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Speaker 1: Coming to you live from the Cross Country Mortgage Campus

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Speaker 1: in Barrea, Ohio. This is Cleveland Brown's Daily, presented by

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Speaker 1: Bally BTT, an official sports betting partner of your Cleveland

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Speaker 1: Brown's on eight fifty ESPN Cleveland. Here are your hosts,

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Speaker 1: Bo Bishop and Nathan ZEGURAA.

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Speaker 2: All right, let's you're live on a Tuesday edition of

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Speaker 2: the program. I am merely Bo.

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Speaker 3: The great Girard Sherry is here down at the home

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Speaker 3: office at Good Carmen, down down on the flats, and.

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Speaker 2: Ghibe is here as well. Boys.

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Speaker 3: We ought to just forget this and just get outside

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Speaker 3: in this gorgeous weather and live a little bit. You're right,

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Speaker 3: I mean what this is everything you'd ever want today?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, perfect day to go outside and shoot some hoops.

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Speaker 4: Right, you're gonna checked the wind, man. I was coming

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Speaker 4: across the four eighty boat and I was convinced I

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Speaker 4: was gonna get pushed off the side of the ledge

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Speaker 4: of the of the bridge, That's how hard the wind

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Speaker 4: was blown.

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Speaker 2: I'm like, what are we in?

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Speaker 5: My man?

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Speaker 2: Good lord? What happened here?

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Speaker 6: So?

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Speaker 3: I was you and I live in a very similar location.

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Speaker 3: I was turnpiking over.

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Speaker 2: Uh huh.

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Speaker 3: I was turnpiking over and when I hit uh, probably

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Speaker 3: Brexville exit, a little pass like going up that hill

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Speaker 3: to the rest area on the turnpike, there was I

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Speaker 3: just saw a wall of water. It was just a

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Speaker 3: wall of water that was coming and then wind wind

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Speaker 3: that slowed me two or three miles an hour when

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Speaker 3: I hit it, like it was just like hitting a wall. So, yeah,

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Speaker 3: we had a little teas yesterday. Yesterday was nice and

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Speaker 3: then today, give a has it been like this all day?

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Speaker 7: Here?

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Speaker 5: Just wet and cold and gross. The wind is picked

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Speaker 5: up a lot more this morning. It wasn't awful. I

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Speaker 5: was outside with the dogs, wasn't there. Ok, yeah, you

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Speaker 5: know things. But it has gone steadily downhill since now.

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Speaker 5: I heard by the end of the week we're back

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Speaker 5: up to like seventy two and the like it's gonna

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Speaker 5: rain every other day. It's bad tomorrow though, right, Yeah,

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Speaker 5: today and tomorrow suck.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I gotta tell you, I'm at the I think

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Speaker 3: that April April may be worse than March.

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Speaker 2: Ah.

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Speaker 4: That's a tough one, both because I get what you're

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Speaker 4: saying though, because you're thinking, Okay, in April, warm things up.

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Speaker 4: It should be a break from the norm and we

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Speaker 4: have snow in April. So I feel what you're saying

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Speaker 4: we did. And I'm not counting May out. No, you

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Speaker 4: can't count May out.

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Speaker 2: Who knows what could happen there, Man, you could have

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Speaker 2: some of this in May.

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Speaker 3: You could sneak up on you. I just think the

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Speaker 3: teas of April, you will have a day that's seventy

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Speaker 3: two and you're like, okay, let's go, and then you're

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Speaker 3: right back to this, whereas in March.

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Speaker 2: Now, I just March.

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Speaker 3: I've given up on March is February to me now,

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Speaker 3: like there's not much difference. You get like three days

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Speaker 3: of the month that are good, the rest from all suck.

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Speaker 3: So that's kind of the way that is. Buddy, we

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Speaker 3: are nine days until the NFL Draft. How do you

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Speaker 3: doing what you do on next level and doing what

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Speaker 3: Ze and I do here? How do you attempt to

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Speaker 3: separate the fact from the fiction of what all is happening?

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Speaker 2: And what is a smoke screen? What is liar's poker

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Speaker 2: and what's the actual truth? Eh?

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Speaker 4: The crazy thing about it? Bo I take it all

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Speaker 4: into perspective that is all one and the same. I

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Speaker 4: know that sounds convoluted, But it really is all one

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Speaker 4: to say because at any given moment having gone through

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Speaker 4: the process, and I think that's what gives me insiders

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Speaker 4: look at it. Because I've been down that road before

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Speaker 4: as a draft pick, I know that you could be

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Speaker 4: told one thing and something completely different can turn out.

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Speaker 4: For example, when I was getting drafted, at the last minute,

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Speaker 4: I get a call from the Kansas City Chief saying

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Speaker 4: that they want to take me in the first round,

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Speaker 4: but I have to take less money. Now, in hindsight,

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Speaker 4: I should have took the less money went to the

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Speaker 4: situation as far as being with a stable organization. Instead

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Speaker 4: there was constant phone conversations taking place, and teams that

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Speaker 4: all of a sudden had interest in me, and teams

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Speaker 4: next thing. You know, I'm not even hearing anything from

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Speaker 4: my agent standpoint of them contacted him. So all those

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Speaker 4: things factor into means simply that you can wake up

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Speaker 4: that morning as a Andrew Berry and the rest of

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Speaker 4: the collaboration and have a change of heart or get

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Speaker 4: to offer.

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Speaker 2: You simply can't refuse.

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Speaker 4: And it could boil down to that because again, none

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Speaker 4: of this is linear. It ebbs and it flows.

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Speaker 3: It's a great story about going through the processes you did,

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Speaker 3: because you know one thing that I've been curious about here,

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Speaker 3: and I well have Charles Davis on at one twenty

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Speaker 3: and talk to him about it too. And I've asked

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Speaker 3: some of the draft analysts that we've had on the show, like,

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Speaker 3: at what point are you like, all right, this is

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Speaker 3: my board, these are my guys, and do you at

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Speaker 3: any point shut off?

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Speaker 2: Kind of like the faucet of new ideas.

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Speaker 3: So what I mean by that is we had Matt

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Speaker 3: Waldman on right and I asked him, all right, what's

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Speaker 3: your process to come up with your final decisions on

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Speaker 3: these These guys haven't played football forever, Gerrod right, like

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Speaker 3: all of the Shnur Sanderstalk, he hasn't played a football

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Speaker 3: game in months, and there's all this varying degrees about

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Speaker 3: what people think about him. And my theory on that

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Speaker 3: is he's good for content if you have a mock

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Speaker 3: draft or you do stuff like you and I do.

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Speaker 3: He's easy to talk about. Everybody knows who he is.

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Speaker 3: Everybody knows who his dad is. So in terms of

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Speaker 3: what he is on the field, he's the same guy

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Speaker 3: now as he was at the end of the year.

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Speaker 3: Nothing's changed there. The tape's the tape. The tape don't lie.

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Speaker 3: So it's all this ancillary stuff that gets you the

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Speaker 3: point where changing your opinion on him. And I do

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Speaker 3: wonder about that with NFL teams, do you get to

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Speaker 3: a point where it's like information overload and you start

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Speaker 3: guessing even the things you believe in. And around here

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Speaker 3: they'll talk about process, right, we have to stay true

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Speaker 3: to the process, but it's all variable to your point, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: it so depends on what's in front of you.

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Speaker 4: Right, we have to say what correlation is association, but

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Speaker 4: it can't be defenditive. And here's the thing, it's all

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Speaker 4: subjectivity at the end of the day. Yes, there could

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Speaker 4: be something that Shader said in a meeting, in a workout,

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Speaker 4: a certain action that you really just doesn't sit well

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Speaker 4: with you. For example, me being a former defensive back,

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Speaker 4: whenever I see a quarterback pack the football that's a

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Speaker 4: negative trait for me. Why because, simply put, that was

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Speaker 4: my way of anticipating when the ball was going to

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Speaker 4: be thrown. So with that in mind, if I'm in

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Speaker 4: that meeting room, like, look at him, he's a ball patter.

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Speaker 2: He's a ball patter.

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Speaker 4: Now, Dan Rolski is done a great job of telling

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Speaker 4: you how other quarterbacks who are great have also been ballpatters,

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Speaker 4: like a Tom Brady, like hey, Dan Marino. Now, granted,

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Speaker 4: but we're not gonna go down that road, right. So

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Speaker 4: it always comes back to from a subjective standpoint, how

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Speaker 4: don't vibe well with and it is what it is,

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Speaker 4: while others you like, you know what, I like that guy.

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Speaker 2: I don't know why, but I like that guy.

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Speaker 4: And next thing, you know, you find yourself drafted and

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Speaker 4: that guy simply on the intangible of you like them.

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Speaker 2: And sometimes it's that simple.

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Speaker 3: Yes, And I think what we all want and you know,

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Speaker 3: root for the Browns, work for the Browns like we do,

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Speaker 3: and I think what I keep coming back to this,

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Speaker 3: I've thinking about this on the way in, as I

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Speaker 3: they take take something, that take players that are true

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Speaker 3: to their conviction, because I think that's all you ever want.

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Speaker 3: You think about what you and I do for a living, right,

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Speaker 3: you're betting on you. There's nothing else. You're the commodity.

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Speaker 2: You're it.

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Speaker 3: So you have to be authentically you every time you

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Speaker 3: get on a mic, because otherwise it's all lie, right, Like,

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Speaker 3: you got to be who you are and you got

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Speaker 3: to be honest to it. And so I think what

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Speaker 3: we want is you've been tasked with this job, You've

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Speaker 2: Damn it.

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Speaker 3: Take the guys that you have conviction about and then

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Speaker 3: live with that one way or another. There's no way

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Speaker 3: to full proof this, buddy. There's just as many much

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Speaker 3: of a chance that a quarterback is a bust as

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Speaker 3: a d nz a bust, as a as a safety's

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Speaker 3: a bust. Quarterbacks are just there's a brighter light on

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Speaker 3: them when they bust. But there's look at the Jed

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Speaker 3: Will situation, He's gone, not even not even on a

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Speaker 3: roster right now, buddy, he was a tenth pick in

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Speaker 3: the draft, right But you don't hear about it because

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Speaker 3: there's not a jersey walking around town with his name

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Speaker 3: on it with all the offensive line bus. But there's

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Speaker 3: bus everywhere's a bust. So for me, take the people

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Speaker 3: you're convicted with. You're hired for a reason, trust that,

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Speaker 3: and take people you believe in. I think if you

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Speaker 3: do that, that's your best chance. And even that's not

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Speaker 4: And since I'm a commodity, I feel like I'm platinum today.

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Speaker 4: With that being said, you're absolutely right. I've always told

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Speaker 4: people because I experienced it and I saw what you

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Speaker 4: just say lived out in that. If you're especially with

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Speaker 4: the quarterback position, in a space to where there's some

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Speaker 4: doubt and there's some disillusionment with that person and what

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Speaker 4: they represent, and it is not across the board everyone's

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Speaker 4: backing it and feeling that this is the leader, this

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Speaker 4: us for the next five to ten years. If you

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Speaker 4: don't feel that way and it's not consensus, do not

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Speaker 4: make that move. Because here's the thing, and I heard

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Speaker 4: this from another prominent figure whose name ascapes me right

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Speaker 4: now in the NFL world, who is responsible for picking people.

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Speaker 4: He said, you never know what a player is going

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Speaker 4: to do once they get money in the bank account.

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Speaker 4: And that's so true. That applies for free agency and

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Speaker 4: applies to the draft. You never know how a guy's

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Speaker 4: one thing I do know is that if you're gonna

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Speaker 4: the room is divided on that guy and what he

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Speaker 4: represent and it could be any position, you're absolutely right

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Speaker 4: you're not going to succeed. The ones who succeed don't

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Speaker 4: have factionalism taking place. They have consensus, they have an understanding,

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Speaker 6: I mean, that gone bonkers, And as best I can

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Speaker 6: determine as we sit here today, multiple years later, there's

438
00:20:10,440 --> 00:20:13,560
Speaker 6: absolutely nothing to it. But so you have to So

439
00:20:13,600 --> 00:20:15,360
Speaker 6: you have to learn how to filter as you go.

440
00:20:15,640 --> 00:20:19,520
Speaker 6: I'm not saying you always get it right. Look these

441
00:20:19,520 --> 00:20:23,440
Speaker 6: poor kids that go through it. When Will Levis walked

442
00:20:23,480 --> 00:20:26,159
Speaker 6: in the room three years ago, two years ago, when

443
00:20:26,200 --> 00:20:30,520
Speaker 6: he walked into the draft, I think you guys probably

444
00:20:30,520 --> 00:20:35,199
Speaker 6: remember you heard someone say Will who Levis is rising

445
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Speaker 6: because he go in the top ten, the top five

446
00:20:37,520 --> 00:20:41,600
Speaker 6: tonight and poor kid didn't get drafted the first night,

447
00:20:41,680 --> 00:20:44,120
Speaker 6: had to go home and get drafted the second day.

448
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Speaker 6: I think it's a terrific question. I think the more

449
00:20:46,440 --> 00:20:49,679
Speaker 6: experienced people, they've got a pretty well locked down and

450
00:20:49,720 --> 00:20:53,479
Speaker 6: they'll take other things that come through. But for the

451
00:20:53,480 --> 00:20:56,320
Speaker 6: most part, it has to be really, really compelling for

452
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Speaker 6: them to move off of where they already are.

453
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Speaker 4: And for me interested in dot Communey's taking place with

454
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Speaker 4: the quarterback position, is that I see Chadur Sanders and

455
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Speaker 4: I'll say, allegedly slipping, while I see a Jalen Millroe.

456
00:21:12,320 --> 00:21:15,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, why from your.

457
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Speaker 6: Perspective, Look, everybody's got good PR nowadays, right, Like you're

458
00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:22,080
Speaker 6: not worth your salt if you not good PR people.

459
00:21:23,720 --> 00:21:26,679
Speaker 6: And you may have people who are placing things in

460
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Speaker 6: the media with us because we are all media members

461
00:21:30,520 --> 00:21:35,680
Speaker 6: right to either help or hurt. Sometimes you don't want

462
00:21:35,720 --> 00:21:38,240
Speaker 6: to be in a certain place and certain things that

463
00:21:38,240 --> 00:21:40,440
Speaker 6: are said so that maybe you end up somewhere else.

464
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Speaker 6: Somebody really wants a certain player and doesn't feel like

465
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Speaker 6: they can get to them early. So if you get

466
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Speaker 6: something into where they're slipping slipping slipping, maybe it works

467
00:21:48,760 --> 00:21:50,239
Speaker 6: and you get all the way down to where you

468
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Speaker 6: are and you take them anyway. There are a million

469
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Speaker 6: things that go on, but I'll put to you this way,

470
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Speaker 6: It's very simple to me. Neither one of them is

471
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Speaker 6: thrown a football in competent condition. Shador hasn't since the

472
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Speaker 6: Bowl game and Jason Milroe hasn't since the Senior Bowl.

473
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Speaker 6: So what exactly has changed that much? Is a Pro

474
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Speaker 6: Day going to change it that much? For most people?

475
00:22:11,800 --> 00:22:14,760
Speaker 6: The best quarterback evaluators I know tell me now, the

476
00:22:14,840 --> 00:22:17,679
Speaker 6: Pro Day doesn't change it that much. You take it

477
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Speaker 6: into account and you analyze it, but it doesn't change

478
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Speaker 6: it that much. Remember Teddy Bridgewaters Pro Day when he

479
00:22:24,480 --> 00:22:26,240
Speaker 6: decided he was going to show everyone he could throw

480
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Speaker 6: without gloves because he'd heard all the chatter about the gloves,

481
00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:32,840
Speaker 6: and it could not have gone worse for him. I

482
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Speaker 6: think it is one of those days where he was

483
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Speaker 6: without the gloves that got in his head and he

484
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Speaker 6: had a bad day. He still picked in the first round.

485
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Speaker 6: I mean, you know, it can only leer me. Ton

486
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Speaker 6: Sill in a gas mask. I don't know there could

487
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Speaker 6: be a worse optic. I just don't know there's a

488
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Speaker 6: worse optic. Right inhaling a gas mask with a Confederate

489
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Speaker 6: flag over the back in the back of the picture,

490
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Speaker 6: and he slipped. Remember he was supposed to be probably

491
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Speaker 6: the top five guy. He slipped at thirteen. You see

492
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Speaker 6: where I'm going with this. Yeah, great players, great people.

493
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Speaker 6: You know, people have evaluations. It takes a lot to

494
00:23:10,359 --> 00:23:12,280
Speaker 6: blow things up, guys.

495
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Speaker 2: It does.

496
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Speaker 3: And it's also Jeri and I were talking about this

497
00:23:15,119 --> 00:23:17,800
Speaker 3: Charles like Chadour's low hanging fruit. Everybody knows who is

498
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Speaker 3: he is. His dad's one of the most famous athletes

499
00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:22,840
Speaker 3: in the United States history. Like, everybody knows who he is.

500
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Speaker 3: So like from a content perspective, it's easy to talk

501
00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:27,560
Speaker 3: about him, and it's easy for you to take an

502
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Speaker 3: aside on him. So it's almost I mean, it's like

503
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Speaker 3: this happened with Tebow and the lead up to that

504
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Speaker 3: draft when you're ultra No, it's gonna happen with arch

505
00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:36,280
Speaker 3: Manning in two years or whenever he comes out. It'll

506
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Speaker 3: be the same thing, because it's just crazy to talk

507
00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:39,439
Speaker 3: about him.

508
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Speaker 2: And so that's not that's a big part.

509
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Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, sorry, I didn't mean. I'm so sorry. Your

510
00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:47,720
Speaker 6: point is so well taken. But here's the thing. For

511
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Speaker 6: all of those guys, every one of those guys that

512
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Speaker 6: you named, for every great thing that they're said, you know,

513
00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:57,800
Speaker 6: there's a bunch of people that are jealous, tired of

514
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Speaker 6: hearing about them, sick of those guys, didn't like the dad,

515
00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:05,439
Speaker 6: you know, whatever it is, so the doors had to

516
00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:09,760
Speaker 6: handle it both ways. Right, It's not just he's popped

517
00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:12,760
Speaker 6: up because he's Dion's son, because I mean, I'm reading

518
00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:16,080
Speaker 6: those reports now, well, if this was somebody else at quarterback,

519
00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:18,080
Speaker 6: you wouldn't even rate him a second round or okay,

520
00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:21,119
Speaker 6: got it. The flip side is there are plenty of

521
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Speaker 6: people who are hoping he slips on the banana peel. Right,

522
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Speaker 6: They're hoping that he does fall in his face and

523
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Speaker 6: fails because they didn't like Dion. They don't like how

524
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Speaker 6: Dion's done it here. They don't like this, they don't

525
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Speaker 6: like that. I don't believe I'm in a position where

526
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Speaker 6: I am defending, nor am I boosting. I'm trying to evaluate.

