1 00:00:00,800 --> 00:00:03,520 Speaker 1: Chip and I are here with Adam Biga, also known 2 00:00:03,600 --> 00:00:08,240 Speaker 1: as the Princess. Hi, Adam, Hi, thank you for being 3 00:00:08,280 --> 00:00:11,480 Speaker 1: here with us. Yes, absolutely excited to be here. Thank you. 4 00:00:11,960 --> 00:00:15,000 Speaker 1: We were talking before and you and I met literally 5 00:00:15,040 --> 00:00:18,920 Speaker 1: almost a decade ago, which is so crazy. Um, but 6 00:00:19,079 --> 00:00:21,040 Speaker 1: we were both working on this Jack White video. And 7 00:00:21,040 --> 00:00:24,159 Speaker 1: I actually mentioned last week on the podcast that I 8 00:00:24,239 --> 00:00:28,160 Speaker 1: learned so much about makeup from watching you do your makeup. 9 00:00:28,920 --> 00:00:34,560 Speaker 1: It was amazing that whole experience. What was fantastic, Yeah, 10 00:00:34,600 --> 00:00:37,640 Speaker 1: great time. It was the was it Lazaretto? I don't 11 00:00:37,640 --> 00:00:40,639 Speaker 1: even Lazaretto? Yeah, yeah, it was a crazy video. I'm 12 00:00:40,680 --> 00:00:43,560 Speaker 1: such a fan of his anyway, So everything's look cool 13 00:00:43,600 --> 00:00:46,239 Speaker 1: to me, and still to this day, I think is 14 00:00:46,440 --> 00:00:49,960 Speaker 1: one of the coolest videos and still stands up, you know, 15 00:00:50,280 --> 00:00:53,800 Speaker 1: ten twelve years later. It's so totally and I thought, 16 00:00:53,800 --> 00:00:55,319 Speaker 1: watch it. I don't think I've seen it. You've never 17 00:00:55,360 --> 00:00:57,600 Speaker 1: seen it, I don't think, so. Okay, So they show 18 00:00:57,680 --> 00:01:00,760 Speaker 1: you dressed as the Princess, which we'll get into in 19 00:01:00,800 --> 00:01:03,400 Speaker 1: a minute, but also that's your body right with all 20 00:01:03,400 --> 00:01:05,760 Speaker 1: the tattoos, Like were you not in drag for part 21 00:01:05,760 --> 00:01:08,800 Speaker 1: of it? Well, so that's kind of a. That's a 22 00:01:08,840 --> 00:01:11,759 Speaker 1: cool part of the story is they were looking for 23 00:01:11,840 --> 00:01:15,680 Speaker 1: a tall, blonde drag queen, so I fit that bill. 24 00:01:15,840 --> 00:01:19,600 Speaker 1: And then when Jack met me that day, he saw 25 00:01:19,680 --> 00:01:24,120 Speaker 1: me like in makeup but still not in costume, and 26 00:01:24,160 --> 00:01:28,440 Speaker 1: he's basically what would be considered my male body, and 27 00:01:28,480 --> 00:01:31,600 Speaker 1: he was like, uh, we need to put this in 28 00:01:31,640 --> 00:01:34,120 Speaker 1: the video too. So I got to be in there 29 00:01:34,200 --> 00:01:36,920 Speaker 1: as Adam and as the Princess, and it was It 30 00:01:36,959 --> 00:01:39,800 Speaker 1: was such a cool moment because Jack was such a 31 00:01:41,600 --> 00:01:45,160 Speaker 1: he such a down to earth cool guy, and the 32 00:01:45,160 --> 00:01:47,480 Speaker 1: fact that he was like, um and he went to 33 00:01:47,520 --> 00:01:50,040 Speaker 1: the directors and the producers and was like, um, we 34 00:01:50,080 --> 00:01:52,040 Speaker 1: need him in it too. I thought that was I 35 00:01:52,040 --> 00:01:54,360 Speaker 1: thought that was the coolest thing. And he's such high 36 00:01:54,560 --> 00:01:59,320 Speaker 1: art too, like everything, like absolutely thinks about every detail. 37 00:01:59,440 --> 00:02:06,000 Speaker 1: So woment gotta go check it out to. So we 38 00:02:06,280 --> 00:02:09,440 Speaker 1: every month have words as like our themes, and this 39 00:02:09,480 --> 00:02:13,200 Speaker 1: month's theme is metamorphosis, and so I couldn't think of 40 00:02:13,360 --> 00:02:16,760 Speaker 1: anything better to talk about than the transition from what 41 00:02:16,760 --> 00:02:18,800 Speaker 1: we're like what we just talked about, from Adam to 42 00:02:18,840 --> 00:02:23,200 Speaker 1: the Princess into drag. That is such a big, huge change, 43 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:27,120 Speaker 1: evolution everything that that word stands for and obviously in 44 00:02:27,200 --> 00:02:33,560 Speaker 1: Tennessee where we all are, there are just so many conversations, arguments, fights, 45 00:02:33,720 --> 00:02:35,800 Speaker 1: whatever you want to say, happening right now because they 46 00:02:35,840 --> 00:02:38,680 Speaker 1: just passed this huge bill that puts a lot of 47 00:02:38,720 --> 00:02:43,120 Speaker 1: restrictions on drag performance. So we talked about this last week, 48 00:02:43,160 --> 00:02:45,680 Speaker 1: but we're not really here to make some political argument, 49 00:02:45,680 --> 00:02:48,240 Speaker 1: although that may come up some because we all think 50 00:02:48,280 --> 00:02:51,760 Speaker 1: this is really ridiculous, but we want to show people 51 00:02:52,560 --> 00:02:55,320 Speaker 1: just the other side of drag and also, like, to me, 52 00:02:55,440 --> 00:02:59,680 Speaker 1: it's such a creative expression and so artistic, and knowing 53 00:02:59,760 --> 00:03:03,200 Speaker 1: like that I got to witness the transition happening was 54 00:03:03,240 --> 00:03:04,880 Speaker 1: so exciting for me, and so I just want to 55 00:03:04,919 --> 00:03:07,720 Speaker 1: talk about that. Can you kind of walk us through 56 00:03:07,960 --> 00:03:10,840 Speaker 1: your story, Like, how did you even start in drag? 57 00:03:10,840 --> 00:03:12,760 Speaker 1: I read a bunch about you wanting to just be 58 00:03:12,800 --> 00:03:16,440 Speaker 1: a performer your entire life? Is that true? Yeah? After 59 00:03:16,520 --> 00:03:21,160 Speaker 1: I graduated high school, I didn't have any you know, 60 00:03:21,639 --> 00:03:24,080 Speaker 1: my eyes weren't set on college by any means. I 61 00:03:24,160 --> 00:03:27,440 Speaker 1: was this free spirit and just wanted to do art 62 00:03:27,440 --> 00:03:30,480 Speaker 1: in some form. But I was also very into pop culture, 63 00:03:30,560 --> 00:03:32,160 Speaker 1: so I was like, well, I kind of want to 64 00:03:32,160 --> 00:03:34,040 Speaker 1: be on Broadway I kind of want to be a 65 00:03:34,080 --> 00:03:36,840 Speaker 1: pop star. I can't sing worth a lick, but I 66 00:03:36,920 --> 00:03:39,160 Speaker 1: was like, how do I get to do that? Well, 67 00:03:39,200 --> 00:03:41,800 Speaker 1: then the universe took me to my first direct show 68 00:03:41,840 --> 00:03:44,800 Speaker 1: when I was eighteen, and I it just like a 69 00:03:44,920 --> 00:03:48,920 Speaker 1: lightning bolt hit me literally and was like, oh my goodness, 70 00:03:49,080 --> 00:03:52,360 Speaker 1: that's it. That's what I'm supposed to be doing. And 71 00:03:53,040 --> 00:03:56,480 Speaker 1: ever since then, I've been doing that and that has 72 00:03:56,520 --> 00:03:59,400 Speaker 1: been my career for twenty three years. Jeez, do you 73 00:03:59,400 --> 00:04:02,600 Speaker 1: have a drag mom? I don't. I was kind of 74 00:04:02,640 --> 00:04:08,240 Speaker 1: born of myself because in Nebraska where I started, um, 75 00:04:08,240 --> 00:04:11,640 Speaker 1: it was considered what is called pageant drags. So it's 76 00:04:11,760 --> 00:04:14,800 Speaker 1: very gowns and up dues. And remember this is in 77 00:04:14,840 --> 00:04:18,040 Speaker 1: the late nineties two by the way, um so uh, 78 00:04:18,040 --> 00:04:21,080 Speaker 1: and your shoes meshed your dress, and earrings meshed the 79 00:04:21,160 --> 00:04:24,000 Speaker 1: dress and like so it was very well put together. 