1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:06,960 Speaker 1: It's time to get inside the Giants. Hunt's my Giants, 2 00:00:07,040 --> 00:00:09,720 Speaker 1: give me some joke? Part of the Giants Podcast Network. 3 00:00:09,800 --> 00:00:10,200 Speaker 1: Let's roll. 4 00:00:10,480 --> 00:00:12,799 Speaker 2: Welcome to another edition of the Giants Little Podcast, brought 5 00:00:12,800 --> 00:00:15,280 Speaker 2: to you by Citizens, the official Bank of the Giants. 6 00:00:15,480 --> 00:00:17,840 Speaker 2: I am John Schmult, joined by Matt Sittak. We are 7 00:00:17,880 --> 00:00:22,599 Speaker 2: reacting to Hard Knocks Episode four, which aired last night 8 00:00:22,680 --> 00:00:25,800 Speaker 2: on HBO. A great watch, Matt, and it's funny. 9 00:00:26,360 --> 00:00:29,920 Speaker 1: We know what happens here yet is Joe Shane's on 10 00:00:30,040 --> 00:00:30,800 Speaker 1: the phone. 11 00:00:30,560 --> 00:00:33,360 Speaker 2: Talking to guys and sitting in there with ownership and 12 00:00:33,520 --> 00:00:34,720 Speaker 2: seeing how everything's. 13 00:00:34,320 --> 00:00:34,880 Speaker 1: Gonna go down. 14 00:00:34,960 --> 00:00:37,920 Speaker 2: I am literally like my legs bobbing up and down, 15 00:00:37,920 --> 00:00:40,960 Speaker 2: and I'm shaking, and I'm tense, just trying to put 16 00:00:41,000 --> 00:00:44,519 Speaker 2: myself in Joe Shane's shoes on draft day, trying to 17 00:00:44,560 --> 00:00:45,680 Speaker 2: finalize exactly what. 18 00:00:45,680 --> 00:00:47,920 Speaker 1: The team is gonna do. Yeah, I mean we know 19 00:00:49,240 --> 00:00:52,519 Speaker 1: now a couple months later, as you said, exactly what happened. 20 00:00:52,560 --> 00:00:55,640 Speaker 1: But I guess we didn't really know how many different 21 00:00:56,080 --> 00:00:58,960 Speaker 1: possibilities there were what could have gone down that first 22 00:00:59,040 --> 00:01:01,880 Speaker 1: night of the draft. I mean we've seen the reports 23 00:01:02,040 --> 00:01:06,479 Speaker 1: obviously going back to today one about Giants potential interest 24 00:01:06,520 --> 00:01:09,920 Speaker 1: in you know, moving up, moving down, sticking pat. But 25 00:01:10,240 --> 00:01:12,600 Speaker 1: it wasn't until we saw this episode last night that 26 00:01:12,680 --> 00:01:16,000 Speaker 1: we really got an inside look at exactly how those 27 00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:19,559 Speaker 1: conversations went down. Who we had those conversations with. I mean, 28 00:01:19,800 --> 00:01:23,520 Speaker 1: the Giants going into the draft day had plans to 29 00:01:23,720 --> 00:01:27,360 Speaker 1: potentially move up, plans to stay at six, and plans 30 00:01:27,400 --> 00:01:29,679 Speaker 1: to move down. And it was just really cool to 31 00:01:29,680 --> 00:01:32,560 Speaker 1: see Joe kind of juggling all of these balls at once, 32 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:35,560 Speaker 1: preparing for, you know, whatever could happen in the first 33 00:01:35,560 --> 00:01:36,399 Speaker 1: five picks of the draft. 34 00:01:36,440 --> 00:01:38,360 Speaker 2: And I'm not sure how much it was edited together 35 00:01:38,440 --> 00:01:40,000 Speaker 2: to make it all seem like it was happening on 36 00:01:40,040 --> 00:01:40,640 Speaker 2: the last. 37 00:01:40,440 --> 00:01:41,200 Speaker 1: Day, But. 38 00:01:42,720 --> 00:01:44,600 Speaker 2: The fact that a lot of that stuff like day 39 00:01:44,640 --> 00:01:47,160 Speaker 2: of the draft and they're still finalizing it tells you that, 40 00:01:47,360 --> 00:01:49,560 Speaker 2: you know, I think they had their plan, their strategy 41 00:01:49,560 --> 00:01:51,400 Speaker 2: in place, but they were getting the particulars in place 42 00:01:51,400 --> 00:01:54,320 Speaker 2: the final day. How much you really use every second 43 00:01:54,480 --> 00:01:56,280 Speaker 2: leading up to draft night to make sure you have 44 00:01:56,360 --> 00:01:57,040 Speaker 2: all your ducks. 45 00:01:56,840 --> 00:01:58,919 Speaker 1: In a row. Yeah, I mean we saw that scene 46 00:01:58,960 --> 00:02:01,200 Speaker 1: with you know, Joe and his family and he kind 47 00:02:01,240 --> 00:02:04,000 Speaker 1: of kicked him out. Was it like one twenty a 48 00:02:04,080 --> 00:02:07,440 Speaker 1: solid six and a half hours because you gotta go. 49 00:02:08,520 --> 00:02:11,720 Speaker 1: That's pretty much what he was not wasting any time. 50 00:02:11,800 --> 00:02:13,720 Speaker 1: He was getting all of his ducks in a row, 51 00:02:13,800 --> 00:02:16,520 Speaker 1: prepared for every possible scenario, which is what you want 52 00:02:16,560 --> 00:02:17,560 Speaker 1: to see your GM doing. 53 00:02:17,639 --> 00:02:20,200 Speaker 2: Absolutely all right, So let's start with the episode started 54 00:02:20,480 --> 00:02:22,880 Speaker 2: the quarterback situation, will go through that, then we'll kind 55 00:02:22,880 --> 00:02:24,640 Speaker 2: of go through everything else you saw in the episode, 56 00:02:24,880 --> 00:02:27,640 Speaker 2: because it started with Joe Shane having a conversation with 57 00:02:27,720 --> 00:02:30,080 Speaker 2: Chris Mara. My the way I kind of took it 58 00:02:30,120 --> 00:02:31,880 Speaker 2: is that it seemed like he was describing the Chris 59 00:02:31,880 --> 00:02:34,360 Speaker 2: how he was gonna talk to Daniel about the draft 60 00:02:34,400 --> 00:02:37,560 Speaker 2: in the quarterback situation, and basically he said, and this 61 00:02:37,600 --> 00:02:40,440 Speaker 2: is how you can have two things being true at 62 00:02:40,440 --> 00:02:42,639 Speaker 2: the same time, and how there is nuance to the 63 00:02:42,680 --> 00:02:46,000 Speaker 2: world of football and the NFL and the Giants where look, 64 00:02:47,120 --> 00:02:49,919 Speaker 2: they think Daniel Jones can be a good NFL quarterback. 65 00:02:49,960 --> 00:02:51,960 Speaker 2: They believe in Daniel, they paid him the money for 66 00:02:52,000 --> 00:02:54,120 Speaker 2: a reason. But at the same time, he's had a 67 00:02:54,120 --> 00:02:57,040 Speaker 2: lot of injuries going back to twenty twenty one, and 68 00:02:57,120 --> 00:02:59,200 Speaker 2: you have to protect yourself. And at the same time, 69 00:02:59,560 --> 00:03:02,440 Speaker 2: if you have chance to go up there and grab 70 00:03:02,480 --> 00:03:05,360 Speaker 2: a quarterback, you think can be a superstar and you 71 00:03:05,400 --> 00:03:10,040 Speaker 2: will have, you know, a conviction on that player. You 72 00:03:10,040 --> 00:03:12,000 Speaker 2: don't want to pick in the top six very often. 73 00:03:12,280 --> 00:03:14,280 Speaker 2: You want As Brandon Brown said, I thought he made 74 00:03:14,520 --> 00:03:18,239 Speaker 2: a great point, maximize your value when you're picking that 75 00:03:18,320 --> 00:03:18,959 Speaker 2: high in the draft. 76 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:19,960 Speaker 1: That's what you're trying to do. 77 00:03:20,480 --> 00:03:22,280 Speaker 2: So if you can go and you can get that 78 00:03:22,320 --> 00:03:24,840 Speaker 2: guy that you believe in, great Because of Daniel's injury history, 79 00:03:24,960 --> 00:03:26,560 Speaker 2: it doesn't mean you think he's a bad quarterback. It 80 00:03:26,600 --> 00:03:29,240 Speaker 2: doesn't mean you don't think he can succeed. But that's 81 00:03:29,240 --> 00:03:31,440 Speaker 2: how the Giants were approaching this draft process at the 82 00:03:31,480 --> 00:03:32,280 Speaker 2: quarterback position. 83 00:03:32,520 --> 00:03:34,840 Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean we hear all the time for years. 84 00:03:34,920 --> 00:03:39,320 Speaker 1: You know, both players, front office, coaches, they talk all 85 00:03:39,360 --> 00:03:41,960 Speaker 1: the time. This is a business and Joe Shane has 86 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:44,440 Speaker 1: to do what's best for the interests of the New 87 00:03:44,520 --> 00:03:48,360 Speaker 1: York Giants. And so we see the you know, the 88 00:03:48,400 --> 00:03:52,160 Speaker 1: negotiations later in the episode that Joe had trying to 89 00:03:52,200 --> 00:03:55,600 Speaker 1: move up potentially for a quarterback. And the thing that 90 00:03:55,600 --> 00:03:57,920 Speaker 1: stuck out with me just in that beginning scene with 91 00:03:58,160 --> 00:04:01,840 Speaker 1: Joe talking to Chris mara is that that he clear 92 00:04:01,920 --> 00:04:04,520 Speaker 1: straight up says that like one of the biggest things 93 00:04:04,520 --> 00:04:08,600 Speaker 1: for him is wanting to have open communication with Daniel Jones. 94 00:04:08,920 --> 00:04:11,920 Speaker 1: He does not want Daniel Jones to be, you know, shocked, 95 00:04:11,960 --> 00:04:14,360 Speaker 1: surprised that the Giants pull off a trade the day 96 00:04:14,480 --> 00:04:16,680 Speaker 1: the night of the draft and moving up to take 97 00:04:17,440 --> 00:04:17,880 Speaker 1: Why is. 98 00:04:17,880 --> 00:04:22,719 Speaker 2: Drake May in the cafeteria And you know that might 99 00:04:22,760 --> 00:04:25,440 Speaker 2: seem like, you know, a somewhat minor thing, but I 100 00:04:25,480 --> 00:04:28,800 Speaker 2: feel like every year we see some veteran quarterback in 101 00:04:28,800 --> 00:04:32,200 Speaker 2: the league get upset because his team went and drafted 102 00:04:32,200 --> 00:04:34,840 Speaker 2: a quarterback without any sort of heads up. I mean, 103 00:04:35,120 --> 00:04:38,520 Speaker 2: the Atlanta Falcons went signed Kirk Cousins, did this big 104 00:04:38,560 --> 00:04:43,240 Speaker 2: deal in free agency, and then surprised everyone, including Kirk Cousins, 105 00:04:43,520 --> 00:04:46,000 Speaker 2: by taking Michael Pennox at number eight. So it was 106 00:04:46,160 --> 00:04:48,520 Speaker 2: very clear that Joe did not want any sort of 107 00:04:48,560 --> 00:04:51,039 Speaker 2: situation like that to happen. He was going to be 108 00:04:51,480 --> 00:04:55,360 Speaker 2: open and honest with Daniel about any possible trade. And 109 00:04:55,400 --> 00:04:57,520 Speaker 2: that's exactly what we saw in that in that conversation 110 00:04:57,640 --> 00:04:58,880 Speaker 2: that Joe had with Chris Marra. 111 00:04:59,120 --> 00:04:59,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, and then they went. 112 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:04,280 Speaker 2: About the process of evaluating these quarterbacks and figuring out 113 00:05:04,279 --> 00:05:06,560 Speaker 2: which guys they would be willing to move up for. 114 00:05:06,680 --> 00:05:10,159 Speaker 2: Because as they evaluated the position. They figured out pretty 115 00:05:10,160 --> 00:05:13,040 Speaker 2: early on if they want to go get either Caleb Williams, 116 00:05:13,080 --> 00:05:15,320 Speaker 2: who got mentioned briefly, but then everyone knew the Bears 117 00:05:15,320 --> 00:05:16,880 Speaker 2: were take him, so you can just push him aside. 