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Speaker 1: Happy Monday. We have an amazing show for everybody today.

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Speaker 1: What do we have Crystal big show this morning. You

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Speaker 1: There's some other big stories breaking though, as well. Big

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Speaker 1: Governor Greg Abbott of Texas is working to partner man

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Speaker 1: situation and a huge internal Republican battle between Laura Lumer

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Speaker 1: with those leaked documents, which are quite extraordinary. Yes, we

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Speaker 1: our own reporting process over here at Breaking Points, and

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Speaker 1: this set of documents extraordinary set of documents, as I said,

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Speaker 1: Another one of the craziest documents inside of these, which

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Speaker 1: you know we've discussed, we didn't make a full graphic

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Speaker 1: for it was really just literally the headline of it.

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Speaker 1: Inside of their preference of their briefing is Ukrainian forces

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Speaker 1: in Bakmut almost encircled plans to send an elite unit

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Speaker 1: to stabilize catastrophic situation. They don't tell us about any

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Speaker 1: of this, none of it. They literally say they were

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Speaker 1: almost encircled by Russian forces and they had a single

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Speaker 1: tenuous supply road and when the military internally as we're

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Speaker 1: describing this as quote a catastrophic situation, well, you know,

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Speaker 1: I think that you can say that it's obviously a disaster.

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Speaker 1: Now it didn't, you know, the Russians didn't end up

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Speaker 1: winning in that particular instance. But overall throughout this what

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Speaker 1: you see are the precarity of Ukrainian defenses, both at

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Speaker 1: the ground level and in the air level, and the

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Speaker 1: Kia figures, but also the toll that has happened with Russia.

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Speaker 1: They know their inability to make any real gain so

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Speaker 1: far throughout their possible spring offensive, and also just the

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Speaker 1: significantly high Kia figure that comes through. It's a chaotic

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Speaker 1: situation on the ground there where we were being lied

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Speaker 1: to on almost all fronts, the NATO front, the Russian front,

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Speaker 1: and the Ukrainian front. I think it's important that all

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Speaker 1: of us have as much fulsome information into that as possible.

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Speaker 1: So we did our best to give everybody all of that.

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Speaker 1: And we're going to go to the second part here,

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Speaker 1: which we can pretty much exclusively bring to you. The

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Speaker 1: mainstream media has not been reporting this. One of them

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Speaker 1: is a slide included in a US intelligence assessment with

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Speaker 1: respect to how China is going to deal with the

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Speaker 1: Ukraine situation and the situation through which they may increase

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Speaker 1: the amount of aid to rush US. Let's go and

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Speaker 1: put this up there on the screen. This is basically

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Speaker 1: an internal US assessment of what of the US believes

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Speaker 1: China's red lines would be. So let me go ahead

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Speaker 1: and read all of this that we wrote here. So

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Speaker 1: the documents show that a highly classified US intelligence assessment

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Speaker 1: that Beijing is likely to use any at by Ukraine

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Speaker 1: deep inside of Russia to rhetorically attack NATO and may

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Speaker 1: influence their decision to provide lethal aid to Moscow. The

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Speaker 1: documents show that the US believes China would see any

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Speaker 1: Ukrainian attack on Moscow as evidence that Washington is directly

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Speaker 1: responsible for escalating the conflict and would further justify their

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Speaker 1: decision to provide lethal aid if they choose to do so. Now,

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Speaker 1: the reason why I think that this internal assessment is

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Speaker 1: so important, Crystal, even though it's been basically ignored for

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Speaker 1: some reason it seems by the media is that inside

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Speaker 1: of this you can see the direct red lines is

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Speaker 1: that Beijing has any Ukrainian attack on Moscow that uses

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Speaker 1: US or NATO members weapons, that's a red line for

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Speaker 1: directly responsible conflict. That would give them possible justification for

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Speaker 1: providing Russia with lethal aid any increase. And I'm looking

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Speaker 1: directly at the text from the slide itself of the

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Speaker 1: scale and the scope of material that the US is

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Speaker 1: providing them in terms of possible fighter jet and others

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Speaker 1: that would be a trigger as well. But really what

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Speaker 1: you see is that China is looking at this situation

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Speaker 1: washing the Ukrainians very closely, and that also any attack

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Speaker 1: on anything that Russian leaders see as a strategic attack

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Speaker 1: would also be a trigger for Beijing. So this is

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Speaker 1: one where the direct red lines that the US intelligence

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Speaker 1: community believes of what China's red lines in the conflict

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Speaker 1: are a highly significant piece of information that we're able

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Speaker 1: to bring to you guys exclusively. And we have also

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Speaker 1: a statement from the Department of Defense that we can

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Speaker 1: read to everybody that is just kind of global about

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Speaker 1: the actual response gold Crystal. This is go ahead and

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Speaker 1: put this up on the screen, guys. This is what

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Speaker 1: they've been sending to every newscount let I saw the

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Speaker 1: Wall Street Journal had the exact same comment here, but

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Speaker 1: we want to read it to you in full. They

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Speaker 1: say that Apartment of Defense continues to review and assess

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Speaker 1: the validity of the photograph documents that are circulating on

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Speaker 1: social media sites and that appear to contain sensitive and

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Speaker 1: highly classified material. An interagency effort has been stood up

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Speaker 1: focused on assessing the impact these photograph documents could have

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Speaker 1: on US national security and on our allies and partners.

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Speaker 1: Over the weekend, US officials have engaged with allies and

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Speaker 1: partners and have informed relevant congressional committees of jurisdiction about

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Speaker 1: the disclosure. The Department of Defense's highest priority is the

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Speaker 1: defense of our nation and our national security. We have

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Speaker 1: referred this matter to the Department of Justice, which has

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Speaker 1: opened a criminal investigation. We're going to get more in

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Speaker 1: a moment into the criminal investigation here, and also their

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Speaker 1: efforts to suppress any of these documents on social media.

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Speaker 1: But what jumps out right away here is they're not

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Speaker 1: actually denying the variety of the documents. In fact, in

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Speaker 1: a way they are somewhat confirming it because they say

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Speaker 1: that they're photograph documents that are circulating that appear to

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Speaker 1: contain sensitive and highly classified material, and they are continuing

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Speaker 1: to review and assess the validity of what they describe

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Speaker 1: as those photographed docums. So again, really highly significant. They

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Speaker 1: are not actually outright denying the accuracy of the information

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Speaker 1: contained in these documents. Yeah. So that was in response

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Speaker 1: not only to our question, but at the media's question.

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Speaker 1: I specifically listed all of the information that we were

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Speaker 1: able to report to everybody here, to the Department of Defense,

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Speaker 1: the White House, and everybody was involved. They were given

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Speaker 1: the full ability to deny it and to spin us

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Speaker 1: and to call us and tell us that it's not

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Speaker 1: true if they wanted. They took the opportunity not to

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Speaker 1: do so, and just to provide this global statement kind

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Speaker 1: of yea on what it is. So I think that

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Speaker 1: you can generally take away from that what you will.

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Speaker 1: We also had a quote from a Quincy Institute expert

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Speaker 1: that we reached out to in order to try and

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Speaker 1: give some context on these documents. That's right. So George Bbe,

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Speaker 1: who's the director of Grand Strategy at the Quincy Institute

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Speaker 1: for Responsible Staycraft, I asked him what he made of

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Speaker 1: the Chinese China piece here. Specifically, let's go and put

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Speaker 1: this first piece up on the screen first. He said,

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Speaker 1: these judgments seem quite reasonable. The proposition that Chinese age

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Speaker 1: to Russia will vary according to the severity of attacks

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Speaker 1: on Russia, and I would add on Beijing's assessment of

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Speaker 1: how close Russia might be to failure on the battlefield

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Speaker 1: strikes me as correct. He continues to put the next

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Speaker 1: slide up on the screen. The fact that this analysis

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Speaker 1: is focused on the potential impact of Ukrainian strikes on

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Speaker 1: China's aid decision suggests Washington is worried that Beijing could

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Speaker 1: intervene much more decisively to help Russia under some circumstances,

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Speaker 1: which in turn implies that the level of any Chinese

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Speaker 1: military aid has not yet reached alarming levels. And in

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Speaker 1: some ways, I thought that was maybe the most significant takeaway.

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Speaker 1: I've been trying to square these documents, these leaked documents,

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Speaker 1: with what has been reported in the press, and in

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Speaker 1: recent weeks we have seen a number of reports that

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Speaker 1: China is quote considering providing lethal aid to Russia and

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Speaker 1: has not decided what they're going to do on that matter.

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Speaker 1: What we didn't know is what sort of metrics China

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Speaker 1: was potentially using to determine whether or not they were

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Speaker 1: going to provide lethal further lethal aid or lethal ad

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Speaker 1: at all, because there's no evidence that they provided lethally

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Speaker 1: to this point whatsoever. So this gives us an insight

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Speaker 1: potentially into the pretty logical notion that hey, if Russia

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Speaker 1: looks like they're not doing too well in the battlefield,

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Speaker 1: and if Ukraine is striking within Russia, then it makes

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Speaker 1: it much more likely that China is going to fully

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Speaker 1: come to the table on Russia's side, which again could

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Speaker 1: really fundamentally change the dynamics of this conflict. That's why

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Speaker 1: I thought this was the most significant piece that we

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Speaker 1: were able to report to all of you exclusively, and

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Speaker 1: again thank you to our premium members for giving us

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Speaker 1: the confidence to do so. But the reason why is because,

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Speaker 1: as you said, Crystal, this would fundamentally change the balance

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Speaker 1: of power in the conflict itself, because then they would

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Speaker 1: have another nuclear arms superpower on their side providing them

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Speaker 1: with lethal weapons. But secondary, this shows us that the

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Speaker 1: risk of escalation not only lies in how Moscow will respond,

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Speaker 1: it's how Beijing will re spond as well, and the

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Speaker 1: increasing alliance between the two nations would endanger our position

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Speaker 1: not necessarily in Europe, but also possibly in East Asia

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Speaker 1: if they get you know, even more involved and intricate,

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Speaker 1: involved deeply inside of the conflict, providing Russia with the aid.

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Speaker 1: This also shows you the years long risks that continue

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Speaker 1: the longer that this goes on, where we would embroil

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Speaker 1: US possibly and not only NATO, you know, in some

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Speaker 1: sort of proper conflict with Russia, but that China is

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Speaker 1: not necessarily going to sit here on the sidelines. It's

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Speaker 1: clear here that the US believes that China does see

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Speaker 1: that they have some skin in the game in propping

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Speaker 1: up Russia and making sure that doesn't just go away,

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Speaker 1: and that if they saw a direct role of Washington

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Speaker 1: in some sort of attack on Moscow or on any

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Speaker 1: strategically important Russian leader or others, which is not outside

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Speaker 1: the Ukrainian realm of possibility what we already know in

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Speaker 1: their assassination campaign, that it very likely could trigger Beijing's

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Speaker 1: total insertion into the conflict and would abandon any piece. Yeah. So,

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Speaker 1: I mean, this is why we have paid a lot

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Speaker 1: of attention to the extracurricular activities. Let's say of Ukrainian

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Speaker 1: intelligence services with regard to you know, blowing up a

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Speaker 1: blogger in a cafe in Saint Petersburg, killing Dugan's daughter

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Speaker 1: as well, you know, both of which listen, they haven't

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Speaker 1: been fully confirmed, but it looks fairly likely what happened here.

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Speaker 1: Let's just say that's why we paid particular attention to

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Speaker 1: these things, because any sort of provocation of this nature

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Speaker 1: can really change the dynamics of the conflict and where

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Speaker 1: this is, where this is potentially heading. So it's incredibly,

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Speaker 1: incredibly significant here. And I also think it's telling that,

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Speaker 1: you know, the way that the reporting had done had

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Speaker 1: been done previously indicate okay, China's weighing their options, but

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Speaker 1: didn't indicate where the risks and the fault lines and

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Speaker 1: the red lines actually potentially lie. And that in some

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Speaker 1: ways is the most critical piece of information here that

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Speaker 1: you could possibly have in terms of gauging what our

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Speaker 1: own how we should involve ourselves, and what we should

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Speaker 1: be what sort of pressure we should be applying to

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Speaker 1: the Ukrainian side in terms of their actions as well. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so there you go. That's the story that we can

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Speaker 1: report to you guys exclusively. It's one that we spend

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Speaker 1: a lot of time on you know, trying to authenticate

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Speaker 1: and get people's you know, opinions, on sending comment to

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Speaker 1: the White House and dependenton and we tried our best

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Speaker 1: to handle it as responsibly as possible. And also thank

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Speaker 1: you again to the previous for giving us the confidence

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Speaker 1: to go forward with this, because there's a lot of

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Speaker 1: risks I don't think people understand, both legally but also

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Speaker 1: in terms of getting sued. There are the names of

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Speaker 1: all kinds of non public people in here, including high

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Speaker 1: you know, of Ukrainian officials or all others. That one

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Speaker 1: of the reasons that we thought a lot about was

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Speaker 1: the dossier and about how the publication of the dossier

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Speaker 1: led to a lot of lawsuits because it was unverified

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Speaker 1: allegations against very specific people that led to legal problems

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Speaker 1: and of course ignited a lot of Russia Gate and others.

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Speaker 1: So that's how we felt the best to handle this one,

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Speaker 1: and we're very happy to be able to give it

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Speaker 1: to all of you. Let's go to the next part here.

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Speaker 1: This is where we can focus on other areas of

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Speaker 1: intel within the leaked documents that involve so called Allied nations,

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Speaker 1: which are bonkers in their intelligence assessments, but have also

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Speaker 1: been reported by the mainstream media. So let's go ahead

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Speaker 1: and put the first one up there on the screen.

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Speaker 1: This has probably got to be one of the most

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Speaker 1: insane parts of it is that the documents show a

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Speaker 1: huge schism between the US and South Korea in terms

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Speaker 1: of supplying lethal aid to Ukraine. Now, the schism matters

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Speaker 1: for a couple of reasons. Number One, it shows us

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Speaker 1: that the US is asking South Korea for arms, and

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Speaker 1: the South Koreans, in their internal problem and negotiations with

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Speaker 1: the National Security Council discussions with the President, are saying,

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Speaker 1: we don't want to give these to Washington because we

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Speaker 1: don't think that Washington is going to be the end user.

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Speaker 1: We think that they're buying them on Ukraine's behalf, and

656
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Speaker 1: then they're just going to give them to Ukraine, and

657
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:02,960
Speaker 1: that violates our internal policy. But second, it shows us

658
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Speaker 1: that we basically have the phone tapped of the National

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Speaker 1: Security Advisor to South Korea. There are direct quotes people

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Speaker 1: of his exact lines and inquiries inside internal deliberations and

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00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:19,240
Speaker 1: also the internal thinking of the South Korean president who's

662
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:22,719
Speaker 1: trying to avoid phone calls with President Biden and with

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00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:25,880
Speaker 1: senior US officials because he doesn't want to be confronted

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Speaker 1: over why his government doesn't want to sell Washington the weapons.

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Speaker 1: So of course South Korea is a very close ally

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Speaker 1: of ours, but I thought it was important for US

667
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Speaker 1: to pull this out, Crystal, because what does this show

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Speaker 1: Not all, even our close allies, are not all with

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Speaker 1: us on this Ukraine thing. That actually shows you a

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00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:45,640
Speaker 1: very clear example of they're like, hey, we don't want

671
00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:48,800
Speaker 1: problems with Russia. We have our own policy, and DC

672
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:51,799
Speaker 1: is trying to force us into this conflict even though

673
00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:54,400
Speaker 1: we don't really want to be in here. It's really interesting,

674
00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:57,040
Speaker 1: and they were trying to actually avoid phone calls with

675
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Speaker 1: Biden because they were uncomfortable about Like They're like, I

676
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:01,719
Speaker 1: don't know what we're going to say or do here

677
00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:03,719
Speaker 1: because we don't really want to go along with what

678
00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:07,560
Speaker 1: we expect them to be pressuring us to do. You know, listen,

679
00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:10,600
Speaker 1: our allies are not going to be shocked at the

680
00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:12,520
Speaker 1: US is spying on them, right, They're not going to

681
00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:14,440
Speaker 1: be oh my gosh, how could you How do you like?

682
00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:18,000
Speaker 1: Everybody's realistic about the fact that everyone is trying to

683
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:20,480
Speaker 1: spy on everyone else. Especially when you're talking about the

684
00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:25,120
Speaker 1: United States, the global superpower, right. But the detail contained

685
00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:30,040
Speaker 1: here that they these this information was obtained through what's

686
00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:33,840
Speaker 1: called signal intelligence, so that means, like you said, tapping

687
00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:37,360
Speaker 1: phones basically versus human intelligence from show, Oh you have

688
00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:39,399
Speaker 1: an inside source and you you know, you find out

689
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:43,239
Speaker 1: that way. That is quite noteworthy and they are going

690
00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:46,319
Speaker 1: to be very unhappy about this. And also, you know, listen, again,

691
00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:48,640
Speaker 1: it's important to note these documents are a couple months old,

692
00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:53,759
Speaker 1: so anything that's contained, you know, in these documents, time

693
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:56,120
Speaker 1: has moved and things have shifted, So this is really

694
00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:59,839
Speaker 1: a snapshot of of a moment in time. However, at

695
00:36:59,880 --> 00:37:03,200
Speaker 1: the time, South Koreans really had not figured out how

696
00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:06,000
Speaker 1: they were going to deal with the prush those being

697
00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:08,520
Speaker 1: applied to the US and how it would violate their

698
00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:11,239
Speaker 1: own internal policy, and they're trying to come up with

699
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:15,960
Speaker 1: workarounds like maybe we're going to ship ammunition to Poland

700
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:18,160
Speaker 1: and then the US can get it from Poland, and

701
00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:19,759
Speaker 1: then what I'm really do with it, I guess we're

702
00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:22,239
Speaker 1: just going to like not really pay attention. But this

703
00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:26,120
Speaker 1: was an active, ongoing issue and source of tension within

704
00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:28,880
Speaker 1: the US. South Korean relationship, and dare I say, you know,

705
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:32,319
Speaker 1: the revelations about the particular type of spying activities were

706
00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:34,800
Speaker 1: engaged in with regard to one of our close allies.

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00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:36,719
Speaker 1: Here is going to be another source of tension in

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00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:39,239
Speaker 1: this relationship as well. At least some weapons did make

709
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:41,160
Speaker 1: it to Ukraine, because there's actually a slide that we're

710
00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:46,239
Speaker 1: in possession of crystal called rok Rok Delivery Timeline, which

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00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:49,440
Speaker 1: is basically Republic of Korea arms that were able to

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00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:52,440
Speaker 1: be sent to Ukraine. I also got from a military

713
00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:54,359
Speaker 1: analyst who was able to look at this and said

714
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Speaker 1: that this is going to give the Ukrainians some breathing

715
00:37:56,440 --> 00:37:59,759
Speaker 1: room in terms of air defense, but also in terms

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00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:02,399
Speaker 1: of ammunition and the total number of rounds that were

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00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:06,239
Speaker 1: eventually delivered to the Ukrainian military from his analysis of

718
00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:09,280
Speaker 1: the slide. However, something that he flagged to me about

719
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:12,880
Speaker 1: this slide about the South Korean weapons that eventually did

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00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:15,680
Speaker 1: make their way to Ukraine is that if the Ukrainians

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00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:17,440
Speaker 1: do have an offensive, they're going to blow through this

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00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:19,719
Speaker 1: at their current expenditure rate in one or two months.

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Speaker 1: So Ukraine is on the verse of some very very

724
00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:27,480
Speaker 1: serious supply problems. Now, let's get in which means which

725
00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:30,520
Speaker 1: means we are on the verge of some very significant

726
00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:33,400
Speaker 1: decisions about how we're going to move forward with regard

727
00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:37,480
Speaker 1: to are we going to increase our support and continue,

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00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:40,160
Speaker 1: you know, and basically the direction that we have. Are

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00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:42,680
Speaker 1: we going to use these revelations, as I know some

730
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:47,040
Speaker 1: Hawks will already be doing, to push for further escalation

731
00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:50,759
Speaker 1: things like fighter jets, or are we going to recognize that,

732
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:53,680
Speaker 1: you know, this is not going to necessarily continue in

733
00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:56,080
Speaker 1: the direction that has been continued, and try to do

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00:38:56,160 --> 00:38:59,120
Speaker 1: whatever we can to bring parties to the negotiating table

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Speaker 1: to end this conflict and be able to move forward.

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Speaker 1: So that's why this is, you know, it's incredibly important

737
00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:09,040
Speaker 1: to understand what the real picture of the war is,

738
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Speaker 1: at least as far as the Pentagon has discerned it.