80 00:04:24,160 --> 00:04:28,160 Speaker 1: And me when I started, I was not that. I 81 00:04:28,240 --> 00:04:30,080 Speaker 1: was not put together. I wanted to be a little 82 00:04:30,080 --> 00:04:32,560 Speaker 1: bit messy. I wanted to be a little you know, 83 00:04:33,480 --> 00:04:35,840 Speaker 1: to the out and left field and be weird and 84 00:04:35,960 --> 00:04:38,120 Speaker 1: all that stuff. So nobody really wanted to take me 85 00:04:38,200 --> 00:04:40,440 Speaker 1: under their wing, so I had to. I had to 86 00:04:40,520 --> 00:04:44,279 Speaker 1: kind of uh, you know, forge my own path as 87 00:04:44,320 --> 00:04:47,080 Speaker 1: it were, So wait, can you guys go back? But 88 00:04:47,920 --> 00:04:51,279 Speaker 1: I could see it on I was like, what, mom, 89 00:04:51,760 --> 00:04:55,800 Speaker 1: So a drag mom is basically when you're first starting out, 90 00:04:55,839 --> 00:04:59,560 Speaker 1: you glom ont uh and I don't want to say 91 00:04:59,600 --> 00:05:03,039 Speaker 1: an eld about like a veteran drag queen and okay, 92 00:05:02,880 --> 00:05:05,159 Speaker 1: they teach you the ways and they show you the ways. 93 00:05:06,080 --> 00:05:08,960 Speaker 1: Meant it's a mentor mentor you would have you would 94 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:12,360 Speaker 1: have and then you would have a drag grandmother, then 95 00:05:12,400 --> 00:05:17,520 Speaker 1: you have a daughter. It's actually like a really amazing 96 00:05:17,600 --> 00:05:20,880 Speaker 1: thing to think about, like the community that it builds, 97 00:05:20,880 --> 00:05:24,080 Speaker 1: and like because there's traditions that like you don't know about. 98 00:05:24,120 --> 00:05:26,240 Speaker 1: Like if if you literally just step into the art 99 00:05:26,279 --> 00:05:29,120 Speaker 1: form as just like you're interested in makeup and you 100 00:05:29,640 --> 00:05:32,080 Speaker 1: live in a community that doesn't have any drag people 101 00:05:32,080 --> 00:05:34,480 Speaker 1: doing drag, like you might not know that, and then 102 00:05:34,480 --> 00:05:37,240 Speaker 1: you can they can like literally pull you into their world, 103 00:05:37,279 --> 00:05:39,880 Speaker 1: which is pretty amazing. Yeah, So if you didn't have 104 00:05:39,920 --> 00:05:42,800 Speaker 1: a drag mom, what what did you do? You're just 105 00:05:42,839 --> 00:05:45,840 Speaker 1: like thrown out to the wolves. Absolutely, And I gotta 106 00:05:45,880 --> 00:05:50,000 Speaker 1: tell you, Uh, this is before YouTube even existed. This 107 00:05:50,040 --> 00:05:52,800 Speaker 1: is before my Space even existed. So it's not like 108 00:05:52,800 --> 00:05:54,560 Speaker 1: you could just hop on the internet and be like, 109 00:05:54,920 --> 00:05:57,599 Speaker 1: oh well, let me type into Google. It was before Google. 110 00:05:57,600 --> 00:05:59,680 Speaker 1: It was like, let me google how you put on 111 00:05:59,800 --> 00:06:02,800 Speaker 1: drag you know, you can't. That one didn't exist. So 112 00:06:02,880 --> 00:06:07,799 Speaker 1: when you're doing shows and getting to do those type 113 00:06:07,800 --> 00:06:11,280 Speaker 1: of events, you're literally looking in the mirror sight eyeing 114 00:06:11,320 --> 00:06:16,599 Speaker 1: everybody else and like basically copying your your your classmates 115 00:06:16,640 --> 00:06:19,400 Speaker 1: notes kind of thing. You're like, uh, okay, I'm gonna 116 00:06:19,400 --> 00:06:24,040 Speaker 1: do that. I'm gonna do that. So yeah, trial by fire. Yeah, 117 00:06:24,080 --> 00:06:27,400 Speaker 1: it's so fascinating to me because drag make I mean 118 00:06:27,440 --> 00:06:30,679 Speaker 1: makeup is just transformative anyway. I think like as a woman, 119 00:06:30,760 --> 00:06:32,640 Speaker 1: you feel that you wake up and you're like, oh god, 120 00:06:32,640 --> 00:06:34,360 Speaker 1: don't look at me. I don't have my mask arrow 121 00:06:34,400 --> 00:06:38,000 Speaker 1: on or whatever. But drag makeup is a whole another level. 122 00:06:38,080 --> 00:06:41,400 Speaker 1: Like I remember watching you and you were putting glue 123 00:06:41,560 --> 00:06:44,760 Speaker 1: on your eyebrows I think or tape it was one 124 00:06:44,800 --> 00:06:47,559 Speaker 1: of them, and it was just like you completely change 125 00:06:47,560 --> 00:06:50,160 Speaker 1: the shape of your eye and you're removed where your 126 00:06:50,160 --> 00:06:52,880 Speaker 1: eyebrows were and all of that stuff. So if you 127 00:06:52,880 --> 00:06:56,200 Speaker 1: didn't have tutorials, you're watching like how what what did 128 00:06:56,240 --> 00:07:00,839 Speaker 1: that process look like of figuring that out? I mean, 129 00:07:01,800 --> 00:07:04,080 Speaker 1: as I was saying, it's just a trial and air, 130 00:07:04,160 --> 00:07:06,159 Speaker 1: trial and air, you keep doing it, and I believe 131 00:07:06,200 --> 00:07:09,040 Speaker 1: me for the first I want to say, handful of years, 132 00:07:09,080 --> 00:07:12,520 Speaker 1: I was not that pretty. It was it was, it was, 133 00:07:12,960 --> 00:07:16,280 Speaker 1: it was pretty rough, you know. Um. And also you 134 00:07:16,320 --> 00:07:19,360 Speaker 1: have to remember that there are so many more makeup 135 00:07:19,400 --> 00:07:22,920 Speaker 1: brands now there there's makeup brands are Diamond dozen and 136 00:07:23,120 --> 00:07:27,440 Speaker 1: quality makeup brand. Our Diamond doesn't whereas back then, uh, 137 00:07:27,680 --> 00:07:30,440 Speaker 1: you know you're going to the you know, makeup counter 138 00:07:30,600 --> 00:07:33,400 Speaker 1: at like, oh my goodness, the store at the big 139 00:07:33,440 --> 00:07:36,480 Speaker 1: store in omahaab Braska is Yonkers. But like you would 140 00:07:36,480 --> 00:07:38,840 Speaker 1: go to Dillards, you would go to you know, some 141 00:07:38,920 --> 00:07:41,880 Speaker 1: department store to get your makeup. You're not You're not 142 00:07:42,040 --> 00:07:46,480 Speaker 1: getting like these big fancy I don't shouldn't say big fancy, 143 00:07:46,560 --> 00:07:49,320 Speaker 1: but you know what I mean, like drag specific makeup 144 00:07:49,320 --> 00:07:54,160 Speaker 1: brands that exist now that are huge companies that didn't 145 00:07:54,160 --> 00:07:56,760 Speaker 1: exist back then. So yeah, I'm literally going you know, 146 00:07:57,400 --> 00:08:00,160 Speaker 1: to Essay Lauder and to the MATC counter and all 147 00:08:00,200 --> 00:08:02,400 Speaker 1: that stuff, saying um, I need this, and them looking 148 00:08:02,400 --> 00:08:05,280 Speaker 1: at me like what. Yeah, I can't imagine that there 149 00:08:05,280 --> 00:08:07,640 Speaker 1: were many boys going to that counter and like, yeah, 150 00:08:07,680 --> 00:08:11,720 Speaker 1: what does this nineteen twenty year old need with pancake? 151 00:08:11,880 --> 00:08:15,160 Speaker 1: You know, like a compact full of you know, old 152 00:08:15,200 --> 00:08:18,920 Speaker 1: lady makeup kind of thing. Yeah, what is such an 153 00:08:19,040 --> 00:08:22,040 Speaker 1: artistic expression? And we were at a drag show this weekend. 