118 00:05:16,960 --> 00:05:17,120 Speaker 1: Yep. 119 00:05:17,839 --> 00:05:20,760 Speaker 2: Then of course you have Drake May who they didn't 120 00:05:20,800 --> 00:05:22,760 Speaker 2: know about, and Jaden Daniels, who they didn't know about. 121 00:05:22,800 --> 00:05:25,320 Speaker 2: Eventually they figured out Washington was gonna pick Daniels at 122 00:05:25,320 --> 00:05:27,440 Speaker 2: two and they were not gonna make a trade with 123 00:05:27,480 --> 00:05:30,200 Speaker 2: the team in the division, and they were evaluating all 124 00:05:30,200 --> 00:05:30,719 Speaker 2: these players. 125 00:05:30,760 --> 00:05:32,520 Speaker 1: They brought him in. They went to all the pro days, 126 00:05:32,520 --> 00:05:33,480 Speaker 1: they had conversations. 127 00:05:33,520 --> 00:05:36,960 Speaker 2: After The conversation that Dable had with Jaden Daniels was 128 00:05:37,080 --> 00:05:38,560 Speaker 2: very interesting. On the first thing, he asked them, what 129 00:05:38,600 --> 00:05:40,680 Speaker 2: would you want to be here? Like, no, not, of 130 00:05:40,720 --> 00:05:42,160 Speaker 2: course I would have played for that. I would play 131 00:05:42,160 --> 00:05:43,680 Speaker 2: for anything. Like do you really want to be the 132 00:05:43,720 --> 00:05:46,359 Speaker 2: quarterback for the Giants? And he was, yes, of course 133 00:05:46,400 --> 00:05:48,840 Speaker 2: I do. And just the conversations you get him in 134 00:05:48,839 --> 00:05:51,640 Speaker 2: a room. You saw them practicing the cadence and everything, 135 00:05:51,720 --> 00:05:54,640 Speaker 2: and the quarterbacks talking about how you you know, adjusted 136 00:05:54,680 --> 00:05:57,200 Speaker 2: the line of scrimmage to stuff. And I just thought 137 00:05:57,360 --> 00:05:59,200 Speaker 2: they really went in depth on all these guys to 138 00:05:59,200 --> 00:06:01,880 Speaker 2: figure out who would fit, and they eventually figured out 139 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:04,880 Speaker 2: if they wanted to get one of these guys that 140 00:06:04,920 --> 00:06:06,880 Speaker 2: they really focus on in the two quarterbacks they seem 141 00:06:06,920 --> 00:06:08,839 Speaker 2: to really focus on, were in this episode where Drake 142 00:06:08,880 --> 00:06:11,040 Speaker 2: May and Jayden Daniels, you were gonna have to move 143 00:06:11,120 --> 00:06:12,000 Speaker 2: up to three to get him. 144 00:06:12,440 --> 00:06:14,159 Speaker 1: And eventually what it came down. 145 00:06:14,080 --> 00:06:15,719 Speaker 2: To, which is what we talked about on Big Blue 146 00:06:15,760 --> 00:06:18,520 Speaker 2: Kickoff Live during the draft process, why neither one of 147 00:06:18,560 --> 00:06:21,839 Speaker 2: us believe New England would ever move You didn't even 148 00:06:21,920 --> 00:06:23,640 Speaker 2: get the idea that if the Giants came with the 149 00:06:23,680 --> 00:06:26,400 Speaker 2: Godfather off or that the Patriots, we're gonna move the pick. 150 00:06:26,480 --> 00:06:26,560 Speaker 1: No. 151 00:06:26,680 --> 00:06:29,160 Speaker 2: They basically said, look, we're in a situation where we 152 00:06:29,240 --> 00:06:32,760 Speaker 2: need a quarterback. We're gonna pick the quarterback. And frankly, 153 00:06:32,760 --> 00:06:35,039 Speaker 2: if I'm the Patriots, that's what I would have done too. 154 00:06:35,080 --> 00:06:36,760 Speaker 2: If I'm Washington, that's what I would have done too. 155 00:06:36,880 --> 00:06:39,000 Speaker 2: Is we talked about, you know, on our other shows 156 00:06:39,080 --> 00:06:41,440 Speaker 2: leading up to the draft, So as much as the 157 00:06:41,480 --> 00:06:43,479 Speaker 2: Giants were willing to move up, and they were not 158 00:06:43,600 --> 00:06:45,720 Speaker 2: going to be willing to give a Godfather off or 159 00:06:45,720 --> 00:06:47,640 Speaker 2: they were going willing to give they kept saying it 160 00:06:47,720 --> 00:06:49,760 Speaker 2: was gonna start with next year's one and. 161 00:06:49,720 --> 00:06:51,479 Speaker 1: Then what is it plus that? 162 00:06:51,640 --> 00:06:54,120 Speaker 2: Right, And they were willing to make a deal like 163 00:06:54,200 --> 00:06:56,320 Speaker 2: that because they have conviction on the player. 164 00:06:56,880 --> 00:07:01,360 Speaker 1: But that trade really never was really, no, it wasn't. 165 00:07:01,400 --> 00:07:05,240 Speaker 1: I mean, as everyone, every football fan knows, the quarterback 166 00:07:05,279 --> 00:07:07,800 Speaker 1: position is the most important position on the field in 167 00:07:07,839 --> 00:07:10,960 Speaker 1: all sports. Maybe but yeah, probably in all sports. It's 168 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:14,280 Speaker 1: the guy that touches the ball every single play. You 169 00:07:14,280 --> 00:07:16,880 Speaker 1: don't really have a situation like that in any other 170 00:07:16,920 --> 00:07:20,480 Speaker 1: sport really, and especially not in football. But yet, in 171 00:07:20,520 --> 00:07:23,920 Speaker 1: that conversation that Joe had with Elliott Wolf and the Patriots, 172 00:07:24,720 --> 00:07:27,880 Speaker 1: Elliott Wolf literally says at one point, you know, if 173 00:07:27,920 --> 00:07:30,600 Speaker 1: we had a quarterback already, this would be a very 174 00:07:30,600 --> 00:07:33,120 Speaker 1: different conversation. We would be calling in the trade to 175 00:07:33,120 --> 00:07:35,640 Speaker 1: the league right now if we already had our quarterback 176 00:07:35,680 --> 00:07:39,280 Speaker 1: situation set. But we don't. And so he made it 177 00:07:39,360 --> 00:07:42,360 Speaker 1: very clear, you know, doesn't really matter what you offer, 178 00:07:43,080 --> 00:07:45,160 Speaker 1: there's not really much of a chance that we're gonna, 179 00:07:45,320 --> 00:07:48,080 Speaker 1: you know, move away from this trade. Joe even brought up, 180 00:07:48,120 --> 00:07:50,440 Speaker 1: you know, he said, is this gonna have to be 181 00:07:50,520 --> 00:07:54,160 Speaker 1: like a Ricky Williams type trade package, which is one 182 00:07:54,200 --> 00:07:57,440 Speaker 1: of the biggest trade packages anyone any team has ever 183 00:07:57,480 --> 00:07:59,960 Speaker 1: given up to move up. That was for the number 184 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:02,440 Speaker 1: one pick in the draft. I believe Ricky Williams went yeah, 185 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:05,640 Speaker 1: second overall. I think yeah, I think the quarterback went 186 00:08:05,680 --> 00:08:07,520 Speaker 1: first overall. You know, but that really was what you 187 00:08:07,520 --> 00:08:10,960 Speaker 1: would consider a godfather offer. They gave up a lot 188 00:08:11,040 --> 00:08:15,080 Speaker 1: for that trade, and is clear that, you know, even 189 00:08:15,160 --> 00:08:18,120 Speaker 1: that sort of offer probably wasn't going to move the 190 00:08:18,120 --> 00:08:19,080 Speaker 1: needle for the Patriots. 191 00:08:19,120 --> 00:08:21,840 Speaker 2: They were pretty set. I mean where they are in 192 00:08:21,880 --> 00:08:24,480 Speaker 2: their rebuild. They're at the very beginning. You know, they 193 00:08:24,520 --> 00:08:27,840 Speaker 2: have a new coach, just moved on from Bill Belichick 194 00:08:27,960 --> 00:08:31,360 Speaker 2: in that long era of success in the Patriots franchise, 195 00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:35,600 Speaker 2: and they're starting over, and what better way to do 196 00:08:35,679 --> 00:08:38,520 Speaker 2: that than with a young rookie quarterback that you have 197 00:08:38,720 --> 00:08:41,600 Speaker 2: conviction about, which it was very clear that they felt 198 00:08:41,640 --> 00:08:44,280 Speaker 2: that way about Drake May because you didn't get any 199 00:08:44,360 --> 00:08:47,000 Speaker 2: sense that they would be willing to, you know, potentially 200 00:08:47,000 --> 00:08:49,200 Speaker 2: move down to six to look at that next tier 201 00:08:49,200 --> 00:08:54,200 Speaker 2: of quarterbacks. The JJ McCarthy, Michael Pennex, bo Nicks was 202 00:08:54,240 --> 00:08:56,400 Speaker 2: pretty clear that they had no interest in those guys, 203 00:08:56,800 --> 00:08:59,040 Speaker 2: which shows that they were ready to start their rebuild 204 00:08:59,080 --> 00:08:59,760 Speaker 2: with Drake May. 205 00:08:59,840 --> 00:09:03,479 Speaker 1: And and so you know, going back to draft. 206 00:09:03,240 --> 00:09:06,400 Speaker 2: Day, Williams was the fifth pick. By the way, I 207 00:09:06,440 --> 00:09:08,480 Speaker 2: did not remember that at all. It was Tim Couch 208 00:09:08,559 --> 00:09:12,320 Speaker 2: I was right about that, Donovan McNabb, Achille Smith, Edw 209 00:09:12,400 --> 00:09:13,960 Speaker 2: I remember Edwin and James did get picked at forgi 210 00:09:13,960 --> 00:09:15,800 Speaker 2: Wlliams in that draft, and then freaking Williams was fifth. 211 00:09:15,880 --> 00:09:19,880 Speaker 1: Sorry. Wow, there's a lot to move up to number five. Yes, detour, 212 00:09:21,400 --> 00:09:22,520 Speaker 1: you're ready for a change. 213 00:09:22,679 --> 00:09:25,480 Speaker 3: Pay day comes early with citizens, so go to that retreat. 214 00:09:26,320 --> 00:09:29,640 Speaker 3: Knew you moves to the country. Now you're raising goats 215 00:09:29,800 --> 00:09:32,800 Speaker 3: and launching a lifestyle brand. Are you ready for all 216 00:09:32,840 --> 00:09:33,560 Speaker 3: that life brings? 217 00:09:36,400 --> 00:09:38,439 Speaker 1: Uh? But just going back to like, you know, our 218 00:09:38,559 --> 00:09:40,600 Speaker 1: vantage point of draft night, you know, there was all 219 00:09:40,679 --> 00:09:43,560 Speaker 1: this buzz leading up to the very start of the 220 00:09:43,559 --> 00:09:46,880 Speaker 1: first round that the Giants were aggressively trying to move 221 00:09:46,960 --> 00:09:50,960 Speaker 1: up with New England for Drake May. And after watching 222 00:09:50,960 --> 00:09:53,839 Speaker 1: this episode is pretty clear about six hours before the 223 00:09:53,920 --> 00:09:57,560 Speaker 1: draft started, Josh knew that was not an option, That 224 00:09:58,240 --> 00:10:01,160 Speaker 1: moving up to three was not gonna have happened, which 225 00:10:01,200 --> 00:10:03,960 Speaker 1: means they were gonna miss out on those top three quarterbacks. 226 00:10:04,440 --> 00:10:07,160 Speaker 1: And that pretty much took quarterback out of the equation 227 00:10:07,240 --> 00:10:07,840 Speaker 1: for the Giants. 