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Speaker 1: How how does that click? Like human trafficking? Always thought

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Speaker 1: that human trafficking meant that someone took somebody and made

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Speaker 1: them have sex for money. That's sex. That's human sex trafficking,

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00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:57,000
Speaker 1: human sex trafficking, because there's labor trafficking. And what's more

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Speaker 1: important that what's more important. You will get this better

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Speaker 1: than anybody, anybody except somebody has been in these shoes.

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Speaker 1: One of the biggest human trafficking travesties that affects you.

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Speaker 1: You anybody walking, and it makes more money than anything

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Speaker 1: on the planet in human trafficking. What is the number

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Speaker 1: one It's called organ trafficking. And what is the number

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Speaker 1: one organ of the body that is in highest demands

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Speaker 1: liver heart, So it's the largest organ in the body,

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Speaker 1: your brain, skin. Think about all the countries that are

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Speaker 1: in war and those people that have money and they

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00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:56,000
Speaker 1: get burned, and people of color with melon in their skin.

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00:33:56,360 --> 00:34:00,479
Speaker 1: Were so many different variations that any of us are

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Speaker 1: targeted any time for them to take our skin. Now

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Speaker 1: who and now let's talk about kidneys and livers. The

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Speaker 1: only people in the on the planet that even know

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Speaker 1: how to deal with oregon transplants would be whom I

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Speaker 1: don't know. I can turn this ship into a damn queez.

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00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:31,160
Speaker 1: I know. Trying to wake you up. Doctors sitting there, listen,

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00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:34,200
Speaker 1: Doctors because it's got to be kept a certain temperature.

447
00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:36,120
Speaker 1: They got to know how to operate it, take it out,

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00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:39,880
Speaker 1: put it in transport. Do you realize the billions of

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Speaker 1: dollars and there has to be skilled, trained professionals that

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00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:49,000
Speaker 1: know how to remove the skin without dying, or remove

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00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:53,319
Speaker 1: these organs organs without killing them. It's done by professionals

452
00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:55,480
Speaker 1: who literally sitting in your face and you see them

453
00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:59,799
Speaker 1: all the time, and they're a part of something dark

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00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:07,560
Speaker 1: like that. I'm just saying how many, how many? Not

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00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:11,080
Speaker 1: all of them, but somebody that does the trafficking has

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00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:14,040
Speaker 1: to be highly trained and professional, and it ain't all

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00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:18,040
Speaker 1: back room doctors. So it's a Pandora's box. Even when

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Speaker 1: it comes down to sex trafficking being forced, and now

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00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:31,440
Speaker 1: the recruiting grounds for finding other victims. They're being recruited

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00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:34,680
Speaker 1: in the jails, in the church, in the courtrooms, and

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00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:38,799
Speaker 1: then I'm oh my god, this could take we could

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00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:41,200
Speaker 1: do We could do this story for weeks and never

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00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:44,600
Speaker 1: cover all of the grounds and the different variations of

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00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:48,800
Speaker 1: sex trafficking, prostitution, because all of it. You know, this

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Speaker 1: is the first time in life when I was a

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Speaker 1: whole back in my day, I never met any of us.

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00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:55,839
Speaker 1: They said, when I grew up, I want to be home.

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00:35:57,160 --> 00:36:01,239
Speaker 1: Now these children are literally Glamoris, isn't it? And said, well,

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00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:02,799
Speaker 1: miss Cather, I do want to be home. I want

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Speaker 1: to be I can't wait to get on that boat.

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00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:09,320
Speaker 1: What But then we have allowed that because what what

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00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:15,680
Speaker 1: I loved? Get me getting bit because our entertainers and

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00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:20,200
Speaker 1: our idols that these children look up to they didn't understand,

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00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:22,880
Speaker 1: and our artists, a lot of them didn't explain this

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00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:28,960
Speaker 1: is only entertainment and they made it okay. But you know,

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Speaker 1: stripping on the pole as y'all know what you're saying,

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00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:37,839
Speaker 1: and homes life became art for a lot of people. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: these two negros is guilty of that. Let me say

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00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:43,000
Speaker 1: life life, life became yeah, including me, you know, like

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00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:46,239
Speaker 1: life became art, you know, for for a lot of people.

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00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:49,719
Speaker 1: And it still is. And and the thing is is

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00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:53,880
Speaker 1: that when you think about these people, you think about

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Speaker 1: what art? You just said it a real test, a

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Speaker 1: r T, a real test. How do you interpret your

485
00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:09,840
Speaker 1: art and what do the test results end up with?

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Speaker 1: That means I have a nine year old on the

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Speaker 1: pole that thanks all right at nine to But you know,

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Speaker 1: for forghet Old boys. It's like I alluded to in

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Speaker 1: in in the intro, like the forghet O boys, I

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00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:25,520
Speaker 1: think it's always been information and instructions. So we give

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00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:28,120
Speaker 1: you information about what's going on in the world, was happening,

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00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:31,040
Speaker 1: and we also but we also give you instructions on

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00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:33,440
Speaker 1: how to get through it. And a lot of us

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00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:36,040
Speaker 1: don't listen to that part. Understand, we want to put

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00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:43,560
Speaker 1: the s and money and the diamonds and cars and

496
00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:48,719
Speaker 1: and that's what self accountability comes in. At the end

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00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:50,799
Speaker 1: of the day, We're still gonna have to be at

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00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:52,640
Speaker 1: the end of the day. That's one thing that I learned.

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00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:55,400
Speaker 1: But I was like Tenua. I figured that out at

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00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:58,560
Speaker 1: like ten years old. I was like, whatever I do,

501
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:01,560
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be here accountable for it. I'm gonna have

502
00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:03,600
Speaker 1: to deal with it. Nobody cares at the end of

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00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:06,800
Speaker 1: the day. So we we can't sit back and just

504
00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:09,120
Speaker 1: and just and just leave it to other people to

505
00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:11,880
Speaker 1: get us get our lives together. We ought to be

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00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:14,160
Speaker 1: responsible for the children that we bring it to the world,

507
00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:16,680
Speaker 1: and our children got to be responsible for the decisions

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00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:19,640
Speaker 1: that they make in this world. I understand that everybody

509
00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:22,400
Speaker 1: don't have the guidance, and everybody ain't got mom in

510
00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:24,160
Speaker 1: the house and dad in the house. And this is

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00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:29,200
Speaker 1: just then the third sometimes my darling, and I'm a

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00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:34,640
Speaker 1: perfect prime example. The woman, the white woman that birthed me,

513
00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:39,120
Speaker 1: left me on the deliberate tape delivery table. That might

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00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:41,840
Speaker 1: be all she had to give. I don't know a story.

515
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:47,279
Speaker 1: I ain't mad at but she did have me, even

516
00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:50,080
Speaker 1: though my father was black and I was. I'm a

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00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:52,080
Speaker 1: cabbage patge and I didn't find out this I was

518
00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:56,560
Speaker 1: twenty six. But anyway, what's the cabbage patch adopted? You know,

519
00:38:56,800 --> 00:38:59,000
Speaker 1: if the cabbage padget door, you get the adoption papers,

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00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:03,600
Speaker 1: it's some adopted dol and I am adopted, but I

521
00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:08,080
Speaker 1: don't care. I'm biologically connected to God. Albody's really don't matter.

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Speaker 1: And I've been able to hand through who my family

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00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:14,080
Speaker 1: members are. You know, some people don't realize. They get

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00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:18,480
Speaker 1: all freaked out CBS took my kids. It doesn't matter

525
00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:21,120
Speaker 1: because everybody, I don't care how old or young you are,

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00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:25,359
Speaker 1: we all still wish we had a mother. So even

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00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:31,360
Speaker 1: if CPS say they terminate your rights permanently, every adopted

528
00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:36,160
Speaker 1: terminated child eventually don't want to know mama, why you

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00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:44,480
Speaker 1: didn't want me? And even as a black black queen.

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Speaker 1: So let me ask you this, what do you think

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00:39:51,960 --> 00:40:00,879
Speaker 1: about people who sales sex in exchange for money? Are

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Speaker 1: they the same? Is that the same as uh, you know,

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00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:08,160
Speaker 1: human trafficking? Is that? Is that any respectability if you

534
00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:13,239
Speaker 1: are an adult and you make a conscious decision. See,

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00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:17,400
Speaker 1: that's even thrown off people. I don't want to buy no,

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00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:22,200
Speaker 1: you know, I don't buy no. But OK, first of all,

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00:40:22,239 --> 00:40:24,200
Speaker 1: you can't sell it because you're leasing it. They can't

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00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:27,120
Speaker 1: take it with him, even if they're legally married. So

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00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:32,560
Speaker 1: it's all least. So we got a chance. So Donald

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00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:35,680
Speaker 1: Trump got to change the way that he when he

541
00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:40,399
Speaker 1: speak about how he exchange services. He got to say

542
00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:43,560
Speaker 1: I didn't buy nothing, So he really was being honest.

