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Speaker 1: take it to a bank. Together, we will make America

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Speaker 1: great again. It's what you've been waiting for all day.

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Speaker 1: you team. Thank you so much for joining. Great to

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Speaker 1: have you. Welcome to the Freedom Hunt. Docca oh my,

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Speaker 1: a lot to discuss on the Deferred Action for Childhood

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Speaker 1: something wrong. Does that mean that now all of a

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Speaker 1: sudden you know there's no such thing as a white

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Speaker 1: collar crime? Because I mean, they're nice, They got families.

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Speaker 1: This is the game that they're playing. This is the

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Speaker 1: game that they're playing. So because the parents brought the children,

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Speaker 1: now no one can be held accountable. Now, no one's

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Speaker 1: accountable for anything. That's an interesting distinction that they draw. Now,

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Speaker 1: Mickey Cows had a great and and he is I

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Speaker 1: think he I mean he is. I think he's a Democrat. Um,

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, I shouldn't say because I'm

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Speaker 1: not sure. But he's hawkish on border things. He wrote

435
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Speaker 1: a commentary piece got picked up by the Chicago Tribune

436
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Speaker 1: about not buying into all don't buy into all of

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Speaker 1: that rosy PR about DOCCA, And it's true. DOCCA is

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Speaker 1: a PR campaign they have they have managed to take

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Speaker 1: and the media is not just complicit in this, they're

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Speaker 1: leading the charge. They have the most sympathetic group of

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Speaker 1: illegal immigrants they can possibly find, And this is where

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Speaker 1: all of the discussion has to focus. We can't talk

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Speaker 1: about all the other people are here illegally that we

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Speaker 1: can't talk about that. Even if we got a wall,

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Speaker 1: there's a lot of other stuff that has to happen

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Speaker 1: to to shore up our immigration system. You know, you

447
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Speaker 1: had I think the number for TAM was seven hundred thousand.

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Speaker 1: Actually visa overstays, and a good chunk of them are

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Speaker 1: long term visa overstays. Something in the neighbor of a

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Speaker 1: half a million. Now, does that mean they're still in

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Speaker 1: the country. They don't know, but they know that they've

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Speaker 1: stayed for quite a while. How many people that come

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Speaker 1: to America are going to overstay their visa unless they

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Speaker 1: plan on staying forever, because if you do that, I

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Speaker 1: think you can't come back for five or ten years.

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Speaker 1: There's some there's their repercussions for that. So if you're

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Speaker 1: gonna overstay your visa, there's a reason. So what are

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Speaker 1: we to do about that? That would mean that you

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Speaker 1: have to have interior enforcement. The only the only interior

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Speaker 1: enforcement that's gonna be worth anything is workplace enforcement. And

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Speaker 1: if you're here illegally, you're not you're not gonna be

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Speaker 1: allowed of work, which also means you're gonna have to

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Speaker 1: penalize employers that are hiring illegals, which if you're not

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Speaker 1: willing to do that, if you're not willing to take

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Speaker 1: these steps. A wall is great, and I want a

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Speaker 1: wall and all that, but now you're just gonna have

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Speaker 1: other people are gonna find other ways to come in

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Speaker 1: and stay and be in the country illegally. And if

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Speaker 1: being in the country illegally is not a problem, and

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Speaker 1: then there's no argument against then there's no argument for

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Speaker 1: for immigration. I mean, just let everybody come, if you

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Speaker 1: call me stay. Of course, the government at some level,

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Speaker 1: even the even the most radical left wing status in

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Speaker 1: the Democratic Party, they kind of want to know who's

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Speaker 1: here so that they can both get the electoral benefits

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Speaker 1: and and you know, the census benefits of knowing who's here.

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Speaker 1: You know, they want to they want to have a

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Speaker 1: way to quantify the population inside the United States so

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Speaker 1: that they can tax them and or know who they're

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Speaker 1: gonna be giving tax dollars to in one form or another. Right,

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Speaker 1: So they want to know, but they don't want to

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Speaker 1: stop anyone. That's always the question that I don't get

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Speaker 1: that doesn't get asked in all these interviews with policymakers

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Speaker 1: and everybody else, which is what who's not allowed to stay?

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Speaker 1: Who's not allowed to stay? The guy who killed Kate

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Speaker 1: Steinley in San Francisco, he had been deported I think

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Speaker 1: five times already, so he was clearly allowed to stay

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Speaker 1: kept getting into the country too. I don't think that

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Speaker 1: he was some sort of border immigration evasion genius. I

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Speaker 1: think he just managed to come to the country five

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Speaker 1: times after being deported because it's not that hard. If

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Speaker 1: it's not that hard, we should probably ask why. And

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Speaker 1: Chuck Schumer's don't get game. If you know, let's alluiciate

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Speaker 1: for a Okay, well, what's Chuck Schumer's solution. The answer

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Speaker 1: is there's no solution. And then that brings me and

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Speaker 1: I mean, I could get into this all day the board.

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Speaker 1: People talk about border security from the Democrat Party are

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Speaker 1: lying to you. They are lying to your face. So

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Speaker 1: start with that, make no mistake about it. They're lying, okay,

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Speaker 1: and then get into what the real number is going

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Speaker 1: to be because if you think, and this is where

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Speaker 1: this Mickey Cow's column I think really hits its stride

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Speaker 1: and makes some great points. Um, there will be chain

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Speaker 1: migration through this. Here's what he says. Under chain migration

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Speaker 1: rules established quote. Under chain migration rules established in nineteen five,

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Speaker 1: ironically as a stop to conservatives who foolishly thought that

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Speaker 1: they'd boost European inflows, new citizens can bring in their

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Speaker 1: siblings and adult children, who can bring in their siblings

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Speaker 1: and in laws until whole villages have moved to the

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Speaker 1: United States. That means today's doctor recipients would become million,

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Speaker 1: would become millions of newcomers who may well be low skilled,

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Speaker 1: and who would almost certainly include the parents who brought them,

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Speaker 1: the ones who, in theory, are at fault. If you

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Speaker 1: get DACCA, which is a firred action for childhood arrivals,

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Speaker 1: you are going to get DAPPA, which is deferred action

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Speaker 1: for the parents of arrivals. That's just gonna happen. No way,

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Speaker 1: no way you're gonna let DACCA people stay in the

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Speaker 1: country and then deport their parents. No way, you're gonna

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Speaker 1: let DACA people, through an active Congress signed by this president,

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Speaker 1: stay in the country and not offer some legal status

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Speaker 1: to their parents. And legal status is forever. Legal status

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Speaker 1: doesn't go away. The problem with DOC under the abdministration

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Speaker 1: is that it was not legal. It was just the

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Speaker 1: president saying this is what it is. Well, that's not

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Speaker 1: how it works, President Obama, but here we are. So

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Speaker 1: if you get any status, you're gonna have it forever.

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Speaker 1: The number is gonna be much bigger. And then you

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Speaker 1: get into the realities of this program, which is that

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Speaker 1: for you've got people that are like in their thirties

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Speaker 1: that are saying, oh, I was brought here when I'm

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Speaker 1: everybody was brought when they were five by their parents. Right,

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Speaker 1: that's gonna be the way this goes. And you say, oh, buck,

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Speaker 1: but they're gonna quest proof and they'll be documentation. How

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Speaker 1: long do you think that's gonna take? There? There are

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Speaker 1: armies of activists, immigration lawyers, Democrat party up apparatchicks of

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Speaker 1: one kind or another, armies of them out there who

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Speaker 1: because of the politics here, which is about changing the

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Speaker 1: electoral map for the Democrats, make no mistake, that's also

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Speaker 1: a big aspect of this. They're going to take up

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Speaker 1: the cases of anybody, anyone who says that there DOCCA,

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Speaker 1: just like I should note when we had that surge

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Speaker 1: of Central American migrants of the border who were refugees,

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Speaker 1: all of a sudden, they were turning themselves in under

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Speaker 1: the Obama administration to border patrol, saying here I am,

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Speaker 1: and they show up and there, I promise you there

546
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Speaker 1: were a lot of twenty three year olds who were saying,

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Speaker 1: there were sixteen who's gonna you know, why not? And

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Speaker 1: we found out that that, of course is true, and

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Speaker 1: a vast majority of those who came here I have

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Speaker 1: been allowed to stay inside the country, and that was

551
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Speaker 1: just a big open door and the whole thing. But

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Speaker 1: the number is going to be much bigger. And also

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Speaker 1: they're going to abuse the bureaucratic sloth and inertia of

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Speaker 1: the federal government in order to play the system. They're

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Speaker 1: gonna stay and they're gonna sue, and they're gonna claim

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Speaker 1: that they that they deserve all these benefits under DOCCA,

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Speaker 1: and how can you prove they're not. And it's just

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Speaker 1: and we're gonna see, you know, one weepy eyed conversation

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Speaker 1: on MSNBC and CNN after another and everything. Yeah, that's

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Speaker 1: how it's gonna be. It's not just gonna be for

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Speaker 1: valiant young people contributing the economy, in the armed first,

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Speaker 1: in the armed forces, valedictorians, there will be some of that,

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Speaker 1: but there's gonna be hundreds of thousands of just people

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Speaker 1: that were brought here as teenagers sixteen, seventeen, eighteen, who

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Speaker 1: knows how old by their parents or just came here

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Speaker 1: on their own and said they were brought here and

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Speaker 1: going to challenge the federal government to prove otherwise. So

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Speaker 1: you will see that that's what will happen here, Which

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Speaker 1: brings me to what is trump game here? What what

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Speaker 1: is the negotiation? He's the great dealmaker. To be fair,

571
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Speaker 1: we have not seen yet great deal making an action

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Speaker 1: that involves the Congress, and we had a previous call.

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Speaker 1: They're saying, look, you gotta blame the Congress here. Okay,

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Speaker 1: if you take that perspective, I still want to understand

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Speaker 1: if it's Congress is fault that Trump has to reach

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Speaker 1: out to Democrats, I still want to know, Well, then,

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Speaker 1: what's Trump's endgame here? Because if he gives, if he

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Speaker 1: gives on DOCCA and clears the way for the Republican

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Speaker 1: majority Congress to push legislation through and he will sign

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Speaker 1: it that enshrines a a status a legal status for

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Speaker 1: people under DOCCA, He's given away one of his best,

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Speaker 1: most important bargaining chips in the who immigration process. He's saying,

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Speaker 1: we're going to do all this stuff and we're gonna

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Speaker 1: get a deal. And you know, it should concern you

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Speaker 1: that Nancy Pelosi is so favorable about this. I believe

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Speaker 1: that we've had enough conversation with the President with enough

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Speaker 1: reader ration of his commitment to protect the dreamers. In fact, publicly,

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Speaker 1: he saw his statements today that it wouldn't be wise

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Speaker 1: to send uh these young people back. So yes, I

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Speaker 1: think we have votes, So it's a question. I had

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Speaker 1: no question that if we put to go on the floor,

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Speaker 1: that would win. And for these and other reasons, I

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Speaker 1: believe that the president, oh, because of conviction, but because

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Speaker 1: of reality, is there for the dreamers. The president is

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Speaker 1: there for the dreamers. Nancy Pelosi says, maybe she's wrong,

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Speaker 1: maybe that's not true. But if it is true, and

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Speaker 1: based on his tweets, I don't know, maybe it's all

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Speaker 1: a head fake. Maybe I can't see what's coming here

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Speaker 1: from him. I should I should note though Ronald Reagan

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Speaker 1: got swindled on an amnesty Ronald Reagan, that's right. I'm

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Speaker 1: sure for many of you listening your favorite president of

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Speaker 1: the twentieth century, probably your favorite president, or least in

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Speaker 1: the top five of all time. Ronald Reagan uh did

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Speaker 1: not get what he thought he was getting with amnesty

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Speaker 1: back in the eighties. This is just a fact. It

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Speaker 1: was bigger than they said it was going to be.

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Speaker 1: The enforcement did not happen, it was well, and it

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Speaker 1: also resulted in in a huge wave of more legal

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Speaker 1: immigration afterwards, because they thought it would just be another

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Speaker 1: time until we get an amnesty. Guess what would happen now? Oh,

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Speaker 1: this is the DOCCA is the last time DOCA is

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Speaker 1: gonna be the last time? Does anybody believe that? I

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Speaker 1: know you don't believe that this is the last time

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Speaker 1: we're gonna have an embassy for illegals? Started to ask

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Speaker 1: the question, well, why, I mean, if I can come

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Speaker 1: here and beat illegal, not pay taxes, not be prosecuted,

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Speaker 1: I should know for not paying taxes and getting paid

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Speaker 1: under the table. Uh, in many cases, that's the that

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Speaker 1: is true. You know why I go through the legal

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Speaker 1: immigration process. Just gotta keep your head down for five

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Speaker 1: maybe ten years you have another amnesty, and the more

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Speaker 1: amnissaes you have there's a momentum to this, the stronger

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Speaker 1: the impulse among Democrats and Republicans of the Paul Ryan variety,

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Speaker 1: or it's going to beat it, have it be another amnesty. Snowballs.

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Speaker 1: This is what happens. This is what this is what

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Speaker 1: we're facing. So I hope, I hope that Trump has

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Speaker 1: some grand plan in mind here. I hope that he's

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Speaker 1: many steps ahead and he knows that you cannot trust Democrats,

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Speaker 1: especially on this issue. And then all this happy talk

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Speaker 1: from Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer's going to be exposed

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Speaker 1: for nonsense in the future. But I have my concerns.

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Speaker 1: I have my concerns. Eight four or four buck buck

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Speaker 1: Sexton back with you here in the Freedom Hut team.

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Speaker 1: We have some lines. Let's take him Jared in Florida

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Speaker 1: on w J b Hey, Jared, Hey, Bob, Hey, what's

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Speaker 1: going on? Yeah? Well, one of the things I was

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Speaker 1: kind of wanting to pick your brain about was all

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Speaker 1: of these major issues that Trump ran on just the

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Speaker 1: name of you, the healthcare, immigration, uh, and the Wall.

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Speaker 1: And I was wondering, you know, would he do something

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Speaker 1: draftic in in the State of the Union or on

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Speaker 1: another platform where he had a large audience, uh, where

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Speaker 1: he basically called on Americans or his his base that

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Speaker 1: voted for him to to vote these Republicans out that

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Speaker 1: I mean, and I'm talking about the Mitch McConnell's and

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Speaker 1: the Paul Ryan's in the House and the Senate. I mean,

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Speaker 1: guys that have been there for a while. Because from

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Speaker 1: where we're sitting, uh, in in small town America, these

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Speaker 1: guys are just as much to blame for obstructing his

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Speaker 1: agenda as the Democrats because they've had the House, the

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Speaker 1: Senate and now the presidency and nothing has happened, and

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Speaker 1: and things like healthcare frankly are killing families like mine,

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Speaker 1: you know. But yeah, well, I think that if the

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Speaker 1: president um had refused to sign some interest some legislation

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Speaker 1: that had hit his desk, you know, then then it

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Speaker 1: really would be without question on on Trump's on Trump's head.

