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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: And welcome back George don't Reay along with Karen Dolman

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Speaker 2: as we talk about ghost communications of the Ouiji board. Karen,

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Speaker 2: some people have had bad experiences with the WIGI board.

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Speaker 2: You've got to admit that.

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Speaker 3: Well, I hear reports of that for sure.

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Speaker 2: So what does that mean?

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Speaker 3: Well, you know, as I mentioned earlier, if we have fear,

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Speaker 3: we have projections or superstitions about the board, we're going

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Speaker 3: to tend to attract that to us. It's not just

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Speaker 3: it's not the board, it's just interacting with life. So

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Speaker 3: we have fears about even leaving our home. That can

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Speaker 3: cause havoc in our life. It can cause physical stress,

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Speaker 3: it can cause noticing, being hypervigilant, noticing everything and therefore

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Speaker 3: probably having some mishaps happen. So the same with the board.

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Speaker 3: It's it's not that the board is dangerous. It's neutral.

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Speaker 3: The board is neutral. It's the human mind and the

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Speaker 3: emotional state that really did term in the outcome. So

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Speaker 3: what it is that we believe again we will receive

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Speaker 3: and if we view the board through our filters of fear,

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Speaker 3: we will attract that back to it. So, yes, you

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Speaker 3: can have negative experience with anything and almost everything, but

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Speaker 3: it has nothing to do with the board. I am

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Speaker 3: not afraid of the board. I'm afraid of the people

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Speaker 3: who use the board and the kinds of beliefs they

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Speaker 3: bring to the session.

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Speaker 2: Who's moving the plant chet, the little thing that goes

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Speaker 2: all over the board.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the little indicator plant chet. So there's different theories

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Speaker 3: about that. The big one that science says is that

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Speaker 3: it's the idiom mootor effect, which basically says that the

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Speaker 3: muscle small muscle movements are controlled by the human brain

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Speaker 3: and we're not aware that subconsciously is happening. You know

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Speaker 3: that that that can happen, Yeah, like a reflex, like

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Speaker 3: an automatic like automatic writing, like an automatic response. I

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Speaker 3: actually believe there's actually separate entities, energies that I communicating

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Speaker 3: with and they pull. I can feel a polling sensation.

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Speaker 3: It's not a pushing, it's a polling. I feel the

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Speaker 3: energy poll that the plant sheet indicator, and I follow it.

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Speaker 3: And I've asked a lot of people over the years

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Speaker 3: that use the board too and have good results. You know,

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Speaker 3: what does it you feel? And they're saying, I feel

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Speaker 3: a poll. I feel like I'm moving with it. It's

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Speaker 3: moving and I'm following it, and that's what I feel too.

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Speaker 3: But I have to say, George is a very subtle

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Speaker 3: movement in the beginning. Until you understand what that movement

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Speaker 3: feels like, you might just miss it when you first

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Speaker 3: start using this tool.

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Speaker 2: How can you how can you use the board, Karen

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Speaker 2: for the betterment of mankind?

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Speaker 3: Well, here's a fun thing. This started in nineteen eighty nine.

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Speaker 3: I decided once I got out of graduate school, I

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Speaker 3: became a psychotherapist. I was studying Union Carl Juni and psychology,

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Speaker 3: and I really got into the whole collective unconscious and

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Speaker 3: archetypes and stuff, and I thought, you know what, why

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Speaker 3: don't we communicate with some of these archetypes specific I

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Speaker 3: hire yourself, our inner self, our greatest wise self. And

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Speaker 3: so my friends and I we did this for nothing

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Speaker 3: for about three and a half four years, talking to

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Speaker 3: our higher self. So we weren't trying to go outside

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Speaker 3: of ourselves. We're trying to tap into the wisest part

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Speaker 3: of ourselves. And that really taught me a whole lot

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Speaker 3: about self empowerment, how you really can get into your

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Speaker 3: subconscious unconscious and start communicating with it. And there is

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Speaker 3: a wisdom. There's a wisdom within ourselves. We all have it,

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Speaker 3: and to learn to tap that to bring it forth

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Speaker 3: in your life. It was a very powerful time, not

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Speaker 3: only because I was learning to empower myself with internal knowledge,

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Speaker 3: but also once I learned to tap into I call

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Speaker 3: it plugging into the awareness of your higher self. Once

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Speaker 3: I learned to do that, and my friends did too,

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Speaker 3: we started going further in explorations with consciousness in terms

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Speaker 3: of tapping into other sentient beings outside of ourselves. So

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Speaker 3: it was a really empowering time, and I teach people

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Speaker 3: to use this tool mostly for empowerment purposes.

