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Speaker 2: Welcome home, y'all.

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Speaker 1: There is breaking news today as we have just been

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Speaker 1: told that Don Lemon was arrested and last night covering

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Speaker 1: the Grammys, by the way, and so was Georgia Ford,

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Speaker 1: who's become a dear friend to us, has been wonderful

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Speaker 1: on this show.

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Speaker 2: As you all know, Georgia Ford.

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Speaker 1: Joined me just last Tuesday for a solo pod talking

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Speaker 1: about the threat of arrest, talking about everything that was

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Speaker 1: going on on the ground in Minneapolis, Minnesota. Today, Georgia

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Speaker 1: Ford was served with an arrest warrant where they claimed

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Speaker 1: emphasis on claims that there was a grand jury impaneled.

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Speaker 2: She was charged with both.

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Speaker 1: The Face Act and the KKK Act of eighteen seventy one.

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Speaker 1: For those of you who have been watching, you know

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Speaker 1: what we have to say about the KKK Act of

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Speaker 1: eighteen seventy one.

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Speaker 2: For those of you who have not.

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Speaker 1: Been following, we will get into that today, but before

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Speaker 1: we get any deeper, joining us right now is this

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Speaker 1: tremendous constitutional law expert, a commentator, and a columnist for

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Speaker 1: the nation. He is a friend to this show. Ellie

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Speaker 1: missed out. Please tell us what in the world is

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Speaker 1: going on.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there's no point of having constitutional expertise because nothing

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Speaker 3: happening right now is constitutional. Right. The white supremacists running

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Speaker 3: this government do not care about the Constitution. It's not

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Speaker 3: clear that they've read the Constitution, and they certainly don't

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Speaker 3: understand the Constitution because arresting journalist is unconstitutional one oh one. Right,

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Speaker 3: it's right in the very first Amendment to the Constitution

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Speaker 3: that the freedom of the press will not be abridge.

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Speaker 3: Don Lemon, Georgia fort were covering a protest. They were

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Speaker 3: doing journalism. You can't arrest people for doing journalism. Again,

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Speaker 3: that's the first amendment of the Constitution. So not only

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Speaker 3: are these arrests unconstitutional, plainly, blatantly obviously unconstitutional, they're also

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Speaker 3: plainly illegal, right, And the difference there is that there

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Speaker 3: the Trump administration went to a federal magistrate judge in

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Speaker 3: Minnesota asking for an arrest warrant for Don Lemon, and

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Speaker 3: the judge told them no. The judge said there was

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Speaker 3: no probable cause for an arrest warrant. So then they

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Speaker 3: appealed that ruling and they went up to an appellate

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Speaker 3: court and the appellate court said no, there's no probable

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Speaker 3: cause for an arrest warrant, and they arrested him anyway,

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Speaker 3: So that's illegal right now, Pambondi or Trump people have

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Speaker 3: now come out and said like, oh oh, we had

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Speaker 3: a grand jury and paneled and they issued the arrest

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Speaker 3: warrant for Lemon and for it. Well, first of all,

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Speaker 3: going to a federal grand jury to get an arrest

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Speaker 3: warrant that you couldn't get from the state court is

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Speaker 3: you know, weird, is highly unusual. A and B. They

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Speaker 3: haven't said that they have paneled the grand jury for

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Speaker 3: the other two p people, the activists they arrested Cruise

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Speaker 3: and Lundy, Right, so we don't even know what the

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Speaker 3: legal justification is for arresting those other two people. And

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Speaker 3: then you have to be like, is what was this

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Speaker 3: grand jury?

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Speaker 4: Like?

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Speaker 3: What was this grand jury? How did that process worked work?

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Speaker 3: If what we're talking about is a blatantly unconstitutional arrest

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Speaker 3: goatka right to use a yiddishism like it is. It

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Speaker 3: is an expression of white supremacy. And so when I

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Speaker 3: look for constitutional justification for these arrests, it's obviously not

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Speaker 3: in the Constitution. It's obviously not well, it's obviously not

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Speaker 3: in the constitution anymore if there wasn't something in the

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Speaker 3: original Constitution that would have allowed them to arrest a

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Speaker 3: black journalist like Don Lemon. And that was called the

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Speaker 3: fugitive Slave Clause in Article four of the original Constitution,

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Speaker 3: which allowed the government to reclaim escaped property should that

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Speaker 3: the reason why the fugitive slave clause is, you know,

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Speaker 3: actually relevant to what's happening in the Lemon right now,

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Speaker 3: is that you have to understand what the fugitive Slave

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Speaker 3: Clause was meant to counteract. Right, And the fugitive State

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Speaker 3: clause counteracts the Tenth Amendment.

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 3: The tenth Amendment says explicitly that the police power is

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Speaker 3: reserved to the states. I'm sure, Angela, I'm sure Andrew,

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Speaker 5: Right.

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Speaker 3: States rights is why I get this. States rights is

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Speaker 3: why I get that right. Well, states rights is in

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Speaker 3: the Constitution, right, it's the Tenth Amendment. To what part

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Speaker 3: Who is to get arrested and who is not to

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Speaker 3: get arrested. The Slave Clause suit ceded states rights. Right

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Speaker 3: a Minnesota could say no, no, we're not going to arrest

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Speaker 3: actually we have to. The federal government can supersede States

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Speaker 3: that's what's happening to Lemon. He's getting arrested because he's black,

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Speaker 3: and the federal government is ignoring states rights, is ignoring

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Speaker 3: a federal magistrate, is ignoring a federal appeals court to

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Speaker 3: actually it's a pretty old sea.

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Speaker 4: Yeah they can. I can I ask you real quick?

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Speaker 4: The the so we know that they are using a

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Speaker 3: It could be anywhere America, right like again, they're they're

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Speaker 3: But the thought here is that you get a willing,

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Speaker 3: an unconstitutional so and we know they have I mean Lisa,

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Speaker 3: you know, I always call her miss Hannigan, Lisa Halligan,

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Speaker 3: h Lindsay Halligan has been clowning herself all across the country.

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Speaker 3: So you find a Lindsay Halligan type, they say that

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Speaker 3: they have a claim under the Clan Act, under the

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Speaker 3: Face Act, or the perversion of those acts that the

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Speaker 3: And the grand jury process is a black box, like

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Speaker 3: it's supposed to be sealed. Now, you can get in

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Speaker 4: I would imagine, no, not everybody. Prosecutors don't get in

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Speaker 3: how you do that, but we know. But Andrew, You're right,

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Speaker 3: we know that those prosecutors probably will not be held

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Speaker 2: I want to just thank you, Ellie.

