WEBVTT - What's the deal with sinkholes?

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<v Speaker 1>Brought to you by the reinvented two thousand twelve Camray.

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<v Speaker 1>It's ready. Are you welcome to Stuff you Should Know

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<v Speaker 1>from House Stuff Works dot Com? Hey, and welcome to

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<v Speaker 1>the podcast. I'm Josh Clark. There's Chaz Bryant that makes

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<v Speaker 1>this stuff you should know? S y s K. You

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<v Speaker 1>realize if we release every week the five minutes before

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<v Speaker 1>we podcast, like we could make them. We could make

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<v Speaker 1>money on that, especially if you said, to the Benny

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<v Speaker 1>Hill music, that is the gold, this is the silver. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I would, I would call that the platinum in this

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<v Speaker 1>the goal. Okay, how about that? Just to be contrary though,

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<v Speaker 1>just no bronze. Those guys are losers, bronze medal winners. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>third place bronze. I don't even know why you'd like

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<v Speaker 1>bring it home just leaving on the plane in that

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<v Speaker 1>little magazine pocket in front of you. Um, chuck, Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>I know that you have been to Guatemala, and I

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<v Speaker 1>know that you know. I've been to Guatemala too. Jerry's

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<v Speaker 1>been there, and we learned pretty quickly that Guatemala has

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<v Speaker 1>it hard. But um, we also learned that translated into

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<v Speaker 1>English from I think Spanish, Guatemala means God's whipping post.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, I thought you're gonna say land of many sinkholes.

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<v Speaker 1>That's just one of the many problems facing Guatemala. Yeah. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>we talked, you know, extensively about mud slides, about civil war,

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<v Speaker 1>just about all these problems that Guatemala has, and uh

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<v Speaker 1>this past week, this past weekend, Guatemala faced even more problems.

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<v Speaker 1>Last week there was a volcanic eruption volcano like twenty

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<v Speaker 1>click south of Guatemala City, started raining ash down and

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<v Speaker 1>then incomes Hurricane Agatha from the Pacific. I think, um

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<v Speaker 1>to get rid of all the ash, but flood the area,

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<v Speaker 1>UM create mud slides, kill a hundred and eighty people.

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<v Speaker 1>And then getting to the point of this podcast, hasten

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<v Speaker 1>a major sinkhole that's almost unbelievable looking in the middle

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<v Speaker 1>of Guatemala City. Yeah. All our Facebook lit up with

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<v Speaker 1>fans saying, have you seen this sinkhole picture? It looks

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<v Speaker 1>it was, Yeah, it does. It looks completely fake. It

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<v Speaker 1>is uh sixty six ft across twenty and uh almost

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<v Speaker 1>a hundred feet deep. But when you look at it,

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<v Speaker 1>it looks like the very gates of Hell have opened up.

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<v Speaker 1>It looks and considering there's a building in there and

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<v Speaker 1>that you can't even see it swallowed a three story

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<v Speaker 1>apartment building. Yeah. Well, now it was a factory, it wasn't. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it was a clothing factory. Um. And they said that

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<v Speaker 1>the guys who worked there, the people who work there,

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<v Speaker 1>left at six in the afternoon, an hour before the

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<v Speaker 1>earth opened up, so they got out. And then there's

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<v Speaker 1>some security guard too that had a schedule altered that

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<v Speaker 1>earlier that day, so he wasn't there. So just like

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<v Speaker 1>the church group that, like every buddy um in the fifties,

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<v Speaker 1>everybody showed up late to this um like church choir practice. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>and for all these different reasons, like all like twelve

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<v Speaker 1>or fifteen people were put were delayed and getting to

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<v Speaker 1>the practice, and the church happened to catch fire, and

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<v Speaker 1>had they all gotten there on time, they would have

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<v Speaker 1>burned to death. One imagines at the very least thing

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<v Speaker 1>I had to have gotten out of the church good fortune. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So well, I guess maybe God does like Guatemala a

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<v Speaker 1>little maybe so maybe he just doesn't overtly hate it

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<v Speaker 1>like we thought. Yeah, this sinkhole was um, like you said, Saturday,

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<v Speaker 1>and um three miles from a similar sinkhole from what

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<v Speaker 1>was that two thousand seven? Yeah, yeah, the residents have

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<v Speaker 1>been complaining of all of the signs of sink whole's developing.

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<v Speaker 1>One happening two years earlier. That's a pretty big sign.

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<v Speaker 1>But then there's also creaking noise. Is um, the pavement

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<v Speaker 1>isn't exactly you know, perfectly flat. Um. There there's been

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<v Speaker 1>uh slight tremors maybe, yeah, I think. And they said

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<v Speaker 1>in the O seven one which f y I was

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<v Speaker 1>three hundred and thirty ft deep, and it appeared instantly,

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<v Speaker 1>almost instantly, killing three at least three people and like

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<v Speaker 1>swallowed at homes. They said that they felt the ground

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<v Speaker 1>shaking a month before it appeared, and that at the

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<v Speaker 1>time the government was going to send down like a

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<v Speaker 1>robotic camera. But it's Guatemala, so they were like, where

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<v Speaker 1>do we get a robotic camera? So it never happened. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>that is a good point, chuck. Um. It's a kind

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<v Speaker 1>of an evil point, but it's a good point, right yeah. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>So we're talking about sink Cole's here. This one's not

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<v Speaker 1>about tropical storms, hurricanes, mud slides, right. I alway should

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<v Speaker 1>mention though that our friends at co ED and Guatemala

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<v Speaker 1>are all okay. They sent word and we posted on

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<v Speaker 1>Facebook that they weren't affected and everyone's doing fine down there. Awesome, Okay, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>we're good. So what what what's the deal with the sinkhole? Josh? Well,

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<v Speaker 1>it depends on who you ask, schuckers Um. One of

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<v Speaker 1>our fellow colleague coworkers over at Discovery News, guy named

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<v Speaker 1>Michael Riley, had a blog post um that interviewed a

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<v Speaker 1>Guatemalan based geologist who's like, do not call that a sinkhole?