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Speaker 1: Everything has happened so far, but that that has not

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Speaker 1: been the case. I mean, what, well, what is he

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Speaker 1: supposed to do that there is a level of okay,

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Speaker 1: at what point does he have to just find a

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Speaker 1: way to govern with the realities of a fractured Republican party.

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Speaker 1: I mean, as to your question about or you're you're

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Speaker 1: common about the state of the Union, we'll see, man.

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Speaker 1: I think that it's an important rule of thumb that

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Speaker 1: whenever you're listening to somebody who's giving you their sense

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Speaker 1: of it, or whether you're just talking to a friend

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Speaker 1: or just anywhere, anyone who tells you they know what

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Speaker 1: Trump is gonna do next is giving themselves a little

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Speaker 1: too much prognostication ability. I just don't buy it. So

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Speaker 1: I don't know, Jared, he could He's A is obviously

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Speaker 1: very unpredictable, and we'll see. I'm hoping that you have

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Speaker 1: some very sad faces from Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer

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Speaker 1: when all said and done on data and immigration. But

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know. It's gonna be interesting. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I hear you, man, Sheila, thank you for calling in.

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Speaker 1: Uh So, there is all of that we will get into.

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Speaker 1: I've got some some breaking news, a couple of topics

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Speaker 1: I want to hit, and then we've got some guests

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Speaker 1: coming up in the next hour. We'll be joined by

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Speaker 1: Shaun Davis from the Federalist, Elena Plot from WASHINGTONY and

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Speaker 1: with some insider d C stuff, and also someone from

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Speaker 1: Red Alert Politics on the Ben Shapiro speech. It's like

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Speaker 1: they're preparing for some kind of end of Days scenario

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Speaker 1: at Berkeley. They're so freaked out about this. And then

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Speaker 1: third hour, I have a history deep dive coming your

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Speaker 1: way that I think you'll all really enjoy. It's gonna

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Speaker 1: be a change of pace here on the show. But

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Speaker 1: the Siege of Malta is the topic. If you don't

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Speaker 1: know much about it, I think you're going to hear

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Speaker 1: it's pretty awesome. Got some breaking news for you, Buck

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Speaker 1: sex in here. You have a missile unidentified projectile, it's

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Speaker 1: being reported, but a missile according to South Korea UM

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Speaker 1: has been fired by North Korea and it has BBC

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Speaker 1: reporting here gone over Japan. So an other provocation from

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Speaker 1: North Korea, more missile testing, more missile firing, and I'm

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Speaker 1: sure we're gonna have a whole bunch of uh op

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Speaker 1: eds the next couple of days telling us about how

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Speaker 1: if only we have, you know, smarter sanctions, stronger sanctions,

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Speaker 1: more sanctions, more diplomacy, we'll figure this out. I just

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Speaker 1: don't see how any of that's gonna stop North Korea

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Speaker 1: until China is willing to really go to the mat

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Speaker 1: over North Korea. And I don't see that happening anytime soon. Either.

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Speaker 1: North Korea is gonna keep doing more or less what

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Speaker 1: it's doing. I'll give you more of a sense from

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Speaker 1: my perspective of where this is heading, but I don't

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Speaker 1: see it changing anytime soon. I really don't. And I

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Speaker 1: know that people want to believe that there's a clear

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Speaker 1: diplomatic we're not even cleared any diplomatic solution here. I

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Speaker 1: don't see that if North Korea gives up its snows.

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Speaker 1: If North Korea is no longer promising its people, then

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Speaker 1: it will you fi by force the Korean peninsula and

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Speaker 1: bring together the Korean people. Why does the North Korean

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Speaker 1: regime exist? South Korea is much wealthier, much more prosperous.

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Speaker 1: So if it's not a hyper militaristic society that is

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Speaker 1: about racial purity and bringing together all of the Korean

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Speaker 1: people and protecting them from the rest of the world

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Speaker 1: and bring them all under. This is from North Korean propaganda.

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Speaker 1: This is what they believe. But we are told that,

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Speaker 1: you know, if we just hurt their foreign currency reserves

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Speaker 1: en off, or we cut off the oil or something,

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Speaker 1: it's going to solve our problems. I I wish it

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Speaker 1: were true. I just don't see that as likely. And

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Speaker 1: I I don't know where this goes. I once again,

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Speaker 1: it's kind of like when someone tells you they know

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Speaker 1: what Trump's next move is going to be, and I'm like, no,

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Speaker 1: you don't. North Korea people do not know what North

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Speaker 1: Koreas next move is gonna be either. You just don't know.

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Speaker 1: You know, they did invade back in the day South

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Speaker 1: kore despite the fact that it was a US protectorate

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Speaker 1: and close ally, and we had nukes then too. I

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Speaker 1: don't know. I'm not saying it's imminent. I'm just saying

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Speaker 1: North Korea could be very, very unpredictable. We live in

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Speaker 1: this world of international relations that are based on US

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Speaker 1: mirror imaging other leadership structures and deciding that what if

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Speaker 1: we were in their shoes, this is what we would do.

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Speaker 1: That's not that's not how this game is played. That's

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Speaker 1: not how this works. North Korea's leadership, Kim Jong owned,

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Speaker 1: is approaching all of us from a very very different

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Speaker 1: perspective than what you or I or anyone listening to

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Speaker 1: this show would and trying to understand that is an important,

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Speaker 1: in fact, a necessary first step in this whole process

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Speaker 1: of dealing with sealing off, containing, and eventually dismantling the

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Speaker 1: North Korean access of evil terror state, which is what

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Speaker 1: it is. Mark in Mississippi on w b V, Are

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Speaker 1: you doing, sir? Pretty good? Vota Um, I didn't wanna

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Speaker 1: lay I know this is probably gonna irritate a lot

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Speaker 1: of your callers, but I just want to like lay

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Speaker 1: out my opinion. Ah, that was Donald Trump for a

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Speaker 1: nine percent of his life before he ran for president

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Speaker 1: a Democrat? What is his kids retroessterday Democrat? What are

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Speaker 1: they married? In dating Democrat? We had one guy that

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Speaker 1: we could have vote on. I did vote for him,

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Speaker 1: voting form in the primary, and then I've vad I

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Speaker 1: voted in his name in the general election because even

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Speaker 1: though I knew, because I couldn't bring myself to vote

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Speaker 1: for Trump argallicly a guy that would have repealed to

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Speaker 1: replace Obamacare. They would have put same sex marriages back

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Speaker 1: in the state, they would have protected the borders. And

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Speaker 1: isis is America finally ready to admit that they voted

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Speaker 1: for a Democrats instead of take Crews who would have

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Speaker 1: been the best president as Ronald Reagan. I voted for

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Speaker 1: Cruise in the primary. I was openly pushing for Cruise

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Speaker 1: when I was over at at CNN as a as

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Speaker 1: a commentator there. Uh. I don't think that the Trump

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Speaker 1: base is yet going to agree with you. I don't

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Speaker 1: think that that they're there yet. Um. I think that

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Speaker 1: you have to see if the If the wall gets built,

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Speaker 1: then the fact that he made this or took this

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Speaker 1: meeting with Pelosi and Schumer doesn't really matter. If the

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Speaker 1: wall doesn't get built, that that's gonna be I think

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Speaker 1: that's gonna be a problem. And as to whether or

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Speaker 1: not he's a he's a Democrat, I think that. Uh. Look,

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Speaker 1: Trump defies all previously held political conventional wisdom. This is

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Speaker 1: one of the things about him that has been both

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Speaker 1: so interesting and also from a political analyst perspective, so frustrating,

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Speaker 1: is that the old paradigms don't apply. He's not even

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Speaker 1: to call him an independent is isn't even really accurate.

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Speaker 1: He's just Trump. You don't know what's going to happen,

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Speaker 1: and you look at what's happened, you look at what

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Speaker 1: his actions and office have been so far. I know,

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Speaker 1: Neil Gorst's Supreme Court, that's a big one. That's very important.

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Speaker 1: The rollback of the regulatory state. That's been very helpful,

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Speaker 1: the favorable environment created for jobs and economic prosperity because

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Speaker 1: there's less of a sense that the government's trying to

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Speaker 1: uh engage in lots of wealth redistribution and play play

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Speaker 1: robin hood via the via the federal federal tax collection agencies.

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Speaker 1: So those are the good things. The wall DOCA, nothing

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Speaker 1: has happened yet, it's all just a discussion still, So

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Speaker 1: I don't think anyone's gonna say that they believe they

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Speaker 1: voted for a Democrat in terms of Trump's policies yet

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Speaker 1: because he hasn't done anything that a Democrat would do,

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Speaker 1: I should note that on his cave on the uh,

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Speaker 1: he might. I'm not saying he won't. I'm just saying

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Speaker 1: he hasn't yet. The cave on the debt ceiling, you

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Speaker 1: weren't gonna get Republicans united on that either. I mean,

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Speaker 1: they've been playing that game since well before Trump. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna stand tall in the debt ceiling then like whoops, Sorry,

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Speaker 1: that's really scary. We'll get blamed for it. But but

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Speaker 1: I mean, I hear, I hear what you're saying. Mark.

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Speaker 1: I mean, this was all litigated and discussed and all

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Speaker 1: over the course of the primary. In the general, I

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Speaker 1: want to get to explain one more thing to me too.

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Speaker 1: If the Supreme Court past the Obamacare and the same

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Speaker 1: sex marriage, how come they putting up opposed a bill

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Speaker 1: and they can actually try to put Obamacare back in

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Speaker 1: the hands of the state, but we can't do that

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Speaker 1: for same sex marriage. Well, I mean, you have a

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Speaker 1: Supreme Court decision, so that's decisions that wasn't it. I'm sorry,

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Speaker 1: what was I said? Oh, you have oh bergh Fell,

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Speaker 1: which is is sitting precedent from the Supreme Court. And

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Speaker 1: I know people will say, well, that's not the people

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Speaker 1: initially when it came out said it's not legitimate. The

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Speaker 1: government treats it as legitimate, and so you know, we

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Speaker 1: will have to see it. But I don't know, Mark,

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Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know what. I don't know what's

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Speaker 1: going to happen with Trump on this one. I've been

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Speaker 1: expressing my concerns, but I do appreciate you calling in. Um, yeah, man,

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Speaker 1: thank you. Um. I think he since something. He loves

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Speaker 1: my show. I hope that is. Yeah, there we go.

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Speaker 1: Who Yeah, Mark loves the show. Yeah. But I should

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Speaker 1: note that we have a plan that tomorrow I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: take some of your commentary or if you send me

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Speaker 1: a Facebook message, We're going to pick some of them

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Speaker 1: to read on air. So you know, this is a

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00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:08,480
Speaker 1: good time to send me a message if you want to.

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Speaker 1: It's kind of like email, except this is very twenty

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Speaker 1: one century. Oh, I guess Facebook exists. Facebook started when

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Speaker 1: I was in college. People forget this now, and I

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Speaker 1: remember it came out and it was a digital version

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Speaker 1: of what used to be the freshman Facebook, which was

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Speaker 1: used for how do I put this the part of

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Speaker 1: the purposes of social invitations to on campus events. And

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Speaker 1: I I sit in a photo. I looked like a complete,

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Speaker 1: uh a total nerd in my photo. I think I

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Speaker 1: might have even been like my yearbook photo where they

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Speaker 1: made us wear this little fake black tie bib thing

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Speaker 1: that you had to put Oh. Yeah, it was like that.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, why am I doing this? Like why can't

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Speaker 1: I just have a normal photo of me the way

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Speaker 1: I you know, no, no, put on this, put on

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Speaker 1: this bib so you look like you're, you know, a

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Speaker 1: conductor in the orchestra or something. I was like, what,

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Speaker 1: but remember everybody, you get there and they one of

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Speaker 1: the things they give you is this book of all

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Speaker 1: the with photos. It's just photos and names of all

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Speaker 1: the freshmen, and the whole school looks at it and

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Speaker 1: there are a lot of I remember I had friends,

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Speaker 1: young ladies in my class who were receiving invitations to

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Speaker 1: parties from people they had never met before. And then

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Speaker 1: we all quickly figured out, oh, it's based on the Facebook.

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Speaker 1: That was the Facebook before it was online, and then

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Speaker 1: they put it online. And now we've got Mark Zuckerberg,

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Speaker 1: who may run for president and is lecturing all of

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Speaker 1: us on immigration and everything else, when in many ways

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Speaker 1: I think he's just one of the luckiest people in

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Speaker 1: the history of luck, but I die gress. We have

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Speaker 1: our friend Elena Plots joining us shortly here to talk

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Speaker 1: about some inside the belt Way, her sources speaking to

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Speaker 1: her about everything going on with Trump, Schumer, Belosie, Docca,

860
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Speaker 1: all of that. Also little tax talk, tax talk. That'll

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Speaker 1: be fun. And we've got some updates on the ESPN

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Speaker 1: fall out. The UH analysts puned it. Whatever we all

863
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Speaker 1: are there. Who is who tweet at the Trump is

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Speaker 1: a white supremacist? Updates about Ben Shapiro in Berkeley after

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Speaker 1: that and third hour see Jamalta. It's gonna be amazing.

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Speaker 1: I know some of you are like, what, it's a

867
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Speaker 1: radio show, what are you doing, Well, it's a show

868
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Speaker 1: within a show, my friends, history deep dive. You want

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Speaker 1: to hear it. We'll be right back. Welcome back to

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Speaker 1: the Freedom Hot Team. A lot happening in the world

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Speaker 1: of politics today, as we have been discussing, and now

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Speaker 1: we have somebody to give us a bit of an

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Speaker 1: insider view of what's going on within the confines of

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Speaker 1: the Beltway, which is really a fancy description of what

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Speaker 1: is a pretty brutal highway when it comes to traffic.

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Speaker 1: Uh as as I'm sure she knows. Elena plot is

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Speaker 1: with us now, staff writer for the Washingtonian dot com

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Speaker 1: and a Yale I might add, Elena, great to have you,

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Speaker 1: great to see or talk to you Buck talking seeing

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Speaker 1: all those things with Bucker great. Um before I move

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Speaker 1: on to Atlanta. Two things that the matter in the

882
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Speaker 1: new cycle? Do you think that you're Almama honor? I

883
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Speaker 1: like to give Yale a hard time because at Amir's

884
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Speaker 1: we had to change our mascot because he was a

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Speaker 1: British colonial lord who gave smallpox blankets to the Native Americans.

886
00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:14,000
Speaker 1: So now I think it's like a mastodon. I think

887
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Speaker 1: it's like a like or a wooly mammit or something.

888
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Speaker 1: It's a large, a large elephant, elephant like animal. Um.

