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Speaker 1: This is Draft Season. Welcome to the show, everybody. My

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Speaker 1: name is John Schmell, joined as always by Tony Pauline

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Speaker 1: and Eric Crocker. And don't forget that Draft Season is

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Speaker 1: find Draft Season on all your favorite podcast platforms, or

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Speaker 1: mobile app or Giants dot com slash podcast. Of course,

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Speaker 1: Tony is from Pro Football Eric Network, Eric Crocker coast

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Speaker 1: of the Lockdown NFL Draft podcast, among other things. Make

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Speaker 1: sure you go check those things out. Tony and I

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Speaker 1: are fresh off the NFL Combine. Tony was there a

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Speaker 1: couple of days longer than I was. He was gone

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Speaker 1: on you said Saturday night. Tony left her Sunday, so

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Speaker 1: he was there a day longer than I was. Eric

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Speaker 1: was watching everything from afar. We're gonna recap the combine

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Speaker 1: today if you want to go back, folks, we have

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Speaker 1: our top fives on Offensive Deep into a couple episodes ago.

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Speaker 1: Go check that out. All right, gentlemen, I guess we'll

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Speaker 1: start top stories first, kind of when everybody's talking about Tony.

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Speaker 1: You follow the stuff closer than anybody else. What was

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Speaker 1: your biggest takeaway? You can take this from the workout perspective,

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Speaker 1: interview perspective, health perspective, you name it. Walking out of

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Speaker 1: spending six days in Indianapolis. I think Kyle Hamilton's gonna

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Speaker 1: be an outside linebacker at the next level. I mean,

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Speaker 1: he did not work out well. It's not just the

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Speaker 1: forty The three con time was okay, there was other

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Speaker 1: there was good. The three cone was good, especially for

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Speaker 1: how long of an athlete he is. But I I

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Speaker 1: did see the other concerns Tony had. He's been talking

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Speaker 1: going with the change of direction is not great. You know,

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Speaker 1: six nine is good, but this is a guy that

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Speaker 1: some people are projecting as the best player in the draft. Okay,

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Speaker 1: so six nine is good for you know, an ordinary

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Speaker 1: I mean I think that guy is just gonna get

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Speaker 1: him to keep weight off than it's than it is

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Speaker 1: for him to put weight on. Which is why again

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Speaker 1: I say, you look at the length, you look at

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Speaker 1: the loping stride. The lack of pure quickness. My biggest takeaway,

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Speaker 1: and there were a couple of them, which will go through,

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Speaker 1: firmly believe that in the end, Kyle Hamilton projects the

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Speaker 1: outside linebacker in the NFL. Now his his one see Okay,

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Speaker 1: his explosive numbers on the vert and the broad we're

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Speaker 1: both very good. They were both very good. They were good.

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Speaker 1: But again I mean compare his numbers to say Nick Cross,

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Speaker 1: Cross was much quicker. I think he covers ground much faster.

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Speaker 1: and I was gonna say, you know, you you talked

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Speaker 1: Tony is going. People are saying he's a potential top

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Speaker 1: And by the way, what was up with his forty

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Speaker 1: I think last year, the second or third overall pick,

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Speaker 1: what kind of what he's put out there, I'm not

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Speaker 1: sure He's had plenty of topics to prepare for this.

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Speaker 1: think boy, I forget. I told there so many draft

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Speaker 1: guys out there. Basically, some team just don't pike centers

428
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Speaker 1: in the first round. That takes out teams. If you

429
00:20:43,520 --> 00:20:45,800
Speaker 1: don't draft offensive one more than three in japounds, that

430
00:20:45,800 --> 00:20:48,040
Speaker 1: takes out a bunch of teams. If you don't if

431
00:20:48,040 --> 00:20:49,639
Speaker 1: you don't run his own scheme that takes out a

432
00:20:49,640 --> 00:20:51,240
Speaker 1: bunch of teams, You're not like a half a dozen

433
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Speaker 1: teams that even would consider picking him in the first

434
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Speaker 1: round just because of all those kind of thresholds that

435
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Speaker 1: those teams can have depending on who the general manager is. Right.

436
00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:06,000
Speaker 1: It never long. Yeah, listen, I'll cover the Subranisco for

437
00:21:06,240 --> 00:21:08,920
Speaker 1: niners and he fit good with yole standing and the

438
00:21:08,960 --> 00:21:11,119
Speaker 1: guy who likes his guys a little bit lighter and

439
00:21:11,200 --> 00:21:13,080
Speaker 1: able to move, and they run ha his zone blocking skin.

440
00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:15,920
Speaker 1: But you know that would be unfortunate for him because

441
00:21:16,320 --> 00:21:19,080
Speaker 1: don't pick until pick sixty one. So is he gonna

442
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Speaker 1: fall into the tail in for it? That is, if

443
00:21:21,200 --> 00:21:23,320
Speaker 1: you happy about that, they'll be able to or have

444
00:21:23,359 --> 00:21:26,680
Speaker 1: the replacement for Alex Matt. I'm not sure Lindemum would

445
00:21:26,680 --> 00:21:29,400
Speaker 1: be too excited about falling that far after previously being

446
00:21:29,400 --> 00:21:31,720
Speaker 1: projected the first round pick. Let me say one other

447
00:21:31,760 --> 00:21:33,679
Speaker 1: thing that I noticed that in indeed that that's just

448
00:21:33,680 --> 00:21:35,000
Speaker 1: just impressed the hell out of me. And we're not

449
00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:36,560
Speaker 1: going to talk about in the next second because he

450
00:21:36,560 --> 00:21:39,720
Speaker 1: didn't he didn't work out. I have never seen a

451
00:21:39,840 --> 00:21:43,679
Speaker 1: human being carry three hundred and thirty six pounds the

452
00:21:43,680 --> 00:21:48,040
Speaker 1: way Evan Neil does. The dude's skinny, how are you

453
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Speaker 1: three thirty six? And like, look lean that is I

454
00:21:52,920 --> 00:21:55,159
Speaker 1: just I walked up to him at the podium, like,

455
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Speaker 1: how is this dude three thirty six? I remember when

456
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Speaker 1: Dexter Lawrence got here and he I think you three

457
00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:03,760
Speaker 1: five tony three fifty something like that when he got drafted,

458
00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:06,040
Speaker 1: big dude, And I was impressed when you showed up

459
00:22:06,040 --> 00:22:08,600
Speaker 1: to the Giants. Boy, he's pretty like solid and well

460
00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:10,800
Speaker 1: built with three fifties, not a sloppy three fifty. I

461
00:22:10,800 --> 00:22:13,280
Speaker 1: was pretty impressed by him. He looks like the state

462
00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:16,280
Speaker 1: puff marshmallow man next to Evan Neil. Evan Neil is

463
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Speaker 1: solid as a rock. I wish I would have saw

464
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Speaker 1: him work out there because he was fantastic. He just

465
00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:24,960
Speaker 1: did a great job. You look, when when you're three

466
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Speaker 1: thirty five and you're when you're six seven and a half,

467
00:22:27,119 --> 00:22:28,520
Speaker 1: you're gonna have to put a lot, a lot of

468
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Speaker 1: weight for for you for yourself to look really big.

469
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Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean, uh, we'll see what happens. I mean,

470
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Speaker 1: Alabama has two pro days. Why didn't he work out again?

471
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Speaker 1: You don't know that he may have been dinged up

472
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Speaker 1: in that National title throughout the national type of process,

473
00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:46,800
Speaker 1: I should say the semifinal game. Alabama usually their season

474
00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:49,520
Speaker 1: ends late because they're in the National title game, playing

475
00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:52,360
Speaker 1: for winning it, whatever the case may be. Uh So,

476
00:22:52,560 --> 00:22:54,160
Speaker 1: you know, I think a lot of people were upset.

477
00:22:54,119 --> 00:22:55,640
Speaker 1: It would have been nice to see him work out.

478
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Speaker 1: But a guy, any Alabama guy, I'm gonna give a

479
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Speaker 1: pass because she just don't know what the you know,

480
00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:02,400
Speaker 1: what their physical state is at this point in time.

481
00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:04,480
Speaker 1: And I think a lot of those guys and in

482
00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:06,640
Speaker 1: the season kind of banged up. You know. I remember

483
00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:08,600
Speaker 1: when I was with the New York Jets and they

484
00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:12,000
Speaker 1: drafted D Millionaire at pick nine, and D Millionaire came in.

485
00:23:12,119 --> 00:23:14,399
Speaker 1: He didn't participate in any o t A s, He

486
00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:17,879
Speaker 1: didn't participate in any mini camps. He danged didn't participate

487
00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:20,520
Speaker 1: most of the training camp. So you know, that was

488
00:23:20,520 --> 00:23:22,639
Speaker 1: the guy that was recovering from a shoulder injury. He

489
00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:25,320
Speaker 1: had to get some show surgery on his labor. After

490
00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:28,040
Speaker 1: the combine, those guys just kind of about Alabama the

491
00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:31,320
Speaker 1: way they practice, the way they play, which obviously it

492
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Speaker 1: translates to championships. I think some of those guys are

493
00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:36,840
Speaker 1: a little beat up getting to the NFL. Are you

494
00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:38,399
Speaker 1: guys ready to go position body position? He or you

495
00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:40,680
Speaker 1: guys wanna hit something else before we start rocking and rolling.

496
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Speaker 1: I think we want to just talk about Jordan Davis.

