Speaker 1: Welcome back to I Do Part two.
Speaker 2: Of course, I'm one of your celebrity mentors, Bob Geinny,
Speaker 2: and I'm very excited today because I have Jonathan Rone
Speaker 2: of course from Jones season of the Golden Bachelorette, and Jonathan.
Speaker 1: I'm so excited to have you back.
Speaker 2: God, you've recently been in the news a little bit lately,
Speaker 2: right with all the stuff going on, and I know
Speaker 2: you had.
Speaker 1: I know you had a little bit.
Speaker 2: Of a little bit of you know, relationship woes recently.
Speaker 2: But before we get into any of that stuff, you know, obviously,
Speaker 2: I Do Part two is a show that's geared around
Speaker 2: people realizing that there is life after divorce, right or
Speaker 2: life after our relationship ends. And I think maybe for
Speaker 2: people who didn't watch, you know, your season of the
Speaker 2: Golden Bachelorette and things of that new sure they might
Speaker 2: not know that how you ended up on that show
Speaker 2: was that, you know, you you had a relationship that
Speaker 2: split up, that you were into in for quite some time,
Speaker 2: and you know, tell us tell us a little bit
Speaker 2: about that, about you know, what got you to the
Speaker 2: point where you had a chance to find love the
Speaker 2: second time around.
Speaker 3: Oh gosh, you know what I was. I was out there,
Speaker 3: you know, a single guy, you know, on the dating gaps,
Speaker 3: and you know, I, I guess my my my pictures
Speaker 3: attracted you know a certain I guess interest or something
Speaker 3: like that, and you know, I was, Uh, I was
Speaker 3: contacted and thought about, you know, what do you think
Speaker 3: about being on the show with the Golden Bachelorette. And
Speaker 3: it came. It came out of the blue. So I
Speaker 3: was completely blown away. And I thought about it a
Speaker 3: couple of times, and I thought about how much time
Speaker 3: I would have to take off work. Do I really
Speaker 3: want to put myself out there, so to speak like that,
Speaker 3: you know, on on national TV looking for love? Because
Speaker 3: you know I'm I'm a pretty private guy. And so
Speaker 3: that was a big up for me to consider. And
Speaker 3: I actually said no a couple of times, but then
Speaker 3: I was I looked at it as that, you know what,
Speaker 3: this is once in a lifetime opportunity. The opportunity came
Speaker 3: to me for a reason, and so I was open
Speaker 3: to explore that. And so I went through the process.
Speaker 3: I signed on, and I opened myself up to to
Speaker 3: see if I could find that that chance of love again.
Speaker 3: And what a way to do it?
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure, definitely not a little more. You know.
Speaker 2: I used to always say to people when they say,
Speaker 2: you know, did you go on all the dating apps
Speaker 2: and stuff? I said, no, I find love the old
Speaker 2: fashioned way on television shows.
Speaker 1: That's what I do.
Speaker 2: But what led you up to that? I mean, had
Speaker 2: you how long have you been married previously before you
Speaker 2: got divorced? Like what was what was your story there?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 3: Okay, So I was married in two thousand and seven,
Speaker 3: and prior to prior to meeting my my wife at
Speaker 3: the time, I was single for two years. I just
Speaker 3: needed to get out of the dating world and quit
Speaker 3: you know, falling in falling in love and in out
Speaker 3: of love and things like that. I just wanted to
Speaker 3: get myself together, get my heart together, my spirit together,
Speaker 3: just like you know, just what what are some really
Speaker 3: good characteristics to be a guy that has integrity and
Speaker 3: character and things like that to meet the woman of
Speaker 3: his dreams. And so, after two years, a friend of
Speaker 3: mine introduced me to someone and it was like love
Speaker 3: at first sight for me, and so we dated for
Speaker 3: about ten and a half months. I proposed in Jamaica
Speaker 3: and she said she said yes, and so so that
Speaker 3: was it. So we were married for gosh, close to
Speaker 3: seven years, had two kids at the time of the divorce.
Speaker 3: You know, my daughter was I think around six, my
Speaker 3: son was three, and so so that was a difficult transition.
Speaker 3: We're but we're really close family now and the kids
Speaker 3: are doing great. But after my divorce, I mean I
Speaker 3: literally I think I I got to the point where
Speaker 3: I think my heart and spirit healed and I was like,
Speaker 3: you know what, I gosh, what would it be like
Speaker 3: to eight again? You know? Yeah, yeah, And so I
Speaker 3: think that was like a year and a half or
Speaker 3: two years before I actually got on the first dating app,
Speaker 3: which was a Christian Mingo dating app, and okay, end
Speaker 3: up getting Catfish my first tryouts.
Speaker 1: No way, you did not.
Speaker 3: Actually I actually sent money to Ghana.
Speaker 1: Oh no, that's okay.
Speaker 2: Well, okay, you got to explain this to me, because
Speaker 2: I've seen the show on MTV. How did you get Catfish?
Speaker 2: You're a smart guy, clearly, you're you know, you're you're
Speaker 2: I'm sure you're you're pretty guarded with you know, your
Speaker 2: your heart and everything.
Speaker 1: I mean, how did you end up getting into that situation?
Speaker 3: Well? You know what, I I had never heard of
Speaker 3: what Catfish was before I never knew about the show
Speaker 3: or anything like that. So, you know, like I said,
Speaker 3: I went on Christian Mingo was what it was, you know,
Speaker 3: because I was thinking, you know, if I'm looking for
Speaker 3: another second chance of love, I wanted to have some
Speaker 3: core values of Christianity because I'm you know, grew up
Speaker 3: Catholic and so I that's part my faith. And so
Speaker 3: I wanted to find a woman that would, you know,
Speaker 3: have those core values. And so I was attracted to
Speaker 3: this really, really pretty picture profile and we started communicating
Speaker 3: and she was saying that she was from Ghana, she
Speaker 3: wants to come over and we can start a relationship
Speaker 3: and things like that, and so I was all in
Speaker 3: and I told the guys at work, you know, hey,
Speaker 3: I think I found someone. I kind of told them
Speaker 3: that I was on this dating app and they were
Speaker 3: just cracking up. They're like, man, you got Catfish. You're
Speaker 3: getting catfish? And I'm like, what is that? And so
Speaker 3: I checked out the show Catfish and I'm like, wow,
Speaker 3: am I getting Catfish? And so I started to read
Speaker 3: some of the signs and lo and behold, after I
Speaker 3: sent the money, I figured that I was I was Catfish.
Speaker 3: Because this person man or woman behind this behind the
Speaker 3: scene you know, was asking like, you know what what
Speaker 3: wireless service was my telephone and was starting to ask
Speaker 3: me account information, so I knew. I was like, you
Speaker 3: know what, I felt attempt.
Speaker 2: So well that's the word. Now do you mind me
Speaker 2: asking how much money did you send?
Speaker 3: It was like sixty bucks?
Speaker 1: Oh, thank god? Okay, So and Bob, here's here's the
Speaker 1: thing I had.
