1 00:00:01,240 --> 00:00:01,640 Speaker 1: Welcome. 2 00:00:01,680 --> 00:00:04,360 Speaker 2: It is Verdic with Center, Ted Kruz, Ben Ferguson with 3 00:00:04,400 --> 00:00:06,080 Speaker 2: you and many of you listening on the radio around 4 00:00:06,120 --> 00:00:06,560 Speaker 2: the country. 5 00:00:06,600 --> 00:00:08,280 Speaker 1: It's so nice to have you with a center. 6 00:00:08,280 --> 00:00:11,039 Speaker 2: We've got a lot to talk about, including we're still 7 00:00:11,039 --> 00:00:13,840 Speaker 2: in a dead gum government shut down and Democrats seem 8 00:00:13,880 --> 00:00:16,000 Speaker 2: to be held bent on digging in hurting Americans. 9 00:00:16,760 --> 00:00:21,040 Speaker 3: Well, the Schumer shutdown continues. As of Friday, it was 10 00:00:21,200 --> 00:00:24,599 Speaker 3: day twenty four of the Schumer shutdown. The government remains 11 00:00:24,600 --> 00:00:29,000 Speaker 3: shut down. Federal employees are not getting paid. We had 12 00:00:29,040 --> 00:00:32,360 Speaker 3: a vote on the Senate floor on Thursday on Ron 13 00:00:32,440 --> 00:00:37,880 Speaker 3: Johnson's legislation, very simple legislation to pay government workers who 14 00:00:37,920 --> 00:00:40,720 Speaker 3: have to work, to have them actually pay their salaries. 15 00:00:40,720 --> 00:00:43,519 Speaker 3: In other words, essential workers, workers who are ordered to 16 00:00:43,520 --> 00:00:46,680 Speaker 3: come into work should get their salaries. It's a very simple, 17 00:00:46,720 --> 00:00:51,080 Speaker 3: common sense proposition. The Democrats voted no. The vote was 18 00:00:51,120 --> 00:00:55,680 Speaker 3: fifty four to forty five. So Warnock, Osoff, and Feederman 19 00:00:56,080 --> 00:00:59,640 Speaker 3: were the three Democrats who voted to pay the federal 20 00:00:59,640 --> 00:01:01,600 Speaker 3: workers that are being forced to work and are not 21 00:01:01,680 --> 00:01:05,600 Speaker 3: getting their paychecks, and every other Democrat voted no. No 22 00:01:05,760 --> 00:01:09,560 Speaker 3: paycheck for you. So we continue going through the weekend 23 00:01:09,640 --> 00:01:12,600 Speaker 3: next week. Next week, the Senate is going to take 24 00:01:12,680 --> 00:01:16,520 Speaker 3: up a series of votes uh to to try to 25 00:01:16,560 --> 00:01:18,720 Speaker 3: reopen the government again. We're going to break that down 26 00:01:18,880 --> 00:01:21,199 Speaker 3: what to expect in this next week and and when 27 00:01:21,240 --> 00:01:23,559 Speaker 3: and how this shutdown is going to end. We're also 28 00:01:23,560 --> 00:01:25,160 Speaker 3: going to talk to you about the need to fight 29 00:01:25,760 --> 00:01:28,640 Speaker 3: anti Semitism on the right. Anti Semitism is rising on 30 00:01:28,680 --> 00:01:30,760 Speaker 3: the right, and and and we need to stand up 31 00:01:30,800 --> 00:01:32,640 Speaker 3: and combat it. We're going to break that down for you. 32 00:01:33,200 --> 00:01:36,560 Speaker 3: We're going to talk about an individual who's been nominated 33 00:01:36,600 --> 00:01:42,520 Speaker 3: to be ambassador to Kuwait, who unfortunately has an extreme record, 34 00:01:42,560 --> 00:01:47,360 Speaker 3: a record of praising the Muslim brotherhood, of opposing President 35 00:01:47,400 --> 00:01:51,720 Speaker 3: Trump's foreign policy objectives and principles, and and and and 36 00:01:51,760 --> 00:01:54,080 Speaker 3: I called for his nomination to be rejected. We're going 37 00:01:54,160 --> 00:01:56,640 Speaker 3: to tell you all about that. 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All right, sat, So let's 75 00:03:56,040 --> 00:03:59,640 Speaker 2: start with where we are in the shutdown. It is amazing, 76 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:02,480 Speaker 2: actually thought there could be some movement this week. The 77 00:04:02,640 --> 00:04:05,120 Speaker 2: radical left and the Democratic Party clearly is saying no 78 00:04:05,240 --> 00:04:08,480 Speaker 2: to that. They want to hurt people right now. It 79 00:04:08,520 --> 00:04:11,720 Speaker 2: is hurting Americans, and they don't seem to care about that. 80 00:04:11,760 --> 00:04:13,600 Speaker 2: In fact, they seem to be proud of the fact 81 00:04:13,640 --> 00:04:14,440 Speaker 2: that people are hurting. 82 00:04:15,040 --> 00:04:15,720 Speaker 4: Well they are. 83 00:04:15,800 --> 00:04:18,960 Speaker 3: You have Democrats going on TV bragging that the shutdown 84 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:21,279 Speaker 3: gives them leverage, although it's not clear what they want 85 00:04:21,360 --> 00:04:24,719 Speaker 3: leverage for other than their demand that illegal aliens get 86 00:04:24,720 --> 00:04:28,839 Speaker 3: free taxpayer funded health care, and that demand is going 87 00:04:28,880 --> 00:04:32,760 Speaker 3: nowhere and is wildly unpopular with the American people. This 88 00:04:32,880 --> 00:04:35,839 Speaker 3: shutdown is really just about politics, though, It's about the 89 00:04:35,839 --> 00:04:39,039 Speaker 3: fact that Chuck Schumer in March, when the Democrats worked 90 00:04:39,040 --> 00:04:42,000 Speaker 3: with Republicans to keep the government open, his left wing 91 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:44,599 Speaker 3: base got furious and he almost lost his job. They 92 00:04:44,640 --> 00:04:48,680 Speaker 3: almost fired him. And so this is his saying screw 93 00:04:48,760 --> 00:04:52,880 Speaker 3: you to President Trump. This is hit Chuck Schumer and 94 00:04:52,920 --> 00:04:55,719 Speaker 3: the Democrats trying to prove to their radical base, to 95 00:04:55,720 --> 00:04:58,800 Speaker 3: everyone who's marching in those No Kings rallies, that they 96 00:04:58,839 --> 00:05:00,920 Speaker 3: hate Donald Trump as my much as the radicals do. 97 00:05:01,120 --> 00:05:05,080 Speaker 3: And and sadly that means the government stays shut and 98 00:05:05,120 --> 00:05:07,320 Speaker 3: there are a lot of real consequences. As I said 99 00:05:07,360 --> 00:05:11,080 Speaker 3: on Thursday, the Democrats, almost straight party line, voted not 100 00:05:11,240 --> 00:05:13,560 Speaker 3: to pay the federal workers who are forced to go 101 00:05:13,640 --> 00:05:16,120 Speaker 3: in and work. And by the way, the Association of 102 00:05:16,160 --> 00:05:20,320 Speaker 3: Federal Workers both active and retired, supported this this provision. 103 00:05:20,800 --> 00:05:24,919 Speaker 3: Democrats are normally always, you know, always eager to be 104 00:05:24,960 --> 00:05:27,320 Speaker 3: supporting federal workers. Well they just voted none of them 105 00:05:27,320 --> 00:05:31,279 Speaker 3: get paid. Next week, next week we're going to vote 106 00:05:31,360 --> 00:05:35,279 Speaker 3: on legislation from Dan Sullivan that I'm a co sponsor 107 00:05:35,320 --> 00:05:38,120 Speaker 3: of that will pay our troops, pay our soldiers and 108 00:05:38,160 --> 00:05:41,279 Speaker 3: sailors and airmen and Marines and pay our coast guardsmen. 