497
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Speaker 1: One more to go ahead, please, you know, listen, Jordan

498
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Speaker 1: Davis turned into overnight sensation in my opinion, longly because

499
00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:55,760
Speaker 1: this is the guy we've seen play like this for

500
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Speaker 1: the past two years. You know was I was I

501
00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:00,480
Speaker 1: shocked that he ran as fast as he did. Well,

502
00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:02,680
Speaker 1: I didn't expect it. But the fact is, if you

503
00:24:02,760 --> 00:24:08,120
Speaker 1: watch Jordan Davis play, he's a big, athletic, explosive guy.

504
00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:10,920
Speaker 1: He's not not just the gap occupier. And it just

505
00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:13,440
Speaker 1: annoyed the heck out of me when people were saying, well,

506
00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:15,359
Speaker 1: he's a two down player who can't rush the passer,

507
00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:17,720
Speaker 1: and there was a lot of garbage because you know,

508
00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:20,040
Speaker 1: you don't run forty yards on a football field. But

509
00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:22,959
Speaker 1: watch the film and Jordan Davis. You consistently see this

510
00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:26,240
Speaker 1: guy change direction, get out and get out in space,

511
00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:28,480
Speaker 1: get down the line of scrimmage to the sidelines to

512
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Speaker 1: make the play against the ball. Hammler. So all this

513
00:24:31,359 --> 00:24:34,479
Speaker 1: great athleticism that he showed that kind of people flipped

514
00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:37,960
Speaker 1: out over after Saturday's work out. That's what Jordan Davis

515
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Speaker 1: has been in the past two years at Georgia. So

516
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Speaker 1: it was no surprise to me. The times were better

517
00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:47,120
Speaker 1: than I expected. But he shows that athleticism on the field. Yeah,

518
00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:49,440
Speaker 1: and Tony, give your props the game because you called

519
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Speaker 1: this out. We're talking about him, I believe in the

520
00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:54,600
Speaker 1: last episode when we're going over the defense and he said, hey,

521
00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:57,080
Speaker 1: I think we're kind of understailing his athleticism a little

522
00:24:57,080 --> 00:24:59,480
Speaker 1: bit right now and his ability to kind of change

523
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Speaker 1: guys down in pursuit. And you know, is he gonna

524
00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:04,520
Speaker 1: run down the guy in five yards away? Probably not,

525
00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:07,800
Speaker 1: but that short area. I mean he's able to burst

526
00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:10,119
Speaker 1: and get to running backs in the backfield before they

527
00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:13,520
Speaker 1: can truly pick up speed and have some tackle for loss. Uh.

528
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Speaker 1: Just you know, his ability to continue to improve as

529
00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:19,040
Speaker 1: a pass rusher with moves and maybe not have to

530
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Speaker 1: rely on this side once he puts all that together.

531
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Speaker 1: I mean, we are talking about a very very dominant

532
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Speaker 1: three down guy three forty pounds is burnt was thirty

533
00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:31,240
Speaker 1: two inches that's an inch less than trade on Burkes

534
00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:35,159
Speaker 1: at three pounds. Think about that for a second. So

535
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Speaker 1: do the four seven eight. I mean that that that was,

536
00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:41,439
Speaker 1: that was and that was freakish to run in four

537
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Speaker 1: seven eight at three hundred and forty pounds at his

538
00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:49,000
Speaker 1: high I'm one of the most impressive things I've ever seen,

539
00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:52,840
Speaker 1: to be honest, with a ten split of one six eight,

540
00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:55,760
Speaker 1: which is absolutely incredible. So totally. Let me ask you, then,

541
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Speaker 1: do you think if he improves his stamin a little bit,

542
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Speaker 1: maybe even drops a few more pounds, can he be

543
00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:04,560
Speaker 1: a real three down defensive tackle that you can trust

544
00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:06,240
Speaker 1: to rush the pass than the third down to the

545
00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:09,000
Speaker 1: next level? I thought, I think he's always he's always

546
00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:10,760
Speaker 1: been a three down tackle. You know. The fact is

547
00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:14,640
Speaker 1: this is the players are alre evolving. You know, everyone

548
00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:19,040
Speaker 1: was so maybe caught by surprise by all these times,

549
00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:21,320
Speaker 1: but the fact is the players in the nineties were

550
00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:23,720
Speaker 1: faster than the players in the eighties, and the players

551
00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:25,879
Speaker 1: in the two thousands were faster than players in the

552
00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:28,840
Speaker 1: nineteen nineties. And so these guys are gonna be bigger,

553
00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:32,200
Speaker 1: They're gonna be faster, they're gonna be more athletic. Just

554
00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:35,239
Speaker 1: because people get more athletic over the generations, plus you've

555
00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:38,280
Speaker 1: got more specialized training. I never thought it was an

556
00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:41,480
Speaker 1: issue for Jordan Davis to be a three down defender,

557
00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:45,440
Speaker 1: as a nose tackle, as a you know, defensive tackle

558
00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:47,960
Speaker 1: the format front. You can even line them up. I

559
00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:50,720
Speaker 1: think in certain three man fronts is a two gap defenseman.

560
00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:54,640
Speaker 1: He's got that versatility. It was never a question from

561
00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:56,880
Speaker 1: as far as I'm concerned. He's always been a top

562
00:26:56,920 --> 00:26:59,800
Speaker 1: fifteen player on my board. All right, let's go position

563
00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:03,040
Speaker 1: by position here. We'll start with quarterbacks. And what I'll say,

564
00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:06,240
Speaker 1: if you're basing your evaluation of quarterbacks on what they

565
00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:09,879
Speaker 1: do throwing at the combine with no pass rush and

566
00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:12,439
Speaker 1: throwing on air, you're doing it wrong. Uh So, I

567
00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:14,359
Speaker 1: frankly don't get a whole lot out of that. I

568
00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:16,760
Speaker 1: didn't hear. You know, some people said they're really impressed

569
00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:19,360
Speaker 1: with Desmond Riheter and their interviews. Okay, great, I'm I'm

570
00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:21,399
Speaker 1: happy for your congratulations. I don't know how much that

571
00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:24,240
Speaker 1: does for you. Uh And he takes that you guys

572
00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:26,159
Speaker 1: have or give me one take each for what you

573
00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:29,200
Speaker 1: saw from the quarterbacks over the weekend. And indeed, I

574
00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:33,480
Speaker 1: think well, I was gonna say that Desmond Ritter maybe

575
00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:36,119
Speaker 1: kind of solidified himself as as someone that should just

576
00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:39,399
Speaker 1: be talked about and maybe late first round, early second

577
00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:42,119
Speaker 1: round just the athleticism, and maybe he still has to

578
00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:46,280
Speaker 1: you know, continue to improve on you know, the the

579
00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:50,560
Speaker 1: touch and really you know, just being more accurate, more consistently.

580
00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:52,720
Speaker 1: But I think, you know, he they're gonna view him

581
00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:56,040
Speaker 1: as a prospect with a lot of talent. I like

582
00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:59,480
Speaker 1: the way Caleb Elaby of Western Michigan through his deep passes.

583
00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:01,200
Speaker 1: I mean, he was one of the better deep past

584
00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:04,760
Speaker 1: throwers down their cars is strong. Obviously had uh a

585
00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:06,720
Speaker 1: lot of nice deep throws, but that was expected. I

586
00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:08,600
Speaker 1: thought when you watched the deep bounts, and the deep

587
00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:11,639
Speaker 1: bounts is usually the money pass of the combine for

588
00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:14,680
Speaker 1: the quarterbacks. They gotta throw the ball far thirty forty

589
00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:16,399
Speaker 1: yards down the field. They gotta throw it to the

590
00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:18,840
Speaker 1: comb boat left and right side. I thought Caleb ell

591
00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:21,600
Speaker 1: would be really impressed me. I like him as a player.

592
00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:23,840
Speaker 1: I think he's gonna be underdrafted. I think he's a

593
00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:26,800
Speaker 1: third round talent that's probably gonna go somewhere in Day three.

594
00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:29,160
Speaker 1: But a guy who's got all the physical tools. If

595
00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:31,240
Speaker 1: you've ever talked to him, he's a terrific it or you.

596
00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:34,959
Speaker 1: He remembers things incredibly well. Uh And I think just

597
00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:38,200
Speaker 1: a matter of a day early day three pick that,

598
00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:39,920
Speaker 1: if he's coach correctly, is gonna be a real good

599
00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:42,080
Speaker 1: quarterback at the next level, you know. And I don't

600
00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:44,920
Speaker 1: think people that that scattered him heavily were surprised by it.

601
00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:47,040
Speaker 1: But I didn't think there was you know, people that

602
00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:50,240
Speaker 1: you know, think of Kenny Pickett as like this pocket guy,

603
00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:52,520
Speaker 1: were surprised by some of the athletic numbers he put up.

604
00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:54,200
Speaker 1: You know, you see him do that on the field,

605
00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:56,280
Speaker 1: And I thought that was something else that probably some

606
00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:58,200
Speaker 1: people took note of. He was I think third and

607
00:28:58,320 --> 00:28:59,880
Speaker 1: most of the explosive test thing. I thought he did

608
00:28:59,880 --> 00:29:03,960
Speaker 1: any nice job moving around out there. Let's go running back,

609
00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:07,160
Speaker 1: I gotta tell you, and I'll lead off here because

610
00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:09,760
Speaker 1: the one question I had about Bruce All heading into this.