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Speaker 1: I know that you have a deadline, a writing deadline,

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Speaker 1: so I really appreciate you. Coming on, we're going to

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Speaker 1: be floored learning that Don Lemon was arrested last night

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Speaker 1: covering the Grammys about the alleged actions he took in Minnesota,

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Speaker 1: which we're merely covering a protest, but somehow now that

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Speaker 1: Georgia Fort, who is an Emmy Award winning journalist in Minnesota,

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Speaker 1: thank you so much for what you're doing. You know,

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Speaker 1: I can't wait to read what you put out.

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Speaker 2: We love you.

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Speaker 4: Thank you, Thank you, Ellen, thank you.

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Speaker 1: So let's go ahead and run the clip. Andrew, if

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Speaker 6: Guys, I wanted to alert the public that agents are

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Speaker 6: in the last twenty four hours, and that they have

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Speaker 6: a warrant for my arrest. I've talked to my attorney

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Speaker 2: I guess down to Whipple and my children are here.

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Speaker 6: They're impacted by this. This is all stemming from the

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Speaker 6: fact that I filmed a protest. As a member of

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Speaker 6: the church protests a few weeks ago. Again, I don't

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Speaker 1: You know, in that moment, Georgia showed the courage that

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Speaker 1: See people who are our colleagues, who become kind of

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Speaker 4: I think in the long run, y'all, we're gonna fight,

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Speaker 4: Because the absence of it, we're at risk anyway. We're

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Speaker 1: And speaking of that risk, Andrew, there's a gentleman by

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Speaker 8: Georgia Ford and Don Lemon. We're both arrested for filming

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Speaker 8: The press has a freedom to film and to record

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Speaker 8: It's not a Minnesota thing. This is an US thing,

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Speaker 1: Joining us now is the executive director of Minnesota Freedom Fund,

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Speaker 2: Thank you both for being here.

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Speaker 1: Of course, there was just a press conference at Minnesota's

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Speaker 2: And Senator I'll come to you first.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean, I'm grateful that community is organizing in

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Speaker 9: I think we were on the ground all of twenty twenty,

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Speaker 9: It's ensuring that people only tell one narrative. But what

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Speaker 2: And I talked to Georgia last week.

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Speaker 9: I talked to her the other day when we were

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, and Eli, I want to come to you thankfully.

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Speaker 1: You you knew that this was coming. Minnesota Freedom Fund

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Speaker 2: Can you talk about what you're feeling right now? You're live?

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Speaker 1: Earlier was very powerful calling on all of us to

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Speaker 8: Good good morning to you both, And good morning senators.

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Speaker 8: It's actually not a good morning. It's not a good

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Speaker 8: And yet you know, for some reason we can't muster

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Speaker 8: And my frustration, and I'm sorry, let me let me

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Speaker 1: I want to it's such a profound point. And Eli

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Speaker 1: thank you for all that you're sharing.

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Speaker 1: I was just going to say that right now, doctor

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Speaker 1: you can throw up peace signs. We know it's a

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Speaker 1: busy day. We know you got constituent Senator Eli. I

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Speaker 1: know you are on paternity leave and cannot leave the

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Speaker 1: city alone because the city won't leave the people alone.

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Speaker 1: So thank you for pulling double duty. Doctor Resmond Menikan.

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Speaker 5: Hey, first of all, I just got to say my

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Speaker 5: heart is broken right now. This sister Georgia has been

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Speaker 5: doing this work for our people here in this city

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Speaker 5: for a very long time. We count on her to

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Speaker 5: to be in places that we can't be, to show

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Speaker 5: us what's actually going on, not what they're telling us

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Speaker 5: is going on, and and to to you know, to

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Speaker 5: watch her have to deal with that and having these

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Speaker 5: terrorists at her front door and hearing her babies cry

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Speaker 5: in the back. I you know, this is what I

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Speaker 5: said the other day. You know, if anybody's trying to

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Speaker 5: take your anger and and and and molded into something

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Speaker 5: that's usable for them, you have to reject that. You

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Speaker 5: we we we we have to understand that what's happening

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Speaker 5: to us right now will not go away because we're nice.

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Speaker 4: Mm hmmm.

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Speaker 5: I understand that the only way forward for us is

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Speaker 5: to be unpermissioned and ungovernable. Part of the way that

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Speaker 5: they keep doing this ship to us is that we

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Speaker 5: are too governable, we are too permissioned. We have to

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Speaker 5: stop asking for permission to do things, and we have

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Speaker 5: to just do them with each other. Make the mistakes,

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Speaker 5: not like each other, come back, tend to each other,

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Speaker 5: do all the things that human beings do in order

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Speaker 5: to in order to UH birth the future that tends

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Speaker 5: to us, not to them, not to these, not not

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Speaker 5: to be listen this. At the same time that this

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Speaker 5: governor and this mayor here are talking about they have

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Speaker 5: contacted the federal government. They've they had a good conversation

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Speaker 5: with this uh with this with this brutal dictator. At

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Speaker 5: the same time, they are right now figuring out if

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Speaker 5: they can open up for smelling so they can have

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Speaker 5: house more ice agents there. Pete headsais is right now

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Speaker 5: has petitioned the Department of War to see if they

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Speaker 5: can get that open. Why would they do that if

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Speaker 5: they're talking, if they're really pulling out ice agents. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: if they're really pulling off ice agents, Why would they

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Speaker 5: do that, because they're selling you one thing in order

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Speaker 5: for you to go to sleep. This is what I've

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Speaker 5: been saying. The fact is is that these folks, these

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Speaker 5: folks want you to believe something that absolutely your body

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Speaker 5: knows is not true. You everybody who's jumping up and

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Speaker 5: down every time they think Ice is gonna leave, and

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Speaker 5: like they want this is this is what I'm what

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Speaker 5: I'm fearing. What I'm fearing is that all of these

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Speaker 5: white folks and all of these people that are that

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Speaker 5: think that this is about an episod battle mm hm

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Speaker 5: and and and when when when four Ice ages leave,

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Speaker 5: we jump up and down and we forget and we

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Speaker 5: don't we don't understand that this is not an episode.

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Speaker 5: It's structural and that and that we are not conditioned

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Speaker 5: for the long haul the things that we're putting it

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Speaker 5: right now in terms of our ability to be uh

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Speaker 5: mutually care for each other and develop mutual aid. That's

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Speaker 5: the life we have to craft.

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Speaker 10: That's not just an that is not just responding to uh,

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Speaker 10: responding to what Ice is doing and what Trump is.

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Speaker 5: To need to craft a different way of being with

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Speaker 5: each other. So that's that's where I'm at right now.