228 00:10:07,920 --> 00:10:09,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think they said, if you can't get 229 00:10:09,440 --> 00:10:11,319 Speaker 2: a quarterback, you want to give Daniel the best weapon 230 00:10:11,320 --> 00:10:13,000 Speaker 2: you can to help him along. A couple other things 231 00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:16,400 Speaker 2: about the trade situation that thought was interesting. First, I 232 00:10:16,400 --> 00:10:20,600 Speaker 2: thought the comparisons to the Eli Manning trade twenty years ago, 233 00:10:20,840 --> 00:10:22,959 Speaker 2: and I'm just getting John Maras taken there. He goes, look, 234 00:10:23,000 --> 00:10:25,400 Speaker 2: I had what was the phrase he used talking about 235 00:10:25,400 --> 00:10:26,720 Speaker 2: potentially trading up for quarterback. 236 00:10:26,760 --> 00:10:27,760 Speaker 1: He's gonna say heartburn, but. 237 00:10:27,760 --> 00:10:31,679 Speaker 2: It was something like that heart putation, palpatations, thank you, 238 00:10:32,000 --> 00:10:32,880 Speaker 2: heart palpitations. 239 00:10:32,880 --> 00:10:34,760 Speaker 1: And he said it was the same lifelt twenty. 240 00:10:34,559 --> 00:10:36,800 Speaker 2: Years ago for the Eli Manning trade talking about whether 241 00:10:36,880 --> 00:10:38,800 Speaker 2: or not you would make this trade this year. But 242 00:10:38,880 --> 00:10:41,040 Speaker 2: he said, look, much like with Earny of Coursi twenty 243 00:10:41,120 --> 00:10:44,679 Speaker 2: years ago, if you guys have the conviction on a quarterback. 244 00:10:44,520 --> 00:10:45,560 Speaker 1: Go make the trade. 245 00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:51,199 Speaker 2: But trading all that draft capital away is that should 246 00:10:51,280 --> 00:10:52,840 Speaker 2: give you heart palputations. It will give me heart pa 247 00:10:53,000 --> 00:10:56,120 Speaker 2: palpitations too, because if you're going all in on one 248 00:10:56,160 --> 00:10:58,360 Speaker 2: player and that player is gonna make your break the organization, 249 00:10:58,400 --> 00:11:00,520 Speaker 2: and it's not just you're picking Hm where you're picking right, 250 00:11:00,559 --> 00:11:03,800 Speaker 2: You're using multiple assets to put together to pick that guy. 251 00:11:03,800 --> 00:11:05,000 Speaker 1: I would have harpalpitations. 252 00:11:05,000 --> 00:11:07,760 Speaker 2: But I think the biggest takeaway is that, look, if 253 00:11:07,800 --> 00:11:10,600 Speaker 2: you guys believe in him, I trust you as football 254 00:11:10,600 --> 00:11:12,120 Speaker 2: evaluators to go make that trade. 255 00:11:12,160 --> 00:11:13,600 Speaker 1: Go make that trade. If you want to make it, 256 00:11:13,880 --> 00:11:14,520 Speaker 1: I'll back you. 257 00:11:15,040 --> 00:11:18,480 Speaker 2: But just how it's so similar and how getting to 258 00:11:18,600 --> 00:11:20,920 Speaker 2: that conclusion is really tough. But we saw how they 259 00:11:20,960 --> 00:11:22,640 Speaker 2: went back and forth in the draft room talking to 260 00:11:22,679 --> 00:11:26,120 Speaker 2: Brian Dable, talking to all the scouts in the room 261 00:11:26,160 --> 00:11:28,880 Speaker 2: and the coaches and stuff like that, getting their takes 262 00:11:28,880 --> 00:11:30,960 Speaker 2: in terms of what quarterbacks would you be willing to 263 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:32,920 Speaker 2: move up forward from based on what we saw in 264 00:11:32,960 --> 00:11:36,640 Speaker 2: the episode, it would be Jaden Daniels or Drake May right, Yeah, 265 00:11:36,720 --> 00:11:41,560 Speaker 2: And just how tough of a decision is. Joshin even said, Look, 266 00:11:41,559 --> 00:11:44,400 Speaker 2: this has been occupying my mind and it's been the 267 00:11:44,400 --> 00:11:47,640 Speaker 2: thing that's been in me for the past like two weeks. 268 00:11:47,800 --> 00:11:49,400 Speaker 2: I just want Ellie Wolf to tell me is this 269 00:11:49,440 --> 00:11:52,439 Speaker 2: even realistic? Because I'm tired of thinking about it. That's 270 00:11:52,520 --> 00:11:55,560 Speaker 2: how big a move like that is. And I think 271 00:11:55,920 --> 00:11:57,760 Speaker 2: films and the reason I got kind of so like 272 00:11:57,800 --> 00:12:01,760 Speaker 2: in tense watching it, I thought they really conveyed the 273 00:12:01,960 --> 00:12:05,760 Speaker 2: gravity of a move like that and how tough it 274 00:12:05,880 --> 00:12:10,120 Speaker 2: is to come to that decision to move all those 275 00:12:10,200 --> 00:12:13,520 Speaker 2: picks for one player the way the Giants did for 276 00:12:13,559 --> 00:12:16,120 Speaker 2: Eli Manning back in the day. I never seen that 277 00:12:16,240 --> 00:12:18,439 Speaker 2: throw a Ben Roethlisberger line. By the way, we were 278 00:12:18,440 --> 00:12:20,760 Speaker 2: sitting there like, wow, they gave him up for him, 279 00:12:20,840 --> 00:12:23,200 Speaker 2: didn't day And Roethlisberger was their second choice that year, 280 00:12:23,200 --> 00:12:24,280 Speaker 2: by the way, they couldn't move for Eli. 281 00:12:24,280 --> 00:12:26,120 Speaker 1: They were going to take Roethlisberger. That's been kind of 282 00:12:26,120 --> 00:12:27,600 Speaker 1: talked about a lot, but I. 283 00:12:27,679 --> 00:12:29,199 Speaker 2: Just thought they did a really good job of showing 284 00:12:29,280 --> 00:12:31,600 Speaker 2: how ownership everyone involved. 285 00:12:31,880 --> 00:12:33,559 Speaker 1: These are the guys that are willing to target, go 286 00:12:33,679 --> 00:12:36,640 Speaker 1: get it done. But you know, even just going through 287 00:12:36,720 --> 00:12:38,080 Speaker 1: and Brian Dable going through all the. 288 00:12:38,160 --> 00:12:41,360 Speaker 2: Quarterbacks the last ten years, right fail fail fail, and 289 00:12:41,480 --> 00:12:43,000 Speaker 2: they had the guys in blue that were all on 290 00:12:43,080 --> 00:12:44,679 Speaker 2: the same team and read that warrant and it was 291 00:12:44,880 --> 00:12:46,400 Speaker 2: I didn't count them, but I think it was fifty 292 00:12:46,400 --> 00:12:48,400 Speaker 2: to fifty, maybe even a little worse than that in 293 00:12:48,559 --> 00:12:50,920 Speaker 2: terms of guys that are hit. Joshin did point out 294 00:12:50,920 --> 00:12:52,439 Speaker 2: that I thought was telling look, if you're picking the 295 00:12:52,520 --> 00:12:54,400 Speaker 2: top three r hit rate does go up, and if 296 00:12:54,440 --> 00:12:57,319 Speaker 2: you do look at it, absolutely true. Top three quarterbacks 297 00:12:57,480 --> 00:13:00,320 Speaker 2: versus non top three quarterbacks in the first round very 298 00:13:00,400 --> 00:13:04,840 Speaker 2: different results generally speaking. So I just thought they really 299 00:13:05,080 --> 00:13:07,959 Speaker 2: showed the gravity of a move if you're going to 300 00:13:08,040 --> 00:13:09,839 Speaker 2: go up there and get a quarterback, and how much 301 00:13:09,920 --> 00:13:12,880 Speaker 2: it means to organization, how much the Giants understood what 302 00:13:13,080 --> 00:13:13,880 Speaker 2: a big move. 303 00:13:13,760 --> 00:13:15,800 Speaker 1: That would have been. Yeah, I mean, I thought one 304 00:13:15,840 --> 00:13:18,400 Speaker 1: of the most interesting parts of the whole episode was 305 00:13:19,000 --> 00:13:21,760 Speaker 1: you just mentioned it. When John Marra walked into Brandon 306 00:13:21,800 --> 00:13:25,160 Speaker 1: Brown's office and Brandon Brown looks at mister Marra and 307 00:13:25,200 --> 00:13:28,640 Speaker 1: literally says, what was it twenty years ago that gave 308 00:13:28,760 --> 00:13:32,800 Speaker 1: you and gave you know, the ownership, the confidence in 309 00:13:32,960 --> 00:13:35,160 Speaker 1: letting Ernie. Of course he make that trade for Eli 310 00:13:35,280 --> 00:13:40,120 Speaker 1: Manning's And John Mayer said, you know, Ernie had conviction. 311 00:13:40,360 --> 00:13:43,040 Speaker 1: He knew that that was the quarterback that was going 312 00:13:43,080 --> 00:13:45,960 Speaker 1: to change the fortune for this franchise. And there were 313 00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:46,880 Speaker 1: two things he said. 314 00:13:46,960 --> 00:13:49,400 Speaker 2: He did well in college without a good supporting cast 315 00:13:49,440 --> 00:13:51,600 Speaker 2: around him, which, by the way, immediately made me think 316 00:13:51,640 --> 00:13:54,640 Speaker 2: of Drake May. Immediately made me think of Drake May 317 00:13:54,880 --> 00:13:57,079 Speaker 2: the second part versus roethlis and then he said, what 318 00:13:57,160 --> 00:13:58,640 Speaker 2: was the difference Betwen Eli Roethlisberger? 319 00:13:58,760 --> 00:14:05,520 Speaker 1: Right, he said Roethlisberger was a smaller conference Miami. But yeah, 320 00:14:05,559 --> 00:14:06,240 Speaker 1: but Eli put in. 321 00:14:06,200 --> 00:14:10,120 Speaker 2: The sec right, And then my mind automatically said Jenden Daniels, Right, 322 00:14:10,200 --> 00:14:11,880 Speaker 2: So you kind of saw how that played into the 323 00:14:11,920 --> 00:14:13,160 Speaker 2: evaluation of the current class. 324 00:14:13,400 --> 00:14:16,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure. And you know, I also you know 325 00:14:16,480 --> 00:14:19,120 Speaker 1: this clip we've seen before, but right after that conversation, 326 00:14:19,680 --> 00:14:21,960 Speaker 1: they showed an old interview. I think it's an old 327 00:14:22,000 --> 00:14:24,960 Speaker 1: interview of Ernie of Corsi. I think I was trying 328 00:14:24,960 --> 00:14:27,520 Speaker 1: to figure that out too, talking about this, you know, 329 00:14:27,600 --> 00:14:30,840 Speaker 1: the same situation, the trade and Ernie of COURSI literally said, 330 00:14:31,000 --> 00:14:32,840 Speaker 1: either I was going to get it right and it 331 00:14:32,960 --> 00:14:34,760 Speaker 1: was going to be great, or I was gonna get 332 00:14:34,800 --> 00:14:36,920 Speaker 1: wrong and then I'd be out of here anyway. 333 00:14:36,960 --> 00:14:39,440 Speaker 2: And Brandon Bean has said that before publicly, and that 334 00:14:39,520 --> 00:14:41,800 Speaker 2: too Joe Jane worked under in Buffalo. Yeah, I mean, 335 00:14:41,840 --> 00:14:44,560 Speaker 2: when you kind of go all in on a quarterback, 336 00:14:45,040 --> 00:14:48,600 Speaker 2: it kind of, you know, decides somewhat your fate as 337 00:14:48,640 --> 00:14:51,400 Speaker 2: the GM if you're moving up to trade, if you're 338 00:14:51,480 --> 00:14:54,200 Speaker 2: trading up and giving up a lot of your future 339 00:14:54,280 --> 00:14:55,680 Speaker 2: draft picks for a quarterback. 340 00:14:56,280 --> 00:14:59,280 Speaker 1: You better be right. It's it's tough to be right. 341 00:14:59,400 --> 00:15:03,400 Speaker 1: It's it's tough for a GM to overcome a big 342 00:15:03,560 --> 00:15:06,440 Speaker 1: miss like that. I mean, in recent memory. I you know, 343 00:15:07,200 --> 00:15:09,240 Speaker 1: the forty nine ers is one situation where that was 344 00:15:09,320 --> 00:15:12,120 Speaker 1: not the case. And the only reason I believe when 345 00:15:12,120 --> 00:15:14,320 Speaker 1: they moved up for Trey Lance. They gave up a 346 00:15:14,400 --> 00:15:16,280 Speaker 1: lot to move up for Trey Lance, and the Jets 347 00:15:16,360 --> 00:15:19,880 Speaker 1: current regime picked Zach Wilson. Correct, they did. Yes, that 348 00:15:20,400 --> 00:15:22,400 Speaker 1: was another one I think, right. 