611
00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:11,720
Speaker 1: When you watch him on tape, you love his patients,

612
00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:14,120
Speaker 1: you love his vision, you know, you love the craft

613
00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:16,920
Speaker 1: of playing running back. But I didn't see like the

614
00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:20,239
Speaker 1: explosiveness and and the you know, the breakaway speed and

615
00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:25,040
Speaker 1: then holy cow. He destroyed every piece of athletic testing

616
00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:28,000
Speaker 1: you could have. He certainly laid his claim being to

617
00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:30,880
Speaker 1: RB one, which when you combine with those running back

618
00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:34,000
Speaker 1: instings I talked about the patients to production now the

619
00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:36,760
Speaker 1: athletic testing. You know he can catch the football too.

620
00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:39,440
Speaker 1: He's made a really nice case to be that first

621
00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:42,080
Speaker 1: running back off the board. And he can block because

622
00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:44,040
Speaker 1: he had to do a lot of blocking from uh

623
00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:46,840
Speaker 1: Rock Bertie because they ran a lot of design quarterback runds.

624
00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:49,440
Speaker 1: I agree with you. I mean speed was always the

625
00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:53,000
Speaker 1: question for Hall. I always considered him a beast version

626
00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:55,240
Speaker 1: of David Montgomery. I didn't think he was a low

627
00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:58,600
Speaker 1: four four high four three guy in that vein. I

628
00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:01,920
Speaker 1: was very impressed with Isa to Checo of Rutgers, another

629
00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:06,520
Speaker 1: guy who ran much faster. Ruckers had a terrible offensive

630
00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:09,160
Speaker 1: line this year. He really had to struggle to pick

631
00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:11,320
Speaker 1: up yards, how to create his own yards because the

632
00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:15,760
Speaker 1: holes weren't there, didn't look that fast during shrine game practices,

633
00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:18,520
Speaker 1: ran in the fourth three's, had a terrific vertical jump.

634
00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:20,800
Speaker 1: It's gonna be a Day three pick. But a guy

635
00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:23,080
Speaker 1: who you know is a situational ball carry that can

636
00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:26,240
Speaker 1: also catch the ball out of the backfield. You know,

637
00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:28,840
Speaker 1: one thing that jumped out right away. Then this running

638
00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:31,400
Speaker 1: back class was really fast. One guy was intrigued to

639
00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:33,520
Speaker 1: see just kind of how he measured in at first

640
00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:37,200
Speaker 1: was James Cook out of Georgia. You know, he was

641
00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:40,440
Speaker 1: slight enlisted as a very slight football player at five

642
00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:44,040
Speaker 1: eleven a hundred ninety pounds by Georgia. But seeing him

643
00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:47,760
Speaker 1: way in at basically two hundred pounds pounds, I was like,

644
00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:49,520
Speaker 1: you know that that that's good for him to kind

645
00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:51,960
Speaker 1: of continue to get closer to two hunting and then

646
00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:55,720
Speaker 1: to see how well he tested randishing well four four

647
00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:58,680
Speaker 1: two official time. I thought that was a good win

648
00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:01,440
Speaker 1: for him coming in at that weight which was heavier,

649
00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:04,440
Speaker 1: and then uh being able to post that top of

650
00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:06,520
Speaker 1: forty time to kind of back up what we've seen

651
00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:09,880
Speaker 1: on film, which is more of an explosive ability. And

652
00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:12,920
Speaker 1: he was great in uh during position drills, he was

653
00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:18,080
Speaker 1: smooth position jos very smooth, played aston any time, cut

654
00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:21,600
Speaker 1: the ball exceptional about which he did at Georgia. So uh,

655
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:24,120
Speaker 1: I thought it was not only good testing numbers, but

656
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:27,800
Speaker 1: also a terrific position to workout by James Cook. Yeah,

657
00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:29,120
Speaker 1: and by the way, I'll throw out there too. I

658
00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:31,800
Speaker 1: thought Kenneth Walker out of Michigan State looked good catching

659
00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:33,560
Speaker 1: the ball, which is a big question for him. They

660
00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:35,160
Speaker 1: don't really throw it too much of Michigan Stay good

661
00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:37,680
Speaker 1: forty time from him too, so I think he helped himself.

662
00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:39,320
Speaker 1: One guy TOLDY, I hadn't looked at I just want

663
00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:41,440
Speaker 1: to come to get your and YouTube Eric if you've

664
00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:45,280
Speaker 1: looked at him. I thought Tyler Goodson from Iowa looked

665
00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:47,520
Speaker 1: really good in the position drills. I hadn't known a

666
00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:50,160
Speaker 1: ton about him. His testing numbers were good. I thought

667
00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:52,360
Speaker 1: he was a really good mover in the drills. What

668
00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:54,400
Speaker 1: can you tell us about Goodson? You know I think

669
00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:56,960
Speaker 1: about Goodson is they really threw the ball to him

670
00:31:56,960 --> 00:31:59,760
Speaker 1: out of out of the backfield at Iowa. And when

671
00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:02,120
Speaker 1: you watch him on film, he's sort of a straight

672
00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:05,440
Speaker 1: line ball carrier, a guy who wasn't great around the corner.

673
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:08,360
Speaker 1: He had that first. But I agree with you. I mean,

674
00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:11,080
Speaker 1: he was good testing and and he was very good

675
00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:14,600
Speaker 1: during position drills, so it's a matter of coaching him

676
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:16,400
Speaker 1: to be able to do that on the football field.

677
00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:19,720
Speaker 1: All right, let's go to wide receivers. Croc. Why don't

678
00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:23,320
Speaker 1: you do this off of that position fast? Right? You

679
00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:26,560
Speaker 1: know The interesting thing about is, as well as everyone

680
00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:31,000
Speaker 1: ran or about these guys ran um, I believe they're

681
00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:34,760
Speaker 1: they're legit, like you know, just route runners. They're savvy

682
00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:37,440
Speaker 1: guys at the catch point, and they do other things

683
00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:40,600
Speaker 1: other than speed. So to see some of the times

684
00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:43,200
Speaker 1: that they posted, I was kind of surprised by that.

685
00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:45,920
Speaker 1: You know, a love I don't think he's someone that

686
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:49,520
Speaker 1: has to lean on his speed or forty yard dash.

687
00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:51,719
Speaker 1: But one guy I do want to talk about is Thornton,

688
00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:55,280
Speaker 1: who obviously had the fastest forty times. I hadn't watched

689
00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:58,440
Speaker 1: anything for Thornton out of Baylor, but to go back

690
00:32:58,480 --> 00:32:59,960
Speaker 1: and watch him, I was like, you know, there's some

691
00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:02,320
Speaker 1: setting this to his game, and it was very clear

692
00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:05,560
Speaker 1: that this guy plays as fast as is forty time.

693
00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:08,840
Speaker 1: You just have Denzel Mims come out a couple of

694
00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:11,960
Speaker 1: years ago. He is struggling to get on the field.

695
00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:14,360
Speaker 1: I think there's gonna be those comparisons between him and

696
00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:16,520
Speaker 1: manage because you know, you see the size men with

697
00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:19,080
Speaker 1: six three, you got Thornton who's close to six three.

698
00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:21,760
Speaker 1: He's a hundred and eighty pounds. They both ran in

699
00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:24,000
Speaker 1: the one rand, the four threes, one round the four

700
00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:27,080
Speaker 1: two is but they're different. And you see the speed

701
00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:30,480
Speaker 1: jump off the tape at Baylor, being able to separate

702
00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:34,240
Speaker 1: from guys underneath, being able to separate vertically down the field,

703
00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:35,640
Speaker 1: I think he does a tremulo his job with that.

704
00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:38,000
Speaker 1: So that that's a guy who I think, you know,

705
00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:39,800
Speaker 1: we'll see how high he end of going. I don't

706
00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:41,320
Speaker 1: think teams are gonna be I only ran four to

707
00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:44,320
Speaker 1: just throwing day one, but you know, the potential for

708
00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:47,440
Speaker 1: late day day two, maybe early day three. I can

709
00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:50,440
Speaker 1: see that as a possibility for Torton. You know, I

710
00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:52,920
Speaker 1: wanted to put bone melting of Rutgers in here, but

711
00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:56,560
Speaker 1: all right, when I saw Kevin Austin of Notary Game workout,

712
00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:59,040
Speaker 1: Kevin Austin on film is a real good pass catcher.

713
00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:01,040
Speaker 1: But then you ut he comes in six two and

714
00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:04,280
Speaker 1: a half pounds, runs in the low four fours. Some

715
00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:06,960
Speaker 1: teams had him in the four threes, six seven in

716
00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:10,320
Speaker 1: the three cone. His vertical was thirty nine inches, his

717
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:13,479
Speaker 1: broy jump was eleven feet even. And I think Kevin

718
00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:16,200
Speaker 1: Alsen is a guy. He's gonna go Day two probably

719
00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:19,560
Speaker 1: the third around the area developing as a receiver. I

720
00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:22,840
Speaker 1: like the film, the test, the testing numbers were terrific.

721
00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:25,120
Speaker 1: I thought he did an outstanding job, and I think

722
00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:28,080
Speaker 1: he really elevated his draft stock. I'll throw a couple

723
00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:30,360
Speaker 1: of guys here real quick. Garrett Wilson reminds me of

724
00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:32,640
Speaker 1: when Justin Jefferson showed up to Combine. People thought he

725
00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:35,480
Speaker 1: running the four fives, end up running in the four fours,

726
00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:37,080
Speaker 1: and then look what happened when he got to the pros.