739
00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:16,280
Speaker 1: So the second element here this also is totally insane.

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Speaker 1: Let's go ahead and put this up there on the

741
00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:19,719
Speaker 1: screen that we can report for all of you, which

742
00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:23,040
Speaker 1: has also been reported to by the mainstream media. According

743
00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:27,239
Speaker 1: to our own intelligence assessment, the chiefs of Mosad and

744
00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:33,720
Speaker 1: Israel's spy agencies we're planning a secret revolt against Netanyahu

745
00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:38,359
Speaker 1: and we're actually involved in trying to instigate some of

746
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:42,520
Speaker 1: the protests against the Israeli government. I mean, this is

747
00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:48,160
Speaker 1: one where it comes from an extremely highly classified assessment

748
00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:55,359
Speaker 1: from the government which basically demonstrates to everybody how how

749
00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:59,160
Speaker 1: much the consternation inside of Israel that there was over this,

750
00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:03,759
Speaker 1: and that they were basically advocating for not only the

751
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:09,480
Speaker 1: chiefs but the officials themselves to protests against the judicial reforms. Now,

752
00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:11,440
Speaker 1: some of this had come out, now not necessarily with

753
00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:16,320
Speaker 1: the Massad role, but about the chiefs of how the

754
00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:19,279
Speaker 1: police agents and others in Israel were upset about this.

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00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:21,319
Speaker 1: Some of that had been reported. But to see this

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00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:25,760
Speaker 1: with the direct intelligence assessment, this is from March first,

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00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:29,080
Speaker 1: twenty twenty three, that this document appears to have a

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00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:33,240
Speaker 1: source on which is based directly on a CIA intelligence

759
00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:37,279
Speaker 1: assessment where they have insight into how the Masad is

760
00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:40,120
Speaker 1: thinking and what they were doing to net Dunyahu is

761
00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:43,239
Speaker 1: just absolutely fascinating. To put it in US terms, just

762
00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:47,520
Speaker 1: to understand what a bombshell this is probably already within Israel.

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Speaker 1: Imagine that the CIA was caught fomenting direct protests against Trump,

764
00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:57,000
Speaker 1: or against Biden or against Obama right where they are

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00:40:57,200 --> 00:41:01,160
Speaker 1: actively working to so dessent against a specific policy to

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Speaker 1: state I mean this, I don't know we've covered it here,

767
00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:06,040
Speaker 1: but just as a reminder, this is all over these

768
00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:09,319
Speaker 1: proposed judicial reforms of the netna Who government that the

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00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:13,440
Speaker 1: Israeli public has really revolted against because it's it's effectively

770
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:16,040
Speaker 1: a bit major power grab from Netnaho, who himself is

771
00:41:16,080 --> 00:41:20,200
Speaker 1: under investigation from corruption. What we had seen publicly, actually,

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00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:23,799
Speaker 1: we really hadn't seen anything from Massad. We had seen

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Speaker 1: some consternation from within the military. Remember, all Israeli citizens,

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00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:33,319
Speaker 1: with some exceptions, including some religious exceptions, serve in the

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00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:37,480
Speaker 1: Israeli military, So it's really, you know, an important societal institution,

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00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:40,000
Speaker 1: perhaps even more so than the military here in the US.

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00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:43,120
Speaker 1: So there was some consternation within the military, but we

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00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:45,320
Speaker 1: hadn't heard anything from Massad. And let me read to

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00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:49,520
Speaker 1: you the way that the Washington Post characterizes. They say

780
00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:52,520
Speaker 1: the leak document, labeled top secret, says that in February,

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00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:56,080
Speaker 1: senior leaders of the Massad spy service. This is the

782
00:41:56,120 --> 00:42:01,080
Speaker 1: quote advocated for Massad officials and Israeli citizens to protest

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00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:04,640
Speaker 1: the new Israeli government's propose judicial reforms, including several explicit

784
00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:07,200
Speaker 1: calls to action that decried the Israeli government. According to

785
00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:10,520
Speaker 1: signals intelligence, again that means the phones were tapped or whatever.

786
00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:13,640
Speaker 1: If accurate, this is a dramatic change in procedure by

787
00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:16,960
Speaker 1: Masad's leadership and puts Israel an unprecedented territory. Said in

788
00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:19,440
Speaker 1: the Ton Sex, an israel scholar at the Bookings Institution,

789
00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:21,560
Speaker 1: It's a sign of just how far the net Yahoo

790
00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:24,560
Speaker 1: coalition has pushed Israeli society and how high the stakes are.

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00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:27,120
Speaker 1: I mean, that's one way to characterize it. But listen,

792
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:30,719
Speaker 1: you know, I'm very much opposed to the judicial reforms

793
00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:35,600
Speaker 1: that are you know, being pushed forward in Israel. But Masad,

794
00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:38,960
Speaker 1: like our own CIA, they are banned from operating on

795
00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:42,040
Speaker 1: domestic soil. This is supposed to be about, you know,

796
00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:48,600
Speaker 1: gleaning intelligence from foreign adversaries, not spying on domestic citizens

797
00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:53,359
Speaker 1: in Israel or fomenting protests against the current government. So

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00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:56,439
Speaker 1: this is this is really something, This is really something

799
00:42:56,440 --> 00:42:58,759
Speaker 1: that is the other one involving Israel is one of

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00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:02,640
Speaker 1: the is a crazy and it's called Israel pathways to

801
00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:06,640
Speaker 1: providing lethal aid to Ukraine and what they basically lay

802
00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:10,640
Speaker 1: out is scenarios where they can try and force Israel

803
00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:14,200
Speaker 1: to give more weapons to Ukraine to violate their established

804
00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:17,839
Speaker 1: neutrality policy. They have several ones which are laid out,

805
00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:21,840
Speaker 1: all which basically involve duping the Israelis into thinking that

806
00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:24,600
Speaker 1: they're going after Iran and then taking set weapons and

807
00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:28,439
Speaker 1: escalation to try and shipping them over to Ukraine. I mean, look,

808
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:32,520
Speaker 1: this is astounding to me because it's literally an op

809
00:43:32,680 --> 00:43:36,280
Speaker 1: inside of a PowerPoint where they're like, yeah, here's ways

810
00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:40,560
Speaker 1: that we can get tricking them manipulation weapons Ukraine. It

811
00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:43,440
Speaker 1: also just shows you the background. Look, we all know

812
00:43:43,640 --> 00:43:45,600
Speaker 1: that behind the scenes we were trying to get other

813
00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:48,520
Speaker 1: countries to aid Ukraine, but we are going so far

814
00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:51,760
Speaker 1: as to deceive South Korea on trying to sell weapons

815
00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:54,160
Speaker 1: to Ukraine, and they know it too. We are going

816
00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:57,759
Speaker 1: so far as to create scenarios. We're running ops on

817
00:43:58,080 --> 00:44:02,160
Speaker 1: Israel to provide make them for sell weapons to Ukraine.

818
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Speaker 1: This is the extent to which we are involved in

819
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:07,120
Speaker 1: trying to get the rest of the world to come

820
00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:10,240
Speaker 1: to Ukraine. We're effectively their State Department and their CIA,

821
00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:13,040
Speaker 1: it seems, you know, trying to Usually we try and

822
00:44:13,040 --> 00:44:16,360
Speaker 1: instigate things to help us. It's an interesting kind of

823
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:19,440
Speaker 1: flip of things. But yeah, just seeing this, you know,

824
00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:21,640
Speaker 1: with your own eyes and to look at it, it's

825
00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:24,680
Speaker 1: it's crazy, you know, watching this. They even identify the

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00:44:24,719 --> 00:44:27,719
Speaker 1: three missile systems which they want the Israelis to give them,

827
00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:29,680
Speaker 1: and then have scenarios to which they can try and

828
00:44:29,719 --> 00:44:32,279
Speaker 1: trick them into sending them over to Ukraine. There's one

829
00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:35,479
Speaker 1: other piece here that I wanted to know with regard to,

830
00:44:35,600 --> 00:44:39,040
Speaker 1: you know, our allies. France is actually out with a

831
00:44:39,120 --> 00:44:43,520
Speaker 1: denial that they have an active military presence in Ukraine,

832
00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:46,560
Speaker 1: because that is in fact suggested in these documents as well.

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Speaker 1: According to The Guardian, one slide suggests that a small

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Speaker 1: contingent of less than one hundred special operations personnel from

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Speaker 1: NATO members France, America, Britain and Latvia we're all right

836
00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:03,960
Speaker 1: active in Ukraine. Now, think of how explosive that is,

837
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:07,080
Speaker 1: the idea that, you know, something that we will not

838
00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:09,279
Speaker 1: be totally shocked by, but the notion that we could

839
00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:13,319
Speaker 1: potentially already have boots on the ground in Ukraine alongside

840
00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:17,920
Speaker 1: other NATO members, when you know, our public line from

841
00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:21,120
Speaker 1: the Biden administration is that we're just supporting Ukraine. They're

842
00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:23,879
Speaker 1: doing all the work. Now, we already knew that wasn't

843
00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:25,839
Speaker 1: really true, because we also provide them with a lot

844
00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:28,520
Speaker 1: of intelligence assessments to help them in terms of targeting

845
00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:32,120
Speaker 1: their strikes and strikes on Russian military leaders, et cetera,

846
00:45:32,320 --> 00:45:35,440
Speaker 1: something that we've covered here as well. But you know,

847
00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:38,880
Speaker 1: suggesting that there's actually a number of boots on the

848
00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:42,000
Speaker 1: ground NATO members from France, America, Britain and Latvia is

849
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:44,560
Speaker 1: also pretty extraordinary religiant profession here as well. So look,

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00:45:44,560 --> 00:45:46,640
Speaker 1: we're going to keep coming through. From what we could tell,

851
00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:49,440
Speaker 1: these are the most significant stories that we thought were important,

852
00:45:49,520 --> 00:45:51,440
Speaker 1: and we'll continue to track everything. If more of them

853
00:45:51,480 --> 00:45:53,759
Speaker 1: are out. By the way, if you do have more

854
00:45:54,040 --> 00:45:56,680
Speaker 1: leaked documents, please send them to me. We would love

855
00:45:56,719 --> 00:45:58,919
Speaker 1: to see them, so we will protect you. We will

856
00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:01,680
Speaker 1: do everything. As you can see here as well. Obviously

857
00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:03,719
Speaker 1: we go to Lenggs to not only I know this

858
00:46:03,840 --> 00:46:06,279
Speaker 1: was leaked anonymously on the internet as well, but you know,

859
00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:09,000
Speaker 1: even being possession of some of the original versions is

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00:46:09,200 --> 00:46:11,920
Speaker 1: actually veried pretty wild hard right now. Just yeah, and

861
00:46:11,960 --> 00:46:14,160
Speaker 1: it's pretty wild when you look at them like they're

862
00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:17,640
Speaker 1: the way they appear, it's like someone folded up the

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00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:20,440
Speaker 1: briefing and then brought it out of the room and

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00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:22,400
Speaker 1: then laid it down on like a pile of books,

865
00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:26,520
Speaker 1: right and photographed them. It's it's pretty wild to look at. Yeah.

866
00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:27,879
Speaker 1: And by the way, if you're the person who leaked,

867
00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:30,520
Speaker 1: I'm not going to give you any advice, but anyway,

868
00:46:30,719 --> 00:46:33,360
Speaker 1: good luck, good luck. We'll get to that. Protect my

869
00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:41,560
Speaker 1: own ass. Good luck. Part of the reason that we're

870
00:46:41,560 --> 00:46:43,080
Speaker 1: being have to be so careful here, let's go to

871
00:46:43,160 --> 00:46:46,200
Speaker 1: the next part. Here on the screen, the White House,

872
00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:50,000
Speaker 1: the Department of Justice, and the Pentagon are losing it

873
00:46:50,080 --> 00:46:52,480
Speaker 1: over these leaked documents. Go and put this up there

874
00:46:52,640 --> 00:46:55,319
Speaker 1: on the screen. US is currently, as we alluded to

875
00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:57,240
Speaker 1: in the statement that we were given by the Department

876
00:46:57,280 --> 00:47:00,959
Speaker 1: of Defense, has already launched a full scale investstigation into

877
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:03,720
Speaker 1: the release of these documents that were posted on social

878
00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:08,280
Speaker 1: media and on the internet. The documents and the basically

879
00:47:08,520 --> 00:47:12,719
Speaker 1: they purport to show a US military briefing given to

880
00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:15,920
Speaker 1: the Joint Staff. Now, the reason why they're zeroing in

881
00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:18,600
Speaker 1: on that is that the Office of the Joint Cheese

882
00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:21,800
Speaker 1: of Staff inside the Pentagon, it's not that big it's

883
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:23,960
Speaker 1: you know, I'm not going to say the exact amount

884
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:27,800
Speaker 1: of people from what I've heard, but it's small enough

885
00:47:28,080 --> 00:47:31,400
Speaker 1: that the FBI can run a full investigation into these people,

886
00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:34,359
Speaker 1: and whoever leaked these is going to have a very

887
00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:39,040
Speaker 1: serious time being able to avoid capture because they're compartmentalized

888
00:47:39,080 --> 00:47:41,200
Speaker 1: and designed, and many of the documents are stamped with

889
00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:45,680
Speaker 1: the markings and others. And also we're taken in such

890
00:47:45,680 --> 00:47:47,600
Speaker 1: a manner that the person who did it was not

891
00:47:47,719 --> 00:47:50,960
Speaker 1: very careful about obscuring some of his outside areas like

892
00:47:51,120 --> 00:47:55,640
Speaker 1: hunting magazine behind exactly he or she whoever did this

893
00:47:56,040 --> 00:48:00,319
Speaker 1: or they whoever did this, clearly did not take the

894
00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:04,279
Speaker 1: best precautions while doing so, and unfortunately it really could

895
00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:08,960
Speaker 1: lead to their almost immediate capture and arrest. But they

896
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:11,400
Speaker 1: will throw the book at this person. Absolutely going to

897
00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:13,399
Speaker 1: throw the book at this person. And I think what's

898
00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:15,920
Speaker 1: more significant, because of course the government's always going to

899
00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:19,200
Speaker 1: try and investigate and prosecute whoever leaks documents, is more so,

900
00:48:19,560 --> 00:48:21,960
Speaker 1: why is it so hard to find them? Why did

901
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:24,880
Speaker 1: we have to go to extraordinary links to actually find

902
00:48:25,040 --> 00:48:27,200
Speaker 1: the original copies not just photos of a few of

903
00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:30,440
Speaker 1: the slides, but the actual original ones that were posted. Well,

904
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:32,040
Speaker 1: it's because let's go and put this up there on

905
00:48:32,040 --> 00:48:35,160
Speaker 1: the screen. The Pentagon has been trying to get Twitter

906
00:48:35,320 --> 00:48:39,120
Speaker 1: to actually remove posts that contain the classified documents about

907
00:48:39,120 --> 00:48:42,480
Speaker 1: the war in Ukraine. I can speak specifically about one slide,

908
00:48:42,640 --> 00:48:46,440
Speaker 1: which is assessing the Ukrainian air defense capabilities that was

909
00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:50,640
Speaker 1: getting nuked on Twitter left and right. It was extremely

910
00:48:50,680 --> 00:48:53,640
Speaker 1: difficult to find in some cases even on Telegram. They

911
00:48:53,640 --> 00:48:56,960
Speaker 1: were being deleted. Why because the Russians don't want their

912
00:48:57,040 --> 00:49:00,920
Speaker 1: ki assessments that are being released on there, and it

913
00:49:01,040 --> 00:49:04,360
Speaker 1: left people basically crawling the dark web and other forubs

914
00:49:04,600 --> 00:49:07,520
Speaker 1: trying to find the fulsome set of the docs. The

915
00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:10,680
Speaker 1: reason why again gets to the fact that much of

916
00:49:10,680 --> 00:49:14,440
Speaker 1: this is so highly classified that it's humiliating for the Russians,

917
00:49:14,600 --> 00:49:18,239
Speaker 1: for the Ukrainians, for Americans, and for US allies who

918
00:49:18,280 --> 00:49:21,240
Speaker 1: clearly we are tapping the phones of the South Koreans,

919
00:49:21,480 --> 00:49:24,120
Speaker 1: that we have direct insight into what's happening in the

920
00:49:24,160 --> 00:49:27,520
Speaker 1: Israeli cabinet, into what the Masade is doing spying on

921
00:49:27,560 --> 00:49:31,239
Speaker 1: our closest friends and allies, apparently, and that we are

922
00:49:31,320 --> 00:49:34,840
Speaker 1: able to distribute all of this into the joint staff

923
00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:37,000
Speaker 1: and then have it all come out publicly. So I

924
00:49:37,080 --> 00:49:39,800
Speaker 1: believe that this is probably the most significant piece of it,

925
00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:41,799
Speaker 1: and it actually gets to part of the reason why

926
00:49:42,080 --> 00:49:44,560
Speaker 1: we also have to be so sensitive. We want to

927
00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:48,480
Speaker 1: report all of this information and we don't necessarily want

928
00:49:48,480 --> 00:49:50,799
Speaker 1: to be We don't want to be censored for it either, right,

929
00:49:51,080 --> 00:49:53,000
Speaker 1: And that's one of the ways where we have to

930
00:49:53,320 --> 00:49:56,680
Speaker 1: work within this system as well, where you don't realize

931
00:49:56,719 --> 00:50:00,000
Speaker 1: how unfree the internet really is until we're doing something

932
00:50:00,200 --> 00:50:01,960
Speaker 1: like this and you're like, oh, they can nuke you,

933
00:50:02,120 --> 00:50:03,960
Speaker 1: they can nuke your whole account, they can report you

934
00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:06,160
Speaker 1: to the FBI and all they could ruin your life,

935
00:50:06,200 --> 00:50:09,480
Speaker 1: admire you in legal fees for reporting the truth. That's

936
00:50:09,480 --> 00:50:11,720
Speaker 1: all this person did. This person gave us the truth,

937
00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:15,360
Speaker 1: and frankly, they did us a great service. One hundred

938
00:50:15,360 --> 00:50:18,480
Speaker 1: percent agree. Yeah, they are going to It appears they're

939
00:50:18,520 --> 00:50:21,120
Speaker 1: going in great lengths to get this taken down wherever

940
00:50:21,160 --> 00:50:25,640
Speaker 1: they can on the Internet, and obviously criminal investigation already opened.

941
00:50:26,400 --> 00:50:29,960
Speaker 1: I think you know, of everyone that this is embarrassing for,

942
00:50:30,239 --> 00:50:34,560
Speaker 1: is definitely most embarrassing for the Pentagon because the fact

943
00:50:34,560 --> 00:50:37,120
Speaker 1: that you have this amount I mean You're talking about

944
00:50:37,120 --> 00:50:41,920
Speaker 1: like one hundred documents coming out here, this level of

945
00:50:42,160 --> 00:50:46,919
Speaker 1: highly highly classified information which can only be accessed by

946
00:50:46,960 --> 00:50:49,879
Speaker 1: a very select number of people, and this is being

947
00:50:49,920 --> 00:50:53,719
Speaker 1: posted on a discord server, you know, months ago. By

948
00:50:53,760 --> 00:50:57,399
Speaker 1: the way, Yeah, this is This is humiliating for them,

949
00:50:57,760 --> 00:51:02,719
Speaker 1: no doubt about it. And the information that is contained

950
00:51:02,840 --> 00:51:05,720
Speaker 1: paints a very different picture of where this war stands

951
00:51:05,719 --> 00:51:07,640
Speaker 1: and where this war could be going, and our own

952
00:51:07,719 --> 00:51:13,760
Speaker 1: efforts and engagement therein. It paints a very machiavellian picture

953
00:51:13,840 --> 00:51:18,360
Speaker 1: of our relationship with our purported allies and our approach

954
00:51:18,400 --> 00:51:21,239
Speaker 1: to them with regard to pressuring them over their participation

955
00:51:21,480 --> 00:51:23,799
Speaker 1: in this war, effort not to mention the links we're

956
00:51:23,840 --> 00:51:26,360
Speaker 1: going to to understand what's going on behind closed doors

957
00:51:26,640 --> 00:51:29,200
Speaker 1: with those allies. So I don't think you can possibly

958
00:51:29,239 --> 00:51:33,640
Speaker 1: overstate how embarrassing this is for our own government and

959
00:51:33,719 --> 00:51:36,479
Speaker 1: for our own intelligence agency. It also bears some time

960
00:51:36,560 --> 00:51:39,520
Speaker 1: spending it like where do these come from? Okay? So,

961
00:51:39,840 --> 00:51:42,160
Speaker 1: from the best I can tell and from what I've

962
00:51:42,160 --> 00:51:45,360
Speaker 1: looked at Bellingcat, which I know is an organization that

963
00:51:45,560 --> 00:51:47,880
Speaker 1: has long been on the side of the State Department

964
00:51:47,920 --> 00:51:51,160
Speaker 1: and all that, But they did an investigation, at least

965
00:51:51,160 --> 00:51:52,759
Speaker 1: on this one that I've been able to see that

966
00:51:52,800 --> 00:51:55,880
Speaker 1: others were able to verify about the original source of

967
00:51:55,920 --> 00:52:01,600
Speaker 1: the docs. They came from Minecraft discord around a Filipino

968
00:52:01,760 --> 00:52:06,480
Speaker 1: YouTube celebrity. They then went from there to four Chan

969
00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:09,799
Speaker 1: before then appearing on Telegram and Twitter. So that's like

970
00:52:09,880 --> 00:52:13,799
Speaker 1: the journey from Minecraft discord server, like my nine year

971
00:52:13,840 --> 00:52:15,920
Speaker 1: old could have been looking at it. Here's another issue

972
00:52:16,040 --> 00:52:18,680
Speaker 1: about why this person screwed up is they posted in

973
00:52:18,760 --> 00:52:21,759
Speaker 1: a discord originally a place where there's not that many

974
00:52:21,800 --> 00:52:24,960
Speaker 1: people inside of the discord, and so that discord has

975
00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:27,040
Speaker 1: since been nerved and the docks were taken down. This

976
00:52:27,200 --> 00:52:29,000
Speaker 1: part of the reason why it's so difficult to find

977
00:52:29,000 --> 00:52:32,359
Speaker 1: the originals now. Then they were made over to four Chan.