154 00:08:22,080 --> 00:08:24,240 Speaker 1: I was Tony this before. Do you remember that one 155 00:08:24,720 --> 00:08:27,160 Speaker 1: that one drag queen that I was so obsessed with 156 00:08:27,200 --> 00:08:30,360 Speaker 1: because her makeup was so pretty. I mean like when 157 00:08:30,360 --> 00:08:32,480 Speaker 1: I say, I couldn't stop looking at it because it 158 00:08:32,559 --> 00:08:35,600 Speaker 1: was like a painting almost. It was just so exquisite. 159 00:08:35,760 --> 00:08:39,400 Speaker 1: Were you ever into anything else creative, like paint or 160 00:08:39,440 --> 00:08:43,480 Speaker 1: anything like that? Oh? Absolutely. Growing up I was always 161 00:08:43,559 --> 00:08:46,600 Speaker 1: into I was really into drawing. I thought I wanted 162 00:08:46,640 --> 00:08:51,000 Speaker 1: to draw comic books for a while. I when I 163 00:08:51,040 --> 00:08:53,120 Speaker 1: was in high school, I looked into go into the 164 00:08:53,240 --> 00:08:58,160 Speaker 1: Art Institute in Kansas City. Um, and uh, they take 165 00:08:58,200 --> 00:09:03,160 Speaker 1: a lot of people into when Hallmark cards were like 166 00:09:03,280 --> 00:09:06,840 Speaker 1: the thing back in the day, like the art Hallmark 167 00:09:07,280 --> 00:09:11,040 Speaker 1: took from the Art Institute in Kansas City quite a bit. 168 00:09:11,080 --> 00:09:12,520 Speaker 1: And so I thought that I thought that was going 169 00:09:12,559 --> 00:09:14,560 Speaker 1: to be my trajectory, was going to go be like 170 00:09:14,880 --> 00:09:17,199 Speaker 1: a greeting card designer kind of thing. How long does 171 00:09:17,200 --> 00:09:21,240 Speaker 1: it take to create, like, on average, a costume? How 172 00:09:21,280 --> 00:09:24,520 Speaker 1: much time do you put into it these days? I mean, honestly, like, 173 00:09:25,480 --> 00:09:27,480 Speaker 1: I source out a lot of my stuff because I 174 00:09:27,520 --> 00:09:30,120 Speaker 1: work five days a week, I'm performing five days a week, 175 00:09:30,160 --> 00:09:32,160 Speaker 1: and on my days off, the last thing I want 176 00:09:32,200 --> 00:09:35,720 Speaker 1: to do is also create while I'm at home, because 177 00:09:35,920 --> 00:09:39,440 Speaker 1: that creating your costumes are also a full time job 178 00:09:39,480 --> 00:09:42,480 Speaker 1: in and of itself. Even doing hair is a full 179 00:09:42,480 --> 00:09:45,160 Speaker 1: time job. And then so when you're putting an entire 180 00:09:45,200 --> 00:09:48,240 Speaker 1: look together, I mean, could I spit something out in 181 00:09:48,240 --> 00:09:51,320 Speaker 1: a day? Absolutely? Do I want to know, because I 182 00:09:51,360 --> 00:09:55,840 Speaker 1: still need to decompress from from working five nights a week, 183 00:09:55,920 --> 00:10:00,320 Speaker 1: doing three shows a night kind of thing. So, and 184 00:10:00,800 --> 00:10:03,640 Speaker 1: everybody that I'm on castwith kind of has that same 185 00:10:03,679 --> 00:10:06,760 Speaker 1: mentality of like I would rather outsource my idea to 186 00:10:06,800 --> 00:10:09,040 Speaker 1: somebody and have them take it on and create it, 187 00:10:09,880 --> 00:10:13,320 Speaker 1: just so I can have some time to myself. I 188 00:10:13,360 --> 00:10:17,480 Speaker 1: was watching I was binging RuPaul's Drag Race today and 189 00:10:17,960 --> 00:10:21,480 Speaker 1: the season you're on, which is season four. Yeah, you 190 00:10:21,520 --> 00:10:24,840 Speaker 1: guys had to do these challenges in such a short 191 00:10:24,880 --> 00:10:27,280 Speaker 1: amount of time. I was like, how are they doing this? 192 00:10:27,800 --> 00:10:29,840 Speaker 1: Like it's like the same way I would feel about 193 00:10:29,840 --> 00:10:33,200 Speaker 1: Project Runway, Like you're creating this entire look. Can you 194 00:10:33,240 --> 00:10:37,120 Speaker 1: tell us how that kind of went? Yeah, And not 195 00:10:37,200 --> 00:10:40,120 Speaker 1: only are we creating them, uh, you know, in a 196 00:10:40,160 --> 00:10:44,800 Speaker 1: single day, but we're also being pulled aside to go 197 00:10:44,880 --> 00:10:48,720 Speaker 1: do the talking heads, you know those kinds, and those 198 00:10:48,800 --> 00:10:52,800 Speaker 1: can take you know, depending on what you're talking about 199 00:10:52,880 --> 00:10:54,640 Speaker 1: or how long you get caught in there, you can 200 00:10:54,679 --> 00:10:56,440 Speaker 1: be in there for an hour or two or more. 201 00:10:56,800 --> 00:10:59,400 Speaker 1: And so that's just time away from that you get 202 00:10:59,440 --> 00:11:02,400 Speaker 1: to create your look that you're trying to make. Um. 203 00:11:02,480 --> 00:11:07,440 Speaker 1: So yeah, it's an end just the added pressure of 204 00:11:07,559 --> 00:11:11,120 Speaker 1: being on uh you know, the reality competition, you know 205 00:11:11,320 --> 00:11:14,040 Speaker 1: that kind of thing too. So yeah, I keep a 206 00:11:14,240 --> 00:11:16,640 Speaker 1: um I mean, I think I've even talked about it 207 00:11:16,679 --> 00:11:18,800 Speaker 1: on here. I keep a list of drag queen names 208 00:11:18,800 --> 00:11:22,280 Speaker 1: in the I have a note of just characters. I 209 00:11:22,320 --> 00:11:24,040 Speaker 1: was a theater major too. I don't you know, I 210 00:11:24,080 --> 00:11:27,120 Speaker 1: work in music now, but something will just hit me 211 00:11:27,160 --> 00:11:29,240 Speaker 1: and I'm like, oh, that's a good drag queen. And 212 00:11:29,400 --> 00:11:32,360 Speaker 1: like some of them have like you know, whole stories. Um, 213 00:11:32,400 --> 00:11:34,880 Speaker 1: some of them have daughters and did you want to 214 00:11:34,880 --> 00:11:37,160 Speaker 1: get the tast of one of your ideas. I mean, 215 00:11:37,160 --> 00:11:39,760 Speaker 1: I feel like you always tease the listeners with this. 216 00:11:40,320 --> 00:11:43,480 Speaker 1: I mean, there's one named Beth Leftern. She's got a 217 00:11:43,480 --> 00:11:48,680 Speaker 1: list a list right, It's like they all have these stories. Yeah, 218 00:11:48,679 --> 00:11:54,559 Speaker 1: there's there's a there's um Laura Noorda. She's like a 219 00:11:54,559 --> 00:12:00,480 Speaker 1: woman from Lowing and Laura Orda. That's amazing. But there's 220 00:12:00,520 --> 00:12:05,439 Speaker 1: a lot of creativity, and yeah, it's fun. I mean 221 00:12:05,480 --> 00:12:08,800 Speaker 1: it sounds like a huge investment of time, money, effort, 222 00:12:08,880 --> 00:12:11,120 Speaker 1: all the things. And one of the things that it 223 00:12:11,320 --> 00:12:14,360 Speaker 1: keeps paying me is because I supposed to chip last week. Like, 224 00:12:14,440 --> 00:12:16,640 Speaker 1: the thing that I hate them most about what's going 225 00:12:16,679 --> 00:12:21,240 Speaker 1: on right now is that it feels like for people 226 00:12:21,320 --> 00:12:23,720 Speaker 1: who have had to fight to even have a voice 227 00:12:23,840 --> 00:12:26,360 Speaker 1: or to live freely, like it feels a little bit 228 00:12:26,400 --> 00:12:30,600 Speaker 1: like it's shifting backwards in this way of like, no, 229 00:12:30,720 --> 00:12:33,920 Speaker 1: you cannot be who you are and express who you 230 00:12:33,960 --> 00:12:37,600 Speaker 1: are without just like this