727
00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:40,080
Speaker 1: He's running past everybody. And Wilson's final official time was

728
00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:42,080
Speaker 1: a fourth three eight, Right, Tony, if I'm not mistaken,

729
00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:44,839
Speaker 1: I'll tell you right and keep talking. I'll tell you yeah,

730
00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:48,239
Speaker 1: four three eight for him, Yeah, which is an I mean,

731
00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:50,720
Speaker 1: nobody thought Wilson would have ran faster than Chris Olave

732
00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:52,960
Speaker 1: going into this thing. No one thought that was possible.

733
00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:54,640
Speaker 1: The way he goes up for the ball. He's a

734
00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:57,560
Speaker 1: good route runner. Now if he really has that speed,

735
00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:00,360
Speaker 1: I think that helps him an awful lot up. Christian

736
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:02,720
Speaker 1: Watson certainly built on what he did at the Senior

737
00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:05,719
Speaker 1: Bowl with his testing numbers. I thought he was fantastic,

738
00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:07,800
Speaker 1: So I thought those are the two guys that I

739
00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:12,239
Speaker 1: think really helped themselves. All right, let's go out of

740
00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:14,879
Speaker 1: the tight ends. All I got here for you, guys

741
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:17,240
Speaker 1: is is Johnny Woods, who I had not watched before

742
00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:19,360
Speaker 1: we got there, but he like literally looked at the

743
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:21,320
Speaker 1: top of every tight end list he was there. We

744
00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:23,839
Speaker 1: knew this wasn't an ultra athletic tight end group as

745
00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:25,839
Speaker 1: it was, and I thought it made it pretty easy

746
00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:28,319
Speaker 1: for him to stand out. Yeah. I mean, I was

747
00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:30,920
Speaker 1: a trying game practices and Gilanni Woods actually looks like

748
00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:32,960
Speaker 1: he should be on a basketball court. He looks like

749
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:36,600
Speaker 1: a power six seven and change two fifty pounds, and

750
00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:38,560
Speaker 1: when you watch him play, when you watch the film,

751
00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:41,759
Speaker 1: you're like, okay, high four sevens, you know, low four Right,

752
00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:44,560
Speaker 1: she runs a four six one and you're like, where

753
00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:46,600
Speaker 1: did that speed come from? Now he's still a little

754
00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:49,239
Speaker 1: bit stiff. I still don't know that he's anything other

755
00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:51,840
Speaker 1: than a third tight end at the next level. But

756
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:54,560
Speaker 1: the guy who impressed me, and I expected him to

757
00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:58,560
Speaker 1: impress me, was a quant quote of of Maryland four

758
00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:00,759
Speaker 1: or five too. He's a little bit like two one

759
00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:02,759
Speaker 1: and thirty eight pounds. He's probably more of a move

760
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:05,920
Speaker 1: tight end, doesn't do a bad job blocking when they

761
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:09,200
Speaker 1: asked them too. But again at try and game practices,

762
00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:14,680
Speaker 1: he caught everything. He runs fast during UH during combined workouts,

763
00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:16,480
Speaker 1: I mean at four or five two is a good

764
00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:19,200
Speaker 1: time for some of the receivers UH that we saw

765
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:22,880
Speaker 1: better than Kyle Hamilton's UH. And I think he's just

766
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:25,080
Speaker 1: in the right system as a move tight end. I

767
00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:28,120
Speaker 1: love him. I like him a lot as a pass catcher. Yeah,

768
00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:30,319
Speaker 1: Greg was the guy for me, you know, watching them

769
00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:32,360
Speaker 1: man U c l A. I thought he was, you know,

770
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:35,480
Speaker 1: really good and fluid, very fluid mover out there in space.

771
00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:37,440
Speaker 1: And he went to the combine and and he tested

772
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:38,920
Speaker 1: on to back up some of these that we've seen

773
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:41,520
Speaker 1: on film from you. All right, let's jump to the

774
00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:43,520
Speaker 1: offensive line group, Tony, why don't you lead us off

775
00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:46,000
Speaker 1: at that spot? You know, I was very impressed. And

776
00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:50,719
Speaker 1: again I go with guys that do better than I expected.

777
00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:54,360
Speaker 1: Roxton Jones out of Southern Utah played at the Senior

778
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:58,520
Speaker 1: Bowl running the low five, had a decent UH, a

779
00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:02,279
Speaker 1: decent vertical jump. Look, every athletic during position drills lay

780
00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:05,000
Speaker 1: left tackle. Maybe he's a left tackle in the NFL.

781
00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:08,239
Speaker 1: Maybe he's the guard shows decent strength at the point

782
00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:10,480
Speaker 1: of attack. But I think he's also good fit for

783
00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:13,279
Speaker 1: a zone blocking scheme. I think he's a guy that's

784
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:15,640
Speaker 1: got a lot of upside. Went to Southern Utah, so

785
00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:17,799
Speaker 1: you don't know the level of coaching that he got

786
00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:21,400
Speaker 1: in Southern Utah. Again, gets into an NFL weight training program,

787
00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:24,560
Speaker 1: get some NFL coaching. The athleticism is there, as he

788
00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:26,919
Speaker 1: showed during his combined workout, and he was gonna player

789
00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:28,640
Speaker 1: in Southern Utah. You know, that's why he got to

790
00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:30,759
Speaker 1: the senior ball. So I was very impressed with what

791
00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:34,919
Speaker 1: I saw from Braxton Jones to Southern Utah. How about Yeah,

792
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:37,280
Speaker 1: Coach Trange was the guy for me, you know, watching

793
00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:39,600
Speaker 1: him go through some of his positional drills. Obviously, he

794
00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:41,920
Speaker 1: ran will in the forty He's not like the biggest

795
00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:44,319
Speaker 1: guy by at six five over three hundred pounds. That's

796
00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:47,960
Speaker 1: terrific time running at five point zero three forty yard

797
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:50,719
Speaker 1: dash awesome. But when he was out there in their field,

798
00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:52,799
Speaker 1: I thought he moved it very well. They were challenging them,

799
00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:55,399
Speaker 1: you know, doing the drill where they made guy back up,

800
00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:58,960
Speaker 1: run this way, run that way, back up again, sprint forward,

801
00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:01,359
Speaker 1: and you look smooth. He looked fluid, and I thought,

802
00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:03,239
Speaker 1: that's a guy who you know, there are people that

803
00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:06,080
Speaker 1: kind of like him playing in that interior part of

804
00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:07,879
Speaker 1: the offensive line. But he was someone who I think

805
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:10,600
Speaker 1: fits today's game on the offensive line. Yeah. I thought

806
00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:13,839
Speaker 1: he was claim finding about col strangers when he came

807
00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:16,480
Speaker 1: into the season. Uh. He was great as a street

808
00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:19,840
Speaker 1: free agent by scouts, they basically use an afterthought. And

809
00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:22,040
Speaker 1: now you're looking at someone who's gonna be an early

810
00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:24,840
Speaker 1: Gates three pickt center. One other guy I gotta mention

811
00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:27,799
Speaker 1: who projects the center, Zach tom Oh, that's who I

812
00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:30,279
Speaker 1: was gonna say, Tony, you got to take him. Tell

813
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:33,720
Speaker 1: me about him. I thought he was great and drills man, Yeah,

814
00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:36,839
Speaker 1: great and drills. His testing numbers were outstanding as well

815
00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:41,400
Speaker 1: for nine four and the forty three in Torontogo jump. Uh,

816
00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:44,399
Speaker 1: in the broad jump seven three and the three con.

817
00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:47,719
Speaker 1: I mean, he's an athletic guy. Laid left tackle and

818
00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:50,279
Speaker 1: you could see the athleticism left tackle when he was

819
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:52,760
Speaker 1: at Wake Forest. But he just doesn't have the size.

820
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:55,360
Speaker 1: He doesn't have the strength. He's gonna be moved inside

821
00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:57,920
Speaker 1: probably and he could be moving into the guarden. I

822
00:38:57,920 --> 00:38:59,640
Speaker 1: think he's gonna be a real good center in time.

823
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:03,560
Speaker 1: Uh s already steal your thunder. But im was outstanding.

824
00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:08,080
Speaker 1: But again, another guy who showed the athleticism on film

825
00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:11,040
Speaker 1: and just prove what a lot of people thought after

826
00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:13,120
Speaker 1: watching him the past couple of years. Yeah, I thought

827
00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:15,440
Speaker 1: he was excellent. And I'll just say I think, you know,

828
00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:18,719
Speaker 1: Zion Johnson solidified everything we already thought about him. It

829
00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:21,160
Speaker 1: wasn't one of those deals where he's surprised. I just

830
00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:23,200
Speaker 1: think he's as safe as a pick as you can

831
00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:25,479
Speaker 1: have in this draft, and he's gonna be a good

832
00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:28,200
Speaker 1: football player wherever you pick him. And I think you

833
00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:30,680
Speaker 1: can go wrong going there. But I agree Tony. I

834
00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:32,439
Speaker 1: was really impressed by Zack Tom. I didn't know anything

835
00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:34,200
Speaker 1: about him before the combin. Then I looked into him.

836
00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:36,359
Speaker 1: I was like, Wow, all right, I like this guy

837
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:38,640
Speaker 1: as a Day three picks, as someone you can develop

838
00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:40,560
Speaker 1: a little bit. I'm with you, all right, let's go

839
00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:44,719
Speaker 1: to the defensive line. Um, I'm gonna I I want

840
00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:46,200
Speaker 1: to ask you guys about this player. So I'm gonna

841
00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:50,720
Speaker 1: start here. Trayvon Walker. Okay, he tested off the charts.