109 00:05:42,080 --> 00:05:44,640 Speaker 3: And my suspicion is the Democrats are going to vote 110 00:05:44,680 --> 00:05:47,640 Speaker 3: now that they don't want to pay our active duty military. Now. 111 00:05:47,720 --> 00:05:50,560 Speaker 3: Right now, the military is being paid because President Trump 112 00:05:50,880 --> 00:05:54,039 Speaker 3: has reallocated funds from another portion of the budget. But 113 00:05:54,200 --> 00:05:55,760 Speaker 3: this is going to be a straight up vote, do 114 00:05:55,800 --> 00:05:58,480 Speaker 3: you want to pay the military or not. My suspicion 115 00:05:58,600 --> 00:06:02,120 Speaker 3: is that the Democrat Party is radical enough they'll vote no. 116 00:06:02,839 --> 00:06:05,560 Speaker 3: We're also going to vote next week on legislation I 117 00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:11,200 Speaker 3: filed to pay those concerned with air travel. So right now, Ben, 118 00:06:12,040 --> 00:06:15,920 Speaker 3: there are roughly fifty thousand TSA workers who are going 119 00:06:15,960 --> 00:06:18,240 Speaker 3: into work and they're not getting paid. They don't get 120 00:06:18,240 --> 00:06:23,600 Speaker 3: a paycheck. There are roughly fourteen thousand air traffic controllers 121 00:06:23,920 --> 00:06:26,360 Speaker 3: who are going into work and they're not getting paid. 122 00:06:26,360 --> 00:06:28,240 Speaker 3: They don't get a paycheck. Now, the result of that, 123 00:06:29,080 --> 00:06:32,120 Speaker 3: we're seeing more and more flight delays, We're seeing more 124 00:06:32,120 --> 00:06:34,840 Speaker 3: and more cancelations. Just a couple of days ago, Houston's 125 00:06:34,839 --> 00:06:37,919 Speaker 3: Hobby Airport had a ground stop. They had a groundstop 126 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:40,479 Speaker 3: why because of a shortage of air traffic controllers. And 127 00:06:40,520 --> 00:06:43,320 Speaker 3: this problem will only get worse. I'll tell you a 128 00:06:43,440 --> 00:06:47,839 Speaker 3: senior Democrat aide told Politico that the shutdown will continue 129 00:06:47,960 --> 00:06:53,560 Speaker 3: quote until planes start falling from the sky. Wow, that's 130 00:06:53,600 --> 00:06:57,040 Speaker 3: not remotely funny. It is reckless, it is dangerous, and 131 00:06:57,080 --> 00:07:01,200 Speaker 3: it is imposing real costs on the American people. And so, now, 132 00:07:01,279 --> 00:07:01,719 Speaker 3: by the way, is. 133 00:07:01,720 --> 00:07:04,760 Speaker 2: There any accountability for that individual so far that we 134 00:07:04,800 --> 00:07:05,200 Speaker 2: know of. 135 00:07:05,440 --> 00:07:07,680 Speaker 3: It was an anonymous quote. So I suspect we'll never 136 00:07:07,720 --> 00:07:08,480 Speaker 3: know who said that. 137 00:07:09,440 --> 00:07:10,360 Speaker 1: But amazing. 138 00:07:10,880 --> 00:07:14,360 Speaker 3: The bottom line is, And by the way, if this 139 00:07:14,720 --> 00:07:18,520 Speaker 3: shutdown continues through Thanksgiving, Thanksgiving is the busiest travel time 140 00:07:18,640 --> 00:07:22,200 Speaker 3: of the year. And if the Democrats have been forcing 141 00:07:22,200 --> 00:07:25,080 Speaker 3: air traffic controllers to work for a month with no pay, 142 00:07:26,160 --> 00:07:30,640 Speaker 3: you can predict real shortages and delays and cancelations that 143 00:07:30,640 --> 00:07:33,680 Speaker 3: will impact Americans across this country. Now, I'll tell you 144 00:07:33,720 --> 00:07:35,760 Speaker 3: something that'll make you mad. Ben. You know who is 145 00:07:35,800 --> 00:07:39,840 Speaker 3: being paid? Who's that Democrat politicians? Oh? 146 00:07:39,920 --> 00:07:41,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, because they didn't do what you did. By the way, 147 00:07:41,640 --> 00:07:44,000 Speaker 2: another conservatives are like, don't pay me during the shutdown. 148 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:45,080 Speaker 2: We don't need to get paid. 149 00:07:45,760 --> 00:07:48,560 Speaker 3: So under the Constitution, the twenty eighth Amendment to the 150 00:07:48,560 --> 00:07:52,880 Speaker 3: Constitution provides that members of Congress cannot have their salary 151 00:07:52,920 --> 00:07:57,040 Speaker 3: altered during their term in office. And so that means constitutionally, 152 00:07:57,080 --> 00:07:59,640 Speaker 3: even when the governments shut down, members of Congress keep 153 00:07:59,640 --> 00:08:03,160 Speaker 3: their page coming. Now, as you just noted, you don't 154 00:08:03,200 --> 00:08:05,600 Speaker 3: have to do that. And when this shutdown started, I 155 00:08:05,680 --> 00:08:08,320 Speaker 3: sent a letter to the Secretary of the Senate and 156 00:08:08,360 --> 00:08:11,320 Speaker 3: I said, please hold my paycheck, do not pay me. 157 00:08:11,400 --> 00:08:14,000 Speaker 3: I do not want to accept a penny of salary 158 00:08:14,800 --> 00:08:18,360 Speaker 3: unlessen until the government opens up. Un lesson, until our 159 00:08:18,400 --> 00:08:20,760 Speaker 3: soldiers and sailors and airmen and marines are being paid. 160 00:08:20,760 --> 00:08:23,160 Speaker 3: A lesson until our air traffic controllers are being paid, 161 00:08:23,160 --> 00:08:26,080 Speaker 3: and all the federal workers, our border patrol agents are 162 00:08:26,080 --> 00:08:30,160 Speaker 3: being paid, our FBI agents are being paid. Virtually every 163 00:08:30,160 --> 00:08:32,840 Speaker 3: Democrat in the House and Senate has said, no, keep 164 00:08:32,840 --> 00:08:34,959 Speaker 3: my paycheck going. I'm going to take away yours. But 165 00:08:35,840 --> 00:08:38,720 Speaker 3: you know me, the Democrat politician, I need every penny 166 00:08:38,720 --> 00:08:39,400 Speaker 3: of my salary. 167 00:08:39,800 --> 00:08:40,120 Speaker 1: Center. 168 00:08:40,200 --> 00:08:42,640 Speaker 2: Let's talk about another big issue, and that is the 169 00:08:42,720 --> 00:08:44,160 Speaker 2: rise of anti Semitism. 170 00:08:44,559 --> 00:08:46,880 Speaker 1: But it's not just on the left. 171 00:08:47,360 --> 00:08:50,880 Speaker 2: We are witnessing it happen within the conservative movement as well, 172 00:08:50,920 --> 00:08:53,319 Speaker 2: and that is very concerning to me and you as well. 173 00:08:53,880 --> 00:08:57,440 Speaker 3: It is deeply concerning. So last weekend. Last Sunday night, 174 00:08:57,920 --> 00:09:01,000 Speaker 3: I was the keynote speaker at Christians United for Israel 175 00:09:01,120 --> 00:09:05,200 Speaker 3: at their annual night to honor Israel. And I was 176 00:09:05,200 --> 00:09:08,160 Speaker 3: in San Antonio at Cornerstone Church with Pastor John Hagy, 177 00:09:09,160 --> 00:09:11,880 Speaker 3: and I talked about I talked about number one, the 178 00:09:11,960 --> 00:09:15,160 Speaker 3: grief and tragedy of October seventh. Number two the incredible 179 00:09:15,200 --> 00:09:18,160 Speaker 3: military victory that Israel won and that President Trump won 180 00:09:19,320 --> 00:09:22,760 Speaker 3: against Iran. But then I also talked about about the 181 00:09:22,920 --> 00:09:25,600 Speaker 3: danger of rising anti Semitism. One of the points I 182 00:09:25,640 --> 00:09:28,720 Speaker 3: made is that we support Israel because it is in 183 00:09:28,880 --> 00:09:32,080 Speaker 3: America's national security interest to do so. Here give a 184 00:09:32,080 --> 00:09:36,080 Speaker 3: listen here, the United States provides roughly three billion dollars 185 00:09:36,160 --> 00:09:39,640 Speaker 3: in military assistance to Israel. The benefit we get from 186 00:09:39,640 --> 00:09:43,840 Speaker 3: that the massade, the intelligence resources. You look at Iran, 187 00:09:44,000 --> 00:09:46,840 Speaker 3: where they knew where every anti aircraft weapon was, every 188 00:09:46,880 --> 00:09:51,839 Speaker 3: military leader, every IRGC leader. That benefit. If America tried 189 00:09:51,880 --> 00:09:57,000 Speaker 3: to replicate that intelligence network, it would cost us tens 190 00:09:57,160 --> 00:10:01,720 Speaker 3: of billions of dollars. And I will tell you every 191 00:10:01,840 --> 00:10:06,480 Speaker 3: lunatic terrorist in Hamas or Hesbla or Iran that Israel 192 00:10:06,559 --> 00:10:09,719 Speaker 3: took out made America safer. In the United States of 193 00:10:09,760 --> 00:10:14,160 Speaker 3: America should say to that little nation, thank you, thank you, 194 00:10:14,720 --> 00:10:35,040 Speaker 3: thank you. That's why, as a matter of public policy, 195 00:10:35,080 --> 00:10:36,360 Speaker 3: we should support Israel. 