1 00:00:00,920 --> 00:00:07,000 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, a candlelight vigil for a 2 00:00:07,040 --> 00:00:10,960 Speaker 1: gorgeous young coffee shop owner. I Nancy Grace, this is 3 00:00:11,000 --> 00:00:13,760 Speaker 1: Crime Stories. I want to thank you for being with us. 4 00:00:14,000 --> 00:00:17,840 Speaker 2: But loved Oakland coffee shop owner vanishes without warning, leaving 5 00:00:17,880 --> 00:00:20,639 Speaker 2: her daughters desperate for their mother's safe return. 6 00:00:21,560 --> 00:00:26,520 Speaker 1: Where is Amy? A very high profile in her neighborhood. 7 00:00:26,680 --> 00:00:32,640 Speaker 1: Everybody loves her, coffee shop, extremely popular. Never a bad 8 00:00:32,800 --> 00:00:36,960 Speaker 1: word about Amy Hillier. But tonight the community banning together 9 00:00:38,320 --> 00:00:43,960 Speaker 1: to have a vigil. She's disappeared days ago. Last scene, 10 00:00:44,040 --> 00:00:49,560 Speaker 1: to my understanding, in a public park. Where is she? Nobody? 11 00:00:49,960 --> 00:00:53,840 Speaker 1: Nobody just vanishes off the face of the earth. It's 12 00:00:53,880 --> 00:00:57,160 Speaker 1: not like we're in Harry Potter and you can operate 13 00:00:57,440 --> 00:01:02,760 Speaker 1: somewhere else that doesn't happen. Somebody knows where is Amy? 14 00:01:02,880 --> 00:01:05,280 Speaker 1: Joining us an all star panel, But first I want 15 00:01:05,280 --> 00:01:09,280 Speaker 1: to go straight out to Brian Fitzgibbons, Director Operations USPA 16 00:01:09,840 --> 00:01:16,000 Speaker 1: nation Wide Security. He leads a team of investigators that 17 00:01:16,080 --> 00:01:20,680 Speaker 1: go around the world searching for missing people and performing 18 00:01:20,800 --> 00:01:28,600 Speaker 1: extractions of missing people. Former marine Iraqi Warvett. I hate it, hate, hate, 19 00:01:28,680 --> 00:01:31,760 Speaker 1: hate when someone says they just disappeared like it's a 20 00:01:31,840 --> 00:01:36,600 Speaker 1: vanishing act. That's not what happened. And don't even start 21 00:01:36,760 --> 00:01:39,440 Speaker 1: with the typical down the road of she's a woman, 22 00:01:39,480 --> 00:01:41,840 Speaker 1: she's probably with her boyfriend. Do not even let the 23 00:01:41,880 --> 00:01:46,720 Speaker 1: words boyfriend or new boyfriend or alone time or me 24 00:01:47,000 --> 00:01:50,760 Speaker 1: time or girls trip come out of your mouth, Fitzgibbons, 25 00:01:52,360 --> 00:01:52,880 Speaker 1: I won't. 26 00:01:52,960 --> 00:01:57,520 Speaker 3: And what I'll say that this case is particularly alarming 27 00:01:58,040 --> 00:02:02,880 Speaker 3: because of the time of day that Amy Hilliard went missing. 28 00:02:03,440 --> 00:02:07,200 Speaker 3: She was last seen at her home around two PM 29 00:02:07,440 --> 00:02:11,960 Speaker 3: and then, according to reports, was seen on surveillance footage 30 00:02:12,400 --> 00:02:18,560 Speaker 3: around four four thirty in Diamond Park in Oakland. Now 31 00:02:18,639 --> 00:02:22,240 Speaker 3: what's concerning here is she left behind her phone at 32 00:02:22,280 --> 00:02:26,240 Speaker 3: her house. So this is not this is very atypical 33 00:02:26,280 --> 00:02:30,240 Speaker 3: behavior for a missing person's case, very creepy. 34 00:02:30,400 --> 00:02:33,000 Speaker 4: I'm very scary, and it's you know, like I think 35 00:02:33,040 --> 00:02:36,280 Speaker 4: it happens in every neighborhood. But it's also like frightening 36 00:02:36,320 --> 00:02:40,200 Speaker 4: to think that someone just disappeared from here. And I 37 00:02:40,280 --> 00:02:42,600 Speaker 4: really like, hope she's okay. 38 00:02:42,639 --> 00:02:43,919 Speaker 1: I hope her family is okay. 39 00:02:44,360 --> 00:02:47,440 Speaker 5: Her husband Chris, shared that one of the things that 40 00:02:47,880 --> 00:02:49,200 Speaker 5: defines Amy, one of her. 41 00:02:49,120 --> 00:02:51,000 Speaker 6: Favorite words is the word hope. 42 00:02:51,040 --> 00:02:54,400 Speaker 5: And so tonight we're expressing our hope that we find her. 43 00:02:54,639 --> 00:02:59,880 Speaker 7: Please review your video cameras for evidence of her walking 44 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:00,800 Speaker 7: house your home. 45 00:03:01,200 --> 00:03:05,120 Speaker 1: She loved hiking, she loved walking. It's very possible that 46 00:03:05,200 --> 00:03:06,560 Speaker 1: she could be on that video. 47 00:03:06,840 --> 00:03:12,720 Speaker 5: She'd be the one jumping in volunteering, leading volunteers, talking 48 00:03:12,760 --> 00:03:16,160 Speaker 5: to other people in the community, spreading the word, using 49 00:03:16,200 --> 00:03:20,280 Speaker 5: her talent to help like bring community closer together. It 50 00:03:20,320 --> 00:03:22,480 Speaker 5: seems crazy that she's not here tonight with. 51 00:03:22,440 --> 00:03:26,280 Speaker 1: Us from our friends A KGO and k r N. 52 00:03:26,639 --> 00:03:30,120 Speaker 1: Dave Mack with us Crime Stories investigative reporter. Have you 53 00:03:30,240 --> 00:03:34,720 Speaker 1: seen Diamond Park. It's gorgeous. It's not like some field 54 00:03:34,760 --> 00:03:39,280 Speaker 1: of weeds off by the industrial park. This is a 55 00:03:39,440 --> 00:03:45,640 Speaker 1: very well manicured, well lit park. It's it's popular, a 56 00:03:45,680 --> 00:03:47,520 Speaker 1: lot of people go there. It's really hard for me 57 00:03:47,560 --> 00:03:49,680 Speaker 1: to believe she's last seen there at four thirty in 58 00:03:49,720 --> 00:03:52,840 Speaker 1: the afternoon daylight hours, right, not four thirty am, four 59 00:03:52,960 --> 00:03:53,560 Speaker 1: thirty pm. 60 00:03:53,640 --> 00:03:56,560 Speaker 6: Right, that's correct, Nancy, what's fascinating. 61 00:03:56,680 --> 00:03:58,160 Speaker 1: Have you seen the pictures of this park? 62 00:03:58,640 --> 00:04:02,080 Speaker 8: Yes, it's incredible, familiar place to everyone in the area. 63 00:04:02,160 --> 00:04:05,240 Speaker 8: But Nancy, here's the part that really comes into play. 64 00:04:05,840 --> 00:04:10,600 Speaker 8: We know that Amy was at her home neighborhood around 65 00:04:10,680 --> 00:04:13,800 Speaker 8: two pm she was seen by neighbors outside with her dog. 66 00:04:14,320 --> 00:04:17,640 Speaker 8: Then we have four thirty pm where she has seen 67 00:04:17,640 --> 00:04:21,320 Speaker 8: on surveillance video in Diamond Park. There's a two and 68 00:04:21,320 --> 00:04:23,640 Speaker 8: a half hour window where we don't know where she 69 00:04:23,760 --> 00:04:26,200 Speaker 8: was or what she was doing, but it would take 70 00:04:26,279 --> 00:04:30,599 Speaker 8: it's a couple of miles from her home to Diamond Park. Okay, 71 00:04:30,640 --> 00:04:33,839 Speaker 8: it's like three to four miles. It's not a straight shot. 72 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:38,279 Speaker 8: Driving time ten to fifteen minutes, walking time much longer. 73 00:04:38,320 --> 00:04:39,839 Speaker 8: It could take an hour to hour and a half 74 00:04:39,960 --> 00:04:43,680 Speaker 8: and not something that would normally be walked. So we've 75 00:04:43,720 --> 00:04:45,960 Speaker 8: got an issue here of time and trying to build 76 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:49,600 Speaker 8: that timeline. But four thirty pm Diamond Park she has 77 00:04:49,640 --> 00:04:51,799 Speaker 8: seen on surveillance video confirmed. 78 00:04:51,920 --> 00:04:55,800 Speaker 1: Day Mac, you're saying Diamond Park, right, not like the 79 00:04:56,520 --> 00:04:59,720 Speaker 1: Jewel but d im nd correct. 80 00:05:00,200 --> 00:05:00,880 Speaker 6: That is correct. 81 00:05:02,760 --> 00:05:05,480 Speaker 1: Have you seen it. It's gorgeous And one thing that 82 00:05:05,520 --> 00:05:09,599 Speaker 1: really jumps out at me is I'm looking at a 83 00:05:09,680 --> 00:05:13,599 Speaker 1: lot of photos of the park and there are a 84 00:05:13,640 --> 00:05:18,320 Speaker 1: lot of kid spots for children to play, like playground equipment. 85 00:05:18,960 --> 00:05:23,920 Speaker 1: There's redwoods, there's walking trails. It's very densely forested, which 86 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:26,760 Speaker 1: is a whole nother can of worms for Brian Fitzgibbons 87 00:05:26,800 --> 00:05:30,200 Speaker 1: to figure out there's a creek bed. I don't know 88 00:05:30,440 --> 00:05:34,080 Speaker 1: if there's water involved, but if there is, I doubt 89 00:05:34,120 --> 00:05:40,240 Speaker 1: pretty seriously it's whitewater. They're manicured grounds with walkways. What 90 00:05:40,279 --> 00:05:45,840 Speaker 1: I'm saying is it looks like an upscale park, a 91 00:05:45,920 --> 00:05:46,839 Speaker 1: walking park. 92 00:05:47,279 --> 00:05:50,240 Speaker 8: As I mentioned, you know, there are surveillance cameras, so 93 00:05:50,600 --> 00:05:53,440 Speaker 8: it makes an individual feel safe when they go there. 94 00:05:53,600 --> 00:05:55,680 Speaker 8: That's how we have the video. We don't have it, 95 00:05:55,720 --> 00:05:59,559 Speaker 8: but they have confirmed the sighting by video of Amy 96 00:05:59,600 --> 00:06:02,640 Speaker 8: in the Market four thirty. So give you an idea 97 00:06:02,680 --> 00:06:05,000 Speaker 8: of what kind of park we're really talking about. 