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Speaker 1: Yale is named for a lie who Yale, who was

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Speaker 1: a slave trader. You think they're going to abandon the

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Speaker 1: name ever, because I know they've started to make some

892
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Speaker 1: noises about changing the names of different residential colleges. So

893
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Speaker 1: it's not just making noises. I mean they've already done

894
00:48:32,560 --> 00:48:35,160
Speaker 1: that with one college in particular, chlist In College. It's

895
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Speaker 1: now Hopper College, I believe. And you know, it's funny

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Speaker 1: you bring this up because just with a you know,

897
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Speaker 1: a fellow alumnus yesterday, we were saying, this time last year,

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Speaker 1: we would have never thought that, you know, the namesake

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Speaker 1: of Yale change. But at this point, I think there's

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Speaker 1: no way to sit infinitively either way. What will happen?

901
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Speaker 1: And you know, make of that what you will. But

902
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Speaker 1: even as an alumnus, I can't give you a straight

903
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Speaker 1: answer for what will or won't happen there. I just

904
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Speaker 1: think it's a testimate to the kind of outrage culture

905
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Speaker 1: we find ourselves. And I just like, I just like

906
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Speaker 1: to give Yale he's a hard time. And also Harvard

907
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Speaker 1: hiring Chelsea Manning, which I should note Mike Morrell former

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Speaker 1: c I a um, I forget senior. I don't know

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Speaker 1: if he was actually director, I forget I had left,

910
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Speaker 1: but he resigned. So you know Yale, I mean not Yale,

911
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Speaker 1: sorry Harvard getting the rough stuff there. But enough of

912
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Speaker 1: all that, let's talk about DOCA here. Um, what are

913
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Speaker 1: you hearing from your people about the reaction to Trump

914
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Speaker 1: coming out via Twitter and the White House and everything's saying, yeah, doca,

915
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Speaker 1: we're gonna do that, but but no wall right now.

916
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Speaker 1: So my um my sources on Capitol Hill, who are

917
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Speaker 1: very senior Republican sources in the House, um, you know,

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Speaker 1: they don't scoffed at me. After Speaker Ryan and his

919
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Speaker 1: press briefing to said these were just discussions, They were

920
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Speaker 1: not negotiations. No deal was finalized at the wall will

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Speaker 1: continue as planned. My sources all said to me, you know,

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Speaker 1: l O L that. You know, Paul Ryan thinks that

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Speaker 1: is in fact the case. What what people, what what

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Speaker 1: insiders on Capitol Hill right now are realizing is that

925
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Speaker 1: Trump seems to have caught onto the fact that when

926
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Speaker 1: he makes deal quote his new friends Chuck and Nancy,

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Speaker 1: he gets a much better response the Twitter verse of

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Speaker 1: the world from the aestelic corridor. And you know, keep

929
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Speaker 1: in mind, bag, these were the influences that he landbasted

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Speaker 1: all throughout the campaign trail, and that sort of, you know,

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Speaker 1: helps him win um by such a high margin in sixteen.

932
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Speaker 1: But at this point sort of realized and you know,

933
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Speaker 1: when you're obsessed with the media. You want more favorable coverage.

934
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Speaker 1: Making deals with Chuck and Nancy might be the way

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Speaker 1: to do it. And I think Republicans are sort of

936
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Speaker 1: cowering under that understanding right now that you know he's

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Speaker 1: going to get much more favorite courage. If he says

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Speaker 1: I don't you know, I don't want to deal with

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Speaker 1: Mitchell Lena, I mean, I gotta, I gotta ask you.

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Speaker 1: It sounds to me like you're telling me that Trump

941
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Speaker 1: is doing this at some level out of ego and

942
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Speaker 1: not because he's playing four D chess. That's that's what

943
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Speaker 1: it sounds like. No, it sounds like you don't buy

944
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Speaker 1: the four D chess explanation. Aside that we're still having

945
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Speaker 1: this conversation is a little bit sad to me. I mean,

946
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Speaker 1: one of my white health sources, do you know, bless

947
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Speaker 1: his heart, it's still pretty optimistic that, you know, everything

948
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Speaker 1: might to be fine. Trump really, as a conservative, says

949
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Speaker 1: to me, you know, I don't I don't quite know

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Speaker 1: what's happening right now. But he always has a long game.

951
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Speaker 1: He always knows where this is going to end up,

952
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Speaker 1: So which my response is, I I don't see at

953
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Speaker 1: what point you know, backtracking on your central core campaign

954
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Speaker 1: promise that you know brought you so much goodwill, is

955
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Speaker 1: going to be good for anyone? Or what possible long

956
00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:34,239
Speaker 1: game could kind of come out of that. You know.

957
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Speaker 1: I used to have some people in the White House

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Speaker 1: that would even call in and enjoy and join me

959
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Speaker 1: on the show to tell me what the official White

960
00:51:39,880 --> 00:51:42,560
Speaker 1: House world is. But they have all departed. So I

961
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Speaker 1: have to ask you if you could tell me, obviously

962
00:51:44,440 --> 00:51:46,840
Speaker 1: without getting into your sources, but just from what you're told,

963
00:51:47,200 --> 00:51:51,560
Speaker 1: what what they're telling you, what is the most pro

964
00:51:52,040 --> 00:51:56,279
Speaker 1: what is the most favorable explanation of what's happened here

965
00:51:56,320 --> 00:52:00,359
Speaker 1: from inside the Trump camp, from inside the Trump camp.

966
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Speaker 1: And this is based on conversations I had yesterday and today.

967
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Speaker 1: Is that, well, this is what happens when Republicans don't

968
00:52:07,600 --> 00:52:11,600
Speaker 1: unite to support say healthcare um health care appeal. This

969
00:52:11,719 --> 00:52:15,919
Speaker 1: is um what Trump has to do. He's pushed unilaterally

970
00:52:15,920 --> 00:52:19,000
Speaker 1: into the arms of Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi. So

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Speaker 1: that's kind of what they're saying. It's Republican fault in

972
00:52:21,360 --> 00:52:23,799
Speaker 1: the first place that he's in this position, that these

973
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Speaker 1: are the concessions he has to make, and I think

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Speaker 1: that's what you're going to see the Sean Hannity's and

975
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Speaker 1: you know, even Laura Ingram, Okay, we we love, we

976
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Speaker 1: love Sean and Laura here, we love Sean and Laura.

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Speaker 1: But this is this is a lady is entitled to

978
00:52:36,719 --> 00:52:40,399
Speaker 1: her opinion about these things. But Lena, do you think

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Speaker 1: that are they saying that there will be Are are

980
00:52:43,600 --> 00:52:45,520
Speaker 1: they saying that there will be a wall in the future? Though?

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's what I really, you know, because I

982
00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:51,840
Speaker 1: think that the most um, the best scenario for the

983
00:52:51,840 --> 00:52:55,439
Speaker 1: base is not that Trump bailed on them. The best

984
00:52:55,440 --> 00:52:58,640
Speaker 1: scenario is that it's just a matter of time before

985
00:52:58,760 --> 00:53:02,839
Speaker 1: he essentially, uh does a you know, does a one

986
00:53:02,840 --> 00:53:05,600
Speaker 1: eighty on Pelosi and Schumer and gives them the hard

987
00:53:05,680 --> 00:53:08,359
Speaker 1: the hard rough time, right is that? And and gets

988
00:53:08,360 --> 00:53:11,040
Speaker 1: a wall built somehow? Is that being talked about or

989
00:53:11,120 --> 00:53:13,200
Speaker 1: is it really? No? No, Republicans of Congress just stink.

990
00:53:13,239 --> 00:53:16,239
Speaker 1: So here we are. No. I mean, I guess a

991
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Speaker 1: little bit of both the former and the ladder. I

992
00:53:18,360 --> 00:53:22,400
Speaker 1: think you're going to have White House sources forever for

993
00:53:22,520 --> 00:53:25,719
Speaker 1: how well, how long Trump last in office, for however long,

994
00:53:25,760 --> 00:53:28,560
Speaker 1: It's always going to be said nothing is off the table.

995
00:53:28,600 --> 00:53:31,920
Speaker 1: We are obviously working towards our core campaign promises, but

996
00:53:32,040 --> 00:53:34,680
Speaker 1: you can say that indefinitely. I mean, you know, I

997
00:53:34,880 --> 00:53:38,360
Speaker 1: I'm old enough to remember pledge to repeal Obamacare on

998
00:53:38,480 --> 00:53:41,399
Speaker 1: day one and here we are. Um, so I think

999
00:53:41,440 --> 00:53:43,560
Speaker 1: I think there's always going to be that spin that,

1000
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Speaker 1: you know, because of Republicans, we can't do this right now,

1001
00:53:46,480 --> 00:53:49,160
Speaker 1: but you know, less you're worried, I will continue working

1002
00:53:49,200 --> 00:53:53,280
Speaker 1: for you, my base, and we will make this happen somehow. Alright,

1003
00:53:53,320 --> 00:53:56,239
Speaker 1: just tell me about tax reform. I don't know what

1004
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Speaker 1: else to say other than okay, tax reformer by the

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Speaker 1: WA's e Lena Plot, who is a staff writer at

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Speaker 1: Washington dot Com. She is a a well belt Way Bennetts.

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Speaker 1: I guess are actually those are the consultants right to

1008
00:54:07,160 --> 00:54:08,759
Speaker 1: take all the money from inside of DC. But I

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Speaker 1: don't know. She's a baroness of the Beltway. And we

1010
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Speaker 1: gotta come up with a cool title for you, something

1011
00:54:13,280 --> 00:54:15,479
Speaker 1: for radio purposes. But she knows a lot of stuff,

1012
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Speaker 1: and she knows the folks tax are formally and what's

1013
00:54:17,640 --> 00:54:21,200
Speaker 1: going on. Yeah, I am but a humble journalist. Um, okay,

1014
00:54:21,239 --> 00:54:23,520
Speaker 1: so tax reform what I want to first point to

1015
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Speaker 1: is that I know you, you know you last when

1016
00:54:25,480 --> 00:54:27,160
Speaker 1: you brought this up, But this is I think the

1017
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Speaker 1: problem that Republicans on the Hill are having right now.

1018
00:54:30,200 --> 00:54:33,239
Speaker 1: Tax reform is something that conservative and even you know,

1019
00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:36,719
Speaker 1: establishment Republicans have been pushing for the longest time. The

1020
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Speaker 1: problems to tax reform, though, it's that it doesn't engender,

1021
00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:43,200
Speaker 1: say the visceral response that DOCTA does. You know, when

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Speaker 1: you put doctor to any kind of poetically illiterate person,

1023
00:54:46,840 --> 00:54:48,880
Speaker 1: they'll say, oh my goodness, save the children. You know,

1024
00:54:49,000 --> 00:54:51,959
Speaker 1: how dare you try to negotiate on this in any

1025
00:54:51,960 --> 00:54:55,200
Speaker 1: way like it just needs to be set perform. It's

1026
00:54:55,239 --> 00:54:59,000
Speaker 1: so much more esoteric and compelated that even if Trump

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Speaker 1: gets a tax that is perfect for his base, I

1028
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Speaker 1: doubt you're going to see sort of visual response wrapping

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Speaker 1: up the troops that he would for an issue like

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Speaker 1: the wall to actual formers mostly for the donor class,

1031
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Speaker 1: not as much for the base. I think that's the

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Speaker 1: way it plays up why, which is why Speaker Paul

1033
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Speaker 1: Ryan is so dead set on making this happen, and

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Speaker 1: so as Mitchell Rich McConnell, and so is Treasury Secretary

1035
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Speaker 1: Street Monution again put the merits of the plan aside. Um.

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Speaker 1: This is not something I think that will be good

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Speaker 1: for Trump's popularity either way. Another thing, just you know,

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Speaker 1: practically speaking, they say they're unveiling a plan September twenty five. Um.

1039
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Speaker 1: If you will recall a few months ago that you know,

1040
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Speaker 1: the first goal post was that we would have this

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Speaker 1: done signed into law by July. Then it was August,

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Speaker 1: and then then you should said absolutely, we will have

1043
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Speaker 1: this done by September. Now it's just we're going to

1044
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Speaker 1: have makers on September twenty and at that point there's

1045
00:55:54,160 --> 00:55:57,319
Speaker 1: so few weeks until sumhere when they adjourn for like

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Speaker 1: seven more years or you know whatever lawmakers do every

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Speaker 1: five days that there is I I you know, I'll

1048
00:56:03,320 --> 00:56:06,400
Speaker 1: say it here as a reporter. I do not believe

1049
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Speaker 1: tax reform will get done by the end of seventeen

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Speaker 1: and even is going to be a heavy left Oh

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Speaker 1: my gosh. Okay, alright, Elena Plot everybody staff right for

1052
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Speaker 1: the Washingtony and check out her latest. I know she's

1053
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Speaker 1: she's a ray of sunshine. Folks watching Tony and dot com. Elena,

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Speaker 1: Great to have you come back soon. All right, thank you, team.

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Speaker 1: We are going to run into a break here. I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna be talking about the Ben Shapiro speech at Berkeley

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Speaker 1: and also some fallout from the ESPN stuff coming up.

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Speaker 1: Stay with me, all right, Welcome back everybody. If you

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Speaker 1: want some Haymakers of truth, I've got a special surprise

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00:56:39,880 --> 00:56:43,120
Speaker 1: in store for you. Here are buddy Sean Davis, who

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00:56:43,239 --> 00:56:46,040
Speaker 1: is ready to give some roundhouse kicks to the face

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Speaker 1: of the STATUSS. He is the co founder of the Federalists,

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00:56:49,440 --> 00:56:51,439
Speaker 1: and I promise you I did not clear those weird

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00:56:51,520 --> 00:56:54,440
Speaker 1: martial analogies before with him. But he's a good sports

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Speaker 1: so let me get away with it. Shawn David's great

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Speaker 1: to have you, sir, great to be here. Thank you

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Speaker 1: for having me. Jamal Hill has apologized for the ESPN

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Speaker 1: twe I want your I want the Shawn Davis. What's

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00:57:04,640 --> 00:57:08,239
Speaker 1: going on with all this ESPN white supremacy claims all

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00:57:08,280 --> 00:57:12,440
Speaker 1: that stuff? I just want the Shawn Davis version. So uh,

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Speaker 1: I am amused and fascinated to no end by what's happening.

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Speaker 1: So what happened is Jamal Hill, who runs a UM

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Speaker 1: what appears to be a local access public access TV

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00:57:23,880 --> 00:57:27,040
Speaker 1: channel version of Sports Center in the evenings went on

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00:57:27,080 --> 00:57:29,680
Speaker 1: Twitter and said Trump's white supremacist and the only one

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00:57:29,760 --> 00:57:33,560
Speaker 1: because these white white this racism, Matt blah blah blah.