196 00:10:36,600 --> 00:10:38,000 Speaker 1: Senator You're absolutely right there. 197 00:10:38,080 --> 00:10:40,880 Speaker 2: It is a bargain for what we get in response 198 00:10:40,960 --> 00:10:44,760 Speaker 2: to what Israel and their intelligence community does for us 199 00:10:44,800 --> 00:10:46,720 Speaker 2: to keep us safe and others around the world. 200 00:10:47,240 --> 00:10:50,240 Speaker 3: Well, when the terrorists chant death to Israel and death 201 00:10:50,280 --> 00:10:53,040 Speaker 3: to America, they mean it. When the Ayahtola refers to 202 00:10:53,200 --> 00:10:56,360 Speaker 3: Israel as the little Satan and America is the great Satan, 203 00:10:56,440 --> 00:10:59,839 Speaker 3: he means it. And when Israel is taking out those terrorists, 204 00:11:00,160 --> 00:11:03,559 Speaker 3: Israel is saving American lives. But I also took them 205 00:11:04,200 --> 00:11:07,640 Speaker 3: the opportunity of this keynote speech to directly address a 206 00:11:07,640 --> 00:11:10,200 Speaker 3: threat that I think a danger that is deeply concerning. 207 00:11:10,280 --> 00:11:13,560 Speaker 3: That is the rise of anti Semitism on the right. 208 00:11:14,040 --> 00:11:19,160 Speaker 3: Here give a listen. But there is a danger that 209 00:11:19,280 --> 00:11:22,120 Speaker 3: is very real, and we've talked about anti semitism. 210 00:11:22,320 --> 00:11:22,560 Speaker 4: Listen. 211 00:11:22,600 --> 00:11:26,960 Speaker 3: About a decade ago, anti Semitism began rising on the 212 00:11:27,000 --> 00:11:30,600 Speaker 3: left and the Democratic Party did nothing, and in the 213 00:11:30,640 --> 00:11:35,160 Speaker 3: decade that followed it has consumed the Democrat Party. I 214 00:11:35,240 --> 00:11:38,679 Speaker 3: do not believe this is exaggeration to say there is 215 00:11:38,720 --> 00:11:43,160 Speaker 3: a real and meaningful pro Hamas contingent of the Democrat 216 00:11:43,160 --> 00:11:46,800 Speaker 3: Party in Washington, and the remainder of the Democrats are 217 00:11:47,000 --> 00:11:50,679 Speaker 3: terrified of the pro Hamas contingent. 218 00:11:51,720 --> 00:11:52,240 Speaker 1: We know that. 219 00:11:53,120 --> 00:11:55,120 Speaker 3: But the danger that I want to highlight to you 220 00:11:55,200 --> 00:11:58,160 Speaker 3: tonight is not anti Semitism on the left. It is 221 00:11:58,160 --> 00:12:01,480 Speaker 3: anti Semitism on the right. And I'm here to tell you, 222 00:12:01,520 --> 00:12:05,439 Speaker 3: in the last six months, I have seen anti Semitism 223 00:12:05,559 --> 00:12:08,000 Speaker 3: rising on the right in a way I have never 224 00:12:08,080 --> 00:12:14,360 Speaker 3: seen it in my entire life. Listen, Kufi is extraordinary. 225 00:12:14,600 --> 00:12:18,760 Speaker 3: The work that Kufi does is desperately, desperately needed. But 226 00:12:18,840 --> 00:12:24,640 Speaker 3: I'm here to tell you the church is asleep right now. 227 00:12:30,760 --> 00:12:33,200 Speaker 3: If I pick up my phone and send out a tweet, 228 00:12:33,200 --> 00:12:37,120 Speaker 3: if I say good morning, within minutes, I will have 229 00:12:37,559 --> 00:12:44,480 Speaker 3: hundreds of blatantly anti Semitic responses. When Prime Minister det 230 00:12:44,520 --> 00:12:46,600 Speaker 3: and Yahoo was here a few months ago, I sat 231 00:12:46,640 --> 00:12:48,600 Speaker 3: down with him for a couple of hours. I raised 232 00:12:48,600 --> 00:12:51,720 Speaker 3: this issue with him and his first reaction was he said, well, 233 00:12:51,720 --> 00:12:55,719 Speaker 3: that's cutter, that's Iran. They're paying for it. It's AstroTurf. 234 00:12:57,320 --> 00:13:02,080 Speaker 3: And I said, mister Prime Minister, yes, but no, yes, 235 00:13:02,320 --> 00:13:04,880 Speaker 3: Cutter and Iran are clearly paying for it, and there 236 00:13:04,880 --> 00:13:07,360 Speaker 3: are bots, and they are putting real money behind it. 237 00:13:07,600 --> 00:13:11,040 Speaker 3: But I am telling you this is real, It is organic. 238 00:13:11,240 --> 00:13:15,719 Speaker 3: These are real human beings and idiots spreading. In the 239 00:13:15,800 --> 00:13:18,880 Speaker 3: last year, we had three prominent voices on the right 240 00:13:20,360 --> 00:13:25,200 Speaker 3: publicly muse, gosh, maybe Hitler wasn't that bad a guy 241 00:13:25,320 --> 00:13:31,920 Speaker 3: after all, Yes he was. He was the embodiment of evil. 242 00:13:39,520 --> 00:13:42,360 Speaker 3: And I asked Prime Minister Netanya, who, I said, imagine 243 00:13:42,400 --> 00:13:47,520 Speaker 3: how different American political history would have been if rush 244 00:13:47,640 --> 00:13:52,920 Speaker 3: Limbaugh had been an anti Semite instead of a philo Semite. 245 00:13:53,160 --> 00:13:57,800 Speaker 3: We would have a fundamentally different country if rush Limbaugh 246 00:13:57,840 --> 00:14:05,240 Speaker 3: had spent years spreading poor I want to tell, especially folks. 247 00:14:07,600 --> 00:14:08,079 Speaker 4: That are no. 248 00:14:08,080 --> 00:14:12,720 Speaker 3: Longer teenagers, are in your twenties, this poison of anti 249 00:14:12,720 --> 00:14:16,520 Speaker 3: Semitism on the right, It is spreading with young people. 250 00:14:18,720 --> 00:14:25,520 Speaker 3: It is gaining traction. Part of it is philosophical. There's 251 00:14:25,560 --> 00:14:29,520 Speaker 3: an isolationism. So they will argue, what business do we 252 00:14:29,680 --> 00:14:34,560 Speaker 3: have supporting Israel? Why should America support Israel? It's their problem. 253 00:14:34,680 --> 00:14:38,680 Speaker 3: Let them deal with it. Then let me give you 254 00:14:38,720 --> 00:14:42,360 Speaker 3: an answer, as someone elected to represent thirty one million Texans, 255 00:14:42,400 --> 00:14:46,400 Speaker 3: and fight every day for your jobs, your freedom, and 256 00:14:46,440 --> 00:14:52,840 Speaker 3: your safety and security. The United States supports Israel not 257 00:14:53,040 --> 00:14:55,880 Speaker 3: because we are helping out a down on his luck neighbor. 258 00:14:55,960 --> 00:14:58,960 Speaker 3: We're not engaged in a charity act. The United States 259 00:14:59,000 --> 00:15:02,480 Speaker 3: supports Israel be because it is unequivocally in the national 260 00:15:02,520 --> 00:15:05,880 Speaker 3: security interests of the United States to support Israel. 261 00:15:09,200 --> 00:15:11,080 Speaker 2: I couldn't agree with you more of their centator. By 262 00:15:11,080 --> 00:15:13,040 Speaker 2: the way, and I think most people listening right now, 263 00:15:13,960 --> 00:15:17,960 Speaker 2: it's true. You've got to remind younger people why it 264 00:15:18,040 --> 00:15:20,360 Speaker 2: is important to stand with Israel because of so much 265 00:15:20,440 --> 00:15:22,800 Speaker 2: anti Semitism we're witnessing now, even on the right. 266 00:15:24,000 --> 00:15:27,040 Speaker 3: Well, and that's where it's spreading, and that's where it's dangerous. 267 00:15:27,040 --> 00:15:29,040 Speaker 3: And I don't want us to make the mistake that 268 00:15:29,080 --> 00:15:31,640 Speaker 3: the left made a decade ago of sitting there silently. 