349 00:15:24,040 --> 00:15:24,520 Speaker 2: I believe. 350 00:15:24,680 --> 00:15:27,320 Speaker 1: Well, did they move up for Zach Wilson? Yeah, they did. 351 00:15:27,440 --> 00:15:29,880 Speaker 1: I don't even think. I don't remember what they get 352 00:15:29,920 --> 00:15:31,800 Speaker 1: traded for him, but yeah, I think they did. I'll 353 00:15:31,880 --> 00:15:36,040 Speaker 1: the double check that. Wow. But yeah, I'm sorry. 354 00:15:36,080 --> 00:15:38,480 Speaker 2: And then your point you were making, that's my bad. 355 00:15:38,680 --> 00:15:42,360 Speaker 2: You're right, It's it's hard to survive if they think so. 356 00:15:42,600 --> 00:15:44,800 Speaker 1: It's like the only situation that comes to the top 357 00:15:44,840 --> 00:15:48,440 Speaker 1: of mind that GM survived making such a you know, 358 00:15:49,080 --> 00:15:53,160 Speaker 1: I guess colossally bad trade was the forty nine ers 359 00:15:53,240 --> 00:15:56,080 Speaker 1: with Lynch, and that's only because they got lucky in 360 00:15:56,520 --> 00:15:59,880 Speaker 1: Rock Purty, the mister irrelevant of that draft ended up 361 00:15:59,880 --> 00:16:03,360 Speaker 1: being their franchise quarterback. And obviously, you look through the 362 00:16:03,480 --> 00:16:07,200 Speaker 1: history of the NFL draft, hitting on this last pick 363 00:16:07,240 --> 00:16:10,160 Speaker 1: in the NFL draft, a seventh round pick, a Day 364 00:16:10,280 --> 00:16:13,200 Speaker 1: three pick at the quarterback position, having that guy turn 365 00:16:13,280 --> 00:16:17,080 Speaker 1: into your franchise quarterback. That does not happen. It just 366 00:16:17,200 --> 00:16:19,840 Speaker 1: does not happen very often. You can think of, you know, 367 00:16:20,000 --> 00:16:25,080 Speaker 1: a handful of situations in the last thirty years of 368 00:16:25,160 --> 00:16:28,720 Speaker 1: that happening. Tom Brady, I guess Dak Prescott was early 369 00:16:28,800 --> 00:16:35,800 Speaker 1: Day three pick. Russell Wilson was Round three. Yes, So 370 00:16:36,080 --> 00:16:40,840 Speaker 1: it's it's really tough to overcome making a decision like 371 00:16:40,880 --> 00:16:44,120 Speaker 1: that and having a backfire on you. So I did 372 00:16:44,240 --> 00:16:47,720 Speaker 1: think it was, you know, kind of telling of mister 373 00:16:47,840 --> 00:16:51,160 Speaker 1: Merra to say, if you have conviction about a quarterback, 374 00:16:51,800 --> 00:16:54,480 Speaker 1: I support you, I'm all in. And you need to 375 00:16:54,520 --> 00:16:56,320 Speaker 1: hear that from ownership too. By the way, Yes, at 376 00:16:56,360 --> 00:16:57,080 Speaker 1: some point of course. 377 00:16:57,920 --> 00:16:59,680 Speaker 2: And the only other thing that kind of stood at 378 00:17:00,120 --> 00:17:03,840 Speaker 2: me about all these trade negotiations for a quarterback was 379 00:17:04,400 --> 00:17:07,880 Speaker 2: during that conversation between Joe Shane and Elliott Wolf. After 380 00:17:08,400 --> 00:17:12,040 Speaker 2: Elliott Wolf tells Joe, you know, it looks like we're 381 00:17:12,040 --> 00:17:13,640 Speaker 2: sticking we need to get our quarterback. 382 00:17:14,359 --> 00:17:16,879 Speaker 1: And he says to Joe, you know, you really have 383 00:17:17,040 --> 00:17:21,480 Speaker 1: had great communication with me over these last however many weeks. 384 00:17:21,520 --> 00:17:24,080 Speaker 1: It's been like, if anything, I've been the one that's 385 00:17:24,080 --> 00:17:27,240 Speaker 1: been bad communicating. But like I basically said, like, I 386 00:17:27,320 --> 00:17:30,679 Speaker 1: really commend you for how you've done communicating with us 387 00:17:30,760 --> 00:17:36,920 Speaker 1: about your interests, you know, potential trade packages, and that's 388 00:17:37,040 --> 00:17:40,240 Speaker 1: always just great to see. I mean, you want a 389 00:17:40,320 --> 00:17:42,800 Speaker 1: GM that's going to be able to negotiate with other 390 00:17:42,880 --> 00:17:45,359 Speaker 1: gms around the league and do it well and not 391 00:17:45,640 --> 00:17:48,360 Speaker 1: be a guy that's like, you know, hounding and opposing 392 00:17:48,480 --> 00:17:51,320 Speaker 1: GM or you know, getting under his skin in some way. 393 00:17:51,480 --> 00:17:54,600 Speaker 1: Like Elliot Wolf literally said like I'm sorry, we're not 394 00:17:54,720 --> 00:17:57,000 Speaker 1: doing this trade. We need to get our quarterback. But like, 395 00:17:57,440 --> 00:18:00,479 Speaker 1: thank you for you know, being so grade at these 396 00:18:00,560 --> 00:18:02,960 Speaker 1: negotiations the last few weeks. Sorr, if you're being distracted 397 00:18:03,160 --> 00:18:05,040 Speaker 1: dan Orlowski's on pat back. If he looks like he 398 00:18:05,119 --> 00:18:08,640 Speaker 1: just came off of a bender, he looks like he's 399 00:18:08,680 --> 00:18:10,600 Speaker 1: in rough shape right now, he's in a tank. It's 400 00:18:10,720 --> 00:18:11,200 Speaker 1: very funny. 401 00:18:11,400 --> 00:18:14,240 Speaker 2: Anyway, Sorry, football season is coming and so is the 402 00:18:14,280 --> 00:18:16,760 Speaker 2: next college semester. If you need funding, a Citizen Student 403 00:18:16,840 --> 00:18:18,800 Speaker 2: loan could help you pay for one hundred percent of 404 00:18:18,880 --> 00:18:21,360 Speaker 2: your school certified costs. Get your rat quoted at about 405 00:18:21,359 --> 00:18:24,879 Speaker 2: two minutes at citizens bank dot com slash pay for college. 406 00:18:25,160 --> 00:18:27,320 Speaker 2: One other thing about the trade back, and we'll get 407 00:18:27,359 --> 00:18:29,399 Speaker 2: into the trade discussions. We'll finish the trade decussion. Then 408 00:18:29,400 --> 00:18:30,320 Speaker 2: we'll get to the wide receivers. 409 00:18:30,400 --> 00:18:30,520 Speaker 1: Right. 410 00:18:30,920 --> 00:18:33,560 Speaker 2: You know they kind of set up on draft day, 411 00:18:33,760 --> 00:18:36,320 Speaker 2: you know, Okay, well, if we can't move up, we're 412 00:18:36,320 --> 00:18:38,680 Speaker 2: sticking here, Well, then how will we move back? And 413 00:18:38,720 --> 00:18:40,359 Speaker 2: I thought the one telling thing, at least related to 414 00:18:40,400 --> 00:18:43,320 Speaker 2: the quarterback question is that you didn't really hear them 415 00:18:43,440 --> 00:18:46,040 Speaker 2: mention as an option for them, either JJ mcclothy or 416 00:18:46,040 --> 00:18:46,720 Speaker 2: Michael Pennox. 417 00:18:47,080 --> 00:18:48,119 Speaker 1: So for the. 418 00:18:48,200 --> 00:18:51,160 Speaker 2: Giants even trading down into that nine to ten area, 419 00:18:51,200 --> 00:18:52,960 Speaker 2: and they didn't seem to be interested in moving much 420 00:18:52,960 --> 00:18:56,000 Speaker 2: further than that. Based though in the teaser for next 421 00:18:56,040 --> 00:18:57,840 Speaker 2: week there seemed to be an indication the Jets were 422 00:18:57,880 --> 00:19:00,240 Speaker 2: calling to maybe move down to eleven. So maybe this 423 00:19:00,320 --> 00:19:02,480 Speaker 2: will changed next week, but we never really heard that 424 00:19:02,600 --> 00:19:04,080 Speaker 2: any quarterbacks besides. 425 00:19:03,840 --> 00:19:06,760 Speaker 1: May Or mentioned they ended up moving down. 426 00:19:07,400 --> 00:19:09,800 Speaker 2: There were ten I'm sorry, right, So that seems to 427 00:19:09,880 --> 00:19:11,119 Speaker 2: be kind of where they were, but I thought that 428 00:19:11,280 --> 00:19:12,120 Speaker 2: was worth mentioning. 429 00:19:12,200 --> 00:19:14,920 Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean the only time we saw or heard 430 00:19:15,000 --> 00:19:17,760 Speaker 1: really JJ McCarthy was when he was in the building 431 00:19:17,840 --> 00:19:21,240 Speaker 1: for his visit meeting with you know, all the offensive staff, 432 00:19:21,280 --> 00:19:24,640 Speaker 1: which just going back to that for a second, those 433 00:19:24,680 --> 00:19:27,080 Speaker 1: were that scene was so cool, just with the different 434 00:19:27,160 --> 00:19:30,959 Speaker 1: quarterbacks in that room, with you know, Brian Dable, Mike Kafka, 435 00:19:31,080 --> 00:19:33,800 Speaker 1: Shake Tyranny, like all the offensive coaches that would have 436 00:19:33,880 --> 00:19:36,560 Speaker 1: any you know, would get their hands on the prospect 437 00:19:36,880 --> 00:19:39,439 Speaker 1: having all of them be in that room and watching 438 00:19:39,520 --> 00:19:42,119 Speaker 1: the quarterbacks go through as you mentioned before, all the 439 00:19:42,200 --> 00:19:45,720 Speaker 1: cadences and you know, all that stuff. That was just 440 00:19:46,040 --> 00:19:48,320 Speaker 1: so cool to see. That's the sort of stuff you 441 00:19:48,480 --> 00:19:51,600 Speaker 1: just you never get to see. We never see those 442 00:19:51,800 --> 00:19:55,359 Speaker 1: prospect visits, what actually goes down, the conversations, you know, 443 00:19:55,480 --> 00:19:58,119 Speaker 1: in the meeting rooms, what happens, and that I just 444 00:19:58,160 --> 00:19:59,480 Speaker 1: thought that that was such a cool scene. 445 00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:01,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought it was too. And by the way, 446 00:20:02,480 --> 00:20:04,680 Speaker 2: Joe Douglas did draft Zach Wilson. But and then I 447 00:20:04,920 --> 00:20:05,399 Speaker 2: have to look it up. 448 00:20:05,400 --> 00:20:07,560 Speaker 1: I remember this. Remember they they won like their last 449 00:20:07,600 --> 00:20:08,760 Speaker 1: game of the year, so they didn't. 450 00:20:08,520 --> 00:20:11,040 Speaker 2: Pick the first overall and they lost that on Trevor Lawrence, 451 00:20:11,040 --> 00:20:12,320 Speaker 2: so they did not have to trade up for Wilson. 452 00:20:12,400 --> 00:20:14,920 Speaker 1: He was just their pick at at second overall. 453 00:20:14,840 --> 00:20:18,440 Speaker 2: So with the quarterback game of failure, not being able 454 00:20:18,440 --> 00:20:20,600 Speaker 2: to move up and get a quarterback, very happy to 455 00:20:20,640 --> 00:20:23,479 Speaker 2: move forward with Daniel and then get a weapon for him. 456 00:20:23,560 --> 00:20:25,960 Speaker 2: And it was the same guys we talked about throughout 457 00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:26,679 Speaker 2: the draft process. 458 00:20:26,760 --> 00:20:29,119 Speaker 1: Not a surprise. They really did seem to have Elak 459 00:20:29,200 --> 00:20:33,120 Speaker 1: Neighbors and Marvin Harrison Junior on the top of their board. 