Speaker 3: I had did a I had did a a modeling,
Speaker 3: a cover or magazine shoot in Kansas City which I
Speaker 3: was on the cover, and I thought, you know, I
Speaker 3: would send a copy of this magazine with me on
Speaker 3: the cover over to Ghana and I shipped email, so
Speaker 3: I shipped it via mail, and so who knows where
Speaker 3: that ended up?
Speaker 2: So oh my god, you know I mean that that
Speaker 2: probably changes the way you do things now. Now you're
Speaker 2: immediately on the dating app first person, You're like, okay,
Speaker 2: we can FaceTime.
Speaker 1: Let's FaceTime right now? Right?
Speaker 3: Well, you know what, you know what after the show,
Speaker 3: after I came back from the show, I haven't I
Speaker 3: haven't even been on the dating app since I think
Speaker 3: it's yeah, yeah, how.
Speaker 2: Do you how do your kids feel about you being
Speaker 2: back in the dating world. I mean, obviously you seem
Speaker 2: like a pretty sensitive guy to me, and my guess
Speaker 2: would be that you probably And I say this as
Speaker 2: a divorced man. I say this anytime I talk to someone,
Speaker 2: whether they're thinking about going through divorce or whether they're
Speaker 2: going through it, I always say, Look, I'm just going
Speaker 2: to say this to you straight up. Divorce sucks, even
Speaker 2: if you want, even if you're the person that wants
Speaker 2: the divorce, trust me, and I tell you it sucks
Speaker 2: because there's always there's always regret, there's always heartbreak, there's
Speaker 2: always especially with children involved. I can't you know, I
Speaker 2: when I was divorced, I we didn't have children, and
Speaker 2: so I can't even imagine how the stakes are so
Speaker 2: much higher there.
Speaker 1: And it just hurts, right, I mean, no matter how
Speaker 1: you look at it, it hurts.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, there's a certain I was just thinking about
Speaker 3: that this morning. It's kind of crazy that you're asking
Speaker 3: me that, because there's a there's a certain sense of brokenness.
Speaker 3: I think as a as a father, you know, because
Speaker 3: you know when I, you know, when I when I
Speaker 3: had these these ideas of starting a family and and
Speaker 3: you know, and and and having kids. It was like,
Speaker 3: you know what I thought of us being a whole
Speaker 3: family unit, but now it's a different story. And so
Speaker 3: so being being a single father so to speak. Is
Speaker 3: that Uh every now and then and after all this
Speaker 3: healing that I went through, and I feel like, while
Speaker 3: I'm definitely back at myself now, uh, something will happen
Speaker 3: that will trigger something, and uh it triggers that brokenness
Speaker 3: or that situation, and it brings a sadness there, a
Speaker 3: certain sense of sadness. And that's that's the part that sucks.
Speaker 1: You know, Yeah, I get that. I get that totally.
Speaker 3: That's where the humility and acceptance and accepting life on
Speaker 3: life terms comes in and you just, yeah, just move forward.
Speaker 1: Man, You're such a sweetheart of a guy. Man.
Speaker 2: I I was I was happy to hear when I
Speaker 2: when I heard that you were in a relationship earlier
Speaker 2: on in the year, I was happy to hear about that.
Speaker 1: But part of me now now.
Speaker 2: Knowing that it didn't quite work out, and and you know,
Speaker 2: are you are you disappointed that you know that you
Speaker 2: missed out on some opportunities like you know, vaster and
Speaker 2: Paradise and and things of that nature that you you
Speaker 2: would have gone on to do, uh, you know, some
Speaker 2: more of this fun stuff, because I know you kind
Speaker 2: of you kind of if I'm not mistaken, you said
Speaker 2: no thanks because you were already in a relationship and
Speaker 2: that's why you didn't want to go do that other show, right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, for the Bachelor in Paradise said, I said no
Speaker 3: thanks because because I was I was broken up. You know,
Speaker 3: our relationship ended like the first of the year. Five
Speaker 3: has just not been my year. Yes, that's how That's
Speaker 3: how it started off. And so at the time that
Speaker 3: the opportunity came my way, I was still going through
Speaker 3: heartbreak and you know I felt that that, you know,
Speaker 3: being in Paradise, it just wasn't sitting well with me.
Speaker 3: And you know what is like, you know, Bob, to
Speaker 3: be honest with you, I mean, it's like, you know,
Speaker 3: I appreciate the opportunity of being asked like that, but
Speaker 3: being on the Golden Bachelorette, that opportunity was a once
Speaker 3: in a lifetime opportunity for me, and I genuinely believed
Speaker 3: that I opened my heart up to that opportunity to
Speaker 3: find love and it didn't work out that way. And
Speaker 3: so I guess I would say I would be disingenuous
Speaker 3: if I wanted to go back on the show to
Speaker 3: find love again, because I looked at the Golden bachl
Speaker 3: my one opportunity, and I found out what I needed
Speaker 3: to find out. So that was it was a great journey.
Speaker 3: It was a blessed journey. But that blurt that journey
Speaker 3: is ended, and so uh, I was just wanting to
Speaker 3: move on and move on with my life, so to speak.
Speaker 3: And I think that if I would have put myself
Speaker 3: in the Bachelor in Paradise, it would have reopened wounds,
Speaker 3: so to speak, and I I would have thrown away
Speaker 3: a lot of healing that I just went through.
Speaker 1: So no, I I appreciate that.
Speaker 2: Well, you know I, I guess it's probably the best
Speaker 2: time to tell you.
Speaker 1: Then.
Speaker 2: I was calling to tell you that we were going
Speaker 2: to ask you to be the Golden Bachelor, but it
Speaker 2: doesn't sound like you're interested. So would you ever consider that?
Speaker 2: I mean, now, let me let me just say this
Speaker 2: to you, because I I understand where you're coming from
Speaker 2: from the disingenuous part, I really do, But I want
Speaker 2: to say this so I think sometimes you know you
Speaker 2: can because you remind me a little bit and and
Speaker 2: I'm giving myself a very nice compliment here, but you
Speaker 2: remind myself a little bit of me and how I
Speaker 2: felt post divorce, and I feel like, you know, you
Speaker 2: can be you can kind of cut yourself off from
Speaker 2: additional opportunities because you think that there's the right way
Speaker 2: and the wrong way to do things.
Speaker 1: But sometimes you never know. Man, maybe second time or
Speaker 1: third times a charm, right.
Speaker 2: So I mean, if they were to call you and say, hey,
Speaker 2: we want you to be the Golden Bachelor, do you
Speaker 2: think you could evaluate that opportunity and look at it
Speaker 2: from the standpoint of Okay, the last time I did this,
Speaker 2: I was with twenty five guys meeting one woman. That
Speaker 2: one woman found her soulmate in another person, and I
Speaker 2: have to respect that. However, I did open up my heart.
Speaker 2: I did find that I was open for the opportunity
Speaker 2: for love. Maybe if I let these incredibly talented producers
Speaker 2: find twenty five women, maybe one of them might be
Speaker 2: the right person for me and might jive with me, right,
Speaker 2: Because I mean, I will say, you know, when I
Speaker 2: was the Bachelor, I did not end up proposing to
Speaker 2: any of the women on my show, but I was
Speaker 2: I love the thing that I had the opportunity to
Speaker 2: meet them, and it really made me ready for love.