269 00:15:31,680 --> 00:15:33,760 Speaker 3: And I'll tell you in particular, my call was to 270 00:15:33,880 --> 00:15:36,640 Speaker 3: church leaders wake up. You know, you look at the polling, 271 00:15:37,160 --> 00:15:39,680 Speaker 3: at the number of young Christians who are turning away 272 00:15:39,680 --> 00:15:43,120 Speaker 3: from Israel, and it is really sad that they're being misled, 273 00:15:43,800 --> 00:15:47,000 Speaker 3: but they're being misled, and they're very few pastors who 274 00:15:47,040 --> 00:15:51,520 Speaker 3: are standing up and speaking the truth, speaking teaching biblical 275 00:15:51,600 --> 00:15:55,160 Speaker 3: truth that there are very few who are engaging and 276 00:15:55,240 --> 00:15:59,360 Speaker 3: confronting these lies. And I think if we do nothing, 277 00:16:00,120 --> 00:16:02,800 Speaker 3: will wake up in a few years and the Republican 278 00:16:02,840 --> 00:16:05,400 Speaker 3: Party will be lost like the Democrat Party is lost. 279 00:16:05,400 --> 00:16:09,520 Speaker 3: That will have two anti Israel parties. 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Needless to say, there were some 319 00:18:23,720 --> 00:18:31,080 Speaker 2: fireworks involved in this ambassadorship conversation and debate and confirmation hearing. 320 00:18:31,320 --> 00:18:33,640 Speaker 1: You were involved in that break it down for us. 321 00:18:34,720 --> 00:18:34,920 Speaker 4: Well. 322 00:18:34,960 --> 00:18:38,560 Speaker 3: Sure, the Trump administration has named as the Ambassador to 323 00:18:38,600 --> 00:18:42,879 Speaker 3: Quate an individual named Amer Ghalib, who was the mayor 324 00:18:42,960 --> 00:18:49,520 Speaker 3: of Hamtrak, Michigan. Amerghalib is a Democrat, a Democrat mayor, 325 00:18:49,560 --> 00:18:52,920 Speaker 3: and in twenty twenty four he endorsed President Trump in 326 00:18:53,240 --> 00:18:55,840 Speaker 3: the election campaign, and then that resulted in his being 327 00:18:55,880 --> 00:19:00,359 Speaker 3: nominated to be Ambassador to Quait. The problem, however, is 328 00:19:00,840 --> 00:19:05,080 Speaker 3: that mister Ghalib's record is really extreme and it is 329 00:19:05,520 --> 00:19:09,439 Speaker 3: very far out of touch with President Trump's record, with 330 00:19:09,560 --> 00:19:11,879 Speaker 3: his positions, with his beliefs, and with the positions of 331 00:19:11,880 --> 00:19:14,320 Speaker 3: the United States. And so we had a hearing this 332 00:19:14,359 --> 00:19:16,520 Speaker 3: week in front of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee where 333 00:19:16,520 --> 00:19:19,840 Speaker 3: I questioned mister Ghalib on his record. One of the 334 00:19:19,880 --> 00:19:23,520 Speaker 3: things in his record, he's publicly praised the Muslim Brotherhood. 335 00:19:23,560 --> 00:19:27,240 Speaker 3: He said he finds the Muslim Brotherhood to be an inspiration. Now, 336 00:19:27,280 --> 00:19:30,320 Speaker 3: I believe the Muslim Brotherhood is a terrorist organization. I 337 00:19:30,440 --> 00:19:34,639 Speaker 3: filed legislation to designate the Muslim Brotherhood is a terrorist organization, 338 00:19:34,680 --> 00:19:37,080 Speaker 3: and I think the Trump administration is likely to do so, 339 00:19:37,200 --> 00:19:41,000 Speaker 3: and so mister Ghlib's record is squarely out of step 340 00:19:41,040 --> 00:19:43,560 Speaker 3: with President Trump's views. Here give a listen to my 341 00:19:43,640 --> 00:19:48,639 Speaker 3: questioning mister Ghalib on the Muslim Brotherhood. August of twenty twenty, 342 00:19:48,800 --> 00:19:54,199 Speaker 3: you posted that the Muslim Brotherhood was an inspiration. Do 343 00:19:54,240 --> 00:19:57,320 Speaker 3: you continue to believe the Muslim Brotherhood is an inspiration? 344 00:19:57,760 --> 00:19:58,520 Speaker 4: Thank you, senator. 345 00:19:58,800 --> 00:20:01,000 Speaker 5: I think a lot of I post written in an 346 00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:08,040 Speaker 5: Arabican and mistransplated. I believe that you know there there is. 347 00:20:08,320 --> 00:20:11,040 Speaker 5: It's an ideology. It's not just a group of people. 348 00:20:11,359 --> 00:20:13,440 Speaker 5: I disagree with a lot of things that they do. 349 00:20:13,560 --> 00:20:15,760 Speaker 5: Some of them are extreamith some of them are part 350 00:20:15,800 --> 00:20:18,320 Speaker 5: of some governments in them Addle East. So I trust 351 00:20:18,359 --> 00:20:20,000 Speaker 5: our government to do the research. 352 00:20:20,080 --> 00:20:24,439 Speaker 3: And Okay, again, my question was simple and straightforward. Do 353 00:20:24,520 --> 00:20:27,240 Speaker 3: you continue to believe the Muslim Brotherhood is an inspiration? 354 00:20:27,640 --> 00:20:29,600 Speaker 4: No, I'm not part of that. I don't believe in that. 355 00:20:29,680 --> 00:20:32,280 Speaker 3: But if anybody you did post it in twenty twenty, 356 00:20:32,359 --> 00:20:35,040 Speaker 3: let me ask you how would you be able to 357 00:20:35,080 --> 00:20:38,879 Speaker 3: serve as an ambassador if President Trump designates the Muslim 358 00:20:38,920 --> 00:20:42,360 Speaker 3: Brotherhood as a terrorist organization, I have legislation to do that. 359 00:20:42,840 --> 00:20:45,880 Speaker 3: I believe it is likely the Trump administration will designate 360 00:20:45,920 --> 00:20:48,879 Speaker 3: the Muslim Brotherhood is a terrorist organization hamas is the 361 00:20:48,920 --> 00:20:51,320 Speaker 3: Muslim Brotherhood in Palestine. 362 00:20:52,640 --> 00:20:56,240 Speaker 5: I would trust the President, and then if it's designated, 363 00:20:56,680 --> 00:21:03,280 Speaker 5: be committed to implement President Trump's post. I'm not you know, 364 00:21:03,320 --> 00:21:06,400 Speaker 5: I trust the President's policy and it confirmed that would 365 00:21:06,400 --> 00:21:09,040 Speaker 5: be implementing the policies of the administration. I mean, I'm 366 00:21:09,480 --> 00:21:12,160 Speaker 5: I wouldn't go against the President and his policies. 367 00:21:11,760 --> 00:21:15,680 Speaker 3: To mister Gerlie, but I will say from your long 368 00:21:15,720 --> 00:21:20,080 Speaker 3: standing public positions, it appears you have a deep felt 369 00:21:20,680 --> 00:21:23,399 Speaker 3: and passionate view about the Middle East, but it is 370 00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:26,760 Speaker 3: a view that is in direct conflict with the policy 371 00:21:26,800 --> 00:21:29,080 Speaker 3: positions of President Trump in this administration. 372 00:21:30,200 --> 00:21:32,520 Speaker 2: I mean, you listen to his background as you just 373 00:21:32,560 --> 00:21:35,240 Speaker 2: described it. How did this get to the point where 374 00:21:35,240 --> 00:21:37,840 Speaker 2: we're actually having a confirmation hearing for him? 375 00:21:39,520 --> 00:21:42,800 Speaker 3: I don't know. I think this was largely a political decision. 376 00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:46,000 Speaker 3: He was a Democrat mayor in Michigan who endorsed President Trump. 377 00:21:46,040 --> 00:21:48,680 Speaker 3: And it's not unusual that that that that's something like 378 00:21:48,720 --> 00:21:53,080 Speaker 3: an ambassadorship rewards someone who did something politically beneficial and 379 00:21:53,160 --> 00:21:56,520 Speaker 3: helped President Trump win the state of Michigan. But but 380 00:21:56,600 --> 00:21:59,360 Speaker 3: I don't know that that that the team did. Did 381 00:21:59,359 --> 00:22:03,480 Speaker 3: it particularly dive into his record as the mayor of Hamtrak, 382 00:22:06,480 --> 00:22:12,120 Speaker 3: that city passed a resolution calling for BDS, calling to boycott, divest, 383 00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:15,359 Speaker 3: and sanctioned israelis the first city in America to pass 384 00:22:15,400 --> 00:22:18,879 Speaker 3: a BDS resolution that is directly contrary to President Trump's policy. 385 00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:23,680 Speaker 3: It's directly contrary, uh to to US foreign policy. Not 386 00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:30,120 Speaker 3: not only that, but but mister glib Uh describes Saddam 387 00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:36,119 Speaker 3: Hussein as a martyr. And at the same time, he 388 00:22:37,040 --> 00:22:45,040 Speaker 3: also liked a Facebook comment that said all Jews are monkeys. 