527
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Speaker 6: But I do think I see it very clearly that

528
00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:44,800
Speaker 6: a good number of people, the number of the evaluations,

529
00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:47,679
Speaker 6: are much more rooted in I don't want him to

530
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Speaker 6: succeed as opposed to what do you really believe about

531
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Speaker 6: him as a player?

532
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Speaker 4: Wow, that is and yeah, I certainly see that angle

533
00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:58,119
Speaker 4: and sentiment. You can feel it in sense at times,

534
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Speaker 4: and I'll be frank with you, I always felt that, yes,

535
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Speaker 4: he's a good prospect. At the same time, I didn't

536
00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:07,439
Speaker 4: see the second pick overall in my own evaluation, and

537
00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:09,080
Speaker 4: it had nothing to do with prime time, because heck,

538
00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:12,679
Speaker 4: I wore shoes growing up, so I was fitting. So

539
00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:15,879
Speaker 4: it was the issue for me in that regard. But

540
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Speaker 4: I do think this is a truth. If there's anyone

541
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Speaker 4: better prepared to be a quarterback in the National Football

542
00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:27,520
Speaker 4: League based upon being involved with the league and understanding

543
00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:30,240
Speaker 4: how it works and adaptation to it, I couldn't see

544
00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:32,800
Speaker 4: a better prospect than he because of where he's coming

545
00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:35,040
Speaker 4: from and his upbringing. What are your thoughts on that?

546
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Speaker 6: Yeah, I think it's a great point, and it gives

547
00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:40,280
Speaker 6: him a leg up. He's been living this lifestyle since

548
00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:44,040
Speaker 6: he realized it was a lifestyle. Like once once he

549
00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:48,840
Speaker 6: realized who his father was. Whatever age that flared in right,

550
00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:51,719
Speaker 6: whatever age he was at in event he was at something,

551
00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:55,800
Speaker 6: he was at the playground and someone said something primes kids.

552
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Speaker 6: You know, wow, oh here it comes to here comes

553
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Speaker 6: a little prime you know, because I can hear now

554
00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:02,640
Speaker 6: my dad would be the type of guy. Hey, there's

555
00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:05,680
Speaker 6: a little prime over there, you know, that's that sort

556
00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:09,560
Speaker 6: of a thing, and he's like, hmm, this is this

557
00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:12,440
Speaker 6: seems good? Right, this is this seems good? And then

558
00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:14,119
Speaker 6: he goes on and of course you go on and

559
00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:16,680
Speaker 6: you flare into it. All those things do come into

560
00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:20,280
Speaker 6: play for him. The overall evaluation, though, I think, is

561
00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:23,760
Speaker 6: a fair one. You have a number of people who say, Okay,

562
00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:26,400
Speaker 6: what is the outstanding trait that we're talking about, because

563
00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:28,480
Speaker 6: typically you talk about the number two pick in the draft,

564
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Speaker 6: they have traits that you can point to and go,

565
00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:33,760
Speaker 6: this is this is excellent. He excels here, he does it.

566
00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:36,920
Speaker 6: I think for him, the best parts of his game

567
00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:42,520
Speaker 6: are he has experience with the spotlight. I think he's

568
00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:44,920
Speaker 6: got enough more than I think he's got enough arm

569
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Speaker 6: to do what he does. He's got accuracy, and I

570
00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:51,280
Speaker 6: think he's got toughness, extreme toughness. He got hit a

571
00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:52,199
Speaker 6: lot at Colorado.

572
00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:54,040
Speaker 1: Some of that was his.

573
00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:57,040
Speaker 6: Own doing, holding the ball too long, not speeding up

574
00:26:57,040 --> 00:26:59,320
Speaker 6: the process of what he's doing. But he answered the

575
00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:02,119
Speaker 6: bell all the time, and they won a bunch of games.

576
00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:05,119
Speaker 6: You know, after they get they're footing underneath them right

577
00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:07,760
Speaker 6: from four and eight and really essentially reversed the record

578
00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:10,440
Speaker 6: the next year in contention for a you know, a

579
00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:15,119
Speaker 6: conference title down the stretch, one conference title of Jackson State.

580
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Speaker 6: You know, the kid understands that part and understands how

581
00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:22,920
Speaker 6: to play. When you tell me what his outstanding, most

582
00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:25,160
Speaker 6: outstanding trade is, I'm not sure you're gonna have one.

583
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Speaker 6: I'm not sure you're gonna say, well, it's not his arm. Well,

584
00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:29,560
Speaker 6: and he's certainly not the fastest you've seen, you know,

585
00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:31,880
Speaker 6: he's not the biggest you've seen, you know, those sorts

586
00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:35,000
Speaker 6: of things that come into play. But his package and

587
00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:38,600
Speaker 6: being able to play I think from the pocket better

588
00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:41,879
Speaker 6: than the other quarterbacks we're talking about, I think is there.

589
00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:45,000
Speaker 6: But I think like all college quarterbacks, his process has

590
00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:52,520
Speaker 6: the speed up. Okay, look, you can tell everybody they

591
00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:55,719
Speaker 6: think they can get out of anything in college, and

592
00:27:55,800 --> 00:28:00,440
Speaker 6: in most cases they're kind of right, and then they

593
00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:02,400
Speaker 6: try and get out of something early in their pro

594
00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:04,760
Speaker 6: days and they get run down like they're out in

595
00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:08,600
Speaker 6: the Veldt and zoom bang, whoa, whoa, whoa. Where did

596
00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:11,600
Speaker 6: he come from? I remember Russell Wilson told me that

597
00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:13,960
Speaker 6: last year, his first year. He said, you know, I

598
00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:16,360
Speaker 6: used to dance around move and all that. He said,

599
00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:19,400
Speaker 6: I took off going one of my early pro games,

600
00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:23,640
Speaker 6: and I had clocked where the backer was and next thing,

601
00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:25,199
Speaker 6: I was on the ground and I looked up and

602
00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:27,480
Speaker 6: it was him. So where the heck did he come from?

603
00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:30,679
Speaker 6: How did he get here so fast? To different level?

604
00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:33,520
Speaker 6: That's what they all have to go through. I'll just

605
00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:36,280
Speaker 6: leave it with this Caleb Williams tape from last year

606
00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:38,560
Speaker 6: in Chicago where he took all those sacks. Everybody's like, God,

607
00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:41,000
Speaker 6: that line's terrible and all that. I'm not saying the

608
00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:43,720
Speaker 6: line was a bunch of world buers. They weren't the Eagles,

609
00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:47,000
Speaker 6: but you turned on the tape. He's got to take

610
00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:49,800
Speaker 6: ownership for a lot of those sacks because he tried

611
00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:52,360
Speaker 6: to keep plays alive. He tried to get out of stuff.

612
00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:53,080
Speaker 5: The stuff he.

613
00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:55,760
Speaker 6: Did at USC that worked so well doesn't always work

614
00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:56,560
Speaker 6: on the NFL.

615
00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:58,160
Speaker 2: Level, No, it doesn't.

616
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Speaker 3: Talking to you the Great Charles Dave, NFL Draft analyst,

617
00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:04,760
Speaker 3: NFL on CBS, College Football on CBS as well. Coming

618
00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:07,360
Speaker 3: up next season, we are nine days out, my friend,

619
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Speaker 3: let's add another job for you and say you're the

620
00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:12,200
Speaker 3: general manager of the Cleveland Browns. Now what would you

621
00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:14,760
Speaker 3: do with the number two overall pick in this draft

622
00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:15,680
Speaker 3: if you were the Browns.

623
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Speaker 6: First things first, you know, if I'm Andrew Berry and

624
00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:22,840
Speaker 6: Kevin Stefanski in ownership, I've identified whether or not I

625
00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:25,400
Speaker 6: want to use it on a quarterback, and I know

626
00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:27,320
Speaker 6: who the quarterbacks are that I want to use it on.

627
00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:28,960
Speaker 6: I don't know what their list says. I'll know if

628
00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:30,920
Speaker 6: the list is. Is there one guy we'd use it on?

629
00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:32,960
Speaker 6: Is there two we'd use it? I don't know that.

630
00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:36,080
Speaker 6: All I'm saying is what I use it on a quarterback?

631
00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:39,000
Speaker 6: And do I have that quarterback rated to where I

632
00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:42,120
Speaker 6: would take him if I have the opportunity. Okay, so

633
00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:44,720
Speaker 6: you know that comes down to really, do you like

634
00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:47,640
Speaker 6: cam or do you like Shador? Are you gonna throw

635
00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:49,880
Speaker 6: Jackson Dart in there? You're throwing Tyler Shuck in there?

636
00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:52,600
Speaker 6: You see what I'm saying, That's what you have to do.

637
00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:56,960
Speaker 6: That's your first move. You know, the deal quarterback that

638
00:29:57,080 --> 00:30:01,120
Speaker 6: I like is there, I'm taking him? If not, who

639
00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:03,440
Speaker 6: is the next person I like the best? Do I

640
00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:05,760
Speaker 6: like to have dual Carter better? Do I like Travis

641
00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:08,680
Speaker 6: on or better? And I'm prepared to make my selection

642
00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:12,120
Speaker 6: he also, you got to know have you have you

643
00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:15,600
Speaker 6: made a decision if the phone rings, do you have

644
00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:18,560
Speaker 6: that conversation or are you stuck on I want one

645
00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:21,360
Speaker 6: of these options. They're going through all that now, Andrew

646
00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:24,120
Speaker 6: Berry is going through all that. He's prepping everybody for

647
00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:26,360
Speaker 6: what they want to do. He's he's sitting in with

648
00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:30,360
Speaker 6: with with with the haslums to talk about this, obviously,

649
00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:34,920
Speaker 6: sitting with Kevin Stefanski his scouting group. Ultimately, he makes

650
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:37,200
Speaker 6: the final decision and they know as the unit how

651
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Speaker 6: they go forward. But to me, it all starts. Is

652
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:41,920
Speaker 6: there a quarterback I like? And if he's there, am

653
00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:44,600
Speaker 6: I taking him? If he's not, who's the next person

654
00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:47,480
Speaker 6: that I want from your and I.

655
00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:50,840
Speaker 3: Make and I make my pick from your perspective on

656
00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:52,760
Speaker 3: this if it and it feels like Cam's going to

657
00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:59,080
Speaker 3: go one. Who who do you love the most? Position agnostic?

658
00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:02,760
Speaker 3: Who do you love the most? You gotta you gotta

659
00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:05,480
Speaker 3: get a player here? This guy I know will be

660
00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:05,920
Speaker 3: a player.

661
00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:11,160
Speaker 6: Yeah, Travis Hunter. For me, it's Travis Hunter. And and

662
00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:12,480
Speaker 6: I don't care which side of the ball you want

663
00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:15,240
Speaker 6: to start him on. But I had a great conversation

664
00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:19,160
Speaker 6: with Ronde Barber the Hall of Fame corner. He took

665
00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:21,680
Speaker 6: me and a few other people threw a breakdown of

666
00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:24,640
Speaker 6: Travis as a as a corner. And you know when

667
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:26,920
Speaker 6: you listen to the great talk and you learn, right,

668
00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:29,760
Speaker 6: if you just shut your mouth and open your ears, right,

669
00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:32,680
Speaker 6: you learn. And I'm sitting there learning from Ronde about

670
00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:37,040
Speaker 6: different things. And he took us through him as a corner. Okay,

671
00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:38,640
Speaker 6: And a lot of the tape was, well, this is

672
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:40,920
Speaker 6: wrong here, and this technique's bad here, and this is bad.

673
00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:43,320
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, just broke up the past. Okay, he took

674
00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:45,200
Speaker 6: a false step here, he did this wrong, he did oh,

675
00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:49,320
Speaker 6: he just intercepted the past. He's like, he just needs

676
00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:51,840
Speaker 6: working the technique, that's all he's talking about. Just give

677
00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:54,719
Speaker 6: him work on the technique and he's gonna be phenomenal.

678
00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:57,160
Speaker 6: But the last thing he left and left us with

679
00:31:57,440 --> 00:32:00,480
Speaker 6: was if you're going to play him full time as

680
00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:04,400
Speaker 6: a receiver, much harder to play in part time as

681
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:07,840
Speaker 6: a corner. If you're gonna playhim full time as a corner,

682
00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:10,480
Speaker 6: much easier to play him full but playing part time

683
00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:13,400
Speaker 6: as a receiver. And he talked about the technique that

684
00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:17,440
Speaker 6: goes into it less technique going with the receiver position,

685
00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:20,640
Speaker 6: where sometimes you just add athlete people do things. The

686
00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:23,080
Speaker 6: technique is a corner. You screw that up, you've just

687
00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:25,959
Speaker 6: given up six. And that was kind of where he

688
00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:28,360
Speaker 6: left it. That was his belief, and it makes a

689
00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:31,400
Speaker 6: lot of sense to me personally. If I draft him,

690
00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:33,280
Speaker 6: I'm figuring out which out of ball I'm putting him on,

691
00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:37,120
Speaker 6: and I'm going there full time and I'm sprinkling in

692
00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:40,480
Speaker 6: the other stuff lightly until i know he's got it.

693
00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:43,680
Speaker 6: And he continues to grow as a person, mature body

694
00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:45,880
Speaker 6: gets bigger and stronger. Guys, I don't think he played

695
00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:48,920
Speaker 6: at one hundred and eighty pounds last year myself. I

696
00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:51,880
Speaker 6: have nothing empirical to prove it. That's just my belief.

697
00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:54,520
Speaker 6: I know he weighed one eighty eight at the combine,

698
00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:56,120
Speaker 6: but you know, you know what we do for that.

699
00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:58,200
Speaker 6: We got guys who cut weight to run fast. We

700
00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:01,640
Speaker 6: got guys who had weight. We're drinking some right, They're

701
00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:03,600
Speaker 6: drinking all that water. As soon as they step off

702
00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:05,640
Speaker 6: the scale, they spread for the bathroom and stay there

703
00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:07,960
Speaker 6: for a day. I mean, we know how that all

704
00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:11,240
Speaker 6: that works. I just think that his body is going

705
00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:14,280
Speaker 6: to continue to grow and mature. That's what I'm gonna

706
00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:16,040
Speaker 6: want to add more and more to him as he

707
00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:19,520
Speaker 6: masters one side of the ball. If I'm Cleveland, he's

708
00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:21,080
Speaker 6: playing receiver for me right away.

709
00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:23,160
Speaker 2: Yeah.

710
00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:26,520
Speaker 4: That's that's interesting because there are poured out. I can't

711
00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:29,560
Speaker 4: confirm it that Hunter made the statement that if he

712
00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:31,880
Speaker 4: doesn't play both sides of the ball that he will

713
00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:35,160
Speaker 4: not play in his he will not pursue his career. Now,

714
00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:36,280
Speaker 4: we don't know if that's true or false.

715
00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:43,840
Speaker 6: Yeah, okay, okay, all right, yeah, no, Like I'm a

716
00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:45,800
Speaker 6: I'm all for him wanting to play both sides of

717
00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:47,880
Speaker 6: the ball. The idea that he's going to be like

718
00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:50,240
Speaker 6: take his ball and go home because he can't play

719
00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:54,040
Speaker 6: both sides and immediately, I just think that's folly. I

720
00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:56,239
Speaker 6: think that I think that whoever drafts him is going

721
00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:58,800
Speaker 6: to work with him on that. Let let's say we

722
00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:03,960
Speaker 6: master this side first and will lightly sprinkle in some stuff.

723
00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:07,680
Speaker 6: I think that that's fine. We've seen that throughout time

724
00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:09,799
Speaker 6: in the NFL where people have done some of that,

725
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:12,040
Speaker 6: and then let's see how much more you can handle

726
00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:14,600
Speaker 6: on your plate. I know you played one hundred and

727
00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:19,200
Speaker 6: fifteen plays a game in college that's wonderful. Maybe you'll

728
00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:21,759
Speaker 6: play less plays in the NFL, but the hitting that

729
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:24,319
Speaker 6: goes along with it. You're playing grown men. And by

730
00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:26,799
Speaker 6: the way, he ran a lot of routes and beat

731
00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:29,799
Speaker 6: people down fields that were guys like me. I was

732
00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:32,000
Speaker 6: a decent college player. I didn't make it in the NFL.

733
00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:34,719
Speaker 6: Every guy you play against in the NFL is an

734
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:39,719
Speaker 6: NFL player. It's a different deal. So that's all. That's

735
00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:41,759
Speaker 6: all I would say. And the idea that he's gonna

736
00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:44,080
Speaker 6: take his ball and go home, I'm like, yeah, I

737
00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:45,319
Speaker 6: have a hard time believing that.

738
00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:48,920
Speaker 3: Early you one of my favorite things you do NFL

739
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:49,399
Speaker 3: dot com.

740
00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:50,000
Speaker 5: You can read it.

741
00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:55,000
Speaker 3: You're twelve pound the table for athletes in round one.

742
00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:58,160
Speaker 3: If you had to pick a favorite other than Travis,

743
00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:01,760
Speaker 3: who you've expanded upon quite eloquently, and I think appropriately there,

744
00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:03,960
Speaker 3: who are who is the one that you're like that

745
00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:04,919
Speaker 3: I love this guy.

746
00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:08,719
Speaker 6: It's the one that I took probably the biggest leap

747
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:11,160
Speaker 6: on his Willie Lampkin, the center out of North Carolina.

748
00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:14,160
Speaker 6: He's just too small and too and doesn't weigh enough.

749
00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:17,840
Speaker 6: But I couldn't. I can't. I can't stop loving him.

750
00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:21,400
Speaker 6: He had a big Senior Bowl week, meaning he battled

751
00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:24,600
Speaker 6: everything that came his way to center at five eleven

752
00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:28,759
Speaker 6: two seventy. Okay, that's supposed to be converted to maybe

753
00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:31,200
Speaker 6: a full back. Can you play full back like we've

754
00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:34,200
Speaker 6: seen people do that before, convert from from another position?

755
00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:38,040
Speaker 6: Can he do that? We'll say? But I think he's

756
00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:40,279
Speaker 6: a really good player at center. I just don't know

757
00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:42,400
Speaker 6: if he's going to be big enough. So I'm pounded

758
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:43,880
Speaker 6: the table like crazy guy. I want him to get

759
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:46,520
Speaker 6: a full shot at center. And it's funny because I

760
00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:48,960
Speaker 6: kept saying, well, he's a Q Shipley, d Q Shipley's

761
00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:52,719
Speaker 6: REMBERREAKQ ended up starting for Bruce Arians with the Cardinals

762
00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:55,359
Speaker 6: on that great run when those Cardinals teams are really good,

763
00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:57,320
Speaker 6: and they went to an NFC championship game with Carson

764
00:35:57,320 --> 00:35:59,960
Speaker 6: Palmer and crew, and I was like, he's a huge

765
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:02,640
Speaker 6: Shipley who was undersized, his arms were too short, the

766
00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:04,279
Speaker 6: whole deal. And then I went and looked it up.