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Speaker 5: I I we if we think we're gonna get out

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Speaker 5: of this ship alive, we're thinking about this in the

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Speaker 5: wrong way. We're not gonna there's the we. This is

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Speaker 5: the beginning of what they're getting ready to do. And

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Speaker 5: if you don't understand saying that, I don't know what

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Speaker 5: to say to you. I don't. I don't know what

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Speaker 5: to say.

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Speaker 10: If you don't, if you're not if you're not talking

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Speaker 10: with with with each other, if you don't have a

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Speaker 10: plan with each other, if you don't if you don't

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Speaker 10: know how to, if you don't know what self defense is,

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Speaker 10: if you don't know how to, how to, how to

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Speaker 10: how to develop uh ways of watching and caring for

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Speaker 10: each other and making sure we keep receipts for all

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Speaker 10: of these folks.

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Speaker 5: If you don't know how to do that, and and

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Speaker 5: when they come back and let you do, I don't

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Speaker 5: know what to take.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I want to say, uh, resma, thank you so much.

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Speaker 1: If it weren't for you, we would not have been

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Speaker 1: able to be on the ground in Minneapolis earlier this week.

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Speaker 1: And we did not know that that was merely a

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Speaker 1: time to prepare us for what was coming next. I

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Speaker 1: remember asking you you know what you would say to

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Speaker 1: us for about where do we go from here? And

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Speaker 1: rightfully so it was almost a loving rebuke. You were like,

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Speaker 1: we need to sit right here in this rage, and

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Speaker 1: you're right because we have to keep moving. To that point.

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Speaker 1: Somebody who always keeps moving is Attorney Leslie Redman, who

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Speaker 1: just finished streaming live the Minneapolis City Hall press conference,

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Speaker 1: is on her way to the rally. Leslie, please give

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Speaker 1: us an update of what you know.

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Speaker 2: Grays in peace everyone.

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Speaker 11: We were just here at the Minneapolis City Hall, a

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Speaker 11: place that many of you have seen us stand time

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Speaker 11: and time again. We were there in twenty twenty when

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Speaker 11: after brother George Floyd was murdered, and I said that

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Speaker 11: it was said then in twenty twenty that there was

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Speaker 11: a state of emergency, and now it's even more of

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Speaker 11: a state of an emergency.

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Speaker 10: Right.

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Speaker 11: George's daughter and her husband spoke at the press conference

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Speaker 11: today really emotionally about the fact that her seven year

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Speaker 11: old and her other young child had to wake up

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Speaker 11: this morning without their mom, and we talked about how

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Speaker 11: our constitutional rights are under attack, that this is not

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Speaker 11: a drill, this is not a joke. Donald Trump thinks

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Speaker 11: that this is a TV show, and we need to

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Speaker 11: really continue to stand up.

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Speaker 3: Because we are all in danger.

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Speaker 11: When they start taking the journalist, when they start taking

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Speaker 11: the reporters, when they start taking the truth tellers, we're

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Speaker 11: all in jeopardy. And so there's a hearing at one

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Speaker 11: thirty for Georgia fort right across the street. We're headed

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Speaker 11: to the rally at one pm and then the hearings

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Speaker 11: at one thirty. We have very limited information at this time,

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Speaker 11: but I would tell people to just you know, keep watching,

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Speaker 11: keep watching local media outlets. I'll keep reporting all day.

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Speaker 11: And then also, is not a coincidence that there is

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Speaker 11: another national strike right now today that's happened. Oh, they're

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Speaker 11: just trying to distract us and target us. And then

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Speaker 11: also two other Organs, So Trey Horn Cruz is a

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Speaker 11: well known organizer in Minnesota. Also notably, I'm a Bush fellow,

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Speaker 11: George is a Bush Fellow, Trey Hank Trey Horn Cruise

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Speaker 11: is a Bush Fellow. And then Drew mail Lundy, who

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Speaker 11: I went to We were in law school at the

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Speaker 11: same time in Black Law student associations at the same time.

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Speaker 11: He's a local attorney works at the Hennepin County Prosecutor's office.

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Speaker 11: He is running for office right now. It's supposed to

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Speaker 11: be caucus next week. Like this, this is just very targeted,

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Speaker 11: it's very strategic. As brother Rasma said, it's very systemic.

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Speaker 11: And you know, I talked to Georgia a lot. You

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Speaker 11: all got a chance to meet and talk with Georgia

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Speaker 11: when you all were in town, and you know, she

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Speaker 11: was worried that she was going to get arrested. And

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Speaker 11: I kept telling her, like, well, they can't arrest Don Lemmon.

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Speaker 11: They can't arrest you. You know what I mean, Like

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Speaker 11: you all are journalist, you all protected with our constitutional rights,

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Speaker 11: and y'all were just reporting and telling the truth. And

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Speaker 11: then they got Don Lemon and Georgia for and so

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Speaker 11: it's just heartbreaking, is devastating. Then this should be a

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Speaker 11: major wake up call that none of us can stay silent,

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Speaker 11: none of us can stay complicit. And then also you

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Speaker 11: all know a year ago, almost to this date, the

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Speaker 11: kim O, Livi Armstrong, Jaylini Monique, they stood in front

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Speaker 11: of Target headquarters saying that we need the boycott. Georgia

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Speaker 11: four used to have contracts with Target. They stopped funding her.

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Speaker 11: It's important to connect all of this of like the

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Speaker 11: corporations have abandoned us, the churches are abandoned. Where is

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Speaker 11: that church that they went into? Why are they not

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Speaker 11: saying release Georgia four and don limit right? Why are

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Speaker 11: they not speaking of saying nobody was hurt, no property

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Speaker 11: was even damaged. Why are we more concerned with these

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Speaker 11: people speaking truth to power if we remember about Renee

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Speaker 11: and the Cold Good than we are because those officers

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Speaker 11: do have not been arrested. Nobody's been held accountable for

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Speaker 11: Renee or Alex killing right, but yet we want to

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Speaker 11: hold peaceful protesters.

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Speaker 10: And journal accountable.

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Speaker 5: We should all be preached.

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Speaker 4: That's true.

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Speaker 2: I really appreciate you joining us, Leslie.

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Speaker 1: I know you are actively organizing right now, so we

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Speaker 1: will hopefully follow up again with you later. Thank you

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Speaker 1: so much for streaming the press.

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Speaker 12: Nobody knows go ahead agent and no I just said doctor,

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Speaker 12: both poignant points made.

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Speaker 4: I don't know if doctor Resmond is still with us

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Speaker 4: or if he's uh yeah, if he's left us.

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Speaker 2: Not buy by resume comeback, res I.

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Speaker 4: Just want to it was what he said is prescient.

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Speaker 4: It's also terrifying, but we have to hear the difficult News.

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Speaker 4: He talked about us not just preparing for an emergency, right,

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Speaker 4: not organizing for the exceptional moment that is happening in society.