389 00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:51,919 Speaker 3: Now that is obviously anti Semitic, and he tried to 390 00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:54,560 Speaker 3: run away from it. But here, listen, I questioned him 391 00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:56,359 Speaker 3: on this record and how out of step it is 392 00:22:56,400 --> 00:23:03,199 Speaker 3: with President Trump. Give a listen. Do not understand is 393 00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:06,640 Speaker 3: how you could possibly serve as a United States ambassador 394 00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:10,720 Speaker 3: for President Trump in the Middle East when you have 395 00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:16,280 Speaker 3: passionate views, including having been a vocal opponent of the 396 00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:22,600 Speaker 3: Abraham Accords, the singular and most consequential accomplishment President Trump 397 00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:26,800 Speaker 3: has negotiated, and and your long standing views are to 398 00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:28,359 Speaker 3: publicly oppose the Abraham Accord. 399 00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:29,280 Speaker 4: Thank you, senator. 400 00:23:29,359 --> 00:23:31,440 Speaker 5: Let me be clear, I support that Brahma Cord, and 401 00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:34,840 Speaker 5: I think there's a golden opportunity to get everybody involved 402 00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:37,720 Speaker 5: in that. And let me be clear, in February of 403 00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:40,800 Speaker 5: twenty twenty two, as the mayor, the first thing I 404 00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:44,399 Speaker 5: did is to pass a resolution to condemn anti Semitism. 405 00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:47,600 Speaker 5: It's documented. That's what I perform in my official capacity. 406 00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:50,879 Speaker 5: The other things people are making assumptions based you know, 407 00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:52,000 Speaker 5: trying to judge my intention. 408 00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:54,960 Speaker 3: But you're I'm curious what a statement like all Jews 409 00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:57,200 Speaker 3: or Monkeys would that qualifies anti Semitism. 410 00:23:57,320 --> 00:24:01,400 Speaker 5: Well, that's somebody that wrote it who is mentally challenged. 411 00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:04,560 Speaker 3: My question is, does the statement all Jews or Monkeys? 412 00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:08,600 Speaker 3: Does that anti Semitism? I don't agree with this that 413 00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:09,920 Speaker 3: you're not answering my question. 414 00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:13,280 Speaker 5: It's definitely intestimoni, But clicking on it doesn't mean I 415 00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:13,880 Speaker 5: endorse it. 416 00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:17,240 Speaker 3: It's actually like it means exactly that when you like something, 417 00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:18,440 Speaker 3: it means you no center. 418 00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:23,639 Speaker 5: Every post since twenty ten every comment, because I used 419 00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:25,879 Speaker 5: to have like ten twenty comments. I used to acknowledge 420 00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:28,359 Speaker 5: it to read it, but sometimes I would respond under 421 00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:30,439 Speaker 5: it to oppose it. And there was a response here 422 00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:33,400 Speaker 5: that wasn't translated by the media that says you cannot 423 00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:36,159 Speaker 5: say this in your country. It wasn't translated, and I 424 00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:37,840 Speaker 5: was when I. 425 00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:40,240 Speaker 3: Not disagreeing with the statement that all Jews are monkeys. 426 00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:42,400 Speaker 5: But let me be clear, now, I disagree with that 427 00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:44,200 Speaker 5: and I but you didn't at the time. 428 00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:47,520 Speaker 4: You are making assumption, cirt, I'm asking. 429 00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:48,760 Speaker 3: I'm not making an assumption. 430 00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:50,760 Speaker 5: That's why I did disagree at the time, and I 431 00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:51,520 Speaker 5: still disagree. 432 00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:53,960 Speaker 3: Did you disagree publicly? Did you say a word of 433 00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:57,800 Speaker 3: disagreement or was your only public statement a like, which 434 00:24:57,840 --> 00:25:00,439 Speaker 3: is the universal method of saying you like something and 435 00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:01,080 Speaker 3: agree with it. 436 00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:03,800 Speaker 5: Everybody who asked me, I told them it doesn't mean 437 00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:04,520 Speaker 5: I endorse it. 438 00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:05,960 Speaker 4: It's just technology reading it. 439 00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:08,680 Speaker 5: But I am opposing that, and I make it clear 440 00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:11,639 Speaker 5: now I pass a resolution to condemn anti Semitism in 441 00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:13,800 Speaker 5: all forms of shape. 442 00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:18,280 Speaker 3: So you mentioned earlier that the posts were in Arabic 443 00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:22,520 Speaker 3: and they haven't been translated, right, I have in my 444 00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:25,600 Speaker 3: hands right now one of those Arabic posts on August thirteenth, 445 00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:30,000 Speaker 3: twenty twenty, and I have the English translation. Among other 446 00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:37,640 Speaker 3: things you talk about, you talk about individuals who died 447 00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:40,320 Speaker 3: in Egyptian prisons, and you said quote they die to 448 00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:43,199 Speaker 3: be etched on the pages of history, stained in positions 449 00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:49,280 Speaker 3: that inspire generations and make millions of Brotherhood fans exposed 450 00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:55,720 Speaker 3: to a global demonic campaign and unprecedented demonic media infliction. 