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Speaker 2: Who are we tapping into when we use the weed

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Speaker 2: you board, Well.

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Speaker 3: I could be a whole slew of different things. I

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Speaker 3: mean I use it to talk to different consciousness of

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Speaker 3: different energies, So it could be the angelic kingdom, as

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Speaker 3: you know, I speak to the animal kingdom. I do

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Speaker 3: the higher self. As I mentioned, I also like to

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Speaker 3: speaking to spirits. And my favorite group of beings, and

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Speaker 3: we've spoken about this before, is talking to the group

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Speaker 3: I call just collectively the Guides, and it's a group

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Speaker 3: of beings who have never been born in physical body.

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Speaker 3: They are pure light, they don't have physical bodies, but

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Speaker 3: they are an extension of source wisdom as we are too.

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Speaker 3: But they never forgot it. They're they're connected to it,

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Speaker 3: and they understand that they're not separate from it, and

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Speaker 3: they bring forth wisdom of the ages. Beautiful information that

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Speaker 3: is that is pertinent to anybody's life, daily life, and

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Speaker 3: it could be used to help people just just have

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Speaker 3: a more well developed, fulfilling life, fun life.

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Speaker 2: Are they all trying to help us or hurt us?

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Speaker 3: Well, the ones I talked to are all helping us.

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Speaker 3: I talk about it in my books. You know, there's

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Speaker 3: a lot of different energies out there with different agendas.

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Speaker 3: When you start talking to consciousness, I'm not talking about

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Speaker 3: consciousness just in the realm of deceased people who have

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Speaker 3: transitioned to the afterlife. I'm talking about consciousness of other

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Speaker 3: beings that could be extraterrestrial, intradimensional, extra dimensional. Like I said,

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Speaker 3: ethereal beings, guides and jelly kingdom. You know, it's bars

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Speaker 3: you want to take your mind and expand it, you

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Speaker 3: can do that. It's just again, I don't reckon if

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Speaker 3: people go there right away until they've actually had a

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Speaker 3: chance to really get clear on their own filters of

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Speaker 3: how they view this tool and how they want to

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Speaker 3: use it to get the po positive results and to

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Speaker 3: get the types of messages I received that help in

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Speaker 3: people's personal lives. There's a level of getting to a

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Speaker 3: place where there's no fear at all, no fear at all,

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Speaker 3: and that you believe and you understand that there is wonderful, benign,

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Speaker 3: benevolent beings that just have nothing but our greatest good

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Speaker 2: Karen, if you go into the WEEDI board with negativity,

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Speaker 2: what's going to happen?

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Speaker 3: Well, you're going to get that right back. It's a

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Speaker 3: mirror the UISUA board. Channeling tapping into the realms is

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Speaker 3: just basically a mirror of what we bring to it.

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Speaker 3: It's a reflection of our own beliefs and systems, and

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Speaker 3: that is why we start getting negativity. That's why we

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Speaker 3: might get fear. A lot of people reach out to

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Speaker 3: me and say, well, you know, I want to use

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Speaker 3: this tool, but I'm afraid, and so the question and

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Speaker 3: the answer isn't use this tool. The question is what's

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Speaker 3: your fear based upon Let's let's talk about that first.

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Speaker 3: Let's understand that and see if there's a shift for that,

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Speaker 3: is there an opening for it. And if they can

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Speaker 3: find that opening, then yeah, try the tool. But if

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Speaker 3: they can't, no, it's not for them. It's not for them, and.