Speaker 1: Like I knew after doing that show.
Speaker 2: Even though I didn't find my person on that show,
Speaker 2: I realized what I wanted in a partner and I
Speaker 2: was trying to be a little more discerning, and you know,
Speaker 2: it really kind of almost prepared me for Okay, I'm
Speaker 2: going to go through this and I'm going to find
Speaker 2: this person.
Speaker 1: So I mean, it is possible.
Speaker 2: And I always say to my wife, I say to
Speaker 2: Canyon all the time, I'm like, amen, we would have
Speaker 2: never met if we're for the Bachelor.
Speaker 1: Like granted you were in high school when I was
Speaker 1: on the show. Let's not think about it that way.
Speaker 2: Let's think about the fact that many years later, because
Speaker 2: of those experiences, lying up the way they did. I
Speaker 2: believe in the butterfly effect. You know, had I not
Speaker 2: done those certain things, I would have never met her.
Speaker 1: And that may very well be out there waiting for you.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: I mean, have you ever thought about it that way?
Speaker 1: Or are you kind of hell bent on I did
Speaker 1: it once, I'm never going to do it again.
Speaker 3: Okay, So what is what has recently happened in the
Speaker 3: past few months or so. I think that on one side,
Speaker 3: on one side of your question, I would have loved
Speaker 3: that opportunity. I think that opportunity was there for me.
Speaker 3: I was I guess I would say I was ready
Speaker 3: for that opportunity. And if I guess, you could say
Speaker 3: I was the cherry on the top of the cherry
Speaker 3: on the tree that was ripe and ready to be picked,
Speaker 3: you know. And and so I, you know, I was
Speaker 3: anticipating to see if it was gonna come my way.
Speaker 3: And you know, the the things turned out the way
Speaker 3: that they did, and so you know, that was that
Speaker 3: was my indication, you know, that that that that opportunity,
Speaker 3: that once in an lifetime opportunity to be the Golden
Speaker 3: Bachelor was either there or it wasn't meant to be.
Speaker 3: And so so the way things turned out, that just
Speaker 3: that just let me know that it wasn't it wasn't
Speaker 3: meant to be for me. And and and and that
Speaker 3: being said, I mean, on one side, it is like,
Speaker 3: you know what if it had been man, I would
Speaker 3: have I would have had a blast. Man, I would
Speaker 3: have I would have had you know, from the experience
Speaker 3: of being on the Golden Bachelorette and being familiar with uh,
Speaker 3: with the producers and the background and things like that,
Speaker 3: and just being coming of age of who I was
Speaker 3: as a guy and where I've my uh, where I've
Speaker 3: grown to be. I think I I think I would
Speaker 3: have been I would have had so much fun and
Speaker 3: I you know, I definitely would have been looking for
Speaker 3: the right person of twenty five. But now on the
Speaker 3: other side, you know that that journey is that's somebody
Speaker 3: else's journey. So I'm on a different journey, and uh,
Speaker 3: if that opportunity was out there in the future, I
Speaker 3: would say that I would probably have to do a
Speaker 3: hard pass on it, because I'm not doing a hard lunch.
Speaker 3: But but I would just say that I uh, I
Speaker 3: wouldn't be able to uh to accept.
Speaker 1: Here's the thing.
Speaker 2: I mean, twenty twenty five, like you said, was not
Speaker 2: a great starting of the year. But we can help
Speaker 2: turn this around. I mean, I don't know if you saw,
Speaker 2: but you know one of your mansion man, Gary, he's
Speaker 2: in a relationship now. That's exciting. Are you in a
Speaker 2: new relationship right now? And if not, you know, I mean,
Speaker 2: we got a lot of female listeners. I think probably
Speaker 2: ninety percent of our listenership and our viewership on this
Speaker 2: is probably female, and I happen to know that they
Speaker 2: think you are a pretty good looking dude.
Speaker 1: My man and I have a pretty strong.
Speaker 2: Indication that there are several women out there listening that
Speaker 2: would love to meet you.
Speaker 1: But you know, we got hey, we got the holidays
Speaker 1: coming up. I get it. I mean, are you in
Speaker 1: a relationship right now? Are you? Are you flying solo?
Speaker 1: And are you keeping it that way?
Speaker 3: Well, you know what, I'm glad. I'm glad that you
Speaker 3: asked me that because I kind of felt that that
Speaker 3: was that was gonna happen, you know, so, like I
Speaker 3: had said on a previous podcast, you know that I
Speaker 3: tried to do my best to you know, with the
Speaker 3: experience of you know, announcing that relationship publicly and what
Speaker 3: happened after that and just kind of guarding my private life.
Speaker 3: But uh, but I but I will say, you know,
Speaker 3: I I you know, Bob, I'll just let you know that,
Speaker 3: uh that I'm I'm a spoken I'm spoken.
Speaker 1: For Okay, all right, I like that.
Speaker 3: I'll just leave it at that. It's like, you know,
Speaker 3: it just reminds me of is like, you know, my
Speaker 3: my heart's my heart is back in a place where
Speaker 3: you know, it reminded me of a Christopher Marlowe poem
Speaker 3: goes something like, go something like it's about the passionate,
Speaker 3: the passionate shepherd to his love. He's like, come live
Speaker 3: with me and be my love, and we will all
Speaker 3: these pleasures prove that valleys, groves, hills and fields, woods
Speaker 3: or steepy mountains field or steepy mountains yield. And so
Speaker 3: that that poem just resonates with me because I'm just
Speaker 3: looking to share my life with someone that's looking to
Speaker 3: enjoy the simple things this life. It's it's not about
Speaker 3: the materialistic, it's not about the money. It's about being
Speaker 3: connected with nature and being connected with each other.
Speaker 1: And so yeah, yeah, I love it, man, I love it.
Speaker 1: I love you. I love the way you are, I
Speaker 1: love your attitude.
Speaker 2: I love You're such a kind and gentle dude, man,
Speaker 2: And I always appreciated that about you. So many of
Speaker 2: the guys from the Golden franchise I've loved getting to
Speaker 2: know over the last several years, and you know, feel
Speaker 2: like we're friends and feel like, you know, at the
Speaker 2: end of the day, it's one of those things, you know,
Speaker 2: we all have this kind of unusual bond of something
Speaker 2: that we've done.
Speaker 1: That's really weird, right that, you know. I mean it's
Speaker 1: crazy because I.
Speaker 2: Did I did it twenty years ago and it's still
Speaker 2: go in the day, which is bananas to me. But
Speaker 2: it's one of those things when you when you look
Speaker 2: at it, the experiences are pretty similar, you know, like
Speaker 2: I always like in Joe and season to the fact
Speaker 2: that you know, when I was on Trista's season, the
Speaker 2: guys we just got along great, you know, like we
Speaker 2: just we were truly buddies. And and you can see
Speaker 2: that with you all, you know, with your your crew,
Speaker 2: still being friends, still keeping in touch, and you know,
Speaker 2: and it's still root, still genuinely.