978
00:52:32,440 --> 00:52:35,360
Speaker 1: But even on four Chan they're working very hard others

979
00:52:35,400 --> 00:52:37,319
Speaker 1: to delete them. It's been it's been difficult to find

980
00:52:37,320 --> 00:52:39,800
Speaker 1: again the full set before then making their way to Telegram,

981
00:52:39,880 --> 00:52:44,480
Speaker 1: Twitter and to other media organizations. So, yeah, whoever this is,

982
00:52:44,840 --> 00:52:48,759
Speaker 1: it's pretty interesting. Clearly they played Minecraft, maybe yeah, or

983
00:52:48,800 --> 00:52:50,759
Speaker 1: maybe they do I don't know. Yeah, I mean, it's

984
00:52:50,800 --> 00:52:53,680
Speaker 1: one of those where the reason why don't you know? Initially,

985
00:52:53,719 --> 00:52:55,640
Speaker 1: the response from the Pentagon and others, was like, oh,

986
00:52:55,680 --> 00:52:59,000
Speaker 1: this is a Russian disinformation op. Is wouldn't they just

987
00:52:59,080 --> 00:53:01,719
Speaker 1: released I mean the way that they did like Gusifer

988
00:53:01,840 --> 00:53:04,120
Speaker 1: for example, with some of the Hillary docks or with

989
00:53:04,239 --> 00:53:06,920
Speaker 1: through it Wiki leaks and others, is they just released

990
00:53:06,960 --> 00:53:10,000
Speaker 1: it publicly through a much more well known organization where

991
00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:13,440
Speaker 1: they directly contacted these kind of like surfaced and bubbled

992
00:53:13,520 --> 00:53:16,439
Speaker 1: up their way through the Internet before they were then

993
00:53:16,600 --> 00:53:19,200
Speaker 1: realized by people like US and others, you know, other

994
00:53:19,200 --> 00:53:21,960
Speaker 1: people the mainstream media that was going through them, and

995
00:53:22,040 --> 00:53:25,040
Speaker 1: so I just it just seems to be one of those,

996
00:53:25,200 --> 00:53:28,040
Speaker 1: like an actual leaker did this. It wasn't some sort

997
00:53:28,080 --> 00:53:30,359
Speaker 1: of op to try and do that. I mean, at

998
00:53:30,400 --> 00:53:32,360
Speaker 1: the same time, who knows, you know, maybe it's possible.

999
00:53:32,400 --> 00:53:35,480
Speaker 1: This is impossible deniability, They can use anonymity and launder

1000
00:53:35,480 --> 00:53:37,960
Speaker 1: it through several sources, so we can only speculate as

1001
00:53:37,960 --> 00:53:40,800
Speaker 1: see what happened. Yeah exactly. I mean, like I said before,

1002
00:53:40,880 --> 00:53:43,120
Speaker 1: I really try to ask myself, like, what's the potential

1003
00:53:43,160 --> 00:53:46,000
Speaker 1: we're getting played here by the Russians, by the US,

1004
00:53:46,160 --> 00:53:49,960
Speaker 1: by the Ukrainians, And the fact that there is information

1005
00:53:50,040 --> 00:53:53,080
Speaker 1: here that is embarrassing to everyone to me, is an

1006
00:53:53,120 --> 00:53:56,440
Speaker 1: indication that a lot of the information may be accurate,

1007
00:53:56,480 --> 00:53:59,040
Speaker 1: and that it is a genuine leak and not an

1008
00:53:59,080 --> 00:54:02,760
Speaker 1: intentional leak, which of course the US government does all

1009
00:54:03,000 --> 00:54:07,160
Speaker 1: the time, you know, provides information to their favorite sources

1010
00:54:07,200 --> 00:54:09,320
Speaker 1: over the New York Times, the Washington Posts or whatever

1011
00:54:09,760 --> 00:54:11,839
Speaker 1: to shape the story, and they the way they find

1012
00:54:11,880 --> 00:54:14,200
Speaker 1: to be most beneficial. I mean, that happens every day

1013
00:54:14,200 --> 00:54:17,520
Speaker 1: of the week here in Washington. So the fact that

1014
00:54:17,560 --> 00:54:20,920
Speaker 1: you had so much embarrassing content here for the US

1015
00:54:20,960 --> 00:54:25,080
Speaker 1: in particular, to me, was an indicator on the side

1016
00:54:25,120 --> 00:54:27,520
Speaker 1: that this is a genuine leak. But it's really important

1017
00:54:27,520 --> 00:54:30,120
Speaker 1: to say, like, we can't know for one hundred percent certain,

1018
00:54:30,160 --> 00:54:32,200
Speaker 1: which is why we're trying to give you every caveat

1019
00:54:32,280 --> 00:54:35,320
Speaker 1: and the best understanding we possibly can have of these documents.

1020
00:54:35,719 --> 00:54:39,480
Speaker 1: The Ukrainian is interesting because the Pentagon is basically not

1021
00:54:39,560 --> 00:54:42,640
Speaker 1: really denying that this accurate, that this appears to contain

1022
00:54:42,719 --> 00:54:45,839
Speaker 1: highly classified info. Their whole approach is more like, we're

1023
00:54:45,840 --> 00:54:47,359
Speaker 1: going to find whoever the hell did this, and we're

1024
00:54:47,360 --> 00:54:49,040
Speaker 1: going to bring him to justice. We're going to take

1025
00:54:49,040 --> 00:54:52,040
Speaker 1: this down off the Internet because this is damaging information

1026
00:54:52,600 --> 00:54:55,600
Speaker 1: that's now They haven't like actually confirmed it. They're saying

1027
00:54:55,600 --> 00:54:59,000
Speaker 1: they're going through the information to see what might be accurate,

1028
00:54:59,040 --> 00:55:00,919
Speaker 1: what might be false, and what the impact is going

1029
00:55:00,960 --> 00:55:04,120
Speaker 1: to be. But you know, they have ways of waiving

1030
00:55:04,200 --> 00:55:07,480
Speaker 1: reporters off of information that they truly think is bullshit.

1031
00:55:07,880 --> 00:55:10,600
Speaker 1: So far, the only piece that has been flagged is

1032
00:55:10,640 --> 00:55:14,120
Speaker 1: that casualty number on the Russian side, which was altered

1033
00:55:14,200 --> 00:55:16,680
Speaker 1: after the fact, after I think these moved from the

1034
00:55:16,719 --> 00:55:20,239
Speaker 1: original Minecraft discord and from four Chan when it was

1035
00:55:20,280 --> 00:55:23,399
Speaker 1: on the telegram channels is when that was ultimately altered. Yeah,

1036
00:55:23,400 --> 00:55:25,720
Speaker 1: and again, we sent all of this to the Pentagon

1037
00:55:25,760 --> 00:55:27,800
Speaker 1: and we're like, look, here's what we're planning on reporting,

1038
00:55:27,880 --> 00:55:29,680
Speaker 1: like and here's the way it works. Sometimes, you know,

1039
00:55:29,719 --> 00:55:31,520
Speaker 1: somebody will leave them into you and you'll send it

1040
00:55:31,520 --> 00:55:33,200
Speaker 1: to them and they'll call you and they're like, look,

1041
00:55:33,200 --> 00:55:35,120
Speaker 1: we're not officially going to deny this, like but this

1042
00:55:35,160 --> 00:55:37,680
Speaker 1: is bullshit, and yeah, you shouldn't report this, and blah

1043
00:55:37,760 --> 00:55:39,719
Speaker 1: blah blah. But by the way, sometimes they are lying

1044
00:55:39,719 --> 00:55:41,319
Speaker 1: about the fact that it is bullshit. Yeah, this one

1045
00:55:41,320 --> 00:55:43,160
Speaker 1: they didn't even try. They just waited yea, and then

1046
00:55:43,239 --> 00:55:45,279
Speaker 1: they were like, hey, here's a statement that we're giving

1047
00:55:45,280 --> 00:55:49,360
Speaker 1: to everybody. Yeah, the Ukrainians. So the US is basically like, listen,

1048
00:55:49,640 --> 00:55:52,839
Speaker 1: they're not denying it, right, which you can take that

1049
00:55:52,880 --> 00:55:55,160
Speaker 1: for what you will. The Ukrainians have taken more of

1050
00:55:55,360 --> 00:56:00,080
Speaker 1: like all the hallmarks of Russian disinformation route here, the

1051
00:56:00,080 --> 00:56:04,640
Speaker 1: the spokesman for Ukraine's Military Intelligence Directorate said on Ukrainian

1052
00:56:04,719 --> 00:56:07,560
Speaker 1: TV it is very important to remember that in recent decades,

1053
00:56:07,560 --> 00:56:10,600
Speaker 1: the Russian Special Service's most successful operations have been taking

1054
00:56:10,640 --> 00:56:14,160
Speaker 1: place in photoshop. From a preliminary analysis of these materials,

1055
00:56:14,239 --> 00:56:17,080
Speaker 1: we see false, distortive figures on losses on both sides,

1056
00:56:17,200 --> 00:56:20,040
Speaker 1: with part of the information collected from open sources. So

1057
00:56:20,400 --> 00:56:24,759
Speaker 1: they're using that one alteration which has been flagged by

1058
00:56:24,760 --> 00:56:27,400
Speaker 1: the mainstream press, which we talked about here multiple times,

1059
00:56:27,600 --> 00:56:30,719
Speaker 1: to basically cast out on the entirety of the documents

1060
00:56:31,160 --> 00:56:35,640
Speaker 1: in a way that again, look, it reminds me of

1061
00:56:35,760 --> 00:56:37,479
Speaker 1: when you had the letter come out about the hunter

1062
00:56:37,520 --> 00:56:40,440
Speaker 1: Biden laptop, and they're like all the hallmarks of Russian disinformation,

1063
00:56:40,880 --> 00:56:47,000
Speaker 1: but without actually pointing out any emails that were inaccurate. Now, personally,

1064
00:56:47,200 --> 00:56:50,200
Speaker 1: I think if there was other information that was clearly

1065
00:56:50,239 --> 00:56:53,520
Speaker 1: inaccurate here, they would be not just telling us on

1066
00:56:53,560 --> 00:56:55,640
Speaker 1: background or telling the New York Times on background and

1067
00:56:55,719 --> 00:56:57,799
Speaker 1: waving them off. It would be out with a full

1068
00:56:57,840 --> 00:57:01,160
Speaker 1: statement saying this is bullshit. We found these errors. Here's

1069
00:57:01,200 --> 00:57:04,520
Speaker 1: the truth, and that cast out on the entirety of

1070
00:57:04,600 --> 00:57:07,360
Speaker 1: everything that's in these documents. You shouldn't report them whatsoever

1071
00:57:07,960 --> 00:57:10,359
Speaker 1: that hasn't happened, So make up that which It's kind

1072
00:57:10,360 --> 00:57:12,080
Speaker 1: of like the Hunter Biden laptop thing. They're like, well,

1073
00:57:12,080 --> 00:57:13,920
Speaker 1: it has the hallmark sedition information. You're like, yeah, but

1074
00:57:14,000 --> 00:57:15,680
Speaker 1: is it fake or not. They're like, well, you know,

1075
00:57:15,760 --> 00:57:18,880
Speaker 1: it has all the hallmarks, so it's real. Like tell

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Speaker 1: me one email that was not true, like one photo too.

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00:57:23,240 --> 00:57:25,360
Speaker 1: They're like, well, parts of it could be wrong, Like, well,

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Speaker 1: which one? Which one is wrong? You have the original?

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Speaker 1: Tell us which one? And then they're like, well, we're

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00:57:30,160 --> 00:57:33,480
Speaker 1: still assessing. We're still assessed. Yeah, so every single one

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00:57:33,520 --> 00:57:36,240
Speaker 1: is real, got it? Okay? Yeah, so you know that's

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00:57:36,240 --> 00:57:39,320
Speaker 1: another one. Clearly the media is handwringing over this, like, well,

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Speaker 1: you got to report it in a way that doesn't

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00:57:41,080 --> 00:57:43,640
Speaker 1: hurt Ukraine and all this. Listen, we have a responsibility

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00:57:43,840 --> 00:57:46,800
Speaker 1: any piece of info that is newsworthy or interesting in

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00:57:46,840 --> 00:57:50,000
Speaker 1: any way that needs to come out and whether it's

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00:57:50,120 --> 00:57:53,080
Speaker 1: good for the US, bad, good for Ukraine, bad for Ukraine,

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00:57:53,200 --> 00:57:57,080
Speaker 1: et cetera. They're also this was I mean, listen, it's

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00:57:57,080 --> 00:57:59,320
Speaker 1: a comment section, so I don't read into it too much,

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00:57:59,360 --> 00:58:02,200
Speaker 1: but Michael Tracy was flagging. There was a real backlash

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00:58:02,200 --> 00:58:04,520
Speaker 1: in the New York Times comment session. They're reporting on

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00:58:04,600 --> 00:58:08,960
Speaker 1: this because they're basically their readers have been primed to say,

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00:58:09,200 --> 00:58:12,760
Speaker 1: effectively like, how could you help the Russians and you know,

1094
00:58:12,880 --> 00:58:17,160
Speaker 1: engage in this like disinformation campaign, et cetera, et cetera,

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00:58:17,560 --> 00:58:19,920
Speaker 1: which is a sad commentary on the way that the

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00:58:19,920 --> 00:58:24,600
Speaker 1: American people have been trained to think about journalism and

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00:58:24,680 --> 00:58:28,080
Speaker 1: the purpose that journalism is supposed to serve, which is

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00:58:28,160 --> 00:58:30,720
Speaker 1: to inform the public of, you know, the truth and

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Speaker 1: reality of what is actually happening. But you have some

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00:58:33,880 --> 00:58:36,320
Speaker 1: segment of the public, and frankly, I think it's a

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00:58:36,400 --> 00:58:38,360
Speaker 1: large segment of the public that they're like, no, we

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00:58:38,400 --> 00:58:39,880
Speaker 1: want to be lied to. We don't want to know

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00:58:39,920 --> 00:58:42,040
Speaker 1: the truth, we want to be lied to. It's it's

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00:58:42,160 --> 00:58:45,400
Speaker 1: very very unfortunate. So, yep, the witch hunt continues, and

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Speaker 1: I can guarantee you whoever this is, they're going after them.

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Speaker 1: They're going to throw the book at them. And in

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Speaker 1: terms of social media censorship, we'll see how this video

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00:58:53,320 --> 00:58:56,320
Speaker 1: on videos that we posted did this morning, and we'll

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00:58:56,320 --> 00:58:59,440
Speaker 1: see how Twitter and all these other companies continue to

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Speaker 1: handle it, because they are extraordinary amounts of pressure right

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00:59:02,320 --> 00:59:05,680
Speaker 1: now on all social media companies to ban all of

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00:59:05,720 --> 00:59:08,480
Speaker 1: these documents to prevent people like us and really like

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00:59:08,600 --> 00:59:11,640
Speaker 1: you from looking at it, which is, you know, it's disgusting.

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00:59:11,720 --> 00:59:13,280
Speaker 1: It really should be. It shouldn't even be a question.

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00:59:13,360 --> 00:59:15,439
Speaker 1: It shouldn't be a question in any of our minds

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00:59:15,480 --> 00:59:17,360
Speaker 1: that were able to publish this. And yet, you know,

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00:59:17,400 --> 00:59:20,200
Speaker 1: that's the culture of fear that these big sensors have

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00:59:20,400 --> 00:59:22,440
Speaker 1: instilled in people who are just trying to bring people

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Speaker 1: the truth. Yeah, it is what it is. And the

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Speaker 1: next phase to look for is the way that they

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00:59:26,680 --> 00:59:30,320
Speaker 1: spin this to justify hawkish war aims, which is what

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00:59:30,360 --> 00:59:33,080
Speaker 1: they you know, typically do, So we'll be watching closely

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Speaker 1: for that. That's right, all right? So big in berglio,

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Speaker 1: is that how you say that? Between thumb stack and Twitter,

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Speaker 1: a lot going on here. So users on Twitter started

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00:59:45,160 --> 00:59:49,160
Speaker 1: noticing that you could no longer share substack links. It

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00:59:49,320 --> 00:59:53,440
Speaker 1: was treating everything with regard to substack very strangely in

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Speaker 1: a way, hearkening back to the early elon Twitter days

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00:59:56,880 --> 00:59:58,880
Speaker 1: when they wouldn't let you share any like mast it

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00:59:58,960 --> 01:00:02,240
Speaker 1: on links and other links out of the platform, which

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01:00:02,280 --> 01:00:04,960
Speaker 1: results in a huge backlash and they ended up reversing

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Speaker 1: the policy. Okay, so substack getting similar treatment here, and

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01:00:09,360 --> 01:00:13,480
Speaker 1: not incidentally, right after they launched a sort of Twitter

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01:00:13,520 --> 01:00:16,560
Speaker 1: competitor of their own within the substack platform, which is

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Speaker 1: called Notes. So let me go and put this up

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01:00:18,880 --> 01:00:21,960
Speaker 1: on the screen. This is some of what users were noticing.

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Speaker 1: So first of all, if you would search for the

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01:00:24,240 --> 01:00:28,960
Speaker 1: word substack, Twitter would return things for the search newsletter.

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01:00:29,120 --> 01:00:32,640
Speaker 1: So there's like a hard coded search manipulation that was

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01:00:32,720 --> 01:00:36,520
Speaker 1: going on here to try to disappear any actual substack

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01:00:36,640 --> 01:00:40,560
Speaker 1: results that people might be searching for. You also have

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01:00:41,480 --> 01:00:46,880
Speaker 1: unsafe link warnings for any substack links. A newsletter is

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01:00:46,920 --> 01:00:49,920
Speaker 1: what Zane Tefeki says here is drowning and free speech

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01:00:50,000 --> 01:00:54,800
Speaker 1: is her characterization. And then you also had search results

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01:00:55,000 --> 01:01:00,680
Speaker 1: for Matt Tayebe. Twitter files also not return arning any

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01:01:01,560 --> 01:01:03,960
Speaker 1: results whatsoever. And I'll show you that more of that

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01:01:04,080 --> 01:01:07,840
Speaker 1: in a moment. So clearly Twitter deciding they were going

1148
01:01:07,880 --> 01:01:11,040
Speaker 1: to try to nuke this new nascent competitor to them

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01:01:11,680 --> 01:01:15,440
Speaker 1: being crafted over at substack called Notes. So this has

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Speaker 1: huge implications for everybody who is a writer over at substack.

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01:01:18,720 --> 01:01:20,400
Speaker 1: I mean, Twitter is one of the primary ways that

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01:01:20,440 --> 01:01:23,440
Speaker 1: substack authors promote their work and grow their following so

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Speaker 1: that they can do the independent journalism that they're doing

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01:01:25,760 --> 01:01:29,200
Speaker 1: over on substack. And there's also a great irony here

1155
01:01:29,280 --> 01:01:32,680
Speaker 1: because while when Elon purchased Twitter, he claimed that this

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01:01:32,800 --> 01:01:34,800
Speaker 1: was all about, you know, his commitment to free speech.