451 00:25:56,920 --> 00:26:00,600 Speaker 3: I have only seen such situations in the March Sadam 452 00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:04,240 Speaker 3: Hussein and his companions. May God have mercy on them. 453 00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:07,479 Speaker 5: Thank you Zana for that question. I was talking about 454 00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:10,840 Speaker 5: standing firm for the cause of a person, doesn't mean 455 00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:13,200 Speaker 5: I agree with him. I am a strong advocate of 456 00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:15,840 Speaker 5: democracy in them at least. Yes, I was against the 457 00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:20,359 Speaker 5: military coup and I believe in democracy. That's the best 458 00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:23,080 Speaker 5: value that we have and we want everybody to enjoy 459 00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:27,359 Speaker 5: that value in the Middle East. So I was advocating 460 00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:30,760 Speaker 5: for democracy in the add least. Doesn't mean that I 461 00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:33,840 Speaker 5: support certain group, but I support democracy and. 462 00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:37,320 Speaker 3: Well, as I said, I think your long standing views 463 00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:40,720 Speaker 3: are directly contrary to the views and positions of President 464 00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:43,919 Speaker 3: Trump and to the position of the United States, I 465 00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:45,560 Speaker 3: for one am not going to be able to support 466 00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:51,480 Speaker 3: your confirmation. And I want to enter into the record 467 00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:55,560 Speaker 3: this post in both the Arabic and English translation. I 468 00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:56,960 Speaker 3: asked that it be entered into the record. 469 00:26:57,000 --> 00:26:58,960 Speaker 1: It'll be entered into the record without objection. 470 00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:05,080 Speaker 3: And look, I think the facts here are quite clear, 471 00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:09,280 Speaker 3: and your long standing position is directly contrary to that 472 00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:10,000 Speaker 3: of the presidents. 473 00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:12,800 Speaker 2: So where do we go from here? I mean, this 474 00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:16,000 Speaker 2: seems to be pretty damning. Are any of your colleagues 475 00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:19,119 Speaker 2: rallying behind this? And what was the reaction in the 476 00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:20,600 Speaker 2: room and also afterwards? 477 00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:24,000 Speaker 3: So I don't know what the result will be. I 478 00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:27,080 Speaker 3: think we'll see this nomination withdrawn. I think the White 479 00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:30,560 Speaker 3: House will make the decision to withdraw this nomination. If 480 00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:32,800 Speaker 3: they don't, I will vote now. I'll vote no one committee, 481 00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:34,760 Speaker 3: and I'll vote no on the floor. And I don't 482 00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:37,760 Speaker 3: think this individual will be confirmed. But let's take one 483 00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:48,000 Speaker 3: component where this fellow refers to Sodom Hussein as a martyr. Now, now, 484 00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:52,720 Speaker 3: mind you, he's being nominated to be the ambassador to Kuwait. 485 00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:57,760 Speaker 3: Kuwait is the country that Sodom is saying invaded that 486 00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:00,879 Speaker 3: started the first Iraq War, that George Trobert Walker Bush 487 00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:05,399 Speaker 3: went in to liberate Kuwait. So the American ambassador to 488 00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:09,560 Speaker 3: Kuwait is someone who describes Saddam Hussein, who was toppled 489 00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:14,200 Speaker 3: by America, as a martyr, it's not possible for him 490 00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:18,719 Speaker 3: to do his job and faithfully represent President Trump. And 491 00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:21,679 Speaker 3: by the way, as I said, he vocally opposed the 492 00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:26,480 Speaker 3: Abraham Accords, President Trump negotiated the Abraham Accords, bringing Arabs 493 00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:31,120 Speaker 3: and Israelis together. And this individual, I think he believes 494 00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:36,119 Speaker 3: every word he's saying. He spent his entire life passionately advocating, 495 00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:40,760 Speaker 3: praising the Muslim brotherhood, praising Saddam Hussein. Those are not 496 00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:43,760 Speaker 3: the views or position of President Trump or the United 497 00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:46,440 Speaker 3: States of America. And that's why I believe that this 498 00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:49,640 Speaker 3: individual is not going to be a US ambassador to Kwait. 499 00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:53,320 Speaker 2: Center it's time for us to talk about China, and 500 00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:55,880 Speaker 2: a lot of people are talking about the economic issues 501 00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:59,880 Speaker 2: with China, sanctions and tariffs. The subject we're about to 502 00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:02,400 Speaker 2: talk about is what I hope people share everywhere on 503 00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:04,720 Speaker 2: social media. This is why we do this show, and 504 00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:08,280 Speaker 2: it's so important, and this is what's happening in China, 505 00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:12,320 Speaker 2: cracking down on Christianity right now and is not being 506 00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:14,959 Speaker 2: talked about enough well. 507 00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:17,960 Speaker 3: Communist China has a terrible record when it comes to 508 00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:22,440 Speaker 3: religious liberty and religious persecution, and in particular the persecution 509 00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:27,760 Speaker 3: of