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<v Speaker 1>That is not a sinkhole. And he's like, well, what

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<v Speaker 1>would you call it? He said, I would call it

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<v Speaker 1>a piping feature. And I'm pretty sure the guy made

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<v Speaker 1>that term up. I think he did too. We did

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<v Speaker 1>a Google search for piping feature and it brought up

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<v Speaker 1>a description of pajamas, baseball uniform has something to do

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<v Speaker 1>with email possibly uh, and that's it. There's no there's

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<v Speaker 1>no geological feature formation or happening that's called a piping feature.

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<v Speaker 1>So this guy was like, don't call a sinkhole. Let's

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<v Speaker 1>all call it this term that I just made up. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>that's how you coin a term, my friend. It is,

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<v Speaker 1>But I don't think you need to be using Michael

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<v Speaker 1>Riley's blog to do it at the very least to

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<v Speaker 1>say and I just made that up, you know. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>um man made sinkhole is what I think it is, right, Well,

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<v Speaker 1>he What he was talking about though, was the the

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<v Speaker 1>the bedrock under Guatemala is actually old volcanic deposits, and

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<v Speaker 1>usually with sinkhole's what you're talking about is a different

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<v Speaker 1>kind of bedrock that's actually bedrock. It's not volcanic, it

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't just deposited thereby, you know, something spewing it um

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<v Speaker 1>and you have things like limestone, dolomite. Yeah, my favorite

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<v Speaker 1>mineral basult. Wait, how did we ever come up with

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<v Speaker 1>how to say that? I think it's basalt, one of

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<v Speaker 1>those two gypsum. Yeah, the the carbonate or what's the

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<v Speaker 1>other evaporate evaporate classes of rocks, right, Yes, that is

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<v Speaker 1>typically what is underneath what's called the overburden, and the

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<v Speaker 1>overburden is just the soil that's on top of all that. Right. So,

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<v Speaker 1>for those of you who have never tried this, if

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<v Speaker 1>you go out in your backyard and dig a hole,

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<v Speaker 1>eventually you're gonna run out of dirt and you're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>hit rock. Yeah, and when you run out of dirt,

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<v Speaker 1>you you can say I have dug through the overburden

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<v Speaker 1>and have now made contact with the bedrock. Right. And

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<v Speaker 1>the reason you mentioned all this is because that's how

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<v Speaker 1>sinkhole forms, at least this type of sinkhole. You have

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<v Speaker 1>to dig it up exactly the bedrock underneath the overburden.

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<v Speaker 1>It gets uh whittled away by water. This turns acidic

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<v Speaker 1>from absorbing c O two and interacting with plants, so

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<v Speaker 1>it carves out a little conduits, little pathways of sort

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<v Speaker 1>of like an underwater stream almost right, very much like that,

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<v Speaker 1>And then it loosens the soil, and then then soil

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<v Speaker 1>starts to fall down in these cracks. And although the

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<v Speaker 1>surface and the overbird may look okay up top, this

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<v Speaker 1>is why they seem to happen like overnight, there's just

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<v Speaker 1>a lot going on underneath it. We don't see right

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<v Speaker 1>for weeks, months, years. Sure, you know EON's that kind

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<v Speaker 1>of thing. Um. So when the when the water whittles away, say, um,

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<v Speaker 1>a chamber the future sinkhole, which you can also call

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<v Speaker 1>a cave. When you're going caving, what you're doing is

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<v Speaker 1>walking through basically a dry conduit sinkhole system. Right, good point.

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<v Speaker 1>So when the uh, the sinkholes formed right whettle away

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<v Speaker 1>by water and the overburden starts spilling into it, which

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<v Speaker 1>is called spawling. It's spawling, right, Um. That means that

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<v Speaker 1>there is much less of it above. It's like an

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<v Speaker 1>hour glass basically, yeah. Right, And then when somebody walks

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<v Speaker 1>on it, drives on it, builds a building on it. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>that that salt, what appeared to be solid, is now

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<v Speaker 1>in the bottom of this hole. Yeah. And oftentimes it

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<v Speaker 1>can um that the what I called the overburden is

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<v Speaker 1>solid enough to hold up even though it might be

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<v Speaker 1>hollow underneath. It can hold up for a little while

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<v Speaker 1>if nothing is on it. But like you said, the

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<v Speaker 1>problem comes when something is planted on top of it,

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<v Speaker 1>like a car, right, And that's actually called a cover

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<v Speaker 1>collapse sinkhole. And that's what we think of like for sinkholes,

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<v Speaker 1>these really dramatic, sudden, holy cow sinkholes. Right. I would

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<v Speaker 1>like to call it the coolest sinkhole, but since you know,

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<v Speaker 1>people do die, Yeah, exactly, Chuck. There's two other kinds

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<v Speaker 1>of sinkholes, right, um that are slightly less dramatic. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>the cover cover subsidence sinkhole. Yeah, this is this is