immense amount of shame being 231 00:12:37,640 --> 00:12:41,200 Speaker 1: thrown around. And I don't like that. And so I 232 00:12:41,280 --> 00:12:45,360 Speaker 1: was wondering what your journey, like you decide you want 233 00:12:45,360 --> 00:12:47,280 Speaker 1: to be a drag queen? Was everyone in your life 234 00:12:47,280 --> 00:12:49,439 Speaker 1: just like cool, go do it and supportive or was 235 00:12:49,480 --> 00:12:51,680 Speaker 1: this something you've really had to fight even more for 236 00:12:52,360 --> 00:12:55,320 Speaker 1: emotionally and like mentally to like get to the place 237 00:12:55,360 --> 00:12:58,600 Speaker 1: of accepting yourself and saying like, this is something that 238 00:12:58,640 --> 00:13:00,920 Speaker 1: I'm really passionate about and I want to do regardless 239 00:13:00,920 --> 00:13:04,360 Speaker 1: of what others say. Yeah, And that's such a good 240 00:13:04,400 --> 00:13:07,640 Speaker 1: question because it's basically a second coming out. Not only 241 00:13:07,679 --> 00:13:11,000 Speaker 1: did I have to come out as as a gay man, 242 00:13:11,600 --> 00:13:14,400 Speaker 1: I also when I started to do this and do 243 00:13:14,520 --> 00:13:17,120 Speaker 1: drag and do it regularly, and then when I really 244 00:13:17,160 --> 00:13:18,880 Speaker 1: wanted to make it my career, I had to come 245 00:13:18,880 --> 00:13:25,000 Speaker 1: out again. And to you know, little mom Pau speaking 246 00:13:25,000 --> 00:13:28,480 Speaker 1: of my parents back home in small town Omaha, Nebraska, 247 00:13:28,640 --> 00:13:31,880 Speaker 1: they're like, what what do you Yeah, you put a 248 00:13:31,920 --> 00:13:35,559 Speaker 1: wig on, you put heels on. And then my mom 249 00:13:35,559 --> 00:13:41,680 Speaker 1: and my stepdad are amazing. They're absolutely just wonderful people. 250 00:13:41,720 --> 00:13:44,760 Speaker 1: They're my biggest fans. They've been to my shows several times. 251 00:13:46,040 --> 00:13:49,160 Speaker 1: But then my dad and my stepmom they disowned me. 252 00:13:49,200 --> 00:13:51,000 Speaker 1: They told me to change my name, they told me 253 00:13:51,040 --> 00:13:53,360 Speaker 1: to move far away, you know, all that stuff, and 254 00:13:53,520 --> 00:13:56,400 Speaker 1: that this has been you know, almost two decades ago. 255 00:13:56,440 --> 00:14:00,920 Speaker 1: Since that happened, So it's no longer it's no longer 256 00:14:01,000 --> 00:14:04,400 Speaker 1: a point of like hurt or whatever. But you know, 257 00:14:04,440 --> 00:14:07,400 Speaker 1: they had a very negative reaction and we still haven't spoken, 258 00:14:07,559 --> 00:14:12,440 Speaker 1: so and part of me equated it to h they've 259 00:14:12,520 --> 00:14:15,520 Speaker 1: kind of And I just want to say this to 260 00:14:16,080 --> 00:14:21,000 Speaker 1: everybody listening. I think sex work is work. I think 261 00:14:21,040 --> 00:14:24,840 Speaker 1: that that stripping is that if that is what you do, 262 00:14:24,920 --> 00:14:28,520 Speaker 1: I'm not against that, but my parents thought that doing 263 00:14:28,600 --> 00:14:32,800 Speaker 1: drag was like stripping basically because we do get tipped 264 00:14:32,840 --> 00:14:37,720 Speaker 1: while we're performing. And so they just saw stage female 265 00:14:38,400 --> 00:14:42,000 Speaker 1: dollar bills. It's dirty, it's awful, it's whatever it is. 266 00:14:42,120 --> 00:14:47,680 Speaker 1: And so and I never got I never got them 267 00:14:47,680 --> 00:14:49,760 Speaker 1: to come around, and that's on them, you know, I 268 00:14:49,800 --> 00:14:52,520 Speaker 1: got to live my life kind of thing. But so, yeah, 269 00:14:52,640 --> 00:14:56,520 Speaker 1: so with all this stuff happening, it is it's like 270 00:14:56,720 --> 00:15:00,640 Speaker 1: it almost feels like I'm being forced back into the closet, 271 00:15:00,920 --> 00:15:05,840 Speaker 1: the drag closet, because I'm they you know, the State 272 00:15:05,840 --> 00:15:07,600 Speaker 1: of Tennessee is saying they don't want to see this, 273 00:15:07,680 --> 00:15:11,840 Speaker 1: they think it's hurting children. But I gotta say specifically, 274 00:15:11,840 --> 00:15:16,280 Speaker 1: where I work, I'm not we are behind closed doors. 275 00:15:16,360 --> 00:15:18,480 Speaker 1: You have to pay to get in it's already eighteen 276 00:15:18,520 --> 00:15:21,280 Speaker 1: and up, so leave us alone. We're not doing anything 277 00:15:21,280 --> 00:15:23,360 Speaker 1: to you. We're not doing anything to your children. And 278 00:15:23,360 --> 00:15:27,960 Speaker 1: I understand that they're talking about, you know, uh, drag 279 00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:31,840 Speaker 1: queen story hour at libraries with children and drag brunches 280 00:15:31,920 --> 00:15:36,040 Speaker 1: and pride and stuff like that, but it's it's like 281 00:15:37,120 --> 00:15:39,120 Speaker 1: if you ever went to a drag show, if you 282 00:15:39,160 --> 00:15:41,840 Speaker 1: ever went to a drag queen story hour, none of 283 00:15:41,880 --> 00:15:44,800 Speaker 1: this is hurting the children that they're proclaiming that they're 284 00:15:44,920 --> 00:15:48,200 Speaker 1: they're saving, you know, or they're protecting kind of thing. 285 00:15:50,480 --> 00:15:53,240 Speaker 1: As someone who has been to drag shows, I know, like, 286 00:15:53,440 --> 00:15:55,920 Speaker 1: is some of the language inappropriate, of course, but there's 287 00:15:56,280 --> 00:15:59,120 Speaker 1: there's It's not like a drag queen at a story 288 00:15:59,200 --> 00:16:03,040 Speaker 1: time is like pop that puss kids, Like that was 289 00:16:03,080 --> 00:16:05,240 Speaker 1: the line that they kept saying, day, let's pop that puss, 290 00:16:05,480 --> 00:16:08,880 Speaker 1: But like that's not what they're literally reading stories to children. 291 00:16:10,160 --> 00:16:14,960 Speaker 1: And you know, I just implore anybody who is um 292 00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:19,400 Speaker 1: injecting their voice into this conversation from a place of ignorance, 293 00:16:19,400 --> 00:16:21,360 Speaker 1: And I don't mean that as as a as a 294 00:16:21,440 --> 00:16:24,720 Speaker 1: terrible word, but like, if you don't know, go to 295 00:16:24,800 --> 00:16:27,560 Speaker 1: a drag show, find the joy in it, see how 296 00:16:27,640 --> 00:16:31,200 Speaker 1: much fun it is. Because again I think it's just 297 00:16:31,720 --> 00:16:35,440 Speaker 1: um people are making decisions out of fear and not 298 00:16:35,520 --> 00:16:38,600 Speaker 1: even knowing, And it's you shouldn't have an opinion about 299 00:16:38,600 --> 00:16:41,640 Speaker 1: something unless you've actually looked into it. You know, it's 300 00:16:41,680 --> 00:16:43,400 Speaker 1: okay to be like I don't know, I don't have 301 00:16:43,400 --> 00:16:47,160 Speaker 1: an opinion, like I don't know anything about it, or 302 00:16:47,200 --> 00:16:50,520 Speaker 1: just say I'm scared of this, like it's weird too. 303 00:16:50,600 --> 00:16:53,640 Speaker 1: I could not agree more with that, because I think 304 00:16:53,680 --> 00:16:57,320 Speaker 1: so many people nowadays speak without having any experience, without 305 00:16:57,440 --> 00:17:01,200 