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00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:49,439
Speaker 1: He ain't boun for a few minutes and then didn't

544
00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:52,120
Speaker 1: know what to do with it. He never gave to

545
00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:56,840
Speaker 1: coach your concussion. Oh but all of them had to

546
00:40:56,880 --> 00:40:59,160
Speaker 1: get plastic surgery and they faced I'm saying, what do

547
00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:04,120
Speaker 1: you think about what do you think about Instagram models

548
00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:08,200
Speaker 1: and and that kind of stuff? How much how much

549
00:41:08,239 --> 00:41:12,720
Speaker 1: is that? Yeah? How much of influence does Instagram models

550
00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:14,480
Speaker 1: to women that take the clothes off and all that

551
00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:19,239
Speaker 1: stuff have on these young girls. In your opinion, uh,

552
00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:22,360
Speaker 1: that that pushes them towards that life. It's more powerful

553
00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:26,400
Speaker 1: than us trying to teach our children about God and

554
00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:31,879
Speaker 1: right and wrong. They don't want to hear it. This Instagram, Snapchat,

555
00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:39,239
Speaker 1: sell phone, Facebook, all of that TikTok. Those were meant

556
00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:42,360
Speaker 1: for good that have turned into the most deepest, darkest,

557
00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:47,480
Speaker 1: most evilst contraption. Let try taking You're giving them too

558
00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:49,279
Speaker 1: much credit. I don't think it was no, no, no, no, no,

559
00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:54,840
Speaker 1: no no. Try taking this device from a little child,

560
00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:58,000
Speaker 1: even to a teenager. A lot of them have committed

561
00:41:58,080 --> 00:42:01,640
Speaker 1: suicide because I want to die or run away because

562
00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:05,799
Speaker 1: a parent took this from them. It's that addictive. It's

563
00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:09,719
Speaker 1: more addictive than any heroine crack cocaine, and my habit

564
00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:12,600
Speaker 1: was thirty tho dollars a month for twenty two years. Fuck.

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00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:14,680
Speaker 1: I lived to get high. I got out of live

566
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:16,680
Speaker 1: and I wanted to die with a correct pipe in

567
00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:19,799
Speaker 1: my hand. And I said, when I died, and if

568
00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:21,960
Speaker 1: y'all put some fake dope in my pipe in my

569
00:42:22,120 --> 00:42:24,640
Speaker 1: casket every Halloween, I'm gonna come back and miss all

570
00:42:24,719 --> 00:42:29,080
Speaker 1: y'all higher. But I meant that ship. This is more

571
00:42:29,160 --> 00:42:33,520
Speaker 1: powerful than that. Even when we rescue and we take

572
00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:36,640
Speaker 1: the phone, if they can't have their phone, they will leave,

573
00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:42,879
Speaker 1: they will run. This is and everybody. Now, I want

574
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:45,239
Speaker 1: to get fake this and get the ribs taken out

575
00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:48,560
Speaker 1: and get the fat transferred. And because everybody's looking at

576
00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:53,320
Speaker 1: wanting to be this perfect acceptable person that wanted you

577
00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:55,719
Speaker 1: all are gonna have some money and want to get

578
00:42:55,800 --> 00:43:00,520
Speaker 1: them design of bags and diamonds and good ours, and

579
00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:03,879
Speaker 1: they're more concerned about that than where they're gonna live

580
00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:10,600
Speaker 1: instead of let me get all this done so I

581
00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:13,160
Speaker 1: can get make sure my rent is paid. Because I'm

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00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:18,160
Speaker 1: gonna just tell you this, I despise any woman to

583
00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:21,360
Speaker 1: this very second. When somebody tell me this, cats, I

584
00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:24,680
Speaker 1: ain't never ain't never been oppressed to. So you mean

585
00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:28,120
Speaker 1: you've been fucking free. You didn't get a sandwich, you

586
00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:30,600
Speaker 1: didn't get no money about, no who't you wash, no

587
00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:34,879
Speaker 1: mass and gear. Please don't tell nobody that. Even though

588
00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:37,120
Speaker 1: I want to empower women to be able to support

589
00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:41,000
Speaker 1: themselves with or without a partner, so if they leave,

590
00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:47,319
Speaker 1: you can still hold your own I'm into the empowerment now,

591
00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:51,399
Speaker 1: if that means like even in my program, it's peer

592
00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:54,160
Speaker 1: to peer driven. I'm gonna meet you where you are.

593
00:43:54,640 --> 00:43:58,399
Speaker 1: If you used to shoot heroin and you went through

594
00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:00,880
Speaker 1: my program and I see you back in jail a

595
00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:04,400
Speaker 1: prison and you say, miss Cathy, I didn't prostitute anymore

596
00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:06,560
Speaker 1: and I'm not shooting arrow, Well, why are you here?

597
00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:10,080
Speaker 1: Because I was? I was smoking weed. I I smoked

598
00:44:10,120 --> 00:44:14,000
Speaker 1: weed and I paid. I flunk my drug test, okay,

599
00:44:14,719 --> 00:44:18,480
Speaker 1: So how did that work out for you? Or when

600
00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:21,600
Speaker 1: somebody tells me, ms gather, I need a job, okay,

601
00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:23,959
Speaker 1: can you pass this drug test? Well, I got some weed.

602
00:44:24,239 --> 00:44:28,080
Speaker 1: Then you don't want no job? What is it that

603
00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:32,960
Speaker 1: you really want? If this was easy, everybody could do it.

604
00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:36,120
Speaker 1: What are you willing to give up to unblock your

605
00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:38,480
Speaker 1: blessing to what it? Because you can have what you

606
00:44:38,600 --> 00:44:41,960
Speaker 1: won't be careful what you ask for. But it's about

607
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:44,680
Speaker 1: are you willing to do this, this, and this to

608
00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:48,960
Speaker 1: have what you want legitimately legally? Because the word even

609
00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:52,840
Speaker 1: tell you we earn our keep by the sweat eyebrow.

610
00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:58,080
Speaker 1: Right now, everybody has entitlements. These angstics feels that they're

611
00:44:58,280 --> 00:45:02,799
Speaker 1: entitled to have. Yeah, well I've got a nice body,

612
00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:06,440
Speaker 1: so I'm entitled that you should be forced to buy

613
00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:17,080
Speaker 1: me a birkin. Yeah, y'all when y'all walking around with

614
00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:20,400
Speaker 1: all these not you, I'm just saying the image that

615
00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:23,480
Speaker 1: men put out there. You understand what I'm saying. And

616
00:45:23,560 --> 00:45:28,359
Speaker 1: then those men who were emotionally abusive by saying, you'll

617
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:32,360
Speaker 1: never be anything. You know, Um, you just like your

618
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:34,480
Speaker 1: mommy used to be a cracking you know, throwing the

619
00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:37,680
Speaker 1: past up. Everything that's happened from this second on back.

620
00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:40,880
Speaker 1: But all three of us is Black history. It cannot

621
00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:45,080
Speaker 1: be changed. What did your daddy tell you? He he

622
00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:51,280
Speaker 1: told me when he wrote Let's Get It On? Everybody

623
00:45:51,360 --> 00:45:54,120
Speaker 1: thought Let's Get It On was a song about sex,

624
00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:57,600
Speaker 1: and he and he and and when Marvin sing it,

625
00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:00,279
Speaker 1: he put that feel in it. Let to Get It

626
00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:02,759
Speaker 1: On is the only song my father wrote that he

627
00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:05,880
Speaker 1: was clean and sober, and he was struggling for his sobriety.

628
00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:08,600
Speaker 1: If you listen to the words, that says, we're all

629
00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:13,160
Speaker 1: sensitive people with so much to give, understanding each other.

630
00:46:13,600 --> 00:46:16,759
Speaker 1: But since we've got to be here, let's live. We

631
00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:21,560
Speaker 1: weren't living under intoxication. Let's Get It On was written

632
00:46:21,600 --> 00:46:29,120
Speaker 1: about rehabilitation. Let's take that word rebilitation. No no, no,

633
00:46:29,239 --> 00:46:32,799
Speaker 1: no no. What I'm saying is that Marvin interpreted as

634
00:46:33,080 --> 00:46:36,000
Speaker 1: and that's what my father wrote it to mean something vamp.