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<v Speaker 1>possibly the least dramatic syncole. Basically it is, Um, this

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<v Speaker 1>is this is a very similar process happens, except uh,

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<v Speaker 1>you get the impression it happens much more slowly, right

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<v Speaker 1>Chuck was talking about. Imagine like, um, a straw coming

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<v Speaker 1>into you know those little nitro sock side tubes, the

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<v Speaker 1>little chargers. Yeah, for like for the little industrial arts

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<v Speaker 1>cars that you made sure or making whipped cream or whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>You know. Um, you've got a straw going into one

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<v Speaker 1>of those in a straw coming out. So it's like narrow, narrow,

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<v Speaker 1>fat narrow. Again, that would be like conduit sinkhole or cave, um,

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<v Speaker 1>because it's pretty much a cave until the top collapses. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>and then conduit again. All right, So these conduits allow

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<v Speaker 1>water to go in and out, but as spalling occurs,

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<v Speaker 1>the the dirt, the sediment, the overburden the soil spills

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<v Speaker 1>into the loose parts right right, and it can clog

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<v Speaker 1>up the conduits. Right. So what you have then for

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<v Speaker 1>the cover subsidence sinkhole is basically just a depression in

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<v Speaker 1>the earth, but a dirt depression and a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>times they're not very big either. We're talking like a

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<v Speaker 1>few feet. Right. One of the ways across one of

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<v Speaker 1>the ways to deal with the sinkhole small one is

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<v Speaker 1>to fill it with sand and boom bang bam. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's what the Florida Management UH District says. And Florida's

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<v Speaker 1>kind of allows you with sinkholes because of all the sand.

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<v Speaker 1>But these cover subsidence. Sinkholes often turned into ponds because

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<v Speaker 1>rainwater starts collecting, it has nowhere to go because the

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<v Speaker 1>kinduests are blocked, and bam, you get yourself a brand

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<v Speaker 1>spanking new pond and it's good fishing. Yes, it is,

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<v Speaker 1>I imagine. Uh. And then the third one, chuck a

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<v Speaker 1>dissolution or solution sink coole. Are you starting to see

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<v Speaker 1>a pattern here? Not spilling, spawling, dissolution or solution sinkhole. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a geology. It's like take your pick. Yeah that

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<v Speaker 1>these are um actually not as dramatic either, And that's

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<v Speaker 1>usually if you just have like a thin overburden that

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<v Speaker 1>washes away and the rhodes over time and umposes the bedrock. Yeah, exposed.

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<v Speaker 1>I always want to say twitch twitch after you say

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<v Speaker 1>bed rock each time from the flint Stones remember that, No,

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<v Speaker 1>you're like flint Stones. I mean I remember the flint

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<v Speaker 1>Stones and they lived in Bedrock. But what's the twitch

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<v Speaker 1>the that was the one episode where they had the

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<v Speaker 1>movie star singer come to town, Tony Kurt Rock or

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<v Speaker 1>was Yeah, and that was a song in Bedrock twitch

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<v Speaker 1>twitch I don't remember that one. Wow, showing my age.

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<v Speaker 1>I like the one with Mr. Rock She's a hot cartoon. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's so funny that all the names were like rock oriented.

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<v Speaker 1>Never figured that one out because they lived in the

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<v Speaker 1>Stone Age's just kidding, um. But the big rack of

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<v Speaker 1>ribs on the car that tipped the car where that

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<v Speaker 1>was normal? That was a Bronosurus rib rack. Yeah, that's

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<v Speaker 1>good eating. That's what they ate in the Stone Age. Yes, So,

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<v Speaker 1>like you said, you can get a new um, a

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<v Speaker 1>new pond when you have a dissolution syinnkhole. Is that

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<v Speaker 1>where we were, Yeah, you can get a pond from

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<v Speaker 1>that to Basically, the difference between a cover subsidence and

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<v Speaker 1>a dissolution sinkhole is one is possibly grassy right, the

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<v Speaker 1>other is exposed rock right, So a grassy depression both

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<v Speaker 1>can be ponds. Both of them have their conduits covered. Really,

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<v Speaker 1>when you think a sinkhole, the one we're talking about

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<v Speaker 1>is the cover collapse. Oh my god, save me, sink whole.

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<v Speaker 1>So we need to talk about human beings and what

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<v Speaker 1>we can do. There's actually those you know, a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of those are naturally occurring sinkholes just because of erosion.

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<v Speaker 1>But humans can actually contribute to sinkholes, uh, in a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of ways. Yeah, I mean think about it. We

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<v Speaker 1>talked about reservoir induced seismicity. Yeah, same deal, that's just

0:13:05.920 --> 0:13:08.920
<v Speaker 1>the tip of the iceberg. Totally. We are really screwing

0:13:09.000 --> 0:13:14.600
<v Speaker 1>with the geophysical properties of Mother Earth. I'm constantly amazed

0:13:14.840 --> 0:13:17.160
<v Speaker 1>every time I go to New York that New York

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<v Speaker 1>is still like a standing, functioning city for now. Yeah,

0:13:22.080 --> 0:13:25.080
<v Speaker 1>well it's true. Well yeah, let's hope it's keeps standing

0:13:25.120 --> 0:13:30.000
<v Speaker 1>for at least the next week exactly. Uh, drilling, Josh, mining,

0:13:31.040 --> 0:13:36.200
<v Speaker 1>um foot traffic, vehicle traffic, increased water flow, broken pipes.