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00:57:33,640 --> 00:57:36,880
Speaker 1: And then people naturally got ticked because it's sports center,

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00:57:36,960 --> 00:57:40,480
Speaker 1: not politics center. Uh. And then ESPN said oh no, no no, yeah,

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Speaker 1: which her actions were inappropriate, and then she I think

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00:57:44,120 --> 00:57:47,000
Speaker 1: it was last night, finally came out, broke her silence,

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00:57:47,720 --> 00:57:50,840
Speaker 1: and everyone's talking about an apology, but that's not really

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00:57:50,880 --> 00:57:54,280
Speaker 1: what she did. She just said that she was sorry

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00:57:54,280 --> 00:57:58,160
Speaker 1: that she made ESPN look bad, which is really the

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00:57:58,160 --> 00:58:00,440
Speaker 1: whole the whole problem here. That's why ESKN mad at

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00:58:00,440 --> 00:58:03,680
Speaker 1: her is that she confirmed publicly a narrative that everyone

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00:58:03,720 --> 00:58:05,680
Speaker 1: had said about him them is that they're run by

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00:58:05,720 --> 00:58:08,120
Speaker 1: a bunch of left wing coops. Uh. And when left

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00:58:08,120 --> 00:58:10,520
Speaker 1: wingers go off the deep end, they're fine, but when

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00:58:10,600 --> 00:58:13,200
Speaker 1: right wing or say something on Facebook, they get fired.

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Speaker 1: Yeah what did Uh? The guy who were uh shilling

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00:58:16,920 --> 00:58:19,160
Speaker 1: right wasn't the idios PN. He got tossed for one tweet.

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00:58:20,640 --> 00:58:22,120
Speaker 1: I'm not even sure what a tweet. I think was

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00:58:22,160 --> 00:58:24,640
Speaker 1: something he said on Facebook about or a meme about

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00:58:24,680 --> 00:58:26,880
Speaker 1: how boys should use the boys bathroom? Oh it was

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00:58:26,880 --> 00:58:28,280
Speaker 1: it was a bad that's you're right, You're right his

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00:58:28,320 --> 00:58:30,920
Speaker 1: Facebook and it was the bathroom stuff. Yeah, yeah, so

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00:58:30,960 --> 00:58:36,520
Speaker 1: that'll get you fired. Um, But apparently going off on

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Speaker 1: the president and saying why people are terrible and Republicans

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00:58:40,000 --> 00:58:42,880
Speaker 1: are racist, that's that's totally Where do you find your

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Speaker 1: balance on this one, Sean? Because I I understand the sentiment.

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Speaker 1: I don't like living in a world where you get

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00:58:48,080 --> 00:58:50,920
Speaker 1: fired for your political opinions, especially if you're not somebody

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00:58:50,960 --> 00:58:53,960
Speaker 1: who's in the political realm, right, I feel like, well, actually, no,

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Speaker 1: across the board, I just don't want people getting fired

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00:58:55,840 --> 00:59:00,280
Speaker 1: for their beliefs. But I also understand that they're gonna

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00:59:00,320 --> 00:59:02,120
Speaker 1: be limitations and that you know, you can, as I

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00:59:02,160 --> 00:59:04,960
Speaker 1: was saying yesterday, you can't say that you think that

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00:59:05,000 --> 00:59:07,800
Speaker 1: the person who owns or runs your company is a buffoon,

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00:59:07,800 --> 00:59:09,480
Speaker 1: and I hope to keep your job because you know

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00:59:09,640 --> 00:59:12,520
Speaker 1: First Amendment it doesn't work that way. So how do

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00:59:12,600 --> 00:59:15,280
Speaker 1: you try to strike a balance here between We all

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00:59:15,280 --> 00:59:17,920
Speaker 1: know there's a huge double standard. So conservatives are going

1113
00:59:17,960 --> 00:59:20,120
Speaker 1: to get fired for this stuff. Does that mean that

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00:59:20,160 --> 00:59:23,440
Speaker 1: we should just establish one standard and that everybody should

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00:59:23,440 --> 00:59:25,880
Speaker 1: be subject to firing or should we say that nobody

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00:59:25,920 --> 00:59:27,400
Speaker 1: should be subject to firing. You know what I mean.

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Speaker 1: I see conservatives on both sides of this. I'm with you.

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Speaker 1: So in an ideal world, people should be able to

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Speaker 1: say whatever they want on their own time, on their

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Speaker 1: own social media channels, over email whatever. Um, that's their right.

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Speaker 1: It's America. When I was a kid, we used to

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00:59:41,720 --> 00:59:43,600
Speaker 1: grow up and when somebody would get baddy, you can

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Speaker 1: stay shut up to the free country. I don't know

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Speaker 1: if kids today say it's a free country anymore. But yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm fine with people saying ridiculous, horribly offensive things and

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Speaker 1: not losing their jobs over it. But at the same time,

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Speaker 1: I also like single standards. I don't like double standards.

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Speaker 1: And what we have in America today is a clear

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Speaker 1: double standard where left wingers can say whatever they want,

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Speaker 1: no matter how ridiculous or absurd or insulting or offensive,

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Speaker 1: and they get constant get out of jail free card.

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Speaker 1: But if a guy who won a World Series and

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Speaker 1: played in one of the most iconic games of the

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Speaker 1: last fifty years, maybe even the last century in baseball,

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Speaker 1: when he gets canned because he says something on Facebook

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01:00:23,800 --> 01:00:27,280
Speaker 1: and in it's because he's conservative. When Sage Field gets

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Speaker 1: disciplined because she's kind of conservative. But Jamal Hill can

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Speaker 1: just go off and be a total nut far on

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01:00:34,240 --> 01:00:37,920
Speaker 1: Twitter and be totally fine. That's ridiculous. Uh. And just

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Speaker 1: to be clear, I don't think Jamal Hill should get

1141
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Speaker 1: fired because of what she tweeted. She should get fired

1142
01:00:42,080 --> 01:00:44,480
Speaker 1: because her show is awful and she's terrible at her job.

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Speaker 1: Speaking to Sean Davis, he's a co founder of the Federalists.

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Speaker 1: Shall We've been talking to this a lot, but I

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01:00:49,320 --> 01:00:53,360
Speaker 1: do want to get your your take of what to

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01:00:53,520 --> 01:00:57,680
Speaker 1: make of the Trump docta situation the last twenty four

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01:00:57,760 --> 01:01:03,080
Speaker 1: hours that it's I kind of have two running thoughts. Um,

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01:01:03,320 --> 01:01:05,920
Speaker 1: I'll say three. I'm not at all surprised by it.

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01:01:06,120 --> 01:01:10,600
Speaker 1: He had telegraphed this for quite a while. Um, I am.

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Speaker 1: I was kind of shocked by the just the social

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01:01:14,440 --> 01:01:20,720
Speaker 1: media frenzy last night. Everyone chess something. Uh, this this

1152
01:01:21,000 --> 01:01:23,600
Speaker 1: is exactly what we said would happen. And Trump's a

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01:01:23,680 --> 01:01:26,960
Speaker 1: hypocrite and how dare he? And I was right and

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01:01:27,000 --> 01:01:29,920
Speaker 1: I'm indicated. But the thing that I'm most intrigued by

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01:01:30,880 --> 01:01:33,600
Speaker 1: is it after Charlotte'sville, we were told by so many

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Speaker 1: people in the left wing it's not enough just to

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01:01:37,360 --> 01:01:40,680
Speaker 1: condemn Trump. In order to be pure and not have

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Speaker 1: us call you a racist nazi white supremacists, you have

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Speaker 1: to also oppose everything Trump does. So I guess my

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Speaker 1: question for Democrats is, how did you go from if

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Speaker 1: you work with Trump, you're a white supremacist too, boy,

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Speaker 1: Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer sure did a great job

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Speaker 1: working with Trump on this deal, aren't they Aren't they

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Speaker 1: required morally to oppose everything he does? Yeah, it's a

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01:02:05,760 --> 01:02:09,880
Speaker 1: very astute point, Sean. If if he's to beyond the pill,

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Speaker 1: if he's too much of a of a disgrace to

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Speaker 1: the office to give even a modicum of respect to

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Speaker 1: which I think most of the media and much of

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Speaker 1: the Democratic Party subscribes to that theory, well that has

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Speaker 1: to be. There has to be a principle at work there. Right.

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Speaker 1: It can't just be until he gives us nice stuff,

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Speaker 1: then we'll do whatever. That can't be the way it goes, right,

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Speaker 1: And but as far as the deal goes, I don't

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Speaker 1: get it. I don't understand what the calculus was here.

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Speaker 1: It seems to me to be a terrible deal all

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Speaker 1: around the way it's been reported. With that said, um,

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Speaker 1: it doesn't appear to be done yet. There were lots

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Speaker 1: of ways out. For example, I think Schumer said they

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Speaker 1: had agreed in principle, but they still needed to work

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Speaker 1: out the mechanics on order security. I could probably drive

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01:02:54,640 --> 01:02:58,680
Speaker 1: a truck through uh loopholes in agreement that require you

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01:02:58,720 --> 01:03:00,920
Speaker 1: could probably drive a truck through order security. But that's

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01:03:00,920 --> 01:03:06,000
Speaker 1: another discussion. Yeah. So, But but overall, the deal strikes

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01:03:06,080 --> 01:03:07,680
Speaker 1: me as a terrible thing. And one thing I have

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01:03:07,800 --> 01:03:10,560
Speaker 1: said all along is that I don't care so much

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Speaker 1: what Trump says, because Trump says everything about everything. I care.

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Speaker 1: What Trump does, and what he's doing on here makes

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01:03:17,560 --> 01:03:20,840
Speaker 1: little sense to me and doesn't seem to be in

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Speaker 1: line with what he promised when he ran for breast.

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Speaker 1: All right, Sean Davis, everybody, the Federalists. I've told you

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Speaker 1: one of my favorite sites. We had Ben Dominic, the

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Speaker 1: other co founder of the Federalists on earlier in the week.

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Speaker 1: We got Sean Davison. Now go to the Federalist dot com.

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Speaker 1: It's one of my browser tabs. Great so I really

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Speaker 1: like the work they do there, including Shawn's pieces. Shawn,

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Speaker 1: thank you so much for joining us, my friend. Always

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Speaker 1: good to have you have a great day, you too, so, team,

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Speaker 1: I have some updates on the Berkeley Ben Shapiro speech

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Speaker 1: coming up here. I mean they are it's like they're

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Speaker 1: bracet for World War three over there. I love the

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Speaker 1: way that they report it though. It's you know, riots

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Speaker 1: expected at conservative speech. Is somebody behind those riots? And

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01:03:59,320 --> 01:04:01,440
Speaker 1: do they have a political affiliation or it's just just

1204
01:04:01,560 --> 01:04:04,200
Speaker 1: a conservative speaks and riots happened because you know, it's

1205
01:04:04,240 --> 01:04:08,280
Speaker 1: like spontaneous combustion of riots. So yeah, that's something that's happening.

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Speaker 1: And coming up in the third hour, I'm gonna talk

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Speaker 1: to you about We're gonna do a history deep dive,

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01:04:12,960 --> 01:04:14,320
Speaker 1: which I haven't done a while in the show. This

1209
01:04:14,400 --> 01:04:16,840
Speaker 1: one's gonna actually be a bit more in depth. It

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01:04:16,840 --> 01:04:19,360
Speaker 1: will be a deeper deep dive than some of the

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Speaker 1: recent ones, uh, and I really hope you enjoyed. It

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Speaker 1: will be one of the most incredible battles in all history. Uh,

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Speaker 1: certainly one of the most incredible battles of the Mediterranean

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Speaker 1: fight between the forces of the Islamic conquest and the

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Speaker 1: Christian forces of Europe. So we'll get to that in

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Speaker 1: our three Stay with me until then. Then. You might

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01:04:39,800 --> 01:04:41,400
Speaker 1: also think in your class. Hold on, so does that

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Speaker 1: double standard apply to apply to other stuff? Does that

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Speaker 1: double standard mean that maybe my college professors are not

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01:04:47,440 --> 01:04:50,720
Speaker 1: giving me the full story? You know? Does that mean

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Speaker 1: that when I'm studying Middy's history and they're talking about

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Speaker 1: how gentle kind, multicultural and wonderful the Ottoman Empire was,

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Speaker 1: that maybe they're not give in me the full scoop.

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Speaker 1: The answer to that, by the way, is yes. And

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Speaker 1: I'm on a one man mission to try to change

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Speaker 1: the preposterous histories on college campuses about the Caliphate and

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Speaker 1: the various iterations of the Caliphate with the height of it,

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Speaker 1: reaching the height of it with the Ottoman Empire. And

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Speaker 1: to that end, my friends, in the next hour, I

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Speaker 1: want to talk to you about one of the most

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01:05:21,280 --> 01:05:24,919
Speaker 1: important battles in the history of the Mediterranean. You can argue,

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Speaker 1: one of the most important battles in the history of

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Speaker 1: Western civilization and certainly Christendom, the Siege of Malta. Coming

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Speaker 1: up next, Stay with me, The Siege of Malta Part one.

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Speaker 1: This week is the anniversary of one of the most

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Speaker 1: important battles in the history of the Mediterranean, of Europe,

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Speaker 1: of Christendom and with it the Western world. It was

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Speaker 1: on this week in September of fifteen sixty that the

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Speaker 1: forces of one of the Holy Orders, a relic of

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Speaker 1: the Crusades in the Near East, the Knights of Saint John,

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Speaker 1: the Knights hospitall Or, They were able to repel a

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Speaker 1: massive invasion force by the Sultan Suleiman the Magnificent on

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Speaker 1: the island of Malta, after a protracted, vicious, bloody, no

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Speaker 1: quarter siege that took the entirety of the summer, and finally,

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Speaker 1: after weeks of near starvation, complete deprivation, and hopelessness, were

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Speaker 1: it not for the sense of religious purpose in their cause,

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01:06:38,000 --> 01:06:42,520
Speaker 1: the Knights of Saint John and their Maltese hosts and

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Speaker 1: soldiers were able to defeat this incredible concentration of sixteenth

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Speaker 1: century military power. Nothing is better known than the Siege

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Speaker 1: of Malta. Voltaire famously wrote, if only that were true,

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Speaker 1: I can shure you that in schools and classrooms across

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Speaker 1: the country this week you will not be hearing teachers

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Speaker 1: give lectures on how had a few things gone differently,

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01:07:10,560 --> 01:07:15,439
Speaker 1: had a few battles during key moments gone the other way?