Speaker 1: Rooting for each other. And you can see that. You know.
Speaker 2: That's one of the things I love the most about
Speaker 2: all you eyes. And I just think it's pretty awesome
Speaker 2: to see. How has it been watching this season of
Speaker 2: The Golden Bachelor knowing, you know, knowing how close you
Speaker 2: were to possibly be in that guy? I mean, how
Speaker 2: interesting is it for you to watch the show unfold
Speaker 2: this year? Yeah?
Speaker 3: You know, uh, I've watched just a little bit, you know,
Speaker 3: I've watched like the premiere the opening, and then I
Speaker 3: watched I think, like the one episode and then like
Speaker 3: maybe the half of the second, you know, I you know,
Speaker 3: I just got to the point where I just gosh,
Speaker 3: like I said, man, twenty twenty five has just been
Speaker 3: a year of hard knocks, so to speak, spiritually and emotionally.
Speaker 3: And uh, one of the one of the things I
Speaker 3: needed to do for myself, for my self care was
Speaker 3: in a certain sense, kind of disassociate myself from that,
Speaker 3: you know, because you know, there was there was so
Speaker 3: much on the line with you know, gosh, is the
Speaker 3: Golden Bachelor is going to come my way? What would
Speaker 3: happen if it does? And blah blah blah, and and
Speaker 3: and thinking that I had a fan base that was
Speaker 3: supporting that, and you know, all these emotion highs and lows,
Speaker 3: and and then like you know, then when the selection
Speaker 3: was made, it was it was like it was like
Speaker 3: a gut punch, you know. So yeah, yeah, and so
Speaker 3: I had to recover. I had to recover from that,
Speaker 3: and part of and part of my recovery was, like,
Speaker 3: you know what, I I wanted to disengage myself from it.
Speaker 3: And so so I've watched a little bit of it,
Speaker 3: but I've I've kind of steered away from it not
Speaker 3: to get so caught up into it. You know, I
Speaker 3: know that you know, with the with the with with
Speaker 3: a statement that kind of made the headlines. You know,
Speaker 3: I was just you know, supporting, supporting mail. You know,
Speaker 3: if it was a mistake, you know that uh, that
Speaker 3: his apology was genuine, hopefully that it was genuine, and
Speaker 3: that it was accepted by the women as genuine, and
Speaker 3: then uh, you know that he could find find love.
Speaker 3: And so that was that was my main I think
Speaker 3: my main push for watching the show for.
Speaker 2: What I no, I get it and I and I
Speaker 2: get that disassociation part too. I think everybody, everybody reaches
Speaker 2: a point where it's kind of like, Okay, I need
Speaker 2: to take a step back, you know, I need to
Speaker 2: get my real life back in check here, and then
Speaker 2: maybe I can go back and dabble. I mean I
Speaker 2: I probably did that as well, you know at some
Speaker 2: point along the along the way, because you know, it's
Speaker 2: when you're married for a couple of years and you're
Speaker 2: still known as Bash or Bob and your kids are like, what,
Speaker 2: it's kind of weird. So sometimes it's like, you know,
Speaker 2: I need to pump the brakes on this part of
Speaker 2: my life for a minute, and I'll come back to it.
Speaker 2: So I respect that.
Speaker 3: It's almost like, you know, it's a it's a reality
Speaker 3: TV show, but it's not reality, you know, because it's
Speaker 3: in a certain sense it's not reality. And then you know,
Speaker 3: if you do find love and you're and you you
Speaker 3: have a relationship, then that becomes the reality. But then
Speaker 3: outside of that, it's like you know, when I when
Speaker 3: I go into the Dollar the you know, to the
Speaker 3: local stores here in town, and and every now and then,
Speaker 3: as time has passed, someone will say, hey, aren't weren't
Speaker 3: you the guy? Weren't you the guy on the golden
Speaker 3: on the Golden betsurette? And that feels good. Yeah, it
Speaker 3: almost it almost takes me out of my reality, so
Speaker 3: to speak, and it makes me jump back into that
Speaker 3: that work. And it's like, you know what, but I
Speaker 3: but I don't get me wrong, I do like to
Speaker 3: be uh. I like the recognition every now and then.
Speaker 3: I like the spotlight.
Speaker 2: I think I think anybody who says they don't, I mean,
Speaker 2: there's only one guy and this is God's honest truth,
Speaker 2: one human being. I say guy because I'll go guy,
Speaker 2: because I don't know the women as well from the
Speaker 2: different seasons.
Speaker 1: But one guy that I've ever met.
Speaker 2: In the history of this franchise, and I've been around
Speaker 2: since the first season of the Bacherette and the fourth
Speaker 2: season of The Bachelor, only one that I can say
Speaker 2: genuinely does not want any recognition, genuinely.
Speaker 1: Skirts away from it. And that's Trista's husband, Ryan Sutter.
Speaker 2: Ryan is one of the few guys and if you
Speaker 2: meet him, you'll you'll see this.
Speaker 1: He's he's not like Anti. It's just he doesn't need it.
Speaker 2: And the rest of us kind of feed off of
Speaker 2: it a little bit, like I love like my wife
Speaker 2: will go does it ever get.
Speaker 1: Old for you? And I'm like, no, everyone's always so nice.
Speaker 1: I love it. You know, it's fun, it's it's engaging,
Speaker 1: it keeps me, you know.
Speaker 2: But it's like, you know, Ryan doesn't need it, like
Speaker 2: Trista and I will go to events with Ryan and
Speaker 2: my wife and the two.
Speaker 1: Of them will go off and watch us walk.
Speaker 2: The red carpet and do our thing, and and it's funny,
Speaker 2: you know, so I get it. It's like it's like,
Speaker 2: you know, and who knows, maybe I was going to
Speaker 2: ask you two questions about this the person you're seeing,
Speaker 2: and obviously we're gonna keep that kind of low key.
Speaker 2: Do you think the two of you have a lot
Speaker 2: of similarities from personality perspective? Is she even more private
Speaker 2: than you? Is she more out there than you? More
Speaker 2: personality like what is what is the vibe there? Oh?
Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely more definitely more private. And it's like, you
Speaker 3: know what, as you know, and she has she has
Speaker 3: such a wonderful heart. It's like, you know what she
Speaker 3: she looked and considered she put in consideration of you know,
Speaker 3: you know, I'm still associated with the show. I've still
Speaker 3: got like fourteen fifteen thous or gosh, fifteen thousand followers,
Speaker 3: like you said that are mostly women, and so there's yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: so she has to she's dealt with that, you know,
Speaker 3: and uh and the anxiety that she's gotten from that,
Speaker 3: and so her heart went out to you know, previous
Speaker 3: you know, my previous relationship. You know that that the
Speaker 3: anxiety that she probably went through. And and I never
Speaker 3: really looked at it from that perspective because I'm like,
Speaker 3: I was enjoying the limelight. I enjoyed like putting myself
Speaker 3: out there. But she, uh, she made it. She made
Speaker 3: me look at it this way. Well what is yeah,
Speaker 3: what if the shoes were on the other foot and
Speaker 3: she was She's got fifteen thousand guys that are messenger
Speaker 3: telling her, you know, how hot she looks and things
Speaker 3: like that, How would I feel? And I never thought
Speaker 3: of it that way? And so, uh so we have
Speaker 3: the mutual respect and understanding about that, and uh yeah,
Speaker 3: that's a really really core value that we do have
Speaker 3: that with each other.