0:13:36.559 --> 0:13:38.640
<v Speaker 1>The other thing that you know, we talked about humans

0:13:38.640 --> 0:13:43.839
<v Speaker 1>causing an earthquake, extracting water from the subsurface. That can

0:13:43.920 --> 0:13:46.920
<v Speaker 1>be a big problem CAUs sinkholes. So that's how man.

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<v Speaker 1>Those are just a few ways that man can create

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<v Speaker 1>one basically, and that's what they think happened in Guatemala,

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<v Speaker 1>right yeah, um, basically with plumbing, and we have the

0:13:56.600 --> 0:13:59.120
<v Speaker 1>same problem here in Atlanta. I'm a little nervous to

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<v Speaker 1>admit our sewer system is like a hundred years old.

0:14:03.440 --> 0:14:07.959
<v Speaker 1>Guatemala cities is not too much older, you know, or younger.

0:14:07.960 --> 0:14:11.280
<v Speaker 1>It's right about the same age. Um. So a sewer

0:14:11.360 --> 0:14:15.600
<v Speaker 1>pipe bursts, right and you think, well, okay, this is

0:14:15.840 --> 0:14:18.960
<v Speaker 1>very bad. Erodes the soil because of the water movement,

0:14:19.480 --> 0:14:23.640
<v Speaker 1>not just that it has it. It provides a double whammy. Actually, um,

0:14:23.720 --> 0:14:26.440
<v Speaker 1>it erodes the dirt and it actually gives it a

0:14:26.480 --> 0:14:31.920
<v Speaker 1>place to be carried away through that first sewer pipe.

0:14:32.400 --> 0:14:34.720
<v Speaker 1>So imagine the sewer pipe and then bam, it burst

0:14:34.760 --> 0:14:37.480
<v Speaker 1>and there's a big hole there. The spewing water, the

0:14:37.520 --> 0:14:41.200
<v Speaker 1>water pressure is just eroding soil above it, right uh.

0:14:41.240 --> 0:14:44.920
<v Speaker 1>And it's it's eroding the overburden and and then it's

0:14:44.960 --> 0:14:47.480
<v Speaker 1>also this big hole in the pipe is giving a

0:14:47.520 --> 0:14:51.080
<v Speaker 1>place for the soil to be taken away. So it's

0:14:51.320 --> 0:14:54.280
<v Speaker 1>eroding it taking it away, creating a cavern and the

0:14:54.400 --> 0:14:57.200
<v Speaker 1>bam and that's yeah, that's exactly what happened in Guatemala

0:14:57.240 --> 0:14:59.960
<v Speaker 1>City both times. Well, actually the I mean I read

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<v Speaker 1>today they said they still aren't sure what happened in

0:15:02.360 --> 0:15:06.720
<v Speaker 1>this most that's what happened, Okay, they said, the guys

0:15:06.720 --> 0:15:08.560
<v Speaker 1>that we have to descend into it to find out

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<v Speaker 1>what happened. The guy who called it a piping feature, No,

0:15:11.480 --> 0:15:17.160
<v Speaker 1>it was some other guy that you like better. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>let's talk about Polk County, Florida. Yeah, I think we should.

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<v Speaker 1>That was a human caused sinkhole. And here's what's going

0:15:23.000 --> 0:15:25.920
<v Speaker 1>on in Florida. You know when you use for fertilizer

0:15:25.960 --> 0:15:29.160
<v Speaker 1>in your yard, which and you'd like to do, Yeah,

0:15:30.120 --> 0:15:32.760
<v Speaker 1>it's got phosphate in it, and about thirty of the

0:15:32.880 --> 0:15:38.320
<v Speaker 1>entire world's phosphate. Uh stash comes from Florida. So the

0:15:38.360 --> 0:15:41.600
<v Speaker 1>problem with this stuff is this radioactive Miley radioactive. And

0:15:41.640 --> 0:15:44.080
<v Speaker 1>so Florida said, well, well, here's what we're gonna do.

0:15:44.080 --> 0:15:46.800
<v Speaker 1>We're gonna stack it up and huge stacks, so it's

0:15:46.800 --> 0:15:49.880
<v Speaker 1>all in one place, and we're talking hundreds of acres,

0:15:50.240 --> 0:15:55.640
<v Speaker 1>millions of tons. The result, years later, in central Florida,

0:15:56.040 --> 0:16:00.200
<v Speaker 1>a billion tons of it basically created a sinkhole. The

0:16:00.200 --> 0:16:05.320
<v Speaker 1>weight crushed the sand underneath it and create a huge sinkhole. Right, Yeah,

0:16:05.360 --> 0:16:09.000
<v Speaker 1>Florida is already. Um what what's known as a CARST

0:16:09.040 --> 0:16:14.280
<v Speaker 1>region and CARST region is it's a type of topography. Yes, yes,

0:16:14.640 --> 0:16:16.720
<v Speaker 1>And if you want to see some cool video on

0:16:16.800 --> 0:16:21.080
<v Speaker 1>a carst on CARST regions, um, check out watersheds dot

0:16:21.200 --> 0:16:26.800
<v Speaker 1>org slash earth slash krst awesome stuff. Um and uh,

0:16:27.360 --> 0:16:29.960
<v Speaker 1>CARST region is basically it's a type of topography that

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<v Speaker 1>features a lot of caverns, sinkholes, um springs, all this

0:16:35.520 --> 0:16:40.080
<v Speaker 1>geological these geological features created by the movement of water. Right, Um,

0:16:40.120 --> 0:16:43.080
<v Speaker 1>Florida is lousy with this stuff. But then, as you

0:16:43.120 --> 0:16:47.040
<v Speaker 1>were saying, it had this extra added benefit of billions

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<v Speaker 1>of tons of FoST foot chips radioactive byproducts. And then bam, Yeah,

0:16:51.840 --> 0:16:55.400
<v Speaker 1>and in that one collapse in Polk County, the stuff

0:16:55.560 --> 0:17:00.560
<v Speaker 1>collapsed into the water supply and polluted the entire state supply.