Christians, and China has for decades persecuted Christians in China, 510 00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:31,560 Speaker 3: but recently they've been cracking down and it's been getting 511 00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:34,320 Speaker 3: worth So here's how I put it to Fox News 512 00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:38,440 Speaker 3: this week. The Chinese Communist Party is conducting yet another 513 00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:43,600 Speaker 3: sweeping crackdown on Christians, and they're again targeting Pastor Gin 514 00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:48,680 Speaker 3: and the Zion Church. The CCP fears anything it cannot 515 00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:54,920 Speaker 3: directly control, perhaps most of all faith. The United States 516 00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:59,000 Speaker 3: has powerful tools to provide protection and relief to people 517 00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:03,280 Speaker 3: facing persecution and violence, and we should use those tools 518 00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:08,080 Speaker 3: unless and until China releases the members of the Zion Church. 519 00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:14,280 Speaker 3: And what has happened is is China arrested several Christian leaders, 520 00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:18,080 Speaker 3: including the pastor of one of the country's biggest underground 521 00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:24,000 Speaker 3: evangelical church churches, and that's Pastor Jin Mingri, whose children 522 00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:31,040 Speaker 3: are US citizens. Grace Jin, who is Mingri's daughters, was 523 00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:33,840 Speaker 3: very kind but went out of her way to thank 524 00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:37,600 Speaker 3: me for fighting to release her father from prison. And 525 00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:41,600 Speaker 3: here's what Grace Jen said. She said, quote his efforts 526 00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:45,080 Speaker 3: demonstrate that the world is watching on as the Chinese 527 00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:50,720 Speaker 3: government unjustly imprisons pastors and church leaders for the peaceful 528 00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:54,280 Speaker 3: exercise of their faith. Thank you to the leaders here 529 00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:58,080 Speaker 3: and abroad for all the support and solidarity. 530 00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:00,680 Speaker 2: And centat This is the I think part that's so 531 00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:03,719 Speaker 2: frustrating for me and so many listening is this has 532 00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:07,080 Speaker 2: been happening for so long, and because so many countries 533 00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:10,920 Speaker 2: do business with China, they have deliberately looked the other 534 00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:14,160 Speaker 2: way because they're basically saying, Hey, we'd rather just get 535 00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:17,160 Speaker 2: along and do trade and get cheap Chinese goods and 536 00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:19,400 Speaker 2: actually hold them account for what they're doing to Christians. 537 00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:23,240 Speaker 3: Well, that's happening far too often. And we've discussed before 538 00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:27,080 Speaker 3: on this podcast the persecution the mass murder of Christians 539 00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:30,680 Speaker 3: in Nigeria. Nigeria the most Christians are murdered for their 540 00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:32,760 Speaker 3: faith of any country on earth, and I've been leading 541 00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:37,000 Speaker 3: the effort to hold Nigeria do account well in China. Likewise, 542 00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:39,320 Speaker 3: for my entire time in the Senate, I've been vocal 543 00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:44,520 Speaker 3: speaking out for Christians being persecuted in China and this crackdown. Actually, 544 00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:48,320 Speaker 3: next week President Trump is going to Asia and is 545 00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:52,760 Speaker 3: gonna meet with with President She of China. And so 546 00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:58,280 Speaker 3: just this past week I introduced a bipartisan resolution condemning 547 00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:03,760 Speaker 3: China's persecution of Christians in particular and Pastor Gin and 548 00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:06,640 Speaker 3: and and I was joined by Chris Coons. Chris is 549 00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:10,240 Speaker 3: a Democrat, uh and and and Chris is someone who 550 00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:13,480 Speaker 3: cares deeply about religious liberty. And so we joined together 551 00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:18,320 Speaker 3: with a bipartisan resolution calling on China to release Pastor Gin, 552 00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:21,880 Speaker 3: to stop targeting the Zion Church, to release the pastors 553 00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:24,800 Speaker 3: and the Christians who've been imprisoned, and and and to 554 00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:31,760 Speaker 3: cease engaging in persecution of religious liberty writ broadly and 555 00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:33,080 Speaker 3: and of Christians in particular. 556 00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:36,680 Speaker 2: It really is one of those it's that is frustrating. 557 00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:38,840 Speaker 2: And now this comes back to the issue of leverage. 558 00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:42,320 Speaker 2: Is this going to be enough leverage to possibly see 559 00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:45,200 Speaker 2: a change here, because one thing that we've learned is 560 00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:48,560 Speaker 2: China only responds when their pocketbook gets hurt. And if 561 00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:50,880 Speaker 2: they don't think we have the political will to stand 562 00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:53,600 Speaker 2: up for Christians, uh, then they're going to continue to 563 00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:56,360 Speaker 2: persecute them no matter what that's just their mo. 564 00:32:58,520 --> 00:32:58,960 Speaker 4: They are. 565 00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:01,800 Speaker 3: But but they respond to pressure. They respond to pressure 566 00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:05,040 Speaker 3: in two forms. Number one to being publicly called out, 567 00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:08,240 Speaker 3: to having light shine on their oppression. And number two, 568 00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:10,960 Speaker 3: they respond to economic leverage. And President Trump is very 569 00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:14,080 Speaker 3: effective at employing economic leverage. I think we should do both. 570 00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:20,480 Speaker 3: Our bipartisan resolution is aimed at quote, expressing condemnation of 571 00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:24,600 Speaker 3: the Chinese Communist parties persecution of Christians and reaffirming the 572 00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:29,480 Speaker 3: United States's global commitment to promote religious freedom and tolerance. 