635
00:46:36,280 --> 00:46:39,520
Speaker 1: But Marvin, when he sang it, he made it his

636
00:46:39,640 --> 00:46:42,879
Speaker 1: own interpretation so he could feel it. But my father

637
00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:46,400
Speaker 1: to write such powerful lyrics, it was a true feeling

638
00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:49,200
Speaker 1: of what he felt. Not to mention my data has

639
00:46:49,239 --> 00:46:55,239
Speaker 1: some freaking him too. Probably, I'm just saying, yes, yes,

640
00:46:55,320 --> 00:46:59,560
Speaker 1: get that money, huh um. Right now as we speak,

641
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:04,440
Speaker 1: George Clinton and others there in New York right now

642
00:47:04,600 --> 00:47:08,080
Speaker 1: with Ben Cromp, because we're doing the civil side of

643
00:47:08,760 --> 00:47:12,759
Speaker 1: why Sony and all these record companies have pimped us

644
00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:15,239
Speaker 1: and given us the crumbs that they wanted us to

645
00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:17,440
Speaker 1: have as black people. But then if you look at

646
00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:21,200
Speaker 1: your Country Western artists and your white artists, you're Elton

647
00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:24,759
Speaker 1: John's and you're John Lennon's and elves and a lot

648
00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:29,840
Speaker 1: of them stole theirs from us literally, And there are

649
00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:32,880
Speaker 1: some of us in history that go back that borrowed

650
00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:37,640
Speaker 1: some of the country Western themes and put into our stuff.

651
00:47:37,640 --> 00:47:41,680
Speaker 1: Because Country Western music only tells stories. It's just storytelling,

652
00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:44,680
Speaker 1: you know what. I'm saying for everybody in their own

653
00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:48,520
Speaker 1: drawn genre. But getting back to what I'm saying, we've

654
00:47:48,600 --> 00:47:52,840
Speaker 1: been handed out crumbs as minorities in the music industry

655
00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:58,239
Speaker 1: for centuries centuries. There's no way in the world with

656
00:47:58,360 --> 00:48:00,640
Speaker 1: a song like Let's Get It On, I should receive

657
00:48:00,719 --> 00:48:03,440
Speaker 1: a penny check and we and you know, I mean,

658
00:48:03,560 --> 00:48:05,680
Speaker 1: you've talked about that bread. We get plenty of those

659
00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:09,000
Speaker 1: two cents. One man, you need to talk to me,

660
00:48:09,080 --> 00:48:13,239
Speaker 1: I'll tell you money. So anyway, you know, I'm in

661
00:48:13,320 --> 00:48:16,279
Speaker 1: the biggest lawsuit in the history of music with Ed

662
00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:20,799
Speaker 1: Sharon and the Thinking outlaud Loud Song. And we've been

663
00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:25,480
Speaker 1: in this battle for seven years now. Our trial date

664
00:48:25,600 --> 00:48:27,960
Speaker 1: was September eleventh of last year, but we were in

665
00:48:28,080 --> 00:48:33,080
Speaker 1: COVID and the courts are still shut down. But every summary,

666
00:48:33,160 --> 00:48:40,080
Speaker 1: judgment and everything they challenged they lost. Think the music

667
00:48:40,239 --> 00:48:42,400
Speaker 1: is all Let's Get It On. He only changed the words.

668
00:48:43,080 --> 00:48:45,000
Speaker 1: That's why that was a song that made him famous

669
00:48:45,640 --> 00:48:48,040
Speaker 1: because everybody could relate to it because the magic was

670
00:48:48,120 --> 00:48:51,600
Speaker 1: in the music. And my father wrote the music and

671
00:48:52,640 --> 00:48:54,600
Speaker 1: had nothing to do with it was already something that

672
00:48:54,800 --> 00:48:58,920
Speaker 1: was embedded in in people's memory. And Let's get it

673
00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:01,600
Speaker 1: on is now has been entered into the American National

674
00:49:01,719 --> 00:49:05,680
Speaker 1: Song Book. So it's an evergreen that will never die.

675
00:49:06,160 --> 00:49:10,160
Speaker 1: How was your relationship with your father growing up? When

676
00:49:10,239 --> 00:49:13,200
Speaker 1: I met my father and I found out where he was,

677
00:49:13,320 --> 00:49:18,640
Speaker 1: I went, well, I called him first. So who raised you?

678
00:49:18,719 --> 00:49:23,200
Speaker 1: Your grandparents? I was adopted, Okay, Ernest and Shirley Griffin,

679
00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:25,920
Speaker 1: two of the most wonderful people. And they gave me

680
00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:28,560
Speaker 1: everything I needed it most of what I wanted, and

681
00:49:28,719 --> 00:49:30,759
Speaker 1: they I thought we had something we really didn't. He

682
00:49:30,840 --> 00:49:33,279
Speaker 1: was a mechanic and she was the daughter of my

683
00:49:33,360 --> 00:49:35,880
Speaker 1: grandfather who owned the funeral home and she collected the

684
00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:40,800
Speaker 1: burial and before that, when I was born in nineteen

685
00:49:40,840 --> 00:49:43,600
Speaker 1: sixty and we moved to Mississippi in nineteen sixty four,

686
00:49:44,040 --> 00:49:45,840
Speaker 1: my mother worked for my tails and my father on

687
00:49:45,880 --> 00:49:50,600
Speaker 1: a Sinclair gas station on a hundred and twenty first

688
00:49:51,680 --> 00:49:57,320
Speaker 1: and Central. And the doctor that took care of my

689
00:49:57,480 --> 00:50:00,719
Speaker 1: mother's O. B G. Y N Health which my mother

690
00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:04,280
Speaker 1: had a hyst director man was unable to have children.

691
00:50:05,320 --> 00:50:08,000
Speaker 1: Um back then when they adopted children, and they placed

692
00:50:08,040 --> 00:50:11,640
Speaker 1: you to match closely. And if I showed you the pictures,

693
00:50:11,680 --> 00:50:16,000
Speaker 1: you would think they were my biological parents. But she

694
00:50:16,160 --> 00:50:18,719
Speaker 1: had this scar down the stomach and kids would say

695
00:50:19,040 --> 00:50:21,000
Speaker 1: you adopted, and my mother said, no, you're not. This

696
00:50:21,120 --> 00:50:23,680
Speaker 1: is where you can. I'm just saying, And back then

697
00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:28,560
Speaker 1: they didn't tell um. We moved to Mississippi unbeknowings to

698
00:50:28,680 --> 00:50:32,680
Speaker 1: me because Ed Townsend and his wife Cherry Gayl Townsend.

699
00:50:32,719 --> 00:50:35,279
Speaker 1: And by the way, at my birth my name was

700
00:50:35,400 --> 00:50:37,759
Speaker 1: Cherry Gayl Townsend. In case my father ever wanted to

701
00:50:37,840 --> 00:50:40,760
Speaker 1: find me, it's not a lot of Cherry Gael Townsend.

702
00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:42,640
Speaker 1: I should have been a country. What's the saying world

703
00:50:42,640 --> 00:50:45,960
Speaker 1: country has name like that. But anyway, I'd like to

704
00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:49,520
Speaker 1: tell you the story about the place that I called home.

705
00:50:49,880 --> 00:51:04,240
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, we walk us through the psychology behind

706
00:51:04,680 --> 00:51:08,280
Speaker 1: you becoming a woman of the night, so to speak,

707
00:51:08,560 --> 00:51:11,040
Speaker 1: like how you ended up, because that's what you know,

708
00:51:11,160 --> 00:51:14,400
Speaker 1: Like you're a very different person today than you wards

709
00:51:14,480 --> 00:51:18,719
Speaker 1: back then. I mean you, let me say this, let

710
00:51:18,760 --> 00:51:20,719
Speaker 1: me say this, let me say this. I want to

711
00:51:20,760 --> 00:51:22,759
Speaker 1: commend you follow the work that you do. A lot

712
00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:25,640
Speaker 1: of people don't understand, like you know, it's the people

713
00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:27,759
Speaker 1: that that behind the scenes that do the most to

714
00:51:27,840 --> 00:51:30,360
Speaker 1: make the world move, and you're one of those people.

715
00:51:30,400 --> 00:51:33,960
Speaker 1: So I wanted to give your flowers. Yeah, give them? Yeah,

716
00:51:33,960 --> 00:51:38,440
Speaker 1: absolutely so, And I do like imaginary flowers. Do Let

717
00:51:38,520 --> 00:51:42,040
Speaker 1: me tell you why they're beautiful. They smell great, but

718
00:51:42,160 --> 00:51:49,479
Speaker 1: they die. Thank you, my love. That's what I'm talking about.