98 00:06:04,839 --> 00:06:09,760 Speaker 1: Brian Fitzgibbons. I understand your concern. This is in broad daylight, 99 00:06:09,839 --> 00:06:12,480 Speaker 1: and if you look at this photo, very well manicured. 100 00:06:12,520 --> 00:06:14,919 Speaker 1: And the reason I keep saying that is because it 101 00:06:15,040 --> 00:06:17,600 Speaker 1: leads me to believe that there are surveillance cameras there 102 00:06:18,760 --> 00:06:23,480 Speaker 1: now on a remote trail like where Rachel Morin. Remember 103 00:06:23,520 --> 00:06:27,359 Speaker 1: she was on mon Paw Trail and it's not extremely remote. 104 00:06:27,400 --> 00:06:29,479 Speaker 1: She could drive to it, had a good trail head 105 00:06:30,240 --> 00:06:34,120 Speaker 1: with a parking area, but it was more remote than this. 106 00:06:34,440 --> 00:06:37,280 Speaker 1: If you'll recall Rachel Morin, a young mom of five 107 00:06:37,360 --> 00:06:39,960 Speaker 1: goes missing on a mon Paw trail and it's a 108 00:06:40,040 --> 00:06:44,680 Speaker 1: very active trail, very active. And the reason I say 109 00:06:44,680 --> 00:06:49,080 Speaker 1: this is I felt at the time that someone should 110 00:06:49,240 --> 00:06:52,240 Speaker 1: have seen the purp and have seen her go on 111 00:06:52,279 --> 00:06:56,200 Speaker 1: the trail. Now, she hadn't been killed for long before 112 00:06:56,520 --> 00:06:59,640 Speaker 1: other hikers come along and find her body. What I'm 113 00:06:59,640 --> 00:07:03,520 Speaker 1: saying about this case, which is eerily similar, it seems 114 00:07:03,560 --> 00:07:05,760 Speaker 1: like there are a lot of people there fits And 115 00:07:05,800 --> 00:07:08,919 Speaker 1: if you look at the well manicured nature of Diamond Park, 116 00:07:09,480 --> 00:07:13,480 Speaker 1: there's got to be surveillance. There has to be rangers. 117 00:07:13,680 --> 00:07:16,440 Speaker 1: I mean, look at that. It's not like a remote 118 00:07:16,880 --> 00:07:21,200 Speaker 1: National Park hiking trail where there's nobody. I mean, if 119 00:07:21,240 --> 00:07:27,440 Speaker 1: you think about Ariel Koenig out a very remote and treacherous, 120 00:07:27,840 --> 00:07:32,040 Speaker 1: treacherous hiking trail where her husband trying to push her 121 00:07:32,040 --> 00:07:35,000 Speaker 1: over the edge of a cliff, it was a miracle. 122 00:07:35,040 --> 00:07:38,520 Speaker 1: Two hikers came along and saw what was happening before 123 00:07:38,680 --> 00:07:41,720 Speaker 1: Ariel had her head totally bashed in by your husband. 124 00:07:42,400 --> 00:07:46,320 Speaker 1: That said, not the same thing here. That's my point. 125 00:07:46,560 --> 00:07:48,240 Speaker 1: Why did anybody see what happened? 126 00:07:49,920 --> 00:07:54,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, so there are really two components to Diamond Park 127 00:07:54,320 --> 00:07:57,320 Speaker 3: and the one that you just accurately described. You know, 128 00:07:57,360 --> 00:08:00,320 Speaker 3: we have to believe that there's surveillance footage there. It's 129 00:08:00,320 --> 00:08:04,640 Speaker 3: a densely populated area all around the park. However, extending 130 00:08:04,680 --> 00:08:09,360 Speaker 3: about a mile to the north towards Shepherd Canyon, there 131 00:08:09,400 --> 00:08:15,200 Speaker 3: are trailheads that continue into a much more secluded, densely 132 00:08:15,280 --> 00:08:18,520 Speaker 3: wooded part of the same park that might be referred 133 00:08:18,560 --> 00:08:20,080 Speaker 3: to as Diamond Park as well. 134 00:08:20,440 --> 00:08:21,600 Speaker 6: So the question is. 135 00:08:22,360 --> 00:08:26,400 Speaker 3: Was Amy Hilliard walking in that recreation area side of 136 00:08:26,440 --> 00:08:30,360 Speaker 3: the park or was she on these more remote trailheads 137 00:08:30,480 --> 00:08:34,000 Speaker 3: extending to the north towards Shepherd Canyon, which would cause 138 00:08:34,040 --> 00:08:35,439 Speaker 3: a much more difficult search. 139 00:08:36,120 --> 00:08:39,400 Speaker 1: Dave Matt Crime Story's investigative reporter. Of course she was 140 00:08:39,440 --> 00:08:43,440 Speaker 1: spotted on surveillance video, but I don't know that video. 141 00:08:43,520 --> 00:08:46,920 Speaker 1: Is her going at the entrance, going in, or somewhere 142 00:08:46,920 --> 00:08:50,800 Speaker 1: within the park. Do we know what we can see 143 00:08:50,840 --> 00:08:53,559 Speaker 1: in the background of that surveillance video? Have they released it? 144 00:08:54,240 --> 00:08:54,640 Speaker 6: Not yet. 145 00:08:54,840 --> 00:08:57,520 Speaker 8: The video has not been released, and we haven't been 146 00:08:57,559 --> 00:09:00,520 Speaker 8: given a lot of information about where she was in 147 00:09:00,559 --> 00:09:02,560 Speaker 8: the park, what she was doing in the park. We 148 00:09:02,640 --> 00:09:05,120 Speaker 8: don't know if she was out for a walk on 149 00:09:05,200 --> 00:09:07,600 Speaker 8: a trail, or if she was sitting under a tree 150 00:09:07,640 --> 00:09:11,520 Speaker 8: reading a book. We don't have a clue right now. 151 00:09:11,559 --> 00:09:19,080 Speaker 1: We know that it's characterized by natural hiking paths, trails, redwoods, 152 00:09:19,320 --> 00:09:24,559 Speaker 1: sometimes very dense. Back to you, Brian Fitzgibbons, USPA Nationwide Security, 153 00:09:25,000 --> 00:09:28,760 Speaker 1: tell me again about the other area of the park, 154 00:09:29,080 --> 00:09:32,920 Speaker 1: not the nicely manicured area, but where it goes off 155 00:09:32,960 --> 00:09:34,840 Speaker 1: into more remote hiking trails. 156 00:09:35,559 --> 00:09:39,120 Speaker 3: From that nicely manicured area that we could refer to 157 00:09:39,160 --> 00:09:42,959 Speaker 3: as the recreation area of the park, you have access 158 00:09:43,080 --> 00:09:46,920 Speaker 3: to a number of trailheads that extend to the north. 159 00:09:47,800 --> 00:09:53,680 Speaker 3: They they cross over underneath highways and extend north to 160 00:09:53,800 --> 00:09:54,679 Speaker 3: Shepherd Canyon. 161 00:09:54,760 --> 00:09:56,800 Speaker 6: Now that part of the park is. 162 00:09:56,920 --> 00:10:03,040 Speaker 3: Much more remote, much more secluded, The terrain is more difficult, 163 00:10:03,080 --> 00:10:07,360 Speaker 3: and you know it much easier to hide somebody in 164 00:10:07,400 --> 00:10:08,600 Speaker 3: there or get lost in there. 165 00:10:09,400 --> 00:10:14,800 Speaker 1: Since Amy disappeared, over two hundred volunteers have gone all 166 00:10:14,840 --> 00:10:19,920 Speaker 1: around the neighborhood near the park asking for camera footage, 167 00:10:20,280 --> 00:10:24,800 Speaker 1: door camps, anything that they can find. Straight out to 168 00:10:25,000 --> 00:10:30,600 Speaker 1: a special guest joining us. Doctor Rachel Toles, doctor Toles, 169 00:10:30,679 --> 00:10:34,400 Speaker 1: clinical forensic psychologist, author of a brand new book coming 170 00:10:34,400 --> 00:10:39,600 Speaker 1: out inventing the psychopath. Okay, I'm reading that how a 171 00:10:39,679 --> 00:10:43,360 Speaker 1: convenient myth makes the world more dangerous. You can find 172 00:10:43,400 --> 00:10:47,280 Speaker 1: her at doctor Rachel tools dot com. T O L. E. S. 173 00:10:47,280 --> 00:10:50,600 Speaker 1: Doctor Toles, Thank you for being with us, Doctor Rachel Tols. 174 00:10:50,720 --> 00:10:54,480 Speaker 1: Why is it when here you've got a beautiful and 175 00:10:54,640 --> 00:10:59,880 Speaker 1: very successful coffee shop owner, everybody seemingly loves her. When 176 00:10:59,880 --> 00:11:04,800 Speaker 1: she she goes missing, everyone acts like she ran off 177 00:11:04,840 --> 00:11:08,560 Speaker 1: with a man. Why why is that When a guy 178 00:11:08,600 --> 00:11:12,560 Speaker 1: goes missing, nobody says, oh, he's a big hoe, But 179 00:11:12,640 --> 00:11:16,160 Speaker 1: when a woman goes missing, it's all together different. 180 00:11:17,880 --> 00:11:20,480 Speaker 9: It is very strange, and it is a double standard. 181 00:11:21,440 --> 00:11:23,320 Speaker 1: You could argue. 182 00:11:22,880 --> 00:11:26,439 Speaker 9: That maybe some people have this idea on their minds 183 00:11:26,520 --> 00:11:29,440 Speaker 9: because of the recent Michelle Hunley Smith case in North 184 00:11:29,440 --> 00:11:32,120 Speaker 9: Carolina where she disappeared in two thousand and one and 185 00:11:32,200 --> 00:11:35,280 Speaker 9: was found alive and well this year. She left when 186 00:11:35,280 --> 00:11:38,680 Speaker 9: her daughter was fourteen. But these types of cases with 187 00:11:38,760 --> 00:11:41,439 Speaker 9: women kind of just wandering off or leaving with the 188 00:11:41,480 --> 00:11:45,280 Speaker 9: lover usually have a different behavioral structure. And from what's 189 00:11:45,320 --> 00:11:47,560 Speaker 9: public here, we haven't heard any of these kind of 190 00:11:47,559 --> 00:11:51,319 Speaker 9: precipitating crisis things, or that there was issues in the marriage. 