Speaker 1: having any part of what they're speaking on. They're just 306 00:17:01,480 --> 00:17:05,160 Speaker 1: regurgitating what they saw on Facebook or what they read 307 00:17:05,240 --> 00:17:07,320 Speaker 1: on Facebook, or you know that kind of thing. And 308 00:17:07,359 --> 00:17:09,720 Speaker 1: you're exactly right to go to a drag show. I 309 00:17:09,800 --> 00:17:12,160 Speaker 1: dare you to go to a drag show and see 310 00:17:12,200 --> 00:17:15,040 Speaker 1: something that is not full of joy and full of 311 00:17:15,119 --> 00:17:18,440 Speaker 1: excitement for the person in the audience. I will say that, 312 00:17:19,080 --> 00:17:22,119 Speaker 1: um it, there there is some language that may not 313 00:17:22,200 --> 00:17:25,600 Speaker 1: be appropriate because you know, you know, the F bomb 314 00:17:25,640 --> 00:17:27,960 Speaker 1: is dropped or you know that kind of thing. But 315 00:17:28,080 --> 00:17:31,400 Speaker 1: also when when most shows are aware that there are 316 00:17:31,480 --> 00:17:35,120 Speaker 1: children in the audience, they they shift that and they 317 00:17:35,200 --> 00:17:37,200 Speaker 1: they're like, okay, well, we're not going to use foul 318 00:17:37,280 --> 00:17:40,080 Speaker 1: language kind of thing, you know, right, yeah, right, Well, 319 00:17:40,080 --> 00:17:41,880 Speaker 1: I think the fear that a lot of people have 320 00:17:42,119 --> 00:17:44,600 Speaker 1: is that with this bill passing, it's just going to 321 00:17:44,720 --> 00:17:48,080 Speaker 1: keep spiraling into more because I think it's like, you know, 322 00:17:48,280 --> 00:17:50,800 Speaker 1: the place you work, Adam, you said, is still y'all 323 00:17:50,800 --> 00:17:56,280 Speaker 1: are still functioning totally normal, right, like nothing has changed, correct, Yeah, 324 00:17:56,359 --> 00:18:00,800 Speaker 1: But then it's like other places around the city, like 325 00:18:00,800 --> 00:18:04,000 Speaker 1: like I said, the brunches and stuff, they're fine until 326 00:18:04,200 --> 00:18:08,440 Speaker 1: April first, and then it's up to that business, restaurant 327 00:18:08,520 --> 00:18:12,800 Speaker 1: what have you to decide whether they'll continue and then 328 00:18:12,880 --> 00:18:15,280 Speaker 1: be eighteen it up or if they're just going to 329 00:18:15,520 --> 00:18:17,760 Speaker 1: not do it at all. And then you know, there's 330 00:18:17,800 --> 00:18:22,440 Speaker 1: also they want the drag performers to get licenses kind 331 00:18:22,440 --> 00:18:27,320 Speaker 1: of thing, just like a like an adult entertainer would 332 00:18:27,359 --> 00:18:30,760 Speaker 1: have to do, say stripper has to get a license 333 00:18:30,800 --> 00:18:32,840 Speaker 1: to strip. You would have to get a license to 334 00:18:32,880 --> 00:18:36,200 Speaker 1: do drag, which is the most asinine thing I've ever heard. 335 00:18:36,240 --> 00:18:40,320 Speaker 1: So now get a license for a gun. Oh but no, 336 00:18:40,480 --> 00:18:45,159 Speaker 1: that's okay, yeah, yeah, Like it's it's so ridiculous to 337 00:18:45,280 --> 00:18:47,919 Speaker 1: think that a person has to get a license to 338 00:18:47,960 --> 00:18:50,439 Speaker 1: do art. That's literally what it comes down to, in 339 00:18:50,480 --> 00:18:53,160 Speaker 1: the most plane of terms. In order to be a painter, 340 00:18:53,320 --> 00:18:56,399 Speaker 1: I paint my face every night, I have to you know, 341 00:18:57,080 --> 00:18:59,840 Speaker 1: get a license in order to sew my cost to 342 00:19:00,320 --> 00:19:01,560 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, I have to get a 343 00:19:01,600 --> 00:19:05,680 Speaker 1: look like it's so ridiculous, right yeah, And I mean 344 00:19:05,720 --> 00:19:09,719 Speaker 1: I think that, I know, I'm assuming that's the conversation 345 00:19:09,800 --> 00:19:13,359 Speaker 1: happening amongst the drag queens is just like, well, what's next, 346 00:19:13,440 --> 00:19:15,480 Speaker 1: because that's what I've read a lot. It's just like 347 00:19:16,080 --> 00:19:18,360 Speaker 1: if you do this, like it just feels like this 348 00:19:18,640 --> 00:19:24,159 Speaker 1: targeted attack slippery slope too, just a really slippery slope. 349 00:19:24,160 --> 00:19:28,360 Speaker 1: And I do think like drag queens aside, like we 350 00:19:28,520 --> 00:19:32,840 Speaker 1: all everyone in our community needs to like look at 351 00:19:32,920 --> 00:19:35,479 Speaker 1: this and be like, all of our rights are at 352 00:19:35,520 --> 00:19:38,840 Speaker 1: risk because if I feel that as a woman, as 353 00:19:38,880 --> 00:19:44,320 Speaker 1: a woman, and um, yeah, it's the I mean, there's 354 00:19:44,359 --> 00:19:47,879 Speaker 1: a there's a bill in the Tennessee House now that like, um, 355 00:19:48,119 --> 00:19:54,080 Speaker 1: would allow county clerks to deny LGBTQ couples marriage licenses, 356 00:19:54,119 --> 00:20:00,480 Speaker 1: but also interracial couples and interfaith couples. So um, you know, 357 00:20:00,520 --> 00:20:04,320 Speaker 1: it's like that is literally includes everybody. You know, if 358 00:20:04,359 --> 00:20:07,360 Speaker 1: you're if you're a Methodist trying to marry a Catholic, 359 00:20:07,600 --> 00:20:11,840 Speaker 1: they can say no. And that's absurd. It's crazy, Like 360 00:20:11,880 --> 00:20:14,840 Speaker 1: where does it stop and why? And like why are 361 00:20:14,840 --> 00:20:18,520 Speaker 1: we continuing to do this? A fight for like everyone 362 00:20:18,560 --> 00:20:21,160 Speaker 1: to be this cookie cutter, same image of each other, 363 00:20:21,280 --> 00:20:25,359 Speaker 1: Like that is not it. But but that's kind of 364 00:20:25,400 --> 00:20:27,200 Speaker 1: goes to what I was saying before, I think before 365 00:20:27,200 --> 00:20:31,640 Speaker 1: we started recording. There's a certain demographic of people who 366 00:20:31,800 --> 00:20:34,520 Speaker 1: are in power and they want everybody to be that, 367 00:20:35,040 --> 00:20:37,479 Speaker 1: and if you're not that, then you can leave the 368 00:20:37,480 --> 00:20:42,160 Speaker 1: state or fall in line basically right, And yeah, and 369 00:20:42,680 --> 00:20:45,960 Speaker 1: what Chip was saying that, especially in our community, we 370 00:20:46,040 --> 00:20:48,000 Speaker 1: need people to pay attention because it's not going to 371 00:20:48,080 --> 00:20:50,240 Speaker 1: stop if they keep getting away with it. It's not 372 00:20:50,280 --> 00:20:52,480 Speaker 1: going to stop with just drag queens. It's going to 373 00:20:52,560 --> 00:20:56,720 Speaker 1: be you know, it's it also attacks trans people, specifically 374 00:20:56,760 --> 00:20:59,600 Speaker 1: trans youth, and then once it doesn't stop there, it's 375 00:20:59,600 --> 00:21:03,560 Speaker 1: going to go to well, then this lgbt Q person 376 00:21:03,720 --> 00:21:06,600 Speaker 1: can't do PDA in public, you know, because I because 377 00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:09,920 Speaker 1: these the demographic that is in charge doesn't want their 378 00:21:10,040 --> 00:21:12,159 Speaker 1: children or grandchildren to see that. So we got to 379 00:21:12,200 --> 00:21:15,000 Speaker 1: make that illegal, and then it just forces us indoors, 