719
00:51:50,719 --> 00:51:52,440
Speaker 1: As my girlfriend taught me you about to say, I

720
00:51:52,520 --> 00:51:57,239
Speaker 1: said it walk us through the psychology of how you

721
00:51:57,800 --> 00:52:01,759
Speaker 1: got on that track too. Being on the track, you know,

722
00:52:02,320 --> 00:52:08,440
Speaker 1: how did you get there? I got distracted on my

723
00:52:08,520 --> 00:52:16,640
Speaker 1: way to grandmother's house. Whispers, tell me how where did

724
00:52:16,800 --> 00:52:20,320
Speaker 1: where did it start? Like? Because at some point, like

725
00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:22,359
Speaker 1: like you said, nobody grows up and said I want

726
00:52:22,400 --> 00:52:25,320
Speaker 1: to be a home. When youngsters started having sex before

727
00:52:25,400 --> 00:52:29,360
Speaker 1: their time, we think automatic, including the kids now, we

728
00:52:29,520 --> 00:52:34,400
Speaker 1: think automatically that sex makes us grown. So this football

729
00:52:34,480 --> 00:52:36,480
Speaker 1: player was the first person you had sex with? And

730
00:52:36,600 --> 00:52:39,080
Speaker 1: how did you meet this guy? You're fourteen years old

731
00:52:40,080 --> 00:52:42,880
Speaker 1: from my hometown. So you met him and I went

732
00:52:42,920 --> 00:52:46,719
Speaker 1: to this Baptist church. He went to Ebaneza Baptist church

733
00:52:47,280 --> 00:52:49,680
Speaker 1: and it's a small town and we go from church

734
00:52:49,800 --> 00:52:54,440
Speaker 1: church and we had a musicals and singing unions and

735
00:52:54,480 --> 00:52:58,440
Speaker 1: all that sex. How did he get access to you?

736
00:52:58,520 --> 00:53:00,799
Speaker 1: How did you first half sex? Every summer we would

737
00:53:00,800 --> 00:53:03,000
Speaker 1: go back to California. Remember he played for the Rams.

738
00:53:03,280 --> 00:53:07,800
Speaker 1: Our families knew each other, and he started off. He

739
00:53:07,880 --> 00:53:09,719
Speaker 1: would he when he was home, and I met him

740
00:53:10,320 --> 00:53:12,840
Speaker 1: and he started being very nice to me, and we

741
00:53:12,920 --> 00:53:15,759
Speaker 1: started off. He was gonna teach me tennis lessons at

742
00:53:15,800 --> 00:53:19,359
Speaker 1: William Carey College on the tennis court, so I could

743
00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:21,400
Speaker 1: ride my bike from my house around the corner to

744
00:53:21,480 --> 00:53:24,200
Speaker 1: the school. That's where he played tennis, and we would

745
00:53:24,239 --> 00:53:28,000
Speaker 1: go play tennis. We was getting them balls, so I

746
00:53:28,120 --> 00:53:32,120
Speaker 1: had on the list shots and how to talk. I

747
00:53:32,239 --> 00:53:39,400
Speaker 1: had long hair. Hi Yella, Mississippi. And you absolutely just

748
00:53:40,200 --> 00:53:46,360
Speaker 1: super excited that this football to California. And it was

749
00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:51,520
Speaker 1: the summer. He was back in California. We're already like family.

750
00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:59,400
Speaker 1: And he asked my MoMA gonna take me somewhere in

751
00:53:59,520 --> 00:54:02,360
Speaker 1: CALIFORNI on you that night, and she thought we were

752
00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:06,680
Speaker 1: going to the movies, and we went to his long

753
00:54:06,840 --> 00:54:11,040
Speaker 1: beach condimentum apartment and that's where he said he was

754
00:54:11,080 --> 00:54:14,560
Speaker 1: going to make make me a woman. So this twenty

755
00:54:14,600 --> 00:54:19,880
Speaker 1: four year old man just at this point, so this

756
00:54:20,040 --> 00:54:22,560
Speaker 1: twenty nine year old man was allowed to take this

757
00:54:22,760 --> 00:54:26,440
Speaker 1: fourteen year old girl somewhere. He said fifteen at that

758
00:54:26,520 --> 00:54:32,200
Speaker 1: time to hang out europe parents because they are we

759
00:54:32,280 --> 00:54:34,680
Speaker 1: were all family and no back then, nobody was thinking.

760
00:54:35,080 --> 00:54:43,319
Speaker 1: I mean, he was a celebrity in our hometown hanging out. Okay,

761
00:54:43,320 --> 00:54:45,840
Speaker 1: I got you, I got you. So that's where it started.

762
00:54:45,880 --> 00:54:49,080
Speaker 1: Not now is he Is he the one that introduced

763
00:54:49,120 --> 00:54:52,080
Speaker 1: you to prostitution? No? Let me just let me tell it.

764
00:54:53,160 --> 00:54:56,920
Speaker 1: So an interesting thing happened when I got the scholarship

765
00:54:56,960 --> 00:54:59,560
Speaker 1: to go to Texas Southern at the age of sixteen.

766
00:55:00,560 --> 00:55:04,000
Speaker 1: Once I got to Houston from Mississippi, and I'm living

767
00:55:04,040 --> 00:55:06,960
Speaker 1: in the dorm with others who are now eighteen and older,

768
00:55:07,400 --> 00:55:09,480
Speaker 1: and they were allowed to go in the nightclubs. I

769
00:55:09,600 --> 00:55:12,279
Speaker 1: got to go with him, but they didn't turn me away.

770
00:55:12,320 --> 00:55:16,320
Speaker 1: At check I d at Faces, Pizzas, the Screaming Eagle,

771
00:55:17,000 --> 00:55:21,400
Speaker 1: Red Rooster, wherever the clubs were back in those days.

772
00:55:22,080 --> 00:55:26,000
Speaker 1: You understand me, because I'm with everybody else. I'm finally

773
00:55:26,040 --> 00:55:28,960
Speaker 1: wearing makeup, and I got my hat done. And I

774
00:55:29,120 --> 00:55:31,759
Speaker 1: was a major read in Texas Southern, you know what

775
00:55:31,840 --> 00:55:35,120
Speaker 1: I'm saying. And they let me in. Okay, and all

776
00:55:35,200 --> 00:55:38,000
Speaker 1: in pro football players because I was already attracted to

777
00:55:38,280 --> 00:55:41,440
Speaker 1: professional athletes, because my I lost my virginity one. But

778
00:55:41,640 --> 00:55:44,239
Speaker 1: something happened where he wasn't no longer interested in me

779
00:55:44,840 --> 00:55:48,200
Speaker 1: when I became when I was out of my mother's house.

780
00:55:48,840 --> 00:55:53,560
Speaker 1: Now I'm too grown for oh. So I was attracted

781
00:55:53,600 --> 00:55:56,880
Speaker 1: to other athletes, and I I turned into more of

782
00:55:56,960 --> 00:56:00,880
Speaker 1: what you call an athlete groupie. And I knew no

783
00:56:01,000 --> 00:56:04,440
Speaker 1: better than if one of these Houston Alas or Rockets

784
00:56:04,520 --> 00:56:07,439
Speaker 1: or whoever they were come up to me, the only

785
00:56:07,480 --> 00:56:11,120
Speaker 1: thing I know to do was give it up. Okay,

786
00:56:12,000 --> 00:56:14,320
Speaker 1: that was tramping because I didn't know you got stuff

787
00:56:14,800 --> 00:56:17,920
Speaker 1: for it. I didn't. I wasn't talk. I didn't get

788
00:56:17,960 --> 00:56:22,520
Speaker 1: that email. I didn't get that that information. So then

789
00:56:22,920 --> 00:56:27,440
Speaker 1: I'm still at Texas Southern. I mean radio, television communications

790
00:56:27,480 --> 00:56:32,239
Speaker 1: in theater. And a friend of mine who was the

791
00:56:32,360 --> 00:56:35,200
Speaker 1: conductor of the national tre for the Wiz, who was

792
00:56:35,280 --> 00:56:39,120
Speaker 1: also Smokey Robinson's bass player for twenty five years lead

793
00:56:39,200 --> 00:56:42,719
Speaker 1: bass player. Same was Larry Ball, one of the great

794
00:56:43,040 --> 00:56:46,600
Speaker 1: Is family come from the ink spots out of Chicago.