191 00:11:51,360 --> 00:11:54,160 Speaker 9: We haven't heard that yet, but yes, it's a double 192 00:11:54,160 --> 00:11:55,839 Speaker 9: standard and it's really unfortunate. 193 00:11:57,880 --> 00:12:01,040 Speaker 1: You mentioned a mom. I believe she was a mom 194 00:12:01,080 --> 00:12:03,960 Speaker 1: of three who goes missing for about fourteen years and 195 00:12:04,000 --> 00:12:08,120 Speaker 1: she's found basically in the next town over. You know 196 00:12:08,160 --> 00:12:13,600 Speaker 1: why we know about that case because it's avant. It's unusual. 197 00:12:14,040 --> 00:12:19,520 Speaker 1: It's highly unusual for a mom of three to go 198 00:12:19,600 --> 00:12:22,719 Speaker 1: missing and lose all contact with her children. They think 199 00:12:22,760 --> 00:12:28,880 Speaker 1: she's dead for over a decade. It rarely happens. That's 200 00:12:28,880 --> 00:12:32,680 Speaker 1: why it made a headline. And it feeds into women 201 00:12:32,800 --> 00:12:37,600 Speaker 1: disappear because they want to They want me time, they 202 00:12:37,640 --> 00:12:40,040 Speaker 1: want to go on a walk about a girl's trip. 203 00:12:40,400 --> 00:12:45,400 Speaker 1: That is so rare. To Joanna Nievas joining US, high 204 00:12:45,400 --> 00:12:49,560 Speaker 1: profile criminal defense attorney, founder of the Nievas Law Firm, Joanna, 205 00:12:49,640 --> 00:12:53,720 Speaker 1: thank you for being with us. Why is this this 206 00:12:54,200 --> 00:13:01,160 Speaker 1: stereotype alive and well, very alive and well. Even amongst 207 00:13:01,200 --> 00:13:04,040 Speaker 1: law enforcement, when a woman goes missing, we just assume 208 00:13:04,160 --> 00:13:05,800 Speaker 1: she's slung up at the Motel six. 209 00:13:07,960 --> 00:13:08,160 Speaker 6: Yeah. 210 00:13:08,200 --> 00:13:10,520 Speaker 10: I think it's because people are always looking for a 211 00:13:10,600 --> 00:13:13,800 Speaker 10: reason to place on something rather than you know, going 212 00:13:13,840 --> 00:13:16,840 Speaker 10: to the route of, hey, somebody took this person and 213 00:13:17,040 --> 00:13:20,240 Speaker 10: against their will. You know, she's a mother of two, 214 00:13:20,360 --> 00:13:23,560 Speaker 10: she's a prominent business owner in the community. They're going 215 00:13:23,600 --> 00:13:26,000 Speaker 10: to lean towards hey, was there trouble at home? Was 216 00:13:26,040 --> 00:13:29,720 Speaker 10: she escaping from reality? Was there mounting debt and a 217 00:13:29,800 --> 00:13:33,480 Speaker 10: sinking business? Rather than Hey, she's on, you know, on 218 00:13:33,520 --> 00:13:37,080 Speaker 10: a daily routine maybe of walking a dog or walking 219 00:13:37,120 --> 00:13:41,520 Speaker 10: about a park, and somebody abducted her because it's less, 220 00:13:41,640 --> 00:13:46,440 Speaker 10: you know, it's it's easier to digest that somebody voluntarily 221 00:13:46,800 --> 00:13:49,520 Speaker 10: left their phone behind so that they can leave their 222 00:13:49,559 --> 00:13:55,160 Speaker 10: family and their their businesses to get away, rather than hey, 223 00:13:55,240 --> 00:13:59,080 Speaker 10: this person was placed at risk when she was mining 224 00:13:59,080 --> 00:14:03,679 Speaker 10: her own business. 225 00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:11,959 Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace, The popular owner of a 226 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:17,920 Speaker 1: local coffee shop, disappears. Beautiful Amy Hilliard missing from Oakland's 227 00:14:18,080 --> 00:14:23,840 Speaker 1: Diamond Park. Volunteers out searching. The search has continued up 228 00:14:23,960 --> 00:14:27,160 Speaker 1: until we go to air. She's the co owner of 229 00:14:27,320 --> 00:14:31,600 Speaker 1: Farley's Coffee, last seen around four four point thirty in 230 00:14:31,640 --> 00:14:36,320 Speaker 1: the afternoon at Diamond Park. Before that, she was seen 231 00:14:36,360 --> 00:14:44,000 Speaker 1: around two PM leaving her home in Oakland's Cleveland Heights neighborhood. 232 00:14:44,960 --> 00:14:49,000 Speaker 1: People from the Alameda County Sheriff's Office are part of 233 00:14:49,040 --> 00:14:53,040 Speaker 1: the search along with volunteers. A statement has been issued. 234 00:14:53,360 --> 00:14:57,920 Speaker 1: There's no recent video footage other than what we have 235 00:14:58,160 --> 00:15:04,640 Speaker 1: learned about. There was initial incorrect information. We believe she 236 00:15:04,840 --> 00:15:08,160 Speaker 1: was last seeing wearing a white top and Jane's and 237 00:15:08,880 --> 00:15:14,880 Speaker 1: significantly that she was alone. To Brian Fitzgibbons, why is 238 00:15:14,920 --> 00:15:19,200 Speaker 1: it important that she was alone when she was last 239 00:15:19,280 --> 00:15:22,120 Speaker 1: spotted by the way, that's our friends at ABC seven, 240 00:15:22,240 --> 00:15:25,120 Speaker 1: Go ahead, Brian, Yeah. 241 00:15:25,120 --> 00:15:27,360 Speaker 3: It's important to note that there was no one else 242 00:15:27,480 --> 00:15:32,080 Speaker 3: with her on that surveillance footage, that she was spotted alone, 243 00:15:32,120 --> 00:15:34,800 Speaker 3: meaning that she hadn't gone there to meet up with someone, 244 00:15:36,080 --> 00:15:37,880 Speaker 3: at least as far as we can tell from the 245 00:15:37,960 --> 00:15:42,600 Speaker 3: video evidence. So there is no additional person of interest 246 00:15:43,400 --> 00:15:45,600 Speaker 3: that investigators can be looking for. 247 00:15:45,480 --> 00:15:46,160 Speaker 6: At this time. 248 00:15:46,240 --> 00:15:50,200 Speaker 3: That's why this is so important that this canvas extends 249 00:15:50,560 --> 00:15:56,240 Speaker 3: to the surrounding residences to find any footage that could 250 00:15:56,280 --> 00:16:00,320 Speaker 3: potentially have Amy walking by at that time. We can 251 00:16:00,360 --> 00:16:03,360 Speaker 3: see who else may have been following her, may have 252 00:16:03,440 --> 00:16:07,320 Speaker 3: been with her earlier prior to this captured footage. 253 00:16:06,880 --> 00:16:11,200 Speaker 1: In the park. Got a question for you, Outside the park, 254 00:16:11,360 --> 00:16:16,280 Speaker 1: wouldn't that be an issue? For instance, what businesses are there? 255 00:16:16,360 --> 00:16:19,960 Speaker 1: If any can we get video surveillance from there. I 256 00:16:20,000 --> 00:16:24,040 Speaker 1: would be curious about what interstates are near there, because 257 00:16:24,080 --> 00:16:27,520 Speaker 1: if somebody has her right now tonight and they're on 258 00:16:27,560 --> 00:16:31,880 Speaker 1: the interstate, they're going sixty miles an hour. Okay, let's 259 00:16:31,880 --> 00:16:37,440 Speaker 1: just go with that. Every hour, she's sixty miles further away. 260 00:16:38,440 --> 00:16:42,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a couple major roads. To the north is 261 00:16:42,480 --> 00:16:46,240 Speaker 3: Route thirteen and to the south five to eighty, which 262 00:16:46,280 --> 00:16:50,880 Speaker 3: is not far from Diamond Park. So you know, you're 263 00:16:50,920 --> 00:16:54,440 Speaker 3: spot on to say that the egress from that area 264 00:16:54,520 --> 00:16:58,800 Speaker 3: is quite simple and would be fast. So we have 265 00:16:58,920 --> 00:17:04,240 Speaker 3: to immediately extend this canvas to that to the surrounding cameras, 266 00:17:04,800 --> 00:17:10,120 Speaker 3: be they residential or commercial, around in and around Diamond 267 00:17:10,119 --> 00:17:12,640 Speaker 3: Park around the time she went was last seen. 268 00:17:13,280 --> 00:17:17,960 Speaker 1: Okay, Dave mac tell me about the area outside the park. 269 00:17:18,240 --> 00:17:21,760 Speaker 1: Of course, the park area and those hiking trails that 270 00:17:21,800 --> 00:17:25,280 Speaker 1: are densely forested are going to be the first place 271 00:17:25,720 --> 00:17:30,399 Speaker 1: police look. But outside that, just let's say she was 272 00:17:30,440 --> 00:17:35,040 Speaker 1: taken outside the park. Let's pretend a vehicle that is 273 00:17:35,040 --> 00:17:38,399 Speaker 1: an alternative. Police have to explore what's around the park. 274 00:17:39,200 --> 00:17:42,240 Speaker 8: You've got, Nancy, there's a lot of access by major 275 00:17:42,960 --> 00:17:45,200 Speaker 8: by roads running in and around the area. We are 276 00:17:45,240 --> 00:17:48,159 Speaker 8: dealing with neighborhoods, you know, family homes. But as you 277 00:17:48,200 --> 00:17:51,439 Speaker 8: see on the map there there is one road that 278 00:17:51,640 --> 00:17:57,439 Speaker 8: runs along this path that canvases and connects most of 279 00:17:57,480 --> 00:18:03,040 Speaker 8: these areas. As you look, you'll notice that the park 280 00:18:03,119 --> 00:18:06,040 Speaker 8: that we started with at Lake Merritt and going to 281 00:18:06,320 --> 00:18:10,160 Speaker 8: dim Se there is that one main road. But look 282 00:18:10,200 --> 00:18:14,600 Speaker 8: aside all around its residential area. You've got those huge 283 00:18:14,640 --> 00:18:18,240 Speaker 8: trees running. As you look there, you've got redwoods all 284 00:18:18,320 --> 00:18:22,800 Speaker 8: over this area and easy access out of the park 285 00:18:22,960 --> 00:18:25,680 Speaker 8: on the road and you're into town. You're heading into 286 00:18:25,760 --> 00:18:28,560 Speaker 8: Oakland and San Francisco. You're in the Bay Area in 287 00:18:28,600 --> 00:18:29,520 Speaker 8: a matter of minutes. 