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Speaker 1: The Ottomans, the Islamic conquest would have taken Malta and

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Speaker 1: with it an absolutely essential beachhead for the staging of

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Speaker 1: an invasion into Sicily and then Italy, and with it

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Speaker 1: the heart of Europe itself. Had the Ottomans been able

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Speaker 1: to take the island of Malta in fifteen sixty five,

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Speaker 1: it is very likely that the entirety of the European

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Speaker 1: Christian kingdoms would have been under immediate threat, and the

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Speaker 1: entire course of the world as we know of the

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Speaker 1: Western world would have been I want to tell you

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Speaker 1: about this battle that is a reminder of both the

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Speaker 1: bravery and ferocity that went on for centuries in the

1266
01:08:04,280 --> 01:08:10,160
Speaker 1: fights between Islamic forces and Christian forces. In the high

1267
01:08:10,240 --> 01:08:14,520
Speaker 1: period of the Ottoman Empire, which was also the Caliphate,

1268
01:08:14,720 --> 01:08:19,519
Speaker 1: it was the de facto religious leader of the Muslim world,

1269
01:08:19,960 --> 01:08:23,240
Speaker 1: and it sought complete domination of Europe and with it,

1270
01:08:23,680 --> 01:08:27,080
Speaker 1: the rest of the world. This was at the time

1271
01:08:27,240 --> 01:08:31,520
Speaker 1: of the Great Global Exploration. In fact, there were already

1272
01:08:32,080 --> 01:08:37,439
Speaker 1: Islamic emissaries making their way as far from Europe and

1273
01:08:37,880 --> 01:08:42,000
Speaker 1: what is modern day Turkey as Southeast Asia. Had the

1274
01:08:42,040 --> 01:08:46,840
Speaker 1: Ottomans been able to threaten, choke off and eventually overtake

1275
01:08:47,000 --> 01:08:50,679
Speaker 1: European forces, we would be living in a very different world.

1276
01:08:50,920 --> 01:08:54,080
Speaker 1: And the reason I want to tell you about this siege,

1277
01:08:54,120 --> 01:08:58,200
Speaker 1: often called the Great Siege of Malta, is because we

1278
01:08:58,320 --> 01:09:01,840
Speaker 1: should all know just how loas it came. We should

1279
01:09:01,880 --> 01:09:05,840
Speaker 1: also know that while our children, and while many of

1280
01:09:06,000 --> 01:09:08,840
Speaker 1: us were taught in school that the Ottomans were a

1281
01:09:09,320 --> 01:09:15,040
Speaker 1: tolerant and multicultural and pluralistic people, the Ottoman Empire was

1282
01:09:15,120 --> 01:09:20,600
Speaker 1: built on conquest and slavery and absolute brutality and a

1283
01:09:21,120 --> 01:09:25,880
Speaker 1: ferocity of Islamic conquest that has been whitewashed from the

1284
01:09:26,000 --> 01:09:29,120
Speaker 1: history books. I want to tell you about what happened

1285
01:09:29,160 --> 01:09:33,400
Speaker 1: in Malta because to understand what the mentality was of

1286
01:09:33,920 --> 01:09:38,000
Speaker 1: the holy warriors of the Ottoman Empire in the sixteenth century.

1287
01:09:38,280 --> 01:09:42,600
Speaker 1: To know what the janissaries were, what they believed, and

1288
01:09:42,680 --> 01:09:45,760
Speaker 1: where they came from the elite shock troops of the

1289
01:09:45,760 --> 01:09:48,760
Speaker 1: Ottoman Empire is to have a window into a mentality

1290
01:09:48,840 --> 01:09:53,280
Speaker 1: that we face to this day when staring across the

1291
01:09:53,320 --> 01:09:58,839
Speaker 1: battlefield at the soldiers of the Caliphate, whether in Syria,

1292
01:09:58,960 --> 01:10:03,320
Speaker 1: Iraq or anywhere else. And it was only because of

1293
01:10:03,479 --> 01:10:09,680
Speaker 1: the incredible leadership and indefatigable courage of Christian Nights on

1294
01:10:09,840 --> 01:10:14,080
Speaker 1: this tiny and otherwise insignificant island in the middle of

1295
01:10:14,160 --> 01:10:20,240
Speaker 1: the Mediterranean, that we were able two defeat the expansion,

1296
01:10:20,320 --> 01:10:23,400
Speaker 1: to able to defeat the jihad that was being waged

1297
01:10:23,720 --> 01:10:27,840
Speaker 1: at that time, and that went on for centuries. So first,

1298
01:10:27,920 --> 01:10:30,760
Speaker 1: let's talk about what happened that led up to this.

1299
01:10:31,400 --> 01:10:34,360
Speaker 1: The Knights of Saint John, or the Knights hospital Or

1300
01:10:34,960 --> 01:10:38,760
Speaker 1: were a holy order of religious order, initially formed in

1301
01:10:39,400 --> 01:10:42,880
Speaker 1: the Holy Land in what is now Israel and the

1302
01:10:42,960 --> 01:10:48,600
Speaker 1: surrounding territories in order to provide care for sick pilgrims.

1303
01:10:49,280 --> 01:10:51,800
Speaker 1: Christians at this time would make pilgrimages to the Holy

1304
01:10:51,840 --> 01:10:55,120
Speaker 1: Land to Jerusalem, and they would often become sick on

1305
01:10:55,479 --> 01:10:59,240
Speaker 1: the way or sick while visiting, and the Knights hospital

1306
01:10:59,360 --> 01:11:03,240
Speaker 1: Or were providing care to them. But over time, because

1307
01:11:03,520 --> 01:11:06,479
Speaker 1: of the Crusades, and because of the fighting back and

1308
01:11:06,600 --> 01:11:10,680
Speaker 1: forth between Christians and Muslims and the attacks on the

1309
01:11:11,520 --> 01:11:16,679
Speaker 1: caravans of pilgrims, the Nights became a fighting order similar

1310
01:11:16,760 --> 01:11:21,040
Speaker 1: in that regard to the Knights Templar and the Teutonic Knights,

1311
01:11:21,400 --> 01:11:24,000
Speaker 1: but it was the Knights of St. John who, after

1312
01:11:24,080 --> 01:11:28,760
Speaker 1: the fall of Jerusalem went through a series of exile

1313
01:11:29,040 --> 01:11:34,360
Speaker 1: and retrenchment. Uh they set up shop first in Cyprus

1314
01:11:34,520 --> 01:11:38,560
Speaker 1: and later in Roads. And it was in fact the

1315
01:11:38,680 --> 01:11:42,519
Speaker 1: conflict in Roads that leads directly to what happens here

1316
01:11:42,600 --> 01:11:47,960
Speaker 1: that we will talk about in Malta fifty ending on

1317
01:11:48,160 --> 01:11:53,679
Speaker 1: September the eleven. Depends on when you want to declare

1318
01:11:53,720 --> 01:11:58,320
Speaker 1: the formal end of the siege. But at Rhods, the

1319
01:11:58,400 --> 01:12:01,080
Speaker 1: Knights of St. John had a stab pablished a fortress

1320
01:12:01,320 --> 01:12:06,000
Speaker 1: from which they were engaged in piracy against the Ottomans,

1321
01:12:06,320 --> 01:12:10,720
Speaker 1: and this was all about dominance in the Mediterranean. Mediterranean

1322
01:12:10,840 --> 01:12:15,880
Speaker 1: trade was essential to the world of the fifteenth sixteenth

1323
01:12:15,920 --> 01:12:20,160
Speaker 1: seventeenth century, and the Ottomans were in a struggle against

1324
01:12:20,240 --> 01:12:24,080
Speaker 1: the Christian states for supremacy there. The Knights of Saint

1325
01:12:24,160 --> 01:12:28,160
Speaker 1: John were useful to the Christian monarchs of Europe because

1326
01:12:28,240 --> 01:12:33,920
Speaker 1: they were constantly harassing, attacking, pillaging, and plundering the Sultan's

1327
01:12:34,360 --> 01:12:39,360
Speaker 1: incredibly wealthy merchant trade and also attacking his fleet his

1328
01:12:39,479 --> 01:12:43,719
Speaker 1: ships whatever they could. Now Rhodes had been a base

1329
01:12:43,920 --> 01:12:48,519
Speaker 1: for that piracy against the Ottoman Empire, against Muslim shipping,

1330
01:12:49,200 --> 01:12:53,320
Speaker 1: and eventually Suleiman also known as Suleiman the magnificent, who

1331
01:12:53,720 --> 01:12:56,920
Speaker 1: was the single sultan, the single leader of the Ottomans,

1332
01:12:57,560 --> 01:13:00,840
Speaker 1: who was most successful in expanding the means of the

1333
01:13:00,960 --> 01:13:05,560
Speaker 1: caliphate by force, He decided that it was time to

1334
01:13:05,680 --> 01:13:08,439
Speaker 1: take Roads. And Roads, which is an island that is

1335
01:13:08,479 --> 01:13:13,240
Speaker 1: off current day Turkey, was close enough to reinforcements and

1336
01:13:13,320 --> 01:13:16,040
Speaker 1: close enough to all of the Ottoman power that could

1337
01:13:16,080 --> 01:13:20,479
Speaker 1: be brought to bear that despite the incredible fortifications, and

1338
01:13:20,560 --> 01:13:22,760
Speaker 1: this is in an era when yes there was gunpowder,

1339
01:13:23,040 --> 01:13:28,720
Speaker 1: but thick enough walls and well well designed and defended

1340
01:13:29,160 --> 01:13:34,800
Speaker 1: bastions and ramparts and other aspects of siege warfare could

1341
01:13:34,880 --> 01:13:39,240
Speaker 1: withstand even a determined assault. With cannon and mortar and

1342
01:13:39,680 --> 01:13:45,000
Speaker 1: basilisk which is named for a dragon and it's essentially

1343
01:13:45,080 --> 01:13:47,640
Speaker 1: a very large artillery piece that often fired just a

1344
01:13:47,760 --> 01:13:54,080
Speaker 1: giant heavy stone, these fortifications could usually withstand a siege

1345
01:13:54,200 --> 01:13:56,320
Speaker 1: for at least a period of time that would allow

1346
01:13:56,400 --> 01:13:59,519
Speaker 1: for reinforcements to come. But Rhodes was simply too close

1347
01:13:59,640 --> 01:14:05,520
Speaker 1: to the seat of power itself in Istanbul. Roads eventually capitulated,

1348
01:14:05,960 --> 01:14:11,400
Speaker 1: and Suleiman gave the ultimatum to the Knights of Saint John,

1349
01:14:11,439 --> 01:14:14,280
Speaker 1: who had set up their fortress in Roads that if

1350
01:14:14,360 --> 01:14:17,679
Speaker 1: you quit, if you stop fighting, you will be allowed

1351
01:14:18,160 --> 01:14:22,519
Speaker 1: to leave. This was a decision that he would later

1352
01:14:22,640 --> 01:14:27,400
Speaker 1: come to regret and to so in fifteen twenty two, Suleiman,

1353
01:14:27,560 --> 01:14:30,040
Speaker 1: with an army of a hundred thousand, was able to

1354
01:14:30,320 --> 01:14:33,360
Speaker 1: take roads from the Knights of Saint John, but they

1355
01:14:33,400 --> 01:14:41,080
Speaker 1: were allowed to leave intact. They wandered the Knights of

1356
01:14:41,160 --> 01:14:44,720
Speaker 1: Saint John without a fortress, without a home, without a

1357
01:14:44,840 --> 01:14:48,320
Speaker 1: place where they could gather in order to carry out

1358
01:14:48,400 --> 01:14:52,200
Speaker 1: their mandate of defending the faith and taking the fight

1359
01:14:52,400 --> 01:14:59,080
Speaker 1: to their nonbelieving infidel enemies. Then, in fifteen thirty the

1360
01:14:59,200 --> 01:15:03,720
Speaker 1: Emperor Charles the fifth of Spain gave the island of

1361
01:15:03,960 --> 01:15:07,720
Speaker 1: Malta to the Order of Saint John in order for

1362
01:15:07,880 --> 01:15:12,200
Speaker 1: them to regroup and yes to continue their attacks on

1363
01:15:12,320 --> 01:15:17,120
Speaker 1: shipping and piracy against the Ottomans. They're sworn enemies. This

1364
01:15:17,280 --> 01:15:22,879
Speaker 1: would be a fateful decision because Malta is geographically speaking,

1365
01:15:23,479 --> 01:15:29,200
Speaker 1: absolutely priceless territory. It is worth gold to a geopolitical

1366
01:15:29,280 --> 01:15:34,000
Speaker 1: strategist in the Mediterranean, particularly at this time when travel

1367
01:15:34,120 --> 01:15:38,479
Speaker 1: by sea was essential both for the movement of goods

1368
01:15:38,680 --> 01:15:42,639
Speaker 1: and in the Mediterranean basin for the deployment of massive

1369
01:15:42,880 --> 01:15:47,000
Speaker 1: armed forces. So by giving this order the Knights of

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01:15:47,120 --> 01:15:50,439
Speaker 1: Saint john An Island to make their fortress and to

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01:15:51,040 --> 01:15:55,759
Speaker 1: wage warfare on the high seas against the Ottoman Empire.

1372
01:15:56,280 --> 01:15:59,520
Speaker 1: They were setting in place a bulwark against the Islamic conquest.

1373
01:16:00,080 --> 01:16:03,040
Speaker 1: Already at this time Suleiman had pushed as far as

1374
01:16:03,120 --> 01:16:07,599
Speaker 1: the Gates of Vienna in fifteen twenty nine. I've already

1375
01:16:07,640 --> 01:16:12,000
Speaker 1: spoken to you about sixteen eighty three and that Gates

1376
01:16:12,080 --> 01:16:14,960
Speaker 1: of Vienna incident, where you had the Ottomans trying once

1377
01:16:14,960 --> 01:16:18,320
Speaker 1: again to go into the heart of Europe. But in

1378
01:16:18,400 --> 01:16:22,960
Speaker 1: fifteen twenty nine it was a turn of luck and

1379
01:16:23,240 --> 01:16:27,479
Speaker 1: some skilled fighting from the Christian defenders, including the brightly

1380
01:16:27,600 --> 01:16:31,599
Speaker 1: colored mercenaries known as the Lens Connects, who put up

1381
01:16:31,840 --> 01:16:34,639
Speaker 1: quite a fight against the Ottomans and turned them away

1382
01:16:34,680 --> 01:16:37,559
Speaker 1: at the Gates of Vienna in fifteen twenty nine. By

1383
01:16:37,640 --> 01:16:42,120
Speaker 1: the time fifteen sixty five rolls around, or fifteen sixty four,

1384
01:16:42,200 --> 01:16:45,160
Speaker 1: where the decision was made to prepare for the invasion

1385
01:16:45,200 --> 01:16:49,400
Speaker 1: of Malta, the Sultan had had enough. He turned over

1386
01:16:49,600 --> 01:16:52,960
Speaker 1: the command of his forces, both his fleet and the

1387
01:16:53,160 --> 01:16:56,320
Speaker 1: best of his troops, which at the time were considered

1388
01:16:56,360 --> 01:17:00,360
Speaker 1: among the finest in the world, including the genus Arias

1389
01:17:00,479 --> 01:17:05,280
Speaker 1: assaulted handed over command to Mustapha Pasha as the supreme

1390
01:17:05,560 --> 01:17:09,320
Speaker 1: general for his land forces and Pila Pasha as the

1391
01:17:09,680 --> 01:17:14,400
Speaker 1: supreme naval commander. To this split command, which was one

1392
01:17:14,439 --> 01:17:17,679
Speaker 1: of the major blunders of this whole campaign. You could

1393
01:17:17,680 --> 01:17:22,719
Speaker 1: add in the infamous feared Barbary pirate Dragut, who also

1394
01:17:22,800 --> 01:17:25,599
Speaker 1: showed up with his fleet from the coast of North Africa.