380 00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:17,000 Speaker 1: and then it forces us to you know what I mean. 381 00:21:17,080 --> 00:21:19,800 Speaker 1: It just it's a snowball effect, and it's it's it's 382 00:21:19,840 --> 00:21:22,960 Speaker 1: scary to think about. It's and it's really sad. It's 383 00:21:23,040 --> 00:21:26,000 Speaker 1: really sad. It's really sad. What do you think the 384 00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:31,480 Speaker 1: biggest misconception about drag is that it hurts children? Yeah, 385 00:21:32,160 --> 00:21:36,080 Speaker 1: it is, at least that's the popular one right now. Like, 386 00:21:37,440 --> 00:21:41,400 Speaker 1: and to be honest with you and Chip and your listeners, 387 00:21:41,720 --> 00:21:43,600 Speaker 1: I'm not a fan of children. I don't want them 388 00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:48,600 Speaker 1: at much. I don't I don't want to. I don't 389 00:21:48,600 --> 00:21:50,800 Speaker 1: want to cater my show to children. Not that I 390 00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:53,360 Speaker 1: not that there's anything explicit in what I do, but 391 00:21:53,400 --> 00:21:57,400 Speaker 1: like I'm not trying to. I can't identify with them either, 392 00:21:57,440 --> 00:22:01,879 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Like like, so it's just 393 00:22:01,920 --> 00:22:04,840 Speaker 1: so crazy. And I just invite anybody that does think 394 00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:09,879 Speaker 1: that it's we're either dangerous or endangering children, please just 395 00:22:10,040 --> 00:22:13,160 Speaker 1: do your homework watch Drag race, you know what I mean? Like, 396 00:22:13,160 --> 00:22:15,920 Speaker 1: Oh my god, I got so sucked in today. I'm 397 00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:18,800 Speaker 1: like excited to get back to it after just what 398 00:22:19,520 --> 00:22:22,680 Speaker 1: and Kelly the you're watching season four. That is such 399 00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:26,320 Speaker 1: an antiquated season too. We're on season fifteen right now, 400 00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:29,919 Speaker 1: so like, oh my god. Yeah, between my season season 401 00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:32,560 Speaker 1: four and the current season, it is two totally different 402 00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:36,239 Speaker 1: ball games. I can't even imagine, but it is. It's like, 403 00:22:36,320 --> 00:22:39,240 Speaker 1: it's so fun to watch the challenges because I'm like, 404 00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:41,280 Speaker 1: what are they going to do? Like it's I don't know, 405 00:22:41,520 --> 00:22:44,520 Speaker 1: and everyone is a little bit like sassy to each other, 406 00:22:44,560 --> 00:22:50,240 Speaker 1: which is like in reality TV. Yeah, um, well, Chip, 407 00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:53,080 Speaker 1: do you have anything else that you really want to 408 00:22:53,119 --> 00:22:56,640 Speaker 1: pick Adam's brain about? Well, I just wanted to. I'm 409 00:22:56,640 --> 00:22:59,960 Speaker 1: sort of add a little bit to what he said about, 410 00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:03,560 Speaker 1: like the not liking children part, which I think is 411 00:23:03,560 --> 00:23:05,600 Speaker 1: really interesting. I mean, I look, I love kids, but 412 00:23:05,680 --> 00:23:07,720 Speaker 1: I can relate to that, and I you know, It's 413 00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:12,760 Speaker 1: the thing is is no art form, unless you are 414 00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:19,440 Speaker 1: making children's art, should have to take into consideration how 415 00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:22,360 Speaker 1: it affects a child. Yeah, you know, It's like if 416 00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:26,200 Speaker 1: you think about Renaissance paintings that had fat naked women 417 00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:31,119 Speaker 1: in them, like those those painters weren't worried about being 418 00:23:31,359 --> 00:23:35,000 Speaker 1: jailed for someone buying that painting and putting in their house, which, 419 00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:37,199 Speaker 1: by the way, probably had kids in it. You know, 420 00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:44,439 Speaker 1: the rap rap artists aren't worried about kids hearing their music. 421 00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:46,840 Speaker 1: They're gonna make the art that they're gonna make. And 422 00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:50,639 Speaker 1: it should be up to the heads of a household 423 00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:53,919 Speaker 1: to decide what their children can and can't consume. And 424 00:23:54,080 --> 00:23:56,520 Speaker 1: if that means that kids have to stay home, and 425 00:23:56,600 --> 00:23:58,600 Speaker 1: if that means you have to stay home because you 426 00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:01,879 Speaker 1: can't find care for your kids, then stay home. But 427 00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:05,560 Speaker 1: don't tread on the arts. It's I mean, and I 428 00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:08,399 Speaker 1: do think other artists who are not speaking up on 429 00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:11,320 Speaker 1: behalf of the drag community right now need to stand 430 00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:15,200 Speaker 1: the fuck up and speak up because it's coming for everybody. 431 00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:19,800 Speaker 1: And this is not about drag. It is about control. 432 00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:24,080 Speaker 1: It is about persecution of LGBTQ people. There's a reason 433 00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:27,800 Speaker 1: why it's starting with drag, and it's because we're an 434 00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:31,040 Speaker 1: easy target. There's already plenty of people that don't like us, 435 00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:34,160 Speaker 1: there's already plenty of people that think we're groomers, all 436 00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:36,800 Speaker 1: of those things, and at the end of the day, 437 00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:40,600 Speaker 1: drag is just the first stop. And it's not even 438 00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:45,520 Speaker 1: about drag, it's about persecution of other So, you know, 439 00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:48,359 Speaker 1: I think it's really important like, if you have a 440 00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:50,720 Speaker 1: gay person that you love in your life, if you 441 00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:54,000 Speaker 1: have a