795
00:56:47,200 --> 00:56:52,439
Speaker 1: He met me, and I'll never forget Olivia Branch rest

796
00:56:52,520 --> 00:56:57,200
Speaker 1: in peace from Houston. She and Jennifer Holiday where the

797
00:56:57,280 --> 00:57:01,040
Speaker 1: two of the greatest singers that came out of that era,

798
00:57:01,680 --> 00:57:05,160
Speaker 1: and she played America, the beautiful gospel version for me

799
00:57:05,239 --> 00:57:08,720
Speaker 1: to audition to become an orchestra singer on the national

800
00:57:08,800 --> 00:57:12,279
Speaker 1: tour for the Wiz, and he allowed me, and he

801
00:57:12,400 --> 00:57:14,200
Speaker 1: was the one during the high and he brought me

802
00:57:14,320 --> 00:57:17,560
Speaker 1: on and he began to be my boyfriend. After that

803
00:57:17,680 --> 00:57:20,360
Speaker 1: tour was over and we toured, I think it closed out.

804
00:57:20,400 --> 00:57:23,200
Speaker 1: The last show was in New Orleans. I came back

805
00:57:24,680 --> 00:57:27,480
Speaker 1: and then a very dear friend of mine, Kathry Coleman, Dr.

806
00:57:27,600 --> 00:57:32,520
Speaker 1: John Bikoma's daughter was dating le Roy Johnson, the attorney

807
00:57:32,880 --> 00:57:36,720
Speaker 1: who is the brother of Rick James, and she said, girl,

808
00:57:36,840 --> 00:57:40,880
Speaker 1: Rick heirn to marry Jane girls. By this time I

809
00:57:41,480 --> 00:57:47,080
Speaker 1: came to I came in looking like um, small fatigue woman.

810
00:57:47,800 --> 00:57:50,000
Speaker 1: I had a scholarship. I was eating breakfast, luncheon, dinner

811
00:57:50,480 --> 00:57:53,000
Speaker 1: in the dorm. I was going to Frenches, Miss Bakers

812
00:57:53,680 --> 00:57:58,280
Speaker 1: Cream burger and everything else. I kept pop tarts in

813
00:57:58,360 --> 00:58:02,720
Speaker 1: my purse. I'm depressed because I'm not I'm broken hearted

814
00:58:02,760 --> 00:58:05,280
Speaker 1: because the man that I loved wasn't having nothing to

815
00:58:05,360 --> 00:58:08,160
Speaker 1: do with me, and now I'm putting all this mileage

816
00:58:08,240 --> 00:58:10,720
Speaker 1: on me. So I just started eating, and I became

817
00:58:10,720 --> 00:58:13,840
Speaker 1: two d and ten pounds. And my nickname in college

818
00:58:13,920 --> 00:58:18,440
Speaker 1: was Big Kathy A boom okay boom boom, like when

819
00:58:18,480 --> 00:58:22,280
Speaker 1: the drums played boom boom, the boom boom boo boo

820
00:58:22,280 --> 00:58:26,120
Speaker 1: boo boom. All right. So I'm depressed and people would say, oh,

821
00:58:26,320 --> 00:58:28,960
Speaker 1: you got some good air, but you're so big, and

822
00:58:29,040 --> 00:58:31,000
Speaker 1: I was just smiling and I just keep eating because

823
00:58:31,040 --> 00:58:35,160
Speaker 1: of my insides were just destroyed. So I went to

824
00:58:35,240 --> 00:58:39,840
Speaker 1: the audition with Rick at the staffer's motel next door

825
00:58:39,880 --> 00:58:42,360
Speaker 1: to the Summer which is Lakewood Church now. Went in

826
00:58:42,440 --> 00:58:46,960
Speaker 1: his suite. He was in the bathroom and I had

827
00:58:47,000 --> 00:58:48,800
Speaker 1: to go on that bathroom and he was sitting there

828
00:58:49,480 --> 00:58:51,960
Speaker 1: and we stayed in that bathroom and talked for hours,

829
00:58:52,800 --> 00:58:54,400
Speaker 1: and he said, why you ain't asked me for none

830
00:58:54,400 --> 00:59:01,560
Speaker 1: of this? I say, what is that? Okay? And then

831
00:59:01,920 --> 00:59:05,760
Speaker 1: he took our He took me on the tour. I

832
00:59:05,920 --> 00:59:08,760
Speaker 1: was not one of the marriage and girls. He said, girl,

833
00:59:08,840 --> 00:59:11,000
Speaker 1: big as you are, you are the marriage Jane girls.

834
00:59:12,920 --> 00:59:15,000
Speaker 1: So he let me go on the tour and I

835
00:59:15,200 --> 00:59:19,120
Speaker 1: ended up dating his brother, Carmen, who was the head

836
00:59:19,160 --> 00:59:23,400
Speaker 1: of the security. Carmen is still alive now, in his eighties,

837
00:59:25,280 --> 00:59:29,840
Speaker 1: and Rick and I became the best of friends. So

838
00:59:30,000 --> 00:59:33,840
Speaker 1: I thought we were friends in that life because we were.

839
00:59:34,280 --> 00:59:38,520
Speaker 1: Now we do things together, we're friends. And he believed

840
00:59:38,640 --> 00:59:41,240
Speaker 1: not to ever touch anything that his family had touched,

841
00:59:41,600 --> 00:59:46,800
Speaker 1: so we weren't ever intimate. Rick had a song that

842
00:59:46,960 --> 00:59:50,000
Speaker 1: people don't know anything about, and it's one of the

843
00:59:50,080 --> 00:59:53,840
Speaker 1: reasons why I probably was unpimpable. He saved me from

844
00:59:53,920 --> 00:59:56,000
Speaker 1: that because any pimp that ever tried to pimp met

845
00:59:56,160 --> 00:59:58,480
Speaker 1: they all knew on that in Hollywood, all as he

846
00:59:58,520 --> 01:00:00,240
Speaker 1: had towns or no no, no, no, no, no, you

847
01:00:00,320 --> 01:00:05,880
Speaker 1: can't shake on my No. I would have had a

848
01:00:05,960 --> 01:00:09,080
Speaker 1: pimp if they swallowed some DNA and got stuck in

849
01:00:09,120 --> 01:00:11,440
Speaker 1: every hole and theybody and gave me the money like

850
01:00:11,800 --> 01:00:14,040
Speaker 1: they wanted me to have that. If they couldn't do

851
01:00:14,120 --> 01:00:15,760
Speaker 1: that for me, why would I don't give them? How

852
01:00:15,920 --> 01:00:21,520
Speaker 1: is what I just went did, Joels, I've never understood that. Okay,

853
01:00:21,600 --> 01:00:26,840
Speaker 1: So the Cold Blood of Tour and eight three ended

854
01:00:26,880 --> 01:00:30,400
Speaker 1: in New Orleans. When the lights and the cameras and

855
01:00:30,480 --> 01:00:34,320
Speaker 1: the tour was over, and all of these cities we

856
01:00:34,400 --> 01:00:37,959
Speaker 1: went to, people would fill the table up with free dope,

857
01:00:38,120 --> 01:00:40,880
Speaker 1: and we called it free base back then, and to

858
01:00:41,000 --> 01:00:45,400
Speaker 1: this day, I've never ever had any free dope yet.

859
01:00:46,960 --> 01:00:51,920
Speaker 1: And when that because it cost me in the long one,

860
01:00:51,920 --> 01:00:53,920
Speaker 1: I didn't have to buy it then. But when the

861
01:00:54,040 --> 01:00:56,720
Speaker 1: lights and the cameras and the tour was over, I

862
01:00:56,840 --> 01:01:01,440
Speaker 1: had a thirty thousand dollar month addiction that slid like

863
01:01:01,600 --> 01:01:06,640
Speaker 1: a snake into my system. And I never understood about

864
01:01:06,680 --> 01:01:11,440
Speaker 1: the disease of addiction and it it was inherited. The

865
01:01:11,600 --> 01:01:14,600
Speaker 1: parents that raised me didn't do drugs or any of that. Hell,

866
01:01:14,640 --> 01:01:17,080
Speaker 1: the only words I heard in my household was damn ship.