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Speaker 1: Substack has really walked the walk in that regard and

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Speaker 1: full you know, full disclosure. I have a substack over

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Speaker 1: there with Kyle for Crystal, Kyle and friends, so I

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Speaker 1: am a user of the platfor. I also tested out

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Speaker 1: Notes this week and it seems like it's a sort

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01:01:47,280 --> 01:01:52,760
Speaker 1: of like well crafted service there. But substack has really

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Speaker 1: lived up to the supposed values of free speech. They

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Speaker 1: have not engaged in censorship. There's a wide range of

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Speaker 1: ideological views, everything from you know, some of the top

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01:02:01,640 --> 01:02:04,880
Speaker 1: creators over there are resistance liberals. You've got never trumpers,

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01:02:04,920 --> 01:02:07,080
Speaker 1: You've got hard right folks, you've got far left folks,

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01:02:07,080 --> 01:02:11,400
Speaker 1: and everything in between hosted on substack censorship free. So

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Speaker 1: there is a great irony to the supposed free speech

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Speaker 1: worder Elon Musk censoring any ability for these substack writers

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Speaker 1: to be able to promote their work over on Twitter.

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Speaker 1: So one of the people who obviously's impacted by this

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Speaker 1: is journalists. Matt Taimi, fresh off his showdown with medi

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Speaker 1: Hassan over on MSNBC, he posted this on Twitter, quote

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Speaker 1: of all things, I learned earlier today that substack links

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Speaker 1: were being blocked on this platform. When I asked why,

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Speaker 1: I was told it's a dispute over the new substack

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Speaker 1: notes platform. Since sharing links to my articles is a

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Speaker 1: primary reason I come to this platform, I was alarmed

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Speaker 1: and asked what was going on. I was given the

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01:02:52,960 --> 01:02:56,880
Speaker 1: option of posting articles on Twitter instead. I'm obviously staying

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Speaker 1: at substack and we'll be moving to substack notes next week. Okay,

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01:03:01,000 --> 01:03:04,360
Speaker 1: so Tybee says, I found out I can't share substack

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01:03:04,400 --> 01:03:07,800
Speaker 1: links on Twitter. I'm going to transition over to using

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01:03:07,880 --> 01:03:11,840
Speaker 1: substack and notes more and Twitter less as a result

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Speaker 1: of this. Next piece, Elon unfollows what media characterizes here

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01:03:17,840 --> 01:03:21,640
Speaker 1: as Twitter files hero Matt Tyee after reporter ditches the platform,

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01:03:21,880 --> 01:03:26,040
Speaker 1: which is pretty extraordinary Soger, because you know, Tybee is

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Speaker 1: the most prominent journalist who was involved in Twitter files.

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Speaker 1: He really was defending Elon quite you know, or at

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01:03:32,960 --> 01:03:36,360
Speaker 1: least refusing to criticize him in his interactions with Mehdi

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Speaker 1: Hassan on MSNBC, and then hours later is being snubbed

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Speaker 1: by Elon and effectively like forced off the platform because

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01:03:45,000 --> 01:03:48,040
Speaker 1: they're blocking any sharing of substack links. Ye, pretty crazy.

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Speaker 1: What is it vindig? I mean, name vindicates, you know what,

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01:03:51,520 --> 01:03:53,720
Speaker 1: Tayebe and Barry Wise and all of them. It said.

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Speaker 1: It's like there's like, look, we're not doing press for

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01:03:55,880 --> 01:03:57,960
Speaker 1: the guy. They're like we're not. They're like, we did

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Speaker 1: the reporting. You know. Tyv was like he didn't want

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Speaker 1: to criticize him in that Mehdi Hassen interview, but he

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01:04:03,200 --> 01:04:05,240
Speaker 1: also was willing to say like screw you. I'm not

1202
01:04:05,280 --> 01:04:07,000
Speaker 1: going to stay here if you're going to go after

1203
01:04:07,040 --> 01:04:09,720
Speaker 1: the company that's backed me from the very beginning. So

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01:04:09,760 --> 01:04:11,920
Speaker 1: I think he showed his independence, you know, at the

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Speaker 1: very least. I do think it's totally crazy that the

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Speaker 1: substack was and I tried it myself in terms of

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Speaker 1: hard coded where you're unable to look for it all

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Speaker 1: over the Nascent notes notification. You know, confident companies don't

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Speaker 1: ban their competitors, like, yes, Like a company that's confident

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Speaker 1: in its product is not going to ban a Nascent

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Speaker 1: user base, which is the notes feature. Okay, as I

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Speaker 1: understand it was more used was trying to be used

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Speaker 1: for internal subject like to promote other substacks for people

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Speaker 1: who are already inside the community. I didn't and does

1215
01:04:43,000 --> 01:04:47,360
Speaker 1: not look like it's marketed as a like actual competitor Twitter.

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01:04:47,400 --> 01:04:48,960
Speaker 1: What do you think I mean, listen, I'm going to

1217
01:04:49,040 --> 01:04:51,240
Speaker 1: be real. I okay, I think I got I got

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Speaker 1: an email as a substack creator about notes. Did I

1219
01:04:53,720 --> 01:04:55,880
Speaker 1: read that email? Note? I would not have known notes

1220
01:04:55,920 --> 01:04:58,920
Speaker 1: existed same were it not for Elon making it very

1221
01:04:58,920 --> 01:05:02,320
Speaker 1: clear that notes exists. I mean, it's an ultimate streisand effect.

1222
01:05:02,480 --> 01:05:05,600
Speaker 1: So that's number one, number two right now? Notes exist

1223
01:05:05,720 --> 01:05:10,160
Speaker 1: in like a beta format where substack writers only basically

1224
01:05:10,400 --> 01:05:12,320
Speaker 1: can use it, you know, for the sort of like

1225
01:05:12,400 --> 01:05:15,440
Speaker 1: trial opening testing period. And so I jumped on there

1226
01:05:15,480 --> 01:05:17,480
Speaker 1: to see what it looks like in terms of you know,

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01:05:17,520 --> 01:05:19,640
Speaker 1: my own like personal is this going to be something

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01:05:19,640 --> 01:05:21,440
Speaker 1: that's useful in my life and also in order to

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01:05:21,480 --> 01:05:25,120
Speaker 1: further understand the story. The functionality is very much like Twitter.

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01:05:25,280 --> 01:05:27,280
Speaker 1: You know, it looks very much like Okay, you can

1231
01:05:27,440 --> 01:05:29,400
Speaker 1: you can like it, you can reply to it, you

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01:05:29,440 --> 01:05:32,280
Speaker 1: can retweet it or renoed or whatever they're calling it

1233
01:05:32,320 --> 01:05:34,800
Speaker 1: over there. So it looks very much like Twitter. But

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Speaker 1: given the fact that it is hosted on it's on

1235
01:05:39,080 --> 01:05:42,480
Speaker 1: the substack platform, you know, it is naturally going to

1236
01:05:42,520 --> 01:05:47,040
Speaker 1: be a place where substack authors and a journalist and

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01:05:47,080 --> 01:05:52,200
Speaker 1: substack readers predominantly congregate in order to share, like a

1238
01:05:52,240 --> 01:05:55,000
Speaker 1: lot of independent journalism that's going on on substack. Now,

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01:05:55,000 --> 01:05:57,680
Speaker 1: they're not banning links from Twitter or links from any

1240
01:05:57,720 --> 01:06:01,520
Speaker 1: other platform or any other journalistic out but that seems

1241
01:06:01,560 --> 01:06:04,880
Speaker 1: like the natural niche and ecosystem, and the thing that

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01:06:04,920 --> 01:06:07,560
Speaker 1: it has that's kind of its value add in terms

1243
01:06:07,560 --> 01:06:10,840
Speaker 1: of substack journalists is they have some neat tools for

1244
01:06:10,920 --> 01:06:12,720
Speaker 1: making it very easy to share. You know, if you

1245
01:06:12,720 --> 01:06:15,200
Speaker 1: have a quote from your newsletter that you send out,

1246
01:06:15,240 --> 01:06:18,400
Speaker 1: you can very easily post that in the notes platform

1247
01:06:18,440 --> 01:06:21,200
Speaker 1: in a way that looks really beautiful and hope hopefully

1248
01:06:21,240 --> 01:06:23,520
Speaker 1: for you know, independent journalists there sort of like draws

1249
01:06:23,520 --> 01:06:27,640
Speaker 1: people over, Is this like a major genuine threat to Twitter.

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01:06:28,200 --> 01:06:32,840
Speaker 1: I really wouldn't be skeptical of that, because Twitter at

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01:06:32,840 --> 01:06:35,800
Speaker 1: its best, I mean, we live in political Twitter is

1252
01:06:35,800 --> 01:06:39,400
Speaker 1: a very you know, particular niche world on Twitter. But

1253
01:06:39,440 --> 01:06:42,160
Speaker 1: Twitter is also like sports and fandom and all sorts

1254
01:06:42,200 --> 01:06:45,960
Speaker 1: of other things. It seems unlikely that in fact, you know,

1255
01:06:46,080 --> 01:06:50,160
Speaker 1: crypto is also was growing on Twitter, porn was growing

1256
01:06:50,200 --> 01:06:53,520
Speaker 1: on Twitter. Like, there's a whole other, like range of

1257
01:06:53,520 --> 01:06:56,200
Speaker 1: ecosystems that are out there that it seems unlikely to

1258
01:06:56,280 --> 01:07:00,000
Speaker 1: me that substack would be able to supplant. So yeah,

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01:07:00,080 --> 01:07:02,040
Speaker 1: I mean, he really shot himself in the foot here though,

1260
01:07:02,080 --> 01:07:05,680
Speaker 1: by drawing massively more attention and losing someone who has

1261
01:07:05,760 --> 01:07:08,520
Speaker 1: been you know, sort of a key ally for him

1262
01:07:08,680 --> 01:07:11,840
Speaker 1: in terms of Matt Taibi, who has his own very

1263
01:07:11,920 --> 01:07:15,320
Speaker 1: large and significant following and fan base, who is now like,

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01:07:15,400 --> 01:07:18,840
Speaker 1: all right, I'm basically done with this platform. I'm committed

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01:07:18,840 --> 01:07:23,680
Speaker 1: to Substack. Another example of someone who has been very

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01:07:23,720 --> 01:07:26,840
Speaker 1: open to the Elon musk Twitter takeover, very receptive to

1267
01:07:27,000 --> 01:07:29,600
Speaker 1: the idea that Elon might actually be committed to genuine

1268
01:07:29,640 --> 01:07:31,920
Speaker 1: free speech values, which personally, I think that ship sailed

1269
01:07:31,960 --> 01:07:35,680
Speaker 1: long ago. Brett Weinstein actually posted this. Let's go ahad

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Speaker 1: and put this next piece up on the screen. He said, Elon,

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Speaker 1: you know the thing where the left eats its own

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Speaker 1: And this is Elon's reply, which I'll get to in

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01:07:41,000 --> 01:07:43,320
Speaker 1: a moment. We mustn't let that happen to the merging

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01:07:43,360 --> 01:07:45,840
Speaker 1: Western Values Free speech coalition, many of us have backed

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Speaker 1: your Twitter play and taken substantial heat for it, are

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01:07:48,280 --> 01:07:51,320
Speaker 1: thrown by this move. With regards to Substack, the public

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01:07:51,360 --> 01:07:55,560
Speaker 1: Square is not a monopoly. So here is Elon's response

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01:07:56,000 --> 01:07:59,480
Speaker 1: to Brett. He says, number one, substinct substack links were

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01:07:59,520 --> 01:08:03,479
Speaker 1: never blocked. That's just not true. Matt's statement is false too.

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Speaker 1: Substack was trying to download a massive portion of the

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01:08:06,920 --> 01:08:10,360
Speaker 1: Twitter database to bootstrap their Twitter clone, so their IP

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Speaker 1: address is obviously untrusted. And number three turns out Matt

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Speaker 1: is Slash was an employee of substack, also not true,

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Speaker 1: not true. The last piece here just to show you

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01:08:23,920 --> 01:08:26,080
Speaker 1: again some of the hard coding that was going on

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01:08:26,120 --> 01:08:28,800
Speaker 1: at Twitter. An attempt to like crush substack notes but

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01:08:28,880 --> 01:08:32,760
Speaker 1: probably actually incidentally help them ends for some direct retaliation

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01:08:32,880 --> 01:08:36,120
Speaker 1: at Matt. Tayebe put this up on the screen. So

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01:08:36,479 --> 01:08:39,519
Speaker 1: initially Matt had indicated he thought his Twitter files tweets

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01:08:39,520 --> 01:08:41,880
Speaker 1: had just been deleted from the platform. It doesn't look

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01:08:41,960 --> 01:08:44,080
Speaker 1: like they were, but it does look like Twitter is

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01:08:44,120 --> 01:08:48,280
Speaker 1: blocking users for searching for any and all of his posts,

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01:08:48,320 --> 01:08:51,599
Speaker 1: including his Twitter files tweets. So if you search for

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01:08:51,800 --> 01:08:54,280
Speaker 1: m Tayib, which is his username on Twitter, you get

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01:08:54,320 --> 01:08:57,680
Speaker 1: this like chicken no results for Matt taiebe screen. If

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01:08:57,680 --> 01:09:00,040
Speaker 1: you search for Matt Tayib Twitter files you get the

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01:09:00,080 --> 01:09:03,840
Speaker 1: same thing. So basically they have decided to hardcode in

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01:09:04,320 --> 01:09:08,439
Speaker 1: a disappearance of natt Tybee on the platform. Yeah, it's

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01:09:08,520 --> 01:09:12,240
Speaker 1: totally nuts. I mean, I just Patty. It's just all capricious.

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01:09:12,400 --> 01:09:14,720
Speaker 1: I don't know another way to describe it. I don't

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01:09:14,720 --> 01:09:16,920
Speaker 1: think anybody comes out of this looking good. And I

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01:09:16,960 --> 01:09:19,320
Speaker 1: don't know really know why Elon on a personal level

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01:09:19,320 --> 01:09:22,240
Speaker 1: would burn like many of his people who were not

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01:09:22,280 --> 01:09:24,680
Speaker 1: only not necessarily willing to speak out on behalf of

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01:09:24,720 --> 01:09:27,040
Speaker 1: his purchase. But we're like, hey, listen, this is important,

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01:09:27,080 --> 01:09:29,640
Speaker 1: it's important to get this information out there. It's like

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01:09:29,760 --> 01:09:33,360
Speaker 1: you're basically shooting your friends. Substack ideologically was already kind

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01:09:33,360 --> 01:09:36,120
Speaker 1: of aligned with Elon, and I just think this comes

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01:09:36,120 --> 01:09:38,560
Speaker 1: from a real position of weakness. At the end of

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Speaker 1: the day, he has already admitted that the company is

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01:09:40,200 --> 01:09:42,040
Speaker 1: worth half of what he bought it for, actually less

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01:09:42,040 --> 01:09:43,920
Speaker 1: than half of what he bought it for, valued it

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01:09:44,000 --> 01:09:46,600
Speaker 1: only at twenty billion. He's hurting in terms of his

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Speaker 1: advertising dollars. And what weak companies do is they ban

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01:09:50,479 --> 01:09:55,000
Speaker 1: you know, Nascent, you know, possible competitors. Yeah like this,

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01:09:55,120 --> 01:09:57,599
Speaker 1: rather than being like, welcome, you know where we're looking

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01:09:57,640 --> 01:10:00,760
Speaker 1: forward to seeing how this all goes out. Listen, you know,

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01:10:01,200 --> 01:10:03,960
Speaker 1: I try to evaluate all the Elon decisions on their faces,

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01:10:04,000 --> 01:10:05,479
Speaker 1: whether they're good or bad, And I just say this

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Speaker 1: one is really it's just stupid. It is stupid. It

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01:10:09,080 --> 01:10:12,479
Speaker 1: is stupid. It's obviously counter to the supposed free speech

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01:10:12,520 --> 01:10:15,280
Speaker 1: principles that he claimed to purchase the company for. I

1323
01:10:15,320 --> 01:10:19,040
Speaker 1: mean again, Substack has truly walked the walk where with

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01:10:19,120 --> 01:10:22,400
Speaker 1: regard to no censorship and freedom of speech and for that,

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01:10:22,680 --> 01:10:24,080
Speaker 1: and they've taken a lot of heat for it. I mean,

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01:10:24,080 --> 01:10:26,840
Speaker 1: I don't know if you remember this like news media

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01:10:26,960 --> 01:10:29,720
Speaker 1: moment where suddenly Substack came under attack and they were

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01:10:29,720 --> 01:10:31,320
Speaker 1: trying to frame it as like just like a bunch

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01:10:31,320 --> 01:10:34,639
Speaker 1: of fringe conspiracy theorist, which couldn't be further from the truth. Again,

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01:10:34,680 --> 01:10:38,120
Speaker 1: I think one of the or maybe the top creator

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01:10:38,320 --> 01:10:40,880
Speaker 1: on all of substack is like a resistance liberal. I mean,

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01:10:40,920 --> 01:10:44,640
Speaker 1: it really is genuinely ideologically diverse, which is part of

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01:10:44,640 --> 01:10:48,400
Speaker 1: what has made the substack ecosystem really thrive in ways

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01:10:48,439 --> 01:10:50,679
Speaker 1: that some of the other free speech platforms have ended

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01:10:50,760 --> 01:10:54,280
Speaker 1: up being just like ideologically niche. And you know, I

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01:10:54,600 --> 01:10:57,280
Speaker 1: think there's a benefit to having a wide range of

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01:10:57,360 --> 01:10:59,400
Speaker 1: views all hosted on this platform in a way that

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01:10:59,439 --> 01:11:01,840
Speaker 1: you can like them and find this different work. So

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01:11:02,479 --> 01:11:04,920
Speaker 1: there's there's that piece. But then to your point, Sager,

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01:11:05,000 --> 01:11:08,559
Speaker 1: I'm just like the business decision of this. Yeah, it's

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01:11:08,600 --> 01:11:10,840
Speaker 1: your platform. You can do whatever you bought it, you

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01:11:10,880 --> 01:11:13,040
Speaker 1: can do whatever you want with it. But there's a

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01:11:13,120 --> 01:11:16,880
Speaker 1: reason why other social media platforms have not gone in

1344
01:11:16,920 --> 01:11:22,120
Speaker 1: this direction because they actually benefit from having, you know,

1345
01:11:22,280 --> 01:11:26,320
Speaker 1: their platform be a nexus for journalism and sharing from

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01:11:26,400 --> 01:11:30,040
Speaker 1: all over the Internet. That makes the experience on that

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01:11:30,320 --> 01:11:34,120
Speaker 1: platform Twitter or Facebook or whatever it is much more

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01:11:34,320 --> 01:11:38,320
Speaker 1: rich and much more valuable and keeps users there. You know,

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01:11:38,400 --> 01:11:42,000
Speaker 1: elon decision by decision is making Twitter more and more

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01:11:42,520 --> 01:11:45,400
Speaker 1: useful and more and more Yeah, it's making it more

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01:11:45,439 --> 01:11:47,720
Speaker 1: and more useless. Exactly. That's what I've meant to say,

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01:11:48,439 --> 01:11:50,920
Speaker 1: because it's you know, I just find myself, not because

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01:11:50,920 --> 01:11:53,240
Speaker 1: I have any like ideological vendetta. I just don't find

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01:11:53,280 --> 01:11:55,800
Speaker 1: it as useful as I used to, so I use

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01:11:55,840 --> 01:11:58,120
Speaker 1: it less, I post less. It feels sort of like

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01:11:58,200 --> 01:12:02,040
Speaker 1: moribund and dying because because of each of these incremental steps.

1357
01:12:02,040 --> 01:12:03,719
Speaker 1: So I think this is like a case in point

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01:12:03,840 --> 01:12:09,439
Speaker 1: of capriciousness, pettiness, burning bridges of people who you know,

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01:12:09,520 --> 01:12:11,960
Speaker 1: were really open to the project that you were engaged in,

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01:12:12,080 --> 01:12:15,240
Speaker 1: and just really bad business decisions. Ultimately, I think it's

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01:12:15,280 --> 01:12:17,880
Speaker 1: absolutely crazy, you know, just looking at all this, I

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01:12:17,880 --> 01:12:19,800
Speaker 1: think is a very dumb business decision, and I think

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01:12:19,840 --> 01:12:22,479
Speaker 1: Twitter is much worse off for losing Matt Tayibe, especially

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01:12:22,520 --> 01:12:25,920
Speaker 1: after Tayib did such a good job reporting the Twitter files.