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Speaker 4: He's saying, we have to create.

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Speaker 13: A new normal, our new normal in the environment that

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Speaker 13: we have right now with a lawless federal government treading

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Speaker 13: on the rights of individuals, treading on the rights of states,

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Speaker 13: treading on the rights of journalists to simply bear witness

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Speaker 13: and report what you.

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Speaker 4: See the point around them going after journalists before they

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Speaker 4: go after murderers. Yeah, that's not that's not a tagline

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Speaker 4: there that that that's that's real. The same agency that

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Speaker 4: has refused to investigate Renee Goods killing, right, the Department

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Speaker 4: of Justice would not allow the Civil Rights Division to

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Speaker 4: open an investigatation against the lawless killing of her or

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Speaker 4: if alex is the same goddamn entity that decided they

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Speaker 4: had the time to go to a federal judge, to

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Speaker 4: be denied by that federal judge, to then go to

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Speaker 4: an appellate a federal appeals court, to then be denied

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Speaker 4: by that federal appeals court. No, you cannot arrest them.

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Speaker 4: I will not sign an arrest warrant for them to

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Speaker 4: then go and panel and somewhere America, Minnesota or elsewhere

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Speaker 4: a grand jury. And by the way, are they going

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Speaker 4: to tell us how many grand juries they in panel

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Speaker 4: before they got an arrest warrant? Are they going to

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Speaker 4: be transparent and say whether or not they were refused

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Speaker 4: by a grand jury before they found one that would

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Speaker 4: would issue an indictment? Did they tell the truth? And

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Speaker 4: by the way, we don't have to know, We don't

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Speaker 4: even have to query ourselves about whether or not they

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Speaker 4: told the truth, because all we have to look is

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Speaker 4: that passes prologue, that what they have told the American

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Speaker 4: people at every turn has been a lot lie. Don't

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Speaker 4: believe our line in eyes?

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Speaker 2: Yeah right, I think you're so right on so many points. Ag.

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Speaker 1: I've always said that so long as the Department of

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Speaker 1: Justice air Quotes is in the j. Edgar Hoover Building,

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Speaker 1: we will be so far from actual justice. I want

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Speaker 1: to pull up Attorney General Bondi's tweet about Don Lemon earlier,

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Speaker 1: and Jamel Lundy and Georgia Fort and Trey Hearn Cruz,

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Speaker 1: and I want to get your reaction to this. Andrew,

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Speaker 1: at my direction. Early this morning, federal agents arrested Don Lemon,

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Speaker 1: Trey Arn, Jean Cruz, Georgia Fort, and Jamail Lidale Lundy

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Speaker 1: in connection with the coordinated attack. Listen to the words

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Speaker 1: with the coordinated attack on city's church in Saint Paul, Minnesota.

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Speaker 1: This was six h nine am Easter in this morning,

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Speaker 1: January thirty of twenty twenty six. She says more detail soon,

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Speaker 1: Andrew wishoul your reaction to the Attorney General using Twitter

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Speaker 1: as a space for her to report out that they

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Speaker 1: have arrested for people in connection to a church protest.

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Speaker 1: Two of those people we know for a fact we're

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Speaker 1: reporting out. Don said that right here on the show,

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Speaker 1: and we'll play that clip in a moment too.

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Speaker 4: It's a shame that we have to refer to her

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Speaker 4: as the Attorney General.

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Speaker 2: Damn shame.

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Speaker 4: It's it's it's it's a shame that she she gets

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Speaker 4: the moniker of of of somebody of a title that

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Speaker 4: we actually are supposed to have some some degree of

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Speaker 4: faith in, some some belief in. We know that it

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Speaker 4: hasn't been fair to us always. In fact, in instances

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Speaker 4: where it has been fair to us, I would consider

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Speaker 4: that an exception to to to to the rule. But

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Speaker 4: but she's so lawless she is. She is the queen

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Speaker 4: of lawlessness right now. And I don't believe a thing

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Speaker 4: that comes out of their mouths Angela, I don't believe

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Speaker 4: anything her tweets to me alive the words selection is deliberate.

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Speaker 4: But I also saw that there were three million likes

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Speaker 4: or something like that underneath that her statement, her posts.

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Speaker 4: And I think one of the things that a lot

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Speaker 4: of us are not paying attention to is the fact

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Speaker 4: that their lawlessness also has a constituency. That there are

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Speaker 4: people in our communities, people we work with, that we

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Speaker 4: live in neighborhoods with, that we are in social organizations

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Speaker 4: with who are cheerleading what they're doing. I understand that

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Speaker 4: the polling by and lawge is not necessarily popular, but

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Speaker 4: there's a constituency for their lawlessness. And when that extreme

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Speaker 4: right wing returned to White America constituency thought that Donald

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Speaker 4: Trump was going to pull up on his efforts in Minnesota,

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Speaker 4: they got loud. They didn't get loud to us, they

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Speaker 4: got loud to the White House through their leaders and

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Speaker 4: their organizations. They got loud with the chiefs of staff

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Speaker 4: and all those special advisors that the president has, and

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Speaker 4: they said hold up. We told you we sent you

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Speaker 4: here for this complete the mission. And that's why Donald

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Speaker 4: Trump has backtracked yet again, and that's why Pam BONDI

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Speaker 4: had to turn their eyre toward him. And by the way,

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Speaker 4: just dot dot and you can then take the mic

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Speaker 4: Epstein files. Three million documents release today right a document

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Speaker 4: dump on a Friday, and also on the friday that

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Speaker 4: they choose to arrest people in our community who we

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Speaker 4: care deeply about, and they do it lawlessly. So let's

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Speaker 4: not forget. There are a lot of moving parts and

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Speaker 4: pieces here. There's a lot that this administration has to

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Speaker 4: distract the American people from. So I just we have to, guys,

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Speaker 4: we have to move with our eyes wide open and

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Speaker 4: increasingly our eyes and our mouths and our feet walking

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Speaker 4: and our hands working. We have to. This is when

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Speaker 4: we throw our shoulders to the wheel, because if we don't,

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Speaker 4: we ain't gonna have no goddamn wheel to throw a

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Speaker 4: shoulder to.

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Speaker 2: There's that.

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Speaker 1: And speaking of that, look at this tweet two Andrew,

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Speaker 1: I just pat it up, Okay, thank you. I'm very

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Speaker 1: happy this is Matt Walsh, another alleged church white supremacist.

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Speaker 1: I'm very happy that Don Lemon was arrested, but there

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Speaker 1: is one extremely important.

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Speaker 2: Caveat in now.

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Speaker 1: Caveat now that it's been done, he has to be

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Speaker 1: convicted and sent to prison for an extended length of time.