867
01:01:18,280 --> 01:01:20,440
Speaker 1: I didn't. I never heard, motherfucker, none of that. When

868
01:01:20,480 --> 01:01:22,240
Speaker 1: you first started doing it, did you think you had

869
01:01:22,280 --> 01:01:25,440
Speaker 1: control of it? Well, I was. It was. I was

870
01:01:25,520 --> 01:01:27,840
Speaker 1: a sociable get high. I could get high on the

871
01:01:27,920 --> 01:01:30,880
Speaker 1: weekends and then I could go whatever. But I smoked

872
01:01:30,960 --> 01:01:33,640
Speaker 1: marijuana every day. But the more cocaine that was introduced

873
01:01:33,680 --> 01:01:36,640
Speaker 1: in my life, like me and Rick, you offer us

874
01:01:36,680 --> 01:01:39,080
Speaker 1: and we were we were ready to fight. You want

875
01:01:39,160 --> 01:01:43,280
Speaker 1: this ship because we were hooked, and back then it

876
01:01:43,440 --> 01:01:47,480
Speaker 1: was Peruvian flake, pink perubi, real dope. You look at

877
01:01:47,520 --> 01:01:49,400
Speaker 1: it and have to go use the bathroom. Me media,

878
01:01:49,680 --> 01:01:52,760
Speaker 1: your stomach bubble and you ain't even touched it because

879
01:01:52,800 --> 01:01:56,040
Speaker 1: it was that real el chopo in them and uh uh,

880
01:01:57,240 --> 01:02:02,080
Speaker 1: what was it? The first one that yeah him the

881
01:02:02,160 --> 01:02:06,760
Speaker 1: real ship, real real, real deal, so so so so,

882
01:02:07,920 --> 01:02:12,640
Speaker 1: And it took me to how how you like how

883
01:02:12,760 --> 01:02:15,000
Speaker 1: you ended up? Nobody gave me free dope when I

884
01:02:15,120 --> 01:02:16,640
Speaker 1: wasn't on to a y rick, so I had to.

885
01:02:17,440 --> 01:02:20,000
Speaker 1: It took me from Beverly Hills to under the trash dumption,

886
01:02:20,120 --> 01:02:23,440
Speaker 1: behind the trash dumpster to feed that habit my habits

887
01:02:23,480 --> 01:02:26,400
Speaker 1: and feed me by any means necessary. It got so

888
01:02:26,520 --> 01:02:29,080
Speaker 1: bad I would even give my body up for a

889
01:02:29,160 --> 01:02:31,160
Speaker 1: push on the pipe and it wasn't nothing on the

890
01:02:31,200 --> 01:02:33,280
Speaker 1: pipe when I pushed it, and the thriller would be on.

891
01:02:33,920 --> 01:02:36,400
Speaker 1: So the first time that you so, the first time

892
01:02:36,480 --> 01:02:39,200
Speaker 1: that you prostituted yourself, you really didn't. You really didn't

893
01:02:39,200 --> 01:02:42,760
Speaker 1: think he was prostituted. I didn't care what it was.

894
01:02:43,200 --> 01:02:46,600
Speaker 1: I needed to feel that high because it took away

895
01:02:46,640 --> 01:02:49,760
Speaker 1: all of that depression temporarily from how did I go

896
01:02:49,880 --> 01:02:53,240
Speaker 1: from being a college student and I was headed this

897
01:02:53,400 --> 01:02:56,280
Speaker 1: way and I got distracted on the way. That's why

898
01:02:56,400 --> 01:02:58,240
Speaker 1: that song with the whistles is so important to me

899
01:02:58,560 --> 01:03:02,000
Speaker 1: and Rick had a song called Pimp the Simp. His

900
01:03:02,160 --> 01:03:05,680
Speaker 1: best friend Mary had a pimp who put her on

901
01:03:05,800 --> 01:03:09,520
Speaker 1: the street. It was no accident. She was found in

902
01:03:09,560 --> 01:03:13,680
Speaker 1: a hotel suite, face down on the floor, lying in

903
01:03:13,840 --> 01:03:17,320
Speaker 1: her underwear. No one even cried, and no one even

904
01:03:17,360 --> 01:03:20,320
Speaker 1: seemed to care that Mary had a pimp. Mary had

905
01:03:20,360 --> 01:03:23,600
Speaker 1: a p i MP. Mary's gone crazy, Mary's gone out

906
01:03:23,640 --> 01:03:26,720
Speaker 1: of her mind. Didn't she know the price she had

907
01:03:26,800 --> 01:03:30,160
Speaker 1: to pay was high to be a whole? Didn't she know?

908
01:03:30,480 --> 01:03:33,360
Speaker 1: Out there on the street selling her body for pain

909
01:03:34,320 --> 01:03:37,880
Speaker 1: and ended up spending her money on clothes so he

910
01:03:37,920 --> 01:03:40,480
Speaker 1: could dress funny, And she ended up in a motel

911
01:03:40,560 --> 01:03:43,880
Speaker 1: room with the comforts of a silver spoon. And he

912
01:03:44,320 --> 01:03:46,160
Speaker 1: he's you know, And he said, you pimp, you simp

913
01:03:46,280 --> 01:03:49,000
Speaker 1: out on the street, messing with all of the girls

914
01:03:49,040 --> 01:03:51,200
Speaker 1: as unique with fake diamonds on your fingers and cattle

915
01:03:51,280 --> 01:03:53,840
Speaker 1: that cars running in and out of the local ball

916
01:03:54,080 --> 01:03:55,920
Speaker 1: Now you catch them, you school them, you teach him

917
01:03:55,960 --> 01:03:58,440
Speaker 1: the game. Next thing you know, the girl is gone insane.

918
01:03:59,640 --> 01:04:03,840
Speaker 1: You know, p i MP, You simp? He hated pimps.

919
01:04:04,080 --> 01:04:05,640
Speaker 1: If a girl was gonna sell a body and let

920
01:04:05,680 --> 01:04:08,000
Speaker 1: her do it our own, don't take the money. Don't

921
01:04:08,040 --> 01:04:11,400
Speaker 1: take the money. If you're gonna watch over, you need

922
01:04:11,440 --> 01:04:14,520
Speaker 1: to have a profession too. But don't you know, and

923
01:04:14,600 --> 01:04:17,760
Speaker 1: it's just dump them like the trash, just dump them.

924
01:04:18,360 --> 01:04:21,760
Speaker 1: So and he taught me, if that man can't do

925
01:04:21,880 --> 01:04:24,800
Speaker 1: what you're doing and give you his money, then don't

926
01:04:24,840 --> 01:04:28,880
Speaker 1: you don't you give him your money? Rick taught me that. Yeah,

927
01:04:29,440 --> 01:04:32,800
Speaker 1: so so so I guess you would have like, uh,

928
01:04:33,240 --> 01:04:38,640
Speaker 1: it would be like an interesting uh dichotomy of emotions

929
01:04:38,720 --> 01:04:41,600
Speaker 1: for you when you think about when you think about

930
01:04:41,960 --> 01:04:45,720
Speaker 1: your relationship with Rick as Rick being the person that

931
01:04:46,240 --> 01:04:50,280
Speaker 1: seemingly looked out for you and the day he realized

932
01:04:50,320 --> 01:04:55,320
Speaker 1: that he cocin to me, broke down and cried and

933
01:04:55,400 --> 01:05:00,360
Speaker 1: he apologized. M h. Now, Rick had different person now ladies,

934
01:05:01,400 --> 01:05:07,000
Speaker 1: many different personalities. But Rick and I went through a

935
01:05:07,120 --> 01:05:10,120
Speaker 1: lot as just friends. Because I was the key witness

936
01:05:10,160 --> 01:05:13,439
Speaker 1: in his trial. Rick never kidnapped I'm in the book.

937
01:05:13,960 --> 01:05:16,720
Speaker 1: Rick never kidnapped the girl to burn her with the pipe.

938
01:05:17,400 --> 01:05:22,000
Speaker 1: I took her there And that's a whole another story

939
01:05:22,040 --> 01:05:24,880
Speaker 1: for a whole another time. I was the key witness

940
01:05:24,960 --> 01:05:28,440
Speaker 1: in the trial. Absolutely, what was the Was there a

941
01:05:28,560 --> 01:05:32,080
Speaker 1: breaking point for you to just for you to get

942
01:05:32,120 --> 01:05:35,160
Speaker 1: away from the life that was there a time that

943
01:05:35,320 --> 01:05:39,960
Speaker 1: you came to the I wugs. I went to town.

944
01:05:40,240 --> 01:05:44,120
Speaker 1: I got a doctor degree of reabiology. I would always

945
01:05:44,280 --> 01:05:47,400
Speaker 1: you gotta understand, I'm in the poo me syndrome. First

946
01:05:47,440 --> 01:05:51,959
Speaker 1: of all, poo me pullman, another hit pullman, another dope sack.