460 00:20:33,160 --> 00:20:35,000 Speaker 2: They there was a little bit of a separation between 461 00:20:35,040 --> 00:20:38,439 Speaker 2: those two guys and then Doonsay and Brock Bowers, who 462 00:20:38,560 --> 00:20:40,960 Speaker 2: seemed to be you know, we talked about trading down. 463 00:20:40,960 --> 00:20:42,320 Speaker 2: Those are the two guys they would trying to get 464 00:20:42,359 --> 00:20:44,399 Speaker 2: if they would trade down. But they seem to have 465 00:20:44,480 --> 00:20:47,639 Speaker 2: Neighbors and Marvin Haffinston Junior as their top two guys 466 00:20:48,040 --> 00:20:49,800 Speaker 2: in terms of the non quarterbacks they would want to 467 00:20:49,800 --> 00:20:50,640 Speaker 2: target at number six. 468 00:20:50,920 --> 00:20:53,639 Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know, maybe this was just how they 469 00:20:53,760 --> 00:20:56,440 Speaker 1: ended up cutting the show, because obviously we know that 470 00:20:56,520 --> 00:20:59,080 Speaker 1: the Giants ended up taking the Leak Neighbors, But in 471 00:20:59,200 --> 00:21:02,639 Speaker 1: tonight's episode, they showed like going back to Malik's pro 472 00:21:02,800 --> 00:21:07,520 Speaker 1: day just how high, especially Brian dable table table. I mean, 473 00:21:07,600 --> 00:21:09,359 Speaker 1: it was clear and I think it was episode two 474 00:21:09,400 --> 00:21:11,960 Speaker 1: when they met at the Combine that Brian Dabele fell 475 00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:14,880 Speaker 1: in love with Thelak Neighbors. But if you weren't convinced, 476 00:21:15,320 --> 00:21:18,040 Speaker 1: last night's episode clearly showed it. You know, they're standing 477 00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:21,040 Speaker 1: at the sideline at LSU pro Day and Brian Dabele 478 00:21:21,080 --> 00:21:24,680 Speaker 1: turns to Joe Shane and says to him about Blak Neighbors. 479 00:21:24,960 --> 00:21:27,160 Speaker 1: That guy's a stud on tape. He's got a little 480 00:21:27,280 --> 00:21:29,640 Speaker 1: dog in him. And then you know, a little later 481 00:21:29,680 --> 00:21:32,440 Speaker 1: in the episode, Joe Shane's describing what it means to 482 00:21:32,560 --> 00:21:36,040 Speaker 1: have like that dog in you. But it was very 483 00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:40,360 Speaker 1: clear from the start that Malik Neighbors was at very 484 00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:43,280 Speaker 1: near the top, if not towards the top of the 485 00:21:43,359 --> 00:21:44,280 Speaker 1: Giants draft board. 486 00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:46,879 Speaker 2: They loved him, yeah, And they never said whether or 487 00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:50,080 Speaker 2: not the organization had Neighbors or Harrison ahead of each other. 488 00:21:50,160 --> 00:21:52,280 Speaker 2: They asked Mike grow the wide receiver coach. He said 489 00:21:52,320 --> 00:21:56,600 Speaker 2: he liked neighbors between three receivers. He chose Neighbors as 490 00:21:56,720 --> 00:21:59,320 Speaker 2: number one. We don't know how the organization had Harrison 491 00:21:59,560 --> 00:22:01,840 Speaker 2: like a bull shys were there. I don't think we 492 00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:03,840 Speaker 2: know for sure which guy they would have picked based 493 00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:05,639 Speaker 2: on what was it in the episode, but it frankly 494 00:22:05,680 --> 00:22:06,320 Speaker 2: could have been Neighbors. 495 00:22:06,359 --> 00:22:07,800 Speaker 1: It would not shock me at the Yeah, it would 496 00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:11,040 Speaker 1: not have shocked me either. I mean, Joe made it 497 00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:14,200 Speaker 1: very clear, you know, later in the episode, once the 498 00:22:14,280 --> 00:22:18,160 Speaker 1: Patriots trade was off the table going into the draft, 499 00:22:18,440 --> 00:22:23,560 Speaker 1: Joe directly said, if we're at six and Marvin Harrison 500 00:22:23,640 --> 00:22:25,040 Speaker 1: Junior or Molik Neighbors is on. 501 00:22:25,119 --> 00:22:26,760 Speaker 2: The board, we're not moving. 502 00:22:27,119 --> 00:22:30,359 Speaker 1: We're staying pat We're running up to the podium and 503 00:22:30,480 --> 00:22:33,760 Speaker 1: picking one of those two guys. And you know, as 504 00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:36,159 Speaker 1: you mentioned earlier in the episode, they said, if we 505 00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:39,440 Speaker 1: can't get a quarterback, we'll shift towards getting Daniel, the 506 00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:43,159 Speaker 1: best playmaker possible. And it's exactly what they did. 507 00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:46,440 Speaker 2: It was and that's exactly how it worked out. And 508 00:22:46,520 --> 00:22:49,560 Speaker 2: then you know, ta, both those guys were gone. And 509 00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:51,440 Speaker 2: I thought it was interesting. It was the same conversations 510 00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:53,719 Speaker 2: we were having here on our shows. Right, all right, well, 511 00:22:53,760 --> 00:22:55,760 Speaker 2: we're pretty sure the Cardinal is gonna take Harrison, and 512 00:22:55,760 --> 00:22:58,000 Speaker 2: if not Harrison, they'll take Neighbors. They'll pick a wide receiver, 513 00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:01,240 Speaker 2: and they thought the charges to pick an offensive lineman. 514 00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:04,639 Speaker 2: But even when Joe Shane brought in you know, mister Tisha, 515 00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:08,000 Speaker 2: mister Mahra, the two owners into that meeting draft day 516 00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:09,680 Speaker 2: to explain what was going on here, They're like, look, 517 00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:12,119 Speaker 2: but they do and John Matrack goes, but they need 518 00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:14,680 Speaker 2: a wide receiver though he goes, yeah, it's possible. And 519 00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:16,879 Speaker 2: that's when they talked about the scenarios. All right, well, 520 00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:19,479 Speaker 2: if Harrison and Neighbors are both gone, who it appeared 521 00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:20,960 Speaker 2: that they had a little bit of a tier above 522 00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:23,560 Speaker 2: the Romadunze and brock Bowers. 523 00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:27,360 Speaker 1: You know, where can we move down? Right, Bears in nine? 524 00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:29,440 Speaker 2: Is one possible trade that they mentioned, right, they would 525 00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:31,800 Speaker 2: get a three and a four for that to move. 526 00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:34,640 Speaker 1: Down to nine and then and give up the fifth 527 00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:36,760 Speaker 1: round pick. And you would give up the fifth round pick. 528 00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:40,399 Speaker 2: Frankly to me, I don't that's that's fair value, is 529 00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:43,360 Speaker 2: not overwhelming value. So and then they said they would 530 00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:45,280 Speaker 2: only make that trade if the Bears are moving up 531 00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:47,600 Speaker 2: to pick an offensive tackle, not if they were moving 532 00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:48,720 Speaker 2: up to pick a wide receiver. 533 00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:51,479 Speaker 1: They made that abundantly CUI because they were confident if 534 00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:54,880 Speaker 1: if that situation they moved down to nine, that they would. 535 00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:57,320 Speaker 2: Still have a very good chance at taking Romadonza him 536 00:23:57,400 --> 00:24:00,320 Speaker 2: still being there and if not brock Bowers, so they 537 00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:03,480 Speaker 2: would still come out of the draft with an elite playmaker, 538 00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:06,760 Speaker 2: an elite pass catcher for Daniel Jones, while picking up 539 00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:08,760 Speaker 2: an extra third and fourth round pick. The risk there 540 00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:11,280 Speaker 2: was that the Falcons they assumed we're going to pick 541 00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:14,399 Speaker 2: Dallas Turner, yes, or an edge rusher. They ended up 542 00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:16,119 Speaker 2: picking Michael Pennix, So the was no one expected, but 543 00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:18,520 Speaker 2: they as they were not going to pick a tight 544 00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:19,359 Speaker 2: end or a wide receiver. 545 00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:20,199 Speaker 1: But there was a risk there. 546 00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:22,359 Speaker 2: And they also said, look, everyone thinks that the Titans 547 00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:24,440 Speaker 2: are picking an offensive line, Well what if Tennessee did it? 548 00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:26,879 Speaker 1: You know what I mean. So you're still dealing with 549 00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:29,040 Speaker 1: a lot of risk in that potential trade down to 550 00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:29,399 Speaker 1: nine that. 551 00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:31,200 Speaker 2: They talked, Yeah, I mean there was buzz going into 552 00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:33,520 Speaker 2: the draft that Roma Dunese could be in play for 553 00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:35,879 Speaker 2: Tennessee at seven. Yeah, so that definitely would have been 554 00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:38,000 Speaker 2: a risky move to move down to nine. 555 00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:40,720 Speaker 1: I think they in that if that had happened, and 556 00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:43,880 Speaker 1: even if the Dunesa had gone seven, I do think 557 00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:45,240 Speaker 1: the Giants would have come out of the draft with 558 00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:47,880 Speaker 1: brock Bowers, then I don't think someone would have then 559 00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:50,919 Speaker 1: moved up to take brock Bowers away from the Giants, 560 00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:53,080 Speaker 1: so they still would have come out with a playmaker. 