767
00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:10,200
Speaker 6: AQ had him by twenty pounds. Oh oh man, I'm

768
00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:12,480
Speaker 6: really out on the limb on this one. But he's

769
00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:14,920
Speaker 6: the one that I'm just crazy about. And the second

770
00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:18,759
Speaker 6: one probably be the linebacker I Oklahoma, Danny Stutsman. I

771
00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:20,640
Speaker 6: just think he's head to a player. I look at him,

772
00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:23,960
Speaker 6: and I see Leo Chanel coming out of Wisconsin just

773
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:26,600
Speaker 6: about twenty pounds later than Shanell. You match up all

774
00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:30,280
Speaker 6: their combine stuff, you'll be in shocked. They're almost twins

775
00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:32,840
Speaker 6: and everything in the combine except for twenty pounds.

776
00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:37,520
Speaker 3: Buddy, I'll get you out of here on this one. Congratulations.

777
00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:40,480
Speaker 3: In order you have added to your duties, you will be.

778
00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:42,120
Speaker 3: You're gonna be in Big ten country.

779
00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:42,440
Speaker 2: Buddy.

780
00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:44,640
Speaker 3: When is the last time, for example, you were in

781
00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:45,400
Speaker 3: the Horseshoe.

782
00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:51,240
Speaker 6: Probably when I was doing Big ten Network, so whatever,

783
00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:54,680
Speaker 6: your Big ten Network opened, and probably als seven years

784
00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:57,720
Speaker 6: after that, So probably around twenty ten to twenty eleven

785
00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:01,040
Speaker 6: somewhere in that neighborhood was probably last time I was there.

786
00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:05,279
Speaker 6: More than likely, I'm guessing somewhere in that neighborhood. But

787
00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:07,560
Speaker 6: you know, you do know I don't start it this fall,

788
00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:09,120
Speaker 6: so I start next year.

789
00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:09,799
Speaker 2: The next year.

790
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:12,560
Speaker 6: Okay, Yeah, I started next year. And this is Gary

791
00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:15,200
Speaker 6: Danielson is this is his retirement year and he gets

792
00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:18,920
Speaker 6: to go out and get the kudos that he more

793
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:21,719
Speaker 6: than deserves. I'm really thrilled for him, and all I'm

794
00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:23,160
Speaker 6: trying to do is stay out of his way and

795
00:37:23,239 --> 00:37:25,560
Speaker 6: let him soak it all in and take it in

796
00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:27,720
Speaker 6: and get the praise he deserves from all these years.

797
00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:30,560
Speaker 6: It's just so strange because this is what the second year.

798
00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:32,640
Speaker 6: I think CBS is the Big ten network. I mean,

799
00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:35,560
Speaker 6: with Big ten package. All his years were in the SEC,

800
00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:38,960
Speaker 6: so the lap really should have been around the SEC country, right.

801
00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:41,239
Speaker 6: But I hope, but I hope the Big ten fans

802
00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:44,600
Speaker 6: will recognize the thirty plus years of excellent Gary has

803
00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:47,640
Speaker 6: brought and give him his give him his due because

804
00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:50,400
Speaker 6: he's just been phenomenal. So I'm going to stay out here. Listen,

805
00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:52,160
Speaker 6: this is Gary's year, not mine.

806
00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:52,399
Speaker 2: Yep.

807
00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:54,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, Well I'll tell you what when when you return

808
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:57,440
Speaker 3: to Columbus, we got your back there, buddy, when it

809
00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:00,239
Speaker 3: when it comes, we got you on that side thing.

810
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:01,400
Speaker 2: So I appreciate it's.

811
00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:03,879
Speaker 6: Always great to come to Big ten Country. I had

812
00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:07,120
Speaker 6: a blast doing Big ten Network. I really did with

813
00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:11,240
Speaker 6: Tom Brenneman and CHRISA. Thompson was our first sideline reporter

814
00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:14,520
Speaker 6: and then you know, I was with God, I was

815
00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:16,880
Speaker 6: with a number of different people there, but we really

816
00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:20,319
Speaker 6: just had a ball, I mean absolute ball, so you know, yeah,

817
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:22,279
Speaker 6: it'd be fun. I'm looking I'm looking forward to that

818
00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:24,319
Speaker 6: in two years. I'll see you in twenty twenty six

819
00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:27,960
Speaker 6: where they say got god willing in the creek, don't

820
00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:29,560
Speaker 6: rise and so they say down south.

821
00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:33,760
Speaker 2: All right, buddy, good talking to you was always appreciate.

822
00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:36,440
Speaker 6: Great talking to you, guys. Enjoyed draft time. Take care

823
00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:37,919
Speaker 6: of yourselves. Hopefully see you soon.

824
00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:38,560
Speaker 2: You too.

825
00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:41,760
Speaker 3: There he is the great Charles Davis, NFL Draft analyst,

826
00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:45,320
Speaker 3: NFL on CBS in twenty twenty six. Uh, college football

827
00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:48,320
Speaker 3: analysts at CBS. You know, I'd forgotten he went to Tennessee.

828
00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:50,400
Speaker 3: I can't believe I forgot to ask him.

829
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:50,759
Speaker 2: I would have.

830
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:53,680
Speaker 3: We should have got to ask about Nico Mallaeva and

831
00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:56,400
Speaker 3: what he pulled over the weekend, because that's that's classic.

832
00:38:57,080 --> 00:38:58,000
Speaker 2: That's a month.

833
00:38:58,200 --> 00:38:59,400
Speaker 3: By the way, do you see in this run, You

834
00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:02,799
Speaker 3: see where he's down to now like everyone's like, yeah,

835
00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:06,319
Speaker 3: we're good, and now it's like too lane in UCLA and.

836
00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:07,520
Speaker 2: Be careful for money.

837
00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:11,080
Speaker 4: Be careful, yeah, be careful what you asked for. I'm like, what,

838
00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:13,600
Speaker 4: that's the part I don't get the audacity of it all.

839
00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:15,120
Speaker 4: But if you got people in your ear telling you

840
00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:18,000
Speaker 4: a bunch of stuff and giving you false narratives, then

841
00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:19,680
Speaker 4: you're prone to listen to them.

842
00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:20,600
Speaker 2: Bad things can happen.

843
00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:23,360
Speaker 4: And that's just really what we're observing take place in

844
00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:24,480
Speaker 4: Il is fascinating.

845
00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:28,400
Speaker 3: Fascinating, it is he So he was a get the

846
00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:29,800
Speaker 3: bag guy the whole way.

847
00:39:29,719 --> 00:39:31,040
Speaker 2: Yes, he was that in high school.

848
00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:34,799
Speaker 3: And everybody in the in the recruitment of him knew

849
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:36,680
Speaker 3: that they just want whatever the highest number was, that's

850
00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:39,440
Speaker 3: what they wanted, and so they got it from Tennessee

851
00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:41,880
Speaker 3: and and so that's kind of what he's been. And

852
00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:43,640
Speaker 3: then there was a reporting yesterday that he was trying

853
00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:45,800
Speaker 3: to hold their feet to the fire before they played

854
00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:48,279
Speaker 3: the playoff game against Ohio State, if you don't give

855
00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:51,120
Speaker 3: me some more money, I'm not gonna play. Inevitably, he

856
00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:53,160
Speaker 3: did play. He was tough as nails. Give him credit,

857
00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:56,719
Speaker 3: he was tough as nails in that game. But it

858
00:39:56,800 --> 00:39:59,920
Speaker 3: reminded me a little bit last year in the portal

859
00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:02,160
Speaker 3: with cam Ward. I was like, why are the buck

860
00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:04,280
Speaker 3: guys not in on cam Ward? Like they need a quarterback.

861
00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:07,359
Speaker 3: He had all of the weapons you think Ryan Dan

862
00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:09,480
Speaker 3: at the time. Bill O'Brien would have wanted it. Quarterback,

863
00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:12,200
Speaker 3: big arm elite athlete, all those things. Why are they not?

864
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:14,200
Speaker 2: Well? Come to find out, cam.

865
00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:16,279
Speaker 3: Ward was I'm going where the biggest bag is guy,

866
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:18,600
Speaker 3: and Ohio State didn't want to get in a bid

867
00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:21,440
Speaker 3: anymore over a quarterback, and so they let him go

868
00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:23,000
Speaker 3: and end up with Will Howard. And obviously it worked

869
00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:26,000
Speaker 3: out very very well. But that's the thing that's happening

870
00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:28,279
Speaker 3: in NIL now is you have to make the decision like,

871
00:40:29,040 --> 00:40:30,879
Speaker 3: how do we thread the needle on a guy who, Yeah,

872
00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:33,360
Speaker 3: it's fair to commensate them, this is the market, fine,

873
00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:35,960
Speaker 3: but also not a guy who's only there to get

874
00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:39,200
Speaker 3: every dollar possible. That's the balance. And a place like

875
00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:41,879
Speaker 3: Ohio State, you can be choosy at Tennessee at that time,

876
00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:44,799
Speaker 3: you really couldn't be Michigan with DJ Underwood. This year,

877
00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:47,480
Speaker 3: they really couldn't be. They needed a big time recruit

878
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:49,560
Speaker 3: in that class and the kid was down the road,

879
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:53,239
Speaker 3: so they gave him twelve million bucks. But who's to

880
00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:54,920
Speaker 3: say if he really wants to be at Michigan. I mean,

881
00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:57,000
Speaker 3: he was an LSU guy all the way, and he

882
00:40:57,040 --> 00:40:59,120
Speaker 3: was right down the road all the way. But the

883
00:40:59,160 --> 00:40:59,920
Speaker 3: money's the money.

884
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:02,279
Speaker 4: Yeah, the money factor is in obviously, but the thing

885
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:06,600
Speaker 4: is the dynamics of the team, and we get it

886
00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:08,960
Speaker 4: your mercenary, take it for what it's worth. But it's

887
00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:11,759
Speaker 4: hard to put a CE on that guy's chest and

888
00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:13,960
Speaker 4: ask that guy to lead your team if it's all

889
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:16,960
Speaker 4: about the money. And that's the part where the emotional

890
00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:20,759
Speaker 4: part of football does not change. You want guys in

891
00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:23,280
Speaker 4: it beyond just the money. You saw how his teammates

892
00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:26,000
Speaker 4: responded and they mocked them on social media as well

893
00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:29,120
Speaker 4: for his requests. So it's some interest in navigating a

894
00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:31,480
Speaker 4: college coach has to do. Because I gotta tell you, bo,

895
00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:34,640
Speaker 4: I think the college coach now has it way more.

896
00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:37,200
Speaker 4: It was already harder than the NFL, but it just

897
00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:41,239
Speaker 4: multiply it. Matter of fact, it's maybe exponential now. How

898
00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:43,920
Speaker 4: much more challenging their job is now as you factor

899
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:44,799
Speaker 4: the money into it.

900
00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:47,759
Speaker 3: They have no contracts. Players have no contracts, so they

901
00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:50,400
Speaker 3: have full time free agency. They can leave whenever they want.

902
00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:51,520
Speaker 2: They don't.

903
00:41:51,560 --> 00:41:54,120
Speaker 3: They're not beholden to anything. Once you pay them the money,

904
00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:56,880
Speaker 3: you can't get it back. They can leave whenever they want. There,

905
00:41:57,080 --> 00:41:59,399
Speaker 3: how do you coach a kid? How do you coach

906
00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:02,200
Speaker 3: a kid you give four million bucks and can hold

907
00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:04,319
Speaker 3: you hold your feet to the fire at any point

908
00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:04,960
Speaker 3: he wants.

909
00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:06,720
Speaker 4: Right, And they're re recruitment after the end of the season,

910
00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:09,120
Speaker 4: hoping that he doesn't go anywhere, and re recruit.

911
00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:12,120
Speaker 3: Him in both portals in December and tomorrow there's another

912
00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:12,959
Speaker 3: portal opening tomorrow.

913
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:15,000
Speaker 2: You gotta re recruit your whole team tomorrow.

914
00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:18,520
Speaker 4: And now you got legislation, for example Illinois taking place

915
00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:21,880
Speaker 4: where they're saying, hey, we'll give you a tax break

916
00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:24,399
Speaker 4: on your nil money if you come play horse stay

917
00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:26,680
Speaker 4: to Illinois. It's blowing up and magnifying.

918
00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:30,279
Speaker 3: It is fascinating, it's crazy, and there's so much money

919
00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:32,040
Speaker 3: in it. The only way it's gonna get course correct

920
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:35,040
Speaker 3: is if the people who fund collectives say no. And

921
00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:37,640
Speaker 3: that's basically what happened to Tennessee. They said we're done.

922
00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:40,319
Speaker 3: We're done with this dude, We're done, and that will

923
00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:41,000
Speaker 3: be the only thing.

924
00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:43,320
Speaker 4: They bows it. If he hadn't won a national championship,

925
00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:44,120
Speaker 4: they wouldn't have said that.

926
00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:48,319
Speaker 3: Oh no, no, no, I've been saying that. The whole

927
00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:51,080
Speaker 3: thing with the Nico thing, his mistake was he wasn't

928
00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:54,919
Speaker 3: good enough right, that's it. If he was a top

929
00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:57,720
Speaker 3: three quarterback in the SEC, then they would have happily

930
00:42:57,760 --> 00:42:58,160
Speaker 3: paid it.

931
00:42:58,800 --> 00:42:59,279
Speaker 2: But he's not.

932
00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:02,680
Speaker 3: They said, good riddance. Yeah for sure. No, And to

933
00:43:02,719 --> 00:43:06,080
Speaker 3: answer to betters's your point on the the college coaches.

934
00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:09,759
Speaker 3: Ryan Day told me last summer that in terms of

935
00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:15,399
Speaker 3: true days off, he had five in a year true

936
00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:15,879
Speaker 3: days off.

937
00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:17,560
Speaker 2: He had five days off when.

938
00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:20,080
Speaker 3: I first started covering college football twenty five years ago.

939
00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:25,120
Speaker 3: After the spring game, the head coach was done until

940
00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:27,759
Speaker 3: for all intents and purposes, the head coach was done

941
00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:31,879
Speaker 3: until camp. Right, they were off all summer. Players were

942
00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:33,560
Speaker 3: handled by the strength. But a lot of them went

943
00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:35,800
Speaker 3: home and worked right. They didn't stay on campus.

944
00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:38,799
Speaker 2: They went home. Right. We're coach had now he ain't

945
00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:41,359
Speaker 2: in office to day. I heard that he's not here.

946
00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:43,120
Speaker 2: You're like, dang, he never here.

947
00:43:43,719 --> 00:43:46,560
Speaker 5: No, they're gone all right.

948
00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:47,120
Speaker 6: Uh.

949
00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:50,600
Speaker 3: Mel Kiper's on RBS yesterday had some comments about some

950
00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:52,879
Speaker 3: of the players the brown should consider. We will get

951
00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:55,080
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961
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Speaker 3: Junior on RBS yesterday, all sorts of good stuff with

962
00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:35,280
Speaker 3: the fellows. Let's start with mel on what the Browns

963
00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:36,920
Speaker 3: would beginning in Travis Hunter.

964
00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:38,520
Speaker 7: Well, they're getting two for the price of one. Who

965
00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:40,759
Speaker 7: I love the shit. He's the highest graded player I've

966
00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:43,480
Speaker 7: had some set elway and just because he's he's not

967
00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:46,719
Speaker 7: just unique to playing tea. Nobody's ever done this. Nobody's

968
00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:50,200
Speaker 7: tried to play both ways in the NFL. One, you know,

969
00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:52,319
Speaker 7: in terms of being a full time guy, I mean,

970
00:44:52,520 --> 00:44:54,520
Speaker 7: you know, it's gonna be a corner in this league

971
00:44:54,520 --> 00:44:56,879
Speaker 7: and being a receiver in this league and being able

972
00:44:56,880 --> 00:44:58,359
Speaker 7: to go out and do it at a high level

973
00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:00,320
Speaker 7: is going to be unbelievable to see, going to be

974
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:02,520
Speaker 7: entertaining to see and fascinating to see. If it can

975
00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:05,000
Speaker 7: actually happen. I wouldn't bet against Travis. He said again

976
00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:07,600
Speaker 7: this weekend. I'm playing both ways, so I'm not you

977
00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:09,520
Speaker 7: And Dion said it. How can you have him at

978
00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:11,800
Speaker 7: wide receiver, catch and passes in the final couple of

979
00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:13,479
Speaker 7: minutes of the half or final a couple of minutes

980
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:15,520
Speaker 7: of the game. Have the team driving down the field,

981
00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:18,120
Speaker 7: your cornerbacks are getting beaten, there's Travis standing on the sidelines.

982
00:45:18,160 --> 00:45:18,799
Speaker 7: You can't have that.

983
00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:23,480
Speaker 3: I hadn't heard that that he was the highest graded

984
00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:25,840
Speaker 3: prospect he's had since John Elway.

985
00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:30,279
Speaker 2: I mean, Mel's been around a long time, buddy. That's

986
00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:32,879
Speaker 2: an attention getter. Yeah, yes, it is, because that's forty years.

987
00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:37,160
Speaker 3: I mean, jeez, there's been some sure things in the

988
00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:40,000
Speaker 3: draft between John Elway and Travis Hunter.

989
00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:45,760
Speaker 2: I mean that's I hadn't heard that. That's that's happy

990
00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:47,680
Speaker 2: to me. Yeah.

991
00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:52,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I can see where he makes the assessment,

992
00:45:52,760 --> 00:45:55,279
Speaker 4: because you'd literally have a guy who can be an

993
00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:57,880
Speaker 4: impact player on both sides of the football. If he

994
00:45:57,960 --> 00:46:00,440
Speaker 4: decides he wants to play receiver, he can do that.

995
00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:04,920
Speaker 4: Decides he played defensive back, cornerback, slot, nickel, whatever, he

996
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:07,080
Speaker 4: can be. That the question becomes and we talked about

997
00:46:07,080 --> 00:46:10,440
Speaker 4: it earlier. What Charles is can he do both on

998
00:46:10,480 --> 00:46:14,279
Speaker 4: the NFL level at a high level and not just

999
00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:17,640
Speaker 4: solely concentrate on one. That's where the cush question comes in,

1000
00:46:17,960 --> 00:46:20,799
Speaker 4: and Charles is writing his other assessment that it's one

1001
00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:22,919
Speaker 4: thing to do it against college guys, because here's the thing.