0:17:00.760 --> 0:17:04.160
<v Speaker 1>Yeah that's not good. Well, it's not good. But I mean,

0:17:04.200 --> 0:17:06.199
<v Speaker 1>if I'm gonna go silver lining here, which I'm not

0:17:06.320 --> 0:17:08.960
<v Speaker 1>one to do. Uh, it did make them all take

0:17:08.960 --> 0:17:11.719
<v Speaker 1>a hard look at how they dispose of you know,

0:17:11.800 --> 0:17:14.000
<v Speaker 1>harmful byproducts. Right, They're like, you can't just stack it

0:17:14.080 --> 0:17:17.000
<v Speaker 1>up until it falls through the earth. They're like, well,

0:17:17.080 --> 0:17:20.760
<v Speaker 1>what should we do? Right, and they're still trying to

0:17:20.800 --> 0:17:22.639
<v Speaker 1>answer that one. Yeah, which I took. Took a lot

0:17:22.680 --> 0:17:24.960
<v Speaker 1>of money in time that would clean up their water supply. Yeah,

0:17:25.040 --> 0:17:27.640
<v Speaker 1>and chuck, let's get in our balloon and go over

0:17:27.680 --> 0:17:30.359
<v Speaker 1>to Barzynski, Russia. We haven't been our balloon in a

0:17:30.400 --> 0:17:32.399
<v Speaker 1>long time. I know it's got a little dusty you

0:17:32.440 --> 0:17:34.159
<v Speaker 1>need to clean up in here. I know there's a

0:17:34.200 --> 0:17:37.080
<v Speaker 1>dead raccoon in the corner that's creepy. Yeah, don't look

0:17:37.119 --> 0:17:44.760
<v Speaker 1>at it. Uh. And so in Barzynski, Berezni, Breznicki, Breznicki. Yes, yeah,

0:17:44.800 --> 0:17:47.320
<v Speaker 1>I almost took us to Brezynski. Jeez, that was close.

0:17:47.520 --> 0:17:51.680
<v Speaker 1>We're going to Breznicki Russia. Uh In uh I think

0:17:52.520 --> 0:17:57.920
<v Speaker 1>six They had another fertilizer related sinkhole problem. Right. Pot

0:17:57.920 --> 0:18:02.960
<v Speaker 1>Ash potash, it's actually pot that's what the lady said

0:18:02.960 --> 0:18:07.720
<v Speaker 1>on the pronunciation guide. Really and she said potash. So's

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<v Speaker 1>the robot, that's what we're going with. Yeah, six hundred

0:18:10.640 --> 0:18:13.840
<v Speaker 1>and fifty six ft deep, two d and sixty ft

0:18:13.880 --> 0:18:18.360
<v Speaker 1>LONGDT one ft wide and growing. So for our non

0:18:18.400 --> 0:18:25.080
<v Speaker 1>American non librarian. And then what Burma may be sure. Uh,

0:18:25.400 --> 0:18:29.080
<v Speaker 1>that would be two hundred meters deep, eighty meters long

0:18:29.760 --> 0:18:34.040
<v Speaker 1>and forty wide. That's a huge sinkhole. And the reason

0:18:34.160 --> 0:18:40.760
<v Speaker 1>was they were just removing uh, potash, potash from the

0:18:40.800 --> 0:18:43.639
<v Speaker 1>ground through mine and it became flooded. And that was

0:18:43.720 --> 0:18:48.439
<v Speaker 1>that question. The sink holes always caused massive destruction and

0:18:49.000 --> 0:18:53.040
<v Speaker 1>killed people in swallow buildings. Yes, no, not true. They're

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<v Speaker 1>actually a lot of times you're just kind of like

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<v Speaker 1>an annoyance. Um the ones you can fill with sand, right,

0:19:00.080 --> 0:19:04.080
<v Speaker 1>or ones that aren't around, um, you know, an urban

0:19:04.200 --> 0:19:07.200
<v Speaker 1>civilized area, like if they're out in the boonies, it's

0:19:07.240 --> 0:19:10.119
<v Speaker 1>kind of cool, like really cool. If we're talking about

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<v Speaker 1>the ones in Venezuela, the sorry sorry Nama sinkholes. Did

0:19:15.160 --> 0:19:18.520
<v Speaker 1>you see those things? I saw this picture of them. Yeah,

0:19:18.560 --> 0:19:21.960
<v Speaker 1>well I didn't mean literally have you descended into them?

0:19:22.000 --> 0:19:25.400
<v Speaker 1>But those are really cool because those are in the

0:19:25.440 --> 0:19:28.679
<v Speaker 1>Tapui region, these really high mass Basically it's like at

0:19:28.680 --> 0:19:31.360
<v Speaker 1>the top of a mountain, you'll just see a forest,

0:19:31.560 --> 0:19:36.240
<v Speaker 1>dense forest, and then these huge, perfectly round holes thousand

0:19:36.280 --> 0:19:42.040
<v Speaker 1>ft deep yea deep in these crazy oh yeah, these

0:19:42.080 --> 0:19:45.760
<v Speaker 1>crazy dudes like put the parachutes and jump into them. Yeah,

0:19:46.000 --> 0:19:48.359
<v Speaker 1>very cool. They did on that the Planet Earth. Um.