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01:12:26,080 --> 01:12:28,120
Speaker 1: That's another really stupid thing. If you think about the

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01:12:28,120 --> 01:12:30,120
Speaker 1: Twitter files were great for Twitter, and they were great

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01:12:30,160 --> 01:12:33,040
Speaker 1: for substack because what happened He published them on Twitter

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01:12:33,080 --> 01:12:35,080
Speaker 1: and had links to a substack. Yeah, people could go

1369
01:12:35,160 --> 01:12:37,200
Speaker 1: read more if they want to, if they like his work,

1370
01:12:37,320 --> 01:12:41,160
Speaker 1: and they produced a ton of engagement and game for Twitter.

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01:12:41,320 --> 01:12:43,600
Speaker 1: The Internet does not have to be zero sum. This

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01:12:43,680 --> 01:12:46,120
Speaker 1: is like stupid cable news thinking and something that we

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01:12:46,200 --> 01:12:49,680
Speaker 1: have rejected from day one of First On Rising and

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01:12:49,760 --> 01:12:52,760
Speaker 1: here at breaking points. Notice, you know we have partners

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01:12:52,840 --> 01:12:56,639
Speaker 1: for our show. We actively encourage people, our own customers

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01:12:56,720 --> 01:12:59,519
Speaker 1: technically to go subscribe to their stuff. Yes, like please

1377
01:12:59,560 --> 01:13:03,000
Speaker 1: go go to this other platform, to another subscription product,

1378
01:13:03,120 --> 01:13:05,080
Speaker 1: go and give money to them, because we know it's

1379
01:13:05,120 --> 01:13:07,800
Speaker 1: not zero sign. You know that if we do something good,

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01:13:08,040 --> 01:13:10,280
Speaker 1: they'll they'll have our backs at that time. Yeah, because

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01:13:10,479 --> 01:13:14,439
Speaker 1: number one, we believe in that as of value decision, right,

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01:13:14,479 --> 01:13:17,800
Speaker 1: and number two it's a good business decision too. So yes,

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01:13:18,000 --> 01:13:20,080
Speaker 1: it's not as there is sum game. This is stupid

1384
01:13:20,120 --> 01:13:22,240
Speaker 1: and it's making Twitter worse And the words of Michael

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01:13:22,240 --> 01:13:29,360
Speaker 1: Scott Win Win Win, there you go, all right. There

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01:13:29,400 --> 01:13:33,559
Speaker 1: is quite a situation unfolding in Texas. So a man

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Speaker 1: named Daniel Perry, who's an Army sergeant and part time

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01:13:36,360 --> 01:13:40,200
Speaker 1: Uber driver, shot and killed a Black Lives Matter protester

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Speaker 1: named Garrett Foster, who at the time was legally open

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01:13:43,400 --> 01:13:47,320
Speaker 1: carrying an AK forty seven. So jury finds Daniel Perry

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01:13:47,439 --> 01:13:52,200
Speaker 1: guilty of murder in this incident. Sparked a huge backlash,

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01:13:52,320 --> 01:13:55,960
Speaker 1: and very quickly Governor Greg Abbott and let's put this

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01:13:56,040 --> 01:13:58,200
Speaker 1: up on the screen, says he is working as swiftly

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Speaker 1: as Texas law allows regarding the pardon of Sergeant Perry.

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01:14:02,640 --> 01:14:04,840
Speaker 1: So there's a process that has to unfold here. It

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Speaker 1: has to be go through the Board of Pardons, who

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01:14:07,120 --> 01:14:09,200
Speaker 1: are all appointees of Greg Abbott. So it's not like

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01:14:09,240 --> 01:14:12,160
Speaker 1: the outcome here is in doubt and then Abbott signs

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01:14:12,200 --> 01:14:16,280
Speaker 1: off on a party a pardon here ultimately, So that's

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Speaker 1: sort of the top line of this story. I want

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01:14:17,800 --> 01:14:20,040
Speaker 1: to take you through all the details as best we

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01:14:20,120 --> 01:14:23,320
Speaker 1: know them because it is like a very fraught situation.

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01:14:24,000 --> 01:14:27,080
Speaker 1: And to give you the TLDR, it's sort of like

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01:14:27,280 --> 01:14:32,479
Speaker 1: when Texas stand your ground laws intersect with Texas open

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01:14:32,520 --> 01:14:38,000
Speaker 1: carry laws, and you know, the situation was a human catastrophe,

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01:14:38,040 --> 01:14:41,120
Speaker 1: and you know, ultimately a protester being shot and killed. Okay,

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Speaker 1: So let's put this up on the screen. This is

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01:14:43,520 --> 01:14:47,160
Speaker 1: from ABC News. The headline here is Army sergeant guilty

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Speaker 1: in fatal Texas shooting of protester. Let me read you

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01:14:50,840 --> 01:14:53,560
Speaker 1: a little bit of this. A Texas jury has convicted

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01:14:54,000 --> 01:14:56,920
Speaker 1: a US Army sergeant of murder for fatally shooting an

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Speaker 1: armed protester in twenty twenty during nationwide protest against least

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01:15:00,360 --> 01:15:04,200
Speaker 1: violence and racial injustice. Sergeant Daniel Perry was working for

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01:15:04,320 --> 01:15:07,040
Speaker 1: UBER in July twenty twenty when he turned onto a

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01:15:07,080 --> 01:15:10,960
Speaker 1: street and into a large crowd of demonstrators in downtown Austin.

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Speaker 1: In video that was stream live on Facebook, a car

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01:15:13,600 --> 01:15:17,000
Speaker 1: can be heard honking before several shots ring out and

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01:15:17,120 --> 01:15:20,559
Speaker 1: protesters began screaming and scattering. The twenty eight year old protester,

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01:15:20,600 --> 01:15:23,040
Speaker 1: Garrett Foster, was taken to the hospital, where he was

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01:15:23,120 --> 01:15:26,960
Speaker 1: later pronounced dead. Perry, who faces life in prison, now

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01:15:27,080 --> 01:15:30,880
Speaker 1: awaits sentencing. The jury in order to come to this conclusion,

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01:15:30,920 --> 01:15:34,559
Speaker 1: they deliberated for two days. During closing arguments, Perry's attorney

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Speaker 1: said he had no choice but to shoot Foster as

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Speaker 1: he approached Perry's car with an AK forty seven rifle.

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Speaker 1: That's according to the Austin American Statesman. Prosecutor said Perry

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Speaker 1: could have driven away before firing his revolver. Witnessed is

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Speaker 1: testified that Foster, that's the protester who was killed, who

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Speaker 1: was open carrying in AK forty seven never raised his

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Speaker 1: rifle at Perry. Perry, who did not testify, told police

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Speaker 1: that Foster did. Let me give you a little bit

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01:16:01,760 --> 01:16:04,960
Speaker 1: more detail from what we know here, so to sketch

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Speaker 1: the scene for you. This is back during the Black

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Speaker 1: Lives Matter protests. Austin, like many cities across the country,

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01:16:10,800 --> 01:16:13,120
Speaker 1: was a site of some you know, major and significant

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01:16:13,120 --> 01:16:15,720
Speaker 1: protest disrupting and closing down streets and all of those

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01:16:15,720 --> 01:16:20,320
Speaker 1: sorts of things. So Sergeant Daniel Perry is driving for

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01:16:20,439 --> 01:16:24,040
Speaker 1: Uber and he runs actually a red light in order

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Speaker 1: to drive into this crowd of protesters. Now he faced

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01:16:27,960 --> 01:16:31,360
Speaker 1: two charges here. One was for shooting and killing the

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Speaker 1: protester Foster, and the other was actually for hitting a

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01:16:36,240 --> 01:16:38,320
Speaker 1: protester with his card. I think the charge there was

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01:16:38,360 --> 01:16:40,920
Speaker 1: like aggravated assault. He was actually let off of that

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Speaker 1: charge because the protesters had say had said he'd like

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01:16:43,240 --> 01:16:46,200
Speaker 1: accelerated into the crowd. The evidenced support that, so they

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01:16:46,280 --> 01:16:50,200
Speaker 1: let him off of that charge. Now, Perry claimed that

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01:16:50,280 --> 01:16:53,320
Speaker 1: this was self defense, that he saw this man, which

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01:16:53,439 --> 01:16:57,200
Speaker 1: you know, like I can understand feeling under threat from

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01:16:57,240 --> 01:17:01,959
Speaker 1: someone who's approaching you, who has an AK forty seven. However,

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01:17:02,640 --> 01:17:06,640
Speaker 1: part of what complicated, his defense is that if you

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01:17:06,760 --> 01:17:09,640
Speaker 1: are seen as the person who is inciting the conflict,

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01:17:10,080 --> 01:17:12,679
Speaker 1: you don't get to claim self defense. Then, even in Texas,

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01:17:12,680 --> 01:17:15,719
Speaker 1: you don't understand your ground laws. Let me go ahead

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01:17:15,720 --> 01:17:17,439
Speaker 1: and put some of the other details up on the screen.

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01:17:17,479 --> 01:17:20,519
Speaker 1: Here from local news reporting by the Austin American Statesman.

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01:17:21,439 --> 01:17:23,760
Speaker 1: So again he They indicate he ran a red light

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01:17:23,800 --> 01:17:26,479
Speaker 1: at an intersection, drove into a Black Lives Matter march

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01:17:26,520 --> 01:17:30,679
Speaker 1: before stopping. Perry's defense team argued he acted in self defense,

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01:17:30,720 --> 01:17:35,599
Speaker 1: but prosecutors contended Perry instigated what happened. In addition, and

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01:17:35,640 --> 01:17:40,000
Speaker 1: this has got a lot of attention online, prosecutors highlighted

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01:17:40,040 --> 01:17:42,960
Speaker 1: a series of social media posts and Facebook messages in

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01:17:42,960 --> 01:17:45,599
Speaker 1: which Perry made statements that they said indicated his state

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01:17:45,600 --> 01:17:48,200
Speaker 1: of mind, such as he might kill a few people

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01:17:48,240 --> 01:17:51,040
Speaker 1: on my way to work. They are rioting outside my

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01:17:51,120 --> 01:17:55,320
Speaker 1: apartment complex. A friend then responded, can you legally do so?

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01:17:55,960 --> 01:17:59,559
Speaker 1: Perry replied, if they attack me or try to pull

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01:17:59,600 --> 01:18:03,600
Speaker 1: me out of my car, then yes. So what prosecutors

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01:18:03,640 --> 01:18:06,600
Speaker 1: asserted here is that you know these messages showed his

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01:18:06,680 --> 01:18:10,560
Speaker 1: state of mind that he basically wanted to kill protesters

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01:18:10,560 --> 01:18:13,040
Speaker 1: and find a reason or justification for him to be

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01:18:13,120 --> 01:18:16,160
Speaker 1: able to do so. They quoted a law professor in

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Speaker 1: the same article, Jennifer Lauren, who indicated, you know, in

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Speaker 1: terms of Abbot statement on Texas self defense law, she

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01:18:22,479 --> 01:18:25,960
Speaker 1: set a jury is instructed to reject the defense when

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01:18:26,000 --> 01:18:29,320
Speaker 1: the person asserting it provoked the response, as prosecutors say

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01:18:29,360 --> 01:18:31,639
Speaker 1: Perry did when he drove his car into a crowd

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01:18:31,680 --> 01:18:34,280
Speaker 1: of protesters. So that could be why they found his

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01:18:34,640 --> 01:18:38,519
Speaker 1: claims of self defense unconvincing, because he ran the thread

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01:18:38,560 --> 01:18:41,639
Speaker 1: light to intentionally drive into the crowd of protesters, thus

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01:18:41,720 --> 01:18:45,080
Speaker 1: inciting the whole incident that ends with the protester being killed. Okay,

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01:18:45,960 --> 01:18:48,679
Speaker 1: so that's the background drop of what the prosecution is saying,

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01:18:48,800 --> 01:18:52,120
Speaker 1: what the defense is saying. This became a real cause

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01:18:52,120 --> 01:18:55,960
Speaker 1: celeb on the right. There was a big Tucker Carlson monologue,

1483
01:18:56,000 --> 01:18:58,240
Speaker 1: but there was also a whole discussion Kyle Rittenhouse was

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01:18:58,439 --> 01:19:01,160
Speaker 1: involved in sort of like you know, going to bat

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01:19:01,439 --> 01:19:06,320
Speaker 1: for Daniel Perry here. And part of what caused the

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01:19:06,400 --> 01:19:09,320
Speaker 1: right wing reaction was this picture that let me put

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Speaker 1: this up on the screen. It shows it's kind of grainy,

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01:19:12,800 --> 01:19:14,479
Speaker 1: it's a little bit hard to see, but you can

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Speaker 1: see on the left hand in the circle this is Foster,

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01:19:18,320 --> 01:19:21,880
Speaker 1: who again was legally open carrying, exercising as they might say,

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Speaker 1: his Second Amendment rights in Texas open carrying in AK

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01:19:24,600 --> 01:19:28,000
Speaker 1: forty seven. And from the picture, there's a woman's head

1493
01:19:28,320 --> 01:19:30,920
Speaker 1: that's in front of the actual gun, which makes it

1494
01:19:30,960 --> 01:19:33,800
Speaker 1: a little bit hard to see where it's pointing. So

1495
01:19:33,880 --> 01:19:37,240
Speaker 1: you could look at this and without looking really closely,

1496
01:19:37,560 --> 01:19:40,400
Speaker 1: it kind of looks like he's aiming the gun at Perry,

1497
01:19:40,439 --> 01:19:44,600
Speaker 1: which is what Perry's defense claimed in the trial. But

1498
01:19:44,680 --> 01:19:48,320
Speaker 1: if you actually look closely at the positioning here and

1499
01:19:48,360 --> 01:19:52,759
Speaker 1: where the gun is facing, it's actually facing not at Perry,

1500
01:19:52,760 --> 01:19:55,760
Speaker 1: but down towards the ground and towards sort of like

1501
01:19:55,840 --> 01:19:59,720
Speaker 1: the wheels of the car. So in a sense, this

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01:19:59,720 --> 01:20:03,040
Speaker 1: pic sure, even though on first glance could look like

1503
01:20:03,080 --> 01:20:08,720
Speaker 1: it's damning for the prosecution, on closer examination it in

1504
01:20:09,000 --> 01:20:12,600
Speaker 1: a sense bolsters the case of the prosecution kind of

1505
01:20:12,680 --> 01:20:16,800
Speaker 1: undermines the defense. Here, there's another piece. Let me put

1506
01:20:16,840 --> 01:20:19,640
Speaker 1: this up on the screen. Can we do this as

1507
01:20:19,640 --> 01:20:20,960
Speaker 1: a vo, guys, or do we have it as a

1508
01:20:21,040 --> 01:20:24,160
Speaker 1: thought control room? Yeah, So go ahead and put this

1509
01:20:24,240 --> 01:20:27,600
Speaker 1: vo up on the screen. This is the initial interview

1510
01:20:27,800 --> 01:20:32,320
Speaker 1: that the police conducted with Perry, they had Perry demonstrate

1511
01:20:32,439 --> 01:20:36,240
Speaker 1: how Foster was carrying his rifle. And the reason that

1512
01:20:36,320 --> 01:20:39,120
Speaker 1: this was significant is they asked him at one time

1513
01:20:39,320 --> 01:20:44,719
Speaker 1: if his rifle was pointed at if Foster was pointing

1514
01:20:44,720 --> 01:20:48,960
Speaker 1: his rifle at Perry, and he said explicitly that he

1515
01:20:49,120 --> 01:20:53,479
Speaker 1: didn't want to let him aim at him, so not

1516
01:20:53,560 --> 01:20:56,320
Speaker 1: saying that it was pointed at him, explicitly saying that

1517
01:20:56,439 --> 01:21:00,800
Speaker 1: he wanted to avoid having the rifle pointed at him.

1518
01:21:01,360 --> 01:21:05,639
Speaker 1: So that's effectively what we know here. We can take

1519
01:21:05,640 --> 01:21:07,600
Speaker 1: this down. Now, let me go ahead and put this

1520
01:21:07,680 --> 01:21:09,400
Speaker 1: last piece up on the screen, which again has a

1521
01:21:09,439 --> 01:21:11,880
Speaker 1: little bit of the arguments from both the defense and

1522
01:21:11,880 --> 01:21:14,040
Speaker 1: the prosecution, because we want to just really give both

1523
01:21:14,040 --> 01:21:17,560
Speaker 1: sides of this. Opening statements from the state revealed that

1524
01:21:17,640 --> 01:21:21,120
Speaker 1: Foster was a frequent Black Lives Matter protester. Prosecutor said

1525
01:21:21,160 --> 01:21:23,840
Speaker 1: he was protesting nearly every day that summer. The state

1526
01:21:23,960 --> 01:21:26,840
Speaker 1: argued Perry incited the crowd, causing protesters to respond by

1527
01:21:26,920 --> 01:21:29,160
Speaker 1: hitting and kicking his car and also screaming at him.

1528
01:21:29,479 --> 01:21:32,000
Speaker 1: Defense argued Perry had to defend himself after he was

1529
01:21:32,040 --> 01:21:35,439
Speaker 1: swarmed by protesters Perry and army sergeant came in contact

1530
01:21:35,439 --> 01:21:38,519
Speaker 1: with the protesters after traveling to Austin from Killeen. Is

1531
01:21:38,520 --> 01:21:41,120
Speaker 1: that how you say that? To drive for uber for

1532
01:21:41,400 --> 01:21:46,920
Speaker 1: supplemental income. So now we have, after a backlash, Governor

1533
01:21:46,960 --> 01:21:50,240
Speaker 1: Greg Abbott basically deciding to pardon this guy who was

1534
01:21:50,280 --> 01:21:52,479
Speaker 1: just found guilty by a jury of killing the protester.

1535
01:21:52,560 --> 01:21:54,479
Speaker 1: And that's what we know. It's a complicated one. You know,

1536
01:21:54,680 --> 01:21:56,640
Speaker 1: we were talking a lot about it before because, like

1537
01:21:56,680 --> 01:21:58,559
Speaker 1: you said, on the one hand, look, we have open

1538
01:21:58,600 --> 01:22:01,640
Speaker 1: carry law in Texas where I'm from, Like, he's completely

1539
01:22:01,680 --> 01:22:04,280
Speaker 1: within his rights to be on the street with an

1540
01:22:04,320 --> 01:22:07,040
Speaker 1: AK forty seven. Yeah. Also, you have a right to

1541
01:22:07,160 --> 01:22:09,320
Speaker 1: stand your ground in Texas and you have a right

1542
01:22:09,560 --> 01:22:12,320
Speaker 1: to self defense and policing the line between the two

1543
01:22:12,560 --> 01:22:15,559
Speaker 1: is very important. Ultimately, what I think damned him before

1544
01:22:15,560 --> 01:22:18,360
Speaker 1: the jury is the initial conversation that he has with

1545
01:22:18,439 --> 01:22:20,200
Speaker 1: the police where he says, I didn't want to give

1546
01:22:20,280 --> 01:22:23,080
Speaker 1: him a chance to aim at me, you know, whenever

1547
01:22:23,120 --> 01:22:27,160
Speaker 1: he said that. In addition to the social media, the

1548
01:22:27,200 --> 01:22:29,640
Speaker 1: social media comps he said about going there. Here's the

1549
01:22:29,680 --> 01:22:31,040
Speaker 1: other problem though, and I know a lot of people

1550
01:22:31,080 --> 01:22:33,360
Speaker 1: are looking at that as the evidence itself. What do

1551
01:22:33,479 --> 01:22:36,559
Speaker 1: we learn from Brittenhouse. You can go to somewhere even

1552
01:22:36,640 --> 01:22:39,519
Speaker 1: looking for something, but still if somebody points a gun

1553
01:22:39,520 --> 01:22:41,360
Speaker 1: at you, and you know, in the eyes of the

1554
01:22:41,439 --> 01:22:45,120
Speaker 1: jury instigates it, you can kill them in self defense.

1555
01:22:45,479 --> 01:22:49,080
Speaker 1: That is where the actual line of self defense itself.

1556
01:22:49,280 --> 01:22:52,679
Speaker 1: Here's another thing that people need to remember and consider.