1002
00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:25,799
Speaker 4: When you generally walk on the field, throw me back

1003
00:46:25,840 --> 00:46:29,720
Speaker 4: in college. I can play in every university right because

1004
00:46:29,719 --> 00:46:32,319
Speaker 4: I was a pro level player. You have guys on

1005
00:46:32,360 --> 00:46:34,160
Speaker 4: a scout team that will give you your lunch on

1006
00:46:34,200 --> 00:46:37,239
Speaker 4: a pro level, be it on offense or defense. And

1007
00:46:37,239 --> 00:46:40,440
Speaker 4: that's the part where I think Travis needs to get

1008
00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:43,640
Speaker 4: one acclimatee to the game and figure out the speed

1009
00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:45,320
Speaker 4: of the game. And once he hits the ground running,

1010
00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:48,480
Speaker 4: then you start making those assessments and start to figure out, Okay,

1011
00:46:48,719 --> 00:46:50,040
Speaker 4: here's how I'm going to make that move. But I

1012
00:46:50,080 --> 00:46:52,719
Speaker 4: don't doubt him either, bo How can I? Because the

1013
00:46:52,760 --> 00:46:55,120
Speaker 4: guy is a premier talent. And I'm convinced that there's

1014
00:46:55,160 --> 00:46:57,680
Speaker 4: something in the water in South Florida to where they

1015
00:46:57,680 --> 00:46:59,759
Speaker 4: produce the best athletes in the world when it comes

1016
00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:00,600
Speaker 4: to football.

1017
00:47:02,280 --> 00:47:04,400
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, I think there is. I think there is

1018
00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:07,440
Speaker 3: something in the water down there. What would you do

1019
00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:10,879
Speaker 3: because he's gonna have to emphasize one. So if he's

1020
00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:14,120
Speaker 3: the pick at two and I think he can play both,

1021
00:47:14,160 --> 00:47:15,680
Speaker 3: I do. I think he will play both. I think

1022
00:47:15,719 --> 00:47:16,759
Speaker 3: he'll play both sides of the ball.

1023
00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:17,320
Speaker 2: I'm sure.

1024
00:47:17,600 --> 00:47:19,759
Speaker 3: But I think at the very least, you're gonna have

1025
00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:23,960
Speaker 3: to have a plan of emphasis. Forget what the Browns need. Obviously,

1026
00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:26,920
Speaker 3: we need receivers more than we need corners exactly, So

1027
00:47:27,120 --> 00:47:29,080
Speaker 3: for us, if that's my hunches, that's the way it

1028
00:47:29,080 --> 00:47:30,680
Speaker 3: would go. And Andrew Berry said as much. But if

1029
00:47:30,680 --> 00:47:33,359
Speaker 3: it were you and you were looking at him, what

1030
00:47:33,360 --> 00:47:35,000
Speaker 3: would you emphasize first with him?

1031
00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:36,720
Speaker 2: To get impact receiver?

1032
00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:43,719
Speaker 4: Because one scoring points is at a premium, and I

1033
00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:47,080
Speaker 4: realize that's an easier endeavor than playing defensive back this

1034
00:47:47,560 --> 00:47:51,520
Speaker 4: level of heck, the rules are tilted highly in your

1035
00:47:51,560 --> 00:47:53,880
Speaker 4: favor for you to have success as a receiver. We

1036
00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:56,840
Speaker 4: forget about that component. Can he play DV at a

1037
00:47:56,920 --> 00:47:59,879
Speaker 4: high level, Yes, he certainly can. But the thing is,

1038
00:48:00,719 --> 00:48:05,440
Speaker 4: as Rodney Barbara obviously said, not Tiki. But Rodney told Charles,

1039
00:48:05,680 --> 00:48:10,960
Speaker 4: it's true, technique matters if you make one misstep far

1040
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:14,120
Speaker 4: as a guy fakesing the inside bow, and you honor

1041
00:48:14,160 --> 00:48:17,239
Speaker 4: that inside step and your techniques off, and all of

1042
00:48:17,239 --> 00:48:19,879
Speaker 4: a sudden you switching things your beat and it only

1043
00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:22,560
Speaker 4: takes millimeters right in the league to beat you. It

1044
00:48:22,600 --> 00:48:25,000
Speaker 4: doesn't have to be a yard or are you a

1045
00:48:25,040 --> 00:48:29,799
Speaker 4: foot It takes just a little microseconds to get beat.

1046
00:48:30,040 --> 00:48:32,440
Speaker 4: So if you're out of position because you're not practicing enough,

1047
00:48:32,560 --> 00:48:35,279
Speaker 4: you're gonna get beat. And only athletic talent can only

1048
00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:41,080
Speaker 4: take you so far. Now, Grant, Dion Randy are two

1049
00:48:41,120 --> 00:48:43,719
Speaker 4: guys who I played against who I felt was just

1050
00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:46,160
Speaker 4: more athletically superior than everyone else. And if you went

1051
00:48:46,200 --> 00:48:48,279
Speaker 4: further back in time, you probably say that about Bo

1052
00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:52,319
Speaker 4: Jackson to where they were just more gifted. Now, I'm

1053
00:48:52,360 --> 00:48:54,400
Speaker 4: not sure because I don't know what Travis runs. I

1054
00:48:54,440 --> 00:48:56,480
Speaker 4: don't know what his jumping ability is and all that.

1055
00:48:56,560 --> 00:48:58,480
Speaker 4: If he's to that place to where you feel like

1056
00:48:58,520 --> 00:49:00,400
Speaker 4: the dude can just put on some tennis shoes and

1057
00:49:00,440 --> 00:49:02,640
Speaker 4: well cleats and just go out there and dominate, that,

1058
00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:03,480
Speaker 4: I'm not sure of.

1059
00:49:05,520 --> 00:49:08,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's we've never seen anybody do what he did,

1060
00:49:09,160 --> 00:49:13,759
Speaker 3: So it's because he wasn't. This wasn't Devin Hester, you know,

1061
00:49:13,840 --> 00:49:16,200
Speaker 3: this wasn't Champ Bailey like he was a full time

1062
00:49:16,200 --> 00:49:19,399
Speaker 3: He's a hundred receptions right at Colorado and he played

1063
00:49:19,440 --> 00:49:22,640
Speaker 3: all the time at corner, so like he he did

1064
00:49:22,640 --> 00:49:26,840
Speaker 3: it all the time both ways, which is wild. Let's

1065
00:49:26,840 --> 00:49:30,000
Speaker 3: move to his teammate Shadour Sanders mel one of the

1066
00:49:30,040 --> 00:49:32,920
Speaker 3: few who believes that Shador is still the best quarterback

1067
00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:35,000
Speaker 3: in this draft. Here he is on that.

1068
00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:37,319
Speaker 7: I get it. I mean, you can't change who you

1069
00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:39,799
Speaker 7: are physically. I mean, Shador six one and a half.

1070
00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:41,239
Speaker 7: He's two twelve. They can have a little weight to

1071
00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:43,000
Speaker 7: that frame, but he's six one and a half. He's

1072
00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:45,560
Speaker 7: not you know, six four six three. He doesn't have

1073
00:49:45,640 --> 00:49:48,279
Speaker 7: four six forty times he doesn't have you know, you

1074
00:49:48,280 --> 00:49:50,880
Speaker 7: know that wow arm strength, that explosive arm strengths. You

1075
00:49:50,920 --> 00:49:52,879
Speaker 7: can't you know, his arms will get stronger. So that's

1076
00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:55,040
Speaker 7: been proven. He said the same thing about Breeze. He

1077
00:49:55,080 --> 00:49:56,680
Speaker 7: wasn't very big and he didn't have a strong arm,

1078
00:49:56,680 --> 00:49:58,319
Speaker 7: and he wasn't going to run a four to six

1079
00:49:58,320 --> 00:49:59,680
Speaker 7: And kind of think of Shador goes to the New

1080
00:49:59,760 --> 00:50:02,640
Speaker 7: Orleans could be a good fit for him. So I

1081
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Speaker 7: just say I understand why people feel Ward is the

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Speaker 7: number one quarterback if you want the third rocket arm,

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Speaker 7: if you want the more creativity and different arm angles

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Speaker 7: and all that wow factor coming out of college. Now,

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Speaker 7: not in the NFL, but coming out of college, cam

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Speaker 7: Ward would have that. Chador, though, is a traditional old

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Speaker 7: school drop back pocket passer. If you give him a

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Speaker 7: little help, he can be like a surgeon and pick

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Speaker 7: a defensive part.

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Speaker 3: Let's hear from mel again. This is on a potential

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Speaker 3: Chador Sanders slide.

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Speaker 7: This whole notion that if Chador slides, he's a terrible quarterback,

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Speaker 7: and people bring up different ones. I'm numb at guys

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Speaker 7: that were mocked in a certain place and grated in

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Speaker 7: a certain place, And I went back to nineteen seventy

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Speaker 7: of the eight quarterbacks of slid, six have turned out

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Speaker 7: to be really good. The two that weren't were Brady

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Speaker 7: Quinn and Jimmy Claus And from my grades in my MOX,

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Speaker 7: not with other people adages, I went just back to

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Speaker 7: my that dropped from significantly from where they were projected

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Speaker 7: to go, and a lot of those guys did really,

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Speaker 7: really well. So if Shador does drop, he gets to Pittsburgh,

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Speaker 7: and then we got ourselves a quarterback. We're talking about

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Speaker 7: and then obviously here in Baltimore the Ravens and you

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Speaker 7: being in Cleveland. I don't think we want to see

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Speaker 7: Shudor in Pittsburgh.

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Speaker 2: Here is here is mel On.

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Speaker 3: If teams could try and trade up for Shador if

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Speaker 3: he falls, it's going.

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Speaker 7: To be interesting. If the other teams with the Giants do,

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Speaker 7: they're gonna probably take Abdul Carter. They're gonna be in

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Speaker 7: a similar position as the Browns, where now they don't

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Speaker 7: have a two, so you know they do have a two.

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Speaker 7: Pittsburghs the one doesn't have a two. Pittsburgh has no two.

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Speaker 7: So if he drops, Pittsburgh will be stuck. Probably at

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Speaker 7: twenty one. The Giants could move Pittsburgh without that two

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Speaker 7: that went for DK Metcalf. They're a little hamstrung there

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Speaker 7: because if they see an opportunities, say okay, Shaudor gets

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Speaker 7: past New Orleans, say and they want to go up

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Speaker 7: five six spots, can they really do it? Where the

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Speaker 7: Giants maybe could make a move, knowing that Pittsburgh's the

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Speaker 7: target team in Pittsburgh's history suggests maybe they'll just wait

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Speaker 7: it out. They waited out for Big Ben at eleven

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Speaker 7: and they didn't move up two, three, four spots and

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Speaker 7: it worked out well for them. Now if they stay

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Speaker 7: at twenty one, will somebody else try to make that

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Speaker 7: move up? And the Giants were, you know, a team

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Speaker 7: like Clevel. When I think to Giants with day Ball,

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Speaker 7: does he want a more mobile quarterback? Does here one

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Speaker 7: more one mill Road type. It's really going to be

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Speaker 7: interesting to see what these teams do.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it really is.

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Speaker 3: And we'll see how this all shakes out. Last one

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Speaker 3: for mel This was mel Kiper on this draft having

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Speaker 3: polarizing players from the fellas.

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Speaker 7: This draft is loaded with guys who some like and

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00:52:24,480 --> 00:52:27,239
Speaker 7: some flat out think are very questionable. So I think

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Speaker 7: it's probably a draft with the more the most polarizing

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Speaker 7: players we've had in a while.

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Speaker 3: All Right, this brings us to where we're going to

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Speaker 3: go next, which is Gerard. You've been breaking down film

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Speaker 3: on these quarterbacks. It's available on the ESPN Cleveland YouTube channel.

1143
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Speaker 3: We're going to talk about them, talking about Cam, talk

1144
00:52:42,800 --> 00:52:45,200
Speaker 3: about Sure or talking about Jayleen Milroe, talk about Jackson Dart,

1145
00:52:45,200 --> 00:52:49,000
Speaker 3: Will Howard. What did Gerard see on tape that leads

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Speaker 3: to how they could project to the next level. We

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Speaker 2: So I'm seeing these. I love these.

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Speaker 3: You're breaking down ESP and Cleveland's YouTube channel. You take

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Speaker 3: a look at the quarterbacks, you watch the film. How

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Speaker 3: much did you watch of these guys of the We're

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Speaker 3: going to talk about five of them here, but how

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00:53:43,600 --> 00:53:45,960
Speaker 3: much tape did you watch? What were you looking for

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Speaker 3: in terms of a minimum sample size to form a judgment.

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Speaker 4: A game or two couple with at least sixty forty

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Speaker 4: to sixty minutes of like highlights and looking at that

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Speaker 4: one and so from that, I think it gives you

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Speaker 4: a fair enough assessment of what they are about. And

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Speaker 4: with those games, you look at the beginning of the

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00:54:07,400 --> 00:54:09,480
Speaker 4: year and at the middle part of the year and

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Speaker 4: make an assessment from there. A couple with the highlights,

1171
00:54:11,800 --> 00:54:13,200
Speaker 4: and it's nothing like seen to say, oh man, I

1172
00:54:13,200 --> 00:54:15,239
Speaker 4: remember that play. It is seen in the course of

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00:54:15,280 --> 00:54:17,520
Speaker 4: the game and how it works itself out. So that's

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Speaker 4: what I did from a research standpoint to form my

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Speaker 4: assessment of the guys.

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Speaker 3: When you picked the specific games, did you try to

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Speaker 3: find games where talent equated because in college football that's

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00:54:28,560 --> 00:54:31,279
Speaker 3: always tough. That's a big thing with Buckeye quarterbacks. Up

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00:54:31,360 --> 00:54:33,120
Speaker 3: until the twelve team playoffs, there's like one or two

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00:54:33,160 --> 00:54:34,640
Speaker 3: games a year where talent equates.

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Speaker 2: Actually, bo that factors in.

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Speaker 4: But really what I looked at I wanted to see

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00:54:39,960 --> 00:54:42,560
Speaker 4: what they were doing in situations of struggle, what were

1184
00:54:42,560 --> 00:54:45,920
Speaker 4: the numbers like, and how they played under pressure and duress,

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Speaker 4: because that's where I'm a firm believer, and you find

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00:54:48,520 --> 00:54:51,520
Speaker 4: out about a person when they granted success matters too,

1187
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Speaker 4: because paneling success is just as important as handling struggle.

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Speaker 4: But I really wanted to see how are these guys

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Speaker 4: like when things weren't going their way?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's it. I mean, how do you handle adversity?

1191
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Speaker 3: I always do this when I vote for the Heisman,

1192
00:55:04,040 --> 00:55:07,640
Speaker 3: I find the five games. I feel like everybody in

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00:55:07,680 --> 00:55:11,920
Speaker 3: college football plays five games where talent either equates, or

1194
00:55:12,160 --> 00:55:15,200
Speaker 3: it's at a deficit, or it's close. Everybody's got five

1195
00:55:15,239 --> 00:55:18,240
Speaker 3: tough games. So what did you do in those five games?

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Speaker 3: So we're gonna get to a guy, he's number four

1197
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Speaker 3: on this list who struggled in big games, Bigley Jackson.

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Speaker 3: Dart was not great in big games. At Ole Miss.

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Speaker 3: He'd light up the scoreboard against Arkansas and do those

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Speaker 3: type of things, but against Florida when he needed to throw,

1201
00:55:31,520 --> 00:55:32,600
Speaker 3: he didn't have it. He had one of the most

1202
00:55:32,640 --> 00:55:35,320
Speaker 3: stupefying interceptions of all time with everything on the line

1203
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Speaker 3: in the UF game. But let's start with cam Ward

1204
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Speaker 3: at the top. I think most people, with the exception

1205
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Speaker 3: of mel who had just heard from on RBS, view

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Speaker 3: cam as the number one quarterback in this draft. When

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Speaker 3: you watch cam Ward, what did you see?

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Speaker 4: I saw a guy whose arm, talent, and his calmness

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00:55:53,160 --> 00:55:56,040
Speaker 4: and his demeanor was the same throughout the course of

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00:55:56,480 --> 00:55:58,759
Speaker 4: the year. And what really impressed me and I had

1211
00:55:58,920 --> 00:56:01,440
Speaker 4: in this game took place is Mama Markal is that

1212
00:56:01,520 --> 00:56:04,520
Speaker 4: they were down in a major way. Bow, and the

1213
00:56:04,600 --> 00:56:07,040
Speaker 4: way in which he orchestrated that comeback, and the way

1214
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Speaker 4: in which his demeanor did not fluctuate, and he just

1215
00:56:09,680 --> 00:56:12,880
Speaker 4: stayed true in presence and calmness and was not eratic

1216
00:56:13,080 --> 00:56:15,920
Speaker 4: though so much was riding on their wind streak and

1217
00:56:15,960 --> 00:56:17,880
Speaker 4: everything else along with that. And to come back the

1218
00:56:17,960 --> 00:56:20,319
Speaker 4: way they did that was so impressive to me. But

1219
00:56:20,360 --> 00:56:22,720
Speaker 4: when you just washed the ball out of his hands,

1220
00:56:23,200 --> 00:56:26,600
Speaker 4: it just explodes, and you just it's so present you

1221
00:56:26,640 --> 00:56:30,280
Speaker 4: walk away from it saying, I see the arm talent,

1222
00:56:30,560 --> 00:56:32,480
Speaker 4: I see the ability to do the uncanny with the

1223
00:56:32,480 --> 00:56:35,279
Speaker 4: football from throwing angle standpoint, I see the ability to

1224
00:56:35,280 --> 00:56:37,680
Speaker 4: throw guys open. I see the ability to put the

1225
00:56:37,719 --> 00:56:40,520
Speaker 4: ball in places with pinpoint accuracy. And there weren't that

1226
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Speaker 4: many negative things that you walked away from experience, saying

1227
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Speaker 4: to yourself about his quarterback.

1228
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Speaker 3: Play, concerns you would have if you drafted.

1229
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Speaker 4: Him, the concern I would have if I draft him.