288 00:18:29,600 --> 00:18:29,919 Speaker 6: Nancy. 289 00:18:30,000 --> 00:18:34,159 Speaker 8: It's not a far off journey from the park into 290 00:18:34,600 --> 00:18:36,639 Speaker 8: areas of a lot high population. 291 00:18:37,440 --> 00:18:40,399 Speaker 1: You know, I'm very curious when you say it's not 292 00:18:40,720 --> 00:18:45,080 Speaker 1: far from Oakland, which has a sky rocketing crime rate. 293 00:18:45,560 --> 00:18:47,040 Speaker 1: How far from Oakland is it. 294 00:18:47,320 --> 00:18:52,880 Speaker 8: We're talking eight to ten miles. The search has extended 295 00:18:53,000 --> 00:18:57,399 Speaker 8: into Oakland neighborhoods and major parks beyond Diamond Park. Nancy, 296 00:18:57,920 --> 00:19:01,120 Speaker 8: that's something that has just been added to this. Remember, 297 00:19:01,359 --> 00:19:04,240 Speaker 8: we lost three or four of the first the search 298 00:19:04,320 --> 00:19:09,880 Speaker 8: time where the search was focused on Amy Hilliard's neighborhood 299 00:19:10,000 --> 00:19:12,560 Speaker 8: and Lake Merritt, which was a couple of minutes walk 300 00:19:12,600 --> 00:19:13,480 Speaker 8: away from her home. 301 00:19:13,640 --> 00:19:15,240 Speaker 6: Three or four days spent in that area. 302 00:19:15,680 --> 00:19:18,200 Speaker 8: It was only after they expanded the search and found 303 00:19:18,280 --> 00:19:22,719 Speaker 8: the video at Diamond Park that the search expanded beyond that. 304 00:19:23,080 --> 00:19:26,240 Speaker 8: So we lost several days of looking for Amy early on. 305 00:19:27,040 --> 00:19:31,439 Speaker 1: Okay, back to you, Brian Fitzgibbons. That is brutal. Did 306 00:19:31,520 --> 00:19:33,879 Speaker 1: you hear what Dave Matt from Crime Stories just said? 307 00:19:34,800 --> 00:19:38,960 Speaker 1: Days were lost, days were lost searching the wrong area. 308 00:19:41,240 --> 00:19:45,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, a no missing person's case is perfect. So information 309 00:19:45,440 --> 00:19:50,440 Speaker 3: comes to light, you know, sometimes hours, sometimes many days 310 00:19:51,400 --> 00:19:54,679 Speaker 3: after the initial report that a person's gone missing. And 311 00:19:54,720 --> 00:19:58,640 Speaker 3: in this case, it sounds like that surveillance video came 312 00:19:58,680 --> 00:20:02,960 Speaker 3: in late after the fact and investigators had to refocus 313 00:20:03,040 --> 00:20:06,719 Speaker 3: their efforts. Now, what I will say is from an 314 00:20:06,760 --> 00:20:12,440 Speaker 3: immediate sense, investigators would be, you know, doing the victimology 315 00:20:12,480 --> 00:20:16,360 Speaker 3: on Amy. What were her normal patterns? Was this out 316 00:20:16,359 --> 00:20:18,800 Speaker 3: of the ordinary for her to walk in Diamond Park? 317 00:20:19,200 --> 00:20:21,399 Speaker 3: Was it ordinary for her to leave her cell phone 318 00:20:21,480 --> 00:20:24,560 Speaker 3: behind when hiking and going for a walk. Those are 319 00:20:24,560 --> 00:20:27,120 Speaker 3: things that would have happened regardless of where those searches 320 00:20:27,119 --> 00:20:31,000 Speaker 3: were taking place, but no doubt crucial time was lost. 321 00:20:31,440 --> 00:20:33,640 Speaker 3: Amy hilliart and she is owner and. 322 00:20:35,320 --> 00:20:35,359 Speaker 1: Co. 323 00:20:36,560 --> 00:20:39,560 Speaker 3: Which has been greatly expanded to my viewers about the searching. 324 00:20:40,040 --> 00:20:43,600 Speaker 11: We took over Subway, which is always good for local 325 00:20:43,720 --> 00:20:48,200 Speaker 11: independent business, to take over Shane and they moved out 326 00:20:48,440 --> 00:20:50,720 Speaker 11: in the end of September, and we thought this is 327 00:20:50,760 --> 00:20:53,399 Speaker 11: the opportunity we've been looking for for years and years, 328 00:20:54,200 --> 00:20:57,080 Speaker 11: so we expanded into the news space. We have a 329 00:20:57,119 --> 00:21:01,200 Speaker 11: proper hitchen, we're to ignore food, and we have more 330 00:21:01,240 --> 00:21:03,879 Speaker 11: space for community, which is what we're really excited about. 331 00:21:04,160 --> 00:21:06,000 Speaker 1: From Zenny sixty two YouTube. 332 00:21:06,359 --> 00:21:10,200 Speaker 2: Oakland mom Amy Hilliard disappears after leaving home without her 333 00:21:10,240 --> 00:21:13,520 Speaker 2: cell phone. She was last seen near Lake Merritt, Her 334 00:21:13,560 --> 00:21:16,320 Speaker 2: family and authorities urgently seeking information. 335 00:21:17,040 --> 00:21:19,760 Speaker 1: The search goes on tonight for a missing coffee shop 336 00:21:19,840 --> 00:21:25,880 Speaker 1: owner Amy Hilliard, the mom of beautiful daughters now begging 337 00:21:26,080 --> 00:21:31,320 Speaker 1: for their mom's return. Where is Amy joining us an 338 00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:35,320 Speaker 1: all star panel? You know, it's very disturbing Joe Indieva's 339 00:21:35,359 --> 00:21:39,200 Speaker 1: high profile criminal defense attorney joining us out of this jurisdiction. 340 00:21:39,720 --> 00:21:42,040 Speaker 1: I don't know if you're familiar with Diamond Park, or 341 00:21:42,240 --> 00:21:45,960 Speaker 1: how it's just minutes away from Oakland, not far at all, 342 00:21:46,119 --> 00:21:51,840 Speaker 1: which has one of the highest crime rates in the country. Oakland, 343 00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:57,480 Speaker 1: California horrific crime rates. Do we think that this park 344 00:21:57,560 --> 00:22:01,160 Speaker 1: is in a vacuum. It's literally a few minutes away 345 00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:08,919 Speaker 1: from downtown Oakland, So crime doesn't know jurisdictional boundaries. Crime 346 00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:12,040 Speaker 1: can go from inner city out to the suburbs, or 347 00:22:12,119 --> 00:22:15,359 Speaker 1: everybody thinks they're safe to this park. Just like with 348 00:22:15,520 --> 00:22:19,600 Speaker 1: Rachel Morin minding her own business, a mom of five, 349 00:22:20,119 --> 00:22:24,120 Speaker 1: she's dead off of a hiking trail. So what can 350 00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:28,280 Speaker 1: you tell me? Joanna Nievis, you practice law all over 351 00:22:28,320 --> 00:22:31,280 Speaker 1: the state of California, you're based in Oakland. What can 352 00:22:31,320 --> 00:22:32,960 Speaker 1: you tell me about the area? 353 00:22:34,520 --> 00:22:37,320 Speaker 10: Yeah, I think one thing to consider is it's one 354 00:22:37,359 --> 00:22:40,199 Speaker 10: of those places where you're going to find more seclusion 355 00:22:40,280 --> 00:22:43,440 Speaker 10: and sometimes the opportunity is more ripe when there's less 356 00:22:43,520 --> 00:22:46,639 Speaker 10: hustle and bustle, less people around and moving. You know, 357 00:22:46,680 --> 00:22:48,760 Speaker 10: when we're talking about a property crime and there's a 358 00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:52,160 Speaker 10: lot going on easy in and out in downtown Oakland, right, 359 00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:55,600 Speaker 10: that's a go to crime. You can't get away from it. 360 00:22:55,680 --> 00:22:59,359 Speaker 10: But if we're thinking about somebody who may potentially have 361 00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:02,399 Speaker 10: been abducted or harmed in some way. Sometimes when you 362 00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:05,520 Speaker 10: get them in a more remote, remote area, like we're 363 00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:09,879 Speaker 10: talking about a part that, yes, it's accessible to the community, 364 00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:13,119 Speaker 10: but there is these portions of it where you have 365 00:23:13,280 --> 00:23:17,280 Speaker 10: that privacy and seclusion that may be more opportune for 366 00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:19,920 Speaker 10: somebody that is looking to cause harm. 367 00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:25,639 Speaker 1: Diamond Park in Oakland is located near Fruitfulle and also 368 00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:30,080 Speaker 1: the Laurel District. It's part of a city with a 369 00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:36,000 Speaker 1: horrible crime rate. You've got a one and eleven chance 370 00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:41,440 Speaker 1: of becoming a crime victim in Oakland. Now, the Diamond 371 00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:47,280 Speaker 1: District is situated in essentral Oakland, and that's considered more 372 