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Speaker 1: Happy Thursday. We have an amazing show for everybody today.

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Speaker 1: What do we have personal? Indeed, we do a lot

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Speaker 1: of big stories to update you on. There are some

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Speaker 1: things about Ukraine that we need to correct the record

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Speaker 1: on from the mainstream media. We also have a little

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Speaker 1: fake news and what does not according to the powers

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Speaker 1: that be, absolutely unbelievable. Also some updates for you out

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Speaker 1: of Canada. Continues, I mean, the news that comes out

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Speaker 1: there just continues to be completely insane. The latest thread

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Speaker 1: who contributed money through what is it called Gibsen goes Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and you really stirred up a firestorm on this one,

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Speaker 1: kind of accidentally, Sagar. I'm at the center of the storm.

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you all about it. All of that. Also,

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Speaker 1: a lot about our current politics. Also got some new

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Speaker 1: going on at CNN. I'm calling it for a complete

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Speaker 1: shutdown and we really can figure this out. Sager also

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Speaker 1: very excited to talk to Bob Kutner today. He's got

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Speaker 1: a piece out about the supply chain and how we

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Speaker 1: manufacturing capacity overseas in general into China in particular, but

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Speaker 1: we wanted to start with the very latest out of Ukraine.

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Speaker 1: So you will recall that we were told by some

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Speaker 1: members of our mainstream press and being fed by the

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Speaker 1: Biden administration that Russia was going to invade Ukraine yesterday. Yeah, yesterday,

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Speaker 1: February sixteenth. Interesting didn't pan out. Okay, that didn't happen.

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Speaker 1: That's not to say that they will never invade Ukraine,

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Speaker 1: or that the danger has diminished or any of those things.

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Speaker 1: But you know, you once think that maybe there'd be

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Speaker 1: a momentary like reflection of you know, we were fed

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Speaker 1: some bad information. This didn't all pan out. Of course,

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Speaker 1: you're not going to see any of that. President Biden

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Speaker 1: did speak on Tuesday, so the day before the supposed

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Speaker 1: what he had to say. We are not seeking direct

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Speaker 1: confrontation with Russia, though I've been clear that if Russia

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Speaker 1: targets Americans in Ukraine, we will respond forcefully. If Russia

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Speaker 1: against threats in cyberspace. Yeah, that's I mean certainly something

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Speaker 1: what does that mean? This is something Ristol where's we

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Speaker 1: escalation ladder on cyber Yeah, what is it? What is

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Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know if the Sony hack, for example,

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Speaker 1: And to me, that's just more escalatory rhetoric from the

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Speaker 1: In terms of cyber attacks, this was the other thing

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Speaker 1: But again, the vaunted invasion did not actually happen on Wednesday.

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Speaker 1: I mean, that is just you couldn't make it up.

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Speaker 1: And this is the part where CNN and all these

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Speaker 1: You can't just report these things flat out with no context.

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Speaker 1: And that's the problem that we have. The situation is

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Speaker 1: how to do well. So, yeah, these are some of

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Speaker 1: the people that we're supporting. And NBC just puts it

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Speaker 1: up there like this heartwarming story of the tough gramma

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Speaker 1: who's getting all trained out looking back to the bad question. Look,

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Speaker 1: go Grandma, it's not my country. But it's one of

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Speaker 1: those things where when it's our dollars and our media

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Speaker 1: who's holding this stuff up and painting a picture that

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Speaker 1: they're not telling you the full story. This is the

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Speaker 1: same thing about happened in Syria, which is also question

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Speaker 1: this do the rest of the Ukrainians want those people

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Speaker 1: to be the ones who are in defense. Ask the

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Speaker 1: Ukrainian government how they feel about those neo Nazi groups.

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Speaker 1: They don't like them. There's the juress of the Ukrainian people.

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Speaker 1: I bet they also don't even want to be associated

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Speaker 1: with them. We had the same problem in Syria. They're like, oh,

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Speaker 1: well they're fighting, isis okay? Well what else do they believe?

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Speaker 1: And you know, it's like, well, what else are they

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Speaker 1: happening here on the ground. These are again questions which

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Speaker 1: you have no insight into whatsoever, which a one minute

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Speaker 1: SoundBite from NBC News which paints it all as black

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Speaker 1: and lie. But you knows US funding and training and

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Speaker 1: equipping radical extremists that never comes back to bite us, right, Zaga,

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Speaker 1: That never happens, of course, right, And that's you know,

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Speaker 1: it's like and then oh, we don't even think about that,

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Speaker 1: and how that might look in the future. Here's a

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Speaker 1: scary thing. What if those people do win? And also

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Speaker 1: you think the Russians would have a propaganda field day

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Speaker 1: to be like, oh, we're fighting Nazism backed by the

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Speaker 1: United States, right, you know, given what they call it,

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Speaker 1: the Great Patriotic War, World War two and all that

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Speaker 1: has so much salience in their own country. But at

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Speaker 1: the same time, and I want to tie this to

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Speaker 1: the US intelligence because this is another story we've been

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Speaker 1: looking at very closely, which is that there's a blog

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Speaker 1: called zero Hedge. Now, like I don't agree with zero

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Speaker 1: hedge all the time, I actually think is or with

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Speaker 1: their views on monetary policy and all that are completely wrong.

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Speaker 1: But I believe in complete freedom of speech, especially whenever

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Speaker 1: it comes to editorializing. If he publishes something false on

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Speaker 1: this blog, then he can be sued for defamation, libel

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Speaker 1: and all that, as per the United States court system.

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Speaker 1: But the US intelligence community is doing one of the

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Speaker 1: most cowardly and insane things I've ever seen, with the

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Speaker 1: help of the mainstream media. Go ahead and put this

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Speaker 1: up there on the screen. So on Wednesday, the United

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Speaker 1: States accused the financial website zero hedge of quote spreading

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Speaker 1: Russian propaganda. Now, let's be very clear here. The US

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Speaker 1: intelligence officials briefed a bunch of reporters in the mainstream

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Speaker 1: press on background and accused zero hedge of publishing Russian

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Speaker 1: misinformation and propaganda. To be clear here, the US intelligence

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Speaker 1: community are not identified as to exactly which agency they

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Speaker 1: do not point to any specific article that zero hedge

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Speaker 1: actually did. They are not putting their names to this

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Speaker 1: accusation against the zero hedge website, and they are simply

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Speaker 1: warning and accusing it anonymously. Through laundering of the mainstream press.

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Speaker 1: The press does nothing except print US accuses financial website

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Speaker 1: is spreading Russian propaganda. They cover their bases by being like,

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Speaker 1: zero hedge denies it. But once you have that out there,

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Speaker 1: you are now branded on as literally a disinformation outlet,

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Speaker 1: especially in this climate, especially in this climate, and just

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Speaker 1: emphasize this very clearly. So the US brands zero hedge

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Speaker 1: Russian propaganda. They don't give you any evidence, They don't

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Speaker 1: tell you which agency has assessed this to what extent?

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Speaker 1: Was it a not bad was it a post? Was

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Speaker 1: it a tweet? Also, who is the US Intelligence Committee

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Speaker 1: even frankly, to litigate any of that? But that's another question.

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Speaker 1: And then what happens. Let's put this up there on

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Speaker 1: the screen, which is that when you go on Twitter,

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Speaker 1: I've pointed this out and you click on a zero

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Speaker 1: hedge dot com link, Twitter is placing a warning on

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Speaker 1: all links on zero hedge and gives no reason as

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Speaker 1: to why, simply saying that some of the content on

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Speaker 1: that website may violate Twitter's terms of service. Now here's

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Speaker 1: the thing. If it's not on Twitter, why do you care.

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Speaker 1: You have no business litigating that. Like I said, if

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Speaker 1: zero hedge publishes something which is false, defamatory, or libels,

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Speaker 1: you can sue them in a US court and you

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Speaker 1: can prevail. However, we have strong free press convictions and

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Speaker 1: defenses in the United States, specifically for this reason. But

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Speaker 1: you are seeing the fusion here of the government, the

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Speaker 1: US intelligence community with no evidence can simply accuse you

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Speaker 1: of being a Russian propaganda outlet, and then Twitter, a

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Speaker 1: private company, just making it so that you are getting

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Speaker 1: warnings and labels placed on your links. Now. To be

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Speaker 1: fair to zero head or to be fair, Twitter has

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Speaker 1: placed this warning intermittently on zero hedge links for some time.

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Speaker 1: But zero hedge was actually the account Crystal, which was

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Speaker 1: banned for floating the lab leak theory in February of

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty and was kept off of a platform for

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Speaker 1: six or plus months. So this is already an outlet

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Speaker 1: which has published a theory which by the way, looks

522
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Speaker 1: predominantly to be true. Two years later was taken off

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Speaker 1: into platform for this specific reason and now being directly

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Speaker 1: targeted by the US intelligence community and essentially being censored

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Speaker 1: by a private outlet. Like I said, I don't agree

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Speaker 1: with the guy all the time whenever it comes to

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Speaker 1: monetary policy. But that is far beyond the point Mullivan.

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Speaker 1: I'm not being like I'm accusing zero Heads of spreading

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Speaker 1: financial misinformation. I'm not saying that. I think he has

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Speaker 1: a right to say and to publish whatever he wants

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Speaker 1: on his blog. This should be seen as part of

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Speaker 1: a larger propaganda effort that we've been tracking around these

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Speaker 1: potential Russian hostilities in Ukraine, potential Russian invasion of Ukraine.

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Speaker 1: Because the line consistently from mainstream press, from lots of

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Speaker 1: blue checks on Twitter, and directly from the administration is hey,

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Speaker 1: if you question us, we don't know what your motives are. Right,

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Speaker 1: If you question us, maybe it's because you're a useful idiot.

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Speaker 1: Maybe it's because you're a Kremlin propagandist. I mean, that's

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Speaker 1: what we saw. That That was the insinuation in that

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Speaker 1: extraordinary exchange we played you with Ned Price, which was like, listen,

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Speaker 1: we don't have to give you evidence and you just

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Speaker 1: have to take it and accept it. And if you don't,

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure that you're a patriot. I'm not sure

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Speaker 1: that you really, you know, are are standing for American values.

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Speaker 1: Some of the things that Zero Hodge was publishing with

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Speaker 1: regards to Russia and Ukraine were pretty similar to some

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Speaker 1: of the things we've been saying on this show, right,

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Speaker 1: questioning the media narrative about just how imminent this invasion was,

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Speaker 1: questioning the media narrative in terms of, you know, failing

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Speaker 1: to help people understand what Russia's position in all of

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Speaker 1: this was. And so well, that's why this is, you know,

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Speaker 1: this is very troubling stuff. And like you said, the

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Speaker 1: fusion between intelligence agencies what they're and then their use

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Speaker 1: of the mainstream press, and then the you know, the

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Speaker 1: Biden administration, and then you have these tech giants who

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Speaker 1: are only happy to serve power, and we're going to

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Speaker 1: show you in a moment the way that they also

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Speaker 1: apply their rules extraordinarily selectively. Yeah, this is this is

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Speaker 1: deeply troubling, especially in a climate where you know, people

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Speaker 1: are routinely smeared. It's this McCarthyite smearing, red baiting, smearing

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Speaker 1: of oh, you're really doing the duty you know, doing

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Speaker 1: the bidding of putin your Putin's puppet, all of that stuff.

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Speaker 1: Now that this label has been given to zero Hedge,

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Speaker 1: anything they publish or print from now on, there's a

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Speaker 1: whole group of people who will just automatically dismiss it,

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Speaker 1: even though on some things they have been right when

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Speaker 1: the mainstream media has been wrong. And it's also really noteworthy,

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Speaker 1: and this is why we put these two things together.

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Speaker 1: Is NBC News going to face any repercussions or spread

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Speaker 1: neo Nazi propaganda for they're nero Nazi propaganda? No, they're not.

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Speaker 1: They're not going to be censored. They're not going to

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Speaker 1: have a label put on them on Twitter or anything

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Speaker 1: like that. They're not going to be you know, called

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Speaker 1: Nazi propaganda and you know none of it, Crystal. They

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Speaker 1: shouldn't be censored. Are we calling for that here? No,

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00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:23,760
Speaker 1: of course, we are doing what you're supposed to do.

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00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:28,000
Speaker 1: They publish something dumb without context and got caught and

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Speaker 1: we are exposing it here on our show. You choose

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Speaker 1: what you would like to consume and in the long run,

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00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:36,360
Speaker 1: who you think is more trustworthy if you choose them, Well,

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Speaker 1: I don't really get it, but that's on you. And

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Speaker 1: this is the thing. In a free society, you cannot

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Speaker 1: allow this fusion of state and tech in order to

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Speaker 1: censor whatever they deem misinformation. That is straight up police state. Look,

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Speaker 1: I am as big of a critic as there is

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Speaker 1: when it comes to the fusion of woke ideology and

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00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:58,600
Speaker 1: big tech, and that's a whole other conversation. But when

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00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:02,520
Speaker 1: it comes to the actual United States government accusing you

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00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:07,400
Speaker 1: of private website and outlet of spreading propaganda with no evidence,

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00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:11,120
Speaker 1: with no citations, and anonymously laundered through the press, and

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00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:14,760
Speaker 1: then actions being taken against them again with no specific

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Speaker 1: violation of a term of service that is even specified,

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Speaker 1: that's straight up. I mean, I don't know what else

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Speaker 1: that is a nineteen eighty four Orwellian type behavior. And

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Speaker 1: you're right, Look, our show is doing very well right now.

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Speaker 1: I'm not gonna lie. It's great on YouTube Spotify. All

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Speaker 1: of that, All it takes is one person in the

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Speaker 1: US intelligence community to leak that Breaking Points, which as

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Speaker 1: of this morning is a top political podcast on Spotify

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Speaker 1: in the United States, is spreading Russian disinformation. Boom, We're

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Speaker 1: dead dead. They don't have to offer any other since

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Speaker 1: they don't have to like back it up with anything,

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Speaker 1: they can just say it. Some lackey in the mainstream

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Speaker 1: press will undoubtedly, we'll print ittly printed, They'll include are

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Speaker 1: like denial, but nobody will care. And there you go.