1395
01:17:26,200 --> 01:17:28,559
Speaker 1: But I'm getting a bit ahead of myself. I want

1396
01:17:28,600 --> 01:17:32,280
Speaker 1: to tell you a bit more about this island of Malta,

1397
01:17:32,400 --> 01:17:36,519
Speaker 1: its defenses, its preparations, and the stakes for the coming

1398
01:17:36,560 --> 01:17:42,519
Speaker 1: battle on Malta in fifteen the siege, the greatest siege

1399
01:17:42,640 --> 01:17:47,200
Speaker 1: in many ways of the era of Holy warfare between

1400
01:17:47,680 --> 01:17:50,880
Speaker 1: Cross and Crescent. More on this when we come back

1401
01:17:51,479 --> 01:17:55,880
Speaker 1: The Siege of Malta, Part two. When I left you last,

1402
01:17:55,960 --> 01:17:59,400
Speaker 1: we were talking about how this rocky island in the

1403
01:17:59,439 --> 01:18:02,759
Speaker 1: middle of the men A terranean in fifteen sixty five

1404
01:18:03,680 --> 01:18:08,559
Speaker 1: a scene that ended in September and fact September eleven

1405
01:18:08,720 --> 01:18:12,360
Speaker 1: into September twelve was the end of the formal siege.

1406
01:18:12,800 --> 01:18:17,040
Speaker 1: So we are commemorating it this week that this island

1407
01:18:17,280 --> 01:18:20,560
Speaker 1: was not valuable real estate in the sense that it

1408
01:18:20,800 --> 01:18:26,080
Speaker 1: was uh fruitful in the sense that it had agricultural value.

1409
01:18:26,560 --> 01:18:30,120
Speaker 1: In fact, Malta isn't good for a whole lot other

1410
01:18:30,720 --> 01:18:34,479
Speaker 1: than a harbor and as a place from which to

1411
01:18:34,640 --> 01:18:39,280
Speaker 1: launch ships, and for that it is actually excellent. So

1412
01:18:39,360 --> 01:18:44,000
Speaker 1: what happened was that the Sultan Suleiman the Magnificent managed

1413
01:18:44,040 --> 01:18:46,760
Speaker 1: to kick the Knights of St. John, a holy order

1414
01:18:46,840 --> 01:18:50,519
Speaker 1: from the Crusades, out of their island fortress in Roads,

1415
01:18:51,000 --> 01:18:55,840
Speaker 1: and then King Charles the fifth of Spain handed over

1416
01:18:56,200 --> 01:18:58,040
Speaker 1: Malta to the Knights of St. John. But then in

1417
01:18:58,120 --> 01:19:01,760
Speaker 1: fifteen sixty four, soon mom decided that he could no

1418
01:19:02,080 --> 01:19:07,200
Speaker 1: longer allow this holy order of Christian Nights taken from

1419
01:19:07,600 --> 01:19:10,640
Speaker 1: royal families across Europe. In fact, they were broken up

1420
01:19:10,680 --> 01:19:14,960
Speaker 1: into lands for their languages, so if you were from

1421
01:19:15,040 --> 01:19:18,200
Speaker 1: the English lung or the French or the Spanish, you

1422
01:19:18,280 --> 01:19:21,000
Speaker 1: would be grouped together. It was kind of like their

1423
01:19:21,200 --> 01:19:23,920
Speaker 1: fire team, if you will. They were a tight knit

1424
01:19:24,200 --> 01:19:28,040
Speaker 1: unit based upon their origin, their their national origin, and

1425
01:19:28,080 --> 01:19:32,240
Speaker 1: their language. Um But the Knights had been rating against

1426
01:19:32,320 --> 01:19:34,360
Speaker 1: the Ottomans, and the Ottomans had been raiding against the

1427
01:19:34,439 --> 01:19:38,479
Speaker 1: Christians all throughout the fifteenth and into the sixteenth century.

1428
01:19:39,120 --> 01:19:43,160
Speaker 1: This was a period of galley warfare. What's amazing is

1429
01:19:43,240 --> 01:19:46,840
Speaker 1: that there was, in fact gunpowder used all the time

1430
01:19:46,920 --> 01:19:51,080
Speaker 1: in warfare at this period. People had small arms, they

1431
01:19:51,160 --> 01:19:55,840
Speaker 1: had cannons, uh. And that was brought to bear in

1432
01:19:56,160 --> 01:19:59,519
Speaker 1: in in decisive fashion the Battle of Lepanto in fifteen

1433
01:19:59,640 --> 01:20:02,600
Speaker 1: seven one, which we will be talking about in October,

1434
01:20:02,760 --> 01:20:07,160
Speaker 1: the commemoration of that incredible victory of the Allied Christian

1435
01:20:07,240 --> 01:20:13,680
Speaker 1: States over the jihadiest advance into Europe. But galley warfare

1436
01:20:13,880 --> 01:20:20,040
Speaker 1: relied on human power to make the oars move the ships.

1437
01:20:20,439 --> 01:20:24,040
Speaker 1: This is old school. They were essentially using the same

1438
01:20:24,200 --> 01:20:28,960
Speaker 1: technology benches with guys on them pulling big oars to

1439
01:20:29,160 --> 01:20:32,360
Speaker 1: move their ships that were used all the way back

1440
01:20:32,520 --> 01:20:37,840
Speaker 1: in ancient Greece and ancient Rome in their trireme warfare.

1441
01:20:38,080 --> 01:20:41,920
Speaker 1: So this is a technology uh that on the calm

1442
01:20:42,000 --> 01:20:46,120
Speaker 1: waters of the Mediterranean hadn't changed all that much. Propulsion

1443
01:20:46,320 --> 01:20:50,000
Speaker 1: by human power over sailing ships was still the order

1444
01:20:50,360 --> 01:20:53,880
Speaker 1: of the day, and for that you needed slaves. Now,

1445
01:20:54,080 --> 01:20:56,640
Speaker 1: they weren't all slaves on these galley benches, but that

1446
01:20:57,040 --> 01:21:01,439
Speaker 1: was a primary means of keeping the ships in motion.

1447
01:21:01,960 --> 01:21:06,760
Speaker 1: And so the Ottomans and the Christians would seize both

1448
01:21:07,120 --> 01:21:10,400
Speaker 1: people from the other religion as well as their own

1449
01:21:10,479 --> 01:21:13,800
Speaker 1: religion in cases of warfare, to be slaves on their

1450
01:21:14,240 --> 01:21:18,640
Speaker 1: galley benches. So Malta was perfect for this because you

1451
01:21:18,760 --> 01:21:21,920
Speaker 1: had a limited range that ships could go. And so

1452
01:21:22,080 --> 01:21:25,719
Speaker 1: it's geographic location just to the north of the Barbary

1453
01:21:25,800 --> 01:21:29,000
Speaker 1: states of North Africa, just to the south of Sicily.

1454
01:21:29,360 --> 01:21:32,000
Speaker 1: If you kept going up you'd hit the southern tip

1455
01:21:32,120 --> 01:21:35,599
Speaker 1: of the boot of Italy. Malta is prime real estate.

1456
01:21:35,880 --> 01:21:38,240
Speaker 1: This is also why later on, even in the Second

1457
01:21:38,280 --> 01:21:42,040
Speaker 1: World War, there was another Siege of Malta, which ended

1458
01:21:42,120 --> 01:21:45,920
Speaker 1: in nineteen forty two and was a dramatic contest between

1459
01:21:46,360 --> 01:21:49,000
Speaker 1: the Royal Air Force of Great Britain and the Royal

1460
01:21:49,120 --> 01:21:54,280
Speaker 1: Navy against the forces of Italy and Germany. So Malta

1461
01:21:54,560 --> 01:21:57,600
Speaker 1: is an important little rock in the middle of the

1462
01:21:57,640 --> 01:22:01,840
Speaker 1: Red Mediterranean. It also has a fascinating history. It is

1463
01:22:01,920 --> 01:22:05,519
Speaker 1: believed that the original inhabitants of Malta are descendants of

1464
01:22:05,600 --> 01:22:09,800
Speaker 1: the great seafarers of the Mediterranean known as the Phoenicians.

1465
01:22:10,160 --> 01:22:13,760
Speaker 1: Not only did we have advances in sailing technology from

1466
01:22:13,960 --> 01:22:18,200
Speaker 1: this seafaring people, but also of course the Phoenician alphabet,

1467
01:22:18,479 --> 01:22:23,280
Speaker 1: which from which we derived uh Middle Eastern as well

1468
01:22:23,520 --> 01:22:28,759
Speaker 1: as European scripts. So back to Malta. It is named.

1469
01:22:29,040 --> 01:22:31,960
Speaker 1: It is believed, at least because there were so many

1470
01:22:32,000 --> 01:22:35,320
Speaker 1: different groups that had occupied this little island over time,

1471
01:22:35,960 --> 01:22:40,000
Speaker 1: that it is a bastardization of the Greek term for

1472
01:22:40,400 --> 01:22:44,559
Speaker 1: honey melita. But before that it was it is thought

1473
01:22:44,680 --> 01:22:48,639
Speaker 1: that the Phoenicians referred to it as maleth or a haven,

1474
01:22:49,160 --> 01:22:52,080
Speaker 1: so over time it changed. You had the Greek word

1475
01:22:52,600 --> 01:22:55,599
Speaker 1: meli or melita for honey. The Romans called it milita.

1476
01:22:55,760 --> 01:22:58,639
Speaker 1: It was a place that could produce some pretty good honey.

1477
01:22:58,680 --> 01:23:01,000
Speaker 1: It was an island of fatness in that sense. But

1478
01:23:01,080 --> 01:23:04,560
Speaker 1: the most important part of Malta to understand is that

1479
01:23:04,760 --> 01:23:07,280
Speaker 1: it is two islands, the island of Malta and the

1480
01:23:07,400 --> 01:23:10,639
Speaker 1: island of Gozo to its north, which is a smaller

1481
01:23:10,680 --> 01:23:15,400
Speaker 1: and less important island. But their geographic location smack dab

1482
01:23:15,479 --> 01:23:19,479
Speaker 1: in the middle of Mediterranean and really bisecting the Mediterranean Sea.

1483
01:23:19,880 --> 01:23:26,920
Speaker 1: Plus the excellent, incredibly well laid out ports in the

1484
01:23:27,080 --> 01:23:30,839
Speaker 1: Grand Harbor made it an essential place and for galley

1485
01:23:30,920 --> 01:23:32,920
Speaker 1: warfare when you had to have ships that could be

1486
01:23:33,000 --> 01:23:35,719
Speaker 1: protected from the seas, and that also could be protected

1487
01:23:35,760 --> 01:23:40,280
Speaker 1: by raised guns and fortresses nearby. The Grand Harbor of

1488
01:23:40,479 --> 01:23:47,519
Speaker 1: Malta was priceless strategic real estate, and Sultan Suleiman wanted it.

1489
01:23:48,040 --> 01:23:50,680
Speaker 1: Now the Knights of Malta had had they're now known

1490
01:23:50,720 --> 01:23:52,519
Speaker 1: as the Knights of Malta, the Knights of Saint John.

1491
01:23:52,560 --> 01:23:55,280
Speaker 1: At the time, the Knights Hospitaller had had time to

1492
01:23:55,439 --> 01:23:59,240
Speaker 1: set up some pretty substantial defenses. And as I said,

1493
01:23:59,280 --> 01:24:01,360
Speaker 1: this is an era of gunpowder, but you have a

1494
01:24:01,520 --> 01:24:06,720
Speaker 1: mix in warfare of gunpowder and steel with ancient technologies,

1495
01:24:07,040 --> 01:24:10,840
Speaker 1: and that includes really what is just a modern version

1496
01:24:10,920 --> 01:24:14,519
Speaker 1: of castle building. The fortresses that they've built in places

1497
01:24:14,960 --> 01:24:19,519
Speaker 1: named Single Virgo and Fort st Elmo, which will be

1498
01:24:19,560 --> 01:24:22,759
Speaker 1: talking about more in just a few minutes, were essential

1499
01:24:22,840 --> 01:24:26,280
Speaker 1: for the defense of this island. So you have a

1500
01:24:26,680 --> 01:24:29,320
Speaker 1: very valuable piece of real estate. You have the Christian

1501
01:24:29,560 --> 01:24:32,880
Speaker 1: forces of not just the inhabitants of Malta, but also

1502
01:24:33,280 --> 01:24:37,120
Speaker 1: the Knights of Saint John, and they were hated, absolutely

1503
01:24:37,200 --> 01:24:40,240
Speaker 1: hated by the Ottomans, by Suleiman himself, and he sent

1504
01:24:40,360 --> 01:24:43,719
Speaker 1: two of his most trusted military advisers with a force

1505
01:24:44,400 --> 01:24:47,480
Speaker 1: of at least thirty, perhaps as many as fifty thousand

1506
01:24:47,920 --> 01:24:52,920
Speaker 1: to take this one tiny little island. We'll talk more

1507
01:24:52,920 --> 01:24:55,600
Speaker 1: about it in just a few Stay with me, The

1508
01:24:55,720 --> 01:25:00,439
Speaker 1: Siege of Malta, Part three. So we've discussed the lead

1509
01:25:00,520 --> 01:25:03,400
Speaker 1: up to what was one of the most important battles

1510
01:25:04,040 --> 01:25:07,599
Speaker 1: in the history of the Mediterranean, certainly in the history

1511
01:25:07,760 --> 01:25:13,920
Speaker 1: of the Cross versus Crescent, Jihad versus Christendom, wars that

1512
01:25:14,080 --> 01:25:17,720
Speaker 1: lasted over centuries that they don't talk to us enough

1513
01:25:17,760 --> 01:25:19,760
Speaker 1: about in school. We don't learn about it. They don't

1514
01:25:20,000 --> 01:25:22,360
Speaker 1: they don't teach this, and when they do, they come

1515
01:25:22,439 --> 01:25:25,960
Speaker 1: up with all of these bizarre and politicized narratives of

1516
01:25:26,080 --> 01:25:28,479
Speaker 1: what happened. Let me give you a perfect example before

1517
01:25:28,520 --> 01:25:32,720
Speaker 1: I tell you more about the actual siege preparations and

1518
01:25:32,840 --> 01:25:35,759
Speaker 1: the forces that landed and that we're squaring off against

1519
01:25:35,840 --> 01:25:38,200
Speaker 1: each other. But this will tie into it. There was

1520
01:25:38,240 --> 01:25:43,680
Speaker 1: a group known as the Janissaries. Now, they were considered

1521
01:25:44,200 --> 01:25:47,800
Speaker 1: the most skilled and most feared of all of the

1522
01:25:48,000 --> 01:25:51,120
Speaker 1: sultan in this case Suleiman the magnificent of all of

1523
01:25:51,200 --> 01:25:54,680
Speaker 1: his forces. The Janissaries and their brightly colored clothing and

1524
01:25:54,720 --> 01:25:58,800
Speaker 1: their turbans carrying a precursor to the modern rifle and

1525
01:25:59,040 --> 01:26:03,160
Speaker 1: arquebus and scimitar and other hand to hand combat weapons.