842
00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:52,839
Speaker 1: People told me he was going to test off the charts,

843
00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:56,640
Speaker 1: So I wasn't surprised by that, but I didn't see

844
00:39:56,680 --> 00:40:00,239
Speaker 1: that on tape when I watched him. Is this just said,

845
00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:03,520
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna use a basketball reference here, Is this

846
00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:06,640
Speaker 1: like scouting these guards coming out of Kentucky where they

847
00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:09,440
Speaker 1: play in a system and you need to figure out like,

848
00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:12,560
Speaker 1: you know, like DeVante Booker was a backup for John Calipari, right,

849
00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:15,319
Speaker 1: and they play in a very rigid system, so it's

850
00:40:15,360 --> 00:40:20,719
Speaker 1: difficult to figure out exactly what they can do. In totality,

851
00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:25,400
Speaker 1: is the way they used Walker guys something that maybe

852
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:28,399
Speaker 1: is you know, hiding some of his ability here, where

853
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:29,759
Speaker 1: if he was allowed to be out on the edge,

854
00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:31,960
Speaker 1: you would have seen more out of him. How are

855
00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:33,680
Speaker 1: you supposed to figure this gap? As are you thinking

856
00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:35,919
Speaker 1: about him now? Is the top five, top seven pick?

857
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:39,279
Speaker 1: You're projecting him to do something he really didn't do

858
00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:42,279
Speaker 1: in college as an edge guy, And that to me

859
00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:45,879
Speaker 1: is a little rich for a projection. So just give

860
00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:47,759
Speaker 1: me how you're kind of taking what we saw from

861
00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:51,480
Speaker 1: Walker in totality over the weekend. Well, the thing is

862
00:40:51,520 --> 00:40:53,880
Speaker 1: this is go back to Jordan Davis. I mean that

863
00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:57,399
Speaker 1: people put limitations on Jordan Davis when they shouldn't. If

864
00:40:57,440 --> 00:41:01,040
Speaker 1: you watch the Georgia film, I disagree with you that

865
00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:03,480
Speaker 1: he didn't show the athleticism. He just showed it in

866
00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:06,280
Speaker 1: different ways. He didn't show it as a consistent pass rusher.

867
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:10,359
Speaker 1: What's the film? I mean they dropped They used him

868
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:12,880
Speaker 1: encourage on zone blitzes, and he would go. He would

869
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:15,960
Speaker 1: backpedal ten fifteen yards and make plays. When the ball

870
00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:18,520
Speaker 1: is in the air, he would change direction and get

871
00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:21,840
Speaker 1: out in space and make the tackle. And again, the

872
00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:26,320
Speaker 1: issue with George is they had so many tremendous players

873
00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:30,279
Speaker 1: in that defensive front seven. They continually rotated them, and

874
00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:34,399
Speaker 1: they and two Walkers credit. Rather than just mindlessly pin

875
00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:36,800
Speaker 1: his ears back and rush up the field, he played

876
00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:39,239
Speaker 1: assignment football. He did what he was supposed to be.

877
00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:42,600
Speaker 1: He would stay with his with with his gap responsibilities

878
00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:45,680
Speaker 1: rather than just rush up the field. So I think

879
00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:50,319
Speaker 1: it's more more situation where Georgia had the system. They

880
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:53,719
Speaker 1: didn't need him to rush the passer consistently because they

881
00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:56,520
Speaker 1: would say guys like Quay Walker and Kobe Deane and

882
00:41:56,560 --> 00:41:58,600
Speaker 1: other people up the field to get the pad, and

883
00:41:58,640 --> 00:42:02,880
Speaker 1: they maximized talent in other areas. Listen, I was I

884
00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:05,919
Speaker 1: knew that Trebon Walker and I reported was gonna test

885
00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:09,400
Speaker 1: top three, top five in all in every category from

886
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:12,439
Speaker 1: the defensive lineman. But he was absolutely off the church

887
00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:15,360
Speaker 1: as we're you know, we're talking about George David Georgia

888
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:19,479
Speaker 1: linebackers and is there met Lucy everybody from Georgia really

889
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:23,279
Speaker 1: had they killed Dan Walker definitely was one of those

890
00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:25,359
Speaker 1: guys you want to talk about the athleticism kind of

891
00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:27,440
Speaker 1: jumping off the screen. I remember watching him in the

892
00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:30,160
Speaker 1: National Championship Game and the way he closed it was

893
00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:31,560
Speaker 1: almost like he ended up in kind of like a

894
00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:36,360
Speaker 1: spy situation on Bryce Young and he closed so fast.

895
00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:40,080
Speaker 1: That was whoa who was that? Who just closed like

896
00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:42,839
Speaker 1: that on this quarterback in space? And that was when

897
00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:45,680
Speaker 1: I knew, like, Okay, obviously he's a tremendous athlete. How

898
00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:48,000
Speaker 1: was gonna test. I don't think I saw this coming,

899
00:42:48,280 --> 00:42:49,799
Speaker 1: but it was something good to see. And I think

900
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:52,600
Speaker 1: NFL teams, depending on how they utilized him, because they

901
00:42:52,680 --> 00:42:55,480
Speaker 1: did some different things having him rush from the inside

902
00:42:55,600 --> 00:42:57,680
Speaker 1: and things like that, if they are gonna start to

903
00:42:57,680 --> 00:43:00,200
Speaker 1: set him up as more of a outside line back

904
00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:02,239
Speaker 1: or at three or four outside backer or just pure

905
00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:04,120
Speaker 1: four at three edge I haven't come up to edge there.

906
00:43:04,360 --> 00:43:06,319
Speaker 1: I think that's where you'll see, like the benefits of

907
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:10,200
Speaker 1: his athleticism. You use him at all those roys, I mean,

908
00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:11,879
Speaker 1: you know, don't live in them, because what you can

909
00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:13,640
Speaker 1: do is if you use them in all the ways

910
00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:16,200
Speaker 1: that you just mentioned, you know, how is an offense,

911
00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:18,600
Speaker 1: how is the offense gonna stop him? Or at least

912
00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:21,000
Speaker 1: you know, they may have to put in some protections

913
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:23,879
Speaker 1: to protect it to stop him, which will open things

914
00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:25,920
Speaker 1: up for the other players on the defense. All right,

915
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:27,880
Speaker 1: so we hit Walker, We had Jordan Davis earlier. What

916
00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:29,759
Speaker 1: are the defensive linemen jumped out for you? How about

917
00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:33,520
Speaker 1: you crock Well? Other ones? Oh? My guy, man boy

918
00:43:33,560 --> 00:43:37,240
Speaker 1: in fat Yeah, you know it was good and and

919
00:43:37,239 --> 00:43:39,440
Speaker 1: and I was told my buddy he works with him

920
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:40,920
Speaker 1: out there in Minnesota, and I went out there and

921
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:43,640
Speaker 1: I visited them, and you see, like guy, he's he

922
00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:46,920
Speaker 1: clearly loves it, and he's been really kind of developing

923
00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:48,719
Speaker 1: behind the scenes. They had somebody ahead of him for

924
00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:50,880
Speaker 1: a couple of years, but now he's had his chance,

925
00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:54,239
Speaker 1: and I feel like he's still kind of growing as

926
00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:55,879
Speaker 1: a pass rusher. But you watched him out the Senior

927
00:43:55,880 --> 00:43:57,920
Speaker 1: Bowl did a terrific job winning is one on one

928
00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:00,239
Speaker 1: ramps versus from the outside versu from the inside. I

929
00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:01,880
Speaker 1: know there are people care to see how does he

930
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:04,440
Speaker 1: play in space, because he who his list as kind

931
00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:07,560
Speaker 1: of a linebacker had to combine. So you saw his

932
00:44:07,640 --> 00:44:10,080
Speaker 1: testing numbers through the roof. He did a terrific job.

933
00:44:10,120 --> 00:44:13,120
Speaker 1: At six four uh, two hundred sixty pounds ran four

934
00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:15,759
Speaker 1: or five three. That was awesome for him. But to

935
00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:18,720
Speaker 1: see how he moved in space with the position drules,

936
00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:21,879
Speaker 1: I think that was what stood out the most for him. Yeah,

937
00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:24,200
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with the Mariti Barnow of Virginia Tech.

938
00:44:24,239 --> 00:44:25,600
Speaker 1: I don't know if you want to count him as

939
00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:27,920
Speaker 1: a defensive end. I don't know if you want to

940
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:30,359
Speaker 1: count him as a stand up linebacker and a three four.

941
00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:33,360
Speaker 1: He's an edge accounts accounts. I don't know if he's

942
00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:35,120
Speaker 1: gonna be able to do both. But the fact is

943
00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:37,439
Speaker 1: this is I was told that I reported he's gonna

944
00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:39,239
Speaker 1: run in the mid four fourth. The guy runs four

945
00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:43,000
Speaker 1: three six at two forty eight pounds, has a thirty

946
00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:46,720
Speaker 1: seven inch vertical jump, ten of eleven broad good positions.

947
00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:49,160
Speaker 1: Just in the fact is this, Go back and watch

948
00:44:49,239 --> 00:44:52,000
Speaker 1: the film on Barno, he shows that athleticism. He's not

949
00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:54,279
Speaker 1: just an up the field guy who can bend the edge.