947
01:05:53,120 --> 01:05:56,400
Speaker 1: Now listen to me. I'm already figuring I've messed up

948
01:05:56,440 --> 01:06:00,280
Speaker 1: my life, my scholarship. Now I have three children. Drink

949
01:06:01,720 --> 01:06:05,640
Speaker 1: there's somebody's baby. Somebody might be baby, and it could

950
01:06:05,680 --> 01:06:09,480
Speaker 1: have been yo baby. I'm just saying. And I had

951
01:06:09,520 --> 01:06:11,240
Speaker 1: to live with the fact that I got the Rainbow

952
01:06:11,320 --> 01:06:15,040
Speaker 1: Coalition for daughters. I got to live with the stigma

953
01:06:15,160 --> 01:06:17,400
Speaker 1: I'm I'm an ex crackhead or I'm a I'm a

954
01:06:17,480 --> 01:06:21,680
Speaker 1: crackhead old because I wasn't the ex then, so I'm

955
01:06:21,720 --> 01:06:26,040
Speaker 1: selling that pulled me pulled me syndrome. So I had

956
01:06:26,080 --> 01:06:29,080
Speaker 1: to get high to keep that those voices from coming.

957
01:06:29,840 --> 01:06:32,560
Speaker 1: And then I had I got so focused on trying

958
01:06:32,600 --> 01:06:35,240
Speaker 1: to get the next high that I blocked out reality

959
01:06:35,720 --> 01:06:37,400
Speaker 1: and all I was focused on is how I'm gonna

960
01:06:37,400 --> 01:06:40,680
Speaker 1: get that next sick because I've already destroyed everything. So

961
01:06:40,800 --> 01:06:44,560
Speaker 1: I go into treatment to fatten up, make my family happy,

962
01:06:44,880 --> 01:06:47,480
Speaker 1: see my kids for a minute, so I could go

963
01:06:47,560 --> 01:06:49,000
Speaker 1: back out there and smoke some to make sure I

964
01:06:49,040 --> 01:06:51,400
Speaker 1: didn't catch nothing they couldn't get rid of, and go

965
01:06:51,520 --> 01:06:54,520
Speaker 1: back and smoke some more dope because I'm figuring nobody will.

966
01:06:54,560 --> 01:06:56,040
Speaker 1: I'm I've been to the penotential and now I've been

967
01:06:56,080 --> 01:06:57,880
Speaker 1: to jail. On my I got an X on my back.

968
01:06:58,120 --> 01:06:59,840
Speaker 1: My name is eight O three four folk j c

969
01:07:00,160 --> 01:07:03,000
Speaker 1: Ain't nobody gonna give me no job. I'm worthless. I'm

970
01:07:03,040 --> 01:07:06,000
Speaker 1: a piece of ship. I've been so low I gotta

971
01:07:06,000 --> 01:07:07,840
Speaker 1: look up to see the bottom of my feet. Poe

972
01:07:07,960 --> 01:07:12,640
Speaker 1: is me, Woe is me? That bullshit until that last

973
01:07:14,720 --> 01:07:21,320
Speaker 1: arrest where it was three strikes you out, and I

974
01:07:21,520 --> 01:07:23,880
Speaker 1: was the guinea pig, one of the guinea pigs for

975
01:07:23,960 --> 01:07:27,640
Speaker 1: the Harris County Star Drug Court program, and at this

976
01:07:27,720 --> 01:07:29,400
Speaker 1: point I had been the one reab and I said

977
01:07:29,400 --> 01:07:32,360
Speaker 1: that ship don't work. I even did the meetings and

978
01:07:32,360 --> 01:07:34,800
Speaker 1: all that men in the meetings thirteen steps of me,

979
01:07:34,840 --> 01:07:38,640
Speaker 1: and they had getting relationships and stuff. I just, you know,

980
01:07:39,640 --> 01:07:45,440
Speaker 1: so when that judge told me we're gonna every the

981
01:07:45,560 --> 01:07:47,840
Speaker 1: d a's office said, you'll never be able to complete this.

982
01:07:49,040 --> 01:07:51,160
Speaker 1: I believe that judge told me she was a Republican,

983
01:07:51,200 --> 01:07:54,400
Speaker 1: white Republican judge. She said, I believe her name was

984
01:07:54,480 --> 01:07:59,480
Speaker 1: Caprice Cosper. I love her. Yeah, it's important that god

985
01:07:59,800 --> 01:08:04,440
Speaker 1: her name is Judge Caprice Cosper from the three thirty

986
01:08:04,600 --> 01:08:16,320
Speaker 1: ninth Criminal Court back in two thousand three. Okay, and

987
01:08:16,439 --> 01:08:24,719
Speaker 1: the court coordinator Mary Covington. Now, they had a wager

988
01:08:26,560 --> 01:08:29,840
Speaker 1: if I made it, the d a's office had to

989
01:08:29,880 --> 01:08:34,080
Speaker 1: buy the judge in her staff lunch if I didn't

990
01:08:34,120 --> 01:08:41,800
Speaker 1: make it, vice versa, me being the dopeine, Oh, you

991
01:08:41,920 --> 01:08:43,320
Speaker 1: tell me what I can't do, I'm gonna show you

992
01:08:43,360 --> 01:08:45,800
Speaker 1: that I can. I wasn't even thinking that it was

993
01:08:45,880 --> 01:08:49,960
Speaker 1: humanly possible at this particular moment, before I found out

994
01:08:50,000 --> 01:08:52,400
Speaker 1: what the sentencing was, that I could ever be sober.

995
01:08:53,600 --> 01:08:56,960
Speaker 1: Here's another one of these bullship programs. When she told me,

996
01:08:57,080 --> 01:09:01,600
Speaker 1: if you mess up one time, the mind you just

997
01:09:01,720 --> 01:09:04,280
Speaker 1: the one only time, and my prostitutions that history. I

998
01:09:04,400 --> 01:09:07,599
Speaker 1: wasn't owing. I was standing on the corner, living in stuff,

999
01:09:07,640 --> 01:09:12,920
Speaker 1: and uh greg, it was raining. I had some dope,

1000
01:09:13,479 --> 01:09:17,640
Speaker 1: I had somebody else's weeds, and I had my my

1001
01:09:17,800 --> 01:09:21,559
Speaker 1: pike in my bro because just like a preacher carry

1002
01:09:21,600 --> 01:09:24,960
Speaker 1: his bible, that was mine. That was my best friend.

1003
01:09:25,600 --> 01:09:28,200
Speaker 1: And if we go down, we're going down together. This

1004
01:09:28,360 --> 01:09:29,880
Speaker 1: man pulled up and said, you need to ride because

1005
01:09:29,880 --> 01:09:33,200
Speaker 1: it was raining. I said yeah, but yeah, I just

1006
01:09:33,240 --> 01:09:34,760
Speaker 1: need to go around the corner because I was staying

1007
01:09:34,760 --> 01:09:38,000
Speaker 1: at the room and I was on Bringhurst off Liberty Road.

1008
01:09:39,640 --> 01:09:41,280
Speaker 1: He said, you don't want to do nothing. I say, no, no, no,

1009
01:09:41,360 --> 01:09:43,760
Speaker 1: I'm good. I just need to I just need to

1010
01:09:43,880 --> 01:09:45,760
Speaker 1: ride to get to the house. He said, come on,

1011
01:09:45,800 --> 01:09:47,120
Speaker 1: you don't want to do nothing. I got the money.

1012
01:09:47,120 --> 01:09:50,439
Speaker 1: I said, no, I don't want to do nothing. I said,

1013
01:09:50,479 --> 01:09:54,000
Speaker 1: just drop me off. He said, okay. We made around

1014
01:09:54,040 --> 01:09:56,200
Speaker 1: that corner. When I got out, the call police came

1015
01:09:56,200 --> 01:09:59,240
Speaker 1: from everywhere. I was on a sting because I had

1016
01:09:59,360 --> 01:10:03,000
Speaker 1: prior and I got in the car with the undercover.

1017
01:10:03,640 --> 01:10:08,280
Speaker 1: There was probable cause that I could be prostituting, and

1018
01:10:08,360 --> 01:10:11,679
Speaker 1: I got caught with my crack pipe. So the sixth

1019
01:10:11,720 --> 01:10:15,439
Speaker 1: prostitution carried twenty five of life. Then I had a

1020
01:10:15,840 --> 01:10:19,920
Speaker 1: possession of a controlled substance less than a graham that

1021
01:10:20,000 --> 01:10:22,200
Speaker 1: would warrant me to have still been in the penitentiary

1022
01:10:22,280 --> 01:10:25,559
Speaker 1: to this day. The judge told me, if you missed

1023
01:10:25,640 --> 01:10:31,400
Speaker 1: this program up one time, you will serve thirty three years.