1557
01:22:52,960 --> 01:22:55,479
Speaker 1: Everything is different. Self defense low in particular, is different

1558
01:22:55,520 --> 01:22:58,360
Speaker 1: state by state. Texas does have one of the strongest

1559
01:22:58,360 --> 01:23:01,040
Speaker 1: standard ground laws. That is the basis through which Governor

1560
01:23:01,040 --> 01:23:03,960
Speaker 1: Abbot is saying this. Where I have a little bit

1561
01:23:03,960 --> 01:23:06,639
Speaker 1: of an issue is that Abbot first of all came

1562
01:23:06,680 --> 01:23:08,280
Speaker 1: out and said, I'm going to pardon this guy. But

1563
01:23:08,400 --> 01:23:10,000
Speaker 1: for what he forgot is we have one of the

1564
01:23:10,080 --> 01:23:12,600
Speaker 1: least powerful governors in the entire country in Texas. He

1565
01:23:12,640 --> 01:23:14,320
Speaker 1: has to wait for the Board of Parole to say

1566
01:23:14,360 --> 01:23:16,080
Speaker 1: that they want to pardon him. He says, when they

1567
01:23:16,080 --> 01:23:17,760
Speaker 1: do as you said, and there because he appointed all

1568
01:23:17,800 --> 01:23:19,839
Speaker 1: them that they will to do it and they'll sign it.

1569
01:23:19,920 --> 01:23:22,080
Speaker 1: But you know, if you're looking at this, the assessment

1570
01:23:22,200 --> 01:23:25,840
Speaker 1: through the pardon is not actually coming from the facts

1571
01:23:25,880 --> 01:23:28,880
Speaker 1: of the case. It's coming from an assessment of how

1572
01:23:28,920 --> 01:23:32,280
Speaker 1: the governor itself wants to uphold stand your ground law

1573
01:23:32,560 --> 01:23:35,280
Speaker 1: for Texas. So I'm very torn on this, and by

1574
01:23:35,280 --> 01:23:36,760
Speaker 1: the way, on open carry, I know a lot of

1575
01:23:36,800 --> 01:23:38,479
Speaker 1: people are against it, but you know, one of the

1576
01:23:38,520 --> 01:23:40,080
Speaker 1: reasons why people want it to be legal is you

1577
01:23:40,120 --> 01:23:42,120
Speaker 1: don't want to give anybody a pretext to arrest somebody

1578
01:23:42,160 --> 01:23:44,160
Speaker 1: just for having a gun that is on them, even

1579
01:23:44,160 --> 01:23:46,639
Speaker 1: though bad situations like this can occur. So I will

1580
01:23:46,640 --> 01:23:50,400
Speaker 1: speak out for my two A bros. Well, you should

1581
01:23:50,400 --> 01:23:54,599
Speaker 1: back up Foster's look right, the exercises. I mean, all

1582
01:23:54,760 --> 01:23:57,439
Speaker 1: these people have guns. They're doing legal or at least

1583
01:23:57,479 --> 01:23:59,720
Speaker 1: legally up until the point of the interaction that it

1584
01:23:59,680 --> 01:24:02,680
Speaker 1: happen with the murder itself. You know, it's one of

1585
01:24:02,720 --> 01:24:05,960
Speaker 1: those where I genuinely don't know. I looking at the jury,

1586
01:24:06,080 --> 01:24:09,439
Speaker 1: clearly they were within mind enough to not convict him

1587
01:24:09,439 --> 01:24:11,679
Speaker 1: of one charge and to convict him of the other

1588
01:24:11,800 --> 01:24:14,760
Speaker 1: charge on the facts itself. I was not in the

1589
01:24:14,800 --> 01:24:16,960
Speaker 1: jury and I did not see the forensic evidence. Where

1590
01:24:16,960 --> 01:24:20,080
Speaker 1: I think the most complicating factor for Perry comes down

1591
01:24:20,120 --> 01:24:22,759
Speaker 1: to the video. Again, I was not there. I genuinely

1592
01:24:22,800 --> 01:24:24,400
Speaker 1: have no idea how it would have voted on. It's

1593
01:24:24,439 --> 01:24:27,439
Speaker 1: the video and it's also the fact you ran a

1594
01:24:27,479 --> 01:24:30,720
Speaker 1: red light to intentionally drive into this crowd of protesters,

1595
01:24:31,200 --> 01:24:33,840
Speaker 1: and that's where the defense is able to argue you

1596
01:24:33,880 --> 01:24:36,799
Speaker 1: don't get to claim self defense, however you felt about

1597
01:24:36,840 --> 01:24:40,680
Speaker 1: whatever you know Foster was doing in this situation. Your

1598
01:24:40,760 --> 01:24:43,800
Speaker 1: right to claim self defense is really negated by the

1599
01:24:43,800 --> 01:24:47,720
Speaker 1: fact that you incited this conflict yourself, and by the

1600
01:24:47,760 --> 01:24:49,920
Speaker 1: way you're in a car. You could have driven away

1601
01:24:50,280 --> 01:24:53,680
Speaker 1: if you felt threatened. The piece of this that you know,

1602
01:24:53,760 --> 01:24:57,120
Speaker 1: I think exposes the problems with stanyel ground laws is

1603
01:24:57,720 --> 01:25:02,840
Speaker 1: it's completely subjective. You can feel threatened enough to shoot

1604
01:25:02,840 --> 01:25:06,439
Speaker 1: and kill someone by someone doing something that is totally legal,

1605
01:25:06,920 --> 01:25:09,360
Speaker 1: which is in the state of tax is open carrying

1606
01:25:09,400 --> 01:25:12,799
Speaker 1: AK forty seven. I also would say that it shows

1607
01:25:12,920 --> 01:25:16,639
Speaker 1: some of the problems with allowing people to open carry

1608
01:25:16,800 --> 01:25:20,360
Speaker 1: weapons like AK forty Seven's where it's going to be

1609
01:25:20,560 --> 01:25:25,000
Speaker 1: natural that people perceive that as like a very threatening situation,

1610
01:25:25,160 --> 01:25:27,840
Speaker 1: very threatening altercation. The part of this that I find

1611
01:25:27,840 --> 01:25:30,960
Speaker 1: the most troubling is listen, it's clearly on the part

1612
01:25:31,000 --> 01:25:34,400
Speaker 1: of Abbot, it's very ideological. You know, if the shoe

1613
01:25:34,439 --> 01:25:37,040
Speaker 1: was on the other foot and this was like an

1614
01:25:37,120 --> 01:25:41,840
Speaker 1: anti COVID lockdown protest, and you had, you know, a

1615
01:25:41,920 --> 01:25:44,120
Speaker 1: lefty who'd posted, I'm going to go out and kill

1616
01:25:44,160 --> 01:25:46,479
Speaker 1: some right wingers, drive into a crowd of them and

1617
01:25:46,520 --> 01:25:49,000
Speaker 1: shoot and kill one of them. Does anyone in their

1618
01:25:49,080 --> 01:25:52,080
Speaker 1: right mind think that Tucker Carlson be doing a monologue

1619
01:25:52,080 --> 01:25:55,320
Speaker 1: outraged about it, or that Greg Abbot would decide like, oh,

1620
01:25:55,360 --> 01:25:56,759
Speaker 1: we got to go in and we got to pardon

1621
01:25:56,800 --> 01:25:59,560
Speaker 1: this guy. Even though listen, whatever you think of the

1622
01:25:59,560 --> 01:26:01,599
Speaker 1: prosecut and that's part of what they're saying, Oh this

1623
01:26:01,640 --> 01:26:06,040
Speaker 1: is a George Soros back progressive da whatever. This They

1624
01:26:06,080 --> 01:26:09,000
Speaker 1: had to present this to a jury. A jury evaluated

1625
01:26:09,000 --> 01:26:11,680
Speaker 1: the evidence. They said no on one charge, and they

1626
01:26:11,720 --> 01:26:17,000
Speaker 1: said yes on killing this protester. So you know, to me, yes,

1627
01:26:17,160 --> 01:26:20,240
Speaker 1: I do think the way that these laws interact is

1628
01:26:20,439 --> 01:26:23,679
Speaker 1: complicated and troubling in a way that to my mind

1629
01:26:23,880 --> 01:26:27,000
Speaker 1: sort of undermines the The undermines the notion that you

1630
01:26:27,040 --> 01:26:29,800
Speaker 1: should have either the standard ground or open carry AK

1631
01:26:29,960 --> 01:26:32,280
Speaker 1: forty seven on the books. But this is Texas and

1632
01:26:32,320 --> 01:26:35,519
Speaker 1: that's what they've decided to do. But given that, you have,

1633
01:26:35,760 --> 01:26:37,760
Speaker 1: you know, a complicating set of facts, and you have

1634
01:26:37,800 --> 01:26:41,160
Speaker 1: a jury that carefully evaluated this evidence and unanimously decided

1635
01:26:41,160 --> 01:26:44,559
Speaker 1: to move forward. I think it's outrageous to overturn it

1636
01:26:44,640 --> 01:26:48,519
Speaker 1: based on sort of like social media outrage from a

1637
01:26:48,520 --> 01:26:50,360
Speaker 1: group that you considered to be your core base. I

1638
01:26:50,400 --> 01:26:52,680
Speaker 1: would say, at least let the appeals process play out,

1639
01:26:52,680 --> 01:26:55,080
Speaker 1: because that's another one is you're actually preempting appeals to

1640
01:26:55,280 --> 01:26:58,000
Speaker 1: four part Yeah, which is that is extraordinary. Yeah, in

1641
01:26:58,040 --> 01:27:00,880
Speaker 1: the history of the state of Texas, whenever pardon has

1642
01:27:00,920 --> 01:27:02,800
Speaker 1: been offer from what I've been able to gather, there's

1643
01:27:02,840 --> 01:27:04,920
Speaker 1: never been a pardon on a murder conviction that was

1644
01:27:04,920 --> 01:27:07,360
Speaker 1: did not at least very very much go through. Allow

1645
01:27:07,479 --> 01:27:10,600
Speaker 1: the appeals process to play out, because we should, you know,

1646
01:27:10,960 --> 01:27:13,080
Speaker 1: don't forget you know. Sure, you could say all you want,

1647
01:27:13,240 --> 01:27:17,080
Speaker 1: like a progressive prosecutor and progressive jury in Austin, which

1648
01:27:17,120 --> 01:27:19,360
Speaker 1: is again I don't know any of these people, not

1649
01:27:19,680 --> 01:27:22,000
Speaker 1: the prosecutor obviously, but in terms of the jury, I

1650
01:27:22,000 --> 01:27:24,719
Speaker 1: have no idea who these people are, you know, seeming

1651
01:27:25,040 --> 01:27:27,320
Speaker 1: hopefully they acted in good faith. But it's not like

1652
01:27:27,320 --> 01:27:30,599
Speaker 1: the appeals courts in Texas are liberal by any means.

1653
01:27:30,680 --> 01:27:33,120
Speaker 1: So now, if he's got a good chance, look on

1654
01:27:33,200 --> 01:27:35,719
Speaker 1: the facts, if he has a good chance at overturn.

1655
01:27:35,880 --> 01:27:37,920
Speaker 1: There is no state that you'd be better positioned in

1656
01:27:38,439 --> 01:27:40,960
Speaker 1: than the State of Texas or the Supreme Court of

1657
01:27:41,000 --> 01:27:43,720
Speaker 1: the State of Texas before that process were to play out,

1658
01:27:43,720 --> 01:27:46,280
Speaker 1: where he again can continue to argue the facts that

1659
01:27:46,360 --> 01:27:49,479
Speaker 1: he did before that. I actually would support that playing

1660
01:27:49,479 --> 01:27:53,040
Speaker 1: out more so because Crystal, what Texas Governor Abbott is

1661
01:27:53,040 --> 01:27:56,760
Speaker 1: saying is that this violates stand your ground law. That

1662
01:27:56,960 --> 01:28:00,240
Speaker 1: is a matter for our courts to decide, right just

1663
01:28:00,280 --> 01:28:03,439
Speaker 1: the jury. If jury nullificacation came in this case, then

1664
01:28:03,560 --> 01:28:06,919
Speaker 1: actually that then needs to be further analyzed, and more importantly,

1665
01:28:06,920 --> 01:28:09,599
Speaker 1: in my mind, the sacrificing nature of the way that

1666
01:28:09,640 --> 01:28:14,200
Speaker 1: the courts themselves determine whether this violated Texas standard ground law,

1667
01:28:14,240 --> 01:28:16,639
Speaker 1: again a matter for the Supreme Court of the State

1668
01:28:16,640 --> 01:28:19,559
Speaker 1: of Texas before the governor were to be getting involved here.

1669
01:28:19,680 --> 01:28:23,639
Speaker 1: That is how you properly or to handle something like this. Yeah, right,

1670
01:28:23,720 --> 01:28:27,040
Speaker 1: because what about the you know, Second Amendment right of

1671
01:28:27,400 --> 01:28:30,360
Speaker 1: Foster to open carry his No, No, he was totally

1672
01:28:30,400 --> 01:28:32,479
Speaker 1: within his right. I support his right to Yeah, I

1673
01:28:32,479 --> 01:28:34,719
Speaker 1: think you know, I mean, listen, it was a chaotic situation,

1674
01:28:35,200 --> 01:28:37,920
Speaker 1: you know. Maybe no, don't bring guns either way, to that.

1675
01:28:38,000 --> 01:28:41,400
Speaker 1: But that's something can be not a bad idea or

1676
01:28:41,439 --> 01:28:43,040
Speaker 1: not a good idea, but it can also be legal.

1677
01:28:43,280 --> 01:28:46,400
Speaker 1: I support it to be legal, specifically for horrific situation.

1678
01:28:46,520 --> 01:28:49,040
Speaker 1: So anyway, this is a matter in my mind for

1679
01:28:49,080 --> 01:28:50,479
Speaker 1: the Supreme Court of the State of Texas. And I

1680
01:28:50,479 --> 01:28:52,400
Speaker 1: don't think the governor should be doing this. I really don't.

1681
01:28:52,520 --> 01:28:54,400
Speaker 1: All right, let's talk about a little bit of Trump

1682
01:28:54,400 --> 01:28:58,479
Speaker 1: campaign drama spilling over. This is an interesting one and

1683
01:28:58,520 --> 01:29:00,280
Speaker 1: put this up on the screen from the Guardian and

1684
01:29:00,800 --> 01:29:04,040
Speaker 1: they say Trump was reportedly seeking twenty twenty four campaign

1685
01:29:04,120 --> 01:29:08,000
Speaker 1: role for far right activists. Laura Lumer, ex president, has

1686
01:29:08,000 --> 01:29:10,840
Speaker 1: told aids to hire the failed congressional candidate. That is

1687
01:29:10,880 --> 01:29:15,160
Speaker 1: according to a New York Times report. So, Laura Lumer,

1688
01:29:15,479 --> 01:29:17,200
Speaker 1: for those I don't know, Sager, you might do a

1689
01:29:17,200 --> 01:29:21,080
Speaker 1: better job describing her. She's definitely out there, very vocal figure.

1690
01:29:21,200 --> 01:29:23,400
Speaker 1: She ran for Congress twice and lost. Yeah, she's been

1691
01:29:24,880 --> 01:29:28,200
Speaker 1: pretty clear about some relatively unsavory views in my opinion.

1692
01:29:28,280 --> 01:29:31,920
Speaker 1: She previously described herself as pro white nationalism, claiming there's

1693
01:29:31,960 --> 01:29:34,760
Speaker 1: a difference between white nationalism and white supremacy, and a

1694
01:29:34,760 --> 01:29:37,320
Speaker 1: lot of liberals and left wing globalist, Marxist Jews don't

1695
01:29:37,360 --> 01:29:40,800
Speaker 1: understand that those were her words. In that same conversation,

1696
01:29:41,240 --> 01:29:43,519
Speaker 1: she said the US really was built as the white

1697
01:29:43,680 --> 01:29:47,200
Speaker 1: Judeo Christian ethno state essentially. So those are some of

1698
01:29:47,280 --> 01:29:50,040
Speaker 1: the type of comments that she has engaged in previously.

1699
01:29:51,120 --> 01:29:54,960
Speaker 1: So Trump was apparent apparently likes her though, because she's loyal.

1700
01:29:55,720 --> 01:29:59,439
Speaker 1: She is loyal to him in a religious way. Is

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01:29:59,560 --> 01:30:02,960
Speaker 1: I don't think people can really understand what lumor dedication

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01:30:03,160 --> 01:30:06,600
Speaker 1: to Trump is in terms of all the stuff that

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01:30:06,640 --> 01:30:09,840
Speaker 1: she said. Here's the thing about Laura Lumer. She is

1704
01:30:09,880 --> 01:30:13,840
Speaker 1: a provocateur and she is all about attention. That is

1705
01:30:13,880 --> 01:30:16,160
Speaker 1: all she has ever wanted. I mean, she's there, she's gotten.

1706
01:30:16,280 --> 01:30:18,719
Speaker 1: Do you remember this Whenever she chained herself to Twitter

1707
01:30:18,880 --> 01:30:22,200
Speaker 1: HQ with the handcuffs in New York City to be like,

1708
01:30:22,400 --> 01:30:24,679
Speaker 1: please restore my accounts, she was one of the originally

1709
01:30:24,760 --> 01:30:29,320
Speaker 1: like completely planned deplatform people. The only interaction I've ever

1710
01:30:29,320 --> 01:30:31,080
Speaker 1: had Laura Lumer is when she went after me for

1711
01:30:31,160 --> 01:30:35,840
Speaker 1: not believing in QAnon a fun thing. Oh yeah, yeah,

1712
01:30:35,880 --> 01:30:38,320
Speaker 1: that's all right. She's a big Q person too, right.

1713
01:30:38,520 --> 01:30:41,000
Speaker 1: She was just she like flirted with Q. Okay, look,

1714
01:30:41,080 --> 01:30:43,200
Speaker 1: here's the other thing. I don't even take clowns like

1715
01:30:43,200 --> 01:30:45,839
Speaker 1: this seriously. What I do take seriously is when Trump

1716
01:30:46,120 --> 01:30:49,679
Speaker 1: wants to hire somebody like Laura Lumer. And the reason

1717
01:30:49,720 --> 01:30:51,800
Speaker 1: why is obvious, and I think this is something that

1718
01:30:51,880 --> 01:30:54,320
Speaker 1: so many people need to understand about Trump. One of

1719
01:30:54,320 --> 01:30:57,080
Speaker 1: the reasons that he debases people is because he forces

1720
01:30:57,120 --> 01:31:00,479
Speaker 1: people who are serious to twist themselves into none to

1721
01:31:00,560 --> 01:31:05,479
Speaker 1: try and justify his most batshit insane instincts, specifically like

1722
01:31:05,520 --> 01:31:07,880
Speaker 1: on dominion and stop the steal right. So that's why

1723
01:31:07,880 --> 01:31:09,880
Speaker 1: people do high IQ s Lory. Well, you know, if

1724
01:31:09,880 --> 01:31:12,200
Speaker 1: you Pennsylvania election law, it's like, nah, that's not what

1725
01:31:12,280 --> 01:31:14,840
Speaker 1: he's saying in the Chinese literally story election and it's like,

1726
01:31:14,840 --> 01:31:17,080
Speaker 1: how are you going to high IQ? You're like dinner

1727
01:31:17,120 --> 01:31:20,280
Speaker 1: with Kanye West to Nick Fuentes or like high IQ

1728
01:31:20,520 --> 01:31:24,320
Speaker 1: wanting to hire Laura Lumber as like a serious campaign role.

1729
01:31:24,439 --> 01:31:26,400
Speaker 1: And the reason why I want someone like Laura Lumer

1730
01:31:26,439 --> 01:31:29,960
Speaker 1: is Laura Lumer is attacked. Anything the man does, she

1731
01:31:30,000 --> 01:31:32,559
Speaker 1: will defend it. He will. He could contradict himself completely,

1732
01:31:32,640 --> 01:31:34,080
Speaker 1: she would defend it. He could go the other way.

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01:31:34,120 --> 01:31:36,639
Speaker 1: She would defend That's everything that she does is all

1734
01:31:36,720 --> 01:31:39,680
Speaker 1: about just a religious fate and defense of Trump. She

1735
01:31:39,680 --> 01:31:42,400
Speaker 1: almost looks in like a Jesus than she does like Trump.

1736
01:31:42,479 --> 01:31:44,320
Speaker 1: I'm sure that she'll come after us for the segment,

1737
01:31:44,320 --> 01:31:46,760
Speaker 1: and I don't believe that that's fine. So we're not

1738
01:31:46,800 --> 01:31:48,840
Speaker 1: the only ones who have some issues with Laura Lumber.

1739
01:31:49,280 --> 01:31:52,599
Speaker 1: Marjorie Taylor Green not a fan. Make him very clear.

1740
01:31:52,720 --> 01:31:54,599
Speaker 1: After this report came out, put this up on the screen.