Speaker 1: No, that's nice.
Speaker 2: I mean, at the end of the day, that's one
Speaker 2: of those things you kind of got to have some
Speaker 2: type of agreement and understanding, you know, like there definitely
Speaker 2: is additional pressures there, there's no question you know.
Speaker 1: So I definitely I understand that.
Speaker 3: It's one of these things that I've learned it even
Speaker 3: in my golden years. Is sixty two boundaries, Yeah, considered
Speaker 3: boundaries and how important boundaries are. And that's a boundary
Speaker 3: you know when a woman, when a woman opens her
Speaker 3: heart up to you and wants to open up more
Speaker 3: to you, and you got to know what the boundaries are.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well that's nice. Yeah, it's nice to be respectful
Speaker 2: of that. I mean, you know, so that's that's obviously
Speaker 2: something that people need to take more seriously. Let's get
Speaker 2: into a couple of just lighthearted questions because I know
Speaker 2: you've been around a little bit.
Speaker 1: Now, you've dated a lot.
Speaker 2: You know, I'd like to hear what your thoughts are
Speaker 2: on this. So you know, obviously, people as we get older,
Speaker 2: I'm fifty four, you're sixty two. People as we get older,
Speaker 2: things shift, right, things get a little bit different for
Speaker 2: us after a certain age. What are some things that
Speaker 2: you think in your experience of dating? Obviously, I think
Speaker 2: boundaries is one of them that that should be more important,
Speaker 2: right and and and recognizing those and respecting those. What
Speaker 2: are some things after the age of fifty while dating
Speaker 2: that you think people should lighten up a little bit on,
Speaker 2: Like are there any things that you encountered where you
Speaker 2: were just like what are you doing? You know, like
Speaker 2: let it go or or anything like that that maybe
Speaker 2: kind of struck you as after a certain age, we
Speaker 2: should probably kind of chalk that one up.
Speaker 1: Anything anything out there that makes you think like that.
Speaker 3: Gosh, you know what I think I think maybe the
Speaker 3: intentionality I think, you know, I think if you if
Speaker 3: you if you want to go into a relationship or
Speaker 3: going to the dating world, know what your intentions are?
Speaker 3: Are you looking for are you looking to date? Are
Speaker 3: you looking to date around? You know, and that person,
Speaker 3: that other person needs to know that if they're open,
Speaker 3: if they're open for that, then that kind of leads
Speaker 3: to lightheartedness.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 3: But then there's the intentionality is like, you know what,
Speaker 3: are you looking to get married? That changes the whole
Speaker 3: that changes the whole script of things, you know, And
Speaker 3: so like I was thinking about intentionality the other day.
Speaker 3: I don't even know why I think about Sometimes I
Speaker 3: think about metaphors. They helped me like put things in perspective.
Speaker 3: I was thinking intentionality as far as like getting married
Speaker 3: or finding someone to marry is almost like, you know,
Speaker 3: when you book a plane somewhere the most the most
Speaker 3: romantic destination you want to go to. Are you going
Speaker 3: to book direct are you gonna are you gonna have
Speaker 3: connecting flights for me? For me? Intentionality, if you're looking
Speaker 3: to find that one person, it's almost like booking a
Speaker 3: direct flight. You know what you know, you know point A,
Speaker 3: you know point B. So I'm at the point now
Speaker 3: that at sixty two with you know, with with dating
Speaker 3: before married and then getting divorced, and then dating after divorce,
Speaker 3: and then the relationships after the show. I'm not looking
Speaker 3: for connecting flights. I'm not looking for baggage. I'm not
Speaker 3: looking to see if I'm going to lose any luggage
Speaker 3: in the transition. I'm looking for a direct a direct.
Speaker 1: Flight, direct flight. Yeah, you're going point A to point B.
Speaker 1: I like that, I mean, and that's true.
Speaker 2: You know, I've often said a lot about like with
Speaker 2: the Golden Franchise one of the things, like for example,
Speaker 2: with UH with Gary and Teres for example, where I
Speaker 2: thought they kind of you know, missed on it was I.
Speaker 1: Thought, man, you know why?
Speaker 2: And here again, I mean, it's obviously something that's important
Speaker 2: to you too, Like it sounds like you do want
Speaker 2: to be married again, or you you at least want
Speaker 2: to have that that committed companionship with someone, you know.
Speaker 2: For them, I was like, they got grandkids, you know,
Speaker 2: in different places, Like it's gonna be really hard to
Speaker 2: get married and leave your grandkids. Like you know, I
Speaker 2: guess every situation is different, and everybody's different with what
Speaker 2: they need of a relationship, and you know, those things
Speaker 2: have to be weighed and measured, and you have to
Speaker 2: think about them and like you said, they have to
Speaker 2: be respected. When you hear people say things like like
Speaker 2: kind of superfluous things like oh, you know, I would
Speaker 2: not date a guy who's under six foot and I
Speaker 2: will not date a guy who's you know, over seventy.
Speaker 2: You know, do you think that kind of stuff. Isn't
Speaker 2: that getting kind of ridiculous at this point? Or do
Speaker 2: you think that it's one of those things where love
Speaker 2: is love and if you find it, you find it
Speaker 2: and you're lucky no matter how it's packaged.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that. I think it is pretty ridiculous
Speaker 3: if you put those kind of like measures on yourself,
Speaker 3: because yeah, you may be looking, you may be cutting
Speaker 3: out the great opportunity to meet the best person in
Speaker 3: your life, you know. Yeah, And like you said, love love,
Speaker 3: love is love and love love knows. I mean, once
Speaker 3: once Cupid draws back, that arrow man knee shoots, just
Speaker 3: like you know what, you don't know what hits you,
Speaker 3: and you you might be looking for the specific person height, age,
Speaker 3: hair color, and then all of a sudden someone comes
Speaker 3: out of the blue and you're like, what the what
Speaker 3: the hell happened?
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, sound think that's what happened to you. You
Speaker 2: were you were pretty much bound to termined. Twenty twenty
Speaker 2: five was going to be a disaster. Oh and now
Speaker 2: you've kind of already started that turnaround process.
Speaker 1: And it sounds like finding someone special. And you know,
Speaker 1: I'm sure you know with the age your kids.
Speaker 2: Are at too. Now, I've kind of I'm a pretty
Speaker 2: good math guy. So I'm guessing there what late teens.