00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:51,280 Speaker 1: moderate in safety compared to other high risk corridors in 373 00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:58,119 Speaker 1: West and deep East Oakland, but still still very high 374 00:23:58,359 --> 00:24:01,760 Speaker 1: crime rate. And you know, go to doctor Rachel Tols 375 00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:06,240 Speaker 1: joining us. I believe when people, for instance, go on vacation, 376 00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:09,280 Speaker 1: they're on a cruise ship, they're in one of those 377 00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:13,800 Speaker 1: all inclusive resorts, they think they're safe because you choose 378 00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:17,359 Speaker 1: to believe you're in this safety bubble everything's going to 379 00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:20,399 Speaker 1: be okay. Much the same thing when people go to 380 00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:26,960 Speaker 1: these beautiful but heavily wooded forests, parks, they see the 381 00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:34,320 Speaker 1: children's playground and that automatically signals safe. They see lighting, 382 00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:39,840 Speaker 1: they see surveillance cams, and that signals safety. I'm safe, 383 00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:46,359 Speaker 1: and they let their guard down. And really, doctor, doctor Rachel, 384 00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:50,200 Speaker 1: why not. You cannot live in a constant state of 385 00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:55,600 Speaker 1: fear and agitation. But this feeling, this false sense of security, 386 00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:56,640 Speaker 1: is misplaced. 387 00:24:57,840 --> 00:25:00,959 Speaker 9: I completely agree, and I think that that is exactly 388 00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:04,720 Speaker 9: what happens in cases like these. We often see people thinking, well, 389 00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:06,639 Speaker 9: I just want to walk in nature, so maybe I 390 00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:08,640 Speaker 9: will leave my cell phone at home because I want 391 00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:11,280 Speaker 9: to unplug, so I'll just go into the kind of 392 00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:14,280 Speaker 9: a denser area. But of course that's not wise because 393 00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:17,320 Speaker 9: it puts you at risk. And then of course we 394 00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:21,080 Speaker 9: hear that she has this undisclosed medical condition. So if 395 00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:23,879 Speaker 9: she's then vulnerable for that reason or any other reason, 396 00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:25,480 Speaker 9: that's of course increasing the risk. 397 00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:29,359 Speaker 1: You know, that's curious, Dave mac. We hear she has 398 00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:33,840 Speaker 1: some sort of a medical condition, and it's making the 399 00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:39,840 Speaker 1: family even more concerned. Is it diabetes? Have you heard? 400 00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:41,720 Speaker 1: Do you know what the condition is? 401 00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:45,240 Speaker 8: No, we have only been told that she has a 402 00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:49,200 Speaker 8: medical condition, but there has been no definition of what 403 00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:49,679 Speaker 8: that is. 404 00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:53,199 Speaker 6: There's no descriptions of what it could possibly be. 405 00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:57,640 Speaker 8: Just that it is a condition that requires attention. 406 00:25:58,119 --> 00:26:01,400 Speaker 6: That's it, and that's why they elevated dessert. 407 00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:12,760 Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace. Could you explain to me, 408 00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:21,520 Speaker 1: doctor Rachel told why people suspend concerns for self safety 409 00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:24,880 Speaker 1: when they go on hikes, when they're jogging, or when 410 00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:28,120 Speaker 1: they're in for instance, a we call it part like this, 411 00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:31,520 Speaker 1: what everybody does it? I do it, and I certainly 412 00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:32,040 Speaker 1: know better. 413 00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:35,080 Speaker 9: I think you actually nailed it when you said that 414 00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:37,840 Speaker 9: people can't live in a constant state of fear and 415 00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:40,040 Speaker 9: looking over their shoulder. And of course, us women, we 416 00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:42,119 Speaker 9: are doing it all the time. From the time that 417 00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:44,919 Speaker 9: we basically come out of the womb. We're constantly scanning 418 00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:48,760 Speaker 9: our environments, and that hypervigilance is not healthy. I mean, 419 00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:50,919 Speaker 9: we know that stress is the number one killer. We 420 00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:54,240 Speaker 9: just shouldn't be in that state. And the idea of 421 00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:57,400 Speaker 9: being able to go in nature and take a breath 422 00:26:57,440 --> 00:27:01,800 Speaker 9: and believe the fantasy that we're all just safe once 423 00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:05,840 Speaker 9: we enter the woods, I mean, it's a nice theory, 424 00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:08,479 Speaker 9: but it does put us at risk, and especially if 425 00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:10,760 Speaker 9: we've decided to not take our cell phones. 426 00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:15,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm just wondering if she had her cell phone, 427 00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:16,359 Speaker 1: Dave Mack, do we know? 428 00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:19,320 Speaker 6: Yeah, we know that she did not have her cell phone. 429 00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:28,160 Speaker 1: Nancy, Okay, I get it. I get it, Doctor Rachel Toles. 430 00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:33,000 Speaker 1: We're told all the time to unplug. I was just 431 00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:38,119 Speaker 1: complaining last night that I'm constantly being text and called, 432 00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:42,560 Speaker 1: I mean twenty four to seven, and it never fails. 433 00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:45,480 Speaker 1: And when I see it pop up, I think almost stars. 434 00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:46,960 Speaker 1: Is that about a crime victim? Is that about a 435 00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:49,400 Speaker 1: case that we're investigating. I have to pick it up. 436 00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:53,320 Speaker 1: But it's constant. So we're told all the time, unplugged, 437 00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:57,879 Speaker 1: unwind or you'll have a stroke. But going into a park, 438 00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:00,720 Speaker 1: I would think that you would have your phone with you. 439 00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:03,240 Speaker 1: I don't know if it's one of her regular practices 440 00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:07,320 Speaker 1: to go without a phone, but I'm very disheartened because 441 00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:12,480 Speaker 1: that's really cutting the odds of finding her quickly by 442 00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:13,359 Speaker 1: more than half. 443 00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:17,159 Speaker 9: Yeah, and I think that the fact that, from what 444 00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:19,840 Speaker 9: I understand, the park is quite close to her home. 445 00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:22,520 Speaker 9: I have a feeling. Of course, we don't know yet, 446 00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:25,720 Speaker 9: but it was maybe a routine, and you get into 447 00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:28,600 Speaker 9: a routine with your daily practice, and maybe you do. 448 00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:30,480 Speaker 9: You just think, oh, I've done this a million times, 449 00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:32,600 Speaker 9: I'm just gonna leave the phone, I'm going to go, 450 00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:34,720 Speaker 9: and you just kind of get into that and then 451 00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:37,800 Speaker 9: all of a sudden you're in a real bad situation. 