1230
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Speaker 4: And again, I don't think you have to have Lamar

1231
00:56:56,680 --> 00:57:00,480
Speaker 4: Jackson wiggle or Josh Allen strength in order to play

1232
00:57:00,560 --> 00:57:03,600
Speaker 4: quarterback at a high level. But he's not the fastest guy,

1233
00:57:03,880 --> 00:57:07,600
Speaker 4: he's not the biggest guy. And one concern when and

1234
00:57:07,640 --> 00:57:11,040
Speaker 4: he shares this with Shadur. It's the processing part. He

1235
00:57:11,040 --> 00:57:13,880
Speaker 4: held on the ball a lot. Now he's not a tapper,

1236
00:57:14,120 --> 00:57:16,000
Speaker 4: he doesn't tap the ball anything like that, but he

1237
00:57:16,120 --> 00:57:18,840
Speaker 4: certainly holds onto the football a very long time to

1238
00:57:18,920 --> 00:57:21,240
Speaker 4: create plays and make things happen. And then you know,

1239
00:57:21,360 --> 00:57:23,880
Speaker 4: like I know, NFL, that's a strip sack, that's a

1240
00:57:23,920 --> 00:57:26,520
Speaker 4: herd quarterback. That's a bunch of negative things because you

1241
00:57:26,560 --> 00:57:29,160
Speaker 4: cannot get away with hold on the football. You literally

1242
00:57:29,160 --> 00:57:31,400
Speaker 4: have to win that Clark when that alarm goes off.

1243
00:57:31,600 --> 00:57:33,160
Speaker 4: You have to get rid of the football, and one

1244
00:57:33,160 --> 00:57:34,720
Speaker 4: of the things you cannot afford is to take a

1245
00:57:34,760 --> 00:57:37,680
Speaker 4: sack or have an errent pass due to the fact

1246
00:57:37,720 --> 00:57:39,080
Speaker 4: that you hold on the ball too long.

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Speaker 3: That's saying that's so hard about these guys, right, because

1248
00:57:42,560 --> 00:57:45,520
Speaker 3: they in their spots. You think about we're gonna get

1249
00:57:45,520 --> 00:57:47,640
Speaker 3: to Shduur in a second. You think about Cam at Miami,

1250
00:57:48,200 --> 00:57:51,640
Speaker 3: you think about Shador at Colorado, absolutely think about Kleb

1251
00:57:51,680 --> 00:57:57,280
Speaker 3: Williams at USC. They're trying to make a play. In

1252
00:57:57,600 --> 00:57:59,360
Speaker 3: the instance of a couple of those guys, they're kind

1253
00:57:59,360 --> 00:58:01,760
Speaker 3: of like a one man show. I mean, Colorado didn't

1254
00:58:01,760 --> 00:58:04,280
Speaker 3: even attempt to run the ball. They were at best

1255
00:58:04,320 --> 00:58:06,880
Speaker 3: disinterested in running the ball. They didn't even try. They

1256
00:58:06,920 --> 00:58:08,880
Speaker 3: had Dallan haydenhe they got from o highest state. He

1257
00:58:08,920 --> 00:58:11,440
Speaker 3: didn't do anything. They didn't even attempt it. It was all

1258
00:58:11,520 --> 00:58:14,080
Speaker 3: him making things happen, and bad habits come with that.

1259
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Speaker 3: So the question is it's coachability side of it?

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Speaker 2: All right?

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Speaker 3: Last one on cam is there a NFL doppelganger for him?

1262
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Speaker 2: For you? Gosh, who's this game? Remind me of the most?

1263
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Speaker 4: I would say, And this is gonna sound kind of

1264
00:58:36,360 --> 00:58:39,440
Speaker 4: crazy because he wasn't when I watched. I can'd of

1265
00:58:39,440 --> 00:58:42,640
Speaker 4: remind myself of Warn Moon to a degree, just coming

1266
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Speaker 4: the ball out of his hand.

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Speaker 2: Big arm. Okay, boom, big arm Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Down at the Pro Football Hall of Fame they have

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Speaker 3: there's a part of an exhibit where they have guy's

1270
00:58:53,840 --> 00:58:56,960
Speaker 3: hands and how their handprint fits around a football as

1271
00:58:57,000 --> 00:58:57,800
Speaker 3: a mold, like it's.

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Speaker 2: A bronze mold.

1273
00:58:58,960 --> 00:59:03,600
Speaker 3: Warren Moon's hand grips an NFL like duke football the

1274
00:59:03,640 --> 00:59:07,040
Speaker 3: way I would grip like a little kid ball, like

1275
00:59:07,080 --> 00:59:07,760
Speaker 3: engulfs it.

1276
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Speaker 2: He's got the biggest hand.

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Speaker 3: It's unbelievable, like when you put your put your hand

1278
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Speaker 3: in it, and I think i've averageised hands. His are

1279
00:59:15,520 --> 00:59:18,960
Speaker 3: several inches per digit longer. I mean, it's crazy how big.

1280
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Speaker 5: His hand is.

1281
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Speaker 3: When he said that, I'd thought about that in a while.

1282
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Speaker 3: But it's a really cool exhibit down there. Let's do

1283
00:59:22,840 --> 00:59:25,680
Speaker 3: Shitore Sanders obviously the most talked about. I don't know

1284
00:59:25,680 --> 00:59:26,960
Speaker 3: if you guys have mentioned him on this show or

1285
00:59:27,000 --> 00:59:28,320
Speaker 3: if you haven't talked about him all in the last

1286
00:59:28,320 --> 00:59:28,680
Speaker 3: three months.

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 3: We've talked about him a little here on the program.

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Speaker 3: What is What did you see on tape with Shure?

1290
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Speaker 4: I saw a guy who was accurate, But here's the problem.

1291
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Speaker 4: What I saw I saw a guy who got the

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00:59:42,120 --> 00:59:45,680
Speaker 4: ball to number twelve, that being Travis Hunter, and then

1293
00:59:46,760 --> 00:59:49,480
Speaker 4: being more impressed with by what number twelve did with

1294
00:59:49,560 --> 00:59:52,440
Speaker 4: the football in his hands than the actual throw hisself.

1295
00:59:52,480 --> 00:59:55,040
Speaker 4: And there were some nice throws intermixed throughout the course

1296
00:59:55,080 --> 00:59:56,720
Speaker 4: of the season. When the games you watched with him,

1297
00:59:56,720 --> 00:59:59,360
Speaker 4: there certainly were nice throws, and you did see some accuracy.

1298
00:59:59,360 --> 01:00:02,360
Speaker 4: And you also all sometimes we're like, dog, what type

1299
01:00:02,360 --> 01:00:03,960
Speaker 4: of decision were you making right there?

1300
01:00:04,160 --> 01:00:06,240
Speaker 2: Get rid of the football? Why'd you even bother going

1301
01:00:06,280 --> 01:00:06,800
Speaker 2: to that side.

1302
01:00:06,840 --> 01:00:09,400
Speaker 4: But the thing that really was pronounced to me, and

1303
01:00:09,440 --> 01:00:11,840
Speaker 4: I thought it was a detriment to him, was the

1304
01:00:11,880 --> 01:00:15,160
Speaker 4: ball padding was a was was a sign.

1305
01:00:15,400 --> 01:00:16,320
Speaker 2: As a defensive back.

1306
01:00:16,640 --> 01:00:19,080
Speaker 4: As soon as he passed the ball, he is throwing it,

1307
01:00:19,240 --> 01:00:21,240
Speaker 4: so right there, that's gonna help me with my jumping

1308
01:00:21,280 --> 01:00:24,360
Speaker 4: in anticipation and gonna give me an edge. It wasn't

1309
01:00:24,400 --> 01:00:27,400
Speaker 4: like he patted it like a Brady would and surveyed

1310
01:00:27,400 --> 01:00:29,440
Speaker 4: the rest of the football field for a second or

1311
01:00:29,440 --> 01:00:30,400
Speaker 4: two and then throw it.

1312
01:00:30,400 --> 01:00:31,400
Speaker 2: It was Pat throw.

1313
01:00:31,600 --> 01:00:34,760
Speaker 4: And that's the difference right there, Pat throw versus Pat

1314
01:00:34,960 --> 01:00:36,080
Speaker 4: survey then throw.

1315
01:00:37,280 --> 01:00:40,200
Speaker 3: What game did you watch for him? Do you remember?

1316
01:00:40,360 --> 01:00:47,280
Speaker 4: Let's see, I saw the Cincinnati game and gosh, what

1317
01:00:47,400 --> 01:00:49,880
Speaker 4: was the game we had the horrible interception?

1318
01:00:50,000 --> 01:00:50,920
Speaker 5: Was it Nebraska?

1319
01:00:51,040 --> 01:00:54,440
Speaker 2: Nebraska? Yes? Yeah, yeah, and I saw that game.

1320
01:00:55,440 --> 01:00:58,840
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, you know what. It jumped out to me,

1321
01:00:58,840 --> 01:01:02,080
Speaker 3: and I'm curious if you notice this. I mean, he

1322
01:01:02,120 --> 01:01:04,760
Speaker 3: got beat up. Their offensive line was bad, but that

1323
01:01:04,760 --> 01:01:09,440
Speaker 3: impressed I never I never saw him point fingers. I

1324
01:01:09,520 --> 01:01:13,000
Speaker 3: never saw him shake his head or scoff or anything like.

1325
01:01:13,320 --> 01:01:15,360
Speaker 3: He took a beating and he'd get right up and

1326
01:01:15,520 --> 01:01:16,600
Speaker 3: go to the sidelines.

1327
01:01:16,920 --> 01:01:17,520
Speaker 2: I never saw it.

1328
01:01:17,560 --> 01:01:19,280
Speaker 3: I watched a lot of games with them last year,

1329
01:01:19,440 --> 01:01:20,840
Speaker 3: and I watched a lot when I was doing the

1330
01:01:20,920 --> 01:01:24,120
Speaker 3: Heisman stuff. I never saw him go at that offensive line,

1331
01:01:24,120 --> 01:01:26,040
Speaker 3: and they were bad, right, Yeah.

1332
01:01:26,040 --> 01:01:29,520
Speaker 4: And that's the part where again elite skill is that

1333
01:01:29,560 --> 01:01:32,479
Speaker 4: he's tough. No one questions his toughness, and one would

1334
01:01:32,480 --> 01:01:35,040
Speaker 4: be like, oh, that's a flashy celebrity quarterback type. He

1335
01:01:35,120 --> 01:01:38,320
Speaker 4: must not be tough. No, that is not the case

1336
01:01:38,360 --> 01:01:39,840
Speaker 4: of him not being a tough guy.

1337
01:01:39,840 --> 01:01:40,480
Speaker 2: He certainly is that.

1338
01:01:40,560 --> 01:01:43,439
Speaker 4: But the other part too, which is it doesn't show

1339
01:01:43,520 --> 01:01:45,200
Speaker 4: up on the field. But I really think it's a

1340
01:01:45,200 --> 01:01:47,840
Speaker 4: big in tangible way we won't talk enough about, and

1341
01:01:47,880 --> 01:01:50,200
Speaker 4: it actually applies very much so to our situation here

1342
01:01:50,200 --> 01:01:50,760
Speaker 4: in Cleveland.

1343
01:01:51,600 --> 01:01:53,680
Speaker 2: The guy changes programs around.

1344
01:01:54,080 --> 01:01:57,320
Speaker 4: He was at two spots and they became winners with

1345
01:01:57,400 --> 01:02:00,800
Speaker 4: him being on the center. And a lot of times

1346
01:02:00,840 --> 01:02:04,120
Speaker 4: we're so infatuated with the idea of Okay, did he

1347
01:02:04,200 --> 01:02:04,520
Speaker 4: win here?

1348
01:02:04,600 --> 01:02:05,000
Speaker 2: Did he win?

1349
01:02:05,040 --> 01:02:05,200
Speaker 7: There?

1350
01:02:05,280 --> 01:02:07,360
Speaker 4: Was he always a winner? Like a Trevor Lawrence for example.

1351
01:02:07,560 --> 01:02:09,600
Speaker 4: All he did was win until he got to the pros, right,

1352
01:02:10,640 --> 01:02:12,440
Speaker 4: And I think a lot of times we need to

1353
01:02:12,440 --> 01:02:14,520
Speaker 4: put in an assessment, Okay, how does this guy deal

1354
01:02:14,600 --> 01:02:17,840
Speaker 4: again with adversity. How's he handled building a program up?

1355
01:02:17,960 --> 01:02:19,880
Speaker 4: Because obviously we're in the spot right now with our

1356
01:02:19,960 --> 01:02:22,800
Speaker 4: organization to where we're doing what we're trying to recapture

1357
01:02:22,800 --> 01:02:25,360
Speaker 4: and build something up. So a guy who has experienced

1358
01:02:25,400 --> 01:02:27,320
Speaker 4: with that makes a lot of sense.

1359
01:02:29,160 --> 01:02:30,520
Speaker 2: I've said this to people.

1360
01:02:30,920 --> 01:02:32,320
Speaker 3: I mean, I spent a lot of time talking about

1361
01:02:32,320 --> 01:02:36,640
Speaker 3: the college games ron when Dion took over Colorado, that

1362
01:02:36,760 --> 01:02:39,200
Speaker 3: was the worst Power five job in America. It was

1363
01:02:39,240 --> 01:02:42,480
Speaker 3: the least talented power fight team in college football. So

1364
01:02:42,520 --> 01:02:44,640
Speaker 3: if the fact that they won four games the first

1365
01:02:44,760 --> 01:02:48,200
Speaker 3: year was an achievement, the fact that they won ten

1366
01:02:48,560 --> 01:02:52,240
Speaker 3: in year two is a borderline miracle, right, Like that

1367
01:02:53,000 --> 01:02:56,400
Speaker 3: This ain't Eric p Enemy, Sean salam ain't walking through

1368
01:02:56,440 --> 01:02:58,960
Speaker 3: the door Darien Hagen ate the quarter right like Michael

1369
01:02:58,960 --> 01:03:02,720
Speaker 3: Westbrook players Right, No, they don't have that. Like they

1370
01:03:02,720 --> 01:03:07,080
Speaker 3: didn't have that. This was starting from scratch at the

1371
01:03:07,120 --> 01:03:10,320
Speaker 3: power five level, and that's tough to do. So I

1372
01:03:10,320 --> 01:03:12,760
Speaker 3: think various two point out of you in terms of

1373
01:03:12,800 --> 01:03:15,560
Speaker 3: like the kid's a winner, he's just wins. Like to

1374
01:03:15,600 --> 01:03:18,160
Speaker 3: do it at Jackson, then do it at Colorado, that's

1375
01:03:18,200 --> 01:03:22,280
Speaker 3: big time. Jaln Milroe. Now I would make the case.

1376
01:03:22,320 --> 01:03:23,800
Speaker 3: Now I could be dead wrong in this because he

1377
01:03:23,800 --> 01:03:25,160
Speaker 3: may end up going in the first round. He was

1378
01:03:25,160 --> 01:03:28,120
Speaker 3: invited to the draft. Why I could make the argument

1379
01:03:28,200 --> 01:03:32,760
Speaker 3: Jalen Milroe could have made more financially had he stayed

1380
01:03:32,760 --> 01:03:36,840
Speaker 3: one more year at Alabama, both from a collective, the

1381
01:03:36,880 --> 01:03:40,840
Speaker 3: Alabama collective and also a second year with Kaylin de

1382
01:03:40,880 --> 01:03:43,040
Speaker 3: Boorr in that offense who turned Michael Penicks from a

1383
01:03:43,040 --> 01:03:43,640
Speaker 3: guy no one.

1384
01:03:43,520 --> 01:03:44,880
Speaker 2: Was drafted to the eighth pick.

1385
01:03:44,880 --> 01:03:47,480
Speaker 3: Overall, I think Milroe could have been a top ten

1386
01:03:47,520 --> 01:03:49,480
Speaker 3: pick in next year's draft had he given another year

1387
01:03:49,480 --> 01:03:51,560
Speaker 3: at Alabama. What did you see on tape from him?

1388
01:03:52,600 --> 01:03:54,960
Speaker 4: I saw, and I hate to say this because I

1389
01:03:55,000 --> 01:03:58,360
Speaker 4: hate when this description is thrown out there and it

1390
01:03:58,440 --> 01:04:04,960
Speaker 4: has obviously socio sociological implications. I just saw an athlete,

1391
01:04:05,120 --> 01:04:07,640
Speaker 4: and you don't want to label that with the black quarterback.

1392
01:04:07,680 --> 01:04:10,480
Speaker 4: He's just an athlete. But that's unfortunately what I saw

1393
01:04:10,800 --> 01:04:14,920
Speaker 4: in that. I didn't see a guy who was accurate

1394
01:04:15,120 --> 01:04:17,040
Speaker 4: on a regular basis. I saw a guy that ran

1395
01:04:17,080 --> 01:04:19,080
Speaker 4: around and made things happen. I did see a big arm.

1396
01:04:19,360 --> 01:04:21,360
Speaker 4: I certainly saw that, and I saw the ability, but

1397
01:04:21,400 --> 01:04:24,680
Speaker 4: I did not see the fine nuances of quarterback play

1398
01:04:25,040 --> 01:04:26,720
Speaker 4: that I want to see to think that this guy's

1399
01:04:26,720 --> 01:04:28,760
Speaker 4: going to go right into the league and have success. Now,

1400
01:04:28,760 --> 01:04:32,240
Speaker 4: all those things, to his credit can be fixed. But

1401
01:04:32,360 --> 01:04:36,720
Speaker 4: I was also bold to be completely transparent also reviewing him.

1402
01:04:36,720 --> 01:04:39,840
Speaker 4: At the same time, the Senior Bowl was taking place,

1403
01:04:40,400 --> 01:04:43,960
Speaker 4: and I was watching those practices as well. And believe

1404
01:04:44,000 --> 01:04:46,080
Speaker 4: me when I tell you it was not impressive what

1405
01:04:46,120 --> 01:04:49,000
Speaker 4: he was doing. And it confirmed my if I had

1406
01:04:49,120 --> 01:04:50,760
Speaker 4: you want to call a bias, which I didn't have,

1407
01:04:50,840 --> 01:04:53,760
Speaker 4: but it confirmed my thoughts that he's not ready.

1408
01:04:53,800 --> 01:04:55,520
Speaker 2: So I'm with you. I think he should have sayed

1409
01:04:55,560 --> 01:04:56,040
Speaker 2: another year.

1410
01:04:56,240 --> 01:04:57,959
Speaker 4: But if you're gonna go in the first round, looks

1411
01:04:58,040 --> 01:05:01,000
Speaker 4: like or at least a second coming out early.

1412
01:05:02,320 --> 01:05:03,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, I get it. I just think he could have.

1413
01:05:03,920 --> 01:05:06,160
Speaker 2: It's crazy that he didn't. I get it.

1414
01:05:06,200 --> 01:05:08,640
Speaker 3: Like first round pick, you take it. But like you

1415
01:05:08,680 --> 01:05:11,840
Speaker 3: think about what Debor did at Washington with Pennix a

1416
01:05:12,000 --> 01:05:14,240
Speaker 3: second year, and if you watched Alabama film, I know

1417
01:05:14,320 --> 01:05:17,720
Speaker 3: you did. Their offensive line was god awful. They had

1418
01:05:17,800 --> 01:05:20,680
Speaker 3: one weapon. It was Ryan Williams, the seventeen year old freshman.