Speaker 3: Probably my my daughter, My daughter is seventeen, she's a
Speaker 3: senior in high school now, and yeah, she and her
Speaker 3: team are killing it on the volleyball court. They're thirty
Speaker 3: six and so far this year on the feat, you
Speaker 3: haven't even lost one set.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 3: My son is thirteen, he's going to be fourteen here
Speaker 3: next month, and he's in the seventh grade. So yeah,
Speaker 3: they are growing and and yeah, so it's like you
Speaker 3: know what, you know, I've had my fair shake at
Speaker 3: the relationships, you know, And you know, Bob, it's like,
Speaker 3: you know what I've always, I've always I don't want
Speaker 3: to say I'm naive at love, but it's like you
Speaker 3: know what I I just when I fall in love,
Speaker 3: I fall hard and I fall fast. And so you know,
Speaker 3: what's what's happening now is that we're in our time.
Speaker 3: I have someone in my life that's saying, you know what,
Speaker 3: slow down? You know?
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, and you had your kids a little later too,
Speaker 2: Like I mean you had your kids sounding like forty
Speaker 2: five and forty eight, forty five and forty So I.
Speaker 3: Have my daughter when I was forty six forty six.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, so I had you know, my first child.
Speaker 2: You know, we have our first child when I was
Speaker 2: forty eight forty eight, and then my second when we
Speaker 2: were fifty. So, I mean, you're kind of in a weird,
Speaker 2: a different spot from a dating divorce guy who's technically
Speaker 2: golden right, because most of the goldens, I guess would
Speaker 2: have probably the majority if they if they've got kids,
Speaker 2: they are probably married with kids and their grandpa's You're
Speaker 2: not right. You got kids in high school, you got
Speaker 2: younger kids still, So does that factor in when you're dating?
Speaker 2: Like do you how how soon? How soon do you
Speaker 2: tell the story of your divorce? How soon do you
Speaker 2: bring up the kids? When do they get to meet
Speaker 2: the kids?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 2: How I mean, is there is there some hard fast
Speaker 2: rules for you on that stuff?
Speaker 3: Uh? Like I said, with the intentionality all that, all
Speaker 3: that kind of came out in the beginning conversations. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: you know, you know exactly who you are, who I am,
Speaker 3: what's going on in your life. And then just like
Speaker 3: you know, then you have the then you have the
Speaker 3: choice of whether you want to continue to go on
Speaker 3: and go on with that or not. And so uh
Speaker 3: so yeah, so uh so there's continuity there and uh
Speaker 3: and so, like it was kind of funny though, like
Speaker 3: when the show is like you know when when uh,
Speaker 3: you know, being Golden and uh and it was, and
Speaker 3: people had found out that I had younger kids. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I was just cracking up with some of the comments
Speaker 3: because they were thinking that my kids were like, you know,
Speaker 3: they're like, well, who's going to want to date a
Speaker 3: guy that's got you know, they're going to take care
Speaker 3: of his kids, like like their infants or toddlers. I'm like,
Speaker 3: you know what, you know, my my daughter's in high school,
Speaker 3: my son's going to be in high school the next day.
Speaker 3: You know what, I'm pretty much close to being an
Speaker 3: empty mester. I mean I'm like basically basically five years away,
Speaker 3: and so meeting someone with the intentionality of like knowing
Speaker 3: that Hey, I'm looking at a five year window basically
Speaker 3: of you know, getting my kids through school when they're
Speaker 3: off and doing their own things. Like you know what,
Speaker 3: if we've already built a five year relationship and I'm
Speaker 3: ready to spread my wings and relocate somewhere, then we've
Speaker 3: already got a good foundation for that beginning to happen.
Speaker 1: Yeah. No, it makes sense to me. I get it.
Speaker 2: And I was thinking about that because I mean, not
Speaker 2: that I'm playing on, you know, getting divorced, but I
Speaker 2: would be that guy, right, I'd be you know, when
Speaker 2: I'm sixty two. I mean, geez, when I'm sixty two,
Speaker 2: that would be what eight years for me. Grayson would
Speaker 2: be fourteen, you know, Blake would be twelve, so be
Speaker 2: right in that same you know, Wheelhouse, I guess a
Speaker 2: little bit.
Speaker 1: Younger for you than what you've got.
Speaker 2: But yeah, well, I mean at the end of the day,
Speaker 2: I would have to imagine that a lot of the
Speaker 2: uh relationship qualities that that you're looking for, you know,
Speaker 2: I would imagine you're looking for someone with some empathy,
Speaker 2: You're looking for someone with a big heart, someone who
Speaker 2: you know is willing to allow you to be yourself,
Speaker 2: but also isn't afraid to let you know what they
Speaker 2: need from you. And it sounds like she's done that
Speaker 2: and you're perfectly capable and happy with uh, with the
Speaker 2: way things are going. So for that, I'm I'm so
Speaker 2: excited to hear. I mean, you're such a great guy,
Speaker 2: and I love seeing you happy, buddy, And you can
Speaker 2: tell that you've found someone who is making you happy,
Speaker 2: so you know, good for you.
Speaker 3: And here's the thing too, about with the with the
Speaker 3: intentionality and kind of knowing what we both are looking for,
Speaker 3: it kind of spares me in a sense that of
Speaker 3: things if if we find out that maybe it's not
Speaker 3: meant to be and we're but we've got this opportunity
Speaker 3: to be friends. What happens, though, is that what has
Speaker 3: happened in my previous relationships is that jumping in fast
Speaker 3: and falling out fast is really really destroys my heart
Speaker 3: and spirit this last relationship, man, I mean it, it really,
Speaker 3: it really really hurt, and and so it gives me
Speaker 3: the opportunity to say, you know, i'd look back and say,
Speaker 3: you know what, if I don't want to feel that
Speaker 3: kind of that kind of pain again, then uh, yeah,
Speaker 3: maybe I do need to take it slow. When I
Speaker 3: find that person again, you know, what are those boundaries
Speaker 3: and what are those intentions and things like that, because
Speaker 3: if if we find out, you know, after getting to
Speaker 3: know each other and and kind of knowing what we're
Speaker 3: walking into and what we both want. But if it
Speaker 3: doesn't work out, least we know that we can walk
Speaker 3: away friends and I won't feel like I'm falling off
Speaker 3: the cliffs somewhere with right.
Speaker 1: You know, yeah, I get that.
Speaker 2: I mean that that's kind of part of it too,
Speaker 2: Like I always think about that with people you know
Speaker 2: that are dating, that are single with with children. You know,
Speaker 2: you never want to take your kids down that path
Speaker 2: too often either, Right, So it's like, exactly, God bid
Speaker 2: you keep introducing them to everybody that you think is
Speaker 2: gonna be the next great thing, and they and that
Speaker 2: person's gone, and now that your kids are like, you
Speaker 2: know what's going on. You know, I'm sure it's confusing. So,
Speaker 2: you know, good for you on being a little more
Speaker 2: protective of that. You know, I think it's hard when
Speaker 2: you're I mean, because I get it. You know, you
Speaker 2: fall in love and you think this is it, this
Speaker 2: is the greatest thing in the world, and then now
Speaker 2: he probably be a little bit of time. You have
Speaker 2: that retrospect or you can look back and you're like, Okay,
Speaker 2: I can see why this didn't work right, and I'm
Speaker 2: gonna change this moving forward. I'm gonna do something different
Speaker 2: this next time around. And you know, so, I think, well,
Speaker 2: one thing I think this is kind of great too,
Speaker 2: is now that you and Gary are both dating.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, you guys rolling into Detroit. We'll
Speaker 1: grab canyon, we'll all go out on double date. We'll
Speaker 1: go triple date, triple date. What do you say, right? Yeah?