950
00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:56,720
Speaker 1: He gets out into space. He gets out in pursuit

951
00:44:56,760 --> 00:45:00,319
Speaker 1: to make plays much faster and much more explosive. I

952
00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:02,160
Speaker 1: think when you've got that type of players, he's got

953
00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:05,879
Speaker 1: decent size. Granted, he's gonna have to learn to learn

954
00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:08,839
Speaker 1: to protect himself and defend the run at the next level.

955
00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:11,040
Speaker 1: But when you get a guy who's that tall, is

956
00:45:11,080 --> 00:45:13,680
Speaker 1: that athletic, He's got the growth potential, He's got the

957
00:45:13,719 --> 00:45:16,240
Speaker 1: speed and explosion. You know, the sky is the limit

958
00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:18,279
Speaker 1: for somebody like Barno. And by the way, I want

959
00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:22,240
Speaker 1: to launch an investigation how Travis Jones didn't just dominate

960
00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:24,759
Speaker 1: the A A C all season the way that man

961
00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:27,560
Speaker 1: moved at that size of his strength. How is he

962
00:45:27,719 --> 00:45:31,960
Speaker 1: just not like destroying opposing the offensive lines on a

963
00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:34,560
Speaker 1: weekly basis. I haven't gone back and watched it, but

964
00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:37,960
Speaker 1: I don't get it, because that dude is a beast.

965
00:45:39,320 --> 00:45:43,040
Speaker 1: And absolutely I said that after the senior ball. I

966
00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:45,960
Speaker 1: mean after after if there dominators a senior ball, he

967
00:45:46,040 --> 00:45:48,120
Speaker 1: was like, where was this guy against holy Cross and

968
00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:51,240
Speaker 1: New Pass? That is this you know, when you play

969
00:45:51,360 --> 00:45:54,120
Speaker 1: for what's got to be the what was anyway the

970
00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:58,080
Speaker 1: worst one a program for three of the last four years,

971
00:45:58,160 --> 00:46:01,120
Speaker 1: it's gotta be deep motivate, being to a point where

972
00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:04,920
Speaker 1: you know you're hanging on to beat Yale with forty

973
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:08,040
Speaker 1: seconds left in the game, which was a weekly occurrence

974
00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:12,080
Speaker 1: for run Yukon. So that's gotta be defeating for him.

975
00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:13,759
Speaker 1: And you're right, you know, it's sort of a roll

976
00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:16,000
Speaker 1: of the dice. I got to speak it at length

977
00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:18,960
Speaker 1: with Jones at the Senior Bowl. He seems like an

978
00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:23,719
Speaker 1: upfront guy, but again, legitimate question. All right, let's go

979
00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:25,960
Speaker 1: to linebacker. I'm gonna lead off. I've been on this

980
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:27,719
Speaker 1: guy since I saw him at the Senior Bowl. Didn't

981
00:46:27,719 --> 00:46:29,200
Speaker 1: know anything about him, and you know, he's not a

982
00:46:29,239 --> 00:46:31,239
Speaker 1: sleeper anymore. He's probably gonna be a second round pick.

983
00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:35,640
Speaker 1: And that's Troy Anderson from Montana State. Boy, that dude moved.

984
00:46:35,719 --> 00:46:37,120
Speaker 1: I had a chance to talk to him. He was

985
00:46:37,160 --> 00:46:39,640
Speaker 1: at one of those side tables Tony during media availability,

986
00:46:39,719 --> 00:46:41,719
Speaker 1: so there was nobody really around them. I had a

987
00:46:41,800 --> 00:46:44,240
Speaker 1: chance to talk to him. You know, his story is great.

988
00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:47,040
Speaker 1: He starts off as an offensive player, then he's playing

989
00:46:47,080 --> 00:46:50,040
Speaker 1: like safety's cover and then he goes to linebacker and

990
00:46:50,120 --> 00:46:53,560
Speaker 1: you can see all those movement skills. You talked about

991
00:46:53,560 --> 00:46:55,600
Speaker 1: it on the tape. He's also a thumper. He's willing

992
00:46:55,640 --> 00:46:58,000
Speaker 1: to hit. You know. For me, this guy checks every

993
00:46:58,040 --> 00:47:00,920
Speaker 1: box you want to step and play off ball linebacker

994
00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:03,680
Speaker 1: that can cover or do everything you want on three downs.

995
00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:06,439
Speaker 1: Troy Anderson's my guy, and he only made me even

996
00:47:06,440 --> 00:47:09,560
Speaker 1: happier watching him at the Combine. I thought he was fantastic.

997
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:12,520
Speaker 1: It's been a slow build for Anderson. You know, he

998
00:47:13,320 --> 00:47:16,720
Speaker 1: I think in two thousand and twenty during the COVID season,

999
00:47:16,760 --> 00:47:18,600
Speaker 1: I don't think Montana State played a game. They may

1000
00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:20,680
Speaker 1: have only played one game. You gotta go back and look,

1001
00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:24,280
Speaker 1: he was good during the season. Then the questions about

1002
00:47:24,560 --> 00:47:27,279
Speaker 1: Anderson was well at the Senior Bowls, Well, listen, we

1003
00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:28,879
Speaker 1: know he's good in the box, we know he's good

1004
00:47:28,920 --> 00:47:31,120
Speaker 1: up the field. Can he make plays in reverse? He

1005
00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:33,680
Speaker 1: did a good job there, and then he shows just

1006
00:47:33,800 --> 00:47:37,359
Speaker 1: exceptional athleticism at the Combine. So, like you said, he's

1007
00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:40,120
Speaker 1: gonna be a day to pick, likely in the second round.

1008
00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:45,240
Speaker 1: At coming into the season, was given late round grains

1009
00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:47,680
Speaker 1: by scouts, probably because they barely saw him playing in

1010
00:47:47,680 --> 00:47:50,799
Speaker 1: two thousand twenty, but but he's basically answered the call

1011
00:47:50,920 --> 00:47:56,720
Speaker 1: from most was Christian Harris of Alabama, A little bit smaller,

1012
00:47:57,080 --> 00:47:59,600
Speaker 1: just under two and thirty pounds, runs in the four

1013
00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:02,560
Speaker 1: four Wars, and again this is the athleticism you go

1014
00:48:02,640 --> 00:48:05,040
Speaker 1: off the two thousand twenty film, Christian Harris looks like

1015
00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:09,200
Speaker 1: a legitimate first round pick. Inconsistent last year, had his

1016
00:48:09,360 --> 00:48:11,440
Speaker 1: ups and downs, but in the semifinal game, in the

1017
00:48:11,520 --> 00:48:14,279
Speaker 1: championship game, he was the Christian Harrison I saw in

1018
00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:17,319
Speaker 1: two thousand twenty. Now you see a guy who on

1019
00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:21,160
Speaker 1: film at his very best is a tremendous three down linebacker,

1020
00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:24,080
Speaker 1: and you mail that with the athleticism and the speed

1021
00:48:24,160 --> 00:48:26,600
Speaker 1: that we saw. I think Christian Harrison's got to going

1022
00:48:26,680 --> 00:48:29,839
Speaker 1: back in the right direction. Well, you talk about athleticism,

1023
00:48:29,840 --> 00:48:31,480
Speaker 1: and I think you know, that was a big question

1024
00:48:31,520 --> 00:48:34,279
Speaker 1: mark from my guy. You know, Chadmuma and a lot

1025
00:48:34,320 --> 00:48:36,279
Speaker 1: of people are worried about that. How can he move

1026
00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:38,319
Speaker 1: in space and do those things? He is a guy

1027
00:48:38,320 --> 00:48:40,600
Speaker 1: who led the nation in tackling. When he goes to

1028
00:48:40,680 --> 00:48:42,440
Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl, I mean he goes to the combine

1029
00:48:42,840 --> 00:48:46,000
Speaker 1: and ends up you know, having a forty vertical league

1030
00:48:46,080 --> 00:48:49,120
Speaker 1: rans four six three. Um, you know, his three cone

1031
00:48:49,239 --> 00:48:52,080
Speaker 1: was terrific. Just from an athletic standpoint, I thought he

1032
00:48:52,120 --> 00:48:54,440
Speaker 1: tested extremely well. So it shows that, like hey, he

1033
00:48:54,560 --> 00:48:56,640
Speaker 1: at the very least has the ability to continue and

1034
00:48:56,719 --> 00:49:00,160
Speaker 1: improve his athletic traits and ability on the field. So

1035
00:49:00,239 --> 00:49:02,000
Speaker 1: there's some room for growth with him. Now was the

1036
00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:03,960
Speaker 1: guy I was. I was excited to see him test

1037
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:06,120
Speaker 1: will Yeah, I thought he did well as well. All right,

1038
00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:10,560
Speaker 1: let's go to the quarterbacks. Croc lead us off. Oh man,

1039
00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:15,160
Speaker 1: I mean Sauce Gardner. Now obviously, I mean that's that's

1040
00:49:15,239 --> 00:49:17,200
Speaker 1: that's an easy guy to kind of pick out because

1041
00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:19,480
Speaker 1: of you know, everybody was expecting him to come in.

1042
00:49:19,680 --> 00:49:21,879
Speaker 1: How well would he do, how well would he run?