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Speaker 4: I know you're going to want some them after hearing this.

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Speaker 4: This is an amazing story.

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Speaker 1: We've got Stephen and Malachi Gregory in Nelson, New Zealand.

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Speaker 4: Now I understand that Malachi, who is eight almost nine

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Speaker 4: years old now, was suffering with not just one or

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, he was having trouble even holding a pencil to

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Speaker 6: right of TI's book.

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Speaker 5: Actually, that got me thinking about it. I'm not surprised.

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Speaker 1: It is an amazing immuno modulator and so I can

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Speaker 1: see that it would work.

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Speaker 4: And so at what point did you see that there

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Speaker 4: was actually improvement it's really going to work.

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Speaker 6: Well, look, we really started to notice it around twelve weeks.

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Speaker 6: You can see these things actually getting smaller and smaller

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Speaker 6: and then going down to with just a little red monks.

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Speaker 6: Whole things are gone and we're talking about what's you

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Speaker 6: know one that size for Wanner, I thought, no way.

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Speaker 5: That's gonna wow.

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Speaker 6: That's just been miraculous to see them get into a

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Speaker 4: Yes, how wonderful.

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Speaker 5: It's great to see. I'm so happy and.

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Speaker 4: Yes, confident, absolutely wonderful.

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Speaker 5: For instead of seen it that is blown away.

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Speaker 4: TI, this is awesome.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, this is awesome.

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Speaker 7: Another amazing story. Why we're talking about Carnivora. Call them

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Speaker 2: But negativity can come through the board, can it.

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Speaker 3: It doesn't come to the board, it comes because of

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Speaker 3: a person using the board. The bard is neutral, it's

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Speaker 3: yourself constellating magnetizing those negative interactions. Now it's so important

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Speaker 3: when we use this tool. So I want to talk

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Speaker 3: about you can mistake imagination, imagination or ego for spirit.

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Speaker 3: This is kind of we're talking about. Now, this is

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Speaker 3: where discernment is essential. Basically, not every message is external intelligence.

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Speaker 3: And I always tell people when they first start using

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Speaker 3: it as this is a southsayer. This is the answer,

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Speaker 3: I'm learning to use this tool. I'm gonna get a

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Speaker 3: it don't make sense. I'm gonna get things that sound intelligent,

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Speaker 3: After many miles on the plant chet, I'm talking many

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Speaker 3: miles on the planchet, you start to get coherent, logical

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Speaker 3: have prophecy or information to share with you in your life,

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Speaker 3: there's no way you would have known. And that's when

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Speaker 3: you know you're starting to connect with and turn inside yourself,

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Speaker 3: with your higher self to make the connection to consciousness

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Speaker 2: Have you ever been scared with the way you bored?

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Speaker 3: No, I haven't. I've not been scared, but no, no,

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Speaker 3: I haven't been. That wesul board is like again, it's

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Speaker 3: such a neutral device for me. It's just they're beautiful,

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Speaker 3: you know. I collect them. I have a lot of them,

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Speaker 3: and I think they're just pieces of artwork. Never been

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Speaker 3: scared of it. I am scared again of people. I've

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Speaker 3: been around people using this when I was younger and

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Speaker 3: seeing things I'm like, nah, nope, not for me. That's

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Speaker 3: I'm afraid of people, George, and not this unseen dimensions

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Speaker 3: and not a neutral device such as the.

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Speaker 2: So somebody's at a party with a Wiji board and

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Speaker 2: they're upbeating, they're happy, and they're having a good time generally,

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Speaker 2: what's going to come through?

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Speaker 3: Well, you know, you can be at a party and

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Speaker 3: still have the right vibe if you will. The right

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Speaker 3: attitude to use this tool is just when you start mixing,

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Speaker 3: you know, foolishness and imbibing and substances that alter your

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Speaker 3: what you're going to get. So I'm really careful about that.

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Speaker 3: it doesn't come out because already the the our gosh,

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Speaker 3: And I've had the guides come through and say, hey,

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Speaker 2: Would you do believe spirits come through the weed You board?