452 00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:41,160 Speaker 9: So I really highly recommend that people take their phones 453 00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:44,240 Speaker 9: and if they, you know, just just put them in 454 00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:45,920 Speaker 9: your pocket or in your purse or whatever. But just 455 00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:49,640 Speaker 9: have it with you because otherwise you can go missing 456 00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:50,959 Speaker 9: and it'll be very hard to find you. 457 00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:58,200 Speaker 1: Brian Fitzgibbons, there is a hiking trail through Diamond Canyon 458 00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:03,840 Speaker 1: within Diamond Park that opens up a whole another can 459 00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:08,120 Speaker 1: of worms for searchers. Explain it's rugged terrain. 460 00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:15,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, this is very densely forested, rugged terrain, you know, 461 00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:19,520 Speaker 3: which adds some complexity of this because in that type 462 00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:24,480 Speaker 3: of terrain, the likelihood of someone hearing or seeing something, 463 00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:31,360 Speaker 3: you know, another hiker on the trail reduces greatly, right, 464 00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:35,320 Speaker 3: because of the dense vegetation, because of the canyons, the 465 00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:40,040 Speaker 3: terrain features. And then naturally a lot of hikers and 466 00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:44,400 Speaker 3: runners are wearing headphones in twenty twenty six, you know, 467 00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:47,760 Speaker 3: they're listening to a podcast, listening to music as they run. 468 00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:52,520 Speaker 3: So the further away from that recreation area that Amy walked, 469 00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:55,960 Speaker 3: if she potentially did head to the north, the more 470 00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:57,400 Speaker 3: difficult this search will be. 471 00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:02,480 Speaker 1: What can you tell me about the recreation area, Dave 472 00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:08,520 Speaker 1: mac because that involves parking, that involves people driving in 473 00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:10,960 Speaker 1: and out. If she was taken out in a vehicle, 474 00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:15,360 Speaker 1: nobody would think a thing of it. What's the recreation facility? 475 00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:18,920 Speaker 8: Well, you know you mentioned the area for children to play. 476 00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:21,680 Speaker 8: That's what they're talking about with the recreational From there 477 00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:23,560 Speaker 8: you go pictures like that of you see in a 478 00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:26,000 Speaker 8: park that actually, to be honest with you, Nancy, when 479 00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:28,440 Speaker 8: you see things like this for children to play on 480 00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:32,080 Speaker 8: in basketball goals and tennis courts and swimming pool, all 481 00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:35,480 Speaker 8: you think are family related activities and a very safe place. 482 00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:38,760 Speaker 8: It's also mean you see the woods well creates a 483 00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:41,480 Speaker 8: lot of hiding spots. Now you mentioned parking. This is 484 00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:44,880 Speaker 8: right off MacArthur Boulevard, which is a major thoroughfare heading 485 00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:49,480 Speaker 8: straight into downtown Oakland, and you can get on MacArthur 486 00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:52,200 Speaker 8: and be gone in a matter of minutes. 487 00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:52,600 Speaker 1: Nancy. 488 00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:56,240 Speaker 8: So yes, this is a park that has a lot 489 00:30:56,320 --> 00:31:00,600 Speaker 8: of things for children, families, to do activities sports like that, 490 00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:05,320 Speaker 8: and it is easy access from MacArthur Boulevard, which gives 491 00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:07,840 Speaker 8: you a lot of things to consider when looking for 492 00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:09,080 Speaker 8: someone like Amy Hilliard. 493 00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:12,280 Speaker 7: Maybe someone will see her, or has seen her, or 494 00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:17,320 Speaker 7: has a ring camera video that has recorded her in 495 00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:19,640 Speaker 7: the last couple of days and doesn't know it. But 496 00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:22,120 Speaker 7: if they just take a look at that recording, they 497 00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:26,320 Speaker 7: might see that she was on that camera walking on Wednesday, 498 00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:28,960 Speaker 7: March twenty fifth when she went missing, and they might 499 00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:30,600 Speaker 7: be able to give us the lead that will help 500 00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:31,200 Speaker 7: us find her. 501 00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:36,960 Speaker 2: From kpix, Amy Hilliard classified as an at risk missing person, 502 00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:40,880 Speaker 2: as customers and employees say, her sudden disappearance is completely 503 00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:43,240 Speaker 2: out of character and deeply concerning. 504 00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:51,360 Speaker 1: Evidence of routine, routine evidence. And I don't mean standard stereotypical, 505 00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:55,520 Speaker 1: run of the mill evidence roots routine. I mean evidence 506 00:31:55,640 --> 00:32:00,560 Speaker 1: of her routine. She has never not shown own up 507 00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:07,840 Speaker 1: to work, highly uncharacteristic. She co owned a very popular 508 00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:13,160 Speaker 1: coffee shop in Oakland, Farley's. They're at a loss. She's 509 00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:16,800 Speaker 1: never done this before. What does that mean to you, 510 00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:17,800 Speaker 1: doctor Rachel? 511 00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:22,680 Speaker 9: I mean, well, I'm sure you probably know this, but 512 00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:26,360 Speaker 9: the coffee shop itself was named after I believe Chris, 513 00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:30,760 Speaker 9: the husband's great grandfather who went missing. That's a fact 514 00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:32,800 Speaker 9: that is just also eerie. 