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Speaker 1: If he is not convicted or not seriously punished, then

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Speaker 1: this whole thing is an unequivocal.

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Speaker 2: Win for him.

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Speaker 1: It makes him a martyr and ten times more famous

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Speaker 1: with no significant consequence. Limit was totally irrelevant prior to this,

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Speaker 1: not true. Donald Trump was tweeting about Don Before this,

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Speaker 1: nobody watched his show or even knew that he was

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Speaker 1: still alive. This is inflammatory. Now he's relevant again. He'll

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Speaker 1: almost certainly get another job in cable news on the

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Speaker 1: heels of this. The only way to make this a

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Speaker 1: win for the good guys. I wonder who the good

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Speaker 1: guys are in his mind is to punish it severely,

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Speaker 1: correct make the reward of fame and martyrdom not worth

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Speaker 1: the cost. If you won't do that, then you never

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Speaker 1: should have arrested him. As you know, Andrew, we had

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Speaker 1: done on with us as a guest co host just

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Speaker 1: this week. I just want to roll this clip really quick,

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Speaker 1: because I know we got a heart out at well

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Speaker 1: twelve year time.

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Speaker 2: Roll this clip. Please.

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Speaker 14: Yes, I was there reporting and I don't even know

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Speaker 14: the name of the church. I don't even know the

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Speaker 14: name of the pastor who was there. But I do

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Speaker 14: know the name of the pastor who was alleged to

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Speaker 14: be and now has been confirmed by the church to

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Speaker 14: be like the I forget some sort of coordinating agent

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Speaker 14: or something of ICE, a directing agent of ICE.

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Speaker 2: Actink Field director David.

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Speaker 14: Was right, David Eastwood, and that he was a pastor

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Speaker 14: in the church. And so that group said that they

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Speaker 14: went there to protest that I didn't even know what

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Speaker 14: the what, you know, what place they were going. It

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Speaker 14: was an organization that people said were doing. They had

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Speaker 14: sent out a flyer and they were a protest and

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Speaker 14: they had been protesting what was happening in Minneapolis. And

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Speaker 14: I landed in Minneapolis, said sure, I'll go, I'll follow them.

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Speaker 14: I'll just go chronicle what they're doing. And so when

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Speaker 14: I found out it was a church, I sat back

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Speaker 14: for a bit and I said, let them do their thing.

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Speaker 14: Did I know they were going to go in there?

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Speaker 14: Of course, of course they're going to go in there,

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Speaker 14: that's what they do, or go in there around the

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Speaker 14: church well, I wasn't sure if they were going to

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Speaker 14: go inside or go around the church or whatever. I

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Speaker 14: didn't know what their actions would be, but I knew

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Speaker 14: that I wanted to report on it because that's part

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Speaker 14: of what was happening that day. And so when they

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Speaker 14: went into the church, I stood there and waited for

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Speaker 14: a bit and waited and waited, and I saw other

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Speaker 14: members of the press going in, and so I walked in.

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Speaker 14: When I saw the when the unrest happened, I walked

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Speaker 14: in and just started started saying, Hey, look this group

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Speaker 14: is over here.

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Speaker 4: It's chaos right there.

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Speaker 14: They're channing this. They're parishioners and church members over here

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Speaker 14: who are upset. And let me go over and talk

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Speaker 14: to the pastor, pastor, how do you feel about this?

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Speaker 14: About this happening in the church. And then he did

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Speaker 14: this thing, and I went over to one of the

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Speaker 14: some of the Prissians, I said, what do you feel

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Speaker 14: about this? If they said they didn't want to talk,

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Speaker 14: I said, I understand, and I moved on and uh,

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Speaker 14: And then I talked to the afterwards, the members of

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Speaker 14: the group that had organized the protest, and that was it.

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Speaker 4: I left, and then.

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Speaker 14: So I became the yes. Somehow I became the face

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Speaker 14: of it. I'm like, I'm not the face of it.

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Speaker 14: I'm not a protester. And I kept saying to them

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Speaker 14: when people would say, why are you going you guys,

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Speaker 14: what do you I said, sir, I'm not part I'm

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Speaker 14: not one of the protesters.

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Speaker 4: I'm just here. I'm a journalist and I'm here reporting.

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Speaker 2: Here reporting.

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Speaker 1: I want to Andrew, I know that this is something

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Speaker 1: that you would want to do. In the spirit of

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Speaker 1: my brother, who's very detail oriented. Let's actually throw to

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Speaker 1: the clip where Don Lemon is interviewing the pastor.

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Speaker 14: Yeah, what do you think of it?

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Speaker 4: I mean, this is unacceptable, it's shameful. It's shameful to

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Speaker 4: interrupt a public gathering of Christians in workship. But there

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Speaker 4: were folks. I have to take care of my flow.

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Speaker 11: Listen.

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Speaker 14: We live in there's a Constitution in the First Amendment

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Speaker 14: to freedom of speech and freedom to assembling protest.

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Speaker 4: We're here to worship. We're here to worship Jesus because

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Speaker 4: that's the hope of these cities, that's the hope of

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Speaker 4: the world is Jesus Christ. We're very respectful, but please

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Speaker 4: don't push me. Then we're here. We're here to worship Jesus.

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Speaker 4: That's why we're here. Okay, that's why we're here. Hopefully

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Speaker 4: that's what we're about.

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Speaker 14: Which you think Jesus would be understanding.

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Speaker 4: And we're about the mode. We're about spraying the love

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Speaker 4: of Jesus.

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Speaker 14: But did you try to talk to them as a

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Speaker 14: as a christone is willing to talk.

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Speaker 4: Okay, I have to take care of my church and

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Speaker 4: my family, so I asked this, you actually would also

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Speaker 4: leave this blod you don't.

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Speaker 5: Want us to worship.

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Speaker 4: I'm always worship. I'm a Christian. We're here, well, we're

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Speaker 4: here to worship.

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Speaker 5: We're here to worship.

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Speaker 4: Okay, thank you very much. I appreciate that.

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Speaker 1: I mean, he says repeatedly in the clip, Andrew what

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Speaker 1: he's there to do. He's documenting it, he's chronicling it.

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Speaker 1: He's he asked the man to please take his hands

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Speaker 1: off of him. A g wish your reaction to that,

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Speaker 1: I mean.

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Speaker 4: So one, I think hopefully, First of all, I hope

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Speaker 4: this case doesn't get any further than than what we've

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Speaker 4: seen up to this point. But should should it go further,

835
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Speaker 4: hopefully this will be evidence that that as as Don

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Speaker 4: has said consistently while at the protests, because I went

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Speaker 4: back to look at the live stream to see him.