1526
01:26:03,560 --> 01:26:05,840
Speaker 1: They were feared all across the Mediterranean and they were

1527
01:26:06,000 --> 01:26:10,640
Speaker 1: the elite shock troops of the Sultan. Janissary means in

1528
01:26:11,120 --> 01:26:15,240
Speaker 1: Turkish new soldier. This was a core of soldiers that

1529
01:26:15,400 --> 01:26:20,080
Speaker 1: were actually Christians. You see, the Ottoman conquest had gone

1530
01:26:20,120 --> 01:26:25,640
Speaker 1: into Eastern Europe and for centuries there was a process

1531
01:26:26,200 --> 01:26:28,920
Speaker 1: by which they they would be brought in under the

1532
01:26:29,040 --> 01:26:34,400
Speaker 1: dev Shrma system and then they would receive military and

1533
01:26:34,720 --> 01:26:39,040
Speaker 1: political and bureaucratic training because they were actually put into

1534
01:26:39,160 --> 01:26:43,840
Speaker 1: many different parts of the Sultan's government, if you will.

1535
01:26:44,080 --> 01:26:46,880
Speaker 1: The Sultan that used them in a very in various capacities,

1536
01:26:46,920 --> 01:26:49,439
Speaker 1: but the one for which they were most famous was

1537
01:26:49,720 --> 01:26:54,479
Speaker 1: in a military capacity. And they were Christians. They were

1538
01:26:54,560 --> 01:26:59,680
Speaker 1: seized at a at a young age, usually around the

1539
01:26:59,800 --> 01:27:04,920
Speaker 1: age of eight to fourteen, so they were young boys

1540
01:27:05,000 --> 01:27:08,120
Speaker 1: taken from their families and what is now Eastern Europe,

1541
01:27:08,160 --> 01:27:11,439
Speaker 1: the Balkans, and they were raised as subjects. They were

1542
01:27:11,479 --> 01:27:14,879
Speaker 1: converted to Islam and raised as subjects of the Sultan

1543
01:27:15,000 --> 01:27:19,040
Speaker 1: and then were used as shock troops of the Sultan.

1544
01:27:19,200 --> 01:27:23,639
Speaker 1: And the janissaries were feared all across the Mediterranean world

1545
01:27:23,680 --> 01:27:27,200
Speaker 1: and throughout all of the Ottoman Empire's domains. Keep in mind,

1546
01:27:27,320 --> 01:27:32,200
Speaker 1: at this point in time, the sixteenth the mid sixteenth century,

1547
01:27:32,560 --> 01:27:37,080
Speaker 1: the Ottoman Empire was the single most powerful military force

1548
01:27:37,560 --> 01:27:42,439
Speaker 1: in the Western world. It's domains were vast, stretching from

1549
01:27:42,479 --> 01:27:45,479
Speaker 1: what is modern Turkey, all the way across North Africa

1550
01:27:45,840 --> 01:27:49,240
Speaker 1: into Eastern Europe, and all throughout what is now the

1551
01:27:49,400 --> 01:27:55,360
Speaker 1: modern Middle East. The Sultan's domains stretched on well beyond

1552
01:27:55,640 --> 01:27:59,640
Speaker 1: what any Christian prince or king could claim, and so

1553
01:28:00,120 --> 01:28:03,719
Speaker 1: the Sultan had a particular hatred for anyone who would

1554
01:28:03,800 --> 01:28:08,360
Speaker 1: stand up to his rule. The Knights, the Knights of

1555
01:28:08,880 --> 01:28:13,200
Speaker 1: Saint John, the Knights hospitall er, we're just such a case.

1556
01:28:13,400 --> 01:28:16,400
Speaker 1: They refused to bend the knee. In fact, they continued

1557
01:28:16,720 --> 01:28:20,880
Speaker 1: to raid the shipping lanes and to sees ships h

1558
01:28:21,000 --> 01:28:24,040
Speaker 1: There was a particularly famous course hair which is really

1559
01:28:24,160 --> 01:28:28,400
Speaker 1: just a fancy way of saying pirate named Romagas, who

1560
01:28:28,760 --> 01:28:31,639
Speaker 1: later on would be involved after the Siege of Malta.

1561
01:28:31,880 --> 01:28:35,040
Speaker 1: He was already renowned for his seamanship, his fighting prowess

1562
01:28:35,080 --> 01:28:37,920
Speaker 1: and skill during the Siege of Malta, but later on

1563
01:28:38,000 --> 01:28:41,160
Speaker 1: would be part of a military operation that would lead

1564
01:28:41,200 --> 01:28:45,639
Speaker 1: to the decisive naval engagement at Lepanto in fifteen seventy one,

1565
01:28:45,960 --> 01:28:49,400
Speaker 1: when you had what was before modern times the single

1566
01:28:49,680 --> 01:28:55,080
Speaker 1: biggest and most impressive assortment of naval surface warfare vessels

1567
01:28:55,479 --> 01:28:58,559
Speaker 1: ever gathered. But Lepanto will have to be a story

1568
01:28:58,600 --> 01:29:03,200
Speaker 1: we talked about another time. So Malta is preparing for

1569
01:29:03,439 --> 01:29:06,360
Speaker 1: this siege, and it was very fortunate because while the

1570
01:29:06,600 --> 01:29:11,120
Speaker 1: command structure of the Ottoman forces that were arrayed against

1571
01:29:11,200 --> 01:29:15,479
Speaker 1: it was separated between Pali Pasha and Mustapha Pasha Piali

1572
01:29:15,880 --> 01:29:19,120
Speaker 1: the head of the navy, the Grand Admiral if you will,

1573
01:29:19,280 --> 01:29:23,920
Speaker 1: and Mustapha Pasha the four star chairman of the Joint Chiefs.

1574
01:29:24,000 --> 01:29:28,040
Speaker 1: He was the head of the ground forces. And on

1575
01:29:28,200 --> 01:29:32,759
Speaker 1: the Christian side you had a leader who was every

1576
01:29:32,920 --> 01:29:38,639
Speaker 1: bit as dedicated, brave and yes fanatical to his cause

1577
01:29:39,040 --> 01:29:43,599
Speaker 1: as any janissary or any slave of the Sultan. Leading

1578
01:29:43,640 --> 01:29:47,519
Speaker 1: the Knights of Saint John on Malta, you had Jean

1579
01:29:47,640 --> 01:29:53,200
Speaker 1: Parissau de Valette. He was a French nobleman and he

1580
01:29:53,439 --> 01:29:57,599
Speaker 1: was the Grand Master of the Order of Malta at

1581
01:29:57,640 --> 01:30:00,679
Speaker 1: the time. The Knights Hospital Hospital or Knights of St.

1582
01:30:00,800 --> 01:30:04,680
Speaker 1: John on Malta, and he had a keen understanding of

1583
01:30:05,080 --> 01:30:09,200
Speaker 1: military engagements, naval warfare and everything that was going to

1584
01:30:09,320 --> 01:30:13,679
Speaker 1: occur on Malta. So he was preparing. They were setting

1585
01:30:13,800 --> 01:30:17,120
Speaker 1: up with supplies. They were setting up once their spies

1586
01:30:17,240 --> 01:30:19,720
Speaker 1: came back and told them, because at this period you

1587
01:30:19,800 --> 01:30:22,960
Speaker 1: could not move a massive armada from with the Saltan.

1588
01:30:23,000 --> 01:30:26,320
Speaker 1: You couldn't mobilize it and bring together all of the soldiers.

1589
01:30:26,520 --> 01:30:29,439
Speaker 1: Forty thousand a standing army of forty thousand or so

1590
01:30:29,600 --> 01:30:33,160
Speaker 1: at the time was massive. And to pull that together

1591
01:30:33,280 --> 01:30:37,480
Speaker 1: and to mobilize it over a thousand miles from Istanbul,

1592
01:30:38,600 --> 01:30:41,560
Speaker 1: you had to bring together tremendous logistical effort, and you

1593
01:30:41,640 --> 01:30:45,280
Speaker 1: had to bring because Malta didn't have much to pillage

1594
01:30:45,320 --> 01:30:49,040
Speaker 1: and plunder and had even less at the Jean delivered

1595
01:30:50,320 --> 01:30:56,160
Speaker 1: after Jean Parois de Valette had his strategy put into place,

1596
01:30:56,920 --> 01:30:59,320
Speaker 1: he made sure that all of the harvest was brought

1597
01:30:59,400 --> 01:31:02,080
Speaker 1: in early. You had a limited time for this campaign

1598
01:31:02,160 --> 01:31:05,439
Speaker 1: as well, which is very important. Limited time to seize

1599
01:31:05,520 --> 01:31:09,519
Speaker 1: the island of Malta by the Sultan's forces and to

1600
01:31:09,720 --> 01:31:12,479
Speaker 1: eradicate and that was really the plan to eradicate the

1601
01:31:12,640 --> 01:31:17,200
Speaker 1: last stronghold of what was a vestige, a true vestige

1602
01:31:17,320 --> 01:31:20,439
Speaker 1: of the Crusades, which is what the Knights hospital Or were.

1603
01:31:21,280 --> 01:31:24,479
Speaker 1: So they brought together these massive forces, and de Valette

1604
01:31:24,560 --> 01:31:29,479
Speaker 1: knew that they were coming and prepared with excellence. He

1605
01:31:29,880 --> 01:31:32,080
Speaker 1: made sure that they brought in all of the crops.

1606
01:31:32,160 --> 01:31:35,599
Speaker 1: He made sure that they had worked on the lines

1607
01:31:35,680 --> 01:31:38,479
Speaker 1: of fire from all the different cannons, and built up

1608
01:31:38,479 --> 01:31:42,360
Speaker 1: the fortifications as best as he possibly could, and understood

1609
01:31:42,840 --> 01:31:45,960
Speaker 1: that while the princes and kings and dukes of Europe

1610
01:31:46,160 --> 01:31:48,840
Speaker 1: would claim at least that they would be willing to

1611
01:31:49,040 --> 01:31:53,760
Speaker 1: come to the aid of the Knights hospital Or on

1612
01:31:53,840 --> 01:31:58,240
Speaker 1: this island, because after if they lost, it was obvious

1613
01:31:58,400 --> 01:32:01,280
Speaker 1: that Sicily would be next it. After that, and from

1614
01:32:01,360 --> 01:32:05,760
Speaker 1: there the underbelly of Europe wide open to the Islamic conquest.

1615
01:32:06,479 --> 01:32:11,800
Speaker 1: So Vallet prepares and make sure that everything is ready.

1616
01:32:12,200 --> 01:32:15,800
Speaker 1: And there's the Grand Harbor and the surrounding fortifications I

1617
01:32:15,880 --> 01:32:22,200
Speaker 1: mentioned before to you, uh Sanglia, Burgoo and Fort St. Angelo,

1618
01:32:22,400 --> 01:32:25,800
Speaker 1: which was on Burgoo, which is a peninsula sticking out

1619
01:32:25,840 --> 01:32:29,200
Speaker 1: into the Grand Harbor. Sanglia is also a peninsula, and

1620
01:32:29,280 --> 01:32:33,759
Speaker 1: then Fort St. Elmo, which stuck out from the rest

1621
01:32:34,000 --> 01:32:38,480
Speaker 1: and was the first place where the major siege was engaged.

1622
01:32:39,080 --> 01:32:45,799
Speaker 1: So you also had a capital. The capital of Malta

1623
01:32:46,200 --> 01:32:50,800
Speaker 1: is Medina, which has clear Arabic roots. The Arabic word

1624
01:32:50,880 --> 01:32:53,920
Speaker 1: for city is Medina. But that was the capital, and

1625
01:32:54,120 --> 01:32:57,120
Speaker 1: that was where the Maltese, because there were inhabitants about

1626
01:32:57,400 --> 01:33:00,160
Speaker 1: ten thousand or so inhabitants of Malta at the time time,

1627
01:33:00,479 --> 01:33:04,160
Speaker 1: that was their capital city and they knew to settle

1628
01:33:04,240 --> 01:33:07,360
Speaker 1: in for a siege there as well. So the Ottomans

1629
01:33:07,880 --> 01:33:12,560
Speaker 1: arrive in the middle of May of fifth of A,

1630
01:33:12,680 --> 01:33:15,719
Speaker 1: fifteen sixty five. They arrive on the island of Malta

1631
01:33:15,920 --> 01:33:21,000
Speaker 1: in full force. They have a large number of janissaries,

1632
01:33:21,040 --> 01:33:24,200
Speaker 1: they've brought cavalry, and they've brought a tremendous amount of

1633
01:33:24,320 --> 01:33:27,480
Speaker 1: cannon and mortar to try and take down the fortifications

1634
01:33:27,840 --> 01:33:31,160
Speaker 1: around the Grand Harbor, because they knew that that was

1635
01:33:31,200 --> 01:33:34,600
Speaker 1: where the Knights hospital Er had made their home and

1636
01:33:34,720 --> 01:33:37,559
Speaker 1: that was also the strong point on the island. Now,

1637
01:33:37,920 --> 01:33:40,560
Speaker 1: a lot of military historians have looked at some of

1638
01:33:40,600 --> 01:33:44,519
Speaker 1: the decisions made from the Ottoman perspective at this time

1639
01:33:45,000 --> 01:33:48,000
Speaker 1: and view them in retrospect, and they ended up losing

1640
01:33:48,040 --> 01:33:52,599
Speaker 1: of course to be disastrous. They could have taken Medina out,

1641
01:33:52,720 --> 01:33:55,000
Speaker 1: the capital city, which was in the center of the

1642
01:33:55,120 --> 01:33:58,719
Speaker 1: island of Malta, but they decided not to. They could

1643
01:33:58,840 --> 01:34:03,599
Speaker 1: have cut off Malta from the north with a naval

1644
01:34:03,760 --> 01:34:06,320
Speaker 1: blockade that was effective, but they didn't really put that

1645
01:34:06,439 --> 01:34:08,760
Speaker 1: in place either. There was a bit of arrogance to

1646
01:34:08,840 --> 01:34:11,200
Speaker 1: the Ottomans at this time. They really did think that

1647
01:34:11,360 --> 01:34:14,400
Speaker 1: not only were they the most well funded and well

1648
01:34:14,479 --> 01:34:17,760
Speaker 1: supplied military in the world at the time, but that

1649
01:34:17,880 --> 01:34:22,160
Speaker 1: they were essentially unstoppable because Allah, because God was on