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Speaker 1: And then what's YouTube gonna do and be like, oh

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Speaker 1: my god, well we can't be complicit in spreading Russian insformation. Boom,

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Speaker 1: You're done. I mean, this is you think I'm exaggerating.

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Speaker 1: It can happen this quickly. We set up our business

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Speaker 1: to make sure that it's financially at least we could

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Speaker 1: be okay. But that's not the point. The point is

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Speaker 1: is that all of us out here are vulnerable to

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Speaker 1: actions like this, and didn't we used to understand this

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Speaker 1: when the Bush administration accused the New York Times, and

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Speaker 1: when George W. Bush looked the editor of the New

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Speaker 1: York Times in the face and said, by publishing this

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Speaker 1: top secret NSA program, you will be responsible for deaths.

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Speaker 1: And he was like, the editors were like, I'm sorry,

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Speaker 1: We're going to publish it. Yeah, he did the right thing.

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Speaker 1: That is what it used to look like. You look

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Speaker 1: the Intel community and the people in the face and

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Speaker 1: you say you know what, I got the info. Screw you,

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Speaker 1: I'm publishing. It's up to the public to litigate and

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Speaker 1: to decide. And this is just something where with the

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Speaker 1: fusion of now the intelligence community and the sympathetic media

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Speaker 1: because of Russia Gate, because of a lot of different reasons.

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Speaker 1: You know, as long as you're on the right side

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Speaker 1: of information, you're fine. Yes, then you know, we are

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Speaker 1: seeing one of the most dangerous and censorious environments in

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Speaker 1: a very long time. I truly despair when I see this,

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Speaker 1: and I know a lot of people out there, Oh,

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Speaker 1: you're defending zero hedge, just like with thessanje It's not

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Speaker 1: about zero Hedge. It's not even about him. It's about

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Speaker 1: the precedent and the principles that are being set in

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Speaker 1: an economy and in a world where millions of people

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Speaker 1: now more so than the mainstream media, get their news

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Speaker 1: on the Internet, and in that we can't allow the

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Speaker 1: US intelligence community to litigate this. We simply can't, or

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Speaker 1: we have long ago sailed off into you know, into

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Speaker 1: a new age and a new land. Yeah. Well, speaking

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Speaker 1: of authoritarianism, We've got some updates for our neighbors up north,

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Speaker 1: and they are deeply troubled our neighbors to the north.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what's happening in Canada. It's deeply sad.

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Speaker 1: Let's go ahead and put this up there on the screen.

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Speaker 1: We'll start with the news, which is that the Ottawa

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Speaker 1: police are warning occupiers quote leave now as the protesters

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Speaker 1: dig in. This is after Canadian Prime Minister has gone

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Speaker 1: ahead and Dustin Trudeau has declared a state of emergency,

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Speaker 1: has suspended civil liberties whenever it comes to government actions

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Speaker 1: that are taken and crystal before we even get into

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Speaker 1: the media doxing of private donors who were gave money

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Speaker 1: through a website called gifsend Go, which was then hacked

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Speaker 1: and had their donor list leak, and now we have

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Speaker 1: media organizations contacting them. You were telling me this morning

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Speaker 1: about some of the financial warfare that the Canadian government

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Speaker 1: is undertaking. Could you out like that for people. I

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00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:34,319
Speaker 1: want people to truly understand what's happening here. This is

658
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Speaker 1: some of the most insane shit I have ever read.

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Speaker 1: This comes from the CBC. They say banks are moving

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Speaker 1: to freeze accounts linked to convoy protests. Here's what you

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Speaker 1: need to know. So this comes under the Emergencies Act,

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Speaker 1: which of course, we explained to you on Tuesday, is

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Speaker 1: an extraordinary maneuver to invoke the Emergencies Act. Trudeau's the

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Speaker 1: first prime minister ever to do so. They considered it

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Speaker 1: for COVID, decided that was too extreme, but to deal

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Speaker 1: with a protest, they have now decided to invoke the

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Speaker 1: most extreme and sweeping powers of the Canadian government. And

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Speaker 1: as part of that, they are asking banks to not

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Speaker 1: just freeze the accounts of people who are supporting these

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Speaker 1: protests or either giving money or just participating in the protests.

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Speaker 1: They're saying credit cards should be canceled, that they should

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Speaker 1: be completely debanked. So your mortgage could be canceled. If

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Speaker 1: you're applying for a mortgage, you're certainly not going to

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Speaker 1: get one, even things like with your accounts frozen, you know,

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Speaker 1: things like alimon and your child support payments may not

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Speaker 1: go out. And these banks are also completely exempt from

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Speaker 1: any liability if they target someone and completely screw them

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Speaker 1: financially who wasn't even involved in the protests. So banks

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00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:57,759
Speaker 1: are given carte blanche to dbank, freeze the accounts and

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Speaker 1: make them completely so that they don't can't have any

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Speaker 1: interaction with the financial banking system. Yeah, welcome to China.

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00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:07,520
Speaker 1: This called social credit, sus. This is what it is,

683
00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:13,799
Speaker 1: totally totally insane and so and they're being pressured also

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Speaker 1: to do this. So not only do they not face

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Speaker 1: liability if they screw it up, not that they should

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Speaker 1: be doing this to anybody, but they're being pressured to

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Speaker 1: cut off the financial support because Canada has decided. The

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00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:28,560
Speaker 1: minute that they messed with US trade man, the hammer

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00:37:28,719 --> 00:37:31,600
Speaker 1: came down. And these are tactics the likes of which

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Speaker 1: I have never ever seen. Now, I will say, Sager,

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00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:38,239
Speaker 1: I looked up because I was curious some of the

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Speaker 1: polling around how Canadians feel about all of this, and

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Speaker 1: specifically with regards to the military being brought in to

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Speaker 1: deal with the protests. Sixty four percent, surprise, agreed with

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Speaker 1: bringing in the military. So I'm not going to say

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Speaker 1: that there isn't significant support in Canada for some of

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Speaker 1: these actions. But think about what this means. They are

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Speaker 1: designating even people who are small dollar donors as terrorists.

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Speaker 1: We're about to talk about the way these people have

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Speaker 1: been docked, some of their businesses have been harassed and

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00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:14,719
Speaker 1: been forced to shut down, all because they sent a

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Speaker 1: little bit of money or showed up to a protest

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Speaker 1: of a cause that they believe in, and again their

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Speaker 1: cause is not particularly my cause. It doesn't matter what

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Speaker 1: they're asking for. Their core demands are totally a legitimate

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Speaker 1: line of inquiry and protest and debate. And I do

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Speaker 1: not care where you are on the political spectrum. We

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Speaker 1: have got to stand against the idea of using the military,

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Speaker 1: making arrest, invoking something as sweeping as the Emergencies Act,

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Speaker 1: and then freezing people out of the banking system, altogether

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Speaker 1: being ruining their lives. This truly, truly seeking to destroy

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Speaker 1: their lives. It's so insane. I can't even believe that

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Speaker 1: this is real. Yeah, and look, if you're Canadian, I

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Speaker 1: mean I would just employ to think about the principle

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Speaker 1: and the precedent that is being said, because from our perspective,

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Speaker 1: this is totally nuts. I want to give major props

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Speaker 1: here to Congresswoman Ilhan Omar who spoke out yesterday about

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Speaker 1: the media effort to dos some of these small dollar donors.

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Speaker 1: And I previewed some of this, but this is something

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Speaker 1: I found myself the center of a storm somehow, which

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Speaker 1: is that the give sen Goo, the Christian fundraising site,

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Speaker 1: had its website or its donor less hacked as to

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Speaker 1: who gave money to the Trucker Freedom Convoy fundraising effort.

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Speaker 1: Some of these people now are being doxed and contacted

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Speaker 1: by the media who are using that hacked email list

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00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:41,759
Speaker 1: to reach out to them. And one of them was

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00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:45,360
Speaker 1: actually a Canadian based outlet who published the name of

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Speaker 1: a woman and her business who is now being harassed

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Speaker 1: because she gave two hundred and fifty dollars to this

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Speaker 1: protest in Canada, and ilhan Omar, to her eternal credit,

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Speaker 1: spoke out for us. Let's put this up there on

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Speaker 1: the screen. She says, quote, I fail to see why

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Speaker 1: any journalist felt the need to report on a shop

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Speaker 1: owner making such an insignificant donation rather than to get

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Speaker 1: them harassed. It is unconscionable and journalists need to do better.

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Speaker 1: She is one correct, and it takes a lot of

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Speaker 1: courage for her to say what she did, because she

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Speaker 1: I bet you she's getting a lot of pushback. And

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Speaker 1: you know I can say this because I found myself

740
00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:26,880
Speaker 1: too now in the center of the storm. I was

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00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:30,080
Speaker 1: minding my own business yesterday and I got a message

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Speaker 1: from a person who watches this show. This meant person

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Speaker 1: donated forty dollars to the Freedom Convoy. Forty dollars okay,

744
00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:43,440
Speaker 1: just happened to support the cost an American citizen exercising

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00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:46,600
Speaker 1: his right. It's his money. The donor list gets hacked,

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Speaker 1: and what does he show me? He shows me an

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Speaker 1: email from the Washington Post who is contacting him. Let's

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00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:54,520
Speaker 1: put this up there on the screen. I have the

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Speaker 1: exact email here, which she provided to me. Quote. My

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Speaker 1: name is and I'm not going to give you the

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Speaker 1: name of the reporter because this person asked me to

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Speaker 1: take out identifying information. I am reporter at the Washington Post.

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00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:06,080
Speaker 1: I am writing about leaked data on gibsen Go contributions

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Speaker 1: to the Trucker Convoy in Canada. Your name and email

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00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:13,400
Speaker 1: addresses are associated with a forty dollars contribution. Could you

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00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:16,279
Speaker 1: please tell me if this matches your records and either

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00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:19,759
Speaker 1: call or reply to this email to share what motivated

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Speaker 1: you to contribute to this campaign. Now, crystial, imagine you

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00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:25,560
Speaker 1: are an average citizen who is sitting out there. You

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00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:29,279
Speaker 1: privately donated money, your name has now been leaked, and

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00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:32,680
Speaker 1: now a Washington Post journalist is contacting you. Let's say

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00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:35,960
Speaker 1: that you work in an a political environment. You're terrified

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Speaker 1: your name could be published over a forty dollars donation

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Speaker 1: to a cause, a private political cause that you believe in.

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Speaker 1: You could lose your job, you could be socially ostracized.

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Speaker 1: Your kids, parents, friends, or whatever may not want to

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00:41:48,719 --> 00:41:50,880
Speaker 1: talk to you anymore. You didn't ask for this. It

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Speaker 1: is a free country. And to watch the response to

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Speaker 1: this has been unbelievable to me. So the tweet went

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Speaker 1: very viral, which I frankly did not expect. And here's

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Speaker 1: what ends up happening. I find myself at the center

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Speaker 1: of a political storm because almost every journalist in America

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Speaker 1: decides to start attacking me, saying, oh, you've never heard

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00:42:10,239 --> 00:42:15,000
Speaker 1: of reporting before. This is called reporting, okay. Number One,

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Speaker 1: if Fox News was using a hacked donor list of

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Speaker 1: Black Lives Matter donors and contacting them, we all know

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Speaker 1: what all of you would say. And by the way,

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Speaker 1: I would agree with that. I would absolutely agree with that,

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Speaker 1: which is, I don't think private donation lists, especially small

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Speaker 1: dollar donors like this, should be targeted, harassed, or have

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Speaker 1: their names exposed in any way. Number two, here's this

782
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Speaker 1: what happened to Twitter's hacked materials policy, Crystal, WikiLeaks, and

783
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Speaker 1: all of that was deemed state propaganda. Oh, we can

784
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:48,319
Speaker 1: never report on hacked materials. They're very comfortable reporting hacked

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Speaker 1: materials and exposing the names of once again normal average citizens.

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Speaker 1: You want to count after a Crystal and I that's

787
00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:57,040
Speaker 1: all part of the game, man, I'm used to it.

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00:42:57,239 --> 00:42:59,000
Speaker 1: I have a show here. I'm very lucky. I'll be

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00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:01,120
Speaker 1: able to talk to it. If you're a public figure

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00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:04,319
Speaker 1: or a billionaire or whatever, it's all good. You're in

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00:43:04,360 --> 00:43:07,080
Speaker 1: the square, you're in the debate. But a normal person

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00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:11,280
Speaker 1: out there forty dollars. The sociopathic response to this Crystal

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00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:15,080
Speaker 1: has been saga, you're an idiot. There's nothing wrong with

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Speaker 1: what's happening here whatsoever. No, no, no no, no. In this

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Speaker 1: country in the year twenty twenty two, to have your

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00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:24,120
Speaker 1: private political activity exposed as a normal citizen, that is

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00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:26,640
Speaker 1: an act of harassment. You could lose your job. And

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00:43:26,719 --> 00:43:29,680
Speaker 1: if you don't understand that, you need to ask yourself

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00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:33,520
Speaker 1: why is trust in media solo? I'm repulsed by the

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00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:36,279
Speaker 1: response to so much of this and the lack of

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Speaker 1: empathy for a normal person living their lives who is

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00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:42,560
Speaker 1: getting carassed and doxed. I mean, I wanted to send

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Speaker 1: a small modicum of support. It's a free country. And

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Speaker 1: you know, here's something too, this individual gave with the

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Speaker 1: expectation of anonymity. Yes, you know, if you're giving a

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Speaker 1: political contribution. Yeah, you know the rules, you know, the

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00:43:55,239 --> 00:43:57,520
Speaker 1: dollar amount threshold above which your name is going to

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00:43:57,560 --> 00:44:01,200
Speaker 1: be publicly available. In all of that, these individuals gave

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Speaker 1: with the spectation of anonymity. And also it's very clear

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Speaker 1: you know, what is already happening to some of the

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Speaker 1: people who have been publicized, not just their name put

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00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:14,160
Speaker 1: on the list, but then their name's publicized and you know,

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Speaker 1: written up about in news articles. So it's a very

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Speaker 1: real concern. And I also think it just exposes how

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Speaker 1: sad the press is that, like, you know, there are

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Speaker 1: huge consequential, power based stories involved with this protest, and

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Speaker 1: you're going to spend your time chasing down some forty

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Speaker 1: dollars donor and harassing them about why they gave to

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Speaker 1: this cause and what motivated them and all of that.