1741
01:31:55,000 --> 01:31:57,639
Speaker 1: She shared the New York Times reporter or a a screenshot

1742
01:31:57,680 --> 01:31:59,840
Speaker 1: of the New York Times report about him moving to

1743
01:32:00,080 --> 01:32:03,880
Speaker 1: hire Laura Lumer. That was the headline. Here, she says,

1744
01:32:04,040 --> 01:32:07,519
Speaker 1: Laura Lumer, this, Marjorie Taylor Green is mentally unstable and

1745
01:32:07,600 --> 01:32:11,679
Speaker 1: a documented liar. She cannot be trusted. She spent months

1746
01:32:11,760 --> 01:32:14,320
Speaker 1: lying about me and attacking me just because I supported

1747
01:32:14,360 --> 01:32:17,439
Speaker 1: Kevin McCarthy for Speaker and after I'd refuse to endorse

1748
01:32:17,439 --> 01:32:20,839
Speaker 1: her last election cycle. She loves the alleged FBI informant

1749
01:32:20,840 --> 01:32:23,680
Speaker 1: and weirdo Nick Fuentes. She tried to get hired on

1750
01:32:23,720 --> 01:32:26,320
Speaker 1: the Ya campaign after the infamous mar A Lago dinner,

1751
01:32:26,320 --> 01:32:28,960
Speaker 1: but Kanye West refused to hire. So now she's running

1752
01:32:28,960 --> 01:32:32,280
Speaker 1: to Trump. Never or hire or do business with a liar.

1753
01:32:32,600 --> 01:32:36,320
Speaker 1: Liars are toxic and poisonous to everything they touch. I

1754
01:32:36,400 --> 01:32:39,840
Speaker 1: will make sure he, being Trump knows all right. So

1755
01:32:39,920 --> 01:32:43,040
Speaker 1: that was shots fired for Marjorie Taylor Green. Apparently. I

1756
01:32:43,040 --> 01:32:45,479
Speaker 1: guess the fallout here really because they had been kind

1757
01:32:45,479 --> 01:32:48,360
Speaker 1: of buddy buddy before. I guess the fallout here was

1758
01:32:48,400 --> 01:32:52,000
Speaker 1: over the whole Kevin McCarthy situation, and there were shots

1759
01:32:52,040 --> 01:32:56,400
Speaker 1: taking at Marjorie Taylor Green from Laura Lumer. Laura responds,

1760
01:32:56,760 --> 01:32:59,200
Speaker 1: let's put this up on the screen, MTG. The only

1761
01:32:59,360 --> 01:33:03,320
Speaker 1: liar is you. You hired the foreign national who set

1762
01:33:03,400 --> 01:33:05,759
Speaker 1: up the dinner at mar A Lago, and you spoke

1763
01:33:05,800 --> 01:33:08,240
Speaker 1: at ass pack where you were more than happy to

1764
01:33:08,320 --> 01:33:11,519
Speaker 1: embrace frontt Yay asked me to work on his campaign

1765
01:33:11,600 --> 01:33:14,200
Speaker 1: and I said no because I told him I endorse

1766
01:33:14,280 --> 01:33:16,599
Speaker 1: Donald Trump, but I support his right to free speech.

1767
01:33:17,600 --> 01:33:20,000
Speaker 1: You were a liar, and there's all kinds of stuff here.

1768
01:33:20,000 --> 01:33:21,559
Speaker 1: I don't even know what she's talking about. You have

1769
01:33:21,640 --> 01:33:25,040
Speaker 1: a British foreign national who openly attacks President Trump every day,

1770
01:33:25,080 --> 01:33:27,080
Speaker 1: working for you and living in Rome, Georgia. I have

1771
01:33:27,120 --> 01:33:29,639
Speaker 1: the receipts as screenshots of you telling me you want

1772
01:33:29,640 --> 01:33:31,920
Speaker 1: me in Congress you're going to endorse me. You only

1773
01:33:32,000 --> 01:33:35,080
Speaker 1: change your mind once you made deals with McCarthy. You're

1774
01:33:35,080 --> 01:33:37,080
Speaker 1: a disloyal liar. You're working with someone who said he

1775
01:33:37,080 --> 01:33:38,840
Speaker 1: wanted to make Trump miserable. I was setting him up

1776
01:33:38,840 --> 01:33:40,640
Speaker 1: at mar A Lago. Here you are on video in

1777
01:33:40,680 --> 01:33:43,080
Speaker 1: case I need to refresh your memory. So yeah, this

1778
01:33:43,240 --> 01:33:47,200
Speaker 1: is pretty interesting all the way around. I mean she

1779
01:33:47,240 --> 01:33:49,880
Speaker 1: also went after her for allegedly having an affair and

1780
01:33:50,000 --> 01:33:52,400
Speaker 1: being embarrassing. I mean, this is one of those Irana

1781
01:33:52,479 --> 01:33:54,839
Speaker 1: rock war situations where it's like, I wish both sides

1782
01:33:55,040 --> 01:33:57,000
Speaker 1: the best of luck. Laura Lumer went on for like

1783
01:33:57,000 --> 01:33:59,080
Speaker 1: twelve more tweets. By the way, this is like not

1784
01:33:59,200 --> 01:34:01,200
Speaker 1: the end of it. At the end of the day,

1785
01:34:01,439 --> 01:34:04,160
Speaker 1: I don't think Trump will hire her because MTG is

1786
01:34:04,200 --> 01:34:06,559
Speaker 1: such a loyal ally and it is probably more important

1787
01:34:06,560 --> 01:34:08,559
Speaker 1: to the move. But this just gives people an idea

1788
01:34:08,680 --> 01:34:10,680
Speaker 1: like there is nobody out of bounds for Trump. If

1789
01:34:10,680 --> 01:34:12,719
Speaker 1: you're willing to speak out for him, literally, no matter

1790
01:34:12,760 --> 01:34:14,360
Speaker 1: who you are, he'll be like, yeah, I think he's

1791
01:34:14,360 --> 01:34:16,320
Speaker 1: a good guy. Yeah she's a good girl, Like, oh,

1792
01:34:16,560 --> 01:34:18,600
Speaker 1: hire her for the campaign. And you know I was

1793
01:34:18,640 --> 01:34:20,960
Speaker 1: thinking about I think Richard Hananey or somebody tweet this out.

1794
01:34:21,040 --> 01:34:23,639
Speaker 1: Laura Lumer actually would be a good spokesperson for Trump.

1795
01:34:23,680 --> 01:34:26,920
Speaker 1: You need somebody who is willing to defend literally everything

1796
01:34:26,920 --> 01:34:30,400
Speaker 1: that you say in a religious way, so like put morals,

1797
01:34:30,439 --> 01:34:32,760
Speaker 1: I guess, and all that aside. Yeah, she actually would

1798
01:34:32,760 --> 01:34:35,000
Speaker 1: be great at this job. So in a way, I'm like, yeah,

1799
01:34:35,040 --> 01:34:38,080
Speaker 1: she deserves it. I think if we deserve Trump, then

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01:34:38,120 --> 01:34:40,280
Speaker 1: we deserve Laura feb It was a reminder to me

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01:34:40,680 --> 01:34:45,759
Speaker 1: of like just because Trump has been he's been pretty

1802
01:34:45,760 --> 01:34:49,960
Speaker 1: honest political game lately, like put aside indictments. It's not

1803
01:34:50,000 --> 01:34:52,160
Speaker 1: great for him. It's good for him the Republican primary,

1804
01:34:52,200 --> 01:34:54,479
Speaker 1: but I think ultimately, you know this polling that shows

1805
01:34:54,520 --> 01:34:56,800
Speaker 1: most Americans think he just did it. The most Americans

1806
01:34:56,800 --> 01:34:59,599
Speaker 1: think support him being charged, like they think there's there there.

1807
01:34:59,640 --> 01:35:01,720
Speaker 1: So not great for him for a general election, but

1808
01:35:02,240 --> 01:35:05,679
Speaker 1: he's made some very smart political moves recently talking about

1809
01:35:05,680 --> 01:35:08,640
Speaker 1: social security and medicare you know, like his messaging, the

1810
01:35:08,680 --> 01:35:13,760
Speaker 1: way he's really sort of completely undercut the potential Dasanta's

1811
01:35:13,760 --> 01:35:17,639
Speaker 1: campaign before Desanta's even months from Desanta's even announcing. He's

1812
01:35:17,680 --> 01:35:22,280
Speaker 1: made some savvy strategic political moves this whole episode just

1813
01:35:22,360 --> 01:35:26,400
Speaker 1: reminds me of Man is Way Too Online, like some

1814
01:35:26,439 --> 01:35:31,120
Speaker 1: of his greatest like personal failings, and why it is that,

1815
01:35:31,479 --> 01:35:34,960
Speaker 1: you know, he lost reelection. Why it is that under

1816
01:35:35,040 --> 01:35:38,280
Speaker 1: him Republicans did not do well in twenty eighteen and

1817
01:35:38,280 --> 01:35:42,000
Speaker 1: then twenty twenty two, he like really depressed what they

1818
01:35:42,000 --> 01:35:45,719
Speaker 1: were able to achieve as well. And why you still,

1819
01:35:45,840 --> 01:35:48,840
Speaker 1: even with Joe Biden being not that popular, you still

1820
01:35:48,840 --> 01:35:50,840
Speaker 1: wouldn't say that like Trump's like a shoe in for

1821
01:35:50,840 --> 01:35:52,960
Speaker 1: the White House because this kind of stuff just happens

1822
01:35:53,040 --> 01:35:55,519
Speaker 1: under him all the time. Yep, you are correct, Crystal.

1823
01:35:55,840 --> 01:35:58,360
Speaker 1: This is something that is baked into Trump. There's no

1824
01:35:58,439 --> 01:36:01,800
Speaker 1: getting around it. Period Z. This is it. So you know,

1825
01:36:01,880 --> 01:36:04,040
Speaker 1: if you support him, this is part of it. Is

1826
01:36:04,040 --> 01:36:06,240
Speaker 1: what you just be honest about that. There are a

1827
01:36:06,240 --> 01:36:07,880
Speaker 1: lot of people who are like, look, on balance, you know,

1828
01:36:07,920 --> 01:36:09,400
Speaker 1: this is still something I'm willing to put up with.

1829
01:36:09,479 --> 01:36:11,519
Speaker 1: The left has their own cooks that they have, you know,

1830
01:36:11,560 --> 01:36:14,800
Speaker 1: the luggage guy or whatever the guy is. You know,

1831
01:36:14,840 --> 01:36:16,800
Speaker 1: it's like, this is how it is. But at least

1832
01:36:16,840 --> 01:36:19,400
Speaker 1: just be real about what we're getting into, because that's

1833
01:36:19,439 --> 01:36:24,280
Speaker 1: what's happening. All right, Yer, what are you looking at well.

1834
01:36:24,640 --> 01:36:27,559
Speaker 1: I'm not exactly sure why establishment hacks continue to let

1835
01:36:27,560 --> 01:36:30,479
Speaker 1: themselves be interviewed by John Stewart. The best explanation I

1836
01:36:30,479 --> 01:36:32,360
Speaker 1: can come up with is that most of them are

1837
01:36:32,360 --> 01:36:34,720
Speaker 1: just so arrogant they think they can take him. They're

1838
01:36:34,760 --> 01:36:37,240
Speaker 1: personally liberal, they came up watching him during the Bush years.

1839
01:36:37,320 --> 01:36:39,679
Speaker 1: They think he will at least be somewhat on their side.

1840
01:36:39,760 --> 01:36:42,040
Speaker 1: And then of course there's probably just a large contingent

1841
01:36:42,120 --> 01:36:45,080
Speaker 1: that have know nothing about him, but because he's fame

1842
01:36:45,160 --> 01:36:47,679
Speaker 1: hiss and they're fame hungry, they just agree to the interview.

1843
01:36:47,920 --> 01:36:51,160
Speaker 1: Which category Kathleen Hicks falls into, you can be the judge.

1844
01:36:51,200 --> 01:36:53,400
Speaker 1: And for those who don't know, Hicks is the Deputy

1845
01:36:53,439 --> 01:36:56,240
Speaker 1: Secretary of Defense, in other words, the number two person

1846
01:36:56,280 --> 01:36:59,080
Speaker 1: in the entire Pentagon. The Deputy Secretary is cloaked in

1847
01:36:59,160 --> 01:37:02,360
Speaker 1: immense power, responsible for the day to day operations of

1848
01:37:02,400 --> 01:37:05,240
Speaker 1: the building, where the secretary is focused on policy and

1849
01:37:05,280 --> 01:37:09,360
Speaker 1: the priorities of the president. Their power extends to appropriation requests,

1850
01:37:09,360 --> 01:37:13,160
Speaker 1: reconciling disputes the Finance Department, and for our purposes, that's

1851
01:37:13,160 --> 01:37:15,559
Speaker 1: where we're going to look in something Stuart came ready

1852
01:37:15,560 --> 01:37:18,760
Speaker 1: to tangle with hooks on Hickson immediately and brought up

1853
01:37:18,880 --> 01:37:21,519
Speaker 1: was the failed Pentagon audit. Let's take a listen to

1854
01:37:21,560 --> 01:37:24,519
Speaker 1: the initial exchange. It's absolutely the case of the United

1855
01:37:24,560 --> 01:37:27,720
Speaker 1: States military should be able to pass an audit, and

1856
01:37:27,760 --> 01:37:30,120
Speaker 1: we've got to be on that pathway to get there. Okay,

1857
01:37:30,160 --> 01:37:32,439
Speaker 1: So you need to explain to me. Do you understand

1858
01:37:32,439 --> 01:37:34,759
Speaker 1: what an audit does in the degree to which it

1859
01:37:34,800 --> 01:37:37,960
Speaker 1: is linked to the question that you're asking. I believe show. Okay,

1860
01:37:37,960 --> 01:37:41,320
Speaker 1: go ahead, give me, give me, give me your explanation.

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01:37:41,880 --> 01:37:44,200
Speaker 1: First of all, the arrogance of this woman. It is

1862
01:37:44,439 --> 01:37:47,599
Speaker 1: unbelievable to belittle a man like Stuart taunting him what

1863
01:37:47,640 --> 01:37:50,519
Speaker 1: an audit actually is. Let's focus in on the question

1864
01:37:50,600 --> 01:37:53,639
Speaker 1: at hand. What is the Pentagon audit? Why does it matter?

1865
01:37:53,840 --> 01:37:55,920
Speaker 1: We've brought you before, the stunning story that only the

1866
01:37:56,040 --> 01:37:58,839
Speaker 1: US government agency, the only one in capable of passing

1867
01:37:58,840 --> 01:38:02,479
Speaker 1: an audit, remains a Pentagon, not once, not twice, but

1868
01:38:02,600 --> 01:38:04,960
Speaker 1: five times. We're not just talking about one failed audit.

1869
01:38:05,080 --> 01:38:08,479
Speaker 1: The Pentagon is in its fifth failed audit was capable

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01:38:08,560 --> 01:38:11,320
Speaker 1: of accounting for just thirty nine percent of three point

1871
01:38:11,320 --> 01:38:14,599
Speaker 1: five trillion dollars in assets under management. So yes, they

1872
01:38:14,720 --> 01:38:19,000
Speaker 1: cannot account for sixty percent of all the assets that maintain. Further,

1873
01:38:19,200 --> 01:38:22,479
Speaker 1: despite promises, the Pentagon failed to make any improvements from

1874
01:38:22,520 --> 01:38:25,320
Speaker 1: the years prior, showing they don't even care about trying

1875
01:38:25,320 --> 01:38:27,599
Speaker 1: to pass the audit at all. Let's continue with stuart.

1876
01:38:27,840 --> 01:38:31,040
Speaker 1: Audit that they have in the military doesn't really look

1877
01:38:31,080 --> 01:38:34,479
Speaker 1: at whether or not there's efficacy. It's just whether they

1878
01:38:34,520 --> 01:38:37,240
Speaker 1: got delivered the thing that they ordered and that that

1879
01:38:37,360 --> 01:38:39,519
Speaker 1: is any audit, that is any audits that is true.

1880
01:38:39,520 --> 01:38:41,960
Speaker 1: But generally those audits aren't four hundred million dollars for

1881
01:38:42,040 --> 01:38:44,360
Speaker 1: raytheon and one point seven trillion dollars for a plane

1882
01:38:44,400 --> 01:38:46,040
Speaker 1: that doesn't seem to be doing like there is a

1883
01:38:46,080 --> 01:38:48,640
Speaker 1: lot of waste, fraud and abuse within assistance audits at

1884
01:38:48,720 --> 01:38:50,880
Speaker 1: waste broad abuse are not the same thing. So let's

1885
01:38:51,240 --> 01:38:53,559
Speaker 1: decompose these. Please educate me on all s. Right, So,

1886
01:38:53,560 --> 01:38:55,720
Speaker 1: an audit is exactly what you just described, which is,

1887
01:38:55,800 --> 01:38:58,240
Speaker 1: do I know what was delivered to which place? The

1888
01:38:58,280 --> 01:39:00,280
Speaker 1: ability to pass an audit or in a the fact

1889
01:39:00,320 --> 01:39:02,480
Speaker 1: that the DEOD has not passed on is not suggestive

1890
01:39:02,520 --> 01:39:05,559
Speaker 1: of waste broaden abuse. That is completely false. Right there

1891
01:39:06,880 --> 01:39:09,160
Speaker 1: now is a question of it's suggestive that we can't

1892
01:39:09,320 --> 01:39:11,960
Speaker 1: we don't have an accurate inventory that we can pull

1893
01:39:12,040 --> 01:39:15,479
Speaker 1: up of what we have where that is not the

1894
01:39:15,479 --> 01:39:17,719
Speaker 1: same as saying we can't do that because waste broaden

1895
01:39:17,760 --> 01:39:21,959
Speaker 1: abuse has occurred. So in my world, yeah, that's waste.

1896
01:39:22,439 --> 01:39:25,760
Speaker 1: Once again, the arrogance of trying to explain like an

1897
01:39:25,800 --> 01:39:30,120
Speaker 1: accountant for a billionaire before an IRS audit. Let's continue,

1898
01:39:30,160 --> 01:39:33,400
Speaker 1: because this is where things become really bonkers. It's a

1899
01:39:33,439 --> 01:39:36,439
Speaker 1: relatively long clip, but it is important for everybody to

1900
01:39:36,439 --> 01:39:39,160
Speaker 1: get this full exchange in all of its glory. In

1901
01:39:39,200 --> 01:39:43,280
Speaker 1: my world, yeah, that's waste. How is that waste? If

1902
01:39:43,280 --> 01:39:45,120
Speaker 1: I give you a billion dollars and you can't tell

1903
01:39:45,120 --> 01:39:47,639
Speaker 1: me what happened to it, that to me is wasteful.

1904
01:39:47,680 --> 01:39:50,240
Speaker 1: That that means you are not necessarily responsible. But if

1905
01:39:50,280 --> 01:39:52,720
Speaker 1: you can't tell me where it went, then what am

1906
01:39:52,720 --> 01:39:55,200
Speaker 1: I supposed to think? And when there has been reporting,

1907
01:39:55,240 --> 01:39:57,599
Speaker 1: I mean, this is not Look I'm not saying this

1908
01:39:57,640 --> 01:40:00,559
Speaker 1: is on you and that you cause this, but I

1909
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Speaker 1: think it's it's a tough argument to make that cause

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Speaker 1: an eight hundred and fifty billion dollar budget to an

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Speaker 1: organization that can't pass an audit and tell you where

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Speaker 1: that money went like, I think most people would consider

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Speaker 1: that somewhere in the realm of waste, fraud or abuse,

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Speaker 1: because they would wonder why that money isn't well accounted for,

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Speaker 1: And especially when they see food and security on military

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Speaker 1: bases and they see you talk about that, because that's

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Speaker 1: a good we should be talking. I mean, I understand

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Speaker 1: where you're trying to go. Other than the dollars, which

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Speaker 1: really bother you, I think it doesn't really bother me.