1419
01:05:20,720 --> 01:05:21,200
Speaker 2: That was the it.

1420
01:05:21,440 --> 01:05:24,000
Speaker 3: They had no other weapon, and at Alabama that's strange.

1421
01:05:24,040 --> 01:05:26,400
Speaker 3: But the guys transferred out. They had won at Oregon,

1422
01:05:26,400 --> 01:05:29,560
Speaker 3: they had won at Texas. That offensive line McLaughlin as

1423
01:05:29,600 --> 01:05:31,760
Speaker 3: starting center was starting for Ohio State until he went

1424
01:05:31,760 --> 01:05:34,040
Speaker 3: down with an injury, so they didn't have a lot

1425
01:05:34,080 --> 01:05:34,560
Speaker 3: of weapons.

1426
01:05:34,600 --> 01:05:36,640
Speaker 2: He was forced to do a lot and I.

1427
01:05:36,560 --> 01:05:38,920
Speaker 3: Think had he stayed, I really think he had a

1428
01:05:39,000 --> 01:05:40,640
Speaker 3: chance to be like the number one overall pick in

1429
01:05:40,720 --> 01:05:45,360
Speaker 3: this year's draft with another year of quarterback finishing school.

1430
01:05:45,560 --> 01:05:49,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, but here's the theme. Though we ain't maybe missing

1431
01:05:49,840 --> 01:05:52,200
Speaker 4: say he because went on anticipating him being a top

1432
01:05:52,280 --> 01:05:55,600
Speaker 4: five draft pick or anything like that. Right, But here's

1433
01:05:55,640 --> 01:05:59,560
Speaker 4: the part that people need to understand. Sometimes the worst

1434
01:05:59,600 --> 01:06:02,760
Speaker 4: case scenario is for you to be Caleb Williams in

1435
01:06:02,840 --> 01:06:06,760
Speaker 4: that you go to a bad situation and a lot

1436
01:06:06,760 --> 01:06:08,919
Speaker 4: of times you want to be the Lamar Jackson who

1437
01:06:08,960 --> 01:06:12,840
Speaker 4: slides to a great situation in that you have infrastructure,

1438
01:06:13,040 --> 01:06:15,120
Speaker 4: you have a culture, and you have a way about

1439
01:06:15,120 --> 01:06:17,280
Speaker 4: doing things and their success there and they're not looking

1440
01:06:17,280 --> 01:06:19,240
Speaker 4: for you to be the hero to revise the whole

1441
01:06:19,360 --> 01:06:22,760
Speaker 4: entire organization as a rookie. And if Milroe finds himself

1442
01:06:22,800 --> 01:06:25,320
Speaker 4: in a spot to where he can go somewhere and

1443
01:06:25,520 --> 01:06:29,000
Speaker 4: learn and get the nuances of the game down and

1444
01:06:29,080 --> 01:06:33,640
Speaker 4: allow that athletic ability to catch up with his throwing mechanics,

1445
01:06:33,680 --> 01:06:35,920
Speaker 4: because things, for example, to sit out on tape. Just

1446
01:06:35,920 --> 01:06:39,280
Speaker 4: to go back to it, Bowood's ball placement in the league.

1447
01:06:39,760 --> 01:06:40,840
Speaker 2: You know this like I do.

1448
01:06:41,360 --> 01:06:44,680
Speaker 4: If the balls on the inside and it's supposed to

1449
01:06:44,720 --> 01:06:48,080
Speaker 4: be on the outside on a pass pattern, what's gonna happen?

1450
01:06:49,280 --> 01:06:49,480
Speaker 5: Right?

1451
01:06:50,200 --> 01:06:53,080
Speaker 2: Bad things? Bad things, And you saw.

1452
01:06:52,880 --> 01:06:54,680
Speaker 4: A lot of that taking place, And those are the

1453
01:06:54,680 --> 01:06:56,800
Speaker 4: type of things that you have to correct and have

1454
01:06:56,880 --> 01:06:58,640
Speaker 4: to have down. You just simply can't throw it up

1455
01:06:58,640 --> 01:07:01,200
Speaker 4: there and wishing prayer it is gonna fall in your

1456
01:07:01,200 --> 01:07:03,280
Speaker 4: receiver's hands. Is that he has a great catch ratius

1457
01:07:03,360 --> 01:07:05,439
Speaker 4: and he's gonna beat a guy out. So those type

1458
01:07:05,440 --> 01:07:07,960
Speaker 4: of things he certainly has to work on. And then

1459
01:07:08,000 --> 01:07:11,120
Speaker 4: I go back to Okay, if you're gonna be primarily

1460
01:07:11,240 --> 01:07:14,600
Speaker 4: under a shotgun because in shot in shotgun and you're

1461
01:07:14,600 --> 01:07:18,080
Speaker 4: not familiar being under center, that poses a problem. Those

1462
01:07:18,080 --> 01:07:20,000
Speaker 4: are all the type of things that you have to

1463
01:07:20,040 --> 01:07:22,600
Speaker 4: work on and have under your belt, and if you don't,

1464
01:07:22,760 --> 01:07:25,720
Speaker 4: it's gonna make it very hard for you. And granted

1465
01:07:25,840 --> 01:07:28,400
Speaker 4: he has we know he has a physical tools. Now

1466
01:07:28,400 --> 01:07:30,920
Speaker 4: I'm not gonna compare him to Lamar Jackson per se,

1467
01:07:31,200 --> 01:07:34,200
Speaker 4: but I will say that he's just as fast.

1468
01:07:34,720 --> 01:07:36,560
Speaker 3: I'm gonna tell you this. This is the thing though,

1469
01:07:36,560 --> 01:07:39,760
Speaker 3: that I think will be hard. This is why he's

1470
01:07:39,800 --> 01:07:43,080
Speaker 3: a tough evaluation. He played in one of the most

1471
01:07:43,080 --> 01:07:46,960
Speaker 3: incompetent offensive football games I've ever seen at Oklahoma in

1472
01:07:47,000 --> 01:07:48,600
Speaker 3: a game if they win it there in the playoff,

1473
01:07:48,840 --> 01:07:52,520
Speaker 3: and he was awful, and he probably played as good

1474
01:07:52,600 --> 01:07:55,760
Speaker 3: a game at quarterback as anybody in the country when

1475
01:07:55,800 --> 01:07:59,920
Speaker 3: they beat Georgia, who had dudes a ton of do

1476
01:08:00,040 --> 01:08:04,200
Speaker 3: ude talent equates game. He went twenty seven to thirty

1477
01:08:04,200 --> 01:08:06,560
Speaker 3: three for three seventy four to two touchdowns at a

1478
01:08:06,600 --> 01:08:09,320
Speaker 3: pick against Georgia. By the way, he ran for another

1479
01:08:09,320 --> 01:08:11,400
Speaker 3: one hundred and seventeen right, and he was throwing it

1480
01:08:12,080 --> 01:08:15,840
Speaker 3: dots all over the place. So if you're if you're

1481
01:08:15,880 --> 01:08:19,920
Speaker 3: an NFL team and you see that against Georgia, you

1482
01:08:20,000 --> 01:08:22,479
Speaker 3: go so that's in there, right, it's there.

1483
01:08:22,640 --> 01:08:23,280
Speaker 2: That's in there.

1484
01:08:23,439 --> 01:08:26,160
Speaker 3: So like I think about like the rams for him,

1485
01:08:27,479 --> 01:08:29,840
Speaker 3: like a year behind Stafford with McVeigh.

1486
01:08:31,040 --> 01:08:35,040
Speaker 4: Okay, right right, And that's the part right there where

1487
01:08:35,080 --> 01:08:38,760
Speaker 4: you make that move to Okay, this observe, this is

1488
01:08:38,800 --> 01:08:40,840
Speaker 4: how you play quarterback to the highest level. This is

1489
01:08:40,840 --> 01:08:44,040
Speaker 4: how you put consistency to your game because the worst

1490
01:08:44,040 --> 01:08:46,479
Speaker 4: thing that you can possibly do, and I think Richardson

1491
01:08:46,560 --> 01:08:49,280
Speaker 4: for the Colts has messed it up for it even

1492
01:08:49,320 --> 01:08:50,920
Speaker 4: apparently not though, because if he still goes in the

1493
01:08:50,920 --> 01:08:52,720
Speaker 4: first round, it still means that the NFL has hung

1494
01:08:52,800 --> 01:08:55,200
Speaker 4: up on this idea that we're gonna draft talent over

1495
01:08:55,600 --> 01:08:58,000
Speaker 4: substance for the time being. I know that sounds weird, like,

1496
01:08:58,040 --> 01:09:00,519
Speaker 4: what do you mean the substance that's talents at the

1497
01:09:00,600 --> 01:09:03,240
Speaker 4: nuances of the game or the substance. So that may

1498
01:09:03,280 --> 01:09:06,000
Speaker 4: still be the case as the topic dejure for the

1499
01:09:06,160 --> 01:09:08,040
Speaker 4: NFL game and what they do at the quarterbacks spot,

1500
01:09:08,080 --> 01:09:10,240
Speaker 4: But yeah, I'm with you. You have to have, in my opinion, though,

1501
01:09:10,400 --> 01:09:12,920
Speaker 4: consistency because at the end of the day, heck, what

1502
01:09:12,960 --> 01:09:15,439
Speaker 4: we do, it comes down to your habits, and you

1503
01:09:15,479 --> 01:09:18,160
Speaker 4: have to show those habits and traits consistently. If you

1504
01:09:18,240 --> 01:09:20,600
Speaker 4: show him more bad than good, I should assume what

1505
01:09:21,040 --> 01:09:22,840
Speaker 4: look bad as opposed to the good is going to

1506
01:09:22,960 --> 01:09:23,559
Speaker 4: often occur.

1507
01:09:24,479 --> 01:09:27,000
Speaker 3: It's funny you you play that game of how he

1508
01:09:27,040 --> 01:09:29,080
Speaker 3: played against them in the biggest games they played, and

1509
01:09:29,080 --> 01:09:32,000
Speaker 3: he was largely great. He was great against Georgia, he

1510
01:09:32,040 --> 01:09:34,960
Speaker 3: was pretty good against Tennessee, he was great against LSU,

1511
01:09:35,320 --> 01:09:36,639
Speaker 3: he was really good against Missouri.

1512
01:09:36,720 --> 01:09:37,759
Speaker 2: These are their ranked games.

1513
01:09:37,760 --> 01:09:40,519
Speaker 3: And then in his rivalry game against Auburn, he's eighteen

1514
01:09:40,520 --> 01:09:42,960
Speaker 3: to twenty four two fifty six, runs it for another

1515
01:09:42,960 --> 01:09:45,080
Speaker 3: one hundred and four and three touchdowns. He ran for

1516
01:09:45,080 --> 01:09:47,919
Speaker 3: one hundred and eighty five and four touchdowns at LSU.

1517
01:09:48,760 --> 01:09:51,439
Speaker 2: Right, and I think they got athletes on the field. Yeah,

1518
01:09:51,479 --> 01:09:52,680
Speaker 2: they do, I promise you.

1519
01:09:53,200 --> 01:09:55,120
Speaker 3: He went twelve of eighteen throwing it in that game,

1520
01:09:55,200 --> 01:09:57,960
Speaker 3: So it's he's a tricky one, all right. Jackson dart

1521
01:09:58,040 --> 01:09:58,639
Speaker 3: Is next.

1522
01:10:01,920 --> 01:10:05,320
Speaker 4: Has had definitely had a nice supporting cast, and I

1523
01:10:05,400 --> 01:10:08,439
Speaker 4: found myself comparing him and should do her a lot,

1524
01:10:08,479 --> 01:10:12,519
Speaker 4: and standing myself from a throwing standpoint, I don't see

1525
01:10:13,120 --> 01:10:16,479
Speaker 4: major differences because I saw issues with decision making. I

1526
01:10:16,520 --> 01:10:19,200
Speaker 4: saw occasional pat here and two of the football. But

1527
01:10:19,280 --> 01:10:22,400
Speaker 4: the thing that didn't treat me BO is that I

1528
01:10:22,400 --> 01:10:24,840
Speaker 4: didn't realize he had this out of Washington games was

1529
01:10:24,880 --> 01:10:28,880
Speaker 4: he has wiggle. He has he has running capability with

1530
01:10:28,960 --> 01:10:31,000
Speaker 4: the football, and he can move around the pocket and

1531
01:10:31,040 --> 01:10:32,000
Speaker 4: make some things happen.

1532
01:10:32,280 --> 01:10:33,160
Speaker 2: But yeah, you're right.

1533
01:10:33,560 --> 01:10:36,400
Speaker 4: Also though the decision making, how do you do some

1534
01:10:36,479 --> 01:10:38,679
Speaker 4: of the things that you did in the bigger situation.

1535
01:10:38,840 --> 01:10:41,320
Speaker 4: So you're the polar opposite of what we just discussed

1536
01:10:41,360 --> 01:10:45,439
Speaker 4: with Milroe. In that big games, you don't show up

1537
01:10:45,439 --> 01:10:47,519
Speaker 4: and show out. You you shrink.

1538
01:10:47,960 --> 01:10:49,920
Speaker 2: And as we know, the NFL every week is of

1539
01:10:50,000 --> 01:10:56,040
Speaker 2: what a big man. Yeah they are. I don't know

1540
01:10:56,120 --> 01:10:58,519
Speaker 2: people realize he ran for five hundred yards last year. Yeah,

1541
01:10:58,600 --> 01:10:59,920
Speaker 2: I was like, man, this guy got wiggle.

1542
01:11:00,640 --> 01:11:05,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's he's crazy. Because so they beat their

1543
01:11:05,080 --> 01:11:08,160
Speaker 3: their biggest win last year, they beat number three Georgia

1544
01:11:08,520 --> 01:11:11,040
Speaker 3: in Oxford. Uh, he had a decent game. He was

1545
01:11:11,080 --> 01:11:13,280
Speaker 3: thirteen to twenty two for just under two hundred yards,

1546
01:11:13,520 --> 01:11:16,639
Speaker 3: interception and a pick, ran for another fifty the next week.

1547
01:11:16,840 --> 01:11:20,280
Speaker 3: All they gotta do, Gerrod is beat Florida. Who's not good?

1548
01:11:20,640 --> 01:11:23,000
Speaker 3: All he do is beat Florida and he throws one

1549
01:11:23,040 --> 01:11:25,760
Speaker 3: of the most through two interceptions, the second one and

1550
01:11:25,800 --> 01:11:27,160
Speaker 3: they end up being the game clincher. Is one of

1551
01:11:27,200 --> 01:11:29,680
Speaker 3: the more stupefying decisions you'll ever see. And how threw

1552
01:11:29,760 --> 01:11:32,840
Speaker 3: into three guys not good? Right, not good, and he

1553
01:11:32,880 --> 01:11:36,080
Speaker 3: threw it into a crowd and they didn't need it.

1554
01:11:36,080 --> 01:11:39,559
Speaker 3: It just was It just was a bozo decision. So

1555
01:11:39,640 --> 01:11:42,519
Speaker 3: buyer beware a little bit there. All Right, the next guy, obviously,

1556
01:11:42,520 --> 01:11:44,880
Speaker 3: I've seen every snap of and and have a pretty

1557
01:11:44,880 --> 01:11:47,040
Speaker 3: good idea about what he what he is, and what

1558
01:11:47,080 --> 01:11:48,839
Speaker 3: he is not Will Howard buck.

1559
01:11:48,640 --> 01:11:51,760
Speaker 2: Guy, all right, let's go. You've seen it all I have.

1560
01:11:51,960 --> 01:11:55,439
Speaker 4: Yeah, I walked away from the Will Howard experience saying

1561
01:11:56,240 --> 01:12:02,320
Speaker 4: he can be the perfect game manager young quarterback type TAI.

1562
01:12:02,400 --> 01:12:05,120
Speaker 4: If you have an offensive coordinator who just needs the

1563
01:12:05,120 --> 01:12:08,040
Speaker 4: guy to manage the game plan and do exactly what

1564
01:12:08,080 --> 01:12:10,160
Speaker 4: he's telling him to do. Yeah, every now and then

1565
01:12:10,200 --> 01:12:11,759
Speaker 4: you may need to get out some trouble and avoid

1566
01:12:11,880 --> 01:12:16,760
Speaker 4: some situations and situational football. But ultimately, like a Kyle

1567
01:12:16,800 --> 01:12:19,640
Speaker 4: Shanahan has done with a party, I just need you

1568
01:12:19,680 --> 01:12:21,919
Speaker 4: to throw the ball to a spot because I'm designing

1569
01:12:21,960 --> 01:12:24,040
Speaker 4: guys to be open. And I also believe that Kevin

1570
01:12:24,080 --> 01:12:27,960
Speaker 4: Stefanski does the same thing as well.

1571
01:12:28,240 --> 01:12:33,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, his ability to and the funny thing what I

1572
01:12:33,320 --> 01:12:35,120
Speaker 3: like about him is he was better as the season

1573
01:12:35,160 --> 01:12:39,719
Speaker 3: went along with as their competition got better, he got better.

1574
01:12:40,080 --> 01:12:43,920
Speaker 3: If you think about playing Tennessee, Oregon, Texas and Notre Dame,

1575
01:12:43,960 --> 01:12:45,560
Speaker 3: and he was the best quarterback in the field in

1576
01:12:45,600 --> 01:12:49,240
Speaker 3: every one of those games and that matters. And what

1577
01:12:49,400 --> 01:12:52,000
Speaker 3: he's clutch too. When it came time to make a

1578
01:12:52,040 --> 01:12:54,200
Speaker 3: big throw, he made a big throw. This is the

1579
01:12:54,240 --> 01:12:56,519
Speaker 3: thing that I think about him. It's hard because he

1580
01:12:56,640 --> 01:12:59,639
Speaker 3: was in kind of some different systems at Kansas State.

1581
01:13:00,280 --> 01:13:02,040
Speaker 3: All of a sudden, he comes to Ohio State and

1582
01:13:02,080 --> 01:13:06,000
Speaker 3: it's like a pro system, stud receiver, stud talent, and

1583
01:13:06,040 --> 01:13:08,479
Speaker 3: now I got a totally different task. But he grew

1584
01:13:08,680 --> 01:13:11,639
Speaker 3: with it, he grew into it as the season went along,

1585
01:13:11,720 --> 01:13:14,040
Speaker 3: get better. And the thing that's really cool about him

1586
01:13:14,120 --> 01:13:16,760
Speaker 3: is he is a man's man in the sense of

1587
01:13:17,200 --> 01:13:19,920
Speaker 3: that was a room full of grown men who were

1588
01:13:20,000 --> 01:13:22,360
Speaker 3: choosing to come back to Ohio State to win a

1589
01:13:22,479 --> 01:13:25,200
Speaker 3: national title. And he came right in and became a leader.