1043
00:49:22,239 --> 00:49:23,960
Speaker 1: And he ended up running a four or four one

1044
00:49:24,320 --> 00:49:27,920
Speaker 1: at close to six three almost two hundred pounds. But

1045
00:49:28,040 --> 00:49:30,560
Speaker 1: to me, it's all right, he has all these athletic trades. Well,

1046
00:49:30,560 --> 00:49:33,799
Speaker 1: now how high does he go and what scheme does

1047
00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:35,960
Speaker 1: he fit best in? Is he going to be a

1048
00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:38,880
Speaker 1: pure man guy? Because he is a little long legged,

1049
00:49:38,920 --> 00:49:41,000
Speaker 1: and again I always I am a little concerned with

1050
00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:43,400
Speaker 1: the change of direction. He's smooth. Watching him in the

1051
00:49:43,400 --> 00:49:46,640
Speaker 1: field drills. You know, his flipping their hips, turning and

1052
00:49:46,719 --> 00:49:49,719
Speaker 1: running all those things look good. But uh, I think

1053
00:49:49,760 --> 00:49:52,000
Speaker 1: there's a team in the top five that might really

1054
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:54,600
Speaker 1: like him in his Houston Texans, a team that runs

1055
00:49:54,600 --> 00:49:57,480
Speaker 1: a lot of cover too, with Lovely Smith being able

1056
00:49:57,560 --> 00:50:00,279
Speaker 1: to have that long corner who can play man. But

1057
00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:02,719
Speaker 1: I to keep Fit with with his terrific zone eyes

1058
00:50:02,920 --> 00:50:05,280
Speaker 1: fit that type of scheme will I think the numbers

1059
00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:07,960
Speaker 1: are gonna kind of shoot him up boards a little bit,

1060
00:50:08,080 --> 00:50:11,040
Speaker 1: and then his ability is gonna make him really, uh

1061
00:50:11,160 --> 00:50:15,600
Speaker 1: a priority for a team like Houston. Tone We're talking corners, right,

1062
00:50:15,640 --> 00:50:19,320
Speaker 1: not safeties. We're talking defensive backs in general. Quarterbacks quarterbacks. Okay,

1063
00:50:19,360 --> 00:50:22,000
Speaker 1: I gotta go with carry elm of Florida, guy who

1064
00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:24,080
Speaker 1: I liked on film. Comes in six one and a

1065
00:50:24,080 --> 00:50:27,560
Speaker 1: half just just under two pounds, runs a four three

1066
00:50:27,640 --> 00:50:30,279
Speaker 1: nine solid the position drills. I mean, this is so

1067
00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:33,160
Speaker 1: the guy who's on the outside looking in when it

1068
00:50:33,200 --> 00:50:36,719
Speaker 1: comes to first round cornerbacks, and the conversation that you

1069
00:50:36,760 --> 00:50:39,520
Speaker 1: see in the internet world wouldn't surprise me if he

1070
00:50:39,560 --> 00:50:42,480
Speaker 1: slides into the late part of round one. Absolutely think

1071
00:50:42,480 --> 00:50:45,120
Speaker 1: that carry Elam has got all the ability, but the

1072
00:50:45,160 --> 00:50:48,560
Speaker 1: athletic skills and the football ability to be a starter

1073
00:50:48,680 --> 00:50:52,520
Speaker 1: on Sunday. I like him. He's I don't know why

1074
00:50:52,600 --> 00:50:54,680
Speaker 1: he's not talking about as much. There were people that

1075
00:50:54,800 --> 00:50:57,600
Speaker 1: question this speed, but on film he looked plenty fast

1076
00:50:57,719 --> 00:50:59,959
Speaker 1: enough to me. Never struggled to run with guys vertical,

1077
00:51:00,280 --> 00:51:02,359
Speaker 1: So I was curious, see like, why why so many

1078
00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:06,319
Speaker 1: questions about Elen? But yeah, he tested, Will had the

1079
00:51:06,360 --> 00:51:08,840
Speaker 1: size kind of profile. Is almost like C. J. Henderson

1080
00:51:08,840 --> 00:51:11,440
Speaker 1: who was drafted a couple of years ago. What can

1081
00:51:11,520 --> 00:51:14,960
Speaker 1: you guys tell me about Zion McCollum, who basically, you know,

1082
00:51:15,680 --> 00:51:18,319
Speaker 1: out worked everybody in these drolls at the combine? Why

1083
00:51:18,360 --> 00:51:21,400
Speaker 1: should people either be excited about him or be like

1084
00:51:21,760 --> 00:51:24,359
Speaker 1: maybe those numbers don't mean as much as you think. Yeah,

1085
00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:26,600
Speaker 1: I mean, he's the guy that I've watched for a

1086
00:51:26,600 --> 00:51:29,959
Speaker 1: couple of years now, and I think he's a better

1087
00:51:30,040 --> 00:51:32,839
Speaker 1: athlete than he his player, because when I watched him

1088
00:51:32,840 --> 00:51:35,800
Speaker 1: on film, he shows a lot of stiffness, stiffness in

1089
00:51:35,880 --> 00:51:39,200
Speaker 1: his back pedal, stiffness in his uh in his transition

1090
00:51:39,200 --> 00:51:42,040
Speaker 1: when he tries to flip his hips. With the size

1091
00:51:42,120 --> 00:51:44,920
Speaker 1: and with the athleticism, wouldn't surprise me if they move

1092
00:51:45,000 --> 00:51:47,439
Speaker 1: him inside to safety because he is a physical guy.

1093
00:51:47,600 --> 00:51:50,120
Speaker 1: He's more than willing to throw his pens on his shoulder.

1094
00:51:50,440 --> 00:51:53,400
Speaker 1: Good and run defense comes up the field that pops people.

1095
00:51:53,840 --> 00:51:55,920
Speaker 1: I just don't know that he's got the ball skills

1096
00:51:55,960 --> 00:51:58,920
Speaker 1: to stay at the cornerback position. I was seeing some

1097
00:51:58,960 --> 00:52:01,600
Speaker 1: of the same things that you just said watching him

1098
00:52:01,600 --> 00:52:03,120
Speaker 1: at the Senior Bowl, and that was when I first

1099
00:52:03,120 --> 00:52:05,160
Speaker 1: got a really good look at him. I watched him

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00:52:05,200 --> 00:52:08,160
Speaker 1: live against u c A University of Central Arkansas. I

1101
00:52:08,239 --> 00:52:09,960
Speaker 1: was out there at that game. Didn't see anything that

1102
00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:13,359
Speaker 1: really like jumped off out to me. In fact, one

1103
00:52:13,400 --> 00:52:15,279
Speaker 1: of the guys ended up having to get benched. H

1104
00:52:15,480 --> 00:52:17,399
Speaker 1: I'm not sure if he was him, but yeah, they

1105
00:52:17,400 --> 00:52:19,920
Speaker 1: had to take a cornerback out. So but at the

1106
00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:22,960
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl week watching him, there was nothing that really

1107
00:52:22,960 --> 00:52:25,960
Speaker 1: stood out, especially from an athletic standpoint, to see him

1108
00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:28,680
Speaker 1: test as well as he did. All right, let's go

1109
00:52:28,719 --> 00:52:32,359
Speaker 1: to safety, Tony. Who listen. I gotta go with my guy,

1110
00:52:32,440 --> 00:52:34,960
Speaker 1: Nick Cross from Maryland. I've been boasted about him. I

1111
00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:37,120
Speaker 1: almost had to getting fist fights with people about him.

1112
00:52:37,160 --> 00:52:38,840
Speaker 1: I say it's gonna be a day too pick I

1113
00:52:38,840 --> 00:52:41,680
Speaker 1: have right now, is my number three safety comes in

1114
00:52:42,200 --> 00:52:45,439
Speaker 1: six ft till two in twelve pounds, runs a four

1115
00:52:45,600 --> 00:52:49,040
Speaker 1: three four forty thirty seven inch vertical jump, ten ft

1116
00:52:49,040 --> 00:52:52,359
Speaker 1: tenn inch broad jump. Again, go back to you know,

1117
00:52:52,440 --> 00:52:54,839
Speaker 1: Kyle Hamilton's in the first ten picks versus a guy

1118
00:52:54,880 --> 00:52:56,839
Speaker 1: like Nick crossing day two when when you watch the

1119
00:52:56,840 --> 00:52:59,759
Speaker 1: film on Nick Cross, he's got excellent ball skills. You

1120
00:52:59,800 --> 00:53:01,960
Speaker 1: could put him over the slot receiver and he's not

1121
00:53:02,040 --> 00:53:05,719
Speaker 1: a liability. He shows great range. You know, I was

1122
00:53:05,800 --> 00:53:07,719
Speaker 1: told before him, I reported that he was gonna be

1123
00:53:07,760 --> 00:53:11,239
Speaker 1: the fastest safety on Sunday on Sunday, and in fact

1124
00:53:11,280 --> 00:53:13,759
Speaker 1: he was. So I think more and more people are

1125
00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:15,799
Speaker 1: gonna start to be aware of Nick Cross. Go back

1126
00:53:15,840 --> 00:53:17,520
Speaker 1: and watch the film and say, hey, you know what,

1127
00:53:18,040 --> 00:53:19,960
Speaker 1: this guy is one of the better safeties in this

1128
00:53:20,040 --> 00:53:24,120
Speaker 1: year's class. Yeah, I think, Yeah, Jaquan Brisker, that's a

1129
00:53:24,160 --> 00:53:26,520
Speaker 1: guy who's kind of shooting up some boards as a safety.