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Speaker 1: I think it's all connected, Okay. I think when I

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Speaker 1: see that story, tell me how you're that. When I

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Speaker 1: see a state department get a certain amount of money

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Speaker 1: and a military budget be ten times that, and I

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Speaker 1: see a struggle within government to get people like more

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Speaker 1: basic services, and then that department that got that, I mean,

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Speaker 1: we got out of twenty years of war and the

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Speaker 1: Pentagon got a fifty billion dollar raise, Like that's shocking

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Speaker 1: to me. Now. I may not understand exactly the ins

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Speaker 1: and outs and the incredible magic of an audit, but

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Speaker 1: I'm a human being who lives on the earth and

1931
01:41:02,120 --> 01:41:04,920
Speaker 1: can't figure out how eight hundred and fifty billion dollars

1932
01:41:05,120 --> 01:41:07,559
Speaker 1: to a department means that the rank and file still

1933
01:41:07,560 --> 01:41:09,960
Speaker 1: have to be on food stamps. Like, to me, that's

1934
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Speaker 1: fucking corruption. I'm sorry, And I like if that blows

1935
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Speaker 1: your mind, and if you think like that's like a

1936
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Speaker 1: crazy agenda for me to have, I really think that

1937
01:41:20,760 --> 01:41:24,439
Speaker 1: that's institutional thinking. Those exchanges are so important because they

1938
01:41:24,439 --> 01:41:27,840
Speaker 1: get at what Stuart is best at, teasing the absurdity

1939
01:41:27,920 --> 01:41:30,839
Speaker 1: of the way that Kathleen Hicks is picking her language

1940
01:41:30,880 --> 01:41:33,960
Speaker 1: to distringuish between fake terms like audit and waste, fraud

1941
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Speaker 1: and abuse, while being condescending towards Stuart for not knowing

1942
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Speaker 1: those terms. In reality, she's the crazy one who thinks

1943
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Speaker 1: that if you can't account for sixty percent of assets

1944
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Speaker 1: under management, you're lecturing the people paying you. Then you're

1945
01:41:47,960 --> 01:41:50,439
Speaker 1: the one who needs to be grilled, laughed at, and

1946
01:41:50,479 --> 01:41:52,880
Speaker 1: held to account. And the best point that he has

1947
01:41:53,120 --> 01:41:55,240
Speaker 1: is his argument about the treatment of those who fight

1948
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Speaker 1: in war versus the companies that provide the military with

1949
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Speaker 1: the weapons. The latter half is overpaid, not held to account,

1950
01:42:01,640 --> 01:42:05,040
Speaker 1: lavishly treated, never's met an excuss expense that the Pentagon

1951
01:42:05,080 --> 01:42:08,799
Speaker 1: cannot fund the former Despite you, the ones who actually fight, suffer,

1952
01:42:08,840 --> 01:42:12,680
Speaker 1: and in many cases die, are disregarded and considered negotiable

1953
01:42:12,760 --> 01:42:15,360
Speaker 1: when they come to take for example, the Washington Post

1954
01:42:15,479 --> 01:42:19,360
Speaker 1: editorial board. The Post wrote an editorial encouraging means testing

1955
01:42:19,479 --> 01:42:23,160
Speaker 1: veterans benefits for those who are suffering confirmed disability after

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Speaker 1: their military service. They even gloat that reforms like this

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01:42:26,240 --> 01:42:28,680
Speaker 1: could save billions. They never wrote an op ed for

1958
01:42:29,040 --> 01:42:32,400
Speaker 1: talking about the audit that Crystal tells you everything. That's

1959
01:42:32,439 --> 01:42:34,120
Speaker 1: how the media covers it. It takes a go. And

1960
01:42:34,200 --> 01:42:36,880
Speaker 1: if you want to hear my reaction to Cyber's monologue,

1961
01:42:36,920 --> 01:42:42,839
Speaker 1: become a premium subscriber today at Breakingpoints dot com. Crystal,

1962
01:42:42,840 --> 01:42:44,799
Speaker 1: what are you taking a look at? Well? Guys? On Friday,

1963
01:42:44,960 --> 01:42:49,800
Speaker 1: two separate federal judges issued directly contradictory rulings which set

1964
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Speaker 1: up yet another Supreme Court showdown over abortion rights. First,

1965
01:42:54,120 --> 01:42:56,880
Speaker 1: a district court judge in Texas issued a sweeping ruling

1966
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Speaker 1: that would completely roll back the FAA approval for the

1967
01:42:59,240 --> 01:43:02,880
Speaker 1: abortion ug MiFi pristone. Over fifty percent of abortions in

1968
01:43:02,880 --> 01:43:05,479
Speaker 1: the US are now accomplished using this drug, which was

1969
01:43:05,479 --> 01:43:09,080
Speaker 1: approved over twenty years ago by the FDA. Never in

1970
01:43:09,240 --> 01:43:12,719
Speaker 1: history has a court claimed the ability to unilaterally roll

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01:43:12,800 --> 01:43:15,719
Speaker 1: back a drug approval of abortion drug or anything else

1972
01:43:16,240 --> 01:43:19,280
Speaker 1: superseding the judgment of the government agency that is charged

1973
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Speaker 1: with overseeing drug safety for the judgment of one unelected judge. Now,

1974
01:43:23,760 --> 01:43:26,240
Speaker 1: the fact that mefi pristone has been used safely for

1975
01:43:26,280 --> 01:43:30,000
Speaker 1: more than twenty years makes this decision all the more astonishing,

1976
01:43:30,520 --> 01:43:32,439
Speaker 1: and the safety and efficacy of the drug is not

1977
01:43:32,520 --> 01:43:35,519
Speaker 1: actually in doubt. A recent comprehensive review of one hundred

1978
01:43:35,560 --> 01:43:37,920
Speaker 1: and one different studies involving one hundred and twenty four

1979
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Speaker 1: thousand medication abortions found one death related to an infection

1980
01:43:42,880 --> 01:43:46,720
Speaker 1: from the abortion and one from unrelated causes. But while

1981
01:43:46,760 --> 01:43:49,000
Speaker 1: the use of MiFi pristone is about as risky as

1982
01:43:49,040 --> 01:43:51,760
Speaker 1: taking an aspirin, it's not exactly a pleasant experience because

1983
01:43:51,760 --> 01:43:55,080
Speaker 1: it essentially causes a miscarriage with the associated cramps and bleeding.

1984
01:43:55,560 --> 01:43:58,040
Speaker 1: And it is this unpleasantness that this judge used to

1985
01:43:58,120 --> 01:44:00,640
Speaker 1: insist the drug is not safe in the face of

1986
01:44:00,800 --> 01:44:04,559
Speaker 1: overwhelming evidence to the contrary. I'm trying to be sober

1987
01:44:04,600 --> 01:44:06,599
Speaker 1: in fact, based on all of this, but it cannot

1988
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Speaker 1: be overstated how much of an anti abortion ideologue this

1989
01:44:10,200 --> 01:44:12,640
Speaker 1: judge reveals himself to be in this ruling. So on

1990
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Speaker 1: page one he includes a note about how he will

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Speaker 1: insist on using the loaded term unborn human or unborn

1992
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Speaker 1: child to refer to a fetus at any stage of development,

1993
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Speaker 1: which would really be something in any context, but especially

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01:44:25,600 --> 01:44:28,759
Speaker 1: since this particular medication is only used in the early

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01:44:28,880 --> 01:44:32,960
Speaker 1: weeks of a pregnancy, long before viability. He also gives

1996
01:44:33,120 --> 01:44:36,320
Speaker 1: multiple nods to the fringe idea that a fetus should

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01:44:36,400 --> 01:44:40,080
Speaker 1: have all the same rights as an adult person. Now,

1998
01:44:40,120 --> 01:44:42,720
Speaker 1: the logical conclusion of such a view is obviously that

1999
01:44:42,800 --> 01:44:46,160
Speaker 1: abortion should be banned nationwide and Alabama and California alike.

2000
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Speaker 1: And if that wasn't enough, this judge also frames abortion

2001
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Speaker 1: as being equivalent to eugenics. So caxmerik, that's the name

2002
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Speaker 1: of the judge, really not hiding the ball here in

2003
01:44:55,880 --> 01:44:59,280
Speaker 1: terms of his own personal zelotry. Even putting aside the

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Speaker 1: fetal person who stuff though, which could lead to an

2005
01:45:01,360 --> 01:45:05,599
Speaker 1: all out ban, this decision would have a dramatic impact,

2006
01:45:05,880 --> 01:45:08,439
Speaker 1: ending availability of the most common form of abortion, not

2007
01:45:08,479 --> 01:45:10,720
Speaker 1: just in red states, but in every state in the

2008
01:45:10,840 --> 01:45:15,200
Speaker 1: entire nation, thereby exposing the lie that the Dabbs decision

2009
01:45:15,240 --> 01:45:17,120
Speaker 1: is really just about allowing each state to choose the

2010
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Speaker 1: abortion regulations that are culturally appropriate for their populations, as

2011
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Speaker 1: determined through a democratic process. This judge in Texas would

2012
01:45:24,000 --> 01:45:28,120
Speaker 1: seek to impose his own personal, radical interpretation of morality

2013
01:45:28,360 --> 01:45:31,599
Speaker 1: on the whole country. But mere hours later, another federal

2014
01:45:31,680 --> 01:45:35,320
Speaker 1: judge issued a separate ruling that is a direct contradiction

2015
01:45:35,400 --> 01:45:38,440
Speaker 1: to the one which would ban mifipristone in all fifty states.

2016
01:45:38,680 --> 01:45:42,120
Speaker 1: So a Washington State judge issued an injunction which would

2017
01:45:42,160 --> 01:45:45,559
Speaker 1: bar the FDA from altering the status quo with regard

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01:45:45,640 --> 01:45:48,200
Speaker 1: to the drug. So, just to be clear, the Texas

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01:45:48,320 --> 01:45:50,200
Speaker 1: judge has now told the FBA the drug must be

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01:45:50,240 --> 01:45:53,479
Speaker 1: blocked from use everywhere. The Washington judge has said it

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01:45:53,520 --> 01:45:55,680
Speaker 1: must still be allowed in the states where it is

2022
01:45:55,720 --> 01:45:59,160
Speaker 1: currently in use. Now, the Texas judge did issue a

2023
01:45:59,200 --> 01:46:01,800
Speaker 1: five day stay while the Fifth Circuit reviews a Biden

2024
01:46:01,840 --> 01:46:05,120
Speaker 1: administration appeal, But the Fifth Circuit is the most conservative

2025
01:46:05,160 --> 01:46:07,519
Speaker 1: in the country. Legal analysts seem to expect it to

2026
01:46:07,680 --> 01:46:11,360
Speaker 1: uphold this ruling, so in the mean way, meantime, there

2027
01:46:11,400 --> 01:46:13,680
Speaker 1: is actually no way for the FDA to comply with

2028
01:46:13,840 --> 01:46:16,519
Speaker 1: both of these rulings. The most sensible course, and the

2029
01:46:16,560 --> 01:46:18,320
Speaker 1: one they will most likely pursue, is to use their

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Speaker 1: enforcement discretion maintain the status quo until this impasse is resolved.

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01:46:23,080 --> 01:46:25,599
Speaker 1: And the only way this impasse can really be resolved

2032
01:46:25,800 --> 01:46:29,400
Speaker 1: is through the Supreme Court. Now, it's ironic, it's also predictable.

2033
01:46:29,439 --> 01:46:31,680
Speaker 1: In their dabs ruling or returning Row versus Way, the

2034
01:46:31,680 --> 01:46:33,840
Speaker 1: Court made a big show claiming they be washing their

2035
01:46:33,840 --> 01:46:36,000
Speaker 1: hands of abortion frame and decision as a sort of

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01:46:36,040 --> 01:46:38,400
Speaker 1: gift for democracy, allowing the citizens of every state to

2037
01:46:38,439 --> 01:46:41,240
Speaker 1: now legislate for themselves. This was always a farce, as

2038
01:46:41,280 --> 01:46:44,760
Speaker 1: a religious right, including presidential contender Mike Pence, immediately began

2039
01:46:44,880 --> 01:46:49,080
Speaker 1: agitating for a federally passed national abortion ban. Cases such

2040
01:46:49,080 --> 01:46:51,639
Speaker 1: as the one presided over by the Texas judge also

2041
01:46:51,680 --> 01:46:55,920
Speaker 1: expose that hardcore anti abortion activists will not be satisfied

2042
01:46:55,920 --> 01:46:58,240
Speaker 1: with letting each state just figure it out for themselves.

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01:46:58,680 --> 01:47:02,000
Speaker 1: They believe a one day fetus is a person with

2044
01:47:02,120 --> 01:47:04,640
Speaker 1: full rights and will not be content to allow California

2045
01:47:04,640 --> 01:47:08,320
Speaker 1: to continue what they see as a mass genocide. After all,

2046
01:47:08,600 --> 01:47:11,800
Speaker 1: they played the long game very effectively on overturning Row

2047
01:47:11,880 --> 01:47:14,599
Speaker 1: and managed to pull it off after decades of organizing

2048
01:47:14,640 --> 01:47:17,920
Speaker 1: and dogged determination. Not because they went over public opinion,

2049
01:47:18,200 --> 01:47:21,000
Speaker 1: but because they knew how to exploit the most undemocratic

2050
01:47:21,080 --> 01:47:23,800
Speaker 1: parts of our current system. Now, in my opinion, this

2051
01:47:23,880 --> 01:47:26,439
Speaker 1: is all a disaster for women, especially working class women,

2052
01:47:26,479 --> 01:47:28,639
Speaker 1: since rich women have always had access to the care

2053
01:47:28,680 --> 01:47:32,080
Speaker 1: that they want. But it's also an unmitigated disaster for

2054
01:47:32,120 --> 01:47:36,400
Speaker 1: the Republican Party. Last week alone, they got destroyed in

2055
01:47:36,439 --> 01:47:39,519
Speaker 1: the quintessential swing state of Wisconsin because their extreme position

2056
01:47:39,560 --> 01:47:42,280
Speaker 1: on abortion is so toxic to moderates and so motivating

2057
01:47:42,280 --> 01:47:46,240
Speaker 1: to young progressives. In particular, young Wisconsin college students apparently

2058
01:47:46,280 --> 01:47:49,400
Speaker 1: turn out in droves for a state Supreme Court race,

2059
01:47:49,760 --> 01:47:53,120
Speaker 1: which normally would be an incredibly sleepy affair, all because

2060
01:47:53,160 --> 01:47:55,439
Speaker 1: the fate of abortion rights in the state was clearly

2061
01:47:55,479 --> 01:47:58,160
Speaker 1: on the ballot. Their numbers for a spring race such

2062
01:47:58,160 --> 01:48:01,599
Speaker 1: as this were truly unprecedent. Now you can already see

2063
01:48:01,600 --> 01:48:04,519
Speaker 1: how uncomfortable Republicans are in the wake of these rulings.

2064
01:48:04,720 --> 01:48:08,200
Speaker 1: Democrats put statements out immediately decrying the abortion pill ban.

2065
01:48:08,560 --> 01:48:12,160
Speaker 1: Republicans like this member of Congress did everything they could

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01:48:12,200 --> 01:48:14,080
Speaker 1: to try to avoid the topic. But I just want

2067
01:48:14,080 --> 01:48:16,160
Speaker 1: to point one important thing out, which is that myth

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01:48:16,200 --> 01:48:19,360
Speaker 1: of prestone isn't just used for abortion It's also frequently

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01:48:19,400 --> 01:48:23,040
Speaker 1: prescribed for women experiencing a miscarriage, and by some estimates,

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01:48:23,080 --> 01:48:26,320
Speaker 1: as many as one million women miscarry every single year.

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01:48:26,600 --> 01:48:28,439
Speaker 1: So are they just on their own if this ruling

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01:48:28,520 --> 01:48:32,559
Speaker 1: is a phole a pelp No. I think it's important

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01:48:32,560 --> 01:48:34,400
Speaker 1: that we take care of women, and it's important that

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01:48:34,400 --> 01:48:37,720
Speaker 1: we have real discussions on women's healthcare and get off

2075
01:48:37,720 --> 01:48:40,280
Speaker 1: the abortion, get off the you know, the abortion conversation.

2076
01:48:40,640 --> 01:48:43,080
Speaker 1: Women have a whole lot more other issues than just abortion.

2077
01:48:43,360 --> 01:48:45,680
Speaker 1: Let's have those real conversations and let's talk about you know,

2078
01:48:45,800 --> 01:48:47,720
Speaker 1: let's talk about the other things that are happening in

2079
01:48:47,760 --> 01:48:51,080
Speaker 1: this world. You know, I've got a picture of Emily,

2080
01:48:51,439 --> 01:48:54,840
Speaker 1: Emilia and Maria. They recently passed away three weeks ago.

2081
01:48:55,040 --> 01:48:57,080
Speaker 1: Do it to a smuggler in my district? What does

2082
01:48:57,080 --> 01:48:59,240
Speaker 1: that mean? That means there's all these other things happening

2083
01:48:59,240 --> 01:49:01,280
Speaker 1: in the world, especially in my district. I've got a

2084
01:49:01,280 --> 01:49:03,639
Speaker 1: district that's turned upside down due to this border crisis.

2085
01:49:03,640 --> 01:49:06,760
Speaker 1: There's everyday people that are impacted on this crisis, to

2086
01:49:06,760 --> 01:49:08,800
Speaker 1: include the Tembungas. He may as well just come out

2087
01:49:08,840 --> 01:49:10,280
Speaker 1: and said, please, with the love of God, can we

2088
01:49:10,320 --> 01:49:12,000
Speaker 1: talk about an issue that pulls a little bit better

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Speaker 1: for Republicans. Now Americans, I think they tend to have

2090
01:49:14,640 --> 01:49:17,200
Speaker 1: moderate views on abortion. Whichever party seems like they're taking

2091
01:49:17,280 --> 01:49:19,599
Speaker 1: extreme stance is going to find themselves on the losing

2092
01:49:19,720 --> 01:49:22,600
Speaker 1: end of this fraud and morally complicated issue. With the

2093
01:49:22,600 --> 01:49:25,280
Speaker 1: overturning of Row, there is no more moderate ground for

2094
01:49:25,320 --> 01:49:28,360
Speaker 1: the Republicans to fight on. Every push to further erod

2095
01:49:28,400 --> 01:49:31,679
Speaker 1: the rights that still exist is an extreme position. According

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01:49:31,760 --> 01:49:35,439
Speaker 1: to Gallup, only thirteen percent at this point agree with

2097
01:49:35,520 --> 01:49:39,720
Speaker 1: abortion being banned in all circumstances, So even most Republican

2098
01:49:40,000 --> 01:49:42,880
Speaker 1: voters do not agree with the religious right position. And

2099
01:49:42,920 --> 01:49:45,080
Speaker 1: if Republican elites we're hoping maybe people are just going

2100
01:49:45,160 --> 01:49:46,800
Speaker 1: to move on and forget about the fact that thirteen

2101
01:49:46,880 --> 01:49:49,080
Speaker 1: year olds are now forced to have their rapist babies

2102
01:49:49,080 --> 01:49:52,520
Speaker 1: in plenty of places in this country, they're delusional. Wisconsin

2103
01:49:52,600 --> 01:49:55,160
Speaker 1: shows people are not moving on, and the fate of

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01:49:55,200 --> 01:49:58,519
Speaker 1: medication abortion heading the Supreme Court shows the issue it's

2105
01:49:58,560 --> 01:50:02,240
Speaker 1: not going away. Hanani actually recently wrote this on Twitter.

2106
01:50:02,280 --> 01:50:06,120
Speaker 1: He wrote, being the pro life party maybe incompatible with

2107
01:50:06,200 --> 01:50:10,040
Speaker 1: being competitive anywhere outside Appalachia in the South. We assume

2108
01:50:10,120 --> 01:50:13,320
Speaker 1: because the country has been evenly divided, it'll stay that way,

2109
01:50:13,520 --> 01:50:18,280
Speaker 1: but Dems might be moving towards permanent majority. So Republicans,

2110
01:50:18,360 --> 01:50:21,680
Speaker 1: if you like losing by eleven points in Wisconsin, fifteen

2111
01:50:21,720 --> 01:50:25,479
Speaker 1: points in Pennsylvania, ten points in Michigan, well you're right

2112
01:50:25,520 --> 01:50:28,320
Speaker 1: on track, guys, and the powerful movement which brought victory

2113
01:50:28,360 --> 01:50:31,040
Speaker 1: at the Supreme Court after decades of law fair they

2114
01:50:31,040 --> 01:50:35,559
Speaker 1: have no intention of stopping now. So there's a complicated

2115
01:50:35,640 --> 01:50:39,240
Speaker 1: legal situation here because you have two judges issuing contradictory rulings.

2116
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Speaker 1: And if you want to hear my reaction to Crystal's monologue,

2117
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Speaker 1: become a premium subscriber today at Breakingpoints dot com. All right,

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Speaker 1: we'll see you guys later. Thank you so much for

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Speaker 1: watching us. We really appreciate it. It It was a huge

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Speaker 1: show for us to be able to obtain those documents,

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Speaker 1: bring as much as we can. We're going to continue

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Speaker 1: to sift our way through them and all of that,

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Speaker 1: and it was a big deal for us, and just

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Speaker 1: a reminder also of how much we appreciate so many

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Speaker 1: of the premium subs who are out there who have

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Speaker 1: our back and enable the work that we do. So

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Speaker 1: we love you, and we will see you all tomorrow,