0:19:48.600 --> 0:19:50.159
<v Speaker 1>Actually I don't think it was there, but did you

0:19:50.160 --> 0:19:53.880
<v Speaker 1>ever watch that the Planet Earth Discovery thing. Yes, they

0:19:53.920 --> 0:19:56.520
<v Speaker 1>gave us that when they bought us as a gift.

0:19:56.840 --> 0:19:59.480
<v Speaker 1>It was really cool. But it has the base jumpers

0:20:00.040 --> 0:20:03.040
<v Speaker 1>jumping into these things. It's crazy. That's awesome. They also

0:20:03.080 --> 0:20:05.720
<v Speaker 1>have a say no taste. Yeah, did you see those

0:20:05.720 --> 0:20:08.080
<v Speaker 1>into loom? Yes, because they got a lot of them

0:20:08.119 --> 0:20:10.960
<v Speaker 1>down there, right, Yes, they do. They're everywhere into loom

0:20:10.960 --> 0:20:14.160
<v Speaker 1>and they're awesome. So basically that is um a sinkhole

0:20:14.200 --> 0:20:17.119
<v Speaker 1>that is now a pool, right yeah, and they're there

0:20:17.320 --> 0:20:21.520
<v Speaker 1>for some reason. There's I guess the water collects. It

0:20:21.520 --> 0:20:24.520
<v Speaker 1>percolates down from the top, so there's always a dripping sound,

0:20:24.920 --> 0:20:27.160
<v Speaker 1>and then it collects in the bottom of the sinkhole,

0:20:27.359 --> 0:20:32.080
<v Speaker 1>usually bedrock or light sediment um. But during the percolation

0:20:32.160 --> 0:20:37.320
<v Speaker 1>process it becomes purified. So it's this incredible like bluish

0:20:37.480 --> 0:20:43.160
<v Speaker 1>water um that's totally pure. We're just yeah, huge for snorkeling,

0:20:43.200 --> 0:20:45.760
<v Speaker 1>scuba diving, that kind of thing. And they're also very

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<v Speaker 1>um sacred places I guess among the Maya maybe um.

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<v Speaker 1>And there's like a big movement to uh preserve these

0:20:55.720 --> 0:20:58.199
<v Speaker 1>saint no tastes because they were they were believed to

0:20:58.240 --> 0:21:02.840
<v Speaker 1>be um um portal to the next world, and so

0:21:02.880 --> 0:21:05.520
<v Speaker 1>they'd like sacrifice people and stuff there. They are wicked

0:21:05.520 --> 0:21:09.160
<v Speaker 1>cool looking. I plan to go one day, okay and

0:21:09.359 --> 0:21:12.600
<v Speaker 1>tread the ground that you tread into Loom. There is uh.

0:21:12.720 --> 0:21:15.560
<v Speaker 1>There's also a lot of the ruins around on the

0:21:15.600 --> 0:21:18.600
<v Speaker 1>Yucatan or will have a saint note. Well, they have

0:21:18.840 --> 0:21:21.640
<v Speaker 1>ruins near to Loom, right, huh and then chuck. Lastly,

0:21:21.800 --> 0:21:25.880
<v Speaker 1>probably the biggest sinkhole on the planet is the Qatara

0:21:25.960 --> 0:21:29.880
<v Speaker 1>Depression right in Egypt. It's like three hundred feet deep

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<v Speaker 1>or four hundred and thirty six, yes, four hundred and

0:21:32.920 --> 0:21:36.000
<v Speaker 1>thirty six hundred and thirty one deep size of Lake

0:21:36.000 --> 0:21:39.680
<v Speaker 1>Erie basically. Yeah, but it's like seventy five miles wide,

0:21:40.680 --> 0:21:44.639
<v Speaker 1>which is add twenty kilometers. Yeah, it's it's not I

0:21:44.720 --> 0:21:46.480
<v Speaker 1>kind of expected more to Did you see pictures It

0:21:46.520 --> 0:21:49.520
<v Speaker 1>looks sort of just looks like a desert basin sort of. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I thought it's not nearly as cool looking as the

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<v Speaker 1>ones in Venezuela. No, And if you want to see

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<v Speaker 1>cool picture of the ones in Venezuela. You can type

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<v Speaker 1>sinkhole into how stuff works dot Com. There's also a

0:22:00.160 --> 0:22:04.479
<v Speaker 1>cool flash animation on zero of how sinkhole's form and

0:22:04.840 --> 0:22:09.879
<v Speaker 1>really to sum up sinkhole's form, because water moves underground,

0:22:10.560 --> 0:22:17.479
<v Speaker 1>it rose erodes the overburdened above combat. There you have it. Okay, Um,

0:22:17.560 --> 0:22:19.639
<v Speaker 1>and I think I said handy search bar at how

0:22:19.680 --> 0:22:22.680
<v Speaker 1>stuff works dot Com? Right? If not, I just did,

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<v Speaker 1>which means it's time for a listener. Meant yes, Josh,

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<v Speaker 1>serial killers. I just need to say, judging from the

0:22:32.080 --> 0:22:34.560
<v Speaker 1>Facebook and fan reaction, that we have a sick and

0:22:34.600 --> 0:22:37.280
<v Speaker 1>twisted audience. I thought it was funny that a lot

0:22:37.280 --> 0:22:39.199
<v Speaker 1>of people felt they need to be like, you know,

0:22:39.240 --> 0:22:42.360
<v Speaker 1>not to be morbid or anything, but real coach, everybody

0:22:42.359 --> 0:22:45.760
<v Speaker 1>loves serial killers. Okay, just go with it. Before I

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<v Speaker 1>read these, Josh, I should just point out a quick correction.