person of color in your life that is 442 00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:57,159 Speaker 1: different from you, if there's a handicapped person in your 443 00:24:57,160 --> 00:24:59,239 Speaker 1: life that you have, anyone that's different from you, a 444 00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:02,440 Speaker 1: foreign person, you need to be an ally right now 445 00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:05,560 Speaker 1: and stand up and fight for the differences that like 446 00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:10,000 Speaker 1: make us all so beautiful. So that's my Toatbox very 447 00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:15,480 Speaker 1: well said, I have a question, why do y'all think 448 00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:21,639 Speaker 1: that people equate like sexual predators to gay people. I 449 00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:23,040 Speaker 1: just like when you were saying that, I was like, 450 00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:26,880 Speaker 1: this makes no sense because it's a it's a it's 451 00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:32,280 Speaker 1: a very damning Uh uh what do I want to say? Uh, 452 00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:35,600 Speaker 1: it's very damning. It's like you you can't like it's 453 00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:39,400 Speaker 1: basically the worst thing that you can call the worst crime. Yeah. Yeah, 454 00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:41,960 Speaker 1: you get killed in prison for being a child molester. 455 00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:45,720 Speaker 1: Like you know, criminals kill child molesters, right. If you 456 00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:49,240 Speaker 1: see what I'm saying, it's like, it's not there's I mean, 457 00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:52,920 Speaker 1: we have proof of like the straight men in churches 458 00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:56,959 Speaker 1: doing this every day, our kids to Bible camp. You know, 459 00:25:57,040 --> 00:26:00,720 Speaker 1: it's and that looked. I don't. It's it's dangerous to 460 00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:03,439 Speaker 1: even you know, say that because not all people in 461 00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:06,719 Speaker 1: the clergy are child molesters, but there is no proof 462 00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:09,679 Speaker 1: of it happening. You can't. There's not one case of 463 00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:14,880 Speaker 1: a drag queen hurting a child, not um. But it's 464 00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:19,639 Speaker 1: and you know, like the the the pedophile priest is 465 00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:21,720 Speaker 1: a joke that like we're all like, ah, he's a priest, 466 00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:25,200 Speaker 1: he's probably molested children. And it's like, that's not funny 467 00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:29,200 Speaker 1: because it's true in a lot of cases. And but 468 00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:32,879 Speaker 1: yet somehow they have figured out how this narrative really 469 00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:36,680 Speaker 1: scares people and they believe it about gays and drag queens. 470 00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:41,040 Speaker 1: It's weird, m And I don't know what made it stick. 471 00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:42,840 Speaker 1: That's what I was just when when you were saying that, 472 00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:44,640 Speaker 1: I was like, oh, I didn't even dawn on me 473 00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:48,200 Speaker 1: that those two things are being equated. But again, it's 474 00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:51,480 Speaker 1: not about it's sticking because it's true. It's just out 475 00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:53,480 Speaker 1: of fear, that's all it is. They're just trying to 476 00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:58,200 Speaker 1: scare people, that's it, right. Well, I had a last 477 00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:00,160 Speaker 1: at the drag show we went to this weekend. It's 478 00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:02,600 Speaker 1: a brunch, So I really hope that they keep it 479 00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:08,520 Speaker 1: because they did ideas on the way in. Did you're right? Yeah? Um? Also, 480 00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:10,280 Speaker 1: I was just want to talk about this really fast. 481 00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:13,679 Speaker 1: Some of the performances are so epic, and some of 482 00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:16,199 Speaker 1: the moves like do you remember that one that jumped 483 00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:20,480 Speaker 1: from this platform into a split so shook like I 484 00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:23,880 Speaker 1: can't I couldn't jump from a platform in those heats. 485 00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:25,680 Speaker 1: I first of all, I couldn't get on the platform 486 00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:29,040 Speaker 1: in hills more or let's jump and land on my feet. 487 00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:32,879 Speaker 1: But she landed in a split. It was it was 488 00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:36,000 Speaker 1: mind blowing. It was what happens to your junk in 489 00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:40,120 Speaker 1: that moment, Like, how how do you protect your balls? Well, 490 00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:44,360 Speaker 1: hopefully they've put it away properly and surely. And then 491 00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:47,120 Speaker 1: also you're I have a feeling I know who you're 492 00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:50,800 Speaker 1: talking about. They're also wearing padding and many layers of 493 00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:53,800 Speaker 1: tights and like there's a lot that goes into it. 494 00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:57,440 Speaker 1: So I'm sure they were they were well protected. I'm 495 00:27:57,480 --> 00:27:59,960 Speaker 1: sure there's some O sees though, where you get crushed 496 00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:03,840 Speaker 1: oh when you're learning that Yeah, yeah, I mean that's 497 00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:09,600 Speaker 1: happened to me just sitting down. Oh my god, Oh 498 00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:11,840 Speaker 1: my