515 00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:35,600 Speaker 1: I know that. I know that it didn't bring it 516 00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:38,280 Speaker 1: up because I don't find it relevant to her search, 517 00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:42,000 Speaker 1: But it is an odd coincidence. In fact, Dave and 518 00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:44,280 Speaker 1: I were talking about that right before we went to 519 00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:47,920 Speaker 1: air tonight, So Dave go ahead and explain that. Do 520 00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:50,720 Speaker 1: I think it's relevant here? No, I do not, but 521 00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:51,760 Speaker 1: it is odd. 522 00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:55,160 Speaker 8: This is one of those stories that's handed down by 523 00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:58,280 Speaker 8: the family Nancy. Again, not a lot of documentation back 524 00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:01,320 Speaker 8: in nineteen twenty as to what to place, but the 525 00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:05,600 Speaker 8: story of the grandfather going missing, just vanishing into thin 526 00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:09,400 Speaker 8: air and nobody hearing from him again sparked enough interest 527 00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:12,520 Speaker 8: in this family, passing the story down to the point 528 00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:17,720 Speaker 8: where this entire company, Farley's Coffee is named after a 529 00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:18,719 Speaker 8: man who went missing. 530 00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:21,800 Speaker 12: She's the lynchpin in a lot of our relationships. She's 531 00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:26,000 Speaker 12: the lynchpin at her coffee shop. She has fed hundreds, 532 00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:28,520 Speaker 12: if not thousands, of people through her coffee shop. 533 00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:29,600 Speaker 1: So this is shocking. 534 00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:31,520 Speaker 10: I don't know what's happening. 535 00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:32,320 Speaker 1: We want her home. 536 00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:35,480 Speaker 9: She loves her family, especially her two girls. 537 00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:39,840 Speaker 10: She loves her business, her employees. She is very passionate 538 00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:41,040 Speaker 10: in everything she does. 539 00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:47,120 Speaker 1: From our friends at k TVU and kg oh, okay, Fitzgibbons, 540 00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:51,800 Speaker 1: what are authorities doing right now? For one thing, I'm 541 00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:54,840 Speaker 1: sure they're speaking to everybody in the family, including the husband. 542 00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:58,400 Speaker 1: Let me just say up front, Faith Gibbons, do not 543 00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:03,880 Speaker 1: show up on his front with a torch and a pitchfork. No, 544 00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:10,800 Speaker 1: there is no reason to suspect him. However, that's where 545 00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:14,520 Speaker 1: police will start. But also we know she left her 546 00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:18,279 Speaker 1: home alone, so I'm sure the first thing they did 547 00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:22,200 Speaker 1: was make sure his phone wasn't also at Diamond Park 548 00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:26,160 Speaker 1: and get his alibi. Sop. That does not make him 549 00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:27,520 Speaker 1: a person of interest or a. 550 00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:33,000 Speaker 3: Suspect, correct, And you know it's natural for investigators to 551 00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:37,440 Speaker 3: begin with family and close friends business partners for the 552 00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:41,120 Speaker 3: simple fact that Amy spent the majority of her time 553 00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:44,279 Speaker 3: and had the majority of her communications with them, so 554 00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:48,399 Speaker 3: they can learn the most about Amy and her routines. 555 00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:52,400 Speaker 3: Any problems she was facing. Were there financial issues with 556 00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:57,120 Speaker 3: the business, Was there some kind of threat perceived or 557 00:34:57,239 --> 00:35:01,399 Speaker 3: real that she was under at the time. And it's 558 00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:03,959 Speaker 3: important to note that investigators are on the same side 559 00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:07,240 Speaker 3: of the table as the family. In these opening weeks, 560 00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:12,919 Speaker 3: everybody's all in to find Amy here and identifying these 561 00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:16,920 Speaker 3: routines and patterns, getting deep on that cell phone and 562 00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:22,160 Speaker 3: the communications that's happening now, and then as the days 563 00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:26,200 Speaker 3: go on, they're going to expand that canvas into the neighborhood, 564 00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:31,400 Speaker 3: knocking on doors, old school investigative work to get information 565 00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:32,800 Speaker 3: and potentially video. 566 00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:40,839 Speaker 1: Speaking of habit and routine, I'm wondering was it her 567 00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:44,360 Speaker 1: routine to go to Diamond Park to go for walks. 568 00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:47,680 Speaker 1: I'm wondering because when you step out of Farley's, from 569 00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:50,520 Speaker 1: what I can see, you're right on a busy street 570 00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:53,000 Speaker 1: with a lot of red lights, so you don't get 571 00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:56,720 Speaker 1: very much exercise in. I'm wondering if that was part 572 00:35:56,920 --> 00:36:01,560 Speaker 1: of her routine, Which changes things because it seems that 573 00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:04,160 Speaker 1: people are questioning why did she go to the park, 574 00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:06,520 Speaker 1: Why was she there alone? Why did she not have 575 00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:09,600 Speaker 1: her phone? As if somehow it's her fault. For all 576 00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:13,960 Speaker 1: I know, this may be her regular workout schedule. Do 577 00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:17,320 Speaker 1: we know anything at all, Dave Mack about her regular 578 00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:18,360 Speaker 1: workout routine? 579 00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:23,279 Speaker 8: We do Nancy Lake Merritt is very close to Nancy's home. 580 00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:26,520 Speaker 8: We're talking half mile, and that was the location where 581 00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:31,040 Speaker 8: Nancy would regularly walk, oftentimes with her dog. So Lake 582 00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:33,560 Speaker 8: Merritt was where the search was focused, as it is 583 00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:35,759 Speaker 8: right there in the neighborhood. Now when it comes to 584 00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:39,000 Speaker 8: Diamond Park, not so much, she didn't. It was a 585 00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:42,040 Speaker 8: little bit further away from the house, about four miles, 586 00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:46,520 Speaker 8: not an easy walk to get to and so not convenient, 587 00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:50,520 Speaker 8: not something she regularly did. She did regularly walk in 588 00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:53,800 Speaker 8: Merritt in Lake Merritt, not at Diamond Park. 589 00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:57,560 Speaker 13: The whole thing is heartbreaking and shocking. 