0:22:48.040 --> 0:22:52.479
<v Speaker 1>Ted Bundy Um did his final Sorority House actions at

0:22:52.480 --> 0:22:56.440
<v Speaker 1>Florida State, not Florida, and I knew that too. I

0:22:56.440 --> 0:22:58.679
<v Speaker 1>don't know why I said UF Yeah, I thought it

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<v Speaker 1>was Florida the whole time. I'm not a big Florida

0:23:00.960 --> 0:23:03.320
<v Speaker 1>Gator fan, as you know, but I'm sure that had

0:23:03.359 --> 0:23:07.400
<v Speaker 1>nothing to do with it. You. Uh, we heard from

0:23:07.440 --> 0:23:09.679
<v Speaker 1>a bunch of people. Josh kind of jokingly said, if

0:23:09.720 --> 0:23:12.160
<v Speaker 1>you know of any serial killers. Turns out a bunch

0:23:12.160 --> 0:23:16.240
<v Speaker 1>of people have come into contact with surprising amount. Uh,

0:23:16.280 --> 0:23:17.680
<v Speaker 1>And so I have a bunch of them. I'm gonna

0:23:17.760 --> 0:23:20.600
<v Speaker 1>run down you. You want to read some of these two? Oh, sure,

0:23:21.400 --> 0:23:24.400
<v Speaker 1>I'll give you that page. Uh. This is from Solomon.

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<v Speaker 1>My mom told me a story when she was in

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<v Speaker 1>Washington in the late seventies. She graduated college, moved there

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<v Speaker 1>to work as a social worker in Seattle. She was

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<v Speaker 1>supposed to meet up with a friend one day and

0:23:32.880 --> 0:23:35.800
<v Speaker 1>co worker in her roommate, and they waited for hours

0:23:35.800 --> 0:23:38.280
<v Speaker 1>and hours, but they never showed. She spoke to her

0:23:38.320 --> 0:23:40.280
<v Speaker 1>co worker later and said the reason she never came

0:23:40.320 --> 0:23:44.000
<v Speaker 1>because her friend was missing. Turns out, long story short,

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<v Speaker 1>that she went to help a guy with a sailboat

0:23:45.920 --> 0:23:48.879
<v Speaker 1>and the parking lot buffalo bill style, can't help me

0:23:48.880 --> 0:23:50.760
<v Speaker 1>get this couch in the van. She got there and

0:23:50.760 --> 0:23:53.159
<v Speaker 1>there was no sailboat. And it turns out that this

0:23:53.200 --> 0:23:55.960
<v Speaker 1>guy was Ted Bundy and the friend was janics Ott,

0:23:56.160 --> 0:23:59.000
<v Speaker 1>one of his final victims. It's from Solomon. All right,

0:23:59.040 --> 0:24:00.520
<v Speaker 1>I've got a give one. This is my favorite. This

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<v Speaker 1>is from Justin. My grandfather once knew a serial killer.

0:24:04.480 --> 0:24:07.560
<v Speaker 1>They were in the same fantasy baseball league. I do

0:24:07.680 --> 0:24:10.040
<v Speaker 1>not know his name. Unfortunately, he was kicked out of

0:24:10.040 --> 0:24:12.760
<v Speaker 1>the league for cheating and his family left him, so

0:24:12.800 --> 0:24:15.120
<v Speaker 1>he resorted to shooting people in the head with the pistol.

0:24:15.560 --> 0:24:17.920
<v Speaker 1>The police had him cornered in a motel, so he

0:24:18.040 --> 0:24:21.879
<v Speaker 1>covered himself in baseball cards and committed suicide. That's from Justin.

0:24:22.240 --> 0:24:24.320
<v Speaker 1>I don't know about that one, just said at the

0:24:24.400 --> 0:24:26.879
<v Speaker 1>very least Justin as a great imagination. Yes. Uh. This

0:24:26.920 --> 0:24:29.520
<v Speaker 1>one comes from Karen h. Just a tidbit, guys. My

0:24:29.560 --> 0:24:32.440
<v Speaker 1>aunt's first husband was a corner on the Manson murders,

0:24:32.680 --> 0:24:35.560
<v Speaker 1>Tate la Bianca. I never met him because they divorced

0:24:35.560 --> 0:24:38.800
<v Speaker 1>before I was born, but my aunt always talked about

0:24:38.880 --> 0:24:42.239
<v Speaker 1>him during the murders. Her ex husband also founded the

0:24:42.320 --> 0:24:46.320
<v Speaker 1>Los Angeles Coroner's gift shop. I thought that was strange,

0:24:46.960 --> 0:24:49.880
<v Speaker 1>strange and awesome kind of the gift shop at least. Uh.