1590
01:13:25,600 --> 01:13:27,640
Speaker 3: But he didn't force it girod like he'd let it

1591
01:13:27,720 --> 01:13:30,240
Speaker 3: happen naturally, and he ended up being kind of the

1592
01:13:30,280 --> 01:13:32,479
Speaker 3: focal point, one of the focal point leaders of that team.

1593
01:13:32,800 --> 01:13:34,160
Speaker 3: And he was doing so with guys who are there

1594
01:13:34,160 --> 01:13:35,520
Speaker 3: four and five years.

1595
01:13:36,120 --> 01:13:39,360
Speaker 4: I mean, that's impressive. Yes, yes, that means he's embraced

1596
01:13:39,400 --> 01:13:41,559
Speaker 4: by the locker room. That means a guy's respected, and

1597
01:13:41,600 --> 01:13:43,479
Speaker 4: that means that he has something that you have to

1598
01:13:43,479 --> 01:13:45,760
Speaker 4: have on the pro level. If you're going to be

1599
01:13:45,800 --> 01:13:49,320
Speaker 4: a professional quarterback, you have to have the ability to

1600
01:13:49,560 --> 01:13:52,960
Speaker 4: lead men. Guys have to respect you and want to

1601
01:13:53,000 --> 01:13:55,280
Speaker 4: follow you, because if they don't, they will not block

1602
01:13:55,320 --> 01:13:57,479
Speaker 4: as hard for you, and they won't play as hard, even.

1603
01:13:57,400 --> 01:13:59,080
Speaker 2: Though their livelihood depends on it as well. And I

1604
01:13:59,080 --> 01:14:00,000
Speaker 2: know that makes no system.

1605
01:14:00,040 --> 01:14:02,240
Speaker 4: Most people listen to sound my voice, but I am

1606
01:14:02,320 --> 01:14:05,360
Speaker 4: here to tell you it's an absolute fact.

1607
01:14:06,240 --> 01:14:08,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, all of those all of these videos of your

1608
01:14:08,680 --> 01:14:10,760
Speaker 3: breakdowns are on the ESP and Cleveland YouTube channel.

1609
01:14:10,840 --> 01:14:11,240
Speaker 2: Check them out.

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01:14:11,280 --> 01:14:13,679
Speaker 3: They're great stuff. Good job buddy on all of that,

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Speaker 3: Time for the Little as Jerod edition of ass CBD.

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Speaker 2: Hello Gibbe, Hi.

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01:14:57,680 --> 01:15:01,000
Speaker 5: Gentlemen, how are you good? Good? Before we get into

1625
01:15:01,040 --> 01:15:03,400
Speaker 5: everybody's questions, real quick, because we had it in the

1626
01:15:03,439 --> 01:15:05,519
Speaker 5: rundown and I want to get to Gerard on this.

1627
01:15:06,360 --> 01:15:10,800
Speaker 5: Gerard real quick, your top five positions of need for

1628
01:15:10,880 --> 01:15:13,360
Speaker 5: the Browns going into draft weekend.

1629
01:15:14,320 --> 01:15:17,439
Speaker 4: At number one for yours, truly, I'm going to say

1630
01:15:18,479 --> 01:15:22,000
Speaker 4: rush in opposite of Miles Garrett. He's probably thinking, we

1631
01:15:22,120 --> 01:15:25,479
Speaker 4: got Miles Garrett. Well, let's give Miles Garrett something definitive.

1632
01:15:25,560 --> 01:15:28,000
Speaker 4: Imagine if Abdul Carter was on another opposite end of him,

1633
01:15:28,040 --> 01:15:30,519
Speaker 4: what that would look like. That would be sick, to

1634
01:15:30,560 --> 01:15:35,120
Speaker 4: say the least. At number two, I'm going to say tackle.

1635
01:15:35,520 --> 01:15:38,519
Speaker 4: I love big Thanos Dwan Jones, but at the same time,

1636
01:15:38,920 --> 01:15:40,360
Speaker 4: at this point, I don't think he's made it through

1637
01:15:40,360 --> 01:15:42,360
Speaker 4: a season yet in his pro career without an injury,

1638
01:15:42,439 --> 01:15:45,120
Speaker 4: So that right there becomes a primary concern at the

1639
01:15:45,120 --> 01:15:50,120
Speaker 4: tackle position. Wide receiver factors in outside of Jerry Judy

1640
01:15:50,400 --> 01:15:53,960
Speaker 4: pretty much all our receivers were limited in play or

1641
01:15:54,680 --> 01:15:58,160
Speaker 4: did not play at all for the most part. Then

1642
01:15:58,200 --> 01:16:00,880
Speaker 4: that takes me to number four. What are we doing

1643
01:16:01,040 --> 01:16:04,639
Speaker 4: at the linebacker position. We don't notice statsage of Jok

1644
01:16:04,840 --> 01:16:07,800
Speaker 4: where he stands, where he's at with things. And then

1645
01:16:08,479 --> 01:16:10,840
Speaker 4: I believe right now the fifth spot you can put

1646
01:16:10,880 --> 01:16:12,640
Speaker 4: it at number one, But I think we're gonna go

1647
01:16:12,800 --> 01:16:16,240
Speaker 4: with our veteran quarterback situation and let that play itself out.

1648
01:16:16,280 --> 01:16:18,200
Speaker 2: So the need is not as drastic you have to

1649
01:16:18,200 --> 01:16:18,960
Speaker 2: say quarterback.

1650
01:16:22,400 --> 01:16:26,639
Speaker 3: Yeah, I I mean we're on record. I'm weapons weapons,

1651
01:16:26,680 --> 01:16:29,360
Speaker 3: weapons guy. At this point, I think you need a

1652
01:16:29,360 --> 01:16:30,920
Speaker 3: lot of them. I don't think there's a whole lot

1653
01:16:31,040 --> 01:16:35,960
Speaker 3: right now as currently constructed offensively. I don't know what

1654
01:16:36,160 --> 01:16:39,759
Speaker 3: we have that scares anybody outside of Jerry, Judy and Chief,

1655
01:16:41,680 --> 01:16:47,160
Speaker 3: Like what are you preparing for defensively? And so look,

1656
01:16:47,160 --> 01:16:49,000
Speaker 3: this is I mean Andrew talked about this. That hasn't

1657
01:16:49,000 --> 01:16:51,880
Speaker 3: talked about this the league meetings. Like we're in a

1658
01:16:51,920 --> 01:16:54,680
Speaker 3: bit of a transition here right Like we've got to

1659
01:16:55,400 --> 01:16:57,800
Speaker 3: add a lot of talent to this roster and it's

1660
01:16:57,840 --> 01:17:01,040
Speaker 3: a massive draft in terms of what the next couple

1661
01:17:01,040 --> 01:17:02,800
Speaker 3: of years, look like there needs to be more hits

1662
01:17:02,800 --> 01:17:05,639
Speaker 3: than miss is in a big way nine days from tonight,

1663
01:17:05,680 --> 01:17:07,320
Speaker 3: starting nine days from tonight, no.

1664
01:17:07,240 --> 01:17:07,800
Speaker 2: Doubt about it.

1665
01:17:07,840 --> 01:17:09,679
Speaker 4: And as I think about what I just said, I mean,

1666
01:17:10,200 --> 01:17:12,280
Speaker 4: throw the running back position obviously in there as well,

1667
01:17:12,320 --> 01:17:14,800
Speaker 4: because there's a big, great certainty in question mark there

1668
01:17:15,240 --> 01:17:17,200
Speaker 4: far as I mean, I love what I've seen him

1669
01:17:17,200 --> 01:17:19,439
Speaker 4: from flashes from Jerome Ford in which he's had some

1670
01:17:19,520 --> 01:17:22,240
Speaker 4: really big phenomenal plays and anytime you run away from

1671
01:17:22,280 --> 01:17:24,760
Speaker 4: DB's you're gonna get my respect. And I've seen him

1672
01:17:24,800 --> 01:17:27,240
Speaker 4: do that for the past two seasons with him in

1673
01:17:27,240 --> 01:17:31,920
Speaker 4: the Browns uniform. But obviously going from spot play to

1674
01:17:32,120 --> 01:17:34,280
Speaker 4: all the time play, that's a whole nother scenario, so

1675
01:17:34,840 --> 01:17:37,160
Speaker 4: that factors in the guys behind him. It hasn't been

1676
01:17:37,240 --> 01:17:40,479
Speaker 4: consistency there either, So the running back situation, heck, I

1677
01:17:40,520 --> 01:17:43,439
Speaker 4: might want to revamp my whole, my whole deal and

1678
01:17:43,479 --> 01:17:45,479
Speaker 4: say put that at least at number one, possibly one

1679
01:17:45,560 --> 01:17:45,800
Speaker 4: or two.

1680
01:17:47,040 --> 01:17:51,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, you gotta find you know, Travis at two if

1681
01:17:51,360 --> 01:17:55,920
Speaker 3: that's the way it goes, right, immediate weapon, immediate threat

1682
01:17:56,200 --> 01:17:57,840
Speaker 3: in the return game. If you want him to be,

1683
01:17:58,120 --> 01:17:59,839
Speaker 3: he can take it to the house at any point

1684
01:18:00,240 --> 01:18:03,559
Speaker 3: and then you can work in a corner, you know,

1685
01:18:03,680 --> 01:18:05,560
Speaker 3: in spots stuff. I mean, you can put him in

1686
01:18:05,600 --> 01:18:08,360
Speaker 3: nickel and that type of stuff. But just an incredible

1687
01:18:08,360 --> 01:18:10,559
Speaker 3: thing for defense Steff to deal with. If he's out there,

1688
01:18:10,680 --> 01:18:11,840
Speaker 3: you have to know where he is.

1689
01:18:11,840 --> 01:18:15,200
Speaker 4: Right and that freeze Jerry up, That freezes Chief up.

1690
01:18:15,560 --> 01:18:18,760
Speaker 4: And then with that being said, if the defense is

1691
01:18:18,800 --> 01:18:22,439
Speaker 4: so past conscious, now we have a situation where we

1692
01:18:22,479 --> 01:18:24,720
Speaker 4: can run the football. And that's the best thing going

1693
01:18:24,760 --> 01:18:28,200
Speaker 4: whenever you have dual threat capability from your office and

1694
01:18:28,200 --> 01:18:31,759
Speaker 4: that the defensive coordinator cannot pigeonhole you to a situation

1695
01:18:31,760 --> 01:18:33,960
Speaker 4: in which they're dictating what you're gonna do. You're gonna

1696
01:18:33,960 --> 01:18:36,160
Speaker 4: win football games from a coordination standpoint, and that's the

1697
01:18:36,200 --> 01:18:36,720
Speaker 4: name of the game.

1698
01:18:36,720 --> 01:18:37,559
Speaker 2: It's really that simple.

1699
01:18:37,640 --> 01:18:43,120
Speaker 5: Yep, yep. It's very very interesting how this is all

1700
01:18:43,160 --> 01:18:46,760
Speaker 5: gonna How this is all gonna go? Yeah, because I mean,

1701
01:18:46,800 --> 01:18:50,840
Speaker 5: you need upwards of seven different people's offense. I mean,

1702
01:18:51,080 --> 01:18:53,080
Speaker 5: I get the edge Rusher, I know you mentioned it.

1703
01:18:54,520 --> 01:18:56,640
Speaker 5: I just I think there's a lot of bodies in

1704
01:18:56,680 --> 01:18:58,960
Speaker 5: that room. I know you can never have enough, but

1705
01:19:00,200 --> 01:19:02,960
Speaker 5: I don't know who the third I don't know who

1706
01:19:03,560 --> 01:19:05,920
Speaker 5: w R three is right now, right, I don't know

1707
01:19:05,920 --> 01:19:08,880
Speaker 5: who RB two is right now. I don't know who

1708
01:19:08,880 --> 01:19:13,120
Speaker 5: tight end two is right now. Engineers and you mentioned tackle.

1709
01:19:14,600 --> 01:19:17,400
Speaker 3: No, I mean it like it you know that's what

1710
01:19:17,600 --> 01:19:20,160
Speaker 3: and Zee and I have talked about this, like is

1711
01:19:20,200 --> 01:19:22,840
Speaker 3: this the one where you say, like Elijah Moore is

1712
01:19:22,880 --> 01:19:27,240
Speaker 3: just sitting out there. He played well with Flacco, he

1713
01:19:27,320 --> 01:19:29,320
Speaker 3: knows the system, like we even talked about that with

1714
01:19:29,400 --> 01:19:33,280
Speaker 3: Jed at tackle, Like Jed's unemployed at the moment, like

1715
01:19:33,479 --> 01:19:36,439
Speaker 3: he could come in and on a cheap and knows

1716
01:19:36,479 --> 01:19:39,000
Speaker 3: the system, knows the terminology. Yeah, we know what the

1717
01:19:39,080 --> 01:19:42,200
Speaker 3: issues are right exactly, But I don't know. Maybe it's

1718
01:19:42,240 --> 01:19:44,120
Speaker 3: maybe it's an eye opening for him that that no

1719
01:19:44,160 --> 01:19:46,240
Speaker 3: one was rushing to beat down his door and compensated.

1720
01:19:46,320 --> 01:19:48,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, And you never know what can be the catalyst

1721
01:19:48,080 --> 01:19:50,360
Speaker 4: for one to change their perspective and realize it's a

1722
01:19:50,439 --> 01:19:53,120
Speaker 4: privilege to be in the National Football League and that

1723
01:19:53,280 --> 01:19:55,200
Speaker 4: may just do it. To sit out as long as

1724
01:19:55,240 --> 01:19:57,280
Speaker 4: you possibly can and really hit let the messages home,

1725
01:19:57,520 --> 01:20:00,720
Speaker 4: because when his mind is right and his body's right,

1726
01:20:00,800 --> 01:20:03,360
Speaker 4: it's a good football player. Talked about Jed Wills. But

1727
01:20:03,479 --> 01:20:05,880
Speaker 4: if you don't have your mind and body right, and

1728
01:20:06,040 --> 01:20:09,120
Speaker 4: you're on some other stuff and you're not there. It's

1729
01:20:09,120 --> 01:20:11,160
Speaker 4: gonna show itself because way too many guys work too

1730
01:20:11,200 --> 01:20:13,960
Speaker 4: hard to apply themselves too much for one to just

1731
01:20:14,000 --> 01:20:16,639
Speaker 4: think that they can, as Bill Belichick will say, slap

1732
01:20:16,680 --> 01:20:19,800
Speaker 4: it out there and get the job done, because it doesn't.

1733
01:20:19,479 --> 01:20:20,120
Speaker 5: Work that way.

1734
01:20:21,160 --> 01:20:23,479
Speaker 2: Hey, I got an astroid foray.

1735
01:20:25,439 --> 01:20:28,679
Speaker 3: What did you when you see Bill on the field

1736
01:20:28,920 --> 01:20:32,040
Speaker 3: at North Carolina? Huh with the twenty five year old

1737
01:20:32,040 --> 01:20:36,280
Speaker 3: girlfriend who is just walking out during spring game, putting

1738
01:20:36,280 --> 01:20:39,640
Speaker 3: a mic on him, interrupting him talking to coaches.

1739
01:20:40,439 --> 01:20:42,840
Speaker 2: You played for the man the GM, She might be

1740
01:20:43,920 --> 01:20:47,200
Speaker 2: what is going on? Man? I mean this is a

1741
01:20:47,320 --> 01:20:50,240
Speaker 2: kids show, a family show rather so.

1742
01:20:50,439 --> 01:20:52,920
Speaker 3: The physical part of it I get, But why is

1743
01:20:53,680 --> 01:20:56,200
Speaker 3: the like it's a I've never seen a green light

1744
01:20:56,640 --> 01:20:59,679
Speaker 3: like this in terms of like, honey, whatever you want

1745
01:21:00,680 --> 01:21:01,320
Speaker 3: it is.

1746
01:21:02,080 --> 01:21:06,600
Speaker 4: I don't know that person. It's fascinating. I watched it yesterday.

1747
01:21:07,080 --> 01:21:09,720
Speaker 4: She'll walk off the field on the field like she

1748
01:21:09,840 --> 01:21:12,800
Speaker 4: owns the field and just the level of I better

1749
01:21:12,800 --> 01:21:14,439
Speaker 4: watch what I'm saying because I might be banned from

1750
01:21:14,439 --> 01:21:15,680
Speaker 4: talking to him and she gets win of this.

1751
01:21:18,479 --> 01:21:20,800
Speaker 2: It's fascinating to me.

1752
01:21:21,240 --> 01:21:26,160
Speaker 4: To see how much he has just dropped the whole demeanor.

1753
01:21:26,200 --> 01:21:29,720
Speaker 4: And it's just whatever you say, dear, and nothing wrong

1754
01:21:29,760 --> 01:21:31,240
Speaker 4: with that. For the guys who are out there who

1755
01:21:31,280 --> 01:21:33,120
Speaker 4: have a significant other, I'm not saying that.

1756
01:21:33,479 --> 01:21:35,240
Speaker 2: But this is not the Bill Belichick. I know the

1757
01:21:35,240 --> 01:21:35,959
Speaker 2: Bill Belichick.

1758
01:21:36,000 --> 01:21:36,200
Speaker 5: I know.

1759
01:21:36,240 --> 01:21:40,120
Speaker 4: Would I even let you let the owner's significant other

1760
01:21:40,160 --> 01:21:41,040
Speaker 4: come on a football field?

1761
01:21:41,080 --> 01:21:42,040
Speaker 2: He could do something about it.

1762
01:21:42,200 --> 01:21:44,760
Speaker 4: So to watch him allow her to parade around and

1763
01:21:44,800 --> 01:21:47,799
Speaker 4: she walks around with the like she owns the place

1764
01:21:48,040 --> 01:21:52,520
Speaker 4: and there's no denia. You see it in her body language,

1765
01:21:52,600 --> 01:21:54,800
Speaker 4: and you see and how he responds and reacts to her,

1766
01:21:55,080 --> 01:21:58,360
Speaker 4: and I'm like, whoa.

1767
01:21:59,240 --> 01:22:00,679
Speaker 2: Did you see of this?

1768
01:22:00,960 --> 01:22:01,200
Speaker 6: New?

1769
01:22:01,600 --> 01:22:01,920
Speaker 2: Ever?

1770
01:22:02,720 --> 01:22:08,320
Speaker 4: Never again, the owners mssus Craft would not come on

1771
01:22:08,360 --> 01:22:11,360
Speaker 4: a football field. Tom Brady's significant other would not come

1772
01:22:11,360 --> 01:22:14,680
Speaker 4: on a football field. Hell Bill's significant other will not

1773
01:22:14,720 --> 01:22:15,800
Speaker 4: come on a football field.