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Speaker 1: And we don't know whether you know, this person's name

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Speaker 1: would end up in a story with their motivations exposed

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Speaker 1: and subject them to all of that story that they

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Speaker 1: never wanted and never asked for. So there's such an

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Speaker 1: instinct because it's so easy to write these punching down

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00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:58,239
Speaker 1: stories about the bad individual citizens and how evil they

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Speaker 1: are and how wrong they are. There's no const consists

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00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:01,920
Speaker 1: because these people they don't have the money for like

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Speaker 1: lawyers to fight back and protect themselves and all of this.

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00:45:05,680 --> 00:45:07,799
Speaker 1: Whereas if your go if you're punching up, you know,

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00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:09,840
Speaker 1: this is part of why the Jeffrey Epstein thing was

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Speaker 1: never exposed. Which, by the way, we're going to give

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Speaker 1: you an it's coming this weekend. Guys. We had so

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00:45:14,120 --> 00:45:17,359
Speaker 1: much the lot of pride. Yeah, we've got Prince Andrew thing.

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Speaker 1: I think it's going to drop tomorrow anyway. But to

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Speaker 1: do that, oh, that takes that takes some courage. That

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Speaker 1: might take going against your social circle. That certainly takes

837
00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:29,360
Speaker 1: going against somebody who has power and influence and money

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00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:33,640
Speaker 1: to fight back. So they choose this cheap and easy approach.

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Speaker 1: And what ends up happening then is you know, the

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00:45:36,440 --> 00:45:39,920
Speaker 1: dynamic that plays out across partisan media where it's all

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00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:43,200
Speaker 1: about demonizing the individual citizens who happen to have an

842
00:45:43,200 --> 00:45:47,000
Speaker 1: ideology that your core audience doesn't agree with. Everybody is

843
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:49,759
Speaker 1: trained to hate one another and you end up with

844
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:53,160
Speaker 1: a really ugly society. So this is like a microcosm

845
00:45:53,560 --> 00:45:57,160
Speaker 1: of how they've gone so wrong. What are you doing

846
00:45:57,320 --> 00:46:01,640
Speaker 1: spending your time on chasing after these small dollar donors

847
00:46:01,640 --> 00:46:04,000
Speaker 1: instead of asking what are the banks going to do here?

848
00:46:04,040 --> 00:46:06,600
Speaker 1: What's true Doe gonna do here? What are these big

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00:46:06,680 --> 00:46:08,520
Speaker 1: tech giants going to do here? And then on the

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Speaker 1: Twitter thing, I mean, you know, I'm not the first

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Speaker 1: to point this out. The whole reason that the Hunter

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00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:19,080
Speaker 1: Biden laptop story was totally censored and your post's account

853
00:46:19,120 --> 00:46:21,920
Speaker 1: was suspended, I mean, they lost their minds over you

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00:46:21,960 --> 00:46:24,560
Speaker 1: can't report now, you can't link to, you can't tweet

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00:46:24,600 --> 00:46:27,719
Speaker 1: about the Hunter Biden laptop stuff was because it was

856
00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:31,720
Speaker 1: hacked materials. People are straight up. I mean, the Hunter

857
00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:34,480
Speaker 1: Biden thing wasn't even really hacked materials because it was

858
00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:37,680
Speaker 1: on his laptop whatever. But I mean we should have

859
00:46:37,680 --> 00:46:40,520
Speaker 1: been able to talk about it nonetheless. But people are

860
00:46:40,520 --> 00:46:44,920
Speaker 1: directly posting the link to an outing names on Twitter

861
00:46:45,120 --> 00:46:50,520
Speaker 1: based on clearly hacked materials, and Twitter has done nothing.

862
00:46:50,520 --> 00:46:53,000
Speaker 1: And that's the President's son, not say he got more

863
00:46:53,040 --> 00:46:57,320
Speaker 1: protection than normal people out there working stiffs. Yes, you know,

864
00:46:57,400 --> 00:47:02,040
Speaker 1: he's a multimillionaire, exactly, exactly right. So at Twitter hasn't

865
00:47:02,080 --> 00:47:05,880
Speaker 1: responded to requests for comment about why there's such a blatant,

866
00:47:06,040 --> 00:47:10,200
Speaker 1: incredible double standard here. Their policy says something like, there's

867
00:47:10,520 --> 00:47:14,440
Speaker 1: there's an exemption if it's hacked materials that you know,

868
00:47:14,520 --> 00:47:17,760
Speaker 1: we're journalistically reported on and have to do with holding

869
00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:21,080
Speaker 1: power to account or something like that. Is this holding

870
00:47:21,160 --> 00:47:24,320
Speaker 1: power to account? These people who gave like twenty bucks

871
00:47:24,640 --> 00:47:28,520
Speaker 1: to a cause? Is that holding power to account? It's disgusting,

872
00:47:28,719 --> 00:47:33,480
Speaker 1: It's really blatantly dishonest, it's blatantly biased. And this is

873
00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:37,640
Speaker 1: why we are always pushing back against the idea that

874
00:47:37,680 --> 00:47:40,360
Speaker 1: these companies should have the ability to pick and choose

875
00:47:40,360 --> 00:47:42,480
Speaker 1: how they handle these situations one hundred percent. Well, obviously

876
00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:44,680
Speaker 1: we need principles and all that, but just you know,

877
00:47:45,160 --> 00:47:46,880
Speaker 1: if I may, off chance that any member of the

878
00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:50,200
Speaker 1: mainstream press is listening, ask yourself why nobody trusts you.

879
00:47:50,320 --> 00:47:52,720
Speaker 1: Ask yourself why this show is doing so much better

880
00:47:53,320 --> 00:47:56,080
Speaker 1: than you. And here's the reason. You know, normal people

881
00:47:56,320 --> 00:47:59,759
Speaker 1: are fed up and they're terrified they're being targeted for

882
00:47:59,800 --> 00:48:04,160
Speaker 1: their private political beliefs. They're being demonized. You know, these

883
00:48:04,200 --> 00:48:06,840
Speaker 1: banks in Canada. Last time I checked, we have the

884
00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:09,600
Speaker 1: same banks. Why don't you go ask JP Morgan and

885
00:48:09,600 --> 00:48:11,360
Speaker 1: all those other people. Are you complying with this policy

886
00:48:11,640 --> 00:48:13,839
Speaker 1: as United State's government give you any instruction in order

887
00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:15,960
Speaker 1: to do so? That would require, as you said, actually

888
00:48:15,960 --> 00:48:18,000
Speaker 1: going and facing the billionaires, who, by the way, sponsor

889
00:48:18,040 --> 00:48:20,200
Speaker 1: a lot of these people who are also in the media.

890
00:48:20,280 --> 00:48:23,240
Speaker 1: So look, I'm always going to stand up for these people.

891
00:48:23,560 --> 00:48:25,480
Speaker 1: I know you are as well. Any of these activists

892
00:48:25,480 --> 00:48:27,720
Speaker 1: who are out there. I mean so not even activists,

893
00:48:27,719 --> 00:48:29,600
Speaker 1: normal citizens who just felt like they wanted to give

894
00:48:29,680 --> 00:48:32,960
Speaker 1: money to a cause that they believe in. It's a

895
00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:36,799
Speaker 1: cause of freedom, like in terms of defending their right

896
00:48:37,080 --> 00:48:40,120
Speaker 1: to be able to privately want to engage in this

897
00:48:40,160 --> 00:48:43,120
Speaker 1: behavior and not face immense political pushback. And if you

898
00:48:43,160 --> 00:48:45,520
Speaker 1: don't get that, you're a sociopath. That's what I discovered

899
00:48:45,600 --> 00:48:47,640
Speaker 1: yesterday is many of these people associo. Oh, is it

900
00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:51,080
Speaker 1: controversial to sending money to a political cause about just like, hey,

901
00:48:51,120 --> 00:48:52,960
Speaker 1: we want to change our COVID polls. If this is

902
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:56,680
Speaker 1: not crazy, I mean it's not, this is not radical.

903
00:48:56,800 --> 00:48:59,160
Speaker 1: In fact, I mean here in DC and in states

904
00:48:59,160 --> 00:49:03,040
Speaker 1: across the country, Blue states and blue cities are rolling

905
00:49:03,120 --> 00:49:06,160
Speaker 1: back a lot of these you know, mandates and mass

906
00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:09,960
Speaker 1: requirements and all of those things, Like they're not really

907
00:49:09,960 --> 00:49:12,480
Speaker 1: demanding anything more radical than what's being done in a

908
00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:14,400
Speaker 1: lot of blue cities and blue states right now. So

909
00:49:14,640 --> 00:49:19,440
Speaker 1: it's this derangement around the trucker protest is really wild.

910
00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:22,000
Speaker 1: It truly is. I feel for the people in Canada. Okay,

911
00:49:22,080 --> 00:49:24,400
Speaker 1: let's go ahead and move on a slightly more hopeful

912
00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:26,680
Speaker 1: story from my perspective. Let's go ahead and put this

913
00:49:26,760 --> 00:49:29,640
Speaker 1: up there on the screen, which is that San Francisco

914
00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:32,520
Speaker 1: has been in the midst of a major recall around

915
00:49:32,600 --> 00:49:36,560
Speaker 1: election for three members of the school board, and on Tuesday,

916
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Speaker 1: San Francisco voters overwhelmingly supported the ouster of three of

917
00:49:42,239 --> 00:49:47,160
Speaker 1: these members. It's the first recall election in nearly forty years.

918
00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:50,680
Speaker 1: So specifically on the recall itself, I spent a lot

919
00:49:50,680 --> 00:49:53,600
Speaker 1: of time reading about this. At of the problem, Crystal

920
00:49:53,640 --> 00:49:55,640
Speaker 1: is that a lot of this stuff gets culture warrified

921
00:49:55,920 --> 00:49:58,160
Speaker 1: into the right and left wing media. And that's specifically

922
00:49:58,160 --> 00:49:59,719
Speaker 1: why I tried to read it all through the lens

923
00:49:59,760 --> 00:50:04,000
Speaker 1: of California based local both La Times and San Francisco.

924
00:50:04,360 --> 00:50:06,880
Speaker 1: So here's what happened. About a quarter of the people

925
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Speaker 1: in San Francisco ended up coming out to vote. The

926
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Speaker 1: major issue at hand had nothing to do with critical

927
00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:15,800
Speaker 1: race theory. It had to happen with this that these

928
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Speaker 1: three school members, in particular number one, had antagonized the

929
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Speaker 1: Asian American community by removing the standards test based system

930
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Speaker 1: in order to enter the most prestigious high school in

931
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Speaker 1: San Francisco, which has to do with test scores and

932
00:50:31,520 --> 00:50:35,279
Speaker 1: you know, the assumptions of equity and how apparently that's

933
00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:37,279
Speaker 1: a much better system to have a lottery one. But

934
00:50:37,360 --> 00:50:41,799
Speaker 1: the second one was this fearer and outrage over the

935
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Speaker 1: fact that San Francisco schools were closed longer than some

936
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Speaker 1: of the most in the country, and that in the

937
00:50:47,560 --> 00:50:51,320
Speaker 1: midst of that, that these three members in particular sought

938
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Speaker 1: to have a campaign to rename one third of the

939
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Speaker 1: schools in San Francisco, including a school named for Abraham Lincoln. Look,

940
00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:03,520
Speaker 1: you know one of them was Diane Feinstein. That I

941
00:51:03,560 --> 00:51:05,480
Speaker 1: actually think is kind of funny. I can't stand dying.

942
00:51:08,840 --> 00:51:11,960
Speaker 1: That's that's kind of hilarious. Yeah, I also support that

943
00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:17,960
Speaker 1: for different reasons. Reasons. It came down to this, Well,

944
00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:23,319
Speaker 1: these people normal citizens, overwhelmingly democratic in nature, many of

945
00:51:23,320 --> 00:51:25,919
Speaker 1: them Asian Americans. This was a huge show out from

946
00:51:26,120 --> 00:51:28,560
Speaker 1: the Asian Americans who came out and said, you are

947
00:51:28,600 --> 00:51:34,759
Speaker 1: focused on non critical bs like renaming schools, while my

948
00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:38,520
Speaker 1: kid has a mask strapped to his face or cannot

949
00:51:38,520 --> 00:51:41,520
Speaker 1: go to school and has to do zoom. And that

950
00:51:41,719 --> 00:51:44,480
Speaker 1: is ultimately what this was all about. So there's a

951
00:51:44,480 --> 00:51:47,200
Speaker 1: lot of culture war analysis of this. I frankly think

952
00:51:47,239 --> 00:51:50,040
Speaker 1: it just comes down to it. Woke asm is certainly

953
00:51:50,080 --> 00:51:53,239
Speaker 1: part of it. Giving the whole school school renaming, it

954
00:51:53,280 --> 00:51:56,200
Speaker 1: was COVID insanity. I think that's at the end of

955
00:51:56,239 --> 00:51:59,640
Speaker 1: the day. That is why there was this overwhelming seventy

956
00:51:59,680 --> 00:52:02,920
Speaker 1: percent vote in order to turn them in order to

957
00:52:02,960 --> 00:52:05,720
Speaker 1: recall this election, and just to show you how mainstream

958
00:52:06,080 --> 00:52:09,600
Speaker 1: the concerns over the actions of the school board, and

959
00:52:09,640 --> 00:52:13,319
Speaker 1: these three members in particular were San Francisco may or

960
00:52:13,320 --> 00:52:16,520
Speaker 1: London Breed. Yeah, she supported me, supported the rebaul because

961
00:52:16,680 --> 00:52:19,160
Speaker 1: of exactly the reasons that you're citing. That she felt,

962
00:52:19,160 --> 00:52:22,160
Speaker 1: in particular that schools were shut for way too long,

963
00:52:22,560 --> 00:52:26,520
Speaker 1: that they were focused on other superfluous issues rather than

964
00:52:26,560 --> 00:52:29,360
Speaker 1: doing the work to try to prepare to reopen schools.