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Speaker 3: I believe spirits channel through me. And the Luisi board

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Speaker 2: If somebody else wanted to do the same, could they.

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Speaker 3: Oh. I teach people all the time, absolutely, and I've

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Speaker 2: Have you ever had anybody have a bad experience?

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Speaker 3: Again, I've had people tell me about bad experience that

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Speaker 3: I've heard your story as well from the you know,

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Speaker 2: Why does Hollywood play the role of the Weedi board evil?

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Speaker 3: Well, you know, fear sells, George, fear is great. Sure, yeah,

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Speaker 3: it's it's it's it's nice, it's pleasant. People want the

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Speaker 3: it's not. It doesn't have to be real like that,

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Speaker 3: it's not.

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Speaker 2: Are they still making new boards?

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Speaker 3: Oh gosh, yes, Oh, yeah, so Hasbro owns the rights

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Speaker 3: the board and have the right to settlement with the

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Speaker 3: name Wija on it. As you know, Weja is a

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Speaker 3: patent and trademark name and not all talking boards and

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Speaker 3: spirit boards or Weija.

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Speaker 1: Board the boards.

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Speaker 3: I'm sorry, I oh my gosh. So it goes back

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Speaker 3: when we first saw this tool called the talking board,

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Speaker 3: not the Wisia board, enter into the spiritualist movement, and

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Speaker 3: it started in Ohio. People were starting to take cutting

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Speaker 3: boards and tables and riding the alphabet and salutations and

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Speaker 3: numbers on these items and pointing to them using pointing

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Speaker 3: sticks and different apparatus until they finally married it with

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Speaker 3: the plant chet. But the wisure boards we know the

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Speaker 3: name Wija didn't come out until eighteen ninety and it

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Speaker 3: was patented and trademark in eighteen ninety one, and it

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Speaker 2: What are you scared the most of the Ouiji board

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Speaker 3: Hmmm, Well, I think there's a use for both. Obviously,

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Speaker 3: Definitely the Wija board. I love AI for a creative tool.

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Speaker 3: To assist. I'm not sure where it's going. We don't

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Speaker 3: know where it's going yet. I'm eager and hopeful, and

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Speaker 3: we'll see what we do. But I see AI as

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Speaker 3: also a mirror what we program into it, what we

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Speaker 3: work with it. Whether you're doing chat, GPT or GROCK

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Speaker 3: or something, it becomes reflection of what you're feeding into it.

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Speaker 3: Not unlike the wish aboard. What you feed into it

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Speaker 3: with your fears and your filters of how you see

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Speaker 2: What is the thing that concerns you the most about

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Speaker 3: The Weiji board is their fears?

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Speaker 2: Their personal fears.

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Speaker 3: Is their personal fears about this tool, or about the afterlife,

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Speaker 3: or about other dimensions, or fear of ghosts or spirits

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Speaker 3: or ethereal beings or guides. It's just the fear of

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Speaker 3: the unknown. Now, you know, if you have curiosity interest

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Speaker 3: in that's a whole nother story. Now that's all. That's

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Speaker 3: a whole nother conversation. What I find when I work

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Speaker 3: with people who have curiosity, we have great and better results.

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Speaker 3: So I'm really picky who I use the tool with. Nowadays,

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Speaker 3: I will sit down when I teach with almost everybody

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Speaker 3: very picky. I have to work with somebody that I

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Speaker 3: feel like we have that connection with Simpotico, with the

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Speaker 3: way we vibe about the Wision board and also how

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Speaker 2: Does it bother you when I tell you I don't

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Speaker 2: like the Weiji board whenever you hear that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, not at all. I think that's who you are,

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Speaker 3: and I respect that. I respect people who don't like

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Speaker 3: and I get it. You know, some people say, oh,

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Speaker 3: Oh people say, well, it's the doorway to demons, you know.

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Speaker 3: it goes kind of both ways. It's extreme, there's a

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Speaker 3: is something that's mysterious and on purpose. They don't put

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Speaker 3: system of the Great Mystery and Beyond to entice you

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Speaker 3: too to want to so you can see what you

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