1774
01:22:16,280 --> 01:22:19,160
Speaker 5: None of them. Easy.

1775
01:22:19,360 --> 01:22:21,360
Speaker 2: I mean, when I.

1776
01:22:21,280 --> 01:22:25,400
Speaker 4: Tell you recognizable, it's it's imagine how fascinated when I

1777
01:22:25,439 --> 01:22:27,880
Speaker 4: watch it. I'm gonna I'm like, right now, I'm at

1778
01:22:27,880 --> 01:22:30,720
Speaker 4: a loss for words or describing it because I'm like, so,

1779
01:22:30,840 --> 01:22:34,160
Speaker 4: what was all the hell and all the detail and

1780
01:22:34,200 --> 01:22:37,040
Speaker 4: all the stuff that you put us about under about

1781
01:22:37,280 --> 01:22:41,439
Speaker 4: in distractions and focusing and what that entails.

1782
01:22:41,920 --> 01:22:42,080
Speaker 6: Now.

1783
01:22:42,120 --> 01:22:46,560
Speaker 2: Granted we were uber successful, no doubt about.

1784
01:22:46,240 --> 01:22:49,240
Speaker 4: That, But I'm like, is your what's your deal with

1785
01:22:49,280 --> 01:22:52,439
Speaker 4: North Carolina, which happens to be one of my favorite colleges.

1786
01:22:52,640 --> 01:22:54,759
Speaker 4: Why are you screwing them up with what your antis

1787
01:22:54,760 --> 01:22:55,760
Speaker 4: and what that represents?

1788
01:22:56,439 --> 01:22:56,719
Speaker 2: Right?

1789
01:22:57,080 --> 01:22:58,719
Speaker 5: Couldn't happen to a better program?

1790
01:22:58,840 --> 01:22:59,040
Speaker 1: Oh?

1791
01:22:59,120 --> 01:23:00,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, you know what.

1792
01:23:01,720 --> 01:23:03,360
Speaker 4: I was real nice to you, but I wasn't as

1793
01:23:03,400 --> 01:23:05,040
Speaker 4: nice to Kevin keV who else was supposed to be

1794
01:23:05,120 --> 01:23:06,400
Speaker 4: a horrible Duke fan as well?

1795
01:23:06,479 --> 01:23:06,800
Speaker 2: Like you?

1796
01:23:07,560 --> 01:23:09,880
Speaker 5: That's all right, Kenny road It took your baton and

1797
01:23:09,880 --> 01:23:12,679
Speaker 5: said I'll take care of him, and literally the clock

1798
01:23:12,760 --> 01:23:15,920
Speaker 5: hit zero against Houston. I was inundated for an hour

1799
01:23:15,960 --> 01:23:16,400
Speaker 5: and a half.

1800
01:23:22,439 --> 01:23:25,679
Speaker 2: Could you feel me? Could you feel me laughing at yours?

1801
01:23:26,040 --> 01:23:26,120
Speaker 6: Oh?

1802
01:23:26,200 --> 01:23:28,960
Speaker 5: I knew, I know. I know who my enemies are.

1803
01:23:28,960 --> 01:23:30,840
Speaker 5: At that time of year, in the month of March,

1804
01:23:31,040 --> 01:23:34,719
Speaker 5: you're at You're at the top of the list, Tommy Klako.

1805
01:23:34,760 --> 01:23:37,160
Speaker 5: Assuming the Browns take Hunter at number two, let's say

1806
01:23:37,200 --> 01:23:39,400
Speaker 5: the thought is to try to pair Shador with his

1807
01:23:39,439 --> 01:23:42,919
Speaker 5: wide receiver, much like Burrow and Chase. What's the lowest

1808
01:23:43,120 --> 01:23:46,160
Speaker 5: you would allow Schador to fall before realistically trying to

1809
01:23:46,200 --> 01:23:47,240
Speaker 5: trade up to get him.

1810
01:23:47,400 --> 01:23:49,880
Speaker 4: Oh, Man, be honest with you, And I know this

1811
01:23:49,920 --> 01:23:52,080
Speaker 4: is not popular. I'm about to say if I'm not

1812
01:23:52,080 --> 01:23:54,639
Speaker 4: gonna do it the second pick overall, because that's obviously

1813
01:23:54,680 --> 01:23:58,400
Speaker 4: his expectation, I'm not gonna. I'm not gonna make that move.

1814
01:23:58,680 --> 01:24:01,759
Speaker 4: I'm gonna I'm gonna pass on him because, if anything,

1815
01:24:01,800 --> 01:24:04,200
Speaker 4: I don't want the potential of a discgrown up quarterback

1816
01:24:04,760 --> 01:24:06,680
Speaker 4: and thinking that he should be somewhere where he's not

1817
01:24:07,160 --> 01:24:09,280
Speaker 4: and what that could possibly entail. Not to say that

1818
01:24:09,280 --> 01:24:11,559
Speaker 4: he will be that way, but the potential is certainly there.

1819
01:24:12,200 --> 01:24:15,400
Speaker 4: And on top of that, I'm of the opinion I

1820
01:24:15,439 --> 01:24:17,680
Speaker 4: need guys who can contribute right away, and I'm not

1821
01:24:18,360 --> 01:24:20,280
Speaker 4: completely sold on an idea that he can do that.

1822
01:24:23,160 --> 01:24:27,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, I hear that, because I'm I I kind of

1823
01:24:27,000 --> 01:24:28,720
Speaker 3: feel the same way, like he's not good enough at two,

1824
01:24:28,760 --> 01:24:29,920
Speaker 3: why is he good enough at sixteen?

1825
01:24:30,120 --> 01:24:30,360
Speaker 7: Right?

1826
01:24:31,800 --> 01:24:37,559
Speaker 3: But at the same time, there would be a lot

1827
01:24:37,600 --> 01:24:40,360
Speaker 3: of there would be a lot of excitement and and

1828
01:24:40,439 --> 01:24:42,599
Speaker 3: I think the idea. I think one thing that's kind

1829
01:24:42,600 --> 01:24:44,120
Speaker 3: of got lost in this is he was kind of

1830
01:24:44,120 --> 01:24:47,040
Speaker 3: the consensus Number two quarterback the whole way. He's kind

1831
01:24:47,040 --> 01:24:49,800
Speaker 3: of been that all the way through. And he does

1832
01:24:49,880 --> 01:24:54,360
Speaker 3: have traits of things that Kevin would like. And and

1833
01:24:54,560 --> 01:24:56,200
Speaker 3: if you when you talk about the accuratey, I mean

1834
01:24:56,240 --> 01:24:57,559
Speaker 3: he led college football and accuracy.

1835
01:24:57,560 --> 01:24:59,000
Speaker 2: See, he's a very accurate quarterback.

1836
01:24:59,040 --> 01:25:02,280
Speaker 3: He's very tough, and I think we ought to know

1837
01:25:02,360 --> 01:25:07,360
Speaker 3: exactly what he is because Pat's Pat Shermer's connection to Kevin.

1838
01:25:07,760 --> 01:25:11,080
Speaker 3: So if they go back in and get him in

1839
01:25:11,120 --> 01:25:12,760
Speaker 3: the twenty, I don't think he's gonna get there though.

1840
01:25:12,800 --> 01:25:14,559
Speaker 3: I don't think he's getting that past stand I don't

1841
01:25:14,560 --> 01:25:16,479
Speaker 3: I think he's gonna go. But even if he does,

1842
01:25:16,960 --> 01:25:18,840
Speaker 3: if they go back and get them, then I would

1843
01:25:18,880 --> 01:25:23,160
Speaker 3: say that is Kevin saying, I like this kid, Let's

1844
01:25:23,200 --> 01:25:25,760
Speaker 3: go get him and he'll work for me. I know

1845
01:25:25,840 --> 01:25:28,519
Speaker 3: it because of my relationship with Pat. I know he'll

1846
01:25:28,520 --> 01:25:31,000
Speaker 3: work in this system. That's that's my hunch how it

1847
01:25:31,000 --> 01:25:31,439
Speaker 3: would happen.

1848
01:25:31,560 --> 01:25:33,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, And the only thing that takes me even further

1849
01:25:33,280 --> 01:25:36,760
Speaker 4: away from that thought Bo and Jay is that if

1850
01:25:37,000 --> 01:25:40,760
Speaker 4: Kevin Stefanski stays an extra day to watch Jackson Dart

1851
01:25:41,439 --> 01:25:44,120
Speaker 4: work out when he just had a private workout, that

1852
01:25:44,200 --> 01:25:46,040
Speaker 4: just leads to the and that again could be just

1853
01:25:46,120 --> 01:25:48,759
Speaker 4: all there for visuals and optics and all that stuff.

1854
01:25:49,160 --> 01:25:51,280
Speaker 4: But I don't think the man buys his time so that,

1855
01:25:51,600 --> 01:25:54,839
Speaker 4: in my mind, elevates him. That being dark over centers

1856
01:25:54,840 --> 01:25:55,679
Speaker 4: in the Brown's eyes.

1857
01:25:58,280 --> 01:26:00,800
Speaker 5: Brian tweets at the show thoughts on the possibility of

1858
01:26:00,880 --> 01:26:02,960
Speaker 5: Nick Chubb coming back in the fold for the Browns.

1859
01:26:03,000 --> 01:26:06,639
Speaker 5: I know mister Chubb had some questionable comments yesterday on Instagram.

1860
01:26:06,680 --> 01:26:08,479
Speaker 3: Oh I didn't hear those. I didn't hear the comments.

1861
01:26:08,920 --> 01:26:11,240
Speaker 3: See the comments, Give me some give me the context.

1862
01:26:12,200 --> 01:26:15,280
Speaker 4: Well, I'll paraphrase pretty much said, my story has not

1863
01:26:15,320 --> 01:26:17,960
Speaker 4: been fully written yet, and they're already trying to close

1864
01:26:18,000 --> 01:26:19,479
Speaker 4: the chapter book.

1865
01:26:19,920 --> 01:26:22,599
Speaker 5: They've already wrote my ending when I'm just getting started.

1866
01:26:23,560 --> 01:26:25,439
Speaker 5: I don't know if that means anything. I don't think

1867
01:26:25,439 --> 01:26:26,519
Speaker 5: it means anything to us.

1868
01:26:27,120 --> 01:26:28,920
Speaker 2: I would like to say, no, no, I don't.

1869
01:26:28,920 --> 01:26:31,320
Speaker 5: And it showed there are three pictures of him working

1870
01:26:31,360 --> 01:26:33,240
Speaker 5: out and then then the Batman.

1871
01:26:34,400 --> 01:26:39,080
Speaker 3: And he's had he's had three He's had two catastrophic

1872
01:26:39,160 --> 01:26:42,519
Speaker 3: knee injuries, right, and then a second setback last year.

1873
01:26:43,160 --> 01:26:48,840
Speaker 2: He is is he the most popular Browns player? You

1874
01:26:48,920 --> 01:26:51,040
Speaker 2: think about that? You guys have been here says Bernie.

1875
01:26:51,080 --> 01:26:53,880
Speaker 2: Since the Browns came back. Yeah, since Bernie.

1876
01:26:53,760 --> 01:26:55,200
Speaker 5: Is number one, make that argument.

1877
01:26:55,320 --> 01:26:57,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, I think so.

1878
01:26:57,360 --> 01:26:59,120
Speaker 3: I mean, just in terms of the reaction to when

1879
01:26:59,120 --> 01:27:02,880
Speaker 3: he's introduced, man has his own cential. Yeah, I mean

1880
01:27:02,920 --> 01:27:04,680
Speaker 3: I think he is. I think he's the answer to

1881
01:27:04,720 --> 01:27:07,080
Speaker 3: that question, like most popular. And by the way, every

1882
01:27:07,120 --> 01:27:10,800
Speaker 3: time Kevin Spansky talks, he says, I want fifty of them,

1883
01:27:10,960 --> 01:27:13,680
Speaker 3: give me fifty Nick Chubbs, it's onnlybody wants. I don't

1884
01:27:13,720 --> 01:27:15,720
Speaker 3: think that, Yeah, right, I don't think it's I don't

1885
01:27:15,720 --> 01:27:18,240
Speaker 3: think the chapter is closed on him here either. Well,

1886
01:27:18,280 --> 01:27:21,439
Speaker 3: I hope you're probably. I mean his pictures right here.

1887
01:27:21,439 --> 01:27:23,439
Speaker 3: I'm looking at it, So I don't he's got all

1888
01:27:23,479 --> 01:27:24,040
Speaker 3: He's over.

1889
01:27:23,840 --> 01:27:24,679
Speaker 2: The wall, though.

1890
01:27:24,680 --> 01:27:26,679
Speaker 4: I don't think you paint over that wall because he's

1891
01:27:26,720 --> 01:27:28,840
Speaker 4: that grave of a guy. You want, guys, this is

1892
01:27:28,880 --> 01:27:32,000
Speaker 4: how you do it. This is Parson you want to

1893
01:27:32,160 --> 01:27:34,599
Speaker 4: emulate when you play football and how you go about

1894
01:27:34,600 --> 01:27:36,599
Speaker 4: being a team player is Nick Chubb. So I don't

1895
01:27:36,600 --> 01:27:37,800
Speaker 4: think that wall ever gets painted.

1896
01:27:38,640 --> 01:27:41,360
Speaker 3: No, and I think his I think he will have

1897
01:27:41,400 --> 01:27:43,479
Speaker 3: to make an adjustment on who he is as a player,

1898
01:27:43,560 --> 01:27:46,680
Speaker 3: just on the physical toll that playing football has put

1899
01:27:46,720 --> 01:27:49,040
Speaker 3: on his body, right, so he could potentially be like

1900
01:27:49,040 --> 01:27:52,040
Speaker 3: what Kareem Hunt was two years ago for US short yardage,

1901
01:27:52,080 --> 01:27:53,200
Speaker 3: big boost touchdown.

1902
01:27:53,240 --> 01:27:56,400
Speaker 2: I could see that absolutely in a heartbeat. Absolutely yeah.

1903
01:27:56,439 --> 01:28:00,160
Speaker 3: Sign and you think about him playing if if we

1904
01:28:00,280 --> 01:28:03,840
Speaker 3: draft a running back at thirty three or at sixty seven.

1905
01:28:04,600 --> 01:28:07,320
Speaker 2: Just do what he does. Yeah right, here's the example.

1906
01:28:07,400 --> 01:28:07,840
Speaker 5: Go do this.

1907
01:28:07,960 --> 01:28:10,360
Speaker 4: That's the hard part though, because sometimes your stature is

1908
01:28:10,360 --> 01:28:12,840
Speaker 4: so great that it almost feels like.

1909
01:28:14,520 --> 01:28:15,160
Speaker 2: Weird two.

1910
01:28:15,680 --> 01:28:18,640
Speaker 4: All right, Nick, you're the you're the three, and on

1911
01:28:19,200 --> 01:28:22,080
Speaker 4: and listen for the just the fact of matter. If

1912
01:28:22,120 --> 01:28:24,479
Speaker 4: you're the third running back, you don't have to contribute

1913
01:28:24,479 --> 01:28:26,320
Speaker 4: on special teams. And Nick Chubb is not running down

1914
01:28:26,360 --> 01:28:29,120
Speaker 4: on the kickoff or fielding punts or anything like that.

1915
01:28:30,800 --> 01:28:33,719
Speaker 2: No, no, no, he's not. It's true, very very true.

1916
01:28:33,800 --> 01:28:37,360
Speaker 5: I have thirty seconds go to road road trip snack

1917
01:28:37,479 --> 01:28:40,600
Speaker 5: for you both. Food. It's in your wheelhouse.

1918
01:28:41,040 --> 01:28:43,439
Speaker 2: It's more than my wheels house us. That is my

1919
01:28:43,520 --> 01:28:47,719
Speaker 2: house man. On the road trip. I have to go with.

1920
01:28:48,640 --> 01:28:52,960
Speaker 4: Grandma's for some reason. I always get these Grandma's cookies

1921
01:28:53,400 --> 01:28:54,000
Speaker 4: peanut butter.

1922
01:28:55,280 --> 01:28:56,200
Speaker 2: Oh those are winners.

1923
01:28:56,560 --> 01:28:58,320
Speaker 5: See. I like the chocolate ones and I'm not a

1924
01:28:58,320 --> 01:28:59,240
Speaker 5: big chocolate guy.

1925
01:28:59,360 --> 01:29:01,920
Speaker 3: The chocolate chocolate with the red pack, those are unreal.

1926
01:29:02,640 --> 01:29:04,320
Speaker 3: Those are great. You sucked down those.

1927
01:29:05,160 --> 01:29:07,600
Speaker 4: Sandwich cookies though, in the in the sandwich and the

1928
01:29:07,600 --> 01:29:09,040
Speaker 4: peanut butter color package.

1929
01:29:09,160 --> 01:29:11,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's a good.

1930
01:29:11,160 --> 01:29:14,880
Speaker 3: I go, uh, sunflower seeds because all of a sudden,

1931
01:29:14,920 --> 01:29:17,280
Speaker 3: I don't even know, I've been driving for four hours

1932
01:29:17,560 --> 01:29:19,720
Speaker 3: sucking down sunflower seeds, and it's like, what where did

1933
01:29:19,720 --> 01:29:20,080
Speaker 3: the day go?

1934
01:29:20,160 --> 01:29:22,519
Speaker 2: What just happens? I need for that? Some four hours

1935
01:29:22,520 --> 01:29:24,479
Speaker 2: in boone, I'm like, Okay, I need some sugar. I

1936
01:29:24,520 --> 01:29:26,639
Speaker 2: need a little sugar. Maybe so much more to come.

1937
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Speaker 3: So normally around this time I will say something the

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Speaker 3: What what do we have to look forward to here?

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Speaker 3: Coming up next to the next level?

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Speaker 2: My friend, we are It's all gonna dissect.

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Speaker 4: Allegedly, what Travis Hunter had to say in regards of

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Speaker 4: playing both offense and defense and as a demand. If

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Speaker 4: it doesn't take place, he's gonna he's not gonna play

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Speaker 4: professional football. I think that's probably more unlikely not the case.

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Speaker 4: And obviously, like you said, Bo, we need speaking points

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Speaker 4: this time of year, and we certainly have them.

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Speaker 2: We have them.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he's quoted. I mean it's a quote like this

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Speaker 3: because I never doing it my whole life. I love

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Speaker 3: enjoy doing it. I will say that that quote is

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Speaker 3: let me play both, I'm gonna right. I mean, there's

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Speaker 3: no nuance to it, right. Life's full of nuance, So

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Speaker 3: my guess is there will be a lot of it.

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Speaker 3: Always look forward when you're in my friend. Great talking

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