965
00:52:29,680 --> 00:52:33,399
Speaker 1: And of course we've tracked here very closely that while

966
00:52:33,400 --> 00:52:37,719
Speaker 1: it was an understandable out of necessity and caution decision

967
00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:40,320
Speaker 1: at the very beginning of the pandemic, it very quickly

968
00:52:40,320 --> 00:52:43,560
Speaker 1: became clear that that policy was doing a lot more

969
00:52:43,640 --> 00:52:47,880
Speaker 1: damage to kids than ultimately it was protecting them. And

970
00:52:47,920 --> 00:52:49,719
Speaker 1: then you layer on top of that the issue with

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00:52:49,760 --> 00:52:51,399
Speaker 1: I think it's called Lowl High School. I just remember

972
00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:54,920
Speaker 1: because my son is also named Lull, where they you know,

973
00:52:55,200 --> 00:52:57,920
Speaker 1: it's a similar sort of touchy dynamic is what we've

974
00:52:57,960 --> 00:53:00,520
Speaker 1: seen in New York, where there's this kind of sense

975
00:53:00,560 --> 00:53:04,520
Speaker 1: from the Chinese American community in particular that they changed

976
00:53:04,560 --> 00:53:07,719
Speaker 1: the metrics because there were too many Asians testing into

977
00:53:07,760 --> 00:53:10,680
Speaker 1: the school, and they're like, well, this seems like bullshit,

978
00:53:10,960 --> 00:53:15,759
Speaker 1: This is unfair bullshit. So you layer those things on

979
00:53:15,800 --> 00:53:17,480
Speaker 1: top of one another, and what you get is a

980
00:53:17,520 --> 00:53:21,080
Speaker 1: picture of you know, it's the big problem for the

981
00:53:21,080 --> 00:53:23,239
Speaker 1: Democratic Party were at large. Something I'm talking about in

982
00:53:23,280 --> 00:53:27,759
Speaker 1: my monologue, like, you're focused on all this symbolic cultural

983
00:53:28,120 --> 00:53:32,239
Speaker 1: nonsense that doesn't impact people's daily lives and on the

984
00:53:32,320 --> 00:53:38,160
Speaker 1: issues that are at the core of people's concerns, healthcare, education, economics,

985
00:53:38,560 --> 00:53:41,239
Speaker 1: you're on to lunch, you're not doing anything, or in

986
00:53:41,280 --> 00:53:44,040
Speaker 1: this instance, you're actively harming us. It's not just that

987
00:53:44,080 --> 00:53:49,000
Speaker 1: you're like absent, you're actively harming us and our children

988
00:53:49,040 --> 00:53:50,799
Speaker 1: and their ability to learn in a classroom. I mean,

989
00:53:50,840 --> 00:53:53,279
Speaker 1: I can tell you as a parent the year and

990
00:53:53,520 --> 00:53:56,800
Speaker 1: a little bit that my kids were on remote learning.

991
00:53:57,080 --> 00:54:00,399
Speaker 1: It was a last year. And I'm sure my kids

992
00:54:00,440 --> 00:54:04,280
Speaker 1: are extraordinarily you know, lucky and privileged in a million years,

993
00:54:04,280 --> 00:54:06,880
Speaker 1: and they're kids who do well at school and you know,

994
00:54:07,080 --> 00:54:11,480
Speaker 1: don't have like issues learning. But my son when he

995
00:54:11,640 --> 00:54:14,439
Speaker 1: was seven and he's trying to do remote six and seven,

996
00:54:14,480 --> 00:54:17,040
Speaker 1: he's trying to do remote learning. That was impossible. That

997
00:54:17,120 --> 00:54:20,799
Speaker 1: was impossible. So I feel for these parents, and I

998
00:54:20,840 --> 00:54:24,360
Speaker 1: completely understand why they turned down and why there was

999
00:54:24,440 --> 00:54:27,800
Speaker 1: such a lopsided margin in favor of removing these people.

1000
00:54:27,760 --> 00:54:29,399
Speaker 1: I ouls have to throw And this was also from

1001
00:54:29,440 --> 00:54:33,000
Speaker 1: the local coverage. The Board of Supervisor's president who was

1002
00:54:33,239 --> 00:54:36,400
Speaker 1: backing the school board members, so they were against the recall.

1003
00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:40,400
Speaker 1: This is how they explained what was going on, and

1004
00:54:40,520 --> 00:54:42,640
Speaker 1: very much trying to paint it like this wasn't a

1005
00:54:42,680 --> 00:54:45,680
Speaker 1: local grassroots movement that this was outside forces and all

1006
00:54:45,719 --> 00:54:49,160
Speaker 1: of this. So the Board of Supervisor's president says Trump's

1007
00:54:49,200 --> 00:54:53,080
Speaker 1: election and bold prejudice brought a lot of that out.

1008
00:54:53,200 --> 00:54:55,960
Speaker 1: Even in our democratic and liberal city, there are a

1009
00:54:56,040 --> 00:54:58,840
Speaker 1: lot of people who do not want people of color

1010
00:54:58,960 --> 00:55:02,680
Speaker 1: making decisions in leadership, even though the voters said that

1011
00:55:02,880 --> 00:55:05,120
Speaker 1: is what they want. The three individuals who are were

1012
00:55:05,200 --> 00:55:07,680
Speaker 1: called happen to be people of color. Oh, by the way,

1013
00:55:07,719 --> 00:55:10,160
Speaker 1: so are six out of seven of the members of

1014
00:55:10,160 --> 00:55:13,600
Speaker 1: the school board. So to paint this racism, just entertain

1015
00:55:13,719 --> 00:55:17,400
Speaker 1: it as some like, oh, it's Trump's fault and it's racism,

1016
00:55:17,920 --> 00:55:21,319
Speaker 1: like this is why you all deserve to lose. I mean, look,

1017
00:55:21,360 --> 00:55:23,600
Speaker 1: I've said in a million times republics don't deserve to win.

1018
00:55:23,680 --> 00:55:25,480
Speaker 1: But if this is what your approach is going to be,

1019
00:55:25,480 --> 00:55:27,840
Speaker 1: you one hundred percent deserved to lose. I also forgot

1020
00:55:27,920 --> 00:55:30,359
Speaker 1: to mention this one like Allison Collins, who was one

1021
00:55:30,400 --> 00:55:32,600
Speaker 1: of the three OUCID board members, had actually said in

1022
00:55:32,600 --> 00:55:36,080
Speaker 1: the past that Asian Americans are like slaves who benefit

1023
00:55:36,120 --> 00:55:39,759
Speaker 1: from working inside the slave owner's house. So basically calling

1024
00:55:39,840 --> 00:55:43,320
Speaker 1: us all Uncle Tom's who are working doing well inside

1025
00:55:43,360 --> 00:55:46,680
Speaker 1: the system and not bucking it, not standing in solidarity.

1026
00:55:46,719 --> 00:55:48,600
Speaker 1: So Allison, you know, screw you, burn in health. I

1027
00:55:48,640 --> 00:55:50,920
Speaker 1: don't really know what else to say, because when you

1028
00:55:50,960 --> 00:55:56,720
Speaker 1: see crying racism at San Francisco voters, San Francisco voters

1029
00:55:56,880 --> 00:56:00,000
Speaker 1: probably some of the most progressive people on the planet

1030
00:56:00,320 --> 00:56:02,759
Speaker 1: or at least in the United States, and calling them

1031
00:56:02,960 --> 00:56:05,880
Speaker 1: racists for wanting their kids to go back to school,

1032
00:56:06,040 --> 00:56:08,760
Speaker 1: that's the ultimate state of this. But what actually also

1033
00:56:08,800 --> 00:56:11,799
Speaker 1: bothers me is, you know, it just shows you the

1034
00:56:11,920 --> 00:56:14,840
Speaker 1: essentialism that comes down to so much of our politics

1035
00:56:14,840 --> 00:56:17,840
Speaker 1: and which is so depressing. You know, we have to

1036
00:56:17,880 --> 00:56:21,279
Speaker 1: are fighting these titanic battles mass in school or not

1037
00:56:21,920 --> 00:56:25,360
Speaker 1: some race book, which by the way, I completely oppose.

1038
00:56:25,680 --> 00:56:29,520
Speaker 1: In school or not. We're not having fights about funding

1039
00:56:30,040 --> 00:56:35,279
Speaker 1: better curricula, you know, like should we sports funding, you know,

1040
00:56:35,680 --> 00:56:40,560
Speaker 1: after school program, actually helping some of these kids, increasing

1041
00:56:40,640 --> 00:56:44,960
Speaker 1: math and science pathways to apprenticeships. All that is off

1042
00:56:44,960 --> 00:56:48,799
Speaker 1: the table. It's a binary choice mass in school or

1043
00:56:48,840 --> 00:56:52,520
Speaker 1: not not, school better or not or school better this

1044
00:56:52,560 --> 00:56:55,759
Speaker 1: way or school better this way. That's the most depressing things.

1045
00:56:55,760 --> 00:56:58,520
Speaker 1: And that's a real regression because before the pandemic, we

1046
00:56:58,520 --> 00:57:01,000
Speaker 1: were having that conversation with the Red b D. The

1047
00:57:01,080 --> 00:57:04,040
Speaker 1: teacher strikes, that's what they were all about. I mean, yeah,

1048
00:57:04,080 --> 00:57:07,000
Speaker 1: there were local issues about like teacher pensions, but what

1049
00:57:07,040 --> 00:57:09,319
Speaker 1: that really boiled down to, and why you saw it

1050
00:57:10,160 --> 00:57:13,360
Speaker 1: those protests sweeping across a lot of different Red states,

1051
00:57:13,480 --> 00:57:15,680
Speaker 1: is because those are the states that had cut education

1052
00:57:15,800 --> 00:57:19,040
Speaker 1: funding and cut education funding, cut education funding, so they

1053
00:57:19,040 --> 00:57:21,919
Speaker 1: were pulling you know, schools where they didn't have enough

1054
00:57:21,920 --> 00:57:24,240
Speaker 1: resources to even have a five day school weekend, or

1055
00:57:24,280 --> 00:57:27,560
Speaker 1: like buying you know, supplies on them, which is routine.

1056
00:57:27,600 --> 00:57:30,080
Speaker 1: I mean, we showed you that the teachers scrambling for

1057
00:57:30,240 --> 00:57:32,720
Speaker 1: cash at the hockey game. I think I was in

1058
00:57:32,800 --> 00:57:36,680
Speaker 1: North or South Dakota. I remember the images coming out

1059
00:57:36,760 --> 00:57:40,320
Speaker 1: of textbooks that were from like thirty years ago and

1060
00:57:40,360 --> 00:57:45,120
Speaker 1: are totally worn down. I mean that conversation was really

1061
00:57:45,600 --> 00:57:49,120
Speaker 1: essential and really critical, and now that's lost in you know,

1062
00:57:49,160 --> 00:57:52,200
Speaker 1: what are effectively culture war fights. There's one other piece

1063
00:57:52,320 --> 00:57:57,040
Speaker 1: of this California story that is relevant, which is this

1064
00:57:57,080 --> 00:57:59,720
Speaker 1: is astonishing shows you what a bad place democrats are

1065
00:57:59,720 --> 00:58:02,560
Speaker 1: in now. Joe Biden, let's put these numbers up on

1066
00:58:02,560 --> 00:58:08,480
Speaker 1: the screen. Joe Biden is actually underwater in California. Now

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Speaker 1: it's narrow, forty seven percent approved, so skill forty eight

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Speaker 1: percent disapprove. Look at the numbers for Kamala this is

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Speaker 1: her home state, thirty eight percent approve and forty six

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Speaker 1: percent disapprove. Okay, guys, Democrats have lost California. Now that

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Speaker 1: doesn't mean, obviously, as we saw with Gavin USM, that

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Speaker 1: they're ready to vote for Republicans. But this is how

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Speaker 1: great the failures are and how disgusted people are with

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Speaker 1: the total lack of action and care and concern for

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Speaker 1: what their actual day to day concerns are. That even

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Speaker 1: in California, Biden is underwater. And again you notice keep

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Speaker 1: these numbers up for a second longer, you notice another

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Speaker 1: trend that we've been tracking from the very beginning. He

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Speaker 1: only has seventeen percent that approves strongly, and meanwhile he

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Speaker 1: has thirty four percent who disapprove strongly. Similar with Kamalas,

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Speaker 1: she has only fifteen teen percent that approved strongly and

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Speaker 1: thirty five percent who disapprove strongly. So even for Biden,

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Speaker 1: when you have it roughly fifty to fifty here, the

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Speaker 1: number of people who love him are dwarfed by the

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Speaker 1: number of people who absolutely hate him. It was the

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Speaker 1: polar opposite with Trump. It was just completely polarized and divided.