Speaker 2: When are you guys swinging through the detown anytime soon?
Speaker 2: The motor city needs you, buddy.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, Well you know I've never been to Detroit.
Speaker 1: Oh buddy, that's a loss.
Speaker 2: Well I will say this, if you haven't been able
Speaker 2: to get here before about the middle of November, wait
Speaker 2: till spring.
Speaker 1: The winners are brutal.
Speaker 2: But how about this, because I do think you're someone
Speaker 2: who would you strike me as someone who would.
Speaker 1: Give very good advice. Do you have any parting.
Speaker 2: Words, you know, any anything that you could say to
Speaker 2: people out there who you know, I think are going
Speaker 2: through divorce or going through a relationship breakup and who
Speaker 2: are you know, maybe feeling a little helpless right now,
Speaker 2: or maybe feeling a little bit defeated, you know, anything
Speaker 2: that you could share with them, because I mean, you
Speaker 2: even said one of the things you said that I
Speaker 2: didn't really touch on, but I heard it, and I
Speaker 2: don't want you to think I didn't, but I heard
Speaker 2: you say, you know, you were beginning to wonder if there.
Speaker 1: Was something wrong with you, and maybe you know you weren't.
Speaker 1: Are you know, not lovable?
Speaker 2: Not feeling you know, I get why people feel that
Speaker 2: when they're going through those hard times, and I've definitely
Speaker 2: been there myself.
Speaker 1: But any advice that you have.
Speaker 2: Now that you're where you're at right now emotionally and
Speaker 2: spiritually and everything else that you could give people while
Speaker 2: they're going through a dark time.
Speaker 3: Like that, Yeah, I tell you it's the advice I
Speaker 3: would give is that you know what you know? Uh,
Speaker 3: I understand that that love is not for the faint
Speaker 3: at heart. You know, it's a it's a wonderful feeling
Speaker 3: to fall in love. It's a wonderful feeling to be
Speaker 3: in love, but when you when it happens, when it
Speaker 3: when when things end suddenly or they they just stop.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 3: It hurts, and it's a human emotion, and it's like,
Speaker 3: you know what, it's an emotion to uh, to embrace,
Speaker 3: it's an emotion to feel, you know, and uh, as
Speaker 3: difficult as it is, you know, you know, if you
Speaker 3: get to the point where you know you're you know, isolating,
Speaker 3: you know, reach out to one of your closest friends
Speaker 3: that you feel that you can confide in, that you
Speaker 3: can say whatever you need to say to that person
Speaker 3: and and trust that they're not going to repeat anything,
Speaker 3: but that you are able to get something out to someone,
Speaker 3: That you can get something out of your heart to
Speaker 3: share with someone, and so, uh that's part of the
Speaker 3: healing process. And so uh, you definitely need to take
Speaker 3: time for yourself. For me, I'm a pretty spiritual guy,
Speaker 3: and so you know, I relied on a lot of
Speaker 3: a prayer and meditation and then when I when I
Speaker 3: do get isolated, I try to get out of the
Speaker 3: house or I go to the gym. It's tough to
Speaker 3: even it's tough to even want to go into the
Speaker 3: gym to work out when you're feeling like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, well because you feel like everybody's yeah, happier
Speaker 2: than you and looking at you sideways, it's like, what's
Speaker 2: wrong with that dude?
Speaker 1: You know or whatever? I get it. Yeah, I've been there.
Speaker 3: But once you once you start taking those steps on
Speaker 3: the cardio machine or you start lifting those weights that
Speaker 3: resistant exercise, you get those kind of like endorphins going
Speaker 3: inside of you and you start feeling a little physical
Speaker 3: strength back. You know, because you've probably been laying around,
Speaker 3: you probably haven't been eating eating, and so you're probably
Speaker 3: physically weak. And so when you start putting nutrition back
Speaker 3: in your body and you start working out and getting
Speaker 3: out in a little bit, your strengthen your body and
Speaker 3: your mind and your soul. And then just and just
Speaker 3: take your time, you know, don't try to rush back
Speaker 3: into things. You know. It's like, you know, you can't
Speaker 3: rush being happy. You know, uh R want the gratification
Speaker 3: of instant happiness, but the happiness is a result is
Speaker 3: a byproduct of doing estimable things.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: I know that when I felt low and broken hearted
Speaker 3: and and you know, I felt like my self esteem
Speaker 3: was just really really low. And a good friend of
Speaker 3: mine told me is that, you know what, when you're
Speaker 3: going through stuff like that, do esteamable things, whether It's
Speaker 3: as simple as you know, what if you've if you've
Speaker 3: just been letting your dishes pile up in the sink
Speaker 3: because you don't have the energy or spirit to wash
Speaker 3: your dishes. Go wash your dishes. Yeah, go clean the sink,
Speaker 3: Go wash your car. Go. I love to vacuum.
Speaker 1: Vacuuming is way, That's what I do every day. It's
Speaker 1: my favorite.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 3: I love the vacuum.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's knew I liked you. I'm a big vacuum guy.
Speaker 3: You know what I think, you know, like what you
Speaker 3: said earlier, I think you know you and I are
Speaker 3: I think like a kindred spirits. It's like almost like
Speaker 3: you know, we're like spitting image of image of mirrors
Speaker 3: of each other. You know.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, if I'm a buddy, I've never been
Speaker 2: better looking, then thank you for that. You're a handsome man, brother.
Speaker 2: I'll take it. No, I'm just I'm making life, But no,
Speaker 2: thank you. I I definitely think that. I mean a
Speaker 2: lot of the things you've said today and in your
Speaker 2: past interviews too, when I've seen him pop up, I mean,
Speaker 2: they resonate. You know, I've I think we've all been there.
Speaker 2: People hate to admit it. That they've been there. But
Speaker 2: you know, I was fortunate enough to find some great
Speaker 2: people to talk to, you know, I mean I went
Speaker 2: to therapy. You know, I wasn't afraid to lean on that.
Speaker 2: And it wasn't a bad word for me. In fact,
Speaker 2: it helped me quite a bit to you know. I
Speaker 2: used to jokingly say, my mom and I just took
Speaker 2: a little trip with my mom this past weekend. I
Speaker 2: told her, I said, you know what they say, mom,
Speaker 2: if it isn't one thing, it's your mother. And she
Speaker 2: just starts laughing, you know, like just getting just kid.
Speaker 2: But it was funny because you know, I had such
Speaker 2: a great childhood growing up, and I had you know,
Speaker 2: so part of me was like, you know, well, gosh,
Speaker 2: why am I not able to find a successful relationship?