1650
01:34:22,360 --> 01:34:25,360
Speaker 1: their side, because the Sultan was the Caliph, the head

1651
01:34:25,479 --> 01:34:29,880
Speaker 1: of the Uma, the Islamic community, and Suliman the Magnificent

1652
01:34:29,960 --> 01:34:34,280
Speaker 1: in particular, had had victory after victory, only being turned back,

1653
01:34:34,360 --> 01:34:39,320
Speaker 1: as I mentioned by the lands connects the German mercenaries

1654
01:34:39,360 --> 01:34:42,120
Speaker 1: and their colorful clothing at the Siege of Vienna in

1655
01:34:42,320 --> 01:34:47,519
Speaker 1: fifteen twenty nine. Suliman wanted payback and he wanted to

1656
01:34:47,640 --> 01:34:53,240
Speaker 1: finish off these troublesome meddlesome knights who were Christian fanatics

1657
01:34:53,560 --> 01:34:56,120
Speaker 1: who believed that they were doing God's work and that

1658
01:34:56,240 --> 01:35:00,439
Speaker 1: they were going to prevent the Islamization of Europe. With

1659
01:35:00,880 --> 01:35:05,280
Speaker 1: the force of their arms, so they have a landing

1660
01:35:05,600 --> 01:35:11,000
Speaker 1: and the landing is unopposed because Valette knows that he

1661
01:35:11,160 --> 01:35:13,280
Speaker 1: doesn't want to go toe to toe. He only has

1662
01:35:13,360 --> 01:35:19,120
Speaker 1: about nine thousand soldiers in total, including Maltese and Spanish

1663
01:35:19,520 --> 01:35:23,880
Speaker 1: regular infantry. Spanish at the time were a major military

1664
01:35:24,000 --> 01:35:27,800
Speaker 1: power and hundreds of nights, but the nights were only

1665
01:35:27,880 --> 01:35:30,360
Speaker 1: in the hundreds. On the other side of the battlefield,

1666
01:35:30,720 --> 01:35:35,839
Speaker 1: you had the vast might of the invading Sultan's forces,

1667
01:35:36,000 --> 01:35:41,160
Speaker 1: including thousands and thousands of cavalry and janissaries. They made

1668
01:35:41,320 --> 01:35:44,160
Speaker 1: a very important decision though they did not go for

1669
01:35:44,280 --> 01:35:46,920
Speaker 1: Medina to eliminate that, and Medina would come back to

1670
01:35:47,040 --> 01:35:50,839
Speaker 1: haunt them because while it wasn't a concentration of military

1671
01:35:50,920 --> 01:35:54,360
Speaker 1: power on the island, it did in fact play a

1672
01:35:54,520 --> 01:35:58,400
Speaker 1: role later on in the conflict, and they would come

1673
01:35:58,439 --> 01:36:02,800
Speaker 1: to regret leaving They're rear open to Medina and its

1674
01:36:02,880 --> 01:36:08,360
Speaker 1: cavalry forces. But they also could have gone straight for

1675
01:36:08,560 --> 01:36:12,360
Speaker 1: the main fortifications of the Grand Harbor and tried to

1676
01:36:12,520 --> 01:36:17,599
Speaker 1: take from the beginning the fort Fort st and Fort

1677
01:36:17,640 --> 01:36:22,760
Speaker 1: Saint Angelo and beer Goo which is the peninsula, and

1678
01:36:22,880 --> 01:36:25,400
Speaker 1: try to take Sanglia as well. That those were the

1679
01:36:25,479 --> 01:36:29,840
Speaker 1: two main fortifications, Fort st Elmo, which stuck out on

1680
01:36:29,920 --> 01:36:33,760
Speaker 1: a rock, a rocky outcropping. That was a place that

1681
01:36:33,840 --> 01:36:37,120
Speaker 1: they could have taken and but didn't have to. But

1682
01:36:37,840 --> 01:36:40,920
Speaker 1: in one of the great historical what ifs, they decided

1683
01:36:41,280 --> 01:36:43,240
Speaker 1: that they wouldn't go right for the Grand Harbor, that

1684
01:36:43,280 --> 01:36:45,360
Speaker 1: they would go north of what was the Grand Harbor

1685
01:36:45,439 --> 01:36:50,599
Speaker 1: to the Marsa Mosquito and they would settle in there.

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01:36:50,720 --> 01:36:55,000
Speaker 1: And to do that they had to take Fort st Elmo. Now,

1687
01:36:55,520 --> 01:36:58,640
Speaker 1: Fort st Elmo had been well prepared by Valette for

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01:36:59,000 --> 01:37:02,040
Speaker 1: a long sea age, and while there was an initial

1689
01:37:02,120 --> 01:37:08,240
Speaker 1: engagement of of minor consequence outside the walls of what

1690
01:37:08,439 --> 01:37:11,639
Speaker 1: were the main fortifications by the Knights, they went out

1691
01:37:11,720 --> 01:37:15,839
Speaker 1: and there was an initial sally against the uh initial

1692
01:37:15,880 --> 01:37:18,439
Speaker 1: sally against the Ottoman troops. But then they withdrew and

1693
01:37:18,479 --> 01:37:20,320
Speaker 1: they stayed behind the walls because they knew they were

1694
01:37:20,360 --> 01:37:24,160
Speaker 1: outnumbered at least three, more like four or five to one.

1695
01:37:24,280 --> 01:37:26,960
Speaker 1: They had no shot in open warfare out in the

1696
01:37:27,040 --> 01:37:31,360
Speaker 1: field against the Ottomans. And a very important distinction here

1697
01:37:31,800 --> 01:37:34,439
Speaker 1: was that behind those fortifications, not only did you have

1698
01:37:34,520 --> 01:37:39,280
Speaker 1: the advantage of the high ground and defensive ramparts, which

1699
01:37:39,479 --> 01:37:43,280
Speaker 1: were essential for the entirety of the siege, but the

1700
01:37:43,400 --> 01:37:47,000
Speaker 1: Knights in particular, as well as their infantrymen, the Christian

1701
01:37:47,120 --> 01:37:52,479
Speaker 1: Knights of Saint John, wore heavy plate armor. The Ottoman

1702
01:37:52,560 --> 01:37:57,200
Speaker 1: troops primarily wore loose fitting tunics and loose clothing, which

1703
01:37:57,280 --> 01:37:59,560
Speaker 1: kept them mobile and meant they were less likely to

1704
01:38:00,040 --> 01:38:02,280
Speaker 1: her heat, which was a constant problem throughout the summer

1705
01:38:02,320 --> 01:38:05,519
Speaker 1: months in Malta. Malta is incredibly hot, uh and it

1706
01:38:05,640 --> 01:38:07,880
Speaker 1: was incredibly hot during the time of the siege, but

1707
01:38:08,000 --> 01:38:10,120
Speaker 1: it also meant that they were much more likely to

1708
01:38:10,479 --> 01:38:15,240
Speaker 1: withstand close quarters combat, and so one heavily armored night

1709
01:38:15,439 --> 01:38:20,840
Speaker 1: was able to fight off many of the Muslim vanguard

1710
01:38:21,040 --> 01:38:23,400
Speaker 1: who would try to get over the walls and were

1711
01:38:23,760 --> 01:38:27,120
Speaker 1: lightly if armored at all and just had scimitars and

1712
01:38:27,560 --> 01:38:32,640
Speaker 1: an arquebus, which is similar to a a musket, but

1713
01:38:32,760 --> 01:38:36,160
Speaker 1: it was often supported on a tripod and it's it's

1714
01:38:36,200 --> 01:38:39,400
Speaker 1: one of the earliest long guns that you will see

1715
01:38:39,760 --> 01:38:42,439
Speaker 1: um and it clearly took a long time to reload,

1716
01:38:42,479 --> 01:38:44,559
Speaker 1: but the Ottomans were pretty accurate with it, which would

1717
01:38:44,560 --> 01:38:46,640
Speaker 1: play a large role in the siege as well. But

1718
01:38:46,760 --> 01:38:49,320
Speaker 1: with Fort St. Angelo, the decision was made that they

1719
01:38:49,360 --> 01:38:54,200
Speaker 1: would take I'm sorry with Fort st Elmo. The decision

1720
01:38:54,320 --> 01:38:57,160
Speaker 1: was made that the with Fort st Elmo, the decision

1721
01:38:57,280 --> 01:39:01,400
Speaker 1: was made that they would take the fort at all costs.

1722
01:39:01,479 --> 01:39:05,519
Speaker 1: That was the first major part of the campaign, and

1723
01:39:05,920 --> 01:39:09,840
Speaker 1: it took They thought it would take days, perhaps a week.

1724
01:39:10,120 --> 01:39:13,880
Speaker 1: It went on for over a month, and Vallette knew

1725
01:39:14,080 --> 01:39:16,479
Speaker 1: that he had to extend the duration of the siege

1726
01:39:16,520 --> 01:39:19,680
Speaker 1: to get reinforcements from Europe. Yes, they all said they

1727
01:39:19,680 --> 01:39:23,320
Speaker 1: would send reinforcements, but he was a savvy enough, long

1728
01:39:23,439 --> 01:39:26,160
Speaker 1: standing enough warrior to know that he was going to

1729
01:39:26,280 --> 01:39:29,160
Speaker 1: be on his own. It was Valette, his knights, and

1730
01:39:29,520 --> 01:39:34,280
Speaker 1: the Maltese inhabitants, who, while not enamored with their newly

1731
01:39:34,479 --> 01:39:39,439
Speaker 1: arrived or relatively recently arrived uh Knights of Saint John,

1732
01:39:40,040 --> 01:39:43,800
Speaker 1: hated the Ottoman Turks, who had a long standing reputation

1733
01:39:44,439 --> 01:39:48,840
Speaker 1: for enslaved enslaving Christians and brutal treatment of them, and

1734
01:39:49,240 --> 01:39:53,000
Speaker 1: the Maltese were Christians, so they settled in for a

1735
01:39:53,200 --> 01:39:59,920
Speaker 1: long and brutal fight with just one effort to pound

1736
01:40:00,040 --> 01:40:04,200
Speaker 1: it into the dust after another bombardment after bombardment, day

1737
01:40:04,360 --> 01:40:07,240
Speaker 1: and night. And a critical part of this was that

1738
01:40:07,439 --> 01:40:09,880
Speaker 1: Fort Saint Elmo was able to be reinforced at night

1739
01:40:10,000 --> 01:40:13,640
Speaker 1: across the Grand Harbor, and there were various points in

1740
01:40:13,880 --> 01:40:19,200
Speaker 1: the UH weeks of the Siege of Saint Elmo where

1741
01:40:19,280 --> 01:40:21,760
Speaker 1: had there not been the ability to reinforce at night,

1742
01:40:22,280 --> 01:40:26,240
Speaker 1: then they probably would have lost the entirety of the conflict,

1743
01:40:26,320 --> 01:40:29,560
Speaker 1: because holding out was essential. I want to talk to

1744
01:40:29,560 --> 01:40:32,639
Speaker 1: you more about what happened at St. Elmo, and I'm

1745
01:40:32,640 --> 01:40:36,320
Speaker 1: gonna have to hold that for tomorrow. But let me

1746
01:40:36,400 --> 01:40:41,040
Speaker 1: just say this. This is a conflict that quickly turns

1747
01:40:41,080 --> 01:40:46,840
Speaker 1: into Ottomans capturing Christians, cutting off their heads, tying them

1748
01:40:46,880 --> 01:40:50,679
Speaker 1: to crosses, and floating them across the harbor for their

1749
01:40:51,240 --> 01:40:55,240
Speaker 1: comrades and arms to see, and then Valet responding and

1750
01:40:55,360 --> 01:40:59,880
Speaker 1: kind by executing every Muslim captive in his dungeons, low

1751
01:41:00,000 --> 01:41:03,720
Speaker 1: in their heads into cannons and firing them across the

1752
01:41:03,840 --> 01:41:07,840
Speaker 1: harbor at the Turkish invaders. We're gonna want to talk

1753
01:41:07,840 --> 01:41:12,960
Speaker 1: about that tomorrow, so um, let me get a quick

1754
01:41:13,000 --> 01:41:14,920
Speaker 1: close here on the other side of the break, team

1755
01:41:15,040 --> 01:41:17,720
Speaker 1: stay with me. Welcome back, team buck Sexton here. I

1756
01:41:17,840 --> 01:41:21,960
Speaker 1: hope you enjoyed our little UH diversion into history. Today

1757
01:41:22,040 --> 01:41:24,360
Speaker 1: I'm planning to finish up The Siege of Malta with

1758
01:41:24,400 --> 01:41:27,920
Speaker 1: you tomorrow in the third hour of the show. So

1759
01:41:28,120 --> 01:41:30,040
Speaker 1: if you like the history deep dives, let me know

1760
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Speaker 1: into it, you can let me know that too, and

1762
01:41:36,040 --> 01:41:38,120
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1763
01:41:38,120 --> 01:41:40,559
Speaker 1: like a straw pole via Facebook. I'll figure out whether

1764
01:41:40,640 --> 01:41:45,080
Speaker 1: people enjoy these his history deep dives thrown into the

1765
01:41:45,160 --> 01:41:48,160
Speaker 1: show here and there. Um, it'll be mostly a third

1766
01:41:48,240 --> 01:41:51,519
Speaker 1: hour thing, and I really enjoy it, and I like

1767
01:41:51,640 --> 01:41:54,120
Speaker 1: doing the research and the reading forward. And so if

1768
01:41:54,400 --> 01:41:57,040
Speaker 1: it's something that you all support, if Team Buck likes it,

1769
01:41:57,080 --> 01:41:58,680
Speaker 1: there'll be more of it. If not, well we can

1770
01:41:58,720 --> 01:42:01,880
Speaker 1: go back to some of the other subject matter news

1771
01:42:01,960 --> 01:42:05,160
Speaker 1: of the day, political analysis, national security, deep dimes, and

1772
01:42:05,200 --> 01:42:07,320
Speaker 1: everything else going on. But I like to spice it

1773
01:42:07,400 --> 01:42:08,800
Speaker 1: up here in the Freedom Hunt. I like to make

1774
01:42:08,840 --> 01:42:12,960
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1776
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1777
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Speaker 1: He did this cool Siege of Malta sort of mini

1778
01:42:20,160 --> 01:42:23,040
Speaker 1: podcast during his radio show, and it might be a

1779
01:42:23,080 --> 01:42:25,120
Speaker 1: really good way to get some new folks in two

1780
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1781
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1785
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1786
01:42:41,880 --> 01:42:43,880
Speaker 1: at one point during the show. So if you send

1787
01:42:43,920 --> 01:42:47,960
Speaker 1: me something really funny or really nice uh no mean stuff,

1788
01:42:48,680 --> 01:42:51,760
Speaker 1: I'll read it on here until tomorrow. My friends, I

1789
01:42:51,880 --> 01:42:55,760
Speaker 1: greatly appreciate your time and well you know it's coming.

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Speaker 1: Shields High