561 00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:56,439 Speaker 1: But just sticking on Rome for a second, another thing 562 00:24:56,520 --> 00:24:59,200 Speaker 1: that stood out to me was when Rome was in 563 00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:03,639 Speaker 1: Joe's office with Joe and Dabs and they asked him, 564 00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:07,320 Speaker 1: do you have any questions for us? And Roma Dunsay said, yeah, 565 00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:11,440 Speaker 1: what sort of like type of person not the football part, 566 00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:13,960 Speaker 1: but off the field. What type of person are you 567 00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:18,280 Speaker 1: looking to bring in? And Daves pretty much told him 568 00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:21,520 Speaker 1: straight up, you are the exact type of character that 569 00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:23,479 Speaker 1: we want in this locker room. I mean, I think 570 00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:26,119 Speaker 1: the quote was we're looking for good people that are 571 00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:29,080 Speaker 1: also good players, and you fit that to a t, 572 00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:32,320 Speaker 1: which is not surprising based on what we heard about 573 00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:33,640 Speaker 1: a Dunsay leaning. I thought it's interesting. 574 00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:35,960 Speaker 2: Look that that was the question no Dunsay chose to 575 00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:38,640 Speaker 2: ask them. Wasn't about the quarterback the offense. He wants 576 00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:40,040 Speaker 2: to know about the locker room, what would be like 577 00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:41,280 Speaker 2: to play here? I thought that was interesting. 578 00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:43,480 Speaker 1: I have a feeling he kind of knew that that 579 00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:46,720 Speaker 1: that they would answer something like that. I mean, he 580 00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:49,440 Speaker 1: clearly knows roma dunsay that he's a high character guy, 581 00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:53,320 Speaker 1: a leader at Washington. I think just my two cents, 582 00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:54,600 Speaker 1: but I think he kind of had a sense that 583 00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:58,240 Speaker 1: they would come back with some sort of response being like, Yeah, 584 00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:00,680 Speaker 1: you're the type of personality that we love for in 585 00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:01,480 Speaker 1: this locker room. 586 00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:05,520 Speaker 3: You loved turf, You're good at it. So you start 587 00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:09,520 Speaker 3: a turf fizz business grows, your savings grow, become the 588 00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:13,679 Speaker 3: most celebrated name in turf. Are you ready for all 589 00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:14,439 Speaker 3: that life brings? 590 00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:18,280 Speaker 2: We mentioned the be Denzi trade down O This said 591 00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:20,080 Speaker 2: they would talk to the Titans at seven in terms 592 00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:22,080 Speaker 2: of maybe sliding down one spot. The Titans wanted to 593 00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:26,320 Speaker 2: move up and draft somebody. But again you could see 594 00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:28,639 Speaker 2: Joe Shane basically going down the US all right, well, 595 00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:32,160 Speaker 2: we have potential trades in place at three, four, five, six, seven. 596 00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:35,119 Speaker 2: He never mentioned eight with the Falcons, so it sounded 597 00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:37,359 Speaker 2: like the Falcons were they were locked in on Pennis 598 00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:39,000 Speaker 2: at that point, and nobody knew that who they were 599 00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:40,920 Speaker 2: locked in on, but they were not gonna move and 600 00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:42,480 Speaker 2: they were just gonna pick their guy and stick there. 601 00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:44,400 Speaker 2: And then he said, down to nine. And then again, 602 00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:46,119 Speaker 2: like I said in the teaser, we'll see what happens 603 00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:48,200 Speaker 2: when the Jets call about the tenth overall pick. But 604 00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:50,480 Speaker 2: you know, he kind of had all that stuff lying 605 00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:52,520 Speaker 2: up just in case they had to move up and 606 00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:54,239 Speaker 2: down the board on draft day. And again, so much 607 00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:57,320 Speaker 2: of it was happening kind of like at the last second, 608 00:26:57,400 --> 00:26:59,080 Speaker 2: it seemed like the way it was edited, maybe a 609 00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:00,600 Speaker 2: lot of that. I'm sure a lot of that leg 610 00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:02,720 Speaker 2: work was done in advance, but in terms of just 611 00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:05,800 Speaker 2: making sure nothing changes that close to the draft, Josh 612 00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:07,440 Speaker 2: was pretty busy once he got his family out of 613 00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:09,000 Speaker 2: there at one twenty oh for sure. 614 00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:12,959 Speaker 1: But you know, it seemed like and again my opinion, 615 00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:15,320 Speaker 1: but it's it really seemed like of all those you know, 616 00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:18,680 Speaker 1: potential trade situations that Joe worked out prior to the 617 00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:22,000 Speaker 1: start of the draft, the only one that it seemed 618 00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:24,520 Speaker 1: like he thought had somewhat of a chance of happening 619 00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:26,840 Speaker 1: was the trade with the Bears. And that that's what 620 00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:28,600 Speaker 1: it seemed like based on how it was that because 621 00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:31,119 Speaker 1: I mean, he you know, we saw the conversation with 622 00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:34,000 Speaker 1: the Patriots where Elliott Wolf told him we're not trading 623 00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:36,720 Speaker 1: and then while he did say at one point, you know, 624 00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:38,720 Speaker 1: we have a trade worked out with the Cardinals F four, 625 00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:41,440 Speaker 1: there was another part where I believe it was Joe 626 00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:45,840 Speaker 1: said Monty talking about the GM of the Cardinals seems 627 00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:48,960 Speaker 1: pretty set at sticking at four and probably taking Marvin Harrison, 628 00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:54,679 Speaker 1: and understandably so understandably so, uh, I guess the one 629 00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:57,800 Speaker 1: team that's really a question mark was the Chargers. The 630 00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:01,200 Speaker 1: Giants really wanted to trade up from six to five 631 00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:03,600 Speaker 1: and told them, look, we're taking a wide receiver here. 632 00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:06,040 Speaker 1: And the Chargers knew they were taking Joe out. Maybe 633 00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:08,399 Speaker 1: that you know, would have been a situation that they 634 00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:10,720 Speaker 1: would have traded, but we just didn't. We didn't really 635 00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:15,040 Speaker 1: see any of that. But yeah, the Bears situation, clearly 636 00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:19,439 Speaker 1: they Joe had a plan if Malik and Marvin Harrison 637 00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:23,280 Speaker 1: were both gone and it was a planet, you know, Joe, 638 00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:26,719 Speaker 1: Brian Dable and mister Marra and mister Tish, they all 639 00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:30,959 Speaker 1: seemed comfortable with. Obviously they wanted Joe made it very 640 00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:33,359 Speaker 1: clear that they wanted Marvin Harrison or Moleague neighbors, but 641 00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:36,440 Speaker 1: it seemed like, you know, worst case scenario, those two 642 00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:39,120 Speaker 1: guys are gone, were good with trading down to nine, 643 00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:42,160 Speaker 1: picking up those third and fourth round picks and still 644 00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:45,120 Speaker 1: getting one of those elite playmakers Roma Dunes the or 645 00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:48,520 Speaker 1: brock Bowers. Yeah. Absolutely, I thought that was very interesting. 