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Speaker 4: He's at before he goes into the church. You know,

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Speaker 4: actually he's as he's outside again the church. One of

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Speaker 4: the parishioners who is leaving the church because of the protests,

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Speaker 4: you know, says, I don't you know, I just want

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Speaker 4: I don't want to talk to you guys. He said, Oh,

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Speaker 4: I'm not a protester. I'm just chronicling what's happening. I'm

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Speaker 4: a journalist. And then he proceeds to answer Don's question

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Speaker 4: and then they have a back and forth. So he's

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Speaker 4: consistently said that he's there as a journalist. I don't

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Speaker 4: even think that is in repute. What is crazy is

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Speaker 4: that this indictment alleges that he was violently involved and

849
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Speaker 4: holding that ground at the church, right, And there's no

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Speaker 4: I just can't wait to see the evidence. What what

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Speaker 4: are they going to produce as evidence to back up

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Speaker 4: to substantiate their having done this. But you know what,

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Speaker 4: I don't have a real belief that it will go

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Speaker 4: that far. And if it does, I believe he will

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Speaker 4: emerge on the side of right. But but but but

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Speaker 4: but I think all of this is done for the theater.

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Speaker 4: I don't think they care whether or not. You know,

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Speaker 4: they're gonna disappoint that man who's supposed to be just

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Speaker 4: put up, who made my point right, which was there's

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Speaker 4: a constituency out there who who are one thousand percent

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Speaker 4: behind what this administration is doing with this regime is doing.

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Speaker 4: And that's and we heard one of the voices there.

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Speaker 4: But I think they're gonna be solwly disappointed because to

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Speaker 4: prosecute this man is a violation of the Constitution his

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Speaker 4: constitutional rights. And I know that they are selective about

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Speaker 4: the application of the Constitution in this country who gets

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Speaker 4: to exist under the banner of it and who doesn't.

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Speaker 4: But it's gonna be hard for any any person to

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Speaker 4: turn away their eyes and and act like this didn't happen,

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Speaker 4: or that it happened differently than what we're witnessing.

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Speaker 2: I am.

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Speaker 1: I'm so grateful for what you're what you're saying, Andrew.

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Speaker 1: It's a it's a just like a mind blowing reminder

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Speaker 1: of where we are and versus where we should be.

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Speaker 2: We have, uh hopefully soon.

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Speaker 1: The statement from Don Lemon's lawyer, Abby Lowell, who's a

877
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Speaker 1: legend and what he said in response to Don's arrest.

878
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Speaker 1: If we don't have that yet, we can end with that.

879
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Speaker 1: But I do want to play this clip too of

880
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Speaker 1: Georgia fort speaking.

881
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Speaker 2: Uh to us about being outa b Wells today.

882
00:49:40,360 --> 00:49:42,560
Speaker 1: So what drives you to keep cause you're not just

883
00:49:42,719 --> 00:49:45,919
Speaker 1: like reporting on it from videos you're seeing online. You're

884
00:49:46,040 --> 00:49:48,960
Speaker 1: going to the heart of the protest, You're going to

885
00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:51,160
Speaker 1: the heat of the action. What is driving you to

886
00:49:51,200 --> 00:49:54,120
Speaker 1: be at ground zero in spite of that fear?

887
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Speaker 6: We cannot be neutral about the dismantling of our demidocracy

888
00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:05,920
Speaker 6: and still expect to be protected by it. We cannot

889
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Speaker 6: allow our fear to paralyze us to the point where

890
00:50:10,880 --> 00:50:14,000
Speaker 6: we decide to do nothing, that we just become spectators

891
00:50:14,680 --> 00:50:19,600
Speaker 6: and then just live with the consequence of whatever this

892
00:50:19,680 --> 00:50:25,160
Speaker 6: administration is doing. And so I am activated by my ancestors.

893
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Speaker 6: I feel like I stand on the shoulders of I

894
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Speaker 6: to b Wells, who documented lynchings that was probably extremely

895
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Speaker 6: controversial at her time. I imagine that because she had

896
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Speaker 6: such a narrow focus, and because she decided to tell

897
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Speaker 6: the stories of people who are lynched in their families

898
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Speaker 6: and not so much so of the people who are

899
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Speaker 6: lynching them. She was probably accused of not being objective

900
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Speaker 6: and being an activist, and probably all the same things

901
00:50:50,200 --> 00:50:52,640
Speaker 6: that I hear. But it did not It did not

902
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Speaker 6: prevent her from continuing to do that documentation, which now

903
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Speaker 6: fast forward years late, is extremely essential to us understanding

904
00:51:03,120 --> 00:51:07,799
Speaker 6: that era. It is extremely essential because of the continued

905
00:51:07,840 --> 00:51:12,240
Speaker 6: attempts to erase our history. I stand on the shoulders

906
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Speaker 6: of David Jackson, the photographer who took the horrific image

907
00:51:16,480 --> 00:51:20,120
Speaker 6: of Emmitt Till which touched the hearts, the minds, and

908
00:51:20,160 --> 00:51:25,040
Speaker 6: the souls of so many white Americans and activated them

909
00:51:25,080 --> 00:51:28,480
Speaker 6: to do something. And so I understand the power of

910
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Speaker 6: media and the power of storytelling. And if I allow

911
00:51:31,719 --> 00:51:36,279
Speaker 6: my fear to paralyze me, then I feel like they

912
00:51:36,360 --> 00:51:40,080
Speaker 6: have won. I feel like in twenty years we won't

913
00:51:40,120 --> 00:51:44,759
Speaker 6: have an accurate reflection of what is happening. And I

914
00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:47,960
Speaker 6: think it's essential because you mentioned this, like in your opening,

915
00:51:48,239 --> 00:51:52,640
Speaker 6: this administration has a history of lying. So who is

916
00:51:52,719 --> 00:51:57,319
Speaker 6: going to be the archivist of this moment? Who is

917
00:51:57,400 --> 00:52:01,600
Speaker 6: going to gather the truth and hold it so that

918
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Speaker 6: future generations can have an accurate reflection of what this

919
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Speaker 6: moment is really like, oh, pressure.

920
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Speaker 2: So Andrew, as we get ready to sign off.

921
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Speaker 4: Angela before a week before we go, I just want

922
00:52:17,719 --> 00:52:19,680
Speaker 4: to say a lot of people have listened to different

923
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Speaker 4: you know, We'll hear a clip from Don Lemon and

924
00:52:22,520 --> 00:52:25,120
Speaker 4: they'll say, well, he's got an opinion. Listen, journalists are

925
00:52:25,160 --> 00:52:27,080
Speaker 4: allowed to have a if you are confused about whether

926
00:52:27,200 --> 00:52:33,640
Speaker 4: or not journalists can be can have opinions and perspectives

927
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Speaker 4: and lenses by which they see things. I don't know

928
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Speaker 4: a journalist who doesn't have a lens by which they

929
00:52:39,040 --> 00:52:42,279
Speaker 4: see the world. And so if you are looking at

930
00:52:42,280 --> 00:52:45,960
Speaker 4: clips that show him expressing an opinion, that does not

931
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Speaker 4: remove from him the designation of a journalist. He still

932
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Speaker 4: has the credentials, the background, and considers himself a journalist

933
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Speaker 4: and allows equal forum for all sides. Period.