590 00:36:57,840 --> 00:36:57,960 Speaker 12: Night. 591 00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:01,239 Speaker 13: Didn't get very much sleep left night. Our least is 592 00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:05,120 Speaker 13: really a very important part of our community. They've really 593 00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:08,840 Speaker 13: networked into the community in a wonderful way that she's 594 00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:12,000 Speaker 13: returned healthy and safe and sound. 595 00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:14,880 Speaker 12: We've been friends for the least in the last twenty 596 00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:18,040 Speaker 12: five years. She's important in my life. She's an aunt 597 00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:21,240 Speaker 12: to my children. Her husband and my husband are best friends. 598 00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:23,480 Speaker 12: They went to college together. She's one of the most 599 00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:26,080 Speaker 12: important people we have in our lives. When you have 600 00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:28,879 Speaker 12: a problem, she's generally the first person that you reach 601 00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:31,719 Speaker 12: out to, which is why tonight it's so important for 602 00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:34,359 Speaker 12: us to all come together and help her and help 603 00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:36,960 Speaker 12: her family in a similar way that they've always helped. 604 00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:40,560 Speaker 1: Us from KTVU and kp i X. You know, I 605 00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:44,799 Speaker 1: join a niavius. A lot of people do not have 606 00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:52,120 Speaker 1: dozens of searchers of volunteers out looking for them. Every 607 00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:56,280 Speaker 1: one of these close friends need to speak to police 608 00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:58,279 Speaker 1: and undergo forensic interviews. 609 00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:01,920 Speaker 10: Why because who she was speaking to, the nature of 610 00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:07,440 Speaker 10: the relationship she had, the background about her dynamics in 611 00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:11,560 Speaker 10: the community is so critical to giving the law enforcement 612 00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:14,800 Speaker 10: clues about what may or may not may have occurred 613 00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:17,919 Speaker 10: in this situation. You know, she left the cell phone 614 00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:20,799 Speaker 10: at home, but who was the last person she talked to? 615 00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:24,080 Speaker 10: She was gone for two and a half hours on 616 00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:26,439 Speaker 10: a Wednesday, in the middle of the day when most 617 00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:28,560 Speaker 10: people might be picking their kids up from school. So 618 00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:30,719 Speaker 10: who did she have in her life that would help 619 00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:33,640 Speaker 10: with those type of things? Did she often take time 620 00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:38,560 Speaker 10: away from the coffee shop to go on these long excursions? 621 00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:41,759 Speaker 10: And all of her community members who really know her 622 00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:43,880 Speaker 10: are going to help paint that picture so that the 623 00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:47,080 Speaker 10: police don't get tunnel vision just going down one avenue, 624 00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:49,640 Speaker 10: but they're able to take that aggregated and make a 625 00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:53,120 Speaker 10: conscious decision about where to target that investigation. 626 00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:56,120 Speaker 11: We have a great window see where we have a 627 00:38:56,160 --> 00:39:01,520 Speaker 11: knitting group on Tuesdays and looking forward for all of 628 00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:04,120 Speaker 11: the community enjoy it more hours of the day and 629 00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:05,080 Speaker 11: on weekend long. 630 00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:06,240 Speaker 9: It's not expression. 631 00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:08,239 Speaker 1: It's just that I'm eating one of the great sandwiches. 632 00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:11,760 Speaker 1: So you have a pull of books. 633 00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:18,320 Speaker 6: So thirty three Grand Air three, Yeah, Grand Avenue and 634 00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:19,800 Speaker 6: Oakland come and visits. 635 00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:21,319 Speaker 13: Yeah, you're welcome here. 636 00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:29,040 Speaker 1: That's from Zenny sixty two, a vlogger, Zenny Abraham. Wait 637 00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:33,280 Speaker 1: a minute, you know everything about victimology is not fitting 638 00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:39,240 Speaker 1: in Brian Fitzgibbons. She hosts a knitting group on Tuesdays 639 00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:45,319 Speaker 1: at her coffee shop. This is not high risk activity. 640 00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:49,799 Speaker 1: This is not like she's looking for thrills in downtown 641 00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:54,279 Speaker 1: Oakland after midnight. She's not a drug user, she's not 642 00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:57,920 Speaker 1: an addict, she doesn't have a drinking problem. She's not 643 00:39:58,040 --> 00:40:04,239 Speaker 1: prone to high risk activity. This is very, very aberrant, 644 00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:07,240 Speaker 1: very odd fitz Gibbons. 645 00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:10,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, and this is also somebody, as you said, you know, 646 00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:14,200 Speaker 3: runs a knitting circle on Tuesday nights, owns a business 647 00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:19,200 Speaker 3: with employees, It's deeply connected to the community, participates in 648 00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:25,759 Speaker 3: a number of community based nonprofits. This is not someone 649 00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:30,320 Speaker 3: who typically would leave on their own volition, which makes 650 00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:36,280 Speaker 3: this all the more concerning. Her disappearance in broad daylight. 651 00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:41,319 Speaker 3: You know now on a week a week has gone by. 652 00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:44,799 Speaker 3: This is very, very concerning victimology. 653 00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:50,280 Speaker 1: If you know or think you know anything about Amy 654 00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:57,800 Speaker 1: Hilliard's startling disappearance, please dial Oakland PD five one zero 655 00:40:58,040 --> 00:41:03,680 Speaker 1: two three eight three four one repeat five one zero, two, 656 00:41:03,719 --> 00:41:09,960 Speaker 1: three eight three six four one. We remember an American 657 00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:15,560 Speaker 1: hero Trooper, Chad Walker, Texas Department Public Safety, shot dead 658 00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:20,000 Speaker 1: in the line of duty, leaving behind a wife turned 659 00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:26,680 Speaker 1: widow and four children sentenced to life without dad. American 660 00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:33,000 Speaker 1: hero Trooper Chad Walker. Nancy Grace signing off goodbye, f