646 00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:51,000 Speaker 2: And you know the other thing with the receivers, I 647 00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:52,720 Speaker 2: think having all three guys in the building on the 648 00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:55,080 Speaker 2: same day when they were thirty visits and he had 649 00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:56,760 Speaker 2: Mike Grow in the room working with all three of them, 650 00:28:56,840 --> 00:28:59,600 Speaker 2: kind of it's almost the same way Dable was rapid 651 00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:02,720 Speaker 2: fire quizzing the quarterbacks at the combine. It was the 652 00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:06,080 Speaker 2: same way that Mike Grow was quizzing them in that 653 00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:06,600 Speaker 2: room like. 654 00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:08,920 Speaker 1: That boom boom boom, boom boom, and just trying to 655 00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:10,440 Speaker 1: get all right, well you go right the quarterback, what 656 00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:11,560 Speaker 1: do you tell them? Well, how do you convert to 657 00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:12,480 Speaker 1: an exit this situation? 658 00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:15,760 Speaker 2: You know, just really hardcore XI zonals up to see 659 00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:18,200 Speaker 2: and how much these guys were into it and got 660 00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:20,200 Speaker 2: it mentally, and he seemed to be pretty happy with 661 00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:21,080 Speaker 2: how all three guys did. 662 00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:24,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think that's actually an interesting tactic. You know, 663 00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:27,080 Speaker 1: if you know that wide receiver or a certain position 664 00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:29,040 Speaker 1: doesn't even have to be wide receiver. A certain position 665 00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:32,400 Speaker 1: is gonna be one of your top targets. I'm all 666 00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:36,600 Speaker 1: for bringing in multiple guys at that position that you 667 00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:39,520 Speaker 1: know will be in play for you, and having them 668 00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:41,720 Speaker 1: in the room at the same time and like in 669 00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:44,920 Speaker 1: a way sort of compete against each other. Obviously it's 670 00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:47,160 Speaker 1: not off the field, it's in the meeting room. But 671 00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:50,040 Speaker 1: you know, as Mike grow was quizzing them, it was 672 00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:53,360 Speaker 1: like very interesting to see, you know, which guys got 673 00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:55,600 Speaker 1: it right, Like which guys were quick to give an answer, 674 00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:59,160 Speaker 1: the correct answer. Like I'm all for having all the 675 00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:01,840 Speaker 1: guys compete, bring him in at the same time, and 676 00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:04,000 Speaker 1: have him compete even off the field, because you want 677 00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:07,080 Speaker 1: to see which guys, even off the field, are like, 678 00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:11,640 Speaker 1: I guess the most mentally tough, Yeah, and you know, quick, 679 00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:15,240 Speaker 1: quick with their decisions, high football IQ, And the best 680 00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:17,400 Speaker 1: way to do it is to compare them with the 681 00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:20,280 Speaker 1: other guys at the position. The only other thing that 682 00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:23,640 Speaker 1: I thought, sticking on the you know, wide receivers potential 683 00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:28,160 Speaker 1: trade down situation, that was very, very interesting was the 684 00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:31,360 Speaker 1: part where Davis was talking about his conversation with Nick Saban, 685 00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:36,040 Speaker 1: obviously the long time coach at Alabama incredibly successful. He 686 00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:38,680 Speaker 1: asked him who are your top guys in the draft, 687 00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:41,600 Speaker 1: both on either side of the ball. And we only 688 00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:44,120 Speaker 1: heard about the two offensive guys, but he said there 689 00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:48,640 Speaker 1: are two offensive players that were just problems for the 690 00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:53,160 Speaker 1: Alabama defense over the last couple of seasons, Malik Neighbors 691 00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:58,240 Speaker 1: and Brock Bauers. And obviously Nick Saban is potentially the 692 00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:01,720 Speaker 1: most one of the most respected coaches in college football history. 693 00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:05,000 Speaker 1: Brian Dable obviously has a relationship, a close one with 694 00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:07,320 Speaker 1: Nick Saban from when he was on the coaching staff there. 695 00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:11,800 Speaker 1: That definitely held some weight with you know, with Brian 696 00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:14,440 Speaker 1: Dable with the rest of the Giants. I mean, the 697 00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:18,040 Speaker 1: Giants have had a long you know, Alabama connections as 698 00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:22,240 Speaker 1: an organization, so I think that conversation probably made the 699 00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:25,560 Speaker 1: Giants feel very comfortable with going into the draft. And 700 00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:28,239 Speaker 1: you know about that potential trade down situation. Even if 701 00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:30,240 Speaker 1: they were to move down to nine, if they walked 702 00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:32,440 Speaker 1: out with Brock Bowers, I think they still would have 703 00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:33,280 Speaker 1: been very happy with that. 704 00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:35,320 Speaker 2: Sure seemed that way, all right. A couple things real 705 00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:37,680 Speaker 2: quick before you say goodbye. A couple of throwaway things 706 00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:40,600 Speaker 2: I thought were interesting at the Penn State Pro Day. 707 00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:43,120 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, let's start with the draft part of the 708 00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:46,040 Speaker 2: conversation first, where they're talking about THEO Johnson. This was 709 00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:48,320 Speaker 2: Dennis Hickey, the Giants director of college scatting, was talking 710 00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:49,680 Speaker 2: to one of the scouts that I forget which one, 711 00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:50,800 Speaker 2: and he basically, look. 712 00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:51,960 Speaker 1: I think this is going to be the second Titan 713 00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:52,480 Speaker 1: off the board. 714 00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:56,640 Speaker 2: Yep, given his size, speed, weight and traits, and he 715 00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:58,920 Speaker 2: can be a two way player. So clearly they had 716 00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:00,960 Speaker 2: their eyes on him early on them process. Yeah, he 717 00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:04,360 Speaker 2: didn't end up wasn't ended up the second tight end drafted. 718 00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:06,920 Speaker 2: I don't remember what. I believe it was Ben Sinnett. 719 00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:10,600 Speaker 1: I don't know what number THEO Johnson I don't know if, 720 00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:14,800 Speaker 1: but seemed pretty clear that given that the Giants were 721 00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:17,240 Speaker 1: probably very happy with the value they got with taking 722 00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:19,840 Speaker 1: THEO Johnson in the fourth round. The other conversation at 723 00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:21,240 Speaker 1: the Penn State Pro day was interesting. 