934
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Speaker 2: Yeah.

935
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Speaker 1: I want to pull this statement up from Don's attorney,

936
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Speaker 1: Abby Lowe, and I will read it for the folks

937
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Speaker 1: who are listening and not watching, or who will listen

938
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Speaker 1: and didn't watch. My eyes are bad, Nick, help us

939
00:53:16,680 --> 00:53:21,560
Speaker 1: stout the magistrates reported actions confirm the nature.

940
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Speaker 2: That's how rude's not that bad.

941
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Speaker 1: Nick of Don's First Amendment protected work this weekend in

942
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Speaker 1: Minnesota as a reporter. It was no different that what

943
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Speaker 1: he has done for more than thirty years, reporting and

944
00:53:33,840 --> 00:53:38,080
Speaker 1: covering newsworthy events on the ground and engaging in constitutionally

945
00:53:38,120 --> 00:53:41,720
Speaker 1: protected activity as a journalist. Should the Department of Justice

946
00:53:41,760 --> 00:53:44,200
Speaker 1: continue with the studying and troubling effort to silence and

947
00:53:44,239 --> 00:53:46,680
Speaker 1: punish the journalists for doing his job, Don will call

948
00:53:46,719 --> 00:53:48,440
Speaker 1: out their latest attack on the rule of law and

949
00:53:48,480 --> 00:53:51,000
Speaker 1: fight any charges vigorously and thoroughly in court. This is

950
00:53:51,000 --> 00:53:53,800
Speaker 1: actually the first statement, So I pulled the wrong one.

951
00:53:54,160 --> 00:53:57,399
Speaker 1: But here's what we know, Andrew, our work as far

952
00:53:57,480 --> 00:54:01,359
Speaker 1: from over. As we continue to get information throughout the day.

953
00:54:01,400 --> 00:54:04,919
Speaker 1: Hopefully the three of us can rejoin and bring back

954
00:54:04,960 --> 00:54:08,640
Speaker 1: our friends, our allies in Minnesota and really make sure

955
00:54:08,640 --> 00:54:11,920
Speaker 1: that we raise attention right now, Andrew, You've always been

956
00:54:12,520 --> 00:54:14,960
Speaker 1: my favorite person to tell me what is required of

957
00:54:15,040 --> 00:54:17,560
Speaker 1: us in this moment. So I would just ask you,

958
00:54:17,560 --> 00:54:19,720
Speaker 1: you know, in the spirit of always doing great calls

959
00:54:19,760 --> 00:54:25,480
Speaker 1: to actions, what you would ask calls to action young people,

960
00:54:26,200 --> 00:54:29,120
Speaker 1: our elders, people at home who aren't in Minnesota but

961
00:54:29,160 --> 00:54:30,000
Speaker 1: want to do something.

962
00:54:30,480 --> 00:54:32,640
Speaker 2: What is the thing that you will recommend we all do?

963
00:54:32,680 --> 00:54:35,680
Speaker 4: Now, you know, first of all, we all have voices.

964
00:54:37,880 --> 00:54:41,080
Speaker 4: Whether I mean that literally, you can speak, whether it's

965
00:54:41,080 --> 00:54:45,759
Speaker 4: in your writing, whatever we can do. If we are

966
00:54:45,800 --> 00:54:48,120
Speaker 4: sitting silent right now waiting for this thing to come

967
00:54:48,200 --> 00:54:52,000
Speaker 4: up our block, y'all it in the house, Yeah, it

968
00:54:52,080 --> 00:54:54,840
Speaker 4: is in the house. We have to wait for our neighborhood,

969
00:54:54,880 --> 00:54:57,879
Speaker 4: our street, our driveway. It is in the house. They

970
00:54:57,920 --> 00:55:03,120
Speaker 4: are challenging the very basic fundamentals of this society that

971
00:55:03,160 --> 00:55:05,719
Speaker 4: we consider a democracy. And I think what's become most

972
00:55:05,800 --> 00:55:08,759
Speaker 4: apparent to me right now, Angela, and this time, is

973
00:55:08,840 --> 00:55:14,520
Speaker 4: how much this democracy relied on our belief in a

974
00:55:14,640 --> 00:55:19,399
Speaker 4: subscription to a set of ideals not necessarily codified in law.

975
00:55:20,200 --> 00:55:22,759
Speaker 4: Not necessarily I mean in this case, we've got a

976
00:55:22,760 --> 00:55:24,640
Speaker 4: lot of it written down in law. It's called the

977
00:55:24,640 --> 00:55:28,319
Speaker 4: Constitution and the first ten Amendments, the Declarations of Independence

978
00:55:28,360 --> 00:55:31,200
Speaker 4: and so on and so forth, but so much of

979
00:55:31,239 --> 00:55:35,879
Speaker 4: it requires an action from us to be preserved. Right.

980
00:55:35,920 --> 00:55:38,520
Speaker 4: That's why the position man Franklin said, we give you

981
00:55:38,600 --> 00:55:42,279
Speaker 4: a republic if you can keep it. If you can

982
00:55:42,360 --> 00:55:45,320
Speaker 4: keep it, part is right now, if we're going to

983
00:55:45,440 --> 00:55:47,839
Speaker 4: keep this thing, we have to raise our voices right

984
00:55:47,840 --> 00:55:51,600
Speaker 4: now to the illegality. That's taking place in relation to yes,

985
00:55:51,640 --> 00:55:55,560
Speaker 4: these journalists, but across the whole system. They are coming

986
00:55:55,600 --> 00:55:59,200
Speaker 4: for us. We know what's happening in Georgia and those

987
00:55:59,280 --> 00:56:01,600
Speaker 4: and the taking of the those ballots. That's yeah, a

988
00:56:01,600 --> 00:56:05,320
Speaker 4: little bit about religating, religating twenty twenty, but it's mostly

989
00:56:05,360 --> 00:56:08,960
Speaker 4: about twenty twenty six and twenty twenty eight and the

990
00:56:09,000 --> 00:56:12,440
Speaker 4: elections that come after. Right, they want to stifle the

991
00:56:12,480 --> 00:56:14,800
Speaker 4: ability for us to get access to that. This fight

992
00:56:14,960 --> 00:56:17,719
Speaker 4: is everywhere. If you are waiting for it to come

993
00:56:17,840 --> 00:56:22,720
Speaker 4: up your block, it's already in your house is on fire,

994
00:56:23,560 --> 00:56:26,600
Speaker 4: and we all have to get a hose, right, We

995
00:56:26,680 --> 00:56:28,799
Speaker 4: all got to put our shoulder to the wheel. Right now.