1024
01:10:33,800 --> 01:10:37,240
Speaker 1: When I heard that a light bulb went on. She

1025
01:10:37,320 --> 01:10:41,120
Speaker 1: could have said three thousand years a day for that.

1026
01:10:41,200 --> 01:10:43,680
Speaker 1: I don't care whatever it was that she said to me,

1027
01:10:46,040 --> 01:10:50,800
Speaker 1: the taste of crack, the urge to have to turn

1028
01:10:50,880 --> 01:10:55,360
Speaker 1: a trick. Everything that I had known for twenty two

1029
01:10:55,520 --> 01:11:01,560
Speaker 1: years vanished, and by any legal means necessary, did my

1030
01:11:01,840 --> 01:11:06,760
Speaker 1: miraculous change happen that second? And I live my life

1031
01:11:06,840 --> 01:11:11,479
Speaker 1: today listening to I got a file in the d

1032
01:11:11,600 --> 01:11:15,320
Speaker 1: a's office doing push ups, waiting on me to slip up, up,

1033
01:11:15,479 --> 01:11:19,800
Speaker 1: mess up. And I've had millions of individuals that I

1034
01:11:19,880 --> 01:11:24,479
Speaker 1: have been there, peer to peer, hope and counselor and coach.

1035
01:11:25,800 --> 01:11:29,680
Speaker 1: I have to live my life exactly the way that

1036
01:11:29,840 --> 01:11:32,599
Speaker 1: I speak it, because if I fall, I would take

1037
01:11:34,000 --> 01:11:37,719
Speaker 1: a lot of people. Now, how many people a million?

1038
01:11:38,120 --> 01:11:43,200
Speaker 1: I have not saved? I have suggested and guided. I

1039
01:11:43,280 --> 01:11:46,000
Speaker 1: ain't Jesus, I ain't God. I can't say nobody. I

1040
01:11:46,120 --> 01:11:49,320
Speaker 1: am a servant. I am a warrior, and my job

1041
01:11:49,720 --> 01:11:54,160
Speaker 1: is to let whatever spirit telling me that I know.

1042
01:11:54,720 --> 01:11:57,559
Speaker 1: It's more important for me to know what true wisdom

1043
01:11:57,760 --> 01:12:01,000
Speaker 1: is to than to be wise and done. Um, so

1044
01:12:01,120 --> 01:12:04,040
Speaker 1: many of us are incarcerating it before we even get

1045
01:12:04,080 --> 01:12:07,160
Speaker 1: to the penitentiary because we think we got freedom, but

1046
01:12:07,280 --> 01:12:11,080
Speaker 1: we're being free and dumb because nobody ever took the

1047
01:12:11,160 --> 01:12:14,560
Speaker 1: time to break it down, even in programs and the

1048
01:12:14,640 --> 01:12:18,320
Speaker 1: recidivism race. Why people can't get it is because there

1049
01:12:18,320 --> 01:12:22,720
Speaker 1: are those who can only learnt by otto. There's some

1050
01:12:22,960 --> 01:12:27,320
Speaker 1: that can learn by sight visuals, There's some who can

1051
01:12:27,400 --> 01:12:31,760
Speaker 1: only learn by reading it academically, and then there are

1052
01:12:31,800 --> 01:12:35,280
Speaker 1: those who can only hear it through spirituality the way

1053
01:12:35,360 --> 01:12:39,479
Speaker 1: they see it. So there are many pathways to recovery.

1054
01:12:40,040 --> 01:12:42,439
Speaker 1: You just have to find the one that really works

1055
01:12:42,920 --> 01:12:46,280
Speaker 1: for you. Right, And how can people reach out to

1056
01:12:46,360 --> 01:12:49,880
Speaker 1: you and you know, try to get some help. I'm

1057
01:12:49,920 --> 01:12:56,560
Speaker 1: at to Preston on the third floor. Yeah, well you

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Speaker 1: can go to Harris kind of Constable Precinct one's website. Um,

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Speaker 1: I'm I have a number that everybody knows eight three

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Speaker 1: too to seven three six two seven three. I do

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Speaker 1: a weekly Wednesday. We call it whole Class, which stands

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Speaker 1: for helping others. Excel. I didn't name it that the

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Speaker 1: the individuals the clients did. It's open to male, female,

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Speaker 1: young and old. Um. It is run by us. It's

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Speaker 1: there because we get to talk about This isn't a

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Speaker 1: This isn't a place where you come say, oh, Garl,

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Speaker 1: let me tell you what she says she did, Because

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Speaker 1: what you're doing when you do that, if somebody is

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Speaker 1: telling this story and you pick it up, you just

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Speaker 1: picked up their ship that they just expelled. That's like

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Speaker 1: you eating for six months and you're not using the bathroom.

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Speaker 1: You will be constipating full of ship. Right, So when

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Speaker 1: you release it, are you gonna reach back in the

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Speaker 1: toilet and put it back. No. So every time somebody

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Speaker 1: pick up your ship that you just put out there,

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Speaker 1: you have to pray for them. And they just picked

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Speaker 1: up the oship on top of that ship, so now

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Speaker 1: they really feel the ship. So this is a place

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Speaker 1: where we are really adults and we can talk about anything.

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Speaker 1: I'm just did you know, did you know they can't rap?

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Speaker 1: I'm leaving. I was sitting on the corner. I was

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Speaker 1: feeling fine. I just went down the street and about

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Speaker 1: fat that went around the back. Whether Niolas was at,

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Speaker 1: That's where I saw old man get jackis off. Earl

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Speaker 1: made a deal all that was dope theme raps that's

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Speaker 1: kind of synonistic. Took me through sit down ladies and

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Speaker 1: gentleman audience. I don't I hope that nobody was offended.

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Speaker 1: But this has been one reel and I do know

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Speaker 1: how to speak. When I have to, I can animate

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Speaker 1: the animal stitism tricker at the sensibilities is nothing like.

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Speaker 1: This is all this act because God made me that way.

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Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, Kathy Christians, we really do appreciate you.

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Speaker 1: I don't believe it, and I want to just say

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Speaker 1: that let me show you if man had control over

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Speaker 1: what an ex defender x con could do on the

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Speaker 1: fourteen And I've been asked by the Texas the State

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Speaker 1: of Texas Pardoner and Parole Board to represent this country

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Speaker 1: and this state at the Association of Pardoning Parole Board

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Speaker 1: Members International, who are all partnering Parole board members across

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Speaker 1: the world, because they all want to know why our

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Speaker 1: Row Away to Freedom that is housed in the Texas

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Speaker 1: Department of Corrections, which is the only only sex sexual

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Speaker 1: um industry prostitution, so human sex trafficking, sexual abuse, substance abuse,

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Speaker 1: domestic violence trauma informed program in the world that was

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Speaker 1: founded by God in me, and I will represent them

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Speaker 1: because they want to put this program in their prisons

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Speaker 1: across the world. So and then I wanted to be

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Speaker 1: known that the entire Partner in Poor Road board unanimously

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Speaker 1: approved my pardon and send it to the Governor. And

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Speaker 1: as far as we know, the governor has never signed

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Speaker 1: a pardon for any African American male or female as

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Speaker 1: of yet. And it doesn't matter because I've still been

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Speaker 1: able to do what I have to do with an

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Speaker 1: X on my back. Stop using that as an excuse.

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Speaker 1: Everybody wants somebody who's gonna suit up, show up, not

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Speaker 1: steal their ship, act like they want to be there

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Speaker 1: and want to do something better. So I'm just honored

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Speaker 1: that even that the Pardoner in Parole Board would uns

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Speaker 1: unanimously approved me. That's a great honor because as old

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Speaker 1: as I am now you know this, don't stop to

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Speaker 1: my cast and dropped. And I've lived a lot longer

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Speaker 1: than I got left, so I know I'm living and

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Speaker 1: walking in my purpose. Yeah, there's an old saying family that, uh,

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Speaker 1: every saint has a past and every center has a future,

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Speaker 1: and Kathy Griffin has and Machi epitomizes both Jessus Saint man,

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Speaker 1: you do what I'm saying. Motivated man. We love you,

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Speaker 1: I love y'all. Thank you. You're gonna give me a

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Speaker 1: record deal, so rapt in. It's gonna be the grantite work.

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Speaker 1: Get in the boot right now, let's go. God, bless

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Speaker 1: all of you. Thank you for having me. This episode

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Speaker 1: was produced by a King and brought to you by

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