724 00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:23,840 Speaker 2: Oddly, it was take on Barkley talking to a new 725 00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:25,840 Speaker 2: Giants coach that he wasn't here with not one of 726 00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:28,040 Speaker 2: the guys that he knew, but he had a conversation 727 00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:30,440 Speaker 2: with new offensive line coach Carmen Brisilla, and Carl Brisilla 728 00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:33,080 Speaker 2: was breaking down what the Giants did in frames in 729 00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:35,160 Speaker 2: the offensive line and just a couple of things. He 730 00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:37,080 Speaker 2: talked about how much he loved to Jermaine Luminour and 731 00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:39,520 Speaker 2: then he talked about John Runyan, how he could be 732 00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:42,680 Speaker 2: right guard, left guard, also center flex in that conversation, 733 00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:43,719 Speaker 2: which I thought was interesting. 734 00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:46,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, that was definitely interesting, And after that conversation, I 735 00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:50,120 Speaker 1: guess it shed some light maybe on what we saw 736 00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:52,960 Speaker 1: in the last episode with we heard the line like 737 00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:57,920 Speaker 1: Jermaine Iluminore is our top offensive lineman. It seems pretty 738 00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:00,640 Speaker 1: clear now that Carl and Brisilla probably had a lot 739 00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:05,960 Speaker 1: to say in that because Carl Brisillo loves Jermaine Illuminaor. 740 00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:09,440 Speaker 1: He literally said, I love him. He is like my child. 741 00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:14,400 Speaker 1: I haven't heard coaches, especially position coaches talk about players 742 00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:17,560 Speaker 1: like that and like on such a personal level. But 743 00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:20,880 Speaker 1: it is clear that they have a very close relationship 744 00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:24,280 Speaker 1: and that my guess would be that played a big 745 00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:27,800 Speaker 1: part in Jermaine Iluminor wanting to come to New York 746 00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:31,360 Speaker 1: and the Giants having interest in Jermaine Iluminaor. And you know, 747 00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:34,600 Speaker 1: in addition to just his abilities on the field, which 748 00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:36,800 Speaker 1: obviously you know, he had a great year last year, 749 00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:40,200 Speaker 1: has been very durable. But that was interesting to see. 750 00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:42,520 Speaker 1: And the only other thing from that interaction that stood 751 00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:45,720 Speaker 1: out to me was a comment that Saquon made while 752 00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:48,560 Speaker 1: they were still talking about the offensive line. And I 753 00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:50,800 Speaker 1: think it was when Brisillo talked about, you know, wanting 754 00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:53,800 Speaker 1: to have runy in next to John Michael schmidts as 755 00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:56,479 Speaker 1: like a you know, have a steady anchor next to him. 756 00:33:57,120 --> 00:34:00,880 Speaker 1: Saquan was talking about JMS and he implemented him about 757 00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:04,200 Speaker 1: his leadership. You know, JMS was a rookie this past year. 758 00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:06,880 Speaker 1: You know, he got hurt. It obviously wasn't the best 759 00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:10,439 Speaker 1: season for the Giants as an offense or the offensive line. 760 00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:14,520 Speaker 1: But throughout all of that, Saquon said the JMS still 761 00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:18,720 Speaker 1: stood out to him as a leader and showed leadership qualities. 762 00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:21,840 Speaker 1: So hearing all that, it would not surprise me to 763 00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:24,000 Speaker 1: see whether, I don't know if it'll be this year, 764 00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:26,840 Speaker 1: but sometime down the road, John Michael schmidtz be a 765 00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:27,759 Speaker 1: captain of this team. 766 00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:29,680 Speaker 2: And it shout didn't seem like there was hard feelings 767 00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:31,840 Speaker 2: there from Saquon Barkley Tall. He was like interested in 768 00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:33,719 Speaker 2: what the Giants did on the offensive line, remember, And 769 00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:35,799 Speaker 2: I just looked it up the date Penn State Pro 770 00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:39,160 Speaker 2: Day was March fifteenth. That was right, It was four 771 00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:42,280 Speaker 2: days after he signed with the Eagles. They will agreed 772 00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:44,560 Speaker 2: to terms with the Eagles because he was a Day 773 00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:47,560 Speaker 2: one guy. That was March eleventh, when the negotiating period began. 774 00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:51,399 Speaker 2: It's the same week, folks, four days. They didn't seem 775 00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:53,320 Speaker 2: to be a whole lot of screw the Giants. I 776 00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:54,600 Speaker 2: don't want to talk to them. Many from the Giants 777 00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:56,400 Speaker 2: like that didn't seem to be the case there, you 778 00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:58,120 Speaker 2: know what I mean. So just something to keep in 779 00:34:58,200 --> 00:34:59,919 Speaker 2: mind where I think a lot of people thought about 780 00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:02,239 Speaker 2: where it was. I think that maybe shed some lights 781 00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:03,680 Speaker 2: shed some light on it too. 782 00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:07,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I think as Saquan has said, you know, 783 00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:10,080 Speaker 1: going back to last year when he got the franchise tag, 784 00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:10,800 Speaker 1: it's a business. 785 00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:13,719 Speaker 2: Knows it's a business. So it didn't seem like I 786 00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:16,319 Speaker 2: agree with it, didn't seem like he was holding. 787 00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:19,000 Speaker 1: You know, any harsh feelings or ill will towards the 788 00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:22,520 Speaker 1: Giants in that clip at least anything else. Uh No, 789 00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:25,200 Speaker 1: I think we just about covered everything they do episode. 790 00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:27,160 Speaker 2: Can't wait for the finale, yeah, can I thought they 791 00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:28,680 Speaker 2: were going to get through the whole draft in this one, 792 00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:31,200 Speaker 2: but we got we have actually the actual draft coming 793 00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:32,600 Speaker 2: our way next week, so there's still a lot of 794 00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:35,120 Speaker 2: fun stuff. I guess the draft and then I'm assuming 795 00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:37,279 Speaker 2: though we saw a little a few clips just of 796 00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:40,040 Speaker 2: spring practices, so I guess they'll show some of that, 797 00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:41,880 Speaker 2: and maybe you and I will make an appearance on 798 00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:44,160 Speaker 2: the sideline and some hundreds anniversary stuff as well. We 799 00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:46,000 Speaker 2: saw as we saw a little teaser, we had we 800 00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:48,280 Speaker 2: had some uh, we had some people from the production 801 00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:49,520 Speaker 2: staff actually make an appearance. 802 00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:50,920 Speaker 1: I can't splow it for anybody, but I. 803 00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:54,279 Speaker 2: Saw some faces in there, and also also a member 804 00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:56,759 Speaker 2: of Paul Deatino's favorite It department made appearance too in 805 00:35:56,840 --> 00:35:57,640 Speaker 2: the episode. 806 00:35:57,280 --> 00:35:57,960 Speaker 1: Two, which is good. 807 00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:00,920 Speaker 2: Football season is coming and so the ex college semester. 808 00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:03,160 Speaker 2: If you need funding, a Citizen Student loan can help 809 00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:05,360 Speaker 2: you pay for one hundred percent of your school certified costs. 810 00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:07,560 Speaker 2: Get your rate quote in about two minutes at citizens 811 00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:10,360 Speaker 2: bank dot com slash pay for college. 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