996
00:56:29,000 --> 00:56:33,440
Speaker 4: I'm so anxious about this because I'm gonna be researching

997
00:56:33,480 --> 00:56:35,799
Speaker 4: the recesses of my mind around what more, what more?

998
00:56:35,920 --> 00:56:37,520
Speaker 4: What more? What more? What more?

999
00:56:38,160 --> 00:56:38,279
Speaker 8: Right?

1000
00:56:38,400 --> 00:56:42,440
Speaker 4: What more? And if you're feeling like you're not doing enough,

1001
00:56:42,520 --> 00:56:46,120
Speaker 4: you're probably right do more. And maybe some of that

1002
00:56:46,200 --> 00:56:51,880
Speaker 4: doing more means enlisting others to join you, But the sidelines,

1003
00:56:51,960 --> 00:56:52,759
Speaker 4: if you own it.

1004
00:56:54,760 --> 00:56:54,880
Speaker 5: All.

1005
00:56:55,400 --> 00:56:57,680
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you this, brother, the one thing again

1006
00:56:57,719 --> 00:56:59,279
Speaker 1: that I know you've come up with some of the

1007
00:56:59,320 --> 00:57:02,440
Speaker 1: most creative responses to these kinds of attacks that I

1008
00:57:02,520 --> 00:57:05,399
Speaker 1: know of, So please tell me if there's something that

1009
00:57:05,440 --> 00:57:08,080
Speaker 1: you need me to do to help amplify whatever strategy

1010
00:57:08,120 --> 00:57:10,640
Speaker 1: you got. You know, I'm ten toes down for you, always,

1011
00:57:10,680 --> 00:57:13,480
Speaker 1: the other friend I know, all of us. Yes, indeed,

1012
00:57:13,760 --> 00:57:17,360
Speaker 1: So with that, we actually do have Abby Loyle's latest statement.

1013
00:57:17,680 --> 00:57:19,160
Speaker 2: We're going to read that as we go out.

1014
00:57:19,200 --> 00:57:22,160
Speaker 1: Please remember, even though we're reading the statement from Don

1015
00:57:22,200 --> 00:57:27,240
Speaker 1: Lemon's attorney, Georgia fort Our, dear sister journalist extraordinaire Emmy

1016
00:57:27,240 --> 00:57:30,840
Speaker 1: Award winning journalist at that in Minnesota, was also arrested

1017
00:57:30,880 --> 00:57:33,560
Speaker 1: this morning in front of her children inside of her home.

1018
00:57:34,160 --> 00:57:38,560
Speaker 2: Also Trey Earn Cruz, a Bush.

1019
00:57:38,320 --> 00:57:41,240
Speaker 1: Foundation fellow who is the co founder of Black Lives Matter,

1020
00:57:41,280 --> 00:57:43,840
Speaker 1: you can put the statement back up. And Jamel Lundy,

1021
00:57:43,920 --> 00:57:46,440
Speaker 1: an attorney who's running for office, who of course they

1022
00:57:46,440 --> 00:57:50,120
Speaker 1: are trying to stifle Don Lemmon. This statement from Abby

1023
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Speaker 1: Lowell for those listening. Don Lemon was taken into custody

1024
00:57:52,800 --> 00:57:56,120
Speaker 1: by federal agents last night in Los Angeles, where he

1025
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Speaker 1: was covering the Grammy Awards. Dona has been a journalist

1026
00:57:59,280 --> 00:58:04,160
Speaker 1: for thirty years and is constitutionally protected. Work in Minneapolis

1027
00:58:04,240 --> 00:58:07,520
Speaker 1: was no different than what he has always done. The

1028
00:58:07,560 --> 00:58:11,000
Speaker 1: First Amendment exists to protect journalists whose role it is

1029
00:58:11,360 --> 00:58:13,960
Speaker 1: to shine light on the truth and hold those in

1030
00:58:14,040 --> 00:58:17,360
Speaker 1: power accountable. There is no more important time for people

1031
00:58:17,440 --> 00:58:20,560
Speaker 1: like Don to be doing this work. Instead of investigating

1032
00:58:20,760 --> 00:58:24,800
Speaker 1: the federal agents who killed two peaceful Minnesota protesters, the

1033
00:58:24,880 --> 00:58:29,840
Speaker 1: Trump Justice Department is devoting its time, attention, and resources

1034
00:58:30,000 --> 00:58:32,720
Speaker 1: to this arrest. And that is the real indictment of

1035
00:58:32,760 --> 00:58:36,680
Speaker 1: wrongdoing in this case. This unprecedented attack on the First

1036
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Speaker 1: Amendment and transparent attempt to distract attention from the many

1037
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Speaker 1: crises facing this administration will not stand. Don will fight

1038
00:58:45,840 --> 00:58:49,480
Speaker 1: these charges vigorously and thoroughly in court. I want to

1039
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Speaker 1: remind our listening audience that the charges against these individuals

1040
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Speaker 1: include the eighteen seventy one KKK Act and then section

1041
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Speaker 1: eighteen USC. Code A, Section two forty eight eighteen USC.

1042
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Speaker 1: Two forty eight Freedom of Access to clinic entrances. If

1043
00:59:11,640 --> 00:59:14,520
Speaker 1: you go back to listen to our podcast with Dawn,

1044
00:59:14,840 --> 00:59:17,959
Speaker 1: we talked about the Face Act, which was a bill

1045
00:59:18,000 --> 00:59:20,480
Speaker 1: that was sponsored by the late Senator Ted Kennedy, and

1046
00:59:20,520 --> 00:59:23,240
Speaker 1: what it is really about, you will see that neither

1047
00:59:23,320 --> 00:59:27,720
Speaker 1: eighteen USC. Section two forty eight and neither eighteen USC.

1048
00:59:28,160 --> 00:59:30,760
Speaker 1: Section two forty one apply. Section two forty one is

1049
00:59:30,800 --> 00:59:33,880
Speaker 1: the KKK Act. These do not apply here. These charges

1050
00:59:33,920 --> 00:59:36,720
Speaker 1: will not stand. Hopefully they go before judges with good

1051
00:59:36,760 --> 00:59:40,800
Speaker 1: intention who can actually read and interpret and apply the law.

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Speaker 1: Until then, Welcome home, y'all.

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