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Speaker 1: You had a lot of people who loved him and

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Speaker 1: a lot of people who hated him. Biden does not

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Speaker 1: have that core enthusiastic support, even in a state like California. Yeah, look,

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Speaker 1: he's numbers. It just shows you the ultimate state. They're

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Speaker 1: compleat paper tigers. They got there the luckiest people on

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Speaker 1: earth and somehow got into the Oval office. But reality

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00:59:40,280 --> 00:59:43,080
Speaker 1: is coming in quick and look, I resisted the Jimmy

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Speaker 1: Carter label for a long time, but I continued to

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Speaker 1: see a lot of parallels. And at that time there

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Speaker 1: was one former governor of California who came out and

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Speaker 1: who showed you what the next political revolution is going

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Speaker 1: to be. So I don't think it's going to be

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Speaker 1: Gavin Newsom who's coming to our rescue, though this time, guys,

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Speaker 1: probably not. I don't think it's going to be Ron

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Speaker 1: de Santis either. Perhaps that person is out there. I mean,

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Speaker 1: you have to think he's going to get a primary

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Speaker 1: Like these numbers are just way too weak for them

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Speaker 1: not to smell blood in the water for somebody to

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Speaker 1: jump in, right, I mean, the whole it's a one

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Speaker 1: party state. They've got that fake primary. I'm not talking

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Speaker 1: about California, We're talking about primary Biden in general. Yeah, look,

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Speaker 1: I hope. So we'll see the regime is strong, the

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Speaker 1: regime is weak. Maybe maybe the regime is strong. We're

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Speaker 1: going to find out. All right, got some big updates

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Speaker 1: for you on CNN that we wanted to get to.

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Speaker 1: First of all, we got some more details about how

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Speaker 1: it all went down between Cuomo and Zucker. Because these

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Speaker 1: two were thickest thieves. They were best buddies during the pandemic.

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Speaker 1: They were going for multi hour long walks together in

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Speaker 1: Central Park. So how did this all come apart to

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Speaker 1: the point of Cuomo ultimately getting fired. Let's throw this

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Speaker 1: New York Times tear sheet up on the screen. They

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Speaker 1: brought in everybody. They even brought Ben Smith back for

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Speaker 1: reporting on this. I don't know if you noticed that.

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Speaker 1: I did. So a team effort here to get to

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Speaker 1: the bottom of this one. The long and short that

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Speaker 1: says how a secret assault allegation against an anchor that

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Speaker 1: would be Cuomo, up ended CNN and Jeff Sucker, the

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Speaker 1: network's top rated hosts as president, were forced out following

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Speaker 1: ethical lapses and office romance and a letter from a

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Speaker 1: lawyer for Jane Doe. So long and short of what

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Speaker 1: is a very lengthy article is it looked like Zucker

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Speaker 1: really wanted even after, you know, things continue to come

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Speaker 1: out about Cuomo and his abusive power, and then Letitia

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Speaker 1: James's investigation reveals how he's advising his brother in ways

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Speaker 1: that had never been made public and maybe or maybe

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Speaker 1: not Zucker knew about. We don't know. At this point,

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Speaker 1: Zucker really wanted to let him off with a suspension

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Speaker 1: and bring him back. And I don't know if you

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Speaker 1: remember this. I'd kind of forgotten this, but Brian Stelter

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Speaker 1: had even reported we think Cuomo's going to be back

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Speaker 1: in January. Do you remember that, Yeah, because we were

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Speaker 1: we that's kind of what we thought. Oh, they're gonna

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Speaker 1: they're gonna tube in this, they're gonna wait for the

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Speaker 1: frenzy to dive down and then they're gonna bring him back.

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Speaker 1: But then they actually fired him, so were like, what

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Speaker 1: the hell, I can't believe they actually did it. What

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Speaker 1: happened is immediately after Zucker brings in Cuomo and says, hey,

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Speaker 1: we're going to suspend you, but you know, wink and

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Speaker 1: a nod, you're probably going to come back. They get

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Speaker 1: a letter at CNN. It's from a lawyer representing a

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Speaker 1: woman who had worked with Cuomo at ABC News years earlier,

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Speaker 1: and she alleged that he had sexually assaulted her. And

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Speaker 1: the story goes, according to her that in twenty eleven,

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Speaker 1: when she you know, was only referred to as Jane Doe,

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Speaker 1: was a temporary employee, a young temporary employee at ABC.

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Speaker 1: She was hoping for a full time job. Cuomo offers

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Speaker 1: her career advice, advites her to lunch in his office.

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Speaker 1: She shows up, there's no food there, well, red flag

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Speaker 1: right there, and then Cuomo badges her for sex and

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Speaker 1: after she declined, allegedly, according to her, he denies it.

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Speaker 1: He assaulted her and she ran out of the room.

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Speaker 1: And somehow what makes this evil and so much worse

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Speaker 1: is years later when it's coming out about Matt Lower

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Speaker 1: and Charlie Rose and all of these anchors, longtime institutions

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Speaker 1: are being brought low by their own me to scandals. Well,

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Speaker 1: she hadn't heard from Chris Cuomo in quite a while.

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Speaker 1: He reaches back out to her and says, hey, why

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Speaker 1: don't we do a nice piece for you on CNN

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Speaker 1: about the company you work for now, basically trying to

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Speaker 1: smooth the waters over so that she wouldn't come out

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Speaker 1: of the woodwork and me to him as well and

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Speaker 1: destroy his career. So apparently when this letter arrives and

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Speaker 1: with a you know, she's being represented by a well

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Speaker 1: known attorney, and they say, hey, we've got contemporaneous evidence.

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Speaker 1: And she told multiple people at the time apparently this

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Speaker 1: was the final straw where based on everything that had

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Speaker 1: been in the revealed in the investigation from Lytitia James

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Speaker 1: and the sense that Quomo hadn't been up front with

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Speaker 1: executives about what exactly was going on, and then this

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Speaker 1: comes out and they finally said, all right, we're pulling

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Speaker 1: the plug here. So that's the Cuomo piece, But we

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Speaker 1: also got some additional news about what was going on

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Speaker 1: with Zucker and Gaullist, and this first piece actually also

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Speaker 1: comes to The Times. You know, sure, the office romance, Okay,

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Speaker 1: that's a part of it, but really what was going

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Speaker 1: on is quote, CNN had skidded into third place in

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Speaker 1: cable news ratings, a key investor something we talked about here,

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Speaker 1: a lot had criticized the network's opinionated, personality driven programming.

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Speaker 1: Zucker had clashed with the top executive that's Jason Kyler,

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Speaker 1: who ultimately pulls the plug on him at CNN's parent company,

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Speaker 1: and he had made powerful enemies now out of Cuomo

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Speaker 1: and his brother because he fired them. So it's that

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Speaker 1: internal power struggle that ultimately put Zucker's career into jeopardy.

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Speaker 1: And then let's put this next piece up on the screen.

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Speaker 1: Then we find out that their own internal investigation into

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Speaker 1: what was going on with Cuoma and the advice he

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Speaker 1: was giving with his brother also uncovers wrongdoing not only

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Speaker 1: by Chris Cuomo, but by Alison Gollis and Jeff Sucker,

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Speaker 1: Allison being of course Zucker's mistress. So it turns out

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Speaker 1: while they were trying to, you know, just push this

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Speaker 1: off all on Chris Cuomo, they were also involved in

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Speaker 1: practices that they said did not meet CNN's journalistic standards.

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Speaker 1: So Alison Gollist has now also resigned. In statement, she

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Speaker 1: said WarnerMedia's statement tonight is an attempt to retality against

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Speaker 1: me and change the media narrative in the wake of

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Speaker 1: their disasters handling the last two weeks. Is deeply disappointing

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Speaker 1: that after spending the past nine years defending and upholding

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Speaker 1: Sandon's highest standards of journalistic integrity. Okay, I would be

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Speaker 1: treated this way as I leave. So that's the last

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Speaker 1: piece here. They didn't give any details about what exactly

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Speaker 1: Zucker was doing, what exactly Gollis was doing. Part of

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Speaker 1: the leaks to the press was that they were directly

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Speaker 1: advising Governor Cuomo on his COVID briefing, giving him talking

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Speaker 1: points to push back against Trump. That's part of, you know,

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Speaker 1: the leasts that have come out in the media. There's

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Speaker 1: no specifics here about what the probe found, but the

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Speaker 1: bottom line is the same dirty business that Chris Quoma

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Speaker 1: was engaged in. These two appear to Venezuela. I got

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Speaker 1: to ask you, Crystal, because you're the only one who

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Speaker 1: worked in a major network, do you have to be

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Speaker 1: like complete pretty much? Yeah, to succeed. I don't get it.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, you like cornering a woman at work, pestering

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Speaker 1: her and assaulting her at work, and then trying to

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Speaker 1: use your platform in a blatant cover up, and then

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Speaker 1: your boss is has a mistress who's his number two

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Speaker 1: and they're all engaged in this like political cabal. Yes,

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Speaker 1: I said it, uh cabal in which they're each other.

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Speaker 1: And Roger ails into that as well. That's what I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's bipartisan. I don't understand. I'm like, do you truly

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Speaker 1: have to be just like bottom of the barrel scum

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Speaker 1: in order to succeed? Well, I don't get it. And

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Speaker 1: a lot of these guys came up. I mean, this

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Speaker 1: truly was the culture among these men in media was

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Speaker 1: they just this was part of what, you know, they

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Speaker 1: thought this was fine, that this behavior which was long

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Speaker 1: standing routine within these media organizations. They just thought this

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Speaker 1: is you know, I mean, it's just it's utterly disgusting.

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Speaker 1: But these are people who oftentimes are drawn to careers

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Speaker 1: in media because they're total narcissists and egomaniacs who think

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Speaker 1: the rules do not apply to them. They get, you know,

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Speaker 1: high on their own supply. They think they're God's gift.

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Speaker 1: They think that they can get away with anything, the

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Speaker 1: rules don't apply to them, and oftentimes, for many years

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Speaker 1: they were right. So you know, I mean how many

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Speaker 1: years was lower like you know, cornering women, sleeping with

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Speaker 1: interns and open secret people knew what a sleeve's ball

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Speaker 1: guy dollars a year. Yeah, people knew that he was

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01:07:48,880 --> 01:07:51,520
Speaker 1: a total you know, a sleeve's ball, and it never

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Speaker 1: impacted him. He was fine. Cuomo. I mean, it sounds

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Speaker 1: very much like the similar behavior that his brother engaged

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Speaker 1: in as governor, at least what was alleged. Again, they

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01:08:00,840 --> 01:08:04,440
Speaker 1: all deny all of this, but at this point with

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Speaker 1: with Chris Cuomo, you'll recall there was also that uh,

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Speaker 1: that piece that was published in the New York Times

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Speaker 1: of another woman who made allegations about him, and that

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Speaker 1: he had remembered he sent that email. He'll send her

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Speaker 1: that email apologized sorry for playing grab ass with your boss,

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Speaker 1: with your boss a party when her husband was there.

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Speaker 1: It was like five pm. It's not like it was

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Speaker 1: like one one in the morning. Yeah, frat basement here.

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Speaker 1: So I mean that when he's caught engaged in that

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Speaker 1: kind of brazen behavior, it's not a surprise that there

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Speaker 1: would be other, you know, other shoes to drop here. Yeah. Look,

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Speaker 1: I really don't even know what to say. It's stunning

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Speaker 1: to me. And the most stunning part is that the

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Speaker 1: talent at CNN, remember this talent, They are outraged that

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Speaker 1: Jeff Zucker was respired. Yeah, that's what they're upset about.

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Speaker 1: They're not upset at Chris Cuomo. They are not upset

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Speaker 1: at their own boss having a mistresses his number two

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Speaker 1: and then the two of them engaging in powerful defense

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Speaker 1: of a Democratic official and tarnishing the news brand and

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Speaker 1: the value of their product. They are upset that their

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Speaker 1: corrupt boss was fired. Yeah, because he protected them. I

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Speaker 1: think they actually are upset about Chris Cuomo because he's

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Speaker 1: apparently a total asshole every Yeah, but they are very

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Speaker 1: upset about Zucker, not that he was also a slea's

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Speaker 1: ball compromising all of their journalistic integrity, but that he

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Speaker 1: got fired. That's the thing. They're having literal mental breakdowns.

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Speaker 1: That is what quote unquote the most trusted name in

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Speaker 1: news people. That's what they're mad about. Amazing. Always remember that, Crystal,

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Speaker 1: What are you taking a look at? Well, guys, there's

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Speaker 1: a new round of pulling from the Dams, who are

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Speaker 1: desperately and hopelessly probably trying to maintain their grip on

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Speaker 1: the House. According to Politico, the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee

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Speaker 1: or d Triple C, has commission polling that finds Democrats

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Speaker 1: currently at a four point disadvantage to Republicans in battleground

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Speaker 1: districts that's on the generic ballot. To be honest with you,

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Speaker 1: I actually would have thought those numbers was started off

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Speaker 1: a little bit worse than that. Overall, the poll finds

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Speaker 1: that some significant number of battleground voters think the party

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Speaker 1: is quote preachy, judgmental, and focused on culture wars. Kind

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Speaker 1: of hard to argue with them on any of that.

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Speaker 1: Where things go from bad to historic disaster is when

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Speaker 1: the Poulture's factor in the impact of the GOP's own

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Speaker 1: culture war messaging on issues like critical race theory, defund

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Speaker 1: the police, and immigration. When those attacks go unanswered, the

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Speaker 1: Democrats go from four points down to fourteen points. In

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Speaker 1: the whole seems like a pretty simple story. Right Democrats

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Speaker 1: have gone too far left on cultural issues. They're out

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Speaker 1: step with the country. They need to forcefully pivot back

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Speaker 1: to the center to have a prayer at winning the public.

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Speaker 1: This analysis is in certain ways totally correct, and it's

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Speaker 1: hard to disagree with considering how unpopular left messaging is

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Speaker 1: on culture and identity. That's not an argument against the

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Speaker 1: morality of left positions on some of those issues. In

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Speaker 1: my opinion. They're a mixed bag of good and bad

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Speaker 1: and fantastical. It's just a basic acknowledgment that it's nearly

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Speaker 1: all a massive uphill climb as it's concerned with the public.