0:24:49.920 --> 0:24:52.439
<v Speaker 1>This one's from Megan. I just wanted to tell you

0:24:52.480 --> 0:24:55.960
<v Speaker 1>that my stepdad's brother murdered two people. They were my

0:24:55.960 --> 0:24:59.280
<v Speaker 1>stepdad's friends. My stepdad recounted always feeling a little odd

0:24:59.320 --> 0:25:01.399
<v Speaker 1>around his brother. There. He said the hair on his

0:25:01.520 --> 0:25:03.840
<v Speaker 1>arms and neck would rise when his brother would talk

0:25:03.880 --> 0:25:07.400
<v Speaker 1>to him. His brother's His brother used to catch sparrows

0:25:07.440 --> 0:25:10.600
<v Speaker 1>as a child and show firecrackers into their butts and

0:25:10.680 --> 0:25:13.760
<v Speaker 1>let them go after he lit them, which is pretty awful.

0:25:13.800 --> 0:25:16.480
<v Speaker 1>Thanks Megan. Yeah, that's part of the McDonald triad. I

0:25:16.480 --> 0:25:20.960
<v Speaker 1>would say, uh, two quickens here on Jeffrey Dahmer. Apparently

0:25:20.960 --> 0:25:22.880
<v Speaker 1>he had a bunch of neighbors that listened to our show.

0:25:24.040 --> 0:25:26.480
<v Speaker 1>Joel says, around the time of the killings, my mom

0:25:26.560 --> 0:25:28.760
<v Speaker 1>lived next door to Jeffrey Dahmers. She met him twice

0:25:29.400 --> 0:25:32.480
<v Speaker 1>and she said he seemed like a nice guy, but

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<v Speaker 1>a little weird. I would say so anyway, I just

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<v Speaker 1>thought I would share my little anecdote with you guys.

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<v Speaker 1>Joel and from Coal and Cincinnata says, my father went

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<v Speaker 1>to preschool with Jeffrey Dahmer. He doesn't remember him torturing

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<v Speaker 1>small animals or anything, but one fact sticks out. He

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<v Speaker 1>liked to walk around with his cheeks sucked in. My

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<v Speaker 1>dad said, picture someone making a fishy face. My dad's

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<v Speaker 1>theory was that Jeffy was saving his taste for human flesh.

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<v Speaker 1>But that's pure speculation. Wow, that is pure speculation. Thanks

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<v Speaker 1>for that. Checkov had a couple more, uh, if that's

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<v Speaker 1>okay with you, Yes, all right. There's one from anonymous

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<v Speaker 1>in Florida who wanted to give the attention to the

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<v Speaker 1>victim and not take any for herself. I went to

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<v Speaker 1>high school with a girl who became the victim of

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<v Speaker 1>a serial killer known as the Gainesville Ripper, Danny Rolling.

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<v Speaker 1>I wasn't close friends with her, but she was in

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<v Speaker 1>my freshman English honors class. So that's from anonymous. Kurt's

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<v Speaker 1>lived eight minutes away from Dennis raiders home the bt

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<v Speaker 1>K killer, and the house where he murdered one of

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<v Speaker 1>his victims is across the street from the hardware shop

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<v Speaker 1>where I shop. And it turns out b t K

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<v Speaker 1>Dennis Raider uh murdered more than three people over the

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<v Speaker 1>course of his career. Still kind of a poop poo

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<v Speaker 1>serial killer career, in my opinion, said I was, you

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<v Speaker 1>got any more? I got one more? Go ahead. Back

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<v Speaker 1>in night, my dad's best friend's family was targeted by

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<v Speaker 1>the Zodiac Killer. We recently met up with her daughter

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<v Speaker 1>and she told us the story that one of her relatives,

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<v Speaker 1>David Arthur Faraday, was killed by Mr Zodiac and the

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<v Speaker 1>fear of someone else being killed caused them to leave California,

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<v Speaker 1>which meant my dad lost contact with her. Thanks for

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<v Speaker 1>the podcast and fully expect you to to release new

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<v Speaker 1>episodes even after you are dead. Jerry. Slightly disturbing. It was,

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<v Speaker 1>especially in relation to the Zodiac killing and especially since

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<v Speaker 1>it was written by our own Jerry. Yeah, it was,

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't it. I got one more? This is from Leslie,

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<v Speaker 1>and Leslie has Josh known three murderers. Wow, and she's

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<v Speaker 1>still around. The First person Robert Bennett, a k a.

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<v Speaker 1>The handcuff Man, who I think was caught in Atlanta.

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<v Speaker 1>He lived just across the street from me in to

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<v Speaker 1>wand Up, Pennsylvania, and we used to sneak through the

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<v Speaker 1>alley beside his house to get to school and we

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<v Speaker 1>would sneak into his pool. Yeah, dangerous business. Second was

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<v Speaker 1>Eric Smith, a kid from Sonoma, New York, who murdered

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<v Speaker 1>a four year old boy. His grandfather was my science

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<v Speaker 1>teacher and a family friend. And finally, the recent murderer

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<v Speaker 1>I've known was Messak Dumas, who murdered his family here

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<v Speaker 1>in Naples. I worked with him for a while at

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<v Speaker 1>a restaurant and knew his wife from the grocery store

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<v Speaker 1>right shop. And that's from Leslie. So she's done three

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<v Speaker 1>murderers and good for her, Leslie. UM, keep your eyes peeled.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what I want to remain on point. I've never

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<v Speaker 1>known anybody who's known that many murderers before. UM chuck

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<v Speaker 1>tag teaming listener mail makes me feel like Michelle Norris

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<v Speaker 1>and Robert Siegel. Okay, Uh, and it's Thursday even so,

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