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: And I think a lot of it was based on
Speaker 2: my expectation and needing to find the right person who
Speaker 2: was willing to let me be me but was also
Speaker 2: willing to call me out, call me out when I
Speaker 2: needed it, and uh and you know, and and I
Speaker 2: think I've found that. And it's like, you know, and
Speaker 2: it's one of those things that sometimes it takes some
Speaker 2: of us longer than others, right. So I mean from
Speaker 2: that perspective, as long as you're never going to stop
Speaker 2: looking for whatever will complete you in whatever way you
Speaker 2: need to be completed, I think that's that's part of
Speaker 2: the process too. And I love to hear that you're
Speaker 2: you're doing that, and I love that you found someone
Speaker 2: that you know is filling your cup. You know, so
Speaker 2: good for you, my friend. Nothing, nothing can make me
Speaker 2: happier than to see you happy.
Speaker 3: And Bob, check this out. There's there's something new that
Speaker 3: that I was introduced to that I that I never
Speaker 3: knew in any of my previous relationships. The five stages
Speaker 3: of love. Are you familiar with those?
Speaker 1: No? I know the five stages of grief. I don't
Speaker 1: know the five stages of love.
Speaker 3: This is good, Okay, So the five stages of love,
Speaker 3: if I can remember them correctly. Okay, So the first stages,
Speaker 3: you know, the obvious one. It's like you meet someone's
Speaker 3: tacular and you're like heads over heels over each other
Speaker 3: and everything is lovey dovey and all this other stuff,
Speaker 3: holding hands, kissing and whatever the case may be.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 3: Step two is the uh Step two is the is
Speaker 3: the critical stage that I found out that uh, that
Speaker 3: a lot of people get stuck in and can't get
Speaker 3: out of. And then that's where a lot of great
Speaker 3: relationships probably end. It's the uh, it's the stage where
Speaker 3: you know, you're starting to really get to know that
Speaker 3: person and some of those important questions that need to
Speaker 3: be asked. Once they're asked, either you put up your
Speaker 3: walls of defensiveness and you walk away, or you get
Speaker 3: get into little arguments or whatever and you can't get
Speaker 3: past stage two. Yeah, so that's where a lot of
Speaker 3: people get stuck and uh. And then the third stage
Speaker 3: is the third stage is that you know, uh, you know,
Speaker 3: you pretty much got to handle You got out of
Speaker 3: stage two, everything is great. Then stage four is like,
Speaker 3: you know what, you can really imagine your life with
Speaker 3: this person. You start doing things where you're actually building
Speaker 3: your life with that person. You you understand who that
Speaker 3: person is. And then stage five is that that's that's
Speaker 3: that's the honeymoon stage basically right there is that you
Speaker 3: are you are going to spend the rest of your
Speaker 3: life with that person. Stage five. One of the things
Speaker 3: that I one of the things that I remember when
Speaker 3: I was after going through the divorce, I mean, I
Speaker 3: was like sitting in the car by myself, just broken hearted.
Speaker 3: And I was in in downtown Omaha and I saw
Speaker 3: walking down the street this couple. I think they must
Speaker 3: must have been in their nineties. I mean, but they
Speaker 3: were in great shape walking down the street. But they
Speaker 3: were walking hand in hand, and I was thinking, as
Speaker 3: old as they are, they're still walking hand in hand.
Speaker 3: So there obviously have been in stage five for a
Speaker 3: long time. They got past stage two. So I would
Speaker 3: say to anyone that's maybe going through something right now,
Speaker 3: think of it. Look at it as stage too. This
Speaker 3: is this is a difficult stage that if you really
Speaker 3: care about that person, you really think that you want
Speaker 3: to spend more time and maybe you're time with that person,
Speaker 3: you got to get out of stage two. Answer difficult questions, humble,
Speaker 3: humble yourself, and expose yourself and be really really vulnerable.
Speaker 1: No, I love that man. You speaking of being vulnerable,
Speaker 1: I mean, thank you for sharing.
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, this is stuff that I know
Speaker 2: isn't easy to talk about all the time, and so
Speaker 2: I really appreciate you being on the pod with us.
Speaker 2: I really appreciate you sharing that and sharing your feelings
Speaker 2: and your experiences. You know, a lot of people relate
Speaker 2: to you, man, and and I think whether whether it's.
Speaker 1: You know, because you're you're a sweet and kind person,
Speaker 1: or whether you put it out there or whatever it
Speaker 1: might be.
Speaker 2: You know, there's a lot of people that aren't deserving
Speaker 2: of the attention they get, and I always thought that
Speaker 2: you were, and I think that you are and U
Speaker 2: and I appreciate you. So I'm glad that you were
Speaker 2: willing to come on the show and talk about this
Speaker 2: and be vulnerable and be open about it and share
Speaker 2: where you're at with things.
Speaker 1: I think.
Speaker 2: I think I'm not the only one who's sitting here
Speaker 2: really happy for how things are shaping up for your
Speaker 2: twenty twenty five as you roll into twenty twenty six,
Speaker 2: given that it started like a disaster.
Speaker 1: So I'm really happy to hear about the rebound.
Speaker 3: Well, man, it's good to be back on the show
Speaker 3: with you. It's good to see your face and your smile.
Speaker 3: And you're dimp on man, you know what, you know,
Speaker 3: you got one hell of a dimple too.
Speaker 1: My brother, Oh, I know, we got Boddy.
Speaker 2: I'm telling you, man, if we got to figure out
Speaker 2: the top part of this, but otherwise we're twins.
Speaker 1: Just shave it.
Speaker 3: Just shave it off. You'll enjoy it.
Speaker 1: Oh no, I kind of. I'm pretty fortunate right now.
Speaker 2: I was thinking about the other day when my buddies like,
Speaker 2: I know you color your hair. I said, I swear
Speaker 2: to you, I've never colored my hair. He's like, you're
Speaker 2: fifty four, you have no grades. I'm like, oh, buddy,
Speaker 2: I've got grays. I just got really thick hair. You
Speaker 2: s aren't seeing them yet. Trust you get close enough.
Speaker 2: But thank you, buddy. I love you being on the show.
Speaker 2: I'm happy for your happiness. I hope we can connect
Speaker 2: sometime soon.
Speaker 3: Well, Bob, you know what, it's good to see. It's
Speaker 3: good to see you. I love I love seeing the
Speaker 3: images of you with your family and your kids. It's like,
Speaker 3: you know what, it's like, you know when I when
Speaker 3: I see that, you know, when I see you, it's like,
Speaker 3: you know, I see it's like, you know what. I
Speaker 3: love that. I love seeing your happiness with your family.
Speaker 3: And so just keep it up, my brother.
Speaker 1: Thank you, brother.
Speaker 2: The same to you, Jonathan, Jonathan rowd everybody, thank you
Speaker 2: so much for joining us, buddy, and for everybody else
Speaker 2: out there.
Speaker 1: I mean, let us know, you know, if you're ready to.
Speaker 2: Date again, you need some help Davigt navigating your dating landscape.
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