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Speaker 1: But you won't be surprised to learn that the demb

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Speaker 1: establishment line regurgitated here by Politico obscures as much as

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Speaker 1: it ultimately illuminates. First of all, this analysis says literally

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Speaker 1: nothing about economics. Now. I don't know if you've ever

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Speaker 1: seen a single poll in your life, but voters have

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Speaker 1: been shouting at anyone who will listen that the economy

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Speaker 1: is their number one concern. Economy, inflation, healthcare, the issue

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Speaker 1: set that determines whether or not they're going to make

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Speaker 1: rent and put fresh vegetables or ramen noodles on the table.

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Speaker 1: And it is insanely clear that the quote moderate approach

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Speaker 1: on these issues has been a disaster. On Monday, I

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Speaker 1: showed you the evidence that focusing on material well being

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Speaker 1: is still potent politics. The end of the child tax

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Speaker 1: credit has sent down performance tumbling among those voters who

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Speaker 1: benefited from that credit, while overall den performance over the

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Speaker 1: same time period remains static. So, in other words, people

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Speaker 1: who got the credit and then lost it abandoned Dems

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Speaker 1: at a time when the rest of the public was

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Speaker 1: actually holding steady. Why isn't the d tribleze talking about that?

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Speaker 1: Where's the polling on how the White House's unwillingness to

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Speaker 1: use executive orders to cancel debt or expand healthcare has

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Speaker 1: been a total disaster? Or the White House's total capitulation

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Speaker 1: and core issues like lifting the minimum wage or expanding

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Speaker 1: union rights. Where's the polling on the obsessive quest among

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Speaker 1: moderates to give the wealthy a tax break through the

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Speaker 1: salt tax, or our frontliner Elaine Laurie's opposition to banning

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Speaker 1: stock trades among members of Congress, or the efforts of

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Speaker 1: centrists like Kathleen Rice to protect big pharmer's ability to

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Speaker 1: price gouge the public. The Democratic Party's refusal to deliver

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Speaker 1: on the issues that voters actually care about, though, is

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Speaker 1: a double whammy of electoral devastation, because not only does

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Speaker 1: it lead voters frustrated and struggling when it comes to

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Speaker 1: their concerns, it also makes it inevitable that elections will

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Speaker 1: be fought primarily on the grounds of culture, which is

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Speaker 1: exactly why are politics so completely and totally suck. And

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Speaker 1: this is where the terrain is much more perilous for Democrats.

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Speaker 1: Makes sense, right, If you aren't going to actually attempt

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Speaker 1: to meet voters' material needs and make an economic case,

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Speaker 1: then voters are going to primarily choose candidates based on

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Speaker 1: culture war signaling. Culture war isn't exactly a new phenomenon

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Speaker 1: in American politics, but it's worth considering the pioneer of

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Speaker 1: the current version of the Democratic Party, which leans so

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Speaker 1: heavily on identity and culture and relies so little on

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Speaker 1: working class economics. Spoiler alert, it's not the left, after all.

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Speaker 1: I'm old enough to remember when Bernie Sanders ran on

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Speaker 1: a universalist working class message and was relentlessly smeared as

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Speaker 1: a sexist and a racist and just an all around

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Speaker 1: bigot because he leaned into a class first message in

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Speaker 1: twenty sixteen. So who's the person we should blame for

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Speaker 1: the current electorally and morally disastrous version of the Democratic Party.

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Speaker 1: For that answer, we can turn to a much more

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Speaker 1: complete and less propaganda filled analysis just published in The

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Speaker 1: American Prospect by Stan Greenberg. Now, Stan's got the picture

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Speaker 1: of our villain right here on the screen. Right at

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Speaker 1: the top and a headline which implores Democrats to please,

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Speaker 1: for the love of God, speak to working class discontent.

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Speaker 1: And before I dive in, let me establish Stan's credibility

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Speaker 1: on these issues. He's a long time mainstream Democratic pollster

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Speaker 1: who has a sort of revered status in political circles

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Speaker 1: because he was the person who identified the phenomenon of

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Speaker 1: the Reagan Democrat. These were lunch bucket type white working

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Speaker 1: class voters who switched from being reliable Democratic voters to

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Speaker 1: Republican voters during the Reagan era, presaging the continued white

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Speaker 1: working class realignment, which has of course come into dramatic

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Speaker 1: focus during the Trump years. Stan's focus on McCombe County,

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Speaker 1: Michigan has led reporters and politicos to flock to that

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Speaker 1: blue collar suburb for years now to try to read

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Speaker 1: the tea leaves of the ross belt white male. And

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Speaker 1: he is now sounding the alarm bells that the same

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Speaker 1: trend he observed among white working class voters has now

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Speaker 1: bled over to all races of working class voters. And

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Speaker 1: Stan knows when this trend, which spells doom for the

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Speaker 1: Democratic Party begins, that would be under Barack Obama. It

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Speaker 1: was under Obama that his own trailblazing identity was offered

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Speaker 1: as a substitute for working class economics. It was under

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Speaker 1: Obama that homeowners were hung out to dry and bankers

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Speaker 1: were let off the hook. His re election and continued

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Speaker 1: personal popularities created a sort of optical illusion that his

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Speaker 1: mode of politics was really successful. But if you just

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Speaker 1: scratch a little bit below the surface of those metrics,

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Speaker 1: you see that his eight years in office were a

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Speaker 1: time of destruction for Democrats among rural voters and among

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Speaker 1: the working class, leading to massive losses in the House,

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Speaker 1: the Senate, state legislatures, governor's mansions, and culminating, of course,

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Speaker 1: with the election of Donald J. Trump. Here's what Stan

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Speaker 1: Greenberg has to say about the message that the Obama

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Speaker 1: political project continues to send to the multiracial working class. Quote.

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Speaker 1: To be sure, Obama is America's most distanem political leader

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Speaker 1: nationally and in countries around the world. But by calling

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Speaker 1: in Obama in every election, Democrats are telling voters they

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Speaker 1: prioritize his political project. Presenting themselves as the Party of

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Speaker 1: Obama implies not only that Democrats represent a diverse, multicultural America,

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Speaker 1: which is true, but also that they represent the voters

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Speaker 1: who are doing well and want to help those who

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Speaker 1: are still struggling. It says Democrats are not angry about

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Speaker 1: the deepening inequality and corruption that has allowed big corporations

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Speaker 1: and the top one percent to write the rules for

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Speaker 1: all of us. It says Democrats are out of touch

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Speaker 1: with working people. And of course, far more important than

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Speaker 1: the electoral consequences for the losers in the Democratic Party

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Speaker 1: is what this commitment to personal identity and cultural signaling

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Speaker 1: to the affluent over and above material politics has meant

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Speaker 1: to the lives of working class Americans. Now, look the

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Speaker 1: modern GOP. They've always been the party the rich. The

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Speaker 1: Democrats largely joining them has meant the complete abandonment of

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Speaker 1: most of the country. Now, if you step back for

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Speaker 1: a minute, it's preposterous to imagine that the disastrous shape

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Speaker 1: of the Democratic Party is because of the left. The

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Speaker 1: left is completely powerless guys. They exist to get dugged

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Speaker 1: on by a bunch of corporatists who still lionize James Carvell.

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Speaker 1: But the people with real power in the party have

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Speaker 1: closed the door to leaning into the left economic policies

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Speaker 1: which are actually popular and which could actually reclaim their

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Speaker 1: working class base, so they do their best to generate

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Speaker 1: Sista Soulja moments and scold the left on culture, even

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Speaker 1: as their own failings are the very reason why these

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Speaker 1: cultural issues have taken over all of politics. It's Nancy

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Speaker 1: Pelosi kneeling in kentakeloth While for claiming that she has

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Speaker 1: a right to insider trade because of the free market

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Speaker 1: for all eternity just can't imagine why it's not working out, Sager.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if people took note of how extraordinary

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Speaker 1: it is for Stan Green and if you want to

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Speaker 1: hear my reaction to Crystal Monologue, become a premiumbscriber today

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Speaker 1: at Breakingpoints dot Com. All right, Tiger, what are you

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Speaker 1: looking at? Well? Anytime, as a foreign policy crisis on horizon,

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Speaker 1: the historical analogies all start flying. As Godwin's law states,

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Speaker 1: the longer in online discussion goes, regardless of topic or scope,

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Speaker 1: the probability of a comparison to Nazis or Adolph Hitler

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Speaker 1: reaches one. Godwin came up with that rule in nineteen ninety,

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Speaker 1: in the early days of the Internet, but for foreign policy,

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Speaker 1: it's actually been afflicting our thinking long before all the

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Speaker 1: way since nineteen thirty nine, and I continue to see

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Speaker 1: it today in the Ukraine crisis. For the advocates of

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Speaker 1: the most bellicose position against Russia, the Ukraine crisis today

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Speaker 1: is a simple replay of the Munich crisis of nineteen

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Speaker 1: thirty eight. Hitler and Putin are reventist leaders who seek

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Speaker 1: to restore the glory of their former countries. They are

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Speaker 1: willing to use belligerent force to accomplish this, and to

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Speaker 1: exploit the international system, plagued by war weariness, to stage

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Speaker 1: highstkescambles that get what they want. In this telling of history,

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Speaker 1: the answer of what to do is quite obvious. We

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Speaker 1: must then do what the world failed to do at Munich,

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Speaker 1: to stand up to Hitler or in this case, Putin

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Speaker 1: and say enough is enough. And that is what the

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Speaker 1: UK Defense Minister just said days ago, as I just

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Speaker 1: showed you. I came to write this monologue after my

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Speaker 1: own study of Munich, recently sparked by three different things.

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Speaker 1: Number One, it was the excellent movie on Netflix titled

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Speaker 1: Munich The Edge of War. It actually caused me to

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Speaker 1: buy a book. It's called Appeasement. Chamberlain, Hitler, Churchill and

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Speaker 1: the Road to War by Tim Bovier. And then finally,

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Speaker 1: I just read the first volume JFK Biography by Frederick Loangival,

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Speaker 1: which spends a lot of time on the pre war

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Speaker 1: diplomacy of Europe. Now I've got to tell you something.

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Speaker 1: While I think Munich may be one of the most

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Speaker 1: important events in his world history, the invoking of it

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Speaker 1: to justify wars in the future may end up doing

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Speaker 1: substantial damage. Given the horrors of the Second World War,

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Speaker 1: A lot of the worst of Munich and the Holocaust,

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Speaker 1: obviously are subsequent failures also to stop Hitler. They are

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Speaker 1: burned into consciousness of any moral and good person, especially

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Speaker 1: a person who thinks about foreign policy. But let's actually

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Speaker 1: break it down when it comes to Ukraine. For the comparison,

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Speaker 1: for Munich to work, Vladimir Putin has to be a

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Speaker 1: genocidal madman hell bent on the domination of all of

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Speaker 1: Western Europe, and Ukraine has to be the opening salvo

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Speaker 1: in a bloody and a long campaign. Now ask yourself

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Speaker 1: the question, is there any evidence to support that whatsoever?

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Speaker 1: The Ukraine crisis today is the result of a long

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Speaker 1: and simmering tension between post Soviet Russia and the West.

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Speaker 1: About the balance of power on the European continent. Any

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Speaker 1: sane person can see that NATO expansion all the way

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Speaker 1: up to the Russian border is bound to cause a reaction.

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Speaker 1: And in fact, if you compare Putin to the long

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Speaker 1: arc of Russian history, a Russian czar paranoid of Western

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Speaker 1: influence and seeking defense and depth through expansion outwards, that's

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Speaker 1: about as typical as it comes. In other words, is

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01:21:01,360 --> 01:21:04,559
Speaker 1: Putin Hitler or is he just your average Russian leader

1484
01:21:04,680 --> 01:21:08,040
Speaker 1: who's been trying to annex Ukraine since sixteen sixty seven.

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01:21:08,520 --> 01:21:11,519
Speaker 1: The reason that this matters is because if he's the former,

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01:21:11,800 --> 01:21:15,200
Speaker 1: it justifies World War three. If it's the latter, well,

1487
01:21:15,400 --> 01:21:18,200
Speaker 1: then we have a range of options, different foreign policy

1488
01:21:18,200 --> 01:21:20,880
Speaker 1: comparisons that we can draw from. The reason I'm laying

1489
01:21:20,920 --> 01:21:23,639
Speaker 1: it out this way is to reveal the mental traps

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01:21:23,640 --> 01:21:26,240
Speaker 1: that we can find ourselves in which may narrow our

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01:21:26,280 --> 01:21:30,000
Speaker 1: scope of options and imagination during a foreign policy crisis.

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Speaker 1: There's another aspect, though, to Munich, that the Hawks who

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01:21:32,439 --> 01:21:37,120
Speaker 1: invoke it today never consider. Munich was real. Was the

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01:21:37,200 --> 01:21:41,599
Speaker 1: dominant policy preference of the entire West at the time.

1495
01:21:42,000 --> 01:21:45,280
Speaker 1: Chamberlain was hailed as a hero in the uk for

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01:21:45,360 --> 01:21:47,840
Speaker 1: preventing a war. France and the rest of the West

1497
01:21:48,040 --> 01:21:50,680
Speaker 1: were reeling from the Great Depression. The memory of the

1498
01:21:50,720 --> 01:21:54,759
Speaker 1: Psalm and Verdun and Passiondale was too fresh for most people.

1499
01:21:55,000 --> 01:21:58,519
Speaker 1: And the truth was there was almost no domestic political

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01:21:58,560 --> 01:22:01,559
Speaker 1: condition that would have produced a different outcome than Munich,

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01:22:01,680 --> 01:22:05,360
Speaker 1: which was first observed actually by our own thirty fifth President,

1502
01:22:05,680 --> 01:22:09,599
Speaker 1: John Fitzgerald Kennedy, at just twenty something years old, when

1503
01:22:09,600 --> 01:22:13,040
Speaker 1: he wrote Why England Slept in the year nineteen forty? Now,

1504
01:22:13,080 --> 01:22:16,040
Speaker 1: why does this forgotten truth matter? Because something that the

1505
01:22:16,080 --> 01:22:19,200
Speaker 1: Hawks of today like to disregard is the feeling of

1506
01:22:19,280 --> 01:22:22,280
Speaker 1: the public. They wish away the whims of the electorate,

1507
01:22:22,439 --> 01:22:27,000
Speaker 1: who today is roundly against intervention in Ukraine whatsoever? Well,

1508
01:22:27,040 --> 01:22:30,240
Speaker 1: why is that exactly? Maybe it's because the last time

1509
01:22:30,320 --> 01:22:33,280
Speaker 1: Munich was invoked by an American president to justify a war,

1510
01:22:33,720 --> 01:22:36,320
Speaker 1: it was September two thousand and two by George W.