573 00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:32,760 Speaker 3: And it also includes a demand that the Chinese Communist 574 00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:36,800 Speaker 3: Party respect the human right to freedom of religion and 575 00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:42,080 Speaker 3: end all forms of violence and discrimination against religious minorities. 576 00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:48,040 Speaker 3: And the resolution notes the CCP's actions mark the largest 577 00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:54,040 Speaker 3: coordinated nationwide crackdown against a Christian urban house church in 578 00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:58,600 Speaker 3: more than forty years. It also notes that the US 579 00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:03,160 Speaker 3: Commission on International Religeious Freedom designated China as a country 580 00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:08,000 Speaker 3: of quote particular concern for religious freedom every single year 581 00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:12,360 Speaker 3: since nineteen ninety eight, and Pastor Jin of the Zion 582 00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:19,560 Speaker 3: Church was detained by Chinese authorities, and indeed that came 583 00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:24,400 Speaker 3: as nearly thirty Zion Church pastors and workers were likewise 584 00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:32,080 Speaker 3: detained or went missing across Beijing, sen Jing, Shanghai, Chendo, Behai, Jingshing, 585 00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:36,799 Speaker 3: and huang Do. And I apologize for my Chinese pronunciation. 586 00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:38,400 Speaker 1: I forgive you. 587 00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:44,839 Speaker 3: But here's what Grace Jen said about this, and she's 588 00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:49,760 Speaker 3: Pastor Jen's daughter. One after another they were also taken 589 00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:53,960 Speaker 3: detained like they were saying that they were people outside 590 00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:56,760 Speaker 3: the doors. Then one at a time they were taken 591 00:34:56,880 --> 00:35:02,560 Speaker 3: into custody. This is wrong. And President Trump has an 592 00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:05,239 Speaker 3: opportunity when he is in Asia, when he is with 593 00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:10,239 Speaker 3: President She, to call on President She to release these pastors, 594 00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:13,600 Speaker 3: release Pastor Jin, release the Christians who are being persecuted, 595 00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:17,719 Speaker 3: and stop persecuting people of faith. And I think the 596 00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:21,480 Speaker 3: United States has a responsibility to be a voice for 597 00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:26,120 Speaker 3: religious liberty across the country, to defend Christians when they're persecuted, 598 00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:29,719 Speaker 3: to defend Jews when they're persecuted, to defend people of 599 00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:32,719 Speaker 3: faith all across the world. You know, you look at 600 00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:36,640 Speaker 3: radical Islamic terrorists, many of them target and persecute other 601 00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:41,359 Speaker 3: Muslims who are not violent. And I think religious persecution 602 00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:45,799 Speaker 3: is wrong regardless of who the victims are, and we 603 00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:49,160 Speaker 3: should be a voice for religious liberty. Now, that doesn't 604 00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:53,520 Speaker 3: mean that America should go and invade China to try 605 00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:55,600 Speaker 3: to break the pastor out of jail. But there are 606 00:35:55,640 --> 00:35:59,560 Speaker 3: lots of tools that the president can use, including the 607 00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:04,520 Speaker 3: bully hopeit of the presidency, including shining a light, and 608 00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:09,960 Speaker 3: including also economic leverage to try to stop this persecution. 609 00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:13,000 Speaker 3: And I very much hope President Trump will do so 610 00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:13,719 Speaker 3: in the coming week. 611 00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:17,359 Speaker 2: Yeah, you and I both hope that final question on this. 612 00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:21,279 Speaker 2: As you watch President trumpet pressure not just on China 613 00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:23,920 Speaker 2: but other countries, it does seem to be that his 614 00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:27,040 Speaker 2: foreign policy now is if there is a wrong that 615 00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:29,800 Speaker 2: needs to be discussed, it's going to be on the table, 616 00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:32,520 Speaker 2: front and center. That is pretty different from what we've 617 00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:35,000 Speaker 2: seen in past administrations where they're like, well, maybe it's 618 00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:36,640 Speaker 2: not the time to bring that up. Right now, he 619 00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:38,200 Speaker 2: seems to be willing to bring it all up. 620 00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:43,520 Speaker 3: You're absolutely right, and strong American leadership can stand up 621 00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:47,800 Speaker 3: to tyrannies. The Soviet Union was terrified of Ronald Reagan. 622 00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:50,120 Speaker 3: That's how we won the Cold War without firing a shot, 623 00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:52,640 Speaker 3: and communist China and our enemies across the globe are 624 00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:55,680 Speaker 3: terrified of Donald Trump. 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