1130
00:53:26,560 --> 00:53:28,279
Speaker 1: And there's some other guys we're gonna talk about more

1131
00:53:28,320 --> 00:53:32,520
Speaker 1: than him, like Hamilton's like seeing even guys like uh

1132
00:53:33,239 --> 00:53:36,520
Speaker 1: DA's Hill. But Brisker out of Penn State, that's a

1133
00:53:36,520 --> 00:53:38,879
Speaker 1: guy I thought, you know, he he helped himself at

1134
00:53:39,040 --> 00:53:41,440
Speaker 1: on the standpoint of you know, the athletic testing, and

1135
00:53:41,520 --> 00:53:44,040
Speaker 1: he's the guy who could potentially go Day two as well.

1136
00:53:44,400 --> 00:53:48,040
Speaker 1: And he's smart. He's smart and tough, brisker. Yeah, good, good, good,

1137
00:53:48,080 --> 00:53:51,560
Speaker 1: good football player beyond the testing. For sure, I'm gonna

1138
00:53:51,560 --> 00:53:53,839
Speaker 1: go double Baylor here. You know, we've talked about Jayalen

1139
00:53:53,880 --> 00:53:56,240
Speaker 1: Petre a lot on here. I thought, again, super smooth.

1140
00:53:56,480 --> 00:53:59,000
Speaker 1: He moved more like a cornerback than a safety. I

1141
00:53:59,000 --> 00:54:01,680
Speaker 1: thought in those backpedals Joe's when they're flipping the hips, Boy,

1142
00:54:01,760 --> 00:54:03,759
Speaker 1: that guy can move. You know you're talk about you're

1143
00:54:03,760 --> 00:54:06,680
Speaker 1: not sure if Kyle Hamilton's covering the slot. I je

1144
00:54:06,719 --> 00:54:09,200
Speaker 1: Petrie is gonna cover in the slot like that. Dude

1145
00:54:09,239 --> 00:54:12,320
Speaker 1: can move. He's really good. And then I like J. T.

1146
00:54:12,520 --> 00:54:15,000
Speaker 1: Woods at the Senior Bowl. I thought he made some plays.

1147
00:54:15,320 --> 00:54:18,279
Speaker 1: He's really long. You know, he's not as sudden he does,

1148
00:54:18,320 --> 00:54:20,840
Speaker 1: he's not as twitchy as as his teammate. But I

1149
00:54:20,880 --> 00:54:23,120
Speaker 1: think some team's gonna try to invest in his length

1150
00:54:23,160 --> 00:54:24,840
Speaker 1: and speed and they're gonna try to figure out a

1151
00:54:24,840 --> 00:54:26,640
Speaker 1: way to use him. And boy, he could be a

1152
00:54:26,640 --> 00:54:29,200
Speaker 1: special team's monster too, right at that size and speed,

1153
00:54:29,200 --> 00:54:31,359
Speaker 1: with that length, he could be a core special team

1154
00:54:31,480 --> 00:54:33,680
Speaker 1: right off the bat. So I thought both Baylor guys

1155
00:54:33,680 --> 00:54:37,960
Speaker 1: did really really work. Oh no, I was gonna say.

1156
00:54:37,960 --> 00:54:40,239
Speaker 1: He talked about Petre and and and kind of him

1157
00:54:40,239 --> 00:54:41,759
Speaker 1: playing in that slot role. I think that's what he

1158
00:54:41,880 --> 00:54:44,200
Speaker 1: is when you watch him at Baylor. He's not a

1159
00:54:44,200 --> 00:54:45,799
Speaker 1: guy that lines up single high and now the guy

1160
00:54:45,800 --> 00:54:47,840
Speaker 1: that lines up too. I think he's listened at the safety,

1161
00:54:47,920 --> 00:54:51,080
Speaker 1: but he's really a nickel and I'd be interested to

1162
00:54:51,120 --> 00:54:53,799
Speaker 1: see how that translates in the NFL, because then they

1163
00:54:53,800 --> 00:54:55,600
Speaker 1: asked him to do a whole lot of man stuff.

1164
00:54:55,600 --> 00:54:57,760
Speaker 1: It looked like a lot of match stuff. If guys

1165
00:54:57,800 --> 00:55:00,719
Speaker 1: had a certain release or you know, with this way,

1166
00:55:00,760 --> 00:55:02,759
Speaker 1: then he would either carry it, you know, he'd wall

1167
00:55:02,840 --> 00:55:05,120
Speaker 1: guys off and flip his hips. I thought he showed

1168
00:55:05,160 --> 00:55:07,440
Speaker 1: good at that. I thought he showed a good movement skills,

1169
00:55:07,440 --> 00:55:10,839
Speaker 1: not just that the combine, but also on film as well.

1170
00:55:11,160 --> 00:55:14,320
Speaker 1: But he's a guy that I think he's he's got

1171
00:55:14,600 --> 00:55:17,400
Speaker 1: maybe like a Javan Holland who was kind of he

1172
00:55:17,480 --> 00:55:19,680
Speaker 1: played in that same type of role as well. And

1173
00:55:19,719 --> 00:55:22,120
Speaker 1: then he goes to Miami and he's and he's more

1174
00:55:22,360 --> 00:55:25,600
Speaker 1: than just a Nickel defender. We'll see if Petrie does that,

1175
00:55:25,640 --> 00:55:28,319
Speaker 1: because he has tremendous ability of player around the line

1176
00:55:28,360 --> 00:55:31,680
Speaker 1: of scrimmage. He's very physical. He dives on these blocks

1177
00:55:31,719 --> 00:55:34,520
Speaker 1: that makes tackles in the backfield. So a very versatile player.

1178
00:55:34,520 --> 00:55:36,600
Speaker 1: But I think he is like a legit Nickel at

1179
00:55:36,600 --> 00:55:40,799
Speaker 1: the next level. J T. Woods four three six and

1180
00:55:39,640 --> 00:55:44,520
Speaker 1: the ten eight broad. When you watch him, he's a

1181
00:55:44,520 --> 00:55:46,960
Speaker 1: little bit straight linish, and it is interesting that he

1182
00:55:47,000 --> 00:55:50,120
Speaker 1: didn't do the three Colm or the short show getting

1183
00:55:50,200 --> 00:55:53,560
Speaker 1: the Petrie. What's interesting about Petrie is he was one

1184
00:55:53,560 --> 00:55:56,359
Speaker 1: of the few guys from Baylor that didn't run. I mean,

1185
00:55:56,400 --> 00:56:00,279
Speaker 1: you got right four two three, Tae Kwon Thornton four

1186
00:56:00,360 --> 00:56:03,879
Speaker 1: to six, and you and Woods at four three, four

1187
00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:07,279
Speaker 1: three six. So you gotta wonder, Jail the beetre, you know,

1188
00:56:07,400 --> 00:56:09,560
Speaker 1: are you hiding something? What's going on? And I agree

1189
00:56:09,600 --> 00:56:11,480
Speaker 1: with you. I mean, he's surprised the heck out of

1190
00:56:11,520 --> 00:56:13,560
Speaker 1: me how to Senior Bowl during see your Bowl practice

1191
00:56:13,600 --> 00:56:16,520
Speaker 1: with his ball skills, especially the way they used him

1192
00:56:16,560 --> 00:56:19,319
Speaker 1: at Bail, which is primarily up at the box as

1193
00:56:19,360 --> 00:56:22,400
Speaker 1: a as a linebacker. Um, but that is kind of

1194
00:56:22,440 --> 00:56:25,600
Speaker 1: interesting that it was. It was the Bailor show, Uh,

1195
00:56:25,880 --> 00:56:29,200
Speaker 1: Bailor and Georgia at the combine, but Petri decide not

1196
00:56:29,280 --> 00:56:32,400
Speaker 1: to run. He's gonna have a he's gonna have a

1197
00:56:32,440 --> 00:56:34,640
Speaker 1: lot of expectations. You're gonna have to live up to

1198
00:56:34,680 --> 00:56:37,960
Speaker 1: a lot during Bailer product when Bailer prone comes around. Yeah,

1199
00:56:38,000 --> 00:56:40,160
Speaker 1: I mean, he's one of those you know, early second round,

1200
00:56:40,200 --> 00:56:41,960
Speaker 1: you pick him, You feel good about what you're getting

1201
00:56:42,000 --> 00:56:43,480
Speaker 1: with him. You know you can plug him and he's

1202
00:56:43,480 --> 00:56:46,120
Speaker 1: gonna play well for you, guys. Excellent stuff. Next week,

1203
00:56:46,160 --> 00:56:50,280
Speaker 1: we're gonna kind of go through everybody what our true

1204
00:56:50,480 --> 00:56:53,080
Speaker 1: first round grades are in this draft class and figure

1205
00:56:53,120 --> 00:56:55,759
Speaker 1: out how many there are. Usually, Tony, you have usually

1206
00:56:55,800 --> 00:56:58,080
Speaker 1: between fifteen and twenty, right, give or take. And then

1207
00:56:58,080 --> 00:57:00,960
Speaker 1: we're gonna see if but we don't get that high

1208
00:57:00,960 --> 00:57:02,719
Speaker 1: this year. I think it'll be a fun conversation, guys.

1209
00:57:02,760 --> 00:57:07,080
Speaker 1: We look forward to it. Thanks for having for Tony, Pauline,

1210
00:57:07,120 --> 00:57:09,319
Speaker 1: for ever, Crocker, Rom Johnshmo, thanks for joining us on

1211
00:57:09,560 --> 00:57:11,480
Speaker 1: Draft season. They remember you can find it on your

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00:57:11,480 --> 00:57:15,160
Speaker 1: favorite podcast platforms. Just search for Draft Season. We'll see

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Speaker 1: you next time, everybody. This is Draft season.