speaker 4: report reposts the link. We should put the link on 673 00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:34,400 Speaker 4: Twitter as well. 674 00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:40,440 Speaker 1: It uses your car's VIN vehicle identification. 675 00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:45,879 Speaker 4: Number, and then it looks at the manufacturer's policy documents 676 00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:50,279 Speaker 4: surrounding things like privacy. Because there's a lot you can get. 677 00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:53,400 Speaker 4: It's just boring and it's kind of difficult to find it. 678 00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:57,640 Speaker 4: The results only apply in the United States, but they 679 00:38:57,760 --> 00:39:03,080 Speaker 4: are absolutely broadly speaking. Here's the big takeaway before we 680 00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:08,560 Speaker 4: wrap up. All the automotive manufacturers are going to desire 681 00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:14,040 Speaker 4: personal information that could be classified as an identifier. They 682 00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:17,640 Speaker 4: have a great appetite for your name, your address, driver's 683 00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:23,080 Speaker 4: license number, those sound normal phone number, email, other information. 684 00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:29,040 Speaker 4: Like how often you speed, what directions do you travel in? 685 00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:29,960 Speaker 1: You know what I mean? 686 00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:33,200 Speaker 4: When are you most likely to be at home? When 687 00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:36,680 Speaker 4: are you most likely to be at work? These kind 688 00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:40,120 Speaker 4: of things, there was a precedent set already. You know, 689 00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:44,600 Speaker 4: a lot of private insurance companies would offer people a 690 00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:49,320 Speaker 4: discount on their monthly premiums if they agreed to be tracked, 691 00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:52,080 Speaker 4: because that creates another revenue stream. 692 00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:55,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, I just I just got to asked that pretty recently. 693 00:39:55,560 --> 00:39:58,680 Speaker 2: If i'd like to just, you know, join in and 694 00:39:59,040 --> 00:39:59,959 Speaker 2: get some money back. 695 00:40:00,680 --> 00:40:03,600 Speaker 3: No, no, no, no, no, no, no, I have that part from my 696 00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:05,360 Speaker 3: homeowner's insurance. 697 00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:08,759 Speaker 5: They offer a kit that they like, it's not a 698 00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:13,560 Speaker 5: security system exactly, It's just a kit with sensors quote unquote. 699 00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:17,279 Speaker 5: So I guess it allows them to like monitor their investments, 700 00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:19,480 Speaker 5: you know what I mean. But to your point, it 701 00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:21,800 Speaker 5: seems innocuous when they offer and you're like, ooh, I 702 00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:24,880 Speaker 5: could save a little money on I am my homeowner's insurance. 703 00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:29,200 Speaker 3: But it really is kind of it's it's surveillance, isn't it. 704 00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:30,000 Speaker 3: That's what it is. 705 00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:33,720 Speaker 5: It's not mince words. Maybe I'll I haven't actually gotten 706 00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:35,799 Speaker 5: the thing yet. Maybe I'll cancel that part, just pay 707 00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:38,399 Speaker 5: a little more. 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