1511
01:22:36,400 --> 01:22:39,280
Speaker 1: Bush for the war in Iraq. Something that the Hawks

1512
01:22:39,400 --> 01:22:42,160
Speaker 1: never consider is that the reason Munich happened in the

1513
01:22:42,200 --> 01:22:46,120
Speaker 1: first place is because Europe and America's elite promised them

1514
01:22:46,360 --> 01:22:49,200
Speaker 1: that the horrific First World War was the war to

1515
01:22:49,360 --> 01:22:52,400
Speaker 1: end all wars, and then when they started raising the

1516
01:22:52,400 --> 01:22:56,559
Speaker 1: possibility of it again just a generation later, people said, well,

1517
01:22:56,600 --> 01:22:59,120
Speaker 1: hold on a second, I don't want to do that again.

1518
01:22:59,600 --> 01:23:01,880
Speaker 1: Is there not a lesson in that? Should the Hawks

1519
01:23:01,920 --> 01:23:04,439
Speaker 1: not then learn this lesson? If you're going to lead

1520
01:23:04,479 --> 01:23:07,160
Speaker 1: a democratic public to war, you better not do so

1521
01:23:07,280 --> 01:23:10,360
Speaker 1: under false pretenses or make too big of promises, because

1522
01:23:10,400 --> 01:23:12,799
Speaker 1: if you do so and it ends up being a disaster,

1523
01:23:13,280 --> 01:23:16,640
Speaker 1: generational memory is long, and they will remain suspicious of

1524
01:23:16,680 --> 01:23:19,479
Speaker 1: you and any war in the future, even if it

1525
01:23:19,520 --> 01:23:22,559
Speaker 1: is a righteous cause, like destroying Nazism and taking on Hitler.

1526
01:23:22,840 --> 01:23:25,559
Speaker 1: And as I digest the recent history, I've just taken

1527
01:23:25,560 --> 01:23:28,240
Speaker 1: in the real lesson of Munich to me that when

1528
01:23:28,240 --> 01:23:30,559
Speaker 1: elites betray the public and you lead them to a

1529
01:23:30,600 --> 01:23:34,040
Speaker 1: war with false promises, and when that reality is really confronted,

1530
01:23:34,320 --> 01:23:37,240
Speaker 1: the long standing effects of that are going to linger

1531
01:23:37,560 --> 01:23:40,519
Speaker 1: for decades. I'm sure any Hawk who's listening to this

1532
01:23:40,560 --> 01:23:42,920
Speaker 1: is just going to say, oh, yes, the silly public.

1533
01:23:42,960 --> 01:23:46,040
Speaker 1: They just have to learn how to differentiate. That's the problem.

1534
01:23:46,640 --> 01:23:49,400
Speaker 1: America's elite can never fail. They can only be failed.

1535
01:23:49,600 --> 01:23:52,240
Speaker 1: Their invasion of Iraq and NATO expansion and conception of

1536
01:23:52,280 --> 01:23:55,559
Speaker 1: American foreign policy is always right. It's you who are

1537
01:23:55,600 --> 01:23:58,360
Speaker 1: too dumb to know the difference, or and I again

1538
01:23:58,439 --> 01:24:02,320
Speaker 1: pose it. Or we do know better because we learned

1539
01:24:02,360 --> 01:24:04,920
Speaker 1: to start asking questions for ourselves as to what should

1540
01:24:04,920 --> 01:24:07,840
Speaker 1: really be done. So those lectures on MSNBC are from

1541
01:24:07,840 --> 01:24:10,679
Speaker 1: the White House continue and you try to convince you otherwise.

1542
01:24:10,880 --> 01:24:13,280
Speaker 1: Don't let their false appeals to history move you. It

1543
01:24:13,400 --> 01:24:16,000
Speaker 1: is a selective one at best, one that hopes to

1544
01:24:16,040 --> 01:24:18,800
Speaker 1: override the experience of your eyes and ears. And as

1545
01:24:18,880 --> 01:24:21,439
Speaker 1: we saw at Munich, sometimes there are downfalls to that.

1546
01:24:21,760 --> 01:24:24,200
Speaker 1: But in the long run, the skepticism of the public

1547
01:24:24,320 --> 01:24:27,519
Speaker 1: based upon lies from above may itself be what saves

1548
01:24:27,520 --> 01:24:30,840
Speaker 1: this country and many many others. I've just been turning

1549
01:24:30,880 --> 01:24:32,800
Speaker 1: this over my head. I hear this all the time.

1550
01:24:32,840 --> 01:24:35,559
Speaker 1: Oh peace, And if you want to hear my reaction

1551
01:24:35,640 --> 01:24:39,320
Speaker 1: to Sager's monologue, become a premium subscriber today at breakingpoints

1552
01:24:39,360 --> 01:24:44,400
Speaker 1: dot com. Joining us now we have Robert Kutner. He

1553
01:24:44,560 --> 01:24:47,280
Speaker 1: is co founder and co editor of The American Prospect

1554
01:24:47,320 --> 01:24:52,640
Speaker 1: and also a professor at Brandeis University's Heller School. Great Caesar, Goodesteezer,

1555
01:24:54,160 --> 01:24:56,479
Speaker 1: thank you for having me. Yeah, our pleasure. So you

1556
01:24:56,520 --> 01:24:58,400
Speaker 1: wrote a fantastic piece. Let's go ahead and throw this

1557
01:24:58,439 --> 01:25:01,519
Speaker 1: tear sheet up on the screen. It is headlined China

1558
01:25:01,680 --> 01:25:05,480
Speaker 1: at a center of the supply chain crisis. How concentrating

1559
01:25:05,520 --> 01:25:10,360
Speaker 1: dependence on China upended our economy and added risk. Just

1560
01:25:10,439 --> 01:25:13,960
Speaker 1: start with the most basic question, which is what did

1561
01:25:13,960 --> 01:25:18,360
Speaker 1: the pandemic reveal about our dependence on China and how

1562
01:25:18,360 --> 01:25:22,840
Speaker 1: it made us much more fragile as a country. Right, Well,

1563
01:25:23,439 --> 01:25:30,200
Speaker 1: let's start with the folly of relying on distant supply chains,

1564
01:25:30,720 --> 01:25:34,160
Speaker 1: and then how China was kind of the ultimate example

1565
01:25:34,200 --> 01:25:37,080
Speaker 1: of that. So basically, beginning of the late seventies, we

1566
01:25:37,160 --> 01:25:40,040
Speaker 1: had this model where we offshore a whole bunch of stuff.

1567
01:25:40,520 --> 01:25:44,280
Speaker 1: We combine that with just in time production, We combine

1568
01:25:44,360 --> 01:25:47,040
Speaker 1: that with a lot of deregulations so that the government

1569
01:25:47,400 --> 01:25:50,960
Speaker 1: really has no regulatory authority over the various elements in

1570
01:25:51,000 --> 01:25:54,519
Speaker 1: the supply chain. And then just to make matters, whereas

1571
01:25:54,560 --> 01:25:57,800
Speaker 1: we concentrate dependence on China in all of this offshore.

1572
01:25:58,320 --> 01:26:01,200
Speaker 1: So all it takes is the right kind of crisis

1573
01:26:01,240 --> 01:26:04,360
Speaker 1: to just blow up the whole system, and COVID turned

1574
01:26:04,400 --> 01:26:06,640
Speaker 1: out to be that crisis. So that's that's sort of

1575
01:26:06,640 --> 01:26:08,640
Speaker 1: part one of the stories, and then part two of

1576
01:26:08,680 --> 01:26:12,280
Speaker 1: the story is the particular stupidity of relying so much

1577
01:26:12,680 --> 01:26:18,599
Speaker 1: on China because China, you know, it's a totalitarian country

1578
01:26:19,479 --> 01:26:23,800
Speaker 1: that makes deals with American corporations to the advantage of China.

1579
01:26:23,920 --> 01:26:27,200
Speaker 1: But when we need stuff, as we did in the

1580
01:26:27,240 --> 01:26:30,400
Speaker 1: first few weeks of the pandemic, we come last. And

1581
01:26:30,439 --> 01:26:32,479
Speaker 1: I can go into as much or as little detail

1582
01:26:32,840 --> 01:26:35,679
Speaker 1: on exactly how that played out as you like. Yeah,

1583
01:26:35,720 --> 01:26:37,840
Speaker 1: I mean something I've respected about your work. You've been

1584
01:26:37,880 --> 01:26:40,960
Speaker 1: a long time critic and you know, sounding board on

1585
01:26:41,240 --> 01:26:44,920
Speaker 1: the you know, insanity of the quote unquote liberal international

1586
01:26:45,240 --> 01:26:49,160
Speaker 1: trading order. Bob, what are the assumptions that were baked

1587
01:26:49,200 --> 01:26:52,400
Speaker 1: in by this, by the people who designed our economy

1588
01:26:52,840 --> 01:26:55,839
Speaker 1: and do they continue to have power in our society

1589
01:26:55,840 --> 01:26:57,760
Speaker 1: in terms of what they claim they can do to

1590
01:26:57,840 --> 01:27:02,559
Speaker 1: fix this. Yes, and that's exactly the right question. So

1591
01:27:02,600 --> 01:27:06,839
Speaker 1: this is one part ideology and one part corporate self

1592
01:27:07,040 --> 01:27:11,439
Speaker 1: interest and corporate influence. So the ideology part, you know,

1593
01:27:11,439 --> 01:27:13,640
Speaker 1: it goes back two hundred years. It's the view that

1594
01:27:13,720 --> 01:27:18,639
Speaker 1: free trade is just a good thing that by trading

1595
01:27:18,680 --> 01:27:21,519
Speaker 1: with countries that are more efficient than we are, it's

1596
01:27:21,560 --> 01:27:24,800
Speaker 1: good for us and it's good for them. Problem with

1597
01:27:24,880 --> 01:27:27,280
Speaker 1: that is that, going back at least one hundred years,

1598
01:27:27,880 --> 01:27:31,960
Speaker 1: despite the traditional theory of comparative advantage, where you know

1599
01:27:32,040 --> 01:27:34,040
Speaker 1: one country is good at making one thing and another

1600
01:27:34,120 --> 01:27:36,040
Speaker 1: country is good at making something else, so they both

1601
01:27:36,080 --> 01:27:40,200
Speaker 1: benefit from trade, you go back one hundred years, advantage

1602
01:27:40,280 --> 01:27:45,519
Speaker 1: is not the result of natural traits like being good

1603
01:27:45,520 --> 01:27:49,400
Speaker 1: at making wheat or having a lot of oil or coal. Increasingly,

1604
01:27:49,479 --> 01:27:53,519
Speaker 1: advantage is created. Japan says, hey, we don't want to

1605
01:27:53,520 --> 01:27:56,120
Speaker 1: make cheap toys anymore. Why don't we get good at

1606
01:27:56,160 --> 01:27:59,679
Speaker 1: making cars and steel? And Korea does the same thing,

1607
01:27:59,800 --> 01:28:03,439
Speaker 1: and China does the same thing times one hundred. So

1608
01:28:03,479 --> 01:28:07,080
Speaker 1: the idea that there's some kind of natural advantage that

1609
01:28:07,200 --> 01:28:11,280
Speaker 1: trade can tap that doesn't describe the way the world

1610
01:28:11,360 --> 01:28:17,479
Speaker 1: works at all. Then, beginning in the eighties, you have

1611
01:28:17,520 --> 01:28:20,600
Speaker 1: a lot of corporations looking at China, a market of

1612
01:28:21,400 --> 01:28:24,679
Speaker 1: you know, a billion people that is starting to become

1613
01:28:24,760 --> 01:28:28,000
Speaker 1: more open to the West, and you have American investment bankers,

1614
01:28:28,000 --> 01:28:30,960
Speaker 1: American corporation saying, wow, boy, would we ever lack a

1615
01:28:30,960 --> 01:28:35,800
Speaker 1: piece of that action, And so they persuade Clinton that

1616
01:28:36,680 --> 01:28:39,640
Speaker 1: letting China into the World Trade Organization, which gives it

1617
01:28:39,720 --> 01:28:44,400
Speaker 1: access to America's markets and America's capital markets with no

1618
01:28:44,560 --> 01:28:47,519
Speaker 1: quid pro quos. China is still run by the Communist

1619
01:28:47,560 --> 01:28:51,479
Speaker 1: Party at China. That's this weird hybrid of one part

1620
01:28:52,320 --> 01:28:56,519
Speaker 1: Leninist dictatorship and one part state run capitalism that works

1621
01:28:56,640 --> 01:29:00,839
Speaker 1: very well for China. So, you know, led by Robert Rubin,

1622
01:29:01,040 --> 01:29:06,120
Speaker 1: formerly of Gold and Sacks, then Treasury Secretary, the idea is,

1623
01:29:06,520 --> 01:29:09,759
Speaker 1: let's let China into the WTO, and all the investment

1624
01:29:09,760 --> 01:29:13,040
Speaker 1: bankers will get a ton of business because that'll give

1625
01:29:13,200 --> 01:29:18,200
Speaker 1: access to China to our capital markets, and corporations can

1626
01:29:18,320 --> 01:29:23,880
Speaker 1: produce very cheaply in China with no environmental regulations and

1627
01:29:24,080 --> 01:29:28,480
Speaker 1: labor that's one cut above slave labor, and everybody benefits

1628
01:29:28,600 --> 01:29:34,519
Speaker 1: except American cities that depend on jobs and American workers

1629
01:29:34,560 --> 01:29:41,200
Speaker 1: who depend on jobs. And so that's the marriage of

1630
01:29:41,280 --> 01:29:45,479
Speaker 1: a kind of faulty ideology with just craven self interest.