gosh. Well, I'm a huge fan. I think it 499 00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:14,760 Speaker 1: is such an artistic creative expression and I love what 500 00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:17,880 Speaker 1: you guys do. So how can we better support your 501 00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:23,560 Speaker 1: drag community Adam. Um, honestly, right now is kind of 502 00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:25,520 Speaker 1: what Chip was saying is show up and be an 503 00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:28,359 Speaker 1: ally And I don't mean show up like to a 504 00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:29,960 Speaker 1: drag show. That would be great if you went to 505 00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:32,720 Speaker 1: a drag show and tip dollars that is that is 506 00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:34,520 Speaker 1: the best thing you could do, especially in the state 507 00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:37,280 Speaker 1: of Tennessee right now. But we need allies more than 508 00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:41,240 Speaker 1: we need anything else. We need people to say no, there, 509 00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:44,680 Speaker 1: this is false. It's a false flag. It's not scary. 510 00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:48,400 Speaker 1: And when you see something, uh, you know on and 511 00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:51,800 Speaker 1: I'm not saying be a keyboard warrior by any means, 512 00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:54,160 Speaker 1: but like, if people in your family or friends or 513 00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:58,200 Speaker 1: co workers are like that's disgusting, or that they're their 514 00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:01,520 Speaker 1: pedophiles or their grooming children, please speak out and say no, 515 00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:03,720 Speaker 1: that is not the case at all. And that goes 516 00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:08,720 Speaker 1: with anything where a minority is being you know, pushed 517 00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:13,040 Speaker 1: back or you know, brought upon, Like we should be 518 00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:19,680 Speaker 1: speaking up at all times for the disenfranchised, and so um, yeah, yeah, 519 00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:22,120 Speaker 1: I can't. I can't say that enough. Just allyship is 520 00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:25,280 Speaker 1: so important. I wanted to also mention one of our 521 00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:28,920 Speaker 1: friends is a part of a concert. If you're in Nashville, 522 00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:32,040 Speaker 1: it's going on on Monday. It's called Love Rising. It's 523 00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:37,960 Speaker 1: a lot of big performers. Um, yeah, Brothers, Osborne, Marion Morris. Yeah, 524 00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:40,600 Speaker 1: it's at Bridge Stone. I believe it starts at seven o'clock. 525 00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:46,440 Speaker 1: Tickets are still available last night. Hey, I'm gonna put 526 00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:50,080 Speaker 1: the descript the link for ticket purchase in the description 527 00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:52,520 Speaker 1: of this podcast. You guys, but it is a full 528 00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:56,080 Speaker 1: I mean, it's so many people. Fancy our boy, fancy 529 00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:59,920 Speaker 1: it was on this podcast. Yeah, Brittany Howard from alab 530 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:05,000 Speaker 1: I'm a Shakes is going to be there. Crow, Yeah, Rogers, 531 00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:10,400 Speaker 1: who's amazing love him. Is Hayley Williams going to be there? 532 00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:16,400 Speaker 1: I'm just looking yeah yeah, but yeah, for for everybody's listening. 533 00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:18,800 Speaker 1: So all the proceeds are gonna go I believe to 534 00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:21,840 Speaker 1: the ACLU. Is that what the poster says, um? And 535 00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:27,000 Speaker 1: it's basically to help fight these ridiculous bills. Yeah. So 536 00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:29,040 Speaker 1: it's going to be a great show and you might 537 00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:34,320 Speaker 1: see a few drag queens on there. Okay, where else 538 00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:38,200 Speaker 1: can people find you? Yeah? My socials are at the 539 00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:41,560 Speaker 1: Drag Princess. I'm really bad at social media, but I 540 00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:44,880 Speaker 1: do post when I have events. Um and then TikTok 541 00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:48,840 Speaker 1: is the official Drag Princess. Somebody somehow got the Drag 542 00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:50,680 Speaker 1: Princess before I did. I don't know how that happened. 543 00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:53,640 Speaker 1: But okay, And if you're in Nashville, go to a 544 00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:58,000 Speaker 1: show right, Oh my goodness, google drag show Nashville. If 545 00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:01,239 Speaker 1: you're in town. That's the best thing that you can do. UM. 546 00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:04,160 Speaker 1: I work at a play called play Dance Bar. It 547 00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:08,240 Speaker 1: is quite the experience. It is quite the fun filled night. 548 00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:11,240 Speaker 1: So come and see me. Yes, Chef, we gotta go. 549 00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:15,360 Speaker 1: We gotta go. Adam, thank you so much for being 550 00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:18,160 Speaker 1: here and talking to us about all of this. M 551 00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:22,040 Speaker 1: We so appreciate it absolutely. Kelly Chip, thank you. I 552 00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:24,120 Speaker 1: appreciate it. Thank you, and thank you for letting me 553 00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:29,120 Speaker 1: have a voice will resonate with people. Thank you and 554 00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:30,240 Speaker 1: thank you guys for listening.