1631
01:29:46,000 --> 01:29:49,520
Speaker 1: And this just putters along right through the Obama administration.

1632
01:29:50,479 --> 01:29:54,840
Speaker 1: And then interestingly, it's Trump in a kind of half

1633
01:29:54,920 --> 01:29:59,400
Speaker 1: baked demagogic way, who breaks with his consensus and starts

1634
01:29:59,439 --> 01:30:05,320
Speaker 1: demonized in China, and Levy's tariffs against China, which actually

1635
01:30:05,360 --> 01:30:07,720
Speaker 1: turned out to be useful in the hands of the

1636
01:30:07,720 --> 01:30:13,799
Speaker 1: Biden administration, which has a more strategic approach. Trump's approach

1637
01:30:13,840 --> 01:30:17,680
Speaker 1: was kind of scattershot. It was nationalistic, it was xenophobic,

1638
01:30:17,760 --> 01:30:21,280
Speaker 1: it was we don't like Chinese people. But the virtue

1639
01:30:21,320 --> 01:30:23,800
Speaker 1: of Trump was that he blew up the old consensus.

1640
01:30:24,360 --> 01:30:27,479
Speaker 1: And then Biden comes in with an opportunity maybe, and

1641
01:30:27,520 --> 01:30:30,360
Speaker 1: the jury is still out on this to reset the

1642
01:30:30,479 --> 01:30:33,360
Speaker 1: China relationship and to do it right. The problem is

1643
01:30:33,400 --> 01:30:36,559
Speaker 1: there's a huge undertow on the part of the enormous

1644
01:30:36,560 --> 01:30:42,000
Speaker 1: corporations who benefit from the status quo, and even what

1645
01:30:42,160 --> 01:30:47,440
Speaker 1: has been revealed by the pandemic has only partly undermined

1646
01:30:47,479 --> 01:30:51,559
Speaker 1: that traditional consensus. Could you go into that piece of

1647
01:30:51,560 --> 01:30:54,120
Speaker 1: the corporate influence in a little bit more detail, because

1648
01:30:54,160 --> 01:30:56,559
Speaker 1: you have some great examples here in your piece of

1649
01:30:56,640 --> 01:31:00,680
Speaker 1: exactly how this influence pedaling works. So even when administration

1650
01:31:00,720 --> 01:31:02,400
Speaker 1: gets a good idea and starts to go in a

1651
01:31:02,439 --> 01:31:05,439
Speaker 1: good direction, there are all these forces and all this

1652
01:31:05,560 --> 01:31:10,000
Speaker 1: pressure come to bear on pushing them the opposite way.

1653
01:31:10,120 --> 01:31:19,200
Speaker 1: So probably the emblematic example is investment bankers China, even

1654
01:31:19,280 --> 01:31:22,679
Speaker 1: though it has a huge savings rate, needs Western capital,

1655
01:31:23,080 --> 01:31:27,599
Speaker 1: it needs Western expertise, it needs Western validation. And so

1656
01:31:28,439 --> 01:31:34,000
Speaker 1: China can list companies on American stock exchanges, or it

1657
01:31:34,080 --> 01:31:37,200
Speaker 1: can list companies on the Hong Kong stock Exchange, and

1658
01:31:37,280 --> 01:31:42,280
Speaker 1: Americans can buy the companies. The China Hawks in the

1659
01:31:42,320 --> 01:31:47,080
Speaker 1: administration have said, this is a terrific piece of leverage.

1660
01:31:48,200 --> 01:31:52,920
Speaker 1: Why don't we say that Until China stops doing X

1661
01:31:53,080 --> 01:31:57,360
Speaker 1: Y and Z right, stops illegal subsidies, stops illegal dumping

1662
01:31:57,600 --> 01:32:03,600
Speaker 1: of products, stops stealing our technology, stops using spyware, you

1663
01:32:03,800 --> 01:32:07,599
Speaker 1: can no longer list Chinese companies for Americans to invest

1664
01:32:07,640 --> 01:32:12,000
Speaker 1: in on American stock exchange, or American investors can no

1665
01:32:12,040 --> 01:32:17,400
Speaker 1: longer be permitted to put money into Chinese companies, particularly

1666
01:32:17,400 --> 01:32:20,719
Speaker 1: companies that are controlled by the Chinese Communist Party, which

1667
01:32:20,760 --> 01:32:24,280
Speaker 1: is most large companies in China, or by the Chinese military.

1668
01:32:24,520 --> 01:32:29,040
Speaker 1: You Americans cannot invest in these? Well, guess what? Even

1669
01:32:29,080 --> 01:32:34,479
Speaker 1: though Biden has taken a somewhat hardline on tariffs and

1670
01:32:34,640 --> 01:32:41,760
Speaker 1: has put some Chinese companies on a list that precludes

1671
01:32:41,800 --> 01:32:45,559
Speaker 1: them per se because they are caught red handed doing

1672
01:32:45,600 --> 01:32:50,759
Speaker 1: stuff like spying or stealing intellectual property. The more potent

1673
01:32:50,920 --> 01:32:54,759
Speaker 1: leverage of saying you cannot list your shares on American

1674
01:32:55,000 --> 01:32:59,080
Speaker 1: stock exchanges. That has not been done. And why not, Well,

1675
01:32:59,120 --> 01:33:03,120
Speaker 1: that's the influence of American investment banking companies on both parties.

1676
01:33:03,960 --> 01:33:07,120
Speaker 1: See this is a part I just cannot emphasize enough

1677
01:33:07,360 --> 01:33:10,519
Speaker 1: the investment bankers and the billionaires and all this. They

1678
01:33:10,680 --> 01:33:13,040
Speaker 1: are not only have made a lot, they also have

1679
01:33:13,040 --> 01:33:15,559
Speaker 1: a lot at stake and an immense amount of influence.

1680
01:33:15,680 --> 01:33:17,479
Speaker 1: So Bob, I mean, and again you come from a

1681
01:33:17,560 --> 01:33:21,479
Speaker 1: much progressive background, like, how do we fix this? How

1682
01:33:21,520 --> 01:33:24,040
Speaker 1: can we get and extricate our way out of it?

1683
01:33:24,240 --> 01:33:27,080
Speaker 1: The idea of decoupling the US and China At this point,

1684
01:33:27,160 --> 01:33:28,599
Speaker 1: you know, as much as I would like to, it's

1685
01:33:28,640 --> 01:33:32,040
Speaker 1: not going to happen. So is there a viable path

1686
01:33:32,439 --> 01:33:37,160
Speaker 1: forward to restoring American resiliency having a sane trading relationship

1687
01:33:37,160 --> 01:33:39,519
Speaker 1: with China in American politics? Or is it simply just

1688
01:33:39,560 --> 01:33:43,000
Speaker 1: too far gone? What do you think? Oh? I do

1689
01:33:43,040 --> 01:33:46,240
Speaker 1: think there's a path forward. And the encouraging thing about

1690
01:33:46,280 --> 01:33:51,080
Speaker 1: the Biden administration is that he has broken with the

1691
01:33:51,240 --> 01:33:56,439
Speaker 1: orthodoxy on both trade theory and on China. So right

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Speaker 1: through Carter Clinton, Obama, Democrats as well as Republicans strength

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Speaker 1: as kool aid. They bought into the idea that a

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01:34:06,000 --> 01:34:09,920
Speaker 1: kind of corporate led globalization would be good for everybody.

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Speaker 1: And as I said, Trump blew that up in a

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Speaker 1: kind of crude, in coherent fashion. But Biden has taken

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Speaker 1: this new normal and tried to have a more coherent,

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Speaker 1: tough China policy. So, for example, he despite a ton

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Speaker 1: of pressure, he's left most of the tariffs in place.

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Speaker 1: And this is worth a moment's reflection. The US trade

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01:34:38,240 --> 01:34:45,519
Speaker 1: law does include some provisions whereby if your company is

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Speaker 1: the victim of Chinese dumping. Let's say you make solar

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01:34:49,800 --> 01:34:52,439
Speaker 1: cells and you're the best company in the world. You

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01:34:52,479 --> 01:34:55,400
Speaker 1: have the most advanced technology in the world. China comes along,

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01:34:55,479 --> 01:34:58,719
Speaker 1: they steal the technology, and they start making the stuff

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Speaker 1: in China, and they underprice you so that you can't

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Speaker 1: make a living. That's called dumping. It's illegal. But by

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Speaker 1: the time the dumping complaint is adjudicated, you're out of business.

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Speaker 1: So what Biden did was to say, rather than doing

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Speaker 1: this case by case, let's view the entire Chinese mercantilist

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Speaker 1: system as one big case of dumping, and let's just

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Speaker 1: levy tariffs against the whole thing, and that'll be ballpark accurate.

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Speaker 1: It may not be precisely accurate, but doesn't matter. The

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Speaker 1: point is to just create some breathing rooms. So the

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Speaker 1: American steel companies, American semiconductor companies, American solar companies, you know,

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Speaker 1: can aluminum can start producing in the United States again

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Speaker 1: while we work out what our long term relationship with

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01:35:52,560 --> 01:35:55,960
Speaker 1: China's going to be. That worked pretty well. Another part

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Speaker 1: of this is resuring you need an industrial policy to

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01:35:59,360 --> 01:36:02,320
Speaker 1: bring back a lot of the industry that we've lost

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Speaker 1: to China. They're beginning to move in that direction. There's

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Speaker 1: bipartisan legislation now that it is before the House Senate conference.

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Speaker 1: This was Schumer in the city to subsuppise American restoring.

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Speaker 1: And I call this a positive form of economic nationalism.

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Speaker 1: It's what we had during World War two. Economic nationalism

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01:36:29,040 --> 01:36:32,480
Speaker 1: has been a dirty word because it's associated with jingoism

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Speaker 1: and China bashing in the sense of racism. But there's

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01:36:36,800 --> 01:36:40,000
Speaker 1: a positive form of economic nationalism where we say we

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01:36:40,160 --> 01:36:43,439
Speaker 1: need to stay in the game. We need American based

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Speaker 1: companies and American based work, you know, workers to stay

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01:36:50,160 --> 01:36:52,599
Speaker 1: in the game. So I do think that if they

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Speaker 1: don't lose their nerve, and if they don't get too

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01:36:56,840 --> 01:36:59,720
Speaker 1: influenced by the more corporate types who are in the

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Speaker 1: by White House, there is a path forward, but it's

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Speaker 1: very tricky and they have to do everything right. And

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Speaker 1: as you lay out on the piece as well, the

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01:37:09,560 --> 01:37:12,760
Speaker 1: longer that we wait on taking that kind of action,

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01:37:12,800 --> 01:37:15,519
Speaker 1: the more difficult it becomes, because our skills and our

1739
01:37:15,560 --> 01:37:18,759
Speaker 1: tech and our abilities in all of these areas areas

1740
01:37:18,800 --> 01:37:22,479
Speaker 1: continue to deteriorate and decline. It's a wonderful piece. We

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01:37:22,600 --> 01:37:25,479
Speaker 1: put the link in the description. People should read through

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01:37:25,520 --> 01:37:27,320
Speaker 1: the whole thing, and we really appreciate you taking the

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Speaker 1: time to break it down for us. Bob, Thank you, sir.

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Speaker 1: I've been a fantom many years. Yeah, thanks for having

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01:37:32,560 --> 01:37:35,760
Speaker 1: me pleasure. Thank you guys so much for watching. We

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01:37:35,800 --> 01:37:37,920
Speaker 1: really appreciate it. I mean I said this during the

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01:37:38,520 --> 01:37:41,120
Speaker 1: fake news block, but it's been a real wake up

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01:37:41,160 --> 01:37:43,599
Speaker 1: call I think February, you know, I mean, watching this

1749
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Speaker 1: all transverse the Rogan thing and apparently that's just disappeared now.

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01:37:48,120 --> 01:37:52,160
Speaker 1: But look, US Intelligence they brand zero Hedge with no evidence.

1751
01:37:52,280 --> 01:37:55,400
Speaker 1: They say he's Russian propaganda. Boom Twitter puts, I'll filter

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Speaker 1: on them. They can do that to us any day.

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Speaker 1: You know. Part of our premiums subscribers in our Ama,

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Speaker 1: which comes out on Sunday, I'll give away one of

1755
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Speaker 1: the questions like have you prepared for cancelation? The answer

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Speaker 1: is yes, the business is prepared. But it's because we

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01:38:08,320 --> 01:38:11,280
Speaker 1: rely on people like you with our premium subscribers. Look,

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01:38:11,320 --> 01:38:13,679
Speaker 1: we may be the number one political podcast in America

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Speaker 1: today for the record on the charts, but they can

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Speaker 1: destroy you in a second. And we notice and we

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01:38:21,439 --> 01:38:23,720
Speaker 1: see the trends that are happening, and we thank you

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01:38:23,760 --> 01:38:25,160
Speaker 1: all for those who have showed up and for those

1763
01:38:25,160 --> 01:38:28,400
Speaker 1: of you who support us, because it's been a crazy

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Speaker 1: time here and we rely on you guys so much.

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Speaker 1: So thank you. Indeed, you guys have been there for us,

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Speaker 1: and it has been I mean, it's just it's essential,

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Speaker 1: like it would not work any other way. Dead. Yeah, truly.

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Speaker 1: We have some wonderful content that's coming out this weekend

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Speaker 1: that I'm really excited about. We've got another new announcement

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Speaker 1: for you next week that will be I think that

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Speaker 1: we'll be able to bring to you about hopefully another

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Speaker 1: little edition and maybe some special events that we have

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Speaker 1: planned for the future, so stay tuned for all of